[01:09] <rww> Hola. ConcreteRose has been in and out of #ubuntu a couple of times over the last hour spouting gibberish. Might be worth keeping an eye out for him.
[01:38] <elky> funkyHat, the content is touchy on more than just the "mocking kiddie prons" level. what they describe is being genuinely proposed in places. Here in .au for example
[01:40] <IdleOne> funkyHat: child porn is not something to be joked about. imho
[01:40] <IdleOne> clean content or not
[01:40] <funkyHat> IdleOne: that wasn't the subject of the joke, but I agree
[01:40] <elky> IdleOne, you need to watch the vid to understand
[01:41] <IdleOne> link me in private please. we don't need it logged
[01:41] <IdleOne> thank you
[01:43]  * funkyHat facepalms
[01:44] <txwikinger> nhandler: how do I get to be OP in ##fix_your_connection ?
[01:45] <IdleOne> funkyHat: you should be face palming lol
[01:45]  * funkyHat stabs putty repeatedly
[01:45] <IdleOne> umm well the site/video itself is not bad in any way except for the filtering and blocking websites thing that I don't agree with
[01:46] <IdleOne> I think we need more education and less policing
[01:46] <IdleOne> just my 2.5 cents
[01:47] <funkyHat> IdleOne: it's a spoof
[01:47] <elky> IdleOne, ok, so in places where these blocking lists are being proposed, the response to criticism from the powerhungry pollies trying to set them up is "You are a supporter of kiddie prons"
[01:48] <IdleOne> elky: well that is a stretch of logic
[01:48] <IdleOne> heh
[01:48] <IdleOne> but yeah of course anytime someone disagrees they are going to go to extremes
[01:49] <funkyHat> Yeah, I think I should have said something at the time
[01:49] <funkyHat> (and not pasted it all over the channel just now -_-)
[01:50] <IdleOne> I don't think the Gov in Canada should of raised registration fees on motorcyles, that means I support biker gangs!
[01:50] <funkyHat> irssi normally questions me if I accidentally paste a whole load of crap :(
[01:50] <IdleOne> funkyHat: fail for rellying on app to save you :P
[01:51] <funkyHat> IdleOne: I wasn't :( I don't normally use putty
[01:51] <funkyHat> Accidentally highlighted and it has weird mouse button actions
[01:51] <IdleOne> ehh it happens
[01:51] <funkyHat> I've changed them now
[01:52] <IdleOne> I did something similar with a convo from #ubuntu-women (not logged) to #ubuntu-women-project (logged) :(
[01:53] <funkyHat> oops
[01:53] <IdleOne> yeah
[01:53] <IdleOne> ohh with sound the video makes more sense
[01:54] <IdleOne> I understand the spoof now
[02:00] <IdleOne> not sure about ConcreteRose and if they are a troll
[02:00] <IdleOne> but I think so
[02:02] <IdleOne> can someone keep an eye on ConcreteRose. I need to run out to the store
[02:03] <txwikinger> IdleOne: I can.. but I am not an op in the channel
[02:04] <elky> self solved
[02:04] <IdleOne> ok they are gone but will probably be back
[02:04] <IdleOne> be back soon
[02:04] <txwikinger> :)
[02:08] <nhandler> txwikinger: Become freenode staff ;)
[02:08] <txwikinger> nhandler: :)
[02:08] <txwikinger> ok one step after the other :)
[02:08] <txwikinger> I don't need it anyway... the docu on freenode is false
[02:11] <nhandler> ???
[02:19] <txwikinger> nhandler: it says you can only ban-forward if you are op in the channel to be forwarded to
[02:19] <nhandler> txwikinger: ##fix_your_connection has channel mode +F
[02:19] <txwikinger> Ah
[02:19] <txwikinger> how can you see that?
[02:20] <nhandler> /mode ##fix_your_connection
[02:30] <dhanesh> bazhang i was banned from #ubuntu why
[02:31] <dhanesh> i want to discuss some problems
[02:32] <IdleOne> could of waited more then 15 seconds
[02:32] <nhandler> Yep
[02:33] <txwikinger> not important enough :)
[02:34] <IdleOne> banned for ban evading
[02:35] <bazhang> actually for spoofing two other users and using some bot-like repeater script
[02:35] <bazhang> Dr_Willis1 and greekphreak
[02:36] <bazhang> magrath, dhanesh hi
[02:37] <magrath> i was banned from ubuntu why
[02:37] <bazhang> for spoofing two other users, and using some kind of repeat script
[02:37] <IdleOne> ban evading also
[02:38] <bazhang> then you ban evaded at least a couple of times magrath
[02:38] <magrath> no no i didnt remember please retake me iam sorry
[02:38] <bazhang> magrath, sure you did, there are logs of it
[02:39] <magrath> because nobody is answering my question thats why
[02:39] <bazhang> !coc | magrath read this please
[02:39] <bazhang> !guidelines | magrath read this too, please
[02:39] <magrath> oh i see
[02:40] <bazhang> magrath, please read both of those links, in their entirety
[02:40] <magrath> yes i read
[02:40] <magrath> i know that please retake me
[02:40] <bazhang> magrath, take your time, click the links and read them please
[02:40] <magrath> iam sorry please
[02:41] <bazhang> magrath, that's fine, we will wait for you to read them
[02:42] <bazhang> ugh
[02:42] <txwikinger> that sounded like my son :)
[02:43] <IdleOne> guess we continue to ban until he figures out how to renew ip
[02:43] <IdleOne> ?
[02:43] <txwikinger> Don't give them ideas :)
[02:50] <IdleOne> sowwy
[02:50]  * IdleOne types /clear
[02:50] <IdleOne> there it is gone :P
[03:00] <txwikinger> what is gone? :p
[03:27] <IdleOne> Pici: guess HE understood lol
[03:29] <Pici> !ping
[05:02] <mneptok> IdleOne: did you just use "lol" in -ops?
[05:02]  * mneptok sighs
[05:02] <IdleOne> just now?
[05:02] <mneptok> 20:27 <+IdleOne> Pici: guess HE understood lol
[05:02] <IdleOne> oh yeah but I didn't use just lol
[05:03]  * IdleOne curtails his use of lol 
[05:03] <mneptok> IMO, using "lol" and "roflmao" and such in -ops is like farting in church
[05:03] <mneptok> ;)
[05:03] <IdleOne> funny!
[05:04] <IdleOne> lots of times it's the preist himself
[05:04]  * mneptok is teasing. well ... kinda.
[05:04] <IdleOne>  priest
[05:06] <pleia2> mneptok: lol
[05:06] <pleia2> (just sayin')
[05:07] <IdleOne> thank you pleia2
[05:07] <IdleOne> U rock!
[05:07] <IdleOne> hah
[05:07] <IdleOne> see what I did there mneptok
[05:10] <mneptok> hcilshitjf
[05:10] <elky> exceptions permitted for mocking lollersk8z and roflcopters?
[05:10] <mneptok> (holy crap i'm laughing so hard i totally just farted)
[05:11] <elky> um ah, you swore
[05:12] <IdleOne> that has to be just as bad as using lol
[05:12] <IdleOne> actually twice
[05:12] <IdleOne> heh
[05:13] <IdleOne> hcilshitjf
[05:20] <mneptok> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQ7QmLd2eVg
[05:21] <mneptok> my colleague an i try to work the "ITJF" acronym into slides at conferences :)
[05:21] <mneptok> *and
[05:22] <elky> if you have to try, then you're choosing the wrong topics :P
[05:23] <elky> just pick a topic that lets you depict unruly users or something.
[05:24] <mneptok> the trick is to incorporate it meaningfully into the actual topic
[05:25] <mneptok> * Immediate drop-in replacement for MySQL
[05:25] <mneptok> * Thread pools added in MariaDB 5.1
[05:25] <mneptok> * Join selects supported in 5.2
[05:26] <mneptok> * Free Software, GPLv2
[05:26] <mneptok> ;)
[05:26] <elky> I'm pretty sure I could get it in any of those topics.
[05:26] <mneptok> look at the bullet points. ;)
[05:27] <elky> ah, heh
[05:27] <elky> you're going way too subtle
[05:36] <mneptok> OK, off to bed, then flying tomorrow for 10 days in the Dominican Republic. i'll be (mostly) unavailable.
[05:37] <mneptok> enjoy (ahem) release day
[05:37] <mneptok> :/
[05:48] <IdleOne> mneptok: have a good trip
[07:38] <Tm_T> K'day
[12:23] <elky> ooh, it looks like google fixed their apt repo. it doesn't take half a day to get headers anymore
[12:25] <funkyHat> Giving google root access on my box is something I'm just not quite comfortable enough with
[12:27] <Mamarok> root access? I don't think you give it root access by dowloading stuff...
[12:27] <Mamarok> the traffic is in one direction only
[12:27] <funkyHat> Mamarok: deb packages can run stuff as root during installation
[12:29] <Mamarok> well, then only download the stuff and install offline
[12:30] <persia> Rather, packages *do* run stuff as root during installtion.  It's not just "can"
[12:31] <funkyHat> persia: no, it is *can*. dpkg runs as root, but packages can also provde preinst and postinst scripts if they need to
[12:31] <persia> Mamarok: How does that help?  To give an extreme example, consider that I package a forkbomb, and you download forkbomb.deb, and then disconnect, and then install, and your system goes down.
[12:31] <funkyHat> If they aren't there the package contents are just extracted to the filesystem
[12:31] <persia> funkyHat: It's a very rare package that has no maintainer scripts these days, due to wide adoption of debhelper.
[12:32] <persia> But yeah, there are exceptions.
[12:32] <Mamarok> persia: well, don't use sources you don't trust then
[12:32] <persia> Mamarok: I believe that was the original point :)
[12:32] <funkyHat> Mamarok: which was the point I was making :)
[12:34] <funkyHat> Am I right in thinking the deb for chrome that you download actually adds itself to your sources list too?
[12:35] <funkyHat> I can understand the reason to do that from a usability perspective, but it still seems intrusive
[12:40] <Mamarok> well, I would use the Chromium daily PPA instead, to start with, that gets you code from Launchpad only, and I hope the PPA maintainer knows what s/he is doing
[12:41] <funkyHat> Yes that's what I use
[15:11] <h00k> mornin'
[15:11] <IdleOne> morning h00k
[16:26] <marienz> Hi! a3li just spotted http:/ircanswers.com/, which is (at least partially) logging #ubuntu. Is this a service you opted in to?
[16:33] <IdleOne> marienz: not that I know of
[16:33] <marienz> IdleOne: that's what I thought. We'll probably be klining it in the near future.
[16:34] <IdleOne> but #ubuntu is publicly logged so I don't see any harm
[16:34] <IdleOne> marienz: might want to ask a IRCC member
[16:34] <IdleOne> Pici: ^^^
[16:35] <marienz> it's logging a little more than just #ubuntu, it's not obviously identifiable as a logbot, and I don't think it asked for permission in any of the channels it logs.
[16:36] <IdleOne> freenode afaik is free to allow access to who/what it choses :)
[16:36] <IdleOne> so I guess the final decision lies and you and Staff
[16:36] <jussi> marienz: thanks for the heads up, we will have a look into it.
[16:36] <IdleOne> s/and/on
[16:40] <jussi> marienz: and, no, we havent opted into anything except our own and  irseek iirc.
[16:40] <jussi> Mind, the very fact that those are public, makes it somewhat a moot point, as they could just pull from said pulic logs.
[17:17] <marienz> sure, but I still would've liked them to ask for permission before putting that bot in here
[17:17] <IdleOne> this channel was also logged?
[17:18] <marienz> unless your guidelines mention other logbots are welcome (I didn't check)
[17:18] <IdleOne> then it was surely not approved
[17:18] <marienz> it was logging about 36 channels
[17:18] <marienz> err, no, not #ubuntu-ops :)
[17:19]  * marienz is confusing
[17:19] <IdleOne> Well jussi is on the job now. I am sure he will get back to you with info asap
[17:20] <marienz> I've klined the bot and emailed them, asking them to make it easier to identify as a logbot and to check if it's welcome in the channels it logs.
[17:21] <IdleOne> marienz: take a look at nestea while you are here
[17:21] <IdleOne> oh never mind
[17:51] <jussi> marienz: if its is truly a l log bot, then we are op out of it.
[17:51] <jussi> marienz: what was the bots name?
[17:54] <marienz> jussi: emptyness47 [~emptyness@207-126-122-147.ip.openhosting.com] has quit [K-Lined]
[17:55] <marienz> that resolves to the same ip address ircanswers.com resolves to
[17:55] <jussi> marienz: ahh, excellent. thanks a lot.
[17:56] <marienz> we'll try to keep it klined until it changes its nick to be easier identifiable and its owner confirms with channel ops that it's welcome
[18:00] <jussi> marienz: ok. please let me know of any updates.
[18:01] <marienz> will do
[18:01] <marienz> jussi: #gentoo emailed them to get their content removed from the site, and that was responded to quickly. So if you want the existing content gone you could try that.
[18:01] <marienz> (he hasn't gotten back to me yet, but I mailed them a while after they did)
[18:03] <jussi> marienz: Ill talk about it with the rest of the irc council.
[18:04] <marienz> we may end up requesting they do that for everything they've logged that isn't ok'd.
[18:04] <jussi> marienz: yeah, that might be nice.
[18:19] <guntbert> somehow I messed my editing proposal up
[18:19] <IdleOne> guntbert: re-edit :)
[18:19] <IdleOne> btw gksudo for GUI
[18:20] <guntbert> I wanted to add one sentence to !sudo -(in this case really only sudo :-)) -- best to give it the complete factoid then?
[18:21] <IdleOne> guntbert: sorry what?
[18:22] <guntbert> IdleOne: see above please - what I suggest is addition of the sentence regarding fixsudo
[18:22] <guntbert> sudo
[18:22] <guntbert> !sudo
[18:23] <IdleOne> guntbert: yes I see. it will have to be approved, not sure I can yet or how to
[18:23] <guntbert> IdleOne: no reason to hurry :-) I only wanted to make sure my proposal is understandable
[18:23] <IdleOne> it is
[18:24] <guntbert> ok - see you :-)
[18:24] <IdleOne> later
[18:25] <topyli> IdleOne, bot stuff does not follow operator privileges, it's a separate thing
[18:25] <topyli> we just discussed this with the council, it's a bit complicated :)
[18:28] <IdleOne> topyli: thanks for the info :)
[18:28] <topyli> maybe one day we'll learn to design things from the beginning so that they integrate well :)
[18:28] <IdleOne> topyli: well the edit gets a +1 from me. well written and easy to understand
[18:28] <IdleOne> I mean the link it leads to
[18:28] <topyli> yeah
[18:29] <IdleOne> topyli: good design from the start is something that would make us obsolete
[18:30] <topyli> woohoo! design ftw
[19:12] <jussi> nah, sorry, no way design wil ever replace topyli... or mneptok :P
[19:12] <IdleOne> hehe
[19:12] <IdleOne> ok, the rest of us non perfect beings
[19:13] <topyli> that's a terrible, terrible thought
[19:14] <IdleOne> what is?
[19:14] <topyli> no rest for mneptok, no matter the design :(
[19:14] <IdleOne> that we are not perfect or that you are?
[19:16] <topyli> btw, nefarious is not taking pm very seriously. i have now unmuted him on -ot after a fair warning
[19:17] <IdleOne> topyli: he will be calm for a few minutes until he says an opportunity to break rules again
[19:17] <topyli> then it's time to remove. no more warnings
[19:18] <IdleOne> I asked two times nicely to stop the drug talk
[19:19] <IdleOne> topyli: can you see why Tarantulafudge can't join -offtopic
[19:19] <topyli> @bansearch Tarantulafudge
[19:19] <topyli> grr
[19:20] <Tarantulafudge> grr?
[19:21] <IdleOne> no bans found
[19:21] <IdleOne> what client are you using?
[19:21] <Tarantulafudge> Java Chat Applet @ java.freenode.net
[19:21] <topyli> Tarantulafudge, that grr is not related to you :)
[19:21] <IdleOne> you aren't getting any server notices ?
[19:21] <Tarantulafudge> not a peep
[19:22] <Tarantulafudge> though I can move in and out of other channels without problems
[19:22] <IdleOne> so you issue /join #ubuntu-offtopic and nothing happens?
[19:22] <Tarantulafudge> essentially
[19:22] <IdleOne> got me dude/ette
[19:23] <Tarantulafudge> strange
[19:23] <IdleOne> you aren't banned from what i can see. try a different client perhaps
[19:23] <Tarantulafudge> BRB
[19:25] <Tarantulafudge> haha should have tried this first, thanks
[19:26] <IdleOne> so it was client related?
[19:27] <IdleOne> glad you figured it out.
[19:27] <IdleOne> now if I can ask you not to idle here :)
[19:29] <IdleOne> would be nice if ubottu returned the comment on a ban when doing @bansearch
[19:29] <IdleOne> if there is one
[19:29] <topyli> for the record, nefarious is not being nice to teh topyli in pm :(
[19:30]  * h00k notes this
[19:30] <IdleOne> topyli: figured as much
[19:30] <topyli> he might appear here, i redirected
[19:30] <IdleOne> that is why I mentioned the comment thing
[19:48] <guntbert> ACKT1C seems to be ban evading in #ubuntu
[19:48] <IdleOne> nick?
[19:49] <IdleOne> same nick
[19:49] <IdleOne> nm
[19:49] <guntbert> IdleOne: ACKT1C   (banned by flannel, similar nick)
[19:50] <guntbert> Wed Apr 14 06:58:52 *!*ackt1c@adsl-75-10-*.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net Flannel!~flannel@ubuntu/member/flannel
[19:50] <h00k> guntbert: yes, we have te logs
[19:51] <guntbert> h00k: ok - it was because IdleOne asked
[19:51] <h00k> guntbert: It's alright :)
[19:52] <guntbert> h00k: I'll be off - and thank you all for your effort and suport
[19:52] <h00k> guntbert: thanks for letting us know
[19:52] <IdleOne> thanks guntbert
[19:52] <guntbert> h00k: IdleOne :)
[21:23] <IdleOne> marienz: [sheats] ~sheats@c-98-254-182-201.hsd1.fl.comcast.net in #ubuntu-irc
[21:24] <marienz> IdleOne: that's an identified account. I don't think it is what you think it is, unless I missed something earlier.
[21:25] <IdleOne> marienz:
[21:25] <IdleOne> [16:12:57] <sheats> Hi!   I have a little project I've been working on: http://ircanswers.com/  I have been logging content in #ubuntu for a month or so http://ircanswers.com/ubuntu/ but just realized today that I need to get permission to do so first.
[21:25] <IdleOne> [16:13:07] <sheats> Who can I contact to ask permission?
[21:25] <marienz> ahh
[21:25] <marienz> sorry, got two things mixed up
[21:25] <IdleOne> no problem
[21:26] <IdleOne> he seems to be trying to go the right route now
[23:44] <jpds> @btlogin
[23:44] <jpds> @login
[23:44] <jpds> @btlogin
[23:44] <jpds> Stupid bot.
[23:47] <jpds> ikonia: Brimstones aka baxxor in #ubuntu-devel is calling you "some dick".
[23:47] <jpds> ikonia: ...and he's ban evaded by changing IP in #ubuntu.