[00:00] konqrunner, kk, as I said, I think it's something stupid [00:02] Jeeves_Moss: Check your main configuration (/etc/apache2/sites-available/default). Is the default server configured as a vhost as well? [00:02] konqrunner, one sec. [00:02] konqrunner, this is an example of the v-host Dear Madam or Sir: [00:02] I would like to introduce myself as a candidate for the systems administrator position that is currently available within your organization. [00:02] Over the last twelve years I have been involved in many sales and information technology functions, in both retail and customer support environments. Recently I have been doing contract work for local clients in a Systems and Network administrator role. [00:02] Accomplishments: [00:02] As the owner of Scotty Knows I.T., I managed many projects under contract ranging from small one person businesses up to multi-million dollar organizations. [00:02] I have had to negotiate all levels of organizations, at sites of up to 1000 employees. i.e.: Vice Presidents, Site Services Managers (Environment, Maintenance, IT, HR, Accounting, Purchasing, Engineering). [00:02] My experience at all levels and sizes of organizations has given me a better understanding of time/mission critical installations and I.T. [00:02] maintenance has become in a business’s infrastructure, and has given me the skills to best navigate and plan such work. [00:02] Implementation of: [00:02] o Enterprise Resource Planning System as a system manager for [00:02] Northbound publications; [00:02] o Designed training programs as Training Manager for RadioShack [00:02] Guelph (as the assistant manager); [00:02] o Human Resources Manager (including scheduling & payroll) for Scotty [00:03] Whoa, I guess that was the wrong copy, wasn't it ;-) [00:03] konqrunner, lol, yep [00:04] konqrunner, ok, here we go. [00:05] konqrunner, 000-default = http://pastebin.com/sNxHntXE, first v-host = http://pastebin.com/zzEriT4m [00:06] Jeeves_Moss: I think I see something [00:06] konqrunner, yea!!! LOL [00:07] There seems to be one slash too many in your document root of the vhost [00:07] lol [00:07] ok, one sec [00:07] Try ocumentRoot /mnt/raid/www_root/moseley.ca/public_html [00:08] I want to see if this works [00:08] nope, dosn't work [00:09] brb, I have to quickly deal with an equine [00:14] Jeeves_Moss: I re-wrote part of your vhost config: http://pastebin.com/SbYJWUBT [00:15] Anybody testing 10.04 at the moment? :) [00:15] konqrunner, ok, I'm back [00:15] cloakable, 10.04, not yet [00:16] aha [00:16] Jeeves_Moss: I re-wrote part of your vhost config: http://pastebin.com/SbYJWUBT [00:17] konqrunner, I think that did it, one sec [00:21] konqrunner, well, it looks like the first site works, but the rest of them don't work [00:24] Hmm, I at a loss here... All config files look exactly the, all vhosts were enable (a2ensite) and all permission grant apache access to the respective directories? [00:25] konqrunner, lol, so am I. it should just be, make the v-host configs, restart the server, and away we go [00:34] Jeeves_Moss: Did you change the default site's config as well? I'm pretty sure there was something about _not_ placing a trailing slash on DocRoots... [00:34] hummm, not that I remember [00:35] What- the slash or the change of the default config..? :-) [00:35] konqrunner, this is pissin' me off! LOL [00:37] konqrunner, the ONLY configs in the sites-enabled are the 2 v-hosts (same as the ones you sent me, diff server/doc roots), [00:37] Jeeves_Moss: Well, if the first site works, then disengage the other vhosts (a2dissite), delete the configs in /etc/apache2/sites-available... [00:37] ok, one sec [00:38] then copy the working vhost's config and alter it to the appropriate names etc [00:38] then a2ensite, apache2 restart and try again... [00:38] we're getting this when I restart apache. "[Fri Apr 23 19:38:37 2010] [error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *: -- ignoring!" [00:39] Hah! Then check your dns config! [00:40] If you're trying to set the sites up locally, you'll probably have to enter their name in /etc/hosts [00:40] hi everyone, im having problems connecting to a PPTP VPN server, it works in windows, but it doesnt on ubuntu 9.10, I check syslog says: modem hangup..any clues? [00:40] konqrunner, this box dosn't have DNS installed on it (and neither did my last config before the HDD died), and I had it working [00:41] jorge_: that's a network manager problem (it was for 9.04) - check Launchpad for the bug report [00:43] konqrunner, ideas? [00:46] Jeeves_Moss: Hang on, I found a similar error in a German ubuntu forum - I'll have to translate it first [00:48] Jeeves_Moss: Okay, no. 1: Are you testing locally or on a fully-qualified internet host? === erichammond1 is now known as erichammond [00:51] Jeeves_Moss: And no. 2: Are the domains possibly registered to an IP address other than the machine's that you're currently working on? [00:52] konqrunner, this box is behind a NAT (with port forwarding), and the domains are pointing to my static IP [00:55] Okay, looks like the directive 'NameVirtualHost' is the culprit. [00:55] konqrunner, ??? [00:56] Seems that apache gets hickkups when several config files have this directive. the guy here in germany solve the problem by commenting the directive [00:58] konqrunner, sorry, how do I fix it? [00:58] Jeeves_Moss: I don't have NameVirtualHost defined in my configs and all vhosts work like a charm [00:59] konqrunner, one sec. [00:59] So, comment or delete NameViortualHost from your configs and give it a shot [01:00] konqrunner, ok, I'm going to try taking it out [01:00] Alternatively, place 'NameVirtualHost 127.0.0.1:80' in your 000-default and omit it from the vhost configs [01:00] konqrunner, some thing. "[error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *: -- ignoring!" [01:09] Jeeves_Moss: Could you paste your /etc/hosts, please? [01:10] hey all, i'm trying to use MPD on a fresh ubuntu-server install... it's segfaulting when i try to play anything, but mplayer can play the songs just fine. it *looks* codec related, does MPD need some special codecs above and beyond what mplayer would need? [01:13] Jeeves_Moss: Yep, I googled and found tons of references to dns lookup going haywire. So, we've gotta look at your hosts... [01:17] konqrunner, lol, ok, where to start? [01:18] pastebin your hosts file? [01:18] konqrunner, I know that my sites are pointing to my static IP (the setup through zoneedit.com worked before) [01:19] konqrunner, http://pastebin.com/fuudWH7j [01:21] maybe i'm not following. those look fine. [01:22] exept for the fact, that the vhosts are not listed... [01:22] oh i don't have any vhosts in mine [01:23] just one site [01:23] lol, sorry, was that related to me? [01:23] Should be something like '127.0.0.1 localhost moseley.ca', so that your machine knows that it must route your browser's request to your local machine, I guess [01:24] well, will that fix the external requests as well? (and I never remember setting it up in the hosts file on the old config) [01:24] that has nothing to do with external requests [01:25] it'd only effect your local machine [01:25] yep, exactly [01:25] I'm lost [01:25] who is your host? is that where you're having trouble? [01:25] i missed the problem, i kinda jumped in sorry... [01:26] arrrghhh, you're refering to me? [01:26] yes [01:27] arrrghhh, ok, sorry. the box is in my basement. I'm on a ADSL line (wiht a static IP). I orignally had a server set up here (the HDD's spindle died), so I lost everything. And now, I'm trying to get it set up again. So far, the ONLY thing I can get setup is my FTP. :-( I need to get 9 domains setup on this box (via v-host). [01:27] thru apache...? or on the box itself? [01:27] Jeeves_Moss: I just saw this: Your vhosts are outside your server's root, right? [01:28] arrrghhh, it's on the box (ie. e-mail (still not looking forward to seeing that up), FTP, HTTP, etc) [01:28] konqrunner, each domain has it's own user [01:29] konqrunner, the only thing they share is the same group (www-data) [01:29] Sorry, I meant 'root directory' [01:29] konqrunner, sorry, I'm not sure what you're asking. All of the v-host's roots are off of "/mnt/raid/www_root/" [01:30] yes, but your server's root directory is on /var/www [01:30] konqrunner, it should me [01:30] ??? [01:31] it doesn't have to be /var/www tho [01:31] konqrunner, there should be no other HTTP requests on this box. ANY HTTP resuest has to be one of the v-hosts [01:32] and all of the vhosts roots are in "/mnt/raid/www_root/" [01:32] i'm assuming you're using bind9? [01:32] arrrghhh, my ISP won't allow me to run a DNS server, so I have the DNS hosted @ ZoneEdit.com [01:33] arrrghhh, and we know all of the vhosts point to the proper static IP [01:34] i guess i'm confused as to how you point that... i've only used vhosts with apache. [01:36] arrrghhh, ok. DNS is handled by ZoneEdit.com (try pinging www.moseley.ca, it'll resolve to my static IP). what I'm having the issue with is that I can't get the Apache server to point requests for moseley.ca to /mnt/raid/www_root/public_html/ and requests for www.tessawhite.ca to point to /mnt/raid/www_root/tessawhite.ca/public_html/ [01:37] Jeeves_Moss, i know how to split up apache servers into virtual hosts, you sounded like you wanted the whole server split into virtual hosts... i have no clue how that works. [01:38] other than, well virtual machines... but that's completely different. [01:38] arrrghhh, all of the websites and other vhosted sites are ALL on the same server [01:39] you made it sound like you wanted more than just apache vhosts [01:39] arrrghhh, nope, I just need apache v-hosts. that's all I want. [01:39] oh [01:39] well [01:40] arrrghhh, I'm dealing with the other vhost stuff (ie. FTP, e-mail, etc) on my own. [01:40] http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-name-based-virtual-hosting/ [01:41] arrrghhh, one sec, I have something like that set up already [01:41] arrrghhh, brb, I have to move this PC. 2 mins [01:46] smoser: you're dead on correct about kvm-ok [01:46] hggdh: cool, let me know how that goes [01:48] arrrghhh, ok, sorry, I had to move locations [01:49] ok... [01:49] Jeeves_Moss: Please check the permissions for /mnt/raid/www_root. apache2 needs r-x access to theses directories. Additionally, make sure that it says '' in each of the config files - instead of VirtualHost *:80 [01:49] arrrghhh, ok, so, what's the plan here? let me get a copy of one of my vhost configs [01:49] did you read the tut? that's the plan. [01:50] it walks you thru it, much better than i ever could. [01:50] ok, one sec [01:50] will that take care of being behind a NAT (port forwarding on), etc? [01:50] URL again? [01:50] i'd do that in the router [01:50] http://ubuntu-tutorials.com/2008/01/09/setting-up-name-based-virtual-hosting/ [01:51] arrrghhh, I did the port forward allready on the router, etc [01:51] then don't worry about it on the server [01:51] just match up ports [01:51] to the vhosts config [01:55] arrrghhh, I have port forwarding on the router to the server's internal address. and this is a paste of one of the vhost configs. http://paste.ubuntu.com/421383/ [01:56] so are you having issues? did that tut not get you thru it/ [01:57] arrrghhh, try hitting moseley.ca and tessawhite.ca [01:57] they both say the same thing, but yea [01:58] arrrghhh, that's the problem. each vhost doccument root has something TOTALLY differen't in them! [01:58] well you're doing something wrong :D i'm no expert on this, that tut should take you thru the apache config. [01:58] arrrghhh, thanks. [01:58] (02:49:31)Jeeves_Moss: Please check the permissions for /mnt/raid/www_root. apache2 needs r-x access to theses directories. Additionally, make sure that it says '' in each of the config files - instead of VirtualHost *:80 [01:58] i mean if something is buggered on the provider side, in your router... there's too many variables. [01:59] arrrghhh, when I try to restart apache, I get "[error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *: -- ignoring!" [01:59] you can't put in * [02:00] arrrghhh, into WHAT though? that's the queston [02:01] the IP? [02:01] in what config file though? [02:01] i'm not trying to be a d!ck, but did you read the tut? [02:03] lol, not yet. reading it now [02:03] arrrghhh, and no, you're not being a dick [02:07] arrrghhh, ok, followed the "howto", and we're still getting "[error] (EAI 2)Name or service not known: Could not resolve host name *: -- ignoring!" [02:09] did you put an IP in for the *? [02:09] it looks like IP:Port [02:10] yep. I made a global. [02:10] http://paste.ubuntu.com/421388/ [02:16] arrrghhh, FIGURED IT OUT!!!! add "NameVirtualHost *" to the apache2.conf file!!!!! [02:19] kirkland: topo4 has some config problems [02:23] lol that's in the tut too. but i'm glad you figured it out... [02:25] arrrghhh, in some sick ways, it's better than sex@ [02:25] what, going thru tutortials step-by-step? [02:26] nvm, you couldn't have done that. === swift_ is now known as swift [05:31] New bug: #569292 in opie (main) "opiepasswd does not always generate valid seeds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569292 === swift_ is now known as swift [05:49] hello everybody :) I have my usb modem plugged in the usb port of my home server, about to get it running with wvdial however I've ran into the problem of what the device is in /dev/something. How can I find out? [05:49] I can see it in lsusb, Bus 001 Device 005: ID 19d2:2000 === swift_ is now known as swift [06:14] is there any tool that take csv files and generate google chart ? [06:58] axisys, what is a 'Google Chart' precisely? [06:59] KurtKraut: i meant google chart api [06:59] http://code.google.com/apis/charttools/index.html [07:01] hi all plz tell me how to start internet without gui in server edition. I use manual proxy settings to start internet. [07:03] apctr, you may upload the CSV to Google Spreadsheet and then use Google Chat: http://code.google.com/intl/pt-BR/apis/visualization/documentation/spreadsheets.html [07:05] ooops [07:05] axisys, you may upload the CSV to Google Spreadsheet and then use Google Chat: http://code.google.com/intl/pt-BR/apis/visualization/documentation/spreadsheets.html [07:11] hi all :) [07:12] thinking about installing ubuntu server with several virtual machines too... looking forward to working with you [07:36] working with you? [07:41] New bug: #569313 in bacula (main) "package bacula-director upgrade failed because it couldn't connect to mysql-server" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569313 [08:16] ShadeS, indeed. "you all" === swift__ is now known as swift [09:41] Hi all, we'r running jaunty servers now, and i want to upgrade to the new LTS version thats comming up. Do you advise to make a release upgrade to karmic first, and then to LTS? or to release upgrade directly to lucid when its released? [10:00] peterlh: You can't upgrade directly to lucid from jaunty. [10:02] red2kic: oh okay, then its a easy choice... Thoughts one could do it directly with do-release-upgrade -p lucid [10:02] i'll just do it in two steps, i know that works too [10:02] peterlh: Hardy (LTS) --> Lucid (LTS). Yes. [10:03] peterlh: You're always advised to make a backup first before making any changes. [10:03] okay, once iam in a LTS release, i can continue staying it LTS, thats great. [10:03] red2kic: yes indeed, one of the nice features of virtualization :-) [10:03] so easy to test stuff like upgrades [10:04] I think I'm going to make a final backup and roll over to lucid. I can't wait a week. :( [10:05] hehe :) [10:06] got a lucid running too, but only for test until its release.. i dont dare upgrade the production machines just yet [10:07] but lucid has some nice updates, indeed [10:53] mroning [11:58] Hmm plymouth is included in the UEC images, is that intended? [12:00] lool: Can't safely boot without plymouth anymore, so I'm sure the answer is "yes". UEC images are kinda special, because they should never have meaningful boot-time messages, but that's a different matter, and likely needs special-casing. === torben_ is now known as xr600 [12:02] Any of you guys familiar with diferent types of mailservers for Ubuntu ?! [12:02] I've used postfix a little, and exim4 a lot. [12:02] persia: Do you know how to disable switching to graphics mode entirely? tried nomodeset, modeset=0, text, nosplash and still no luck [12:03] I'm using kvm -curses, and after the early kernel output, I get "640 x 480 mode" full screen and kvm -curses is useless.. [12:03] I don't. I know there's a text theme for plymouth that happens. I think you have to make the framebuffer not load. [12:03] * persia checks backscroll for a reference [12:04] persia: Yes, that's what I'm trying to do [12:04] -Hm, well I'm looking for a mail server solution that registers the read history of messages... Meaning who reads the messages and when. Possibly wit ha web-interface (If not, I will make an interface myself...) [12:05] xr600: You're not looking for a mailserver in that case. You're looking for a client. [12:06] I don't think I've ever heard of such a thing though. I suspect dovecot or squirrel mail could do it if you turned their logging up loads though. (dovecot being an imap server, and squirrelmail a webmail system) [12:06] lil_cain: well, I would prefer a web-based client solution... But a stand alone client is also an option... [12:06] I do know the squirrelmail [12:06] lool: I *think* it might be related to " echo FRAMEBUFFER=y >> /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash" [12:06] update-initramfs -u [12:07] Err, no I'm reading that backwards. Try FRAMEBUFFER=n or similar. [12:07] FRAMEBUFFER=y is supposed to *disable* the text mode [12:07] I once made something similar on Windows with hMailserver... It ran MySQL, and I simply made an additional history table + a trigger as I recall... [12:09] persia: I'm not using an initrd [12:09] UEC just has a kernel + ext fs [12:09] ext3 actually!! [12:11] Oh, right, and there were some special upstart jobs to try to make that work. Now I'm unsure, but I think mountall needs plymouth to communicate at all. [12:12] persia: In itself, plymouth would be ok in text mode [12:12] But it may be that plymouth is not configured correct. You probably want to ask smoser who spent a fair amount of time digging at this. [12:12] but it's switching to VGA graphics mode [12:12] Right, which is the issue. [12:12] smoser: ^ [12:15] even with vga=ask and selecting 0 (80x25 text mode), it switches over [12:15] grmpf [12:15] does anyone else run ipsec on linux-image-virtual? [12:16] I'm trying to do is, and I get "no netkey IPSec stack detected" when attempting to start strongswan [12:16] which basically means it can't load the ipsec modules [12:16] I've got several other ubuntu machines it works on [12:16] just this one is the virtual kernel [12:16] I'm running the virtual kernel because I thought it might use less resources or something. Is that true? [12:18] lool: What happens when you do vga=none? and boot to virtual serial console? [12:20] persia: booting with vga=none now [12:20] same thing [12:20] to reproduce: kvm -kernel lucid-server-uec-amd64-vmlinuz-virtual -hda lucid-server-uec-amd64.img -curses -append "root=/dev/sda vga=none" [12:20] File a bug then. It *really* shouldn't load any graphical interface when there isn't even a video adaptor available. [12:22] persia: there's an emulated video adapter [12:22] oh you mean to kvm [12:22] I thought you were mentionning the kernel cmdline [12:22] -vga none + -curses gives me no output [12:23] No, vga=none should turn of emulation of the video adaptor in kvm. My use case of interest is NAS devices, but that's irrelevant to the nature of the bug :) [12:23] -nographic is what I use [12:23] UEC also has no meaningful video adaptor (and it's probably a waste of processor to bother initialising it in many cases) [12:25] what is recommended for imap/pop dovecot or courier? [12:25] I prefer dovecot [12:25] it's really simple [12:26] New bug: #503467 in vm-builder (universe) "vmbuilder default account not well-documented" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/503467 [12:27] does anyone know if it would be possible to istall uuntu server on my aptop then install the various ubuntu desktops as virtual machines? [12:28] i saw something in the 9.10 setup about vm for 64bit machines [12:28] so basically it's a matter of how easy it's to set it up, but when it comes to performance/security it doesn't matter [12:29] ubuntu, sure you can, look at xen, vmware, virtualbox [12:29] ubuntu: you don't need the "server edition" to be able to use virtual machines [12:29] morrowyn, i thought these were sperate os [12:29] nope [12:29] they are the same operating system [12:29] they just come with different packages by default [12:30] so it's the same operating system, just in different "flavours" [12:30] you can turn one into the other by installing and removing the various packages :) [12:30] different default installed packages [12:30] server has more server related ones (mail, dns, web, etc.) , desktop has ( x11, media stuff etc.) [12:31] jayvee, i know that part but i meant vmware i thought was an os by itself and a proprietary one [12:31] you just install the vmware on your machine, that one will act as a host for your guest vm [12:31] i figured if the server was the base then the vm could acess the server ervices like mail etc [12:33] you could do that, but you might want ot grab the desktop ed. and install the postfix/dovecot/courier/etc.etc. on it instead of creating overhead on your vm's [12:33] i was envisioning a srver base then i could just bring up the other ubuntus with a command but i didnt want to ue vmware because it costs does ubuntu server allow something like this [12:34] yes, I'd use virtualbox personally [12:34] ubuntu: You could set it up that way: but which flavour you happen to install on a machine doesn't in any way restrict you to which packages you can install; you can even switch flavours from an installed system, if you like. [12:34] by the way, I wouldn't install the server edition, because the server edition only comes with a command line interface by default [12:34] * persia uses kvm and/or qemu [12:34] which means that you wouldn't be able to see the VMs you are running [12:34] you can install sudo apt-get install gnome-desktop ??? [12:35] on the server [12:35] jayvee: Why not? Use libvirt-bin, and export them over VNC to some (other) client :) [12:35] he has said it is a laptop [12:35] if its a powerful laptop [12:35] yes, I know you can and do run headless VMs in practice, but I don't really think this is what he wants to do [12:35] i know but i like to compartmentalize my systems for different tasks instead of having everything on one system [12:35] morrowyn: No, but that's only because there's no "gnome-desktop" package. You can run `apt-get install ubuntu-desktop` and end up with a full desktop environment on next reboot. [12:36] and i dont want to have several boxes [12:36] (actually, you don't need to reboot, but you may have to fiddle some services by hand if you don't) [12:37] jayvee: I'm not talking about headless VMs: using VNC as X output works just fine :) [12:37] i know the cloud computing option has installabl vms but can i bring the vm up on the same box as the server is installed? [12:37] ubuntu: Install a minimal base, and a virtualisation host (libvirt-bin, etc.). Create a bunch of virtual machines there, and run your stuff in the virtual machines. Should work just fine. I believe "Virtualisation Host" is one of the available options on install of the server flavour. [12:38] Yep. Works trivially easily. [12:38] persia, that sounds about like what i want to do [12:39] ubuntu, why not look at http://onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/09/04/jails.html or chroot everything on your one box [12:39] 10gig vms should be enough to have every flavor on my laptop then [12:39] wow running the ec2 kernel in kvm -curses gives spectacular results [12:39] 4G each should be sufficient (although 10 allows for installing more additional software) [12:40] lool: How does it differ from running e.g. -server? [12:40] and dump everything into a database, so you can easily export to other boxes [12:40] if need be [12:41] im going to google for virtualization host install mode and see if thats what i need after firefox frees up im uploading a video to vimeo [12:41] it locked up my entire firefox for some reason [12:41] because you will hurt your system on the ram [12:41] morrowyn: Why? [12:43] so until i can get goog again i will continue to ask questions so once i setup a vm host they will be able to be pulled up on the box the host is on right? [12:43] well, running server + vmware + (guest os + mailserver) + (guest os + desktop) vs. server + mailserver + desktop on laptop with capped system resources on cpu/ram [12:44] and will i be able to install the systems on the vm using the isos or do i have to get some vm iages or will i have to make them somehow? [12:45] just tell your vm's to boot from iso [12:45] morrowyn: Ah, right. because kernel+some libraries are loaded twice. [12:46] But I'd not use vmware for the vms anyway :) [12:46] i know it will bog myt ram i can just buy some more, im envisioning a big security avantage because i can have my personal data encrypted on a vm with no network ifs on and then brows in another vm that is like a live cd so [12:47] you can encrypt you entire harddrive , use imap or pop3 over ssl, gpg your email, but all this has nothing to do with using vm's and separate stuff [12:48] well if someone exploits a vm they cant touch the rest of the sytstem [12:48] well if you jail/chroot your stuff, they also have a hardtime [12:49] to jailbreak out, especially if you hdd is encrypted [12:49] to me, the weakest link in your entire security will always be the human mindset using the system [12:50] besides i like the different desktops because i can setup one vm for ubuntu studio which needs special settings and kernal but then another for pesonal data and yet another for security auditingg [12:50] they can be social engineered or just become lazy or annoyed by security settings and eventually will sabotage everything to get their stuff done [12:51] exactly if i get lazy on a vm wont matter because the other vm isnt even connected [12:52] :) [12:52] morrowyn: HD encryption completely fails to provide any protection against chroot jailbreaking: the binaries in the chroot *already* have access to the unencrypted filesystem. [12:52] ubuntu: Running ubuntu studio in a VM is very likely to have unacceptable performance. This is expected behaviour. [12:53] agreed [12:53] But ask in #ubuntustudio if you want deeper explanantion on that, [12:54] wow, i didnt know that, ubuntu studio [12:54] hopefully that ditched cinelerra [12:54] that/they [12:54] if it still exist [12:55] they use kino now [12:55] its very basic [12:55] hmmm, you want to run heavy duty ram usage program inside a vm ? [12:55] im going to hope over there and ask some questions [12:55] hmmm, kino, wow, thats really basic [12:55] ubuntu: maybe you should change your nickname from “ubuntu” :) [12:56] im about to wipe this system as soon as my video gets to vimeo [12:56] pity shake is discontnued by apple [12:58] and gimp, well, it's gimped in comparison to photoshop [13:03] thanks for the talk guys [13:04] welcome [13:04] persia: It gives garbled output on the host, using random colors and chars, it's a piece of modern art [13:04] Oh, cool! [13:04] cool [13:05] * persia suspects that's a bug though [13:05] kind of like a snowcrash on old crt screen [13:36] crap intel dont support virtualization [13:36] i guess because its not true 64 [13:36] looks like all amd cpu support vt [13:36] It's significantly more complex than that. [13:36] i have a core2duo [13:38] Plus, there's two flippable bits on the chips that support virtualisation, and the BIOS may do one or another things with them. One turns on and off virtualisation support, the other locks/unlocks the first. So the common implementations are 1) BIOS locks VM on, 2) BIOS locks VM off, 3) BIOS allows the user to set VM on/off and locks the result, 4) BIOS doesn't lock. [13:39] does anyone know how can i monitor my cpu and motherboard temperature at ubuntu-server??? [13:39] is it the same way as the ubuntu desktop? [13:40] persia, but the cpu doesnt have it according to intel website the thing is if it were just a bios issue im sure coreboot would fix that [13:41] jaypur: It's precisely the same [13:41] jaypur, im sure there is a package that will monitor it but i dont know the name [13:41] If the CPU doesn't have it, you're out of luck. [13:42] But don't think it's a per-CPU vendor thing [13:42] * persia has CPUs from AMD that don't do VMX [13:42] i think the package you need depends on your hardware [13:43] * persia also has chips from Intel that report no VMX in the specs that support VMX perfectly fine [13:43] persia: There is an AMD lookalike to VMX [13:43] im thinking this is because amd pioneered 64bit x86 cpus thier site says: Powering ultrathin notebooks to blade servers, all AMD processors shipped are designed to use AMD-V™ features. [13:44] i guess it is all opterons [13:44] i need to start searching for an operon laptop with 1394 [13:45] I'd be surprised to see an Opteron laptop. [13:45] But, some of the phenoms have the virtualisation bit, at least [13:45] lil_cain: Not for the Athlon XP 64 X2 4600+ :p [13:46] persia, i installed lm-sensors and gkrellm... to run at my laptop by ssh... but it's not getting the temperature... [13:46] The point being that the presence or absence of virtualisation support is per-chip, not per-vendor. [13:47] jaypur: It may be that your hardware doesn't report it in a way that your software understands. I have one server where /proc/acpi/thermal_zone has no entries, as an example. [13:47] i wonder if corporations install backdoor virtualization in the hardware maybe thats why toshiba is called sattelite [13:48] persia, i have ubuntu-desktop at the server machine, and now i'll test it... [13:48] That's not how that company selected that name. [13:50] well i guess i cant do vm unless the cpu supports it right? [13:52] Not without significant performance penalty. [13:52] virtualbox and qemu are two tools you can use without processor support, but you'll never get quite the performance you would get with processor support. [13:53] i imagine instead of the vms acessing the cpu directly they would go through the base kernall is that why [13:53] No. [13:53] Well, kinda. [13:53] persia, yup... just tested... it does not give support to my server hardware... [13:53] i installed lm-sensors and gkrellm [13:54] jaypur: There may be special utilities for your hardware, but you'll have to search for them. [13:55] So, if the processor doesn't support virtualisation, one needs to support virtualisation in software, which means running code to manage separation of host/guest memory, processes, etc., which adds overhead. [13:55] persia, my cpu is a p4 2.0 and the motherboard is an asus p4s533... [13:55] Some of this code is kernel, but lots of it is userspace. When the processor supports virtualisation, much of the userspace stuff can be passed to the kernel virtualisation module, which can pass it to the hardware. [13:56] jaypur: I don't know offhand what you need, sorry. [13:56] persia, i wanna know what should i do to detect my hardware.... [13:56] i think it has to do with acpi jaypur [13:56] ubuntu, tell me more plz... [13:56] read the desriptions of the packages t explains it [13:57] It doesn't necessarily have to do with ACPI: not all hardware exposes that information to ACPI: for some stuff you have to poll i2c directly, etc. [13:57] there are several packages for it [13:57] (one could hack the DSDT, but that depends on whether the BIOS can track i2c, etc.) [13:58] persia, so either way the virtualization acesses the cpu thrugh 1 kernal [13:59] jaypur, all i know is that when i was installing the monitoring packages there is one for older sstems and one for newer and that was explaied in the package descriptions might want to make sure all that stuff is turned on in bios also if it has the option [14:00] ubuntu, so i'll go to bios to see it..... [14:00] ubuntu: Kinda: the kernel abstracts the HW from userspace, and the virtualisation is running in userspace. That said, the virtual machine never uses the host kernel *except* by interaction with the virtualisation layer. [14:00] just so you can get a second opinion [14:00] I don't perceive any difference between SW and HW virtualisation [14:01] This is *very* different from things like LXC, where multiple userspace stacks may be interacting with the same kernel. [14:01] gkrell is for desktop jaypur [14:01] jayvee: I notice a speed difference for otherwise comparable hardware. [14:01] ubuntu, i'm using it at my laptop by ssh to see the server [14:01] :D [14:02] persia: are you referring to VT-x/AMD-v vs. software VM acceleration? [14:03] or are you thinking more along the lines of no-kqemu/kvm vs. kqemu/kvm? [14:03] I was thinking along the lines of the former. I haven't found AMD-v to add any performance personally. [14:03]