[00:09] Riddell: Want to be more clear as to the version for Amarok on Lynx? [00:11] I'm afraid not, konqueror crashes now when I try to edit it :( [00:12] svn up? [00:55] Riddell: Any points missing from Kubuntu LTS that you would like to see there? === rdieter_ is now known as rdieter [04:14] if I kill virtuoso is it going to do bad things? [04:20] ScottK: so I installed kubuntu-netbook [04:20] LaserJock: I'm guessing virtuoso is not your friend. [04:20] ScottK: since I logged in this virtuoso/nepomuk process is taking all my CPU [04:21] Lovely. [04:21] I think if you kill it it won't affect much. [04:21] JontheEchidna is our expert, IIRC. [04:21] LaserJock: How much RAM does your netbook have? [04:22] We should have a patch that keeps it from running on systems with 1GB or less. [04:22] 1 GB of RAM [04:23] so I killed it [04:23] JontheEchidna: I thought it wasn't supposed to run on 1GB systems? [04:23] nepomuk processes are still taking a fair amount, but at least it's no 100% [04:24] You would think by now upstreams would have learned the lesson that searching is not so cool it gets to steal all the CPU. [04:24] especially on first start-up [04:24] I was about to start my review with "performance is not so great" [04:24] Yeah. I can imagine. [04:25] but I've been through this enough to know to check top first ;-) [04:25] IIRC that running on a 1GB system is a bug. [04:25] when I first got my netbook and put UNE on it I was really disappointed [04:26] only to realize Gnome-Do was killing it with 100% CPU usage the entire time [04:26] Nice. [04:27] I almost wonder if some sort of "Hmmm, a process seems to be taking a lot of your CPU" notification [04:27] would be helpful [04:27] ScottK: I have 600MB and it runs on my computer [04:28] daskreech: I think that's not good. [04:28] it's sort of like a full hard drive [04:28] Yeah. [04:28] And I have near 700 GB of Data [04:28] is this only used for strigi? [04:28] So I just started nepomuk and left it running overnight [04:28] I'm not sure what an ordinary user would know what to do about it. [04:28] LaserJock: It's the culmination of strigi [04:28] LaserJock: No, also for nepomuk (semantic desktop stuff) [04:29] is that related by chance to these "open desktop" widgets? [04:30] No. It's wired more deeply into the system than that. [04:30] k [04:30] KDE is going full force for sematic desktop (whatver that means). [04:31] I just wondered because the "open desktop" and "knowledgebase" widgets didn't seem to work for me [04:31] well, I don't know, they didn't do anything so I wondered [04:31] The knowledgebase one is somewhat flaky to me. [04:32] We didn't customize that at all, just went with upstream defaults. If you decide you care about widgets on the desktop you'll change them anyway. [04:32] sure, I already did ;-) [04:32] there are *so* many widgets these days [04:32] The twitter/identi.ca one seems to finally work this cycle. [04:33] There are. [04:33] the Remember the Milk one works, very slick looking too [04:33] Cool. [04:34] not sure I'm crazy about scrolling the screen for widgets, but there's not a lot you can do on such a small screen [04:35] I think it's a decent accomodation to the form factor. [04:35] One package I really like is akonadi-kde-resource-googledata. [04:36] With that I get automatic sync between my Google account and local addressbook/calendar data. [04:36] * rgreening is installing KNR now on Acer One... [04:36] Since I also have an Android phone, it works out very nicely. [04:38] well, I have to say the interface is better than what I thought from looking at screenshots [04:38] I guess that's good. [04:39] autohiding panel is a bit difficult when dealing with apps with menus [04:39] When I demo'ed the tech preview at the last UDS a lot of people said they thought it was similar to UNR. [04:39] but you get a lot of screen real estate [04:39] Agreed. [04:39] It's not ideal, but I think it's a good trade off. [04:39] Maximizing available screen real estate was a big design focus. [04:40] UNE has a persistent panel [04:40] but it's a bit small [04:40] some similar ideas, different ordering [04:41] the launcher is pretty nice, I like that it as a search (missing in UNE) [04:41] AFAIK they were done fairly independently . [04:41] yeah, I imagine [04:41] it's interesting to see where independent designs converge [04:42] Some early prototypes of the KDE U/I were demonstrated at the joint desktop summit in Gran Canaria. [04:42] I know there were some Canonical Ux people there. [04:42] So it may not have been completely independent. [04:43] * daskreech shrugs. They seem to be pulling best of breed in and forging [04:43] Plaigarism is the sincerest form of flattery. [04:43] Fairly certain at some point Ubuntu will be a loose approximation of GNOME [04:44] It will be interesting to see what happens when Gnome shell lands. [04:44] I don't exactly look forward to that :( [04:45] From what little I understand it, it seems like Canonical is headed in a bit of a different direction. [04:45] LaserJock: Why not? [04:45] I haven't tried it yet, but I hope they don't force usage before it's stable enough [04:45] well, because new things generally suck :-) [04:45] until things get worked out [04:46] daskreech: Think KDE 4.0 and wonder why he might be worried. [04:46] well, something like that [04:46] KDE had 4.0 and is very very well organized [04:46] GNOME is much more haphazard [04:47] ScottK: Gnome SHELL isn't KDE 4.0 [04:47] It's a rough bump into KDE 3.0 [04:48] daskreech: We'll see. It seems to have some similar concepts to what plasma had for 4.0 behind it. [04:48] They aren't rewriting anything they are adding a new option that will phase out the still maintained new one [04:48] Right, so not so hard a transition. [04:49] well [04:49] Gnome 3.0 is for most intents and purposes a pushpin in the timeline that arbitrarily says Look this is a new version [04:49] If they didn't do Gnome Shell there would be no other real visible changes to Gnome [04:49] Sure. [04:49] I'm worried that it will be harder a transition than people are letting on and it will not be independent (so it'll ripple through the desktop) [04:50] LaserJock: I'm not sure what you think will happen but it won't destroy anything [04:50] I don't understand Canonical's strategy for it. At least from what I've seen (not that I look really hard) they are pressing on with their own vision and not worrying about it. [04:51] I think it'll very likely suck developer time/energy away from other things that are maybe more needed [04:51] So I think concern that where Ubuntu is going will end up cross threaded with where upstream Gnome is going is not unreasonable. [04:51] and then it won't really add much of anything [04:51] ScottK: Canonical will soon be it's own software stack I'm sure [04:51] daskreech: Maybe that's the plan. [04:52] They have already started saying things like if you would like the Ubuntu users to enjoy your application now would be the time to make patches [04:52] ScottK: they aren't quite that dumb but they are that stubborn [04:53] There is huge value to networking and community effects. [04:54] It's how they pulled from Debian and made an Ubuntu experience [04:55] No possible way that the plan is to sever that with the rest of the Linux world. But if they divine that this is a valuable path they are going to chase it and promote others follow by including the changes they make [04:55] I'm curious how this no systray thing will go. [04:55] I'm sure they are too [04:55] My favorite being the one that was sure it wouldn't be a problem to expect Skype to accomodate it. [04:56] I'm just glad that it can be done. I can't fathom trying to do this kind of thing in Microsoft and getting it to ship in WIndows [04:56] Agreed. [04:57] I find it also interesting to see how "we are our own upstream" works out [04:58] Yeah. [04:58] I like the merging of Gnome Apple an Windows 7 in having persistency of applications and actions even if they are not running [04:58] Some good stuff happening [04:58] So far I think they have a mix of good ideas and bad ones. [04:59] as long as things can "shake out" and don't get stuck in "we have to keep this just because" [04:59] LaserJock: I haven't seen a lot of openness to revisit previous decisions so far. [04:59] not particularly no [05:00] not on the design level [05:00] I am still completely boggled at the notion that if I click on a notification it's bad if something useful happens. [05:00] LaserJock: So far I can't think of an Idea they have vocally dropped but then I don't know if that's because they have a stubborn we must stick to it agenda or what they have done so far has been good [05:00] I know that people in general who are getting the end release distro seem to be pretty accepting of whatever comes [05:00] ScottK: I get it in practice. it means I don't have to freak out if I miss a notification [05:01] LaserJock: That's exactly how they have it wrong. [05:01] They solved the wrong problem. [05:01] well, they solved part of the problem, IMO [05:01] The problem isn't having actions, the problem is having actions be the only way to do something. [05:01] LaserJock: I've had two different experiences with that. Either I find notifications very very distracting or I stop looking at them altogether which after an hour makes me wonder why they are there [05:02] I don't have a problem not click on notifications [05:02] it does seem a bit too difficult to deal with actions though [05:02] LaserJock: An example: with my Quassel IRC, I get a notification when I get highlighted. If I click on it, I get taken to that channel. If I miss it and still want to respond, I click on the systray icon and I still go to the channel. [05:03] right [05:03] I think the design goal of the user not being rushed is very good. [05:03] I go straight to the window either way [05:04] I think that they drew a poor implementation to reach that goal and then insisted it was the goal. [05:04] there is still a sense of having different modes (go straight to window or go to messaging menu) [05:04] hmm [05:04] LaserJock: Aslo Empathy is broken [05:04] I actually like that notifications aren't actions [05:04] I have the KDE version of the messaging menu (it's still an indicator) and I also like it. [05:05] but I didn't find notifications that were actionable very annoying in the first place [05:05] I think it's great when I've been away from my computer and come back to a bunch of highligets. [05:05] So I want a complete list. [05:05] I have more problems with having the notification menu disconnected from the app [05:06] For reacting real time when I'm at the computer though I think it's far inferior to just clicking on the notification or the icon. [05:06] so if I go straight to the apps window, it doesn't clear the notifications necessarily [05:06] I just go to the app though [05:06] The KDE one does that sometimes, but it usually works out. [05:06] it's a click either way [05:07] either click on the notification or click on the app [05:07] Yes, although going via the menu can take you to the right spot in the app. [05:07] right, but that's why you can minimize to systray anymore [05:07] you always have the apps there (for better or worse) [05:07] I really like the fact that in Quassel the icon/notification takes me to the right channel. [05:07] i like the message indicator, mostly because it gets rid so about 4 different icons in the systray [05:08] It didn't get rid of any yet for me. [05:08] I get enough out of the Quasel and Kmail icons that I prefer to have them around still. [05:08] so far for me it's a net loss in total [05:08] just need a plugin in for choqok [05:08] I don't IM, so that doesn't enter into it. [05:09] I have 3 icons (gwibber, evolution, and empathy) rolled into one, but I have 2 new ones for the session that are wide [05:09] what bugs me the most is that there are no preferences, no options [05:10] The fact that I can control which icons I see and don't see on an icon by icon basis now in KDE made the most difference for me on the systray [05:10] LaserJock: I told you before you want to be a KDE user. [05:10] Then you can have preferences. [05:11] :) [05:11] i have the message indicator plasmoid but its useless to me as it just shows all 100-or-so of my kmail folders *all the time* [05:11] LaserJock: come on jordan, come to the darkside. kubotu will give you cookies ;-) [05:11] ScottK: I want preferences, not every possible combination and permutation of possible configurations ;-) [05:12] LaserJock: KDE has started to realize that an infinitude of preferences is not idea. [05:12] yeah kde4 is actually usable, unlike kde3 [05:12] * maco runs [05:13] But just on the topic of system tray, I could easily run without one if I wanted to and I can decide on an icon by icon basis if they should be shown, hidden, or left to the app to decide. [05:13] you know, I just started to like KDE when KDE3 was killed off [05:13] So it's very easy to get exactly what I want. [05:14] The stuff that was annoying me about taking up too much space is now pretty well resolved. [05:15] BTW, I totally agree about Chromium. I'm liking it a lot. [05:15] I'm a little worried about using a browser that's in Universe. I need to look into how it's going to be kept up. [05:15] perhaps [05:16] it's long been more stable than Firefox ever was for me [05:16] It's not stability I'm worried about, it's security. [05:16] I'm really surprised that a browser this good could be this good so fast [05:16] AFAIK there are no really secure web browsers. [05:16] it's almost an oxymoron [05:17] i have choqok, quassel, and skype set to "auto" yet all three stay in the tray full time when running :-/ [05:17] At the last UDS, shtylman was asking everyone "Have you tried Chromium". [05:18] maco: The app needs to be designed to do something with the auto setting. [05:18] i see [05:18] Witness the device notifier will hide itself if it didn't detect stuff now. [05:18] right [05:18] It used to be both not in the tray and always present. [05:18] Took up a huge amount of space. [05:19] It would be nice of Akregator would autohide when there were no unread posts. [05:23] is the ordering of elements in the panel come from upstream? [05:23] s/is/does/ [05:24] Except we added the lock/logout widgets [05:24] Panel configurability is not on par at all with plasma desktop yet. [05:27] it's a bit weird having the window control all the way on the right [05:27] Agreed. [05:27] I'm used to having it next to the launcher area (center of panel) [05:28] on the other hand, the X is in the top right corner where you'd expect :-) [05:28] They put it on the left initially, but concluded it should go on the right so the X to close windows would be where people expect it. [05:28] Yes, exaclyt. [05:28] Rather ironic given Ubuntu's configuration now. [05:28] * maco giggles [05:28] in UNE it seems more like a tab [05:29] so the X is on the right side of the tab [05:29] like in firefox? [05:29] yeah [05:29] so it doesn't feel like a window decoration context, IMO [05:29] it feels more like closing tabs [05:30] firefox switched from a single close button to one-per-tab after eye tracking testing showed that people would look at that button, pause, then dismiss it and keep looking for a way to close the tab [05:31] yeah [05:32] so I like in UNE I have, from left to right, 1) the place I start apps 2) the place where apps live 3) the title of current app 4)X to close that app [05:33] for Kubuntu netbook 1 is on the opposite side of the window as 3 & 4 and 2 is hidden in 3 [05:33] LaserJock: Chrome was built by Google buying nearly all the Mozilla dev heads. So the stuff they had planned for Firefox they just did it 2-3 years earlier since they didn't have to work around Cruft [05:34] daskreech: ah, that make sense [05:34] ScottK: +1 on akregator [05:35] daskreech: It might be worth filing a wish on b.k.o if there isn't one. [05:36] how has the bug forwarding thing worked out? [05:36] JontheEchidna is probably the one with the best view on that. [05:37] I know that for me filing tracebacks upstream has resulted in a lot more of my crashes getting fixed than filing them on Launchpad ever did. [05:38] ScottK: Shall I? [05:38] daskreech: Yes. Please. [05:38] ScottK: Ok I'll drop it on my To-do [05:41] Thanks. [10:05] ScottK: hei! Any idea when those backports will be done? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [10:32] hello [11:25] you gents know if a nepomukfilewatch memory leak has been reported? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:24] ScottK: Strigi will not start on 1 GB if machines, but only if it's the first start of nepomuk ever. (So on the live cd, and then on the first login) [13:25] I couldn't think of a way to make it happen for existing installs without destroying user config [13:26] or destroying freedom to choose whether or not they wanted strigi on their 1GB or less machines [13:30] (People did complain when a bug accidentally caused the patch to always disable strigi on 1GB systems, period) [13:58] JontheEchidna: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kubuntu+Lucid?content=123354 [13:58] why we are not using it >_< [13:58] :P [14:07] Quintasan: there is the part about us being in every freeze ever when it was released ;P [14:07] who cares [14:07] :P [14:07] it looks awesome [14:07] goes with our plymouth theme [14:08] well, I think it's time to start reading some Qt development books [14:11] I still don't get why we want KPackageKit, I think Shaman2 could be ready [14:11] for Maveric ofc [14:12] KPackageKit is, at the least, certain to work. (Even if a bit suboptimally) [14:12] Shaman2 on the other hand doesn't have a backend that can install stuff on a debian system aside from Packagekit [14:12] Going to shaman2 is making the same mistake that going to KPackagekit was [14:13] well, it has, but I will need to poke the guy to get to work or even try helping him (lol no knowledge of C++) [14:13] e.g. the jump to the new, shiny tech that promises to be the Ultimate Solution (tm) [14:13] Quintasan: I'm working on a shaman backend, as it happens :) [14:14] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/sysadmin/shaman/libshaman/backends/qapt/ <- requires playground/libs/libqapt otherwise you'll get the other/old apt backend [14:15] Currently it's read-only, with the exception that you can check for updates [14:15] awesome [14:15] I thought we'd like packagekit backend better [14:15] I have submitted a patch some time ago [14:15] well, PackageKit is most of the reason KPackageKit sucks :P [14:16] agreed [14:16] we'd just be trading one face of fail for another [14:16] anyways I can help? [14:17] Quintasan: Know anything about the libapt-pkg library? [14:17] As it stands, if I can get support for installing/removing packages in libqapt, it'd be a fairly complete library [14:18] JontheEchidna: not really but if it is not really complicated I think I could try to play around with it [14:18] * JontheEchidna giggles a little [14:18] the api is horrible [14:22] JontheEchidna: let me get it stright, libqapt uses libapt-pkg libs? [14:22] and libqapt is used by shaman? [14:22] Quintasan: libqapt is a Qt wrapper over the ugly libapt-pkg api [14:22] which is then used to implement the shaman backend [14:22] oh [14:22] JontheEchidna: are there any docs for libapt-pkg? [14:23] mwahaha [14:23] if you're lucky, some of the libapt-pkg headers may have a bit of docs in the class headers [14:23] oh crap [14:23] @_@ [14:24] That's the beauty of libqapt. It does all the ugly stuffs, giving you a nice, sane, documented api [14:24] and it's not limited to shaman. You could conceivably make a standalone package manager with it [14:24] libapt-pkg-doc [14:24] ? [14:25] ^Eh, mostly design stuff === jjesse__ is now known as jjesse [14:25] "How we can make this library suck the most" [14:26] I've been looking at other things that use libapt-pkg such as synaptic, apt-get and the aptcc packagekit backend for examples [14:26] and it sucks? [14:26] libapt-pkg? No doubt. The libarary was grown, not designed [14:27] oh, libept is another libapt-pkg wrapper, but not object-oriented enough for my tastes [14:27] good example though [14:31] @_@ [14:31] really [14:31] wtf [14:32] d(new BackendPrivate) [14:32] that's common practice [14:32] that way you can add/remove new private members later without breaking binary compat [14:33] http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++ [14:34] JontheEchidna: libcupt-perl is yet another interface, if you're looking at options. No idea whether it matches your design preferences. [14:35] JontheEchidna: okay, I rage quit, I'm too green for this [14:35] * Quintasan wonders how to actually start [14:35] Quintasan: Thanks for the interest anyhow. :) [14:37] JontheEchidna: your code just made me go "lol wtf is this, I don't get it >_<" [14:37] 5 WTF's per second [14:37] really [14:37] :O\ [15:19] I get an akonadi self test everytime I start kontact, someone else experienced the same problem? [15:22] <_scottl> neversfelde: yeah it was solved in 10.04 for me [15:22] _scottl: this is 10.04 [15:41] apachelogger is the akonadi fixing guru. I don't have this problem. [15:51] entirely depends on what neversfelde's selftest says [15:51] also I suspect a one minute timeout for the eventloop to return is still not enough [15:51] especially when akonadi/mysql did not shut down properly and does recovering magic [15:54] If there's something one can do, it seems like decent release note material. [15:56] note: mysql is the crap, so akonadi sometimes comes up with weird issues [15:57] * apachelogger was talking about krake with this and he also agreed that like 99% of the akonadi issues one might encounter are mysql related [15:58] s/about krake with this/about this with krake ;) [16:04] could we add to the release notes that one needs to install kmozillahelper to get the kde integration for firefox (except when using the firefox installer)? [16:17] debfx: Yes. That's a perfect release note item. [16:18] apachelogger: I messed up my system, have to fix it first and after that I will have a look at the selftest again [16:19] debfx: claydoh is, IIRC, the person to talk to. [16:38] ScottK: are you a chromium converter now? :) === michaelk is now known as Guest67848 [16:58] Hi there [16:59] I have a problem with the brightness of the screen [16:59] apachelogger: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/149 The problem is gone after deleting my Akonadi config, so it is probably my fault [17:01] If The power profile be the performance mode , and I decrease the brighness , then every minute it increase my display brightness to the maximom [17:01] what should I do? [17:04] It's vey vey annoying !!! [17:04] very very* [17:05] ramanK_: this doesn't happen with other profiles? [17:05] debfx: no [17:06] ramanK_: does it only happend when the system is idle? [17:07] debfx: no , it's happening all the time [17:11] :( [17:18] shtylman: I'm not fully converted, but I can see the appeal. [17:18] :) [17:18] give it time [17:18] shtylman: Is there a way I can make it so that if I click on a link to a .deb, it just opens in ark instead of downloading the file? [17:19] hmm... not sure... there might be a way, I don't know off the top of my head cause I always have things download to a downloads folder [17:20] that way if I need it again I have it [17:20] I see something called auto open settings [17:20] but it seems grayed out for me [17:20] so might be a feature to come [17:20] It's pretty common for me to need to inspect files like that so I want them to open in ark and not be left laying around afterwards. [17:20] In Konqueror it's just right click, open with .... [17:22] how do you do it now in chrome... just download and then click the downloaded item? [17:22] cause iirc the giant button for the download has an open with option [17:23] I'll check that out. [17:23] Maybe I just missed it. [17:31] I'm seeing a problem here on multiple systems where logoff of a non-admin user fails with some kind of glib error. [17:31] Did anyone else see it? [18:35] need testers for this bug 551290 [18:35] Launchpad bug 551290 in kubuntu-default-settings "plymouth theme ugly on binary nvidia driver" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/551290 [18:45] lemme see [18:46] lex79: nope.. but im using the -21 and -20 kernels,so not entirely sure if its reproducable [18:47] uhmm, not sure [18:47] lex79: well his kernel boot command shows hes using the -18 kernel,so i cant say if its the kubuntu-default-settings or the kernel [18:48] other than that,its not reproducable [18:48] I don't know, it works here and works for another user too [18:49] lex79: i had this initially but it was fixed later on... [18:50] slacker_nl: what? the ugly theme with proprietary driver is only fixed in plymouth theme ubuntu, not in kubuntu [18:50] ops sorry, I mean shadeslayer :) [18:51] you should still have that bug, not anymore with my package [18:51] lex79: uh whut! i dont have it \o/ [18:51] magic.... [18:52] :) [18:52] 1:10.04ubuntu23 << version of kubuntu default settings [18:55] shadeslayer: which driver you use? [18:56] lex79: well i was using the nvidia driver till i added the xorg edgers ppa and switched to nouveau [18:56] neversfelde: looks like your database was busted beyond scope anyway [18:56] 100425 17:22:50 [Warning] Can't open and lock time zone table: Table 'mysql.time_zone_leap_second' doesn't exist trying to live without them [18:56] 100425 17:22:50 [ERROR] Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.servers' doesn't exi [18:56] shadeslayer: that bug is only with proprietary driver [18:56] that should not happen with our update and init and whatnot scripts [18:56] shadeslayer: you can't test my fix if you don't use proprietary [18:57] lex79: but the fact remains,that i didnt have that ugly screenshot with the proprietary drivers [18:57] so I must assume it happens because the database is so badly broken that even the system tables are b0rked [18:57] shadeslayer: strange [18:57] lex79: yeah,the resolution was 1280x800 something on my 1440x900 LCD [18:57] apachelogger: I got this problem on two different machines, probably the google akonadi client is the problem, I will have a look at this [18:58] but it wasnt that bad... [19:14] No one else has seen problems with non-admin users logging off? I can replicate it on several machines with KDM/KDE, but not with KDM/Gnome. [19:19] no here [19:20] lex79: I can confirm that this nvidia/plymouth problem is fixed with your packages [19:21] neversfelde: do you like the theme? it's not awesome but at least is watchable :) [19:21] neversfelde: can you write your feedback in LP? thanks [19:22] lex79: it is better than before :) [19:22] lex79: sure [19:22] :D [19:24] lex79: What video do you have? [19:24] video card? nvidia gtx 260 [19:24] All my failing machines are Intel. Not sure if it's related [19:25] I don't know... :( I have no problems here with KDM/KDE [19:26] Anyone else with Intel? [19:26] maybe apachelogger... [19:30] ScottK: Can you replicate on a system that *doesn't* have GNOME installed, or just one with GNOME? [19:31] persia: Both [19:31] i.e. happens whether Gnome is installed or not [19:32] Hrm. I'll see if I can replicate in a VM. [19:32] It does not, however, happen when I log out of Gnome with KDM and a non-admin user [19:36] lex79: I have Intel hardware [19:38] neversfelde: see the ScottK's problem with login/out with non admin user ^^ [19:38] ScottK: I'll try to reproduce the problem [19:38] :) [19:38] neversfelde: Thanks [19:39] * ScottK is updating a third machine to see how pervasive it is here. [19:52] Wow. I hadn't tried a Kubuntu install in a VM before. It uses *lots* of RAM. [19:53] It'll likely settle down once nepomuk's appetite is satisfied. [19:54]