[00:03] <drdozer> hi
[00:03] <drdozer> I've upgraded to lucid and been using it for a couple of days
[00:03] <drdozer> it seems to be permanently hitting my disk
[00:04] <drdozer> I have a laptop with 2G ram and nothing is running other than pigin and konsole
[00:04] <penguin42> drdozer: run top, what does it show for swap usage
[00:05] <penguin42> (and what else is running)
[00:05] <drdozer> Swap:  4016208k total,   782780k used,  3233428k free,   500676k cached
[00:05] <penguin42> drdozer: ok, now run vmstat 2  and look at the si, so, bi and bo columns - which of those are big?
[00:06] <drdozer> exclusively bi
[00:07] <penguin42> drdozer: OK, so that's reading from disk for some reason (blocks in) - install iotop and  see what's doing the disk read
[00:09] <drdozer> update.mlocate seems consistently at the top
[00:09] <drdozer> with nepomukservicestub
[00:09] <penguin42> drdozer: OK, that is the program that scans your disk so that you can do 'locate' later to find files quickly - it has to walk your whole disk to work, so does run it for a while
[00:09] <Daijoubu> Need some help here, i used OpenShot and PiTiVi under Lucid to export HD videos for youtube with mp4 format using libx264 video codec and lame audio codec.
[00:10] <penguin42> drdozer: I'm not sure what nepomuk does
[00:10] <drdozer> penguin42: mm - so fingers crossed if I just leave it running over-night, it may actually complete?
[00:10] <penguin42> drdozer: Yeh unless you have a huge filesystem with zillions of zillions of files
[00:10] <Daijoubu> When using these settings with Lucid the videos get rejected by youtube with fail to convert message, right now i'm on Live ubuntu 9.10 using again OpenShot and libx264 and mp4 and lame audio codec and the videos are being accepted by youtube
[00:11] <drdozer> penguin42: it's only 75G, although it does contain many source-code files and .svn clones and things... would have expected it to have been done by now
[00:11] <Daijoubu> any idea what may be causing this? Are the unstripped libs of libx264 different for 9.10 and Lucid ?
[00:11] <penguin42> drdozer: It can take a while to dig through big source directories - they're full of zillions of tiny files
[00:12] <drdozer> penguin42: I don't even want it to index them - they are in flux all the time and I don't ever want to locate things in there ;(
[00:12] <penguin42> drdozer: I suspect you can configure locate to avoid certain areas, never done it though
[00:13] <drdozer> cool, I will ask google
[00:16] <Daijoubu> Should i report a bug or something?
[00:17] <yofel> Daijoubu: the libraries are defenitely different as karmic has x264-67 and lucid has x264-85
[00:17] <Daijoubu> yofel, is it possible to install karmic libs on Lucid?
[00:18] <yofel> drdozer: I'm not sure how mlocate works, but the file indexer of nepomuk is strigi and can be turned off in system settings
[00:18] <Daijoubu> i don't want to reinstall everything and use karmic just because of these libs :(
[00:18] <yofel> drdozer: under advanced->desktop search
[00:19] <drdozer> yofel: I've edited /etc/updatedb.conf to be (hopefully) more sane - will leave it churning over-night and hope all will be well
[00:20] <drdozer> yofel: thanks - told nepomuk not to index ./devel where all my source is stored
[00:21] <penguin42> drdozer: having two things indexing your disk at the same time is probably not a good way to get speed out of either of them
[00:21] <drdozer> oh, as if by magic, all disk access has stopped - thanks for all your help
[00:22] <Blue11> wow updatedb runs in a few minutes on my machine
[00:22] <penguin42> yofel: Hmm, you'd think they'd be able to share database or at least search run with each other
[00:22] <penguin42> Blue11: If you have big source trees it can take a while
[00:22] <josephnexus> anyone here tried playing wesnoth on lucid yet?
[00:22] <josephnexus> i can't seem to click any of the menu items
[00:22] <Daijoubu> guys how can i install Karmic libs under Lucid ?:(
[00:22] <josephnexus> can someone confirm that?
[00:22] <Blue11> penguin42: ahh could be - I am in a desktop environ
[00:23] <yofel> penguin42: I don't think so, nepomuk uses virtuoso as database backend, and I'm pretty certain that locate does no
[00:23] <penguin42> Daijoubu: You might get away with one or two special ones, but you don't want to do it with ones used by lots of things
[00:23] <yofel> *not
[00:23] <RambJoe> how do i get the message/communications icon back in the panel, i accidentally deleted it
[00:23] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh but doing two runs over the entire disk asynchronously with each other is asking for stuff like this
[00:23] <RambJoe> without resessting it
[00:23] <RambJoe> it's not in the add to panel wtf
[00:24] <penguin42> RambJoe: Try adding indicator applet session and indicator applet
[00:24] <yofel> penguin42: it certainly is, but neither locate not strigi have any connection to each other and as long as the user doesn't have millions of files in $HOME as you said the effect isn't that large
[00:24] <Daijoubu> penguin42 i need the libavformat-unstripped-52 from Karmic under lucid because the lucid one makes videos not to be accepted by youtube
[00:25] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh I'm just wondering if they should get a bit connected
[00:25] <RambJoe> thanks
[00:25] <RambJoe> yay it worked :)
[00:25] <penguin42> Daijoubu: That's certainly worth a try, if you get the deb from the repository and then install it with dpkg -i it might go depending what other dependencies there are
[00:26] <Daijoubu> penguin42, awesome :) thanks i will try that
[00:26] <yofel> that depends on the kde developers, maybe they should at least make sure that strigi doesn't run at the same time as mlocate
[00:26] <penguin42> yofel: Of course then you could say it's the mlocate developers :-) I guess maybe it needs splitting into a thing that scans the disk and feeds it to everyone interested?
[00:26] <josephnexus> anyone up for installing wesnoth to confirm a bug?
[00:27] <RambJoe> if i'm still on beta 1 would have i got the X update which causes memory leaks?
[00:27] <yofel> yeah, especially as strigi does pretty much the same thing as mlocate does af far as I have seen till now
[00:29] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, do you have experience with crystalhd?
[00:30] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, does it require media players compiled specifically for it?
[00:30] <josephnexus> apparently the software center installs the old version of wesnoth even though the latest stable is also available in the repos...
[00:30] <josephnexus> also, funguloids is _still_ broken... any ideas on when that will be fixed?
[00:30] <josephnexus> it's visible in the software center, but isn't installable
[00:30] <yofel> !info wesnoth
[00:30] <josephnexus> !info wesnoth-1.8
[00:31] <new2linx> still having the CIFS VFS error when I shutdown the machine. Running updated lucid. created the K15umountnfs.sh as well as added the "umountnfs.sh" to /etc/gdm/PostSession/Default but I still get the error upon shutdown and it never happens.
[00:31] <josephnexus> hmm
[00:31] <josephnexus> maybe i'm seeing it from another repo
[00:31] <yofel> odd, wesnoth-1.8 is there here
[00:31] <josephnexus> yeah
[00:31] <josephnexus> something is a little messed up
[00:31] <josephnexus> i am removing 1.6.5
[00:31] <josephnexus> and installing 1.8 as it is the latest stable
[00:32] <josephnexus> 1.6.5 is unusable
[00:32] <josephnexus> as far as I can tell
[00:34] <josephnexus> so we'll see if 1.8 is usable
[00:34] <josephnexus> either way, both shouldn't be in the repo
[00:34] <josephnexus> and any news regarding funguloids?
[00:34] <josephnexus> !info funguloids
[00:35] <josephnexus> it isn't installable
[00:35] <yofel> let me try
[00:35] <josephnexus> thanks
[00:36] <penguin42> looks like a broken package
[00:36] <josephnexus> yup
[00:36] <josephnexus> it's been lingering in there with no way to install it for a few yrs now
[00:36] <josephnexus> it really is a great game
[00:36] <josephnexus> and it's a shame that there isn't any way for an ubuntu person to play it
[00:36] <yofel> nice, it depends on a package in debian but not in ubuntu o.O
[00:36] <josephnexus> without being a guru
[00:36] <Daijoubu> is there a painless way to remove libavformat52? It wants to uninstall all the players and melt and so on ?
[00:37] <penguin42> Daijoubu: Possibly not if they all say they depend on that version
[00:37] <Daijoubu> ._. oh well i hope ti doesnt destroy the entire system
[00:40] <yofel> WTF? bug 194686
[00:40] <yofel> this has been broken for ages o.O
[00:41] <josephnexus> yup
[00:41] <josephnexus> it's actually making ubuntu look pretty bad
[00:41] <josephnexus> it affects a handful of other packages too
[00:42] <josephnexus> IMHO it should have been fixed, or everything that depends on it should have been removed
[00:42] <yofel> I'll look into this later, but this seems to be an issue how packages are built on launchpad
[00:43] <Daijoubu> lol i'm in dependacy hell :D everything i remove Karmic libs need something else removed haha
[00:43] <yofel> a package does not under any circumstances require internet access to be built
[00:43] <josephnexus> think we might be able to have it fixed then and actually have it (and the other things that depend on it) installable?
[00:43] <josephnexus> i miss the game
[00:43] <josephnexus> :-(
[00:43] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: aptitude safe-upgrade is your friend
[00:43] <rmrfslash> Can someone explain how to install sun jre under Lucid?
[00:43] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo i'm trying to remove Lucid libs and replace them with Karmic ones :) is this the way to do it ?
[00:43] <rmrfslash> Are packages not ready?
[00:44] <arand> rmrfslash: You need to enable the canonical partenr repo
[00:44] <BUGabundo> rmrfslash: enable partner repo
[00:44] <arand> *partner
[00:44] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: not supported, even by a long shot
[00:44] <BUGabundo> then again, apt does it for you !
[00:44] <BUGabundo> you must have BOTH repo versions and then downgrade
[00:45] <BUGabundo> with a bit of apt magic that now eludes me
[00:45] <BUGabundo> something like apt-get install package/karmic
[00:45] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, i think'm i'm too noob for what you are suggesting so i will stick with trying to install packs and read what needs to be removed from the deb installer :D
[00:46] <rmrfslash> BUGabundo: thanks
[00:47] <Daijoubu> ok deadend ._.
[00:47] <acicula> Daijoubu: why do you want to downgrade libraries to karmic versions?
[00:47] <Daijoubu> acicula, because they work with youtube the Lucid ones make youtube to reject videos with libx264
[00:47] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: which browser?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> you are doing it WRONG
[00:48] <acicula> Daijoubu: you mean with html5 youtube and chromium?
[00:48] <BUGabundo> so stop messing with your system or no one will be able to help you
[00:48] <BUGabundo> chromium can play html5 (x264) in youtube
[00:48] <BUGabundo> FF can not
[00:48] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, ok i stoped :/ trying to find Karmic repository or tell me what to do, or if not i will go and install Karmic :/
[00:49] <BUGabundo> but you need chromium-codecs-extra
[00:49] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, no youtube rejects the videos after being uploaded with Failed to convert message
[00:49] <BUGabundo> ahh
[00:49] <BUGabundo> upload
[00:49] <BUGabundo> ok
[00:49] <BUGabundo> lets /clear
[00:49] <Daijoubu> yeah .__.
[00:49] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: start fresh
[00:49] <BUGabundo> what's going on. full details, one line, please
[00:50] <Daijoubu> ok
[00:52] <BUGabundo> 103 bug mails in one day :(
[00:52] <penguin42> BUGabundo: Wow, good going
[00:52] <BUGabundo> or not
[00:52] <BUGabundo> I just finished chromium bugs :(
[00:52] <BUGabundo> NEXT
[00:52] <BUGabundo> 628 unread from gwibber
[00:53] <Daijoubu> BUGabundo, i have clips with h264 video and aac audio codec, i am editing them with OpenShot and i'm using libx264 for video and the lamemp3 for audio encoders, under Lucid with installed libavformat-unstripped-52 the videos are being rejected by youtube with Failed to convert message, a second ago i was on my Live Karmic 9.10 usb stick where i installed the Karmic libavformat-unstripped and OpenShot and edited a movie the same way and published it wi
[00:53] <Daijoubu> th the same settings as in Lucid and the video was not rejected by youtube.So in other words the libavformat-unstripped-52 libs for Lucid have a problem with youtube and the Karmic libavformat-unstripped dont so i'm trying to get the Karmic ones on Lucid and end my 5 days of pain :D
[00:53] <penguin42> BUGabundo: I only have one page that doesn't render on chromium that does on ff, but it's difficult to know if it's a page bug or a chromium bug
[00:57] <BUGabundo> penguin42: I have that bug but on FF
[00:57] <BUGabundo> it losses sessions
[00:57] <BUGabundo> Daijoubu: thanks. please file a bug against that lib, and try to contact youbube
[00:57] <BUGabundo> could very well be on their side
[00:58] <yofel> josephnexus: ok: the issue is that to build ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager you need the nvidia-cg-toolkit which needs to download a tgz during the installation, which isn't possible on the launchpad buildds and the build fails
[00:58] <Daijoubu> sure... youtube are waiting to solve the linux libs problems haha :D
[00:59] <Daijoubu> oh god ._. ill give your suggestion of using the Karmic repository a try and if that doesn't work i guess i'll be reinstalling with Karmic :/
[00:59] <yofel> josephnexus: you can build the package locally if you want to try it though, that works
[01:02] <BiggFREE> Hi
[01:02] <IdleOne> Welcome BiggFREE :)
[01:02] <IdleOne> you are welcome to stay in #ubuntu also and help out but for lucid this is the place
[01:02] <BiggFREE> It is noted :)
[01:03] <BiggFREE> I will read for the moment.
[01:03] <IdleOne> :)
[01:03] <BiggFREE> Thanks
[01:03] <yofel> josephnexus: seems like we're waiting for debian to fix debian 502457
[01:07] <penguin42> yofel: That's not even  2 years old; that's young for a debian wishlist bug!
[01:08] <yofel> well, bug 284750 is a bit older, but it took a while to inform debian about this
[01:12] <BiggFREE> In terminal mode, the display is really bad with NDVIDIA
[01:12] <rmrfslash> Guys, huge problem here. I just unpacked the Android SDK and went to run the "adb" tool and the "etcltool" tool... while the tools are *there* and they are executable running these says "no such file or directory"
[01:12] <rmrfslash> when I run ./adb
[01:12] <rmrfslash> or ./etcltool
[01:12] <rmrfslash> but running the "android" tools works fine
[01:13] <rmrfslash> and the apkbuilder
[01:13] <Zelozelos> i can uninstall ibus right? will i still have the on-screen-keyboard if i do?
[01:13] <penguin42> rmrfslash: Now I've not looked at the tools; but are those designed to run on the host or on the android system itself?
[01:13] <rmrfslash> vim adb is fine too, I see the typical "ELF"
[01:13] <rmrfslash> on the host
[01:13] <rmrfslash> it's part of the android sdk
[01:14] <penguin42> rmrfslash: OK, that normally happens if the loader isn't found
[01:14] <rmrfslash> loader?
[01:14] <penguin42> rmrfslash: Yeh, dynamic elves use a loader (on 64bit it's /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2) - so what's the loader that one uses - probably the first thing in the output of strings
[01:15] <rmrfslash> ::: installing binutils :::
[01:15] <rmrfslash> maybe I need the 32 bit libs
[01:15] <penguin42> likely
[01:15] <rmrfslash>  /lib/ld-linux.so.2
[01:16] <rmrfslash> what's the apt-get command to install the 32 bit libs?
[01:16] <penguin42> yeh that's in libc6-i386
[01:16] <rmrfslash> I knew this @ one point
[01:16] <rmrfslash> isn't there a command to install all 32 bit libraries
[01:16] <penguin42> if you try apt-get install ia32-libs
[01:16] <rmrfslash> yes
[01:16] <rmrfslash> that's the one
[01:17] <rmrfslash> wow... that was scary :)
[01:17] <SluggerSlowOne> how do I get the new ubuntu theme?  This is an upgrade, but the new theme stuff didn't get completely applied.  I tried playing with the themes, and now it is all gone
[01:17] <BUGabundo> v0.10:
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Written for Lucid 10.04 (no warranty that older versions will be supported)
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Finally switched to Google Talk backend for instant mail notification (hopefully this time it'll last longer ;-) )
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Labels with a count of 0 will be hidden (except Inbox)
[01:17] <BUGabundo> - Sound properties work again
[01:17] <rmrfslash> never encountered that one
[01:17] <BUGabundo> :))))))
[01:17] <rmrfslash> usually I just get a failed to load library error
[01:17] <rmrfslash> isn't that the typical behavior?
[01:18] <penguin42> rmrfslash: Not if the loader is missing
[01:18] <Zelozelos> if i uninstall ibus will there be other consequences besides not being able to type on other languages (which i have no need for)
[01:18] <penguin42> rmrfslash: It's the loader that gives you that message
[01:19] <rmrfslash> I see
[01:19] <rmrfslash> works now :)
[01:20] <BiggFREE> What is an ibus ?
[01:21] <Zelozelos> it is for typing other characters like chinese symbols n such
[01:21] <BiggFREE> ty :)
[01:22] <Zelozelos> but idk if it has anyother functions for the os, like , is it responsible for the character map or are there parts of it used for any other things
[01:24] <Zelozelos> but im running out of hd space and i'm trying to uninstall everything i dont need/use
[01:27] <Zelozelos> lets see, in synaptic theres ibus, ibus-m17n, ibus-table, ibus-gtk, python-ibus and libibus1, any body know if i can remove all these w/o causing any harm?
[01:32] <Jordan_U> Zelozelos: Have you done apt-get clean yet?
[01:33] <Zelozelos> Jordan_U, no i didnt want 2 mess with it untill i knew what i was doing
[01:33] <Zelozelos> oh wait, apt-get clean?? whats that?
[01:34] <Jordan_U> Zelozelos: man apt-get
[01:35] <Clorox> Anyone know if theres support for 2nd Gen Ipod touch? -.-'
[01:35] <josephnexus> i don't know
[01:35] <Zelozelos> ahh ok Jordan_U good idea ;)
[01:36]  * josephnexus doesn't have an ipod.
[01:36]  * Clorox didnt want one, but got one for free -.-
[01:36] <josephnexus> ah
[01:36] <Jordan_U> Clorox: There is, it should work ootb with lucid (though you have to sync it with itunes at least once before to generate the initial database)
[01:37] <josephnexus> there you have it clorox
[01:37] <josephnexus> :-P
[01:37] <Clorox> Jordan_U: ootb?
[01:38] <josephnexus> out of the box
[01:38] <Pengyduckwin> Is there a way to get past the libgjs0 dependancy problem and install gnome-shell in lucid?
[01:38] <Clorox> ahh
[01:38] <josephnexus> meaning, plug it in and it should just work
[01:38] <josephnexus> either that, or something about orange orangutangs throwing boxes...
[01:38] <josephnexus> but I suspect it has more to do with just plugging it in and having it work
[01:38] <BUGabundo> 3
[01:38] <Clorox> but I cant put any music on it can I?
[01:39] <josephnexus> it should be drag + drop
[01:39] <Clorox> orly?
[01:39] <josephnexus> ya rly
[01:39] <Pengyduckwin> Clorox: It should be able to sync with rhythmbox, but I'm not exactly sure.
[01:40] <Pengyduckwin> along with drag and drop
[01:40] <Clorox> Tried rhythmbox already, It wont notice it.
[01:41] <Clorox> Well, drag and drop didnt work lol
[01:42] <Pengyduckwin> There was a certain library I came across on stumbleupon with all those features, and I just inferred that it would be built into lucid on release.
[01:42] <Pengyduckwin> libimobiledevice, I think
[01:43] <paultag> Hey hackers. I was playing with Ubuntu Netbook Edition, and I was messing with the panel. Everything is unwritable and locked. I want to remove the go-home applet and put a desktop switcher applet in ( I find GNOME unsable without multiple workspaces ). It would not work, so I opened up gconf-editor. It was showing "unwritable key". I looked in the gconf folder and explored the XML to do it by hand. Nothing in the .xml files. Any ideas?
[01:45] <Pengyduckwin> oh, look, libimobiledevice is in the repositories. Maybe it will be fixed once release comes around.
[01:46] <Zelozelos> paultag, so you cant right click and uncheck "lock to panel"?
[01:46] <paultag> Zelozelos, no. I gave that a shot off the bat
[01:46] <paultag> Zelozelos, it's 10.04 RC, Netbook
[01:47] <Jake2|cfl> 10.04...is there a place you can go to to see all installed programs and run them?
[01:47] <Zelozelos> did you try opening a terminal and giving yourself administrator privileges (im just guessing here)
[01:48] <paultag> Zelozelos, well gconf is user local, and I don't want to write my gconf with root privs, and the xml files are empty so I have a hunch it won't matter anyway
[01:48] <Pengyduckwin> paultag: have you deleted your panel config and restarted X?
[01:48] <paultag> Pengyduckwin, no, I have not
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> paultag, i've run into a similar issue with panel in UNE.  Have you tried using elevated privileges with gconf-editor?  No idea if it'll work, but it's what I'd try.  Good luck man.
[01:48] <Zelozelos> paultag, well im all out of guesses rofl
[01:48] <paultag> Heh
[01:48] <paultag> OK. Thanks ZykoticK9, Zelozelos
[01:48] <josephnexus> so I'm wondering about funguloids
[01:48] <josephnexus> i guess we're waiting on debian to fix something?
[01:49] <ZykoticK9> josephnexus, i believe it's been broken for a while in Lucid - believe i submitted a bug about it failing to install.
[01:49] <josephnexus> and if we are, then why is it available in the software center, shouldn't we remove it so people don't think that the software center is broken?
[01:49] <josephnexus> funguloids has been broken for a few yrs
[01:50] <josephnexus> bug 194686
[01:52] <Pengyduckwin> So, about my question, has anyone been able to install gnome shell?
[01:52] <yofel> ZykoticK9: this won't be resolved until debian 502457 is fixed
[01:53] <josephnexus> but yofel, shouldn't the package just be removed then
[01:53] <yofel> propably, vegastrike got removed, fungluids not, don't ask me why
[01:53] <josephnexus> so it doesn't make ubuntu look broken?
[01:54] <josephnexus> meanwhile, in debian I appear to be able to run it in lenny
[01:54] <Zelozelos> ubuntu isnt broken, its a beta ;)
[01:54] <josephnexus> zelozelos: this issue is in the last version, and the one before, and the one before
[01:54] <josephnexus> not just lucid
[01:55] <yofel> this is an issue with the launchpad buildds and how the nvidia-cg-toolkit package works
[01:55] <josephnexus> or a better option would be to just package it ourselves into universe or the like
[01:56] <josephnexus> i'm trying to manually grab the packages now from lenny to see if they work
[01:56] <Daijoubu> umm what's the meaning of this? libavformat-unstripped-52: Depends: libavformat-extra-52 (= 4:0.5+svn20090706-2ubuntu3+medibuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[01:56] <yofel> josephnexus: I just tried to build ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanger locally, works fine and funguloids installs fine too once that's installed
[01:56] <josephnexus> yofel, you on 64Bit?
[01:57] <josephnexus> and can you send me the deb package?
[01:57] <josephnexus> i'm willing to stick it on my blog
[01:57] <yofel> mom
[01:58] <yofel> josephnexus: http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/ogre-plugins-cgprogrammanager_1.6.4-1.1_amd64.deb
[01:58] <josephnexus> excellent
[01:58] <josephnexus> let's try this out
[01:58] <josephnexus> what's stopping from this being submitted to universe or the like?
[01:59] <yofel> it's not that package that needs to be fixed, it fails to build on launchpad due to nvidia-cg-toolkit failing to install
[01:59] <josephnexus> yes, but can't we have packages manually built?
[01:59] <yofel> no
[02:00] <yofel> you can only submit source packages for ubuntu
[02:00] <josephnexus> ah
[02:00] <IdleOne> Daijoubu: libavformat-unstripped-52
[02:00] <Zelozelos> which program was it thats like excel?
[02:01] <josephnexus> oocalc?
[02:01] <Daijoubu> IdleOne, Depends: libavformat-extra-52 but it is not going to be installed
[02:01] <josephnexus> gnumeric?
[02:01] <majnoon> how long before RC is "final" ??
[02:01] <IdleOne> Zelozelos: open office?
[02:01] <josephnexus> thurs 29
[02:01] <IdleOne> Daijoubu: what depends on it?
[02:01] <Daijoubu> it depends on itself and it's not going to be installed lol
[02:02] <Zelozelos> i guess, idk, i need to make some cells for calculating some stuff
[02:02] <josephnexus> oocalc would do it
[02:02] <Daijoubu> IdleOne, libavformat-unstripped-52: Depends: libavformat-extra-52 but it is not going to be installed
[02:02] <josephnexus> zelozelos
[02:02] <Zelozelos> ok thank you
[02:03] <IdleOne> Daijoubu: install it?
[02:03] <Daijoubu> IdleOne, when i try to install ti says libavformat-unstripped-52: Depends: libavformat-extra-52 but it is not going to be installed
[02:03] <Daijoubu> *it
[02:03] <IdleOne> sudo apt-get install libavformat-extra-52 libavformat-unstripped-52
[02:03] <josephnexus> yofel, could you submit your package to the playdeb people?
[02:04]  * josephnexus hasn't tried it yet
[02:04] <Daijoubu> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[02:04] <Daijoubu>   libavformat-extra-52: Depends: libavcodec-extra-52 (< 4:0.5+svn20090706-99) but 4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installed                   Depends: libavutil-extra-49 (< 4:0.5+svn20090706-99) but 4:0.5.1-1ubuntu1 is to be installedE: Broken packages
[02:04] <josephnexus> i'm still installing the latest wesnoth to see if it fixed the problem with not being able to play
[02:04] <josephnexus> hmm
[02:04] <josephnexus> can't play wesnoth
[02:04] <Daijoubu> wraaaaaaaaa O-O installing Karmic >_>
[02:05] <josephnexus> yofel: any ideas there?
[02:05] <yofel> nope
[02:06] <josephnexus> are you experiencing the same issue?
[02:06] <yofel> I haven't tried playing wesnoth for quite a while
[02:07] <josephnexus> it's quite fun
[02:08] <josephnexus> :-P
[02:08] <The_Journey> why is icedtea plugin now activating any java applet?
[02:08] <josephnexus> The_Joyney, i'd suggest switching to sun-java
[02:08] <josephnexus> err... The_Journey
[02:08] <yofel> The_Journey: hm? icedtea is the java applet in ubuntu, what's the problem?
[02:09] <The_Journey> I'm trying on learningpoint.org
[02:09] <josephnexus> yofel... here comes the moment of truth... let's see if your package works
[02:09] <The_Journey> but the applet for me to get my grades aren't working
[02:09] <josephnexus> :-P
[02:10] <The_Journey> I keep getting on status bar Start: applet not initialized
[02:10] <quiritius> can anyone confirm this: log-in -- log-out -- enter a ttyN -- switch back to tty7 = no gdm screen. on tty7 only some text left from boot up…
[02:11] <BiggFREE> bbl
[02:11] <BiggFREE> tc
[02:11] <DanaG> !find libcrypto.so
[02:11] <yofel> The_Journey: ok, can you please file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug icedtea6-plugin' describing your issue? After that remove icedtea and install sun-java6-plugin from the partner repos
[02:12] <josephnexus> yofel... it seems to segfault on me when trying to start a game
[02:12] <DanaG> hmm, how do I auto-install all debug-symbols that are debug-symbols of DEPENDENCIES of a package?
[02:12] <yofel> josephnexus: I'm just installling updates, I'll try it after that
[02:13] <josephnexus> k thanx
[02:13] <The_Journey> yofel: I do not see sun-java6-plugi in Synaptic
[02:14] <yofel> The_Journey: check in software sources if the lucid canonical partner repos is enabled
[02:14] <The_Journey> yofel: yes it is checked
[02:15] <yofel> The_Journey: then try to refresh your package cache, it should be there
[02:17] <The_Journey> yofel: no I still do not see it
[02:18] <yofel> hm, odd it shows here in apt-cache policy as 6.20dlj-1ubuntu3 0 --- 600 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/ lucid/partner Packages
[02:18] <yofel> sun-java6-plugin
[02:18] <The_Journey> yofel: is there a deb package that I can download because I do not see the plugin package in synapti
[02:20] <yofel> The_Journey: download the packages you need from here: http://archive.canonical.com/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/
[02:20] <yofel> The_Journey: you'll need the plugin and at least the -jre
[02:20] <josephnexus> yofel:  i need to go, the error i'm getting has to do with ogre 1.6 being used, so there is a modification that needs to be made to funguloids to make it work... email me if yours fails to let you start a game (the program starts, but it doesn't let me actually play)
[02:21] <josephnexus> joseph(dot)brower_at_gmail_dot_com
[02:21] <yofel> noted
[02:21] <josephnexus> thanks a ton!
[02:21] <josephnexus> we're getting close
[02:21] <The_Journey> tyvm
[02:25] <bryanr> i am now
[02:25] <bryanr> sure of
[02:26] <bryanr> where i am to go
[02:26] <bryanr> for the rest of forever
[02:33] <Zelozelos> anyone in the mood to write a script? i want to see all the sizes for a 16:9 screen (example 32:18, 48:27, 64:32) up to around 1500:something?
[02:34] <Zelozelos> id do it myself but i dont have the faintest idea where 2 start
[02:34] <bryanr> Zelozelos, start by learning how to yourself. use documentation or tutorials which are available for free online
[02:35] <bryanr> knowledge is power.
[02:35] <bryanr> Zelozelos, wait is your problem ubuntu 10.04 specific?
[02:35] <bryanr> if so I am sorry
[02:36] <Zelozelos> naw its just a curiosity of mine
[02:36] <Zelozelos> ;)
[02:36] <bryanr> best way to learn though is to find existing scripts and edit them to do something different
[02:37] <bryanr> take note of what works and what doesn't. and try to figure out why they do or don't work
[02:37] <EruditeHermit> hey does anyone have experience with broadcom crystalhd?
[02:37] <Zelozelos> you're prolly right, i should know a little scripting anyhow huh,
[02:39] <yofel> that's a simple integer loop with multiplications in it. You can do that with just bash
[02:39] <arand> Zelozelos: for i in $(seq 1 10); do echo $((2*$i)); done   is a start ;)
[02:40] <Zelozelos> wha??
[02:40] <Zelozelos> rofl
[02:40] <Zelozelos> anyhow i gotta go 2 bed thanks arand
[02:40] <yofel> haha, that's already 60% of what you have to write :D
[02:41] <BUGabundo> yofel: still up?
[02:41] <BUGabundo> go to bed, right now
[02:41] <BUGabundo> mums orders!
[02:42] <Jordan_U> arand: {1..10} > $(seq 1 10)
[02:42] <rmrfslash> When I click on "Suspend to RAM" it just does a screen lock.
[02:42] <maco> rmrfslash: does "sudo pm-suspend --auto-quirks" work?
[02:43] <arand> Jordan_U: Stop being elegant!
[02:43] <rmrfslash> Well, I also want to say that setting Suspend to RAM on laptop lid close also does the same thing... just does a screen lock. Suspend to Disk works.
[02:44] <Blue11> my sound card sounds like Battle Star Gallactica mode has been enabled.  Fortunately sudo service cylons stop
[02:44] <rmrfslash> I just ran pm-suspend --quto-quirks
[02:44] <rmrfslash> *auto
[02:44] <rmrfslash> that did nothing
[02:44] <yofel> BUGabundo: will do in a few minutes, still waiting for something *sleepy...*
[02:45]  * BUGabundo snucks half glass of milk, down yofel throath and tucks him in bed
[02:45] <BUGabundo> night
[02:45] <yofel> :D
[02:45] <yofel> night
[02:45] <rmrfslash> maco: I didn't address you exactly, but I'll assume you saw my comments there ^^
[02:46] <LtHummus> If I install the RC, do I need to install the final again when it comes out or will installing updates bring me to the 10.04 final?
[02:46] <Blue11> LtHummus: it should just update
[02:46] <Blue11> to final
[02:46] <LtHummus> Blue11: excellent, thanks
[02:47] <rmrfslash> I don't even see an auto-quirks in the man page for pm-suspend
[02:47] <bryanr> I cannot choose between C# and C++.
[02:47] <Blue11> bryanr: flip a coin
[02:47] <BUGabundo> bryanr: python
[02:48] <bryanr> If I learn C# I will likely be able to get a job if I learn it well enough
[02:48] <bryanr> I also like C++ though, but I am not good enough to get a job as coder of it
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> err.. why is it one or the other?
[02:49] <bryanr> Because I am not open minded enough to learn both
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Ive tought my self the basics of several dozen languages over the years.
[02:49] <bryanr> I would get too twisted
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> then you proberly dont need to get a job programing if you cant learn both.
[02:49] <LtHummus> bryanr: split the difference and do Java
[02:49] <maco> rmrfslash:  did you use sudo?
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> It pays to have a broad background in things.
[02:50] <rmrfslash> yes
[02:50] <rmrfslash> nothing in syslog either
[02:50] <maco> rmrfslash: file kernel bug?
[02:50] <bryanr> I know so Dr_Willis. I wouldn't mind learning 4 languages if I ahd to
[02:50] <rmrfslash> not yet
[02:50] <bryanr> but time is short for me
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> bryanr:  sounds like you need to either spend more time off IRC.. or pick a different careere path perhaps.
[02:51] <bryanr> it is the same with everything Willis. I have sever ADHD or something
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> I know REXX, PERL, Python (a little), Bash scriptiong (more then python),  tads bit of C, and C++. then various  Machineing station type programing.
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> I used to Really Rock at REXX :)
[02:53] <rmrfslash> maco: you think I should file this under kpowersave?
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> and I could Kick Backside with CanDO :) years ago.
[02:53] <LtHummus> learn something that's only useful on one platform: Obj-C
[02:54] <LtHummus> that being said, Obj-C is a pretty awesome language
[02:54] <maco> rmrfslash: im guessing its a straight acpi bug which is the kernel, isnt it?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Never heard of it or used it.. but i bet with my C 'core knowledge' i could proberly understand the code to some degree. :)
[02:54] <bryanr> I want to make a program for Ubuntu using CPP. But most of the cool things have already been done
[02:55] <crdlb> Dr_Willis: you've never heard of Objective-C?
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> bryanr:  make a progrm that looks at a video file.. determines its settings, and then tells me the proper ffmpeg, and mencoder commands/options to  convert OTHER video files to be the same 'format/codec/res/fps' as the  'example' file...
[02:55] <LtHummus> Dr_Willis: Objective-C is a strict superset of C, so any C program is an Obj-C program, but that's really where it all ends
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> crdlb:  i dont code for a living. i dont even do much with pcs at work 'for a living'
[02:56] <crdlb> bryanr: there's always room for another text editor or music player ;)
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> Only coding i do at work is to run CNC machines. and i dont do that much any more.
[02:56] <bryanr> i like editors.
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> CNC programing.. now THATS fun. Make a mistake and a machine actually crashes.. with loud noises and sparks!
[02:56] <LtHummus> crdlb: bryanr: or an IRC app :)
[02:57] <bryanr> XChat is pretty good . hmm
[02:57] <bryanr> i will flip a coin on these ideas
[02:58] <LtHummus> bryanr: have you had any experience programming?
[02:58] <bp0> Perl, not PERL
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> COMAL!
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> LISP
[02:58] <LtHummus> JAVA
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Forth, Fortran!
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Hypercard!
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> Learn them all.
[02:58] <rmrfslash> submitted
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> well perhaps not hypercard. :)
[03:00] <rmrfslash> guess I'll be doing "suspend to disk" until that baby is fixed.
[03:00] <rmrfslash> or shutting down :-/
[03:01] <bryanr> yes Lthummus
[03:01] <bryanr> C#, a wittle bit of python, and a decent amount of CPP
[03:01] <bryanr> but as for long term experience I am still beginner
[03:02] <bryanr> although I find it easy to learn new things. I have a big problem planning out my projects at times
[03:02] <bryanr> anyway the coin-flip ruled in favor of the text editor / movie reader
[03:02] <LtHummus> bryanr: you should probably learn more on the design aspects of programming
[03:03] <LtHummus> that is if you have problems planning large projects
[03:03] <LtHummus> since it's an important skill in the real world and will go a lot further than brushing up on any given language
[03:04] <bryanr> should I get the UML package from the software center you think, LtHummus?
[03:04] <bryanr> it helps plan this stuff out right?
[03:04] <Dr_Willis> if you have next to no programing skills/knowledge. I would have to suggest learning Python first.
[03:04] <LtHummus> sure it helps plan stuff out, but an app that helps you draw boxes and lines won't help you learn how to look at a design and figure out what's good and what's bad
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Its handy, well documented, and  simple enoguht you an do things after learning the basics.. but powerfull enough to do bigger projects also.
[03:05]  * LtHummus agrees with Dr_Willis 
[03:05] <Blue11> is python compiled or interpreted?
[03:05] <bryanr> interpreted
[03:06] <LtHummus> Blue11: compiled
[03:06] <LtHummus> (at runtime)
[03:06] <Blue11> well that would make it an interpreter then
[03:06] <Blue11> please tell me it's better then the basic I used in skewl
[03:07] <bryanr> python is decent
[03:07] <Blue11> i know old languages, like fortran, cobol, pl/i
[03:07] <LtHummus> Blue11: not quite....interperted/compiled really applies to a given implementation of a language and not the language itself
[03:07] <bryanr> but I like games/hacking games and so the abilities of a language like CPP attracts me
[03:07] <Blue11> LtHummus: correct - but if it's compile at runtime then it's intrepreted
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Python is/can be both compiled and interperted. :)
[03:07] <Dr_Willis> Not that it matters much these days with our uber-piowerfull pc's :)
[03:08] <LtHummus> Blue11: I suppose, but then under that definition, Java is interpreted as well
[03:08] <Blue11> LtHummus: in my world, yes
[03:08] <LtHummus> and heck, every language is interperted since all the opcodes and such are interperted at runtime by the CPU ;)
[03:08] <Blue11> LtHummus: not true, some compilers generate machine code --
[03:09] <LtHummus> ok, fair enough...i'm just being painfully pedantic at this point :-p
[03:09] <Blue11> ditto
[03:10] <Blue11> writing parsers for any language however, is NON-trivial
[03:10] <thisguykills> hi guys
[03:10] <thisguykills> I need some help with wireless
[03:10] <Dr_Willis> wonder if this will make it into 10.10 -> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/how-to-install-gloobus-preview-in.html
[03:10] <Blue11> thisguykills: what's up?
[03:11] <thisguykills> I have no internet on a netbook, because I need the broadcam update for wireless
[03:11] <etzerd> how to upgrade from bata2 to RC?
[03:11] <thisguykills> is there any way I can download them on this computer running 9.1 and transfer them?
[03:11] <Blue11> etzerd: it will automagically upgrade
[03:12] <Blue11> thisguykills: you could hook to a router, it should have an ethernet card, yes?
[03:12] <etzerd> should I go to console and type apt-upgrade?
[03:12] <thisguykills> I tried connecting it to a router via ethernet cable, but it just loaded and said internet dissconnected
[03:12] <Blue11> etzerd: naw, the update mangler will handle that -- I'm too lazy
[03:13] <Blue11> thisguykills: what kind of ethernet card?  Hint -- lspci
[03:13] <Blue11> get something back like this:  00:09.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
[03:14] <etzerd> Blue11: thanks
[03:14] <Blue11> etzerd: np
[03:14] <thisguykills> Bluell: how would I find out?
[03:14] <Blue11> thisguykills: do an lspci on the machine, and it will tell you the ethernet card it's using
[03:15] <thisguykills> !lspci
[03:15] <thisguykills> fail
[03:15] <thisguykills> haha what is lspci?
[03:15] <MTughan> List PCI
[03:15] <thisguykills> how would I go abouts doing that
[03:15] <Blue11> lists all pci devices
[03:15] <thisguykills> in terminal?
[03:15] <Blue11> yup
[03:17] <thisguykills> ethernet controller: Broadcom Netxtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
[03:17] <Blue11> look for something that says like "Ethernet Controller" and copy/paste the line here.
[03:17] <Blue11> thisguykills: and you ru running the ubuntu 10.04 beta?
[03:17] <Blue11> !hcl
[03:18] <Blue11> hmm that card is not listed in the hcl
[03:19] <Blue11> thisguykills:  nor are any broadcom wlan cards -- so you'd have to go to the manu. site
[03:19] <thisguykills> the Hardware drivers app says I need Broadcam B43 Wireless driver update
[03:20] <thisguykills> manu site?
[03:20] <Blue11> manufacturer's site - (easier to type)
[03:20] <thisguykills> oh haha
[03:20] <thisguykills> so do I just download the driver and transfer it via usb?
[03:21] <Blue11> thisguykills: I have no experience in doing that - perhaps someone else --
[03:21] <Blue11> thisguykills: theorhetically yeah
[03:21] <thisguykills> wait I think I found the download
[03:22] <thisguykills> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=915449
[03:22] <Blue11> kewlness
[03:22] <thisguykills> would that do it?
[03:22] <thisguykills> I downloaded from the second post
[03:23] <Blue11> yeah if it's a tar file then just untar it and install
[03:24] <thisguykills> ok I'll tell you if it worked in a minute
[03:25]  * Blue11 waits for thisguykills patience to be rewarded
[03:25] <gundy> Do the daily build stop now that there is an RC?
[03:26] <Blue11> gundy: not that I am aware of. I d/l a bunch of updates today
[03:26] <Blue11> gundy: oh daily builds - that I don't know
[03:26] <gundy> right, but it doesn't look like there are full ISOs for today.
[03:27] <underdev> 105 updates today
[03:27] <Blue11> underdev: I think I got like 56 today
[03:27] <gundy> Blue11, I want to test, but I can DL the RC and then update.  There is a bug in the installer that will only work right when they re-roll ISOs.
[03:27] <gundy> Like they might for a daily build.
[03:28] <gundy> s/can/can't
[03:28] <Blue11> gundy: I installed from the alpha release several seeks ago
[03:28] <Blue11> let me seee if I have that iso hanging around
[03:30] <gundy> The bug I'm worried about is in parted, so it would have to be fixed in the ISO/installer, not simply via updates.
[03:30] <Blue11> gundy: nope I nuked the iso once I burned it.
[03:30] <Blue11> gundy: can't you use an earlier live cd to handle the parted part?
[03:31] <gundy> I'm sure I could.  I was just hoping to make things easy.
[03:32] <Blue11> gundy: sometimes you have to take 2 steps back, to take 1 step forward -- so seems life at times.
[03:33] <underdev> does life consist entirely of reinstalling ubuntu?  sometimes it seems that way...
[03:33] <Blue11> underdev: no that's windows - but I have done a fair share of schellping with linux
[03:34] <Blue11> underdev: i couldn't recover linux after a windows install, so I was forced to re-install linux
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> given all the stuff ive been beta testing/installing for confirming bug reports.. i will do a reinstall.
[03:34] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: yup
[03:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive had to reinstll windows to 'recover' from .NET not working properly
[03:35] <underdev> oh, it's all my fault.  Either i want 32 bit when i have 64 bit, or i'm screwing with grub2, or...
[03:35] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: do you know if they fixed the memory leak problem, or did they revert?
[03:35] <underdev> installing lucid...
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  news sites say they fixed it
[03:35] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: woo hoo
[03:35] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/xorg-memory-leak-bug-in-ubuntu-1004-fix.html
[03:36] <Dr_Willis> Besides the X.Org Memory Leak bug (marked as critical), 2 other bugs were fixed with this update: #565903  (medium) and #550218  (high).
[03:37] <gundy> Blue11, story of my life.
[03:38] <thisguykills> Bluell
[03:38] <thisguykills> I transfered the files, but I dont know where to put them so they will install
[03:39] <Blue11> thisguykills:  that's a Dr_Willis question its been a long time since Ive screwed with drivers
[03:39] <harrisony> yay the upgrade from karmic to lucid has failed horribly :D now to work out whats wrong
[03:39] <underdev> lol- with all the complaining from apple, i've assumed the horrible memory leaks were from flash
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> Apple is good about talking out of both sides of their mouths. ;)
[03:40] <underdev> that's some good reverse-pr there
[03:40] <Blue11> it looks like they removed the patches and went back to 1.2 -
[03:40] <Dr_Willis> apple and adobe still fighting --> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8639240.stm
[03:40] <Blue11> and M$ is good a blowing smoke up people's behinds!
[03:40] <underdev> but yeah, i'm having horrible memory leaks
[03:41] <thisguykills> sorry my internet f'ed up
[03:41] <Blue11> the origin of the phrase "blowing smoke up someone's ass!"  -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_enema
[03:41] <harrisony> can't even get a shell in recovery mode
[03:41] <thisguykills> so where do you think I can put the files to install them
[03:41] <Dr_Willis> what files?
[03:41] <harrisony> plymouth main process killed by segv signal
[03:42] <thisguykills> I transfered the B43 broadcom wireless drivers onto a computer that needs them
[03:42] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: can you help thisguykills - the last time I futzed with untarring drivers, was in my suse days..
[03:42] <thisguykills> but I cant for the life of me figure out how to install them
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> I havent messed with source code drivers in some years wither
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> unp foo.tgz
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> cd foo
[03:43] <Dr_Willis> more readme :)
[03:44]  * Blue11 goes awk - back in ahile breaktime
[03:44] <thisguykills> so does anyone know how I would go about doing this?
[03:44] <harrisony> ok now I get the error "Adding somenumber k swap on /dev/sda5, Priority:-1 extends:1 across: somenumber k"
[03:44] <Blue11> loni might
[03:44] <harrisony> and hangs, any ideas?
[03:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. My broadcom worked out of the box I think.
[03:45] <Viper1432> thisguykills,   have you looked here:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx  ??
[03:45] <thisguykills> no not yet
[03:45] <Dr_Willis> I would run a long cable to get the pc onto the internet for a short time. and use the package tools. :)
[03:45] <thisguykills> ill check it out
[03:45] <Viper1432> thisguykills,  go through that page.  several different ways to get things going with broadcom...plus installing assistance.  ;)
[03:45] <thisguykills> I tried connecting it via ethernet and it loaded, but then said internet disconnected
[03:48] <harrisony> how do I disable it trying to load swap?
[03:49] <Jordan_U> harrisony: sudo swapoff -a
[03:49] <Dr_Willis> thisguykills:  clarify that last statement.. You mean to say that Wired networking did not work at all?
[03:49] <thisguykills> no it didn't
[03:50] <thisguykills> I might have connected the wrong wire to it though
[03:50] <harrisony> Jordan_U: yeah I know that but I don't have a shell. system is hanging when trying to add swap, any way I can do it via the command line?
[03:50] <Jordan_U> thisguykills: What exactly did you transfer? There are a few different things you could be talking about.
[03:50] <Dr_Willis> you could boot live cd. and alter the /etc/fstab and disable swap entry
[03:51] <thisguykills> I tried plugging it in directly from the wall
[03:51] <thisguykills> but I forgot that that was a phone line
[03:51] <thisguykills> and I think at that point I messed up the internet
[03:51] <Viper1432> thisguykills,  lol
[03:51] <harrisony> Dr_Willis: thats my next plan :)
[03:51] <thisguykills> so when I connected the other cable it didnt work
[03:51] <thisguykills> because now my wireless doesnt work
[03:51] <thisguykills> lol
[03:51] <thisguykills> I'm using my neighbors
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> You fit a phone jack into your network jack?
[03:52] <thisguykills> no i put it in the phone jack
[03:52] <thisguykills> haha
[03:52] <thisguykills> then I was like, oh crap wrong thing
[03:52] <Dr_Willis> You managed to force a Cat-5 plyg into a Phone jack? thats even harder to do...
[03:53] <thisguykills> no I put a phone cord into a phone jack
[03:53] <thisguykills> my netbook has a phone jack input thingy
[03:54] <thisguykills> im confused on the link you game me  viper
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> Your netbook has an actual Dial up Modem?
[03:54] <Dr_Willis> Not seen that on one.
[03:54] <thisguykills> it says to type :/dkms/$ sudo dpkg -i dkms*
[03:55] <thisguykills> when I type that it gives me an error
[03:55] <Viper1432> thisguykills, don't surf those instructions....read em.  oh and you need to be in the right sub directory (where you untarred the files before you run that dkms stuff.
[03:55] <harrisony> my eee 701 has a dial up modem port
[03:55] <harrisony> no modem in it though
[03:55] <Dr_Willis> its saying to install all the packages that start with dkms.. so you do have such files? and only proper packages?
[03:56] <thisguykills> I have a folder that is supposed to be the drivers
[03:56] <thisguykills> it has no dkms
[03:57] <Viper1432> thisguykills, ....did you notice that part was for installing from a livecd?
[03:58] <Viper1432> from this directory:  ../pool/main/d/dkms
[03:58] <iflema> thisguykills the install media for netbooks is usually a usb thumbdrive. how did you install ubuntu to this netbook?
[03:58] <Viper1432> the very first step in those instructions was this: Navigate the install media and install the following packages in a terminal:
[03:59] <thisguykills> wait what
[03:59] <Viper1432> oh and I did mean to say:  livecd/usb
[03:59] <thisguykills> Im such a noob at this stuff
[03:59] <thisguykills> yeah i installed it from a usb
[03:59] <iflema> thisguykills that is what contains the those files listed
[04:00] <thisguykills> oohh
[04:00] <Dr_Willis> so You made a 'bootable usb flash drive' with some tool (what tool?) and used that to install to do a real/normal install to a pc. ?
[04:00] <thisguykills> I used an ubuntu sponsored thing
[04:00] <thisguykills> i forgot what it was called
[04:00] <thisguykills> unetbootin
[04:00] <thisguykills> thats it
[04:01] <Dr_Willis> Thats not really ubuntu-sponcered. :) but it works vey well
[04:01] <Viper1432> Dr_Willis,  he just spaced out where to navigate to install the dkms stuff he needs to install the bc wifi drivers.
[04:01] <Viper1432> from this page:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx
[04:01] <iflema> thisguykills those instructions are for the STA hybrid driver... whats the model of ya wlan card?
[04:02] <Viper1432> iflema,  don't over do it.  he said he had the bc43 broadcom drivers.  the first steps on the doc page are to lspci and id them.  if he did that....shrugs.
[04:03] <Viper1432> he needed help installing the drivers, and that page walks you through doing just that.
[04:03] <thisguykills> would that be my network controller?
[04:03] <thisguykills> if so its broadcom BCM4309
[04:03] <thisguykills> i just lspci'ed it
[04:03] <NinoScript> If I have been updating frequently, I have the RC, right?
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> yes
[04:04] <Dr_Willis> Thats how the package manager ystem works :)
[04:04] <darthanubis> gotta love the update
[04:04] <NinoScript> nice :)
[04:04] <darthanubis> scrabbling for the release at release time never made sense to me
[04:05] <darthanubis> just keep current update?
[04:05] <Viper1432> yeppers darthanubis
[04:06] <Viper1432> and that's the right page for you thisguykills  if your lspci indicates bcm4309.
[04:07] <NinoScript> I wanted to try Gnome-Shell, but some packages didn't install and now when I do an update or install/uninstall anything I get this:
[04:07] <Daijoubu> Guys i want to report that the problem with libavform and youtube is not because of Lucid, it's because of Opera browser nto uploading the videos correctly, although youtube reports them as being uploaded successfully.Just installed 9.10 and used Firefox, everything works, Using Opera = Failed to convert file.
[04:07] <hellyeah> i have a problem
[04:08] <NinoScript> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:08] <NinoScript>  docbook-xsl
[04:08] <NinoScript>  gtk-doc-tools
[04:08] <NinoScript> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[04:08] <Daijoubu> So there's no bug in the libavform unstripped for lucid (i hope, will install lucid now and see if there's a problem when uploading with firefox)
[04:08] <Viper1432> iirc gnome-shell needs to be installed from a ppa to work properly...which one are you using NinoScript ?
[04:09] <Dr_Willis> gnome-shell has had all sorts of issues  lately
[04:10] <NinoScript> Viper1432, http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell#Building curl, shell script, then jhbuild
[04:10] <Viper1432> definitely...not from a ppa then.  lol
[04:11] <NinoScript> but I don't think the problem has something to do with that
[04:11] <kklimonda> NinoScript: do apt-get -f install and see what does it propose as a fix
[04:13] <NinoScript> kklimonda, same error :S
[04:13] <Volkodav> anybody converted from ext4 to btrfs ?
[04:13] <kklimonda> NinoScript: then paste full error log somewhere (for example pastebin.com)
[04:13] <Viper1432> I installed gnomeshell from this ppa:  https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing  and while buggy...it does work in lucid.
[04:14] <hellyeah> what is btrfs
[04:14] <kklimonda> a fs of teh future!
[04:14] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  new file system similar to ext4  with new wizbang stuff.
[04:14] <hellyeah> is it better than ext4
[04:15] <Viper1432> no...because its still in a 'beta' state.  -lol.
[04:15] <NinoScript> pastebin.com/GtUDBDYz
[04:15] <kklimonda> hellyeah: depends on your definition of better
[04:15] <hellyeah> hmm
[04:15] <kklimonda> hellyeah: the author of ext4 said that btrfs is the future
[04:15] <hellyeah> performance stability consistency and etc.
[04:15] <hellyeah> hmm
[04:16] <Viper1432> keyword: future.   www.phoronix has been doing testing with it though.
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> most benchmark sites/hardware sites also mention it doing good..
[04:16] <Dr_Willis> of course they also gave good ratines to ext4... but now it   not so  clear.
[04:16] <arand> hellyeah: Although currently, btrfs isn't really faster or more stable, but promises to become.
[04:16] <hellyeah> arand,  hope
[04:17] <Dr_Willis> I will stick with ext3/4 for now. and watch how btrfs develops
[04:17] <NinoScript> kklimonda, it says something about not being able to configure
[04:17] <Volkodav> looks like rollbacks are possible with it too
[04:17] <kklimonda> NinoScript: check bug 512096 for workarounds
[04:17] <hellyeah> developer of btrfs gives a date to finish their work
[04:17] <arand> hellyeah: the snaphotting features is enough to make me weep of joy though.
[04:18] <hellyeah> i dont know snaphotting feature what is it
[04:20] <arand> hellyeah: Snaphot the filesystem at some point, revert completely when things go bad, it's like windows restoration points but actually useful.
[04:20] <hellyeah> hmm
[04:20] <hellyeah> ii got it
[04:23] <hellyeah> if you allow i want to meantion my problem i am in ubuntu lucid and i am using compiz naturally but some plgun works some plugin not despite it is enabled
[04:23] <hellyeah> i start using lucid 2 months
[04:23] <Viper1432> which plugin hellyeah ?
[04:24] <hellyeah> but this problem still stays do you have an idea about that
[04:24] <hellyeah> well for example wobby windos
[04:24] <hellyeah> some animation works some is not for example animation for menu is not wkring but animation for windows works
[04:24] <Dr_Willis> wobbly windows has options as to what to wobble i recall
[04:25] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  do you have the  CCSM manager installed, or are you using the base "appearance" to turn it on?
[04:26] <hellyeah> i have ccsm but i dont have any idea about base appearence
[04:27] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  I was referring to the basic ubuntu way of using compiz through the appearance section.  if you're using the CCSM, then you have much better control over effects.
[04:27] <hellyeah> ha
[04:27] <hellyeah> yes
[04:28] <Viper1432> okay, what do you mean by menu appearance vs. window appearance?
[04:28] <hellyeah> it is on the custom option
[04:29] <hellyeah> for example when i am in debian or ubuntu 9.04 i click application place or system and i see different animation
[04:29] <hellyeah> i told windows for example nautilus,firefox i mean application
[04:30] <NinoScript> how do I join irc://irc.gnome.org/#gnome-shell in XChat? I just get a screen to choose a server, but there's not irc.gnome.org on that list
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> You can set different animations for diffrent windows/kinds of windows
[04:30] <Viper1432> then you would need to adjust the "animations" in CCSM.  It has custom settings for different actions hellyeah .
[04:30] <Dr_Willis> NinoScript:  add the server to xchat's  server listings.. or use the /connect servername  or /server servername command
[04:31] <hellyeah> yes i set all is in random
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> Guess he figured out the server. :)
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> random animations.. thta gets old real fast :)
[04:31] <Dr_Willis> use the Fire or explosion for close. :)
[04:32] <hellyeah> Viper1432,  i know standart procedure it is not really working
[04:33] <hellyeah> i dont understand the reason
[04:33] <hellyeah> may be all compiz package doesnt have same version
[04:33] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: explosion ftw
[04:33] <hellyeah> i was in trouble when i am in debian about different version on compiz packages
[04:34] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  did you upgrade from karmic to lucid or is this a clean install?
[04:34] <hellyeah> clean install
[04:35] <Viper1432> hmmm.  almost sounds like a permissions problem.  I had a similar issue with gnome and it turned out that a .config file was set to 'root' as owner instead of me.  you might want to check the .config/compiz folder to see if you 'own' them.
[04:35] <Viper1432> failing that hellyeah you may definitely want to submit a bug report as after all...we're still in pre-release land. :D
[04:38] <hellyeah> i dont know how can i tell but it is serious problem
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> that no one else seems to have ? :)
[04:39] <Dr_Willis> as a test.. make a new user. see if it affects them.
[04:39] <Viper1432> hellyeah,  you can open nautilus to your home folder.  then ctrl+h to view hidden files.  open the .config folder and look.  if you see a 'lock' on the compiz folder...first clue.  right click the folder and look at the permissions tab.
[04:40] <Viper1432> then go into the compiz folder and look at the files inside there.  if no locks...then not a permissions issue.
[04:40] <Viper1432> I'd tell you how to look at it via command line, but easier via nautilus if you're not as familiar with stuff.
[04:41] <hellyeah> permission sets true
[04:42] <Viper1432> frack. real life interuptus.  bb
[04:42] <Dr_Willis> apt-get remove reallife
[04:43] <Viper1432> :D  if only Dr_Willis  if only.  :D
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> apt-get upgrade wife
[04:43] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:43] <Dr_Willis>  /cls
[04:44] <coz_> Dr_Willis,  she is asleep right? lol
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> apt-get upgrade wife  --> 'wife removed... have a nice day'
[04:44] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:45] <hellyeah> but i suppose ubuntu popularity gets priority than wife popularity :d
[04:46] <NinoScript> in the gnome-shell channel, they told me that I should be doing curl+script+jhbuild instead of the PPA :D
[04:47] <arand> NinoScript: Of course, they want you to test the very latest stuff, and produce bug reports ;)
[04:47] <hellyeah> what is gnome-shell
[04:47] <hellyeah> :D
[04:48] <arand> !info gnome-shell
[04:48] <NinoScript> arand, that's what I thought :P
[04:48] <clorox_> :D
[04:48] <hellyeah> what is the difference between gnome-terminal and gnome-shell :dd
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> shell is not a terminal.. its just badly named...
[04:48] <Dr_Willis> :)
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> its a 'shell' as   a 'tool you interact with to work with the underlaying os'
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> not a 'shell' as in 'bash/sh/dash/fish/'
[04:49] <arand> hellyeah: shell is a desktop envirunment/window-manager comparable to metacity/compiz
[04:49] <Dr_Willis> !info fish
[04:49] <d34dh4ck> anyone here usr snes9x-gtk?
[04:50] <d34dh4ck> use*
[04:50] <Dr_Willis> d34dh4ck:  ive used the snes emulators in the past..
[04:51] <d34dh4ck> both snes9x-gtk and gfceux will not let me configure joypads, snes9x segfaults, and gfceux just dont bring up the configuration (press key) windows
[04:51] <d34dh4ck> using 64bit lucid up to date
[04:52] <d34dh4ck> also tried rebuilding them with apt and still no luck
[04:52] <bryanr> wow
[04:52] <bryanr> i thought windows programming was event driven. but it looks like gtk+ for ubuntu uses the same kind of stuff.
[04:52] <bryanr> right?
[04:53] <NinoScript> d34dh4ck, I use that one! :D
[04:53] <Jordan_U> bryanr: All GUI programming is event driven, it's inherent.
[04:53] <d34dh4ck> NinoScript: you having problems as well?
[04:54] <NinoScript> d34dh4ck, problems with joypads? I have no joypad :(
[04:55] <d34dh4ck> i just switched from arch cause of the way it was handling some libs which caused problems with compiling dolphin, and they both worked fine 64bit and all there
[04:55] <hellyeah> i will smoke jorum black :D
[04:55] <bp0> zsnes is the best snes
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> zsnes wont work on 64bit
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> gsnes seems a LOT slower now then it should be. i just tried it.. it worked.. i remaped the keys on the keyboard.
[04:56] <hellyeah> 64 bit goes to hell
[04:56] <Dr_Willis> but dident try a gamepad. (i dont have one handy)
[04:57] <bp0> damn, you're right
[04:57] <bp0> why no zsnes for 64?
[04:58] <d34dh4ck> devs havent made for 64bit yet
[04:58] <bp0> can the 32bit version be run instead?
[04:58] <d34dh4ck> i think it has something to do with their asm code, and i have compiled zsnes in a chroot before but i aint feeling like doing all that...lol
[04:59] <d34dh4ck> i can configure snes9x manually and run it from cli but it would be nice if the gui worked as well
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> zsnes uses assembly code i recall. thats not really portablt to 64bit
[04:59] <Dr_Willis> snes9x seems to be working here.
[04:59] <bp0> snes9x sucks
[05:00] <Dr_Willis> except its real slow. :)  perhaps thats a compiz issue
[05:00] <d34dh4ck> damn...wonder whats up with it here...
[05:00] <d34dh4ck> possibly...i havent really ever had any issues with slow with it though...
[05:00] <d34dh4ck> course i use a quad core set up so i shouldn't
[05:04] <Dr_Willis> it did crashj just now as i was changeing some settings..  and its still slow with compiz off.
[05:05] <d34dh4ck> yea soon as i hit apply it seg faults...
[05:05] <d34dh4ck> just noticed it wasn't just for joypads
[05:05] <d34dh4ck> that was just what i tried first...lol
[05:05] <Dr_Willis> i was able to change a lot of settings.. but  after trying all sorts of them. eventually i did make it crash
[05:06] <d34dh4ck> hmm...i dont even have to change anything i just hit apply or ok and it segs
[05:07] <gundy> Where did the txt version of the Desktop install go?
[05:07] <d34dh4ck> gdb didn't help none either just reported the mem location and reported a seg faut...lol
[05:08] <Jordan_U> !alternate | gundy
[05:09] <gundy> nice - thanks for the reminder.
[05:09] <Jordan_U> gundy: You're welcome.
[05:09] <bp0> how to get a 32bit package from the repo
[05:09] <bp0> in amd64
[05:09] <bp0> ?
[05:10] <d34dh4ck> you can download them manually from the repo in your web browser...
[05:11] <d34dh4ck> thass what i normally do if its just something small....
[05:12] <d34dh4ck> chroot is pretty easy to set up if you follow a couple guides out there...makes 32bit apps relatively easy to install...
[05:13] <pakete> hi all...just found out that about 1.5 gb disappeared...not installing much of updates...is there a way to free space?
[05:13] <pakete> where doest it go?
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> apt cache perhaps
[05:14] <fatum> The RC is probably the final build?  Probably only minor changes
[05:14] <SwedeMike> pakete: /var something, use cd /var ; du -s * to find it
[05:14] <SwedeMike> fatum: that's the idea.
[05:14] <Dr_Willis> fatum:  in theory - yes.
[05:16] <fatum> Are there many changes from beta #2 to the RC?
[05:16] <pakete> swedemike, it prints 1946908
[05:16] <SwedeMike> pakete: then you cd to that dir to find the files.
[05:16] <SwedeMike> pakete: it's in apt cache something, I doin't remember exactly
[05:17] <bryanr> I just installed ironpython but cannot find it
[05:17] <SwedeMike> pakete: /var/cache/apt/archives
[05:17] <bryanr> my mono install does not display any python related projects
[05:18] <pakete> it is still not that much of space as it has disapeared!
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> what was the command to purge the apt cache...
[05:19] <Dr_Willis> apt-get autoremove   ?
[05:19] <SwedeMike> no, autoremove removes packages no longer needed (looks at dependencies)
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> apt-get autoclean
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[05:20] <Dr_Willis> apt-get automaticallytakeovertheworld
[05:20] <SwedeMike> pakete: you can use du -s * in different places to find where you have a lot of disk usage
[05:21] <bp0> there is also accessories -> disk usage analyzer
[05:23] <Volkodav> was 2.6.32 patched for trim support or it is 33 and up ?
[05:23] <SwedeMike> according to wikipedia trim came in 2.6.33
[05:24] <Volkodav> does it really right though ?
[05:24] <Volkodav> work right *
[05:24] <SwedeMike> you need to google to find out, I'd imagine.
[05:24] <Volkodav> different thing pop up
[05:25] <Volkodav> some say it destroyed some info of the drive
[05:25] <Volkodav> was wondering may someone run 33 with trim or patched 32
[05:26] <pakete> cant find anything
[05:26] <pakete> autoclean doesnt clean
[05:27] <Jordan_U> Volkodav: If there were known data loss problems with trim it wouldn't be included in the stable kernel or Ubuntu.
[05:28] <Volkodav> it is not in stable ubuntu yet
[05:28] <bp0> last zsnes news jan '07
[05:29] <pakete> maybe
[05:29] <pakete> i prefer 9.10 for performance, if i didn have to use pptp
[05:30] <pakete> it is impossible to configure pptp in 9.10
[05:30] <pakete> because there is version mismatch
[05:30] <pakete> which is only installable for gnome as from 10.04
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> wow - apt-get autoclean - cleaned out a few GB of files :)
[05:36] <bp0> uhg, ok ive screwed up something
[05:37] <bp0> nothing would work in wine anymore, so i uninstalled wine, then reinstalled it, but the wine menu is not coming back
[05:37] <bp0> how do i get it back
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> uninstalling/reinstalling is windows thinking...
[05:38] <DanaG> Dual-Core AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 8214
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> actually uninstalling wine - shouldent of touched the users wine menus either
[05:38] <DanaG> er
[05:38] <DanaG> wrong tab in pidgin
[05:39] <bp0> yeah, i did that, when wine was removed there still existed the wine menu with all the items of windows software that was installed, but they were all broken
[05:40] <bp0> so i deleted it from the menu
[05:40] <bp0> then reinstalled win
[05:40] <bp0> also deleted ~/.wine
[05:40] <bp0> in between
[05:40] <bp0> hoping everything would be clean
[05:40] <bp0> but no
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> wine icons last i checked are in ~/.local/share/applications
[05:40] <Dr_Willis> Youmay want to clean that out also.
[05:41] <bp0> well wine is installed again, how do i get its menu back?
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> i rarely worry about the wine dir in the menus. it gets to cluttered. I tend to just use the command line/make launchers for what i need.
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> if you reinstall a windows app with wine. the menu may come back
[05:43] <bullgard4> Why do Ubuntu repositories not offer FreeNX  for download?
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> I would guess legal reasons or other reasons from the FreeNX project
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> or lack of a maintainer.
[05:48] <bp0> installing windows app did not resurrect wine menu
[05:49] <bullgard4> hm
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> perhaps run that alacarte menu editor and see if the wine menu is enabled.
[05:53] <bp0> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=4025416&postcount=4
[05:53] <bp0> thats really dumb
[05:53] <bp0> delete means delete forever i guess
[05:54] <bp0> worst part....  the menu contains all the old installed programs yet
[05:54] <bp0> wtf
[05:55] <bp0> this delete ... doesn't remove anything, it simply hides it forever?
[05:55] <bp0> never to be replaced
[05:56] <Ken8521> what are you trying to run in wine, that is giving you so many issues
[05:56] <shashi> hi
[05:57] <shashi> I amgetting this on lucid RC, "Modprobe for Tun driver failed", donno how to fix
[05:57] <gerryxiao> hello
[05:57] <gerryxiao> how to know my box is rc?
[05:58] <bp0> Ken8521, i had hulu desktop installed in wine, worked great for a while, then somehow precented wine from doing anything at all
[05:58] <shashi> as tun is built in Lucid, modprobe can't find it.... I want modprobe to be silent or know about it
[05:58] <Dr_Willis> gerryxiao:  update/upgrade.. and it is rc
[05:59] <Volkodav> How do I find out if trim was backported to 32 kernel ?
[06:00] <gerryxiao> Dr_Willis: i mean any command or docs to know whether i have upgraded to rc
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> !update
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..
[06:00] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, lsb_release -a   in a terminal will tell you if you're upgraded
[06:00] <Dr_Willis> If  you instlled  the beta/whatever  and kept updateing then you are using RC
[06:01] <bp0> Volkodav, only for btrfs
[06:02] <gerryxiao> Ken8521: lsb_release only told me it's lucid
[06:02]  * Volkodav to install .24 kernel then
[06:02] <DanaG> wow, anyone else notice java on this page using extremely high CPU usage? http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~matuszek/General/JavaVersionTests/JavaTests.html
[06:02] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, wel what more do you wnat to know?l.. if it says "Develpment Branch" then you're still using the beta,
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade, sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:03] <gerryxiao> it says: Release: 10.04
[06:05] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, well what more do you want to know?
[06:05] <gerryxiao> ok
[06:05] <Ken8521> you asked if the upgrade went ok, it appears it did.
[06:05] <gerryxiao> i don't know what's it says when it's beta
[06:05] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, don't you have to put a && between those?.. i'm a cli virgin, just curious
[06:06] <mxe5> Hi - Can't get Frostwire to run - Not sure if it's version of Java I have installed or what ? Here are a couple of screen captures of (1) run Error - http://bayimg.com/GAmlcaACb This is version of Java installed (2) http://bayimg.com/gAMldaAcb - Any suggestions would be welcome.
[06:06] <Ken8521> gerryxiao, i told you just a second ago, when its beta, it would say 10.04 (development branch)
[06:06] <gerryxiao> it seems java applet not work on firefox,chrome on my box
[06:06] <gerryxiao> Ken8521: ok, thx
[06:06] <Volkodav> indeterminate TRIM support - does that mean not fully ?
[06:07] <underdev> mxe5, you'll need to do three things
[06:07] <underdev> one sec
[06:07] <mxe5> underdev; Ok - Ready
[06:08] <gerryxiao> java plugin not work on my box, how to fix it?
[06:08] <shashi> try iced tea
[06:08] <underdev> gerryxiao: got you covered too, one sec
[06:08] <underdev> i wrote it down somewhere
[06:09] <Ken8521> shashi, can you have java and iced tea installed at the same time?
[06:09] <shashi> I don't know but I had the same issue, so I installed iced tea with open jdk
[06:09] <shashi> that helped me
[06:10] <underdev> okay:
[06:10] <mxe5> underdev: I thought I was the only one with that problem "Can't remember where I put that, etc."
[06:10] <underdev> sudo apt-get purge openjdk*
[06:11] <The_Journey> hi so I upgraded to Lucid Lynx, I heard there's a memory leak with Xorg, I did grep "object bytes" /sys/kernel/debug/dri/0/gem_objects and I got 187125760
[06:11] <underdev> then go into synaptic, system->admin->synaptic
[06:11] <The_Journey> does that mean memory is leaking?
[06:11] <underdev> The_Journey: yeah, it's leaking
[06:12] <The_Journey> underdev: how can I fix it
[06:12] <shashi> I amgetting this on lucid RC, "Modprobe for Tun driver failed", donno how to fix
[06:12] <mxe5> underdev: ok just got the - sudo apt-get purge openjdk* - done in terminal...
[06:12] <underdev> on the menu in synapic, choose Settings -> Repositories
[06:12] <SwedeMike> The_Journey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak
[06:12] <underdev> The_Journey: wait? :)
[06:13] <The_Journey> SwedeMike: that website does not have the solution posted
[06:13] <underdev> Go to other software, and check on the lucid partner repository
[06:13] <SwedeMike> The_Journey: how so? it says how to install test packages that they think will fix it.
[06:13] <mxe5> underdev: I already have that checked - ok
[06:14] <gerryxiao> underdev: you mean deleting openjdk instead of sun java?
[06:14] <underdev> y
[06:14] <The_Journey> SwedeMike: I tried but it did not fix it
[06:14] <underdev> then install sun-java6-jre and whatever else from the partner repo
[06:14] <gerryxiao> underdev: ok,i'll try it
[06:14] <underdev> this will get frostwire working
[06:14] <SwedeMike> The_Journey: that was an important fiece of information you omitted to tell.
[06:15] <SwedeMike> piece
[06:15] <underdev> and the plugin, if you install that too
[06:15] <The_Journey> well it didn't work
[06:15] <underdev> okay, i've done my good deed- i gotta run to the store.  good luck all
[06:16] <mxe5> underdev: How about - sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre - that be ok?
[06:16] <Ken8521> so removing openjdk, can be done w/o detrimental effect.
[06:16] <underdev> yes
[06:16] <mxe5> ok thanks man
[06:16] <underdev> Ken8521: yes, but install the sun-java6-jre
[06:16] <Ken8521> right
[06:17] <underdev> many things depend on the sun jre (including frostwire)
[06:17] <underdev> and will not work (yet) with the openjdk
[06:17] <underdev> please Oracle, don't fsck us on this :)
[06:17] <DanaG> openjdk does suck... it uses 100% cpu on that simple, static applet.
[06:18] <underdev> lol- my wife just pointed out if you search for "ascii art" on google, the google symbol changes to ascii
[06:19] <DanaG> viva la 100% CPU usage: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~matuszek/General/JavaVersionTests/JavaTests.html
[06:19] <mxe5> underdev: Yahoooooo - it's working great - Thanks to you
[06:19] <underdev> no problemo
[06:20] <mxe5> Ken8521: Thanks to you as well - just need the other java junk ripped out
[06:20] <Ken8521> ya
[06:20] <mxe5> I was ready to ditch this load and do a reload was getting really frustrated - :)
[06:21] <underdev> were livin on the edge here :)
[06:21] <mxe5> Now just gotta get a web cam to work...
[06:22] <mxe5> underdev: that's for sure
[06:23] <mxe5> If the latest version of Ubuntu is 5mins old - I want it for hardware support - right on the edge :)
[06:24] <shashi> I amgetting this on lucid RC, "Modprobe for Tun driver failed", donno how to fix
[06:24] <Ken8521> whats the tun ddriver?
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what TUN is.
[06:24] <mxe5> Still trying to get used to closing apps in the left corner -
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> I was thinking tun was some sort of network drivers for  virtualbox,
[06:25] <underdev> switching that is known as "Step 2" in an install :)
[06:25] <Ken8521> maybe, but i've never had to modprobe vbox network drivers
[06:25] <Ken8521> underdev, lol, step 1 for me
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> is this os running in virtualbox or somthing? or has vbox installed?
[06:26] <gerryxiao> purging openjdk* now
[06:27] <gerryxiao> apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[06:27] <gerryxiao> how to setup google-chrome src in lucid?
[06:29] <underdev> i would mention, that running chrome is much worse than the memory leak situation as far as memory is concerned
[06:29] <underdev> it blew my mind after seeing what chrome was doing
[06:30] <gerryxiao> is it bad than firefox?
[06:30] <underdev> love da chrome/chromium, but the fox is way easier on the ram
[06:30] <underdev> its far far worse than firefox (on ubuntu 10.04)
[06:30] <Ken8521> underdev, i was just noticing that myself... chrome caused my memory to spike to the max.
[06:31] <underdev> yeah, i put the system monitor on my panel to enjoy watching my 4 unlocked cores idle, and the memory graph has been full of surprises
[06:33] <underdev> $99 = proc + mobo w/ 710 south bridge = quadcore phenom 2 @ 3.6 Ghz :)
[06:33] <gerryxiao> mem usage of chrome seems not bad
[06:34] <underdev> i guess its ymmv
[06:36] <hmw> Good moorning
[06:37] <ddecator> morning hmw
[06:37] <ddecator> oh wow, i just tried to tab complete "morning"...
[06:37] <hmw> heheh
[06:37] <hmw> Welcome to the club of tired ubuntians
[06:37] <gerryxiao> why i have to delete pulseaudio to make sound work?
[06:38] <ddecator> you shouldn't need to..
[06:38] <hmw> you should hear, how my box tries to play the login sound
[06:38] <gerryxiao> ddecator: howto?
[06:39] <ddecator> gerryxiao: why do you want to remove pulse?
[06:39] <hmw> I couldn't figure out, how to make the login screen use a certain resolution... it seems, xorg.conf is ignored... any hints?
[06:40] <ddecator> i haven't figured out where gdm's config info is yet..
[06:45] <gerryxiao> ddecator: my sound not work, and i dont' know what's wrong, but after delelte pulseaudio, sound works fine
[06:45] <mxe5> Used to hear song play when you rested your cursor or arrow over a song in Karmic - Does this not happen in Lucid - or do I need to reset my folder settings or something ? ?
[06:46] <dragon> how do I find out what graphics card I have?
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> theres some extra packages I think you install for that feature mxe5
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> dragon:  lspci | grep VGA       perhaps
[06:46] <ddecator> yah, that should work
[06:46] <dragon> Dr_Willis: got it, thanks
[06:46] <ddecator> gerryxiao: hm, that's something crimsun would be better at answering
[06:46] <crdlb> mxe5: there's a setting for it in nautilus
[06:47] <mxe5> crdlb: Will go check - jes a sec.
[06:47] <crdlb> on the Preview tab
[06:48] <dragon> I have an i965 card and X freezes when I try to enable compiz. Is this a known issue? Is this related to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs/Lucidi8xxFreezes ? Here's the line from `lspci`: 00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[06:49] <Ken8521> dragon, compiz works ok for me w/ that device, but Intel has never been really good w/ Linux.
[06:49] <Ken8521> or Ubuntu anyways..
[06:50] <crdlb> I wouldn't go that far
[06:50] <Ken8521> crdlb, i guess i'm used to nvidia, maybe its an unfair comparison
[06:50] <dragon> Ken8521: alright, so I can rule out a hardware-specific known issue since it works for you.
[06:50] <dragon> Where do I start gathering info about this problem?
[06:50] <Ken8521> dragon, no idea, i hate compiz.
[06:51] <dragon> from `dmesg`: [   10.298350] [drm] MTRR allocation failed.  Graphics performance may suffer.
[06:51] <ddecator> Ken8521: blasphemy
[06:52] <Ken8521> ddecator, i think its silly.
[06:52] <mxe5> crdlb: Hmmm - checked but can't get it to work Any idea's?
[06:52] <ddecator> Ken8521: it allows me to be a LOT more productive =)
[06:52] <crdlb> mxe5: so it's not set to Never, I take it?
[06:52] <hmw> how can I change the console keyboard while using the live cd? i tried many things i found on google without succes
[06:52] <Ken8521> ddecator, how exactly is that?... all it is is eyecandy and a resource hg
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> my wife likes the zoom feature. and teh adhd/inverte colors feature
[06:53] <hmw> compiz makes me work faster
[06:53] <Dr_Willis> so its not ALL eyecandy.. just most of it :)
[06:54] <hmw> where is the quotation mark on an american keyboard?
[06:54] <dragon> What does "MTRR allocation failed" imply?
[06:54] <ddecator> Ken8521: grid and scale. i pres ctrl+alt+enter and see all open windows (scale), and grid allows me to place windows where i want on the screen
[06:54] <mxe5> crdlb: Under Edit/Preferences/Preview/Sound Files/ Set to "Always"
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  next to the enter key.
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> jkl;'
[06:55] <crdlb> mxe5: can gstreamer (eg totem) play the file?
[06:55] <mxe5> crdlb: I did have to change it - it was set to never - might have to do a restart
[06:55] <hmw> Dr_Willis: thanks
[06:56] <mxe5> crdlb: Yea they play jes fine in VLC my fav right now
[06:56] <crdlb> mxe5: vlc does not use gstreamer
[06:56] <hmw> xorg.conf seems to be totally ignored
[06:57] <Dr_Willis> !find biosdecode
[06:57] <mxe5> crdlb: Ah - let me go check in Synaptic an see if gstreamer is installed - might of missed that one.
[06:57] <crdlb> mxe5: it is installed for sure, but perhaps not the right codec
[06:58] <crdlb> if totem movie player can play the file, nautilus should be able to as well
[06:58] <mxe5> crdlb: yup which do I need you think? I have all of Medi stuff in repos etc.
[06:59] <crdlb> mxe5: totem should prompt you automatically
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> ive never had that totem-auto-install stuff work.
[07:01] <Ken8521> i can never get the video equalizer to adjust in totem, drives me crazy
[07:03] <hmw> can I change the resolution of the login screen? its way too high
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Never noticed a way to do that hmw
[07:05] <hmw> i used to set the "Modes" in xorg.conf in 9.04
[07:06] <iconmefisto> hmw: does the resolution change after you log in?
[07:06] <hmw> unfortunately, jaunty doesnt run compiz by default :(
[07:07] <hmw> iconmefisto: i am not sure, if i checked this. I could change resols in Gnome, though. Will check, when this current install is through
[07:07] <hmw> my CRT doesnt like 1600x1200 really... i fear it will get damaged, if it has to display the login screen much more often
[07:08] <iconmefisto> hmw: I don't usually use gnome so I'm not sure, but I would think that the login screen should be the same resolution as what normal desktop is set to
[07:08] <hmw> no. if i set 1280, the login screen stays at 1600.
[07:09] <hmw> i used to work the other way around in earlier ubuntu versions - setting "global" resol in xorg.conf
[07:09] <hmw> i really do not like magic :/
[07:10] <hmw> i keep saying this since '95
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> this is a lcd monitor?  or a CRT?
[07:10] <hmw> CRT
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> there is a 'gdm' user that  you can use their settings to tweak some things.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> perhaps you need to do that.
[07:11] <iconmefisto> hmw: well you can still use xorg.conf, maybe that would be simpler?
[07:11] <hmw> xorg.conf seems to be ignored, iconmefisto
[07:11] <Dr_Willis> I forget where i even saw that info at.. You basically launch the config tools needed as the gdm user.  Ive seen it done to tweak the gdm theme/colors/stuff. i dont know if the screen-res would also work that way
[07:12] <crdlb> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Setting%20xrandr%20commands%20in%20kdm/gdm%20startup%20scripts
[07:12] <crdlb> looks like it would work
[07:12] <hmw> Dr_Willis: I don't fully understand - how to? What to google for?
[07:12] <Dr_Willis> you some how ran some tools as the user 'gdm' to set themes and colors.
[07:13] <iconmefisto> crdlb: that does work up to karmic, but haven't tried in lucid
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> This was used in the last release to allow some minor tweaking of the GDM login sceeen
[07:13] <hmw> "as user gdm" - I can login as "gdm" and without a password??
[07:13] <hmw> (will be able to try in a few minutes, when install is done=
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=7576112&postcount=365
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> no you cant.. thts why you have to do it as a special way
[07:14] <hmw> aah! thanks for the link
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> sudo -u gdm   WHATEVER_THE_RES_TOOL_IS_CALLED
[07:14] <crdlb> that forum link doesn't mention resolution
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> i said. run the tool that runs the monitor res settings.. each user can have their own res now a days.
[07:15] <hmw> crdlb: that's right, but perhaps I get lucky... I will report my results shortly
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> gnome-display-properties
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> sudo -u gdm  gnome-display-properties
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> If you are lucky :)
[07:16] <crdlb> well, the wiki link I posted will probably work if that doesn't
[07:17] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, your sudo gdm trick is clever, but should you use gksu to run a graphical app?  or is the point to have sudo right to the gdm profile?
[07:17] <hmw> crdlb: did you actually use that with Lucid?
[07:17] <crdlb> nope, but I don't think anything relevant has changed in that area
[07:17] <Dr_Willis> ZykoticK9:  i doubt if it matters much
[07:18] <crdlb> I did check that the mentioned files existed though
[07:18] <hmw> crdlb: xorg.conf is apparently ignored
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> the core of the trick is the -u gdm part. If gksudo can do that then it should also work
[07:18] <crdlb> hmw: the wiki trick is entirely independent of xorg.conf
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> I cant test the trick - because of my nvidia cards.. the system res tool dosent controll them. nvidia-settings does
[07:19] <crdlb> basically, you make gdm run xrandr before starting X
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> I had gdm do all sorts of neat tricks befor X started in the past :)
[07:19] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, same nvidia-settings setup here as well
[07:19] <hmw> uhm... i just read the section, you linked, which was a xorg.conf file. I will re read the whole
[07:20] <crdlb> hmw: you're reading the next section down
[07:21] <crdlb> actually, it looks like gdm's mini settings manager does have an xrandr plugin
[07:26] <hmw> crdlb: Putting the xrandr command into /etc/gdm/Init/Default did the trick! I will keep that link in mind, because others keep asking the same questions often! THANKS!
[07:27] <hmw> I tried 4 days of frustrating googeling without finding this one...
[07:27] <crdlb> I'm not positive, but I think Dr_Willis's method would have worked too
[07:27] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  i just recall the trick frompeople wantign to theme GDM and  stuff :0
[07:27] <hmw> i will try Dr_Willis approach now
[07:29] <ubuntufreak> Even after so many updates the Compiz doesn't work in Ubuntu 10.04, any help on this ?
[07:30] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: what video card?
[07:30] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: it's an onboard ATI3300 graphics
[07:34] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: when you say "doesn't work", what does that mean exactly?
[07:34] <hellyeah> :D
[07:35] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: when i try to enable the 'Visual Effects' it hangs on for sometime and then gives me a message that the effects cannot be enabled
[07:36] <crdlb> try running compiz --replace in a terminal
[07:39] <ubuntufreak> ‏‎crdlb: Check into this http://goo.gl/9CEe ,, http://goo.gl/Wb2Q
[07:41] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: when i try the compiz --replace i get this message in the terminal http://paste.ubuntu.com/422072/
[07:41] <Consul_Falx> hello people
[07:42] <Consul_Falx> my boot hangs every time
[07:42] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:43] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA." What NX does the DEB program package 'qtnx' belong to?
[07:44] <Consul_Falx> dmesg shows no error, but there is a 20s hang before udev manages to start
[07:44] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: here it is http://paste.ubuntu.com/422074/
[07:45] <Consul_Falx> and, I get my /dev/sda2 (fat32 with win2600) fscked with mostly no success
[07:45] <Consul_Falx> the fsck is either externally terminated after 60s, or shows no output, or fixes one or two issues after a minute or so
[07:49] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: check the output of lsmod for radeon and fglrx
[07:50] <crdlb> the problem is "failed to open the DRM", but I'm not sure why that's happening
[07:51] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: here it is for radeon size-674135 used by - 0  for fglrx size - 2092908 used by - 0
[07:52] <crdlb> o_o
[07:52] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: check this paste for the entire log http://paste.ubuntu.com/422078/
[07:52] <crdlb> I would venture to say the problem you are having is a result of the fglrx module being loaded
[07:53] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: i happen to update my 9.10 with the 10.04, will that have some problem since i was able to use it well in 9.10
[07:54] <crdlb> if you installed fglrx manually, you should uninstall it
[07:54] <fatum> I'm thinking about using gparted to format my current Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 2 partition to try out the RC. I'm not sure if that would mess up grub and my Winblows partition though, because in the past that completely made grub not work.
[07:54] <crdlb> this shouldn't happen with the official packages
[07:54] <fatum> Is grub installed to it's own partition?
[07:55] <crdlb> fatum: dumb question: why don't you just upgrade?
[07:55] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: fglrx package installed when i updated and upgraded the apt
[07:56] <fatum> crdlb:  Ahh that's true, that might be more effective to just upgrade from inside Ubuntu.  I was hoping some of the problems might be resolved on a new installation than to just upgrade.
[07:56] <fatum> Hopefully it would be the same thing essientally
[07:57] <crdlb> beta 2 to RC should be very reliable
[07:57] <fatum> Thanks!  I'll boot out of Winblows and try it out.
[08:01] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: I guess you need to either set your xorg.conf to fglrx to actually use it, or uninstall it so that the radeon driver can work
[08:01] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: so can i just go to synaptic and uninstall my fglrx ?
[08:01] <fatum> Is it possible to verify the current version?  Being beta 2 or RC after the 10.04.
[08:02] <fatum> To determine what the recognized version that is being used.
[08:02] <fatum> That doesn't make much sense, I'm really tired.
[08:02] <crdlb> fatum: just make sure you're up to date
[08:02] <crow> Hi, i found a bug maybe. During install process of xbuntu amd64 desktop, last screen where is whole summary printen, and if you are using only keyboard for installation you cant go to middle window and see of rest of summarys, and there is more because you see it on scroolbar.. egg you cant focus summary window with TAB
[08:03] <fatum> I see this: W: Failed to fetch http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/b/base-files/base-files_5.0.0ubuntu13_i386.deb
[08:03] <fatum>   404  Not Found [IP: 91.189.88.40 80]
[08:03] <fatum>  when trying to update
[08:03] <fatum> Several times, probably at least 50 times.
[08:03] <fatum> For different files however.
[08:04] <fatum> I assume the files are most likely down then.
[08:05] <hmw> fatum: you might be able to use another country's server
[08:05] <crdlb> update your pacakge list (sudo apt-get update, or via a GUI)
[08:05] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA." What NX does the DEB program package 'qtnx' belong to?
[08:05] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: it's worth a try at least
[08:06] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: would try it then ?
[08:06] <ubuntufreak> crdlb : sorry for the ? typo
[08:06] <iconmefisto> fatum: lsb_release -a  to verify installed version
[08:07] <iconmefisto> fatum: if you see Ubuntu 10.04 LTS you have RC installed
[08:13] <crow> hope someone mark that what i wrote above..
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> !find qtnx
[08:14] <Dr_Willis> !info qtnx
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> qtnx is proberly a freenx client. not the  server
[08:15] <hmw> wth? how do i check, if my script is run with sudo?
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  what are yo trying to do exactly?
[08:15] <Dr_Willis> You can check the $USER variable in a script perhaps.
[08:15] <hmw> prevent my post-install script to be run with sudo
[08:16] <hmw> it always thinks, it is a normal user
[08:16] <Dr_Willis> You mean you want it to run as root? or not?
[08:16] <hmw> now it works... shoot me, please.
[08:17]  * Dr_Willis flips hmw  with a rubber band
[08:17] <hmw> i tried $USER, $UID and $HOME for the check. it never worked until now. I have no clue, what I am doing differently now... argh. sorry.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> i noticed  this being a little..confuseing.. :)
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> echo $USER
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> sudo  echo $USER
[08:19] <hmw> it's also different, if you do it within a script, i think
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> both are 'willis'   :) i expected the 2nd tobe root.. but  the vari is expanded befor the sudo sees it.
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> right
[08:19] <Consul_Falx> folks
[08:19] <Consul_Falx> please
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo "echo $USER"
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> sudo: echo willis: command not found
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:20] <Consul_Falx> my udev hangs on boot
[08:20] <Dr_Willis> Theres been others with a similer issue Consul_Falx   this past week i think.
[08:21] <Consul_Falx> and, my windoze partition get fscked all time, which together totals 2+ minutes of unnecessary delay on boot
[08:21] <Dr_Willis> linux is fscking your windows partiion?
[08:21] <hmw> Consul_Falx: weird... did you put it into fstab?
[08:22] <fatum> How can I access arguments passed off to a shell file?
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> Yea - i would check fstab for starters
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> fatum:  clarify what you mean.
[08:22] <hmw> fatum: play with echo $0 $1 $2...
[08:22] <Dr_Willis> fatum:  the advanced-bash-scripting guide proberly has doezns of examples you are looking for
[08:22] <fatum> hmw:  Thanks!  That's what I was looking for.
[08:22] <ZykoticK9> Consul_Falx, regarding your udev, do you happen to have something about USB in your fstab?  "cat /etc/fstab | grep -i usb"
[08:22] <fatum> I'll check out the guide.
[08:23] <hmw> fatum: that was clearly a RTFM :)
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> !abs
[08:23] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: thanks for your help, the visual effects do work now after removing the fglrx
[08:23] <Dr_Willis> the #BASH people seem to hate the ABS guide.. but ive not seen them offer somting better. :)
[08:23] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: what could have been the cause for this problem ?
[08:24] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: that fglrx was installed :)
[08:24] <crdlb> apparently, having fglrx installed automatically loads its kernel module
[08:24] <crdlb> regardless of whether you're actually using it
[08:24] <bullgard4> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA." What NX does the DEB program package 'qtnx' belong to?
[08:25] <Consul_Falx> negative on that, ZykoticK9
[08:25] <hmw> i opened the "System" menu and clicked somewhere else accidentially. Now the open menu hangs there and is unresponsive. How to restart the menu/panel?
[08:25] <ZykoticK9> Consul_Falx, ok.  Best of luck man.
[08:25] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: I'm not positive why it broke on upgrade though; perhaps the way fglrx is packaged was changed
[08:25] <hmw> both panels are "dead"
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> bullgard4:  it looks like a freenx client to me.
[08:25] <Dr_Willis> !info qtnx
[08:26] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: oh ok thats why i had to remove the fglrx package now
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> UUID=e961ee5f-d52e-41fb-ba84-d0fd4a37194b /               ext4    errors=remount-ro 0       1
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> UUID=A893-8389  /windows        vfat    utf8,umask=007,gid=46 0       1
[08:26] <crdlb> ubuntufreak: fglrx is the proprietary ATI driver, btw
[08:26] <hmw> uhoh- forget it... i'll kill X... its utterly broken now
[08:26] <Consul_Falx> this is all i have
[08:26] <bullgard4> Dr_Willis: How do you ingterpret the help.ubuntu.com statement then?
[08:27] <bullgard4> s/intgerpret/interpret/
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> bullgard4:  what statement?  I am going by what you have said and what  the package bot says
[08:27] <crdlb> bullgard4: possibly incorrect/outdated? :)
[08:27] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: there's nothing odd in fstab... what shall I do next?
[08:27] <ubuntufreak> crdlb: oh ok so now the Kernel drivers perform that act instead of fglrx
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> Consul_Falx:  comment out the vfat entry for starters i guess..
[08:27] <bullgard4> Dr_Willis: >	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX: "FreeNX is not included in Ubuntu, so we'll add it from the FreeNX Team PPA."
[08:27] <Consul_Falx> hh
[08:28] <Dr_Willis> bullgard4:  they made a PPA repository for the FreeNX server.
[08:28] <bullgard4> crdlb: Thank you for commenting.
[08:28] <Consul_Falx> the weird is that I get no errors if fscking from konsole, or from windows itself
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Consul_Falx:  your fstab entry for /proc is difernt then mine --->
[08:29] <Dr_Willis>    proc/procprocdefaults00
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> silly tabs
[08:29] <Dr_Willis>    proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[08:30] <Consul_Falx> and, $ sudo dosfsck -rtvV /dev/sda2 HANGS
[08:31] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: does it mean I have to change my proc entry?
[08:31] <robin0800> Consul_Falx: I've got proc            /proc           proc    nodev,noexec,nosuid 0       0     from a clean install
[08:32] <Dr_Willis> This was a clean install also.. a few weeks ago
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> try changeing it. i guess.
[08:33] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: not sure unless this has been changed in the RC
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> I dont really see why  the noXXX stuff  are needed
[08:33] <Dr_Willis> right - this was from Alpha3 :)
[08:34] <Consul_Falx> you believe if leaving sda2 entry, udev will come to sanity? :>
[08:34] <conb123> Does the lucid rc support fglrx properly yet because when I tried beta 2 my radeon jfs 5750 would not work
[08:34] <Dr_Willis> theres been tons of updates since Beta2
[08:34] <conb123> *radeon hd
[08:36] <hmw> conb123: i wouldn't expect any improvements on fglrx
[08:37] <robin0800> Consul_Falx: my full fstab http://paste.ubuntu.com/422089/
[08:37] <conb123> hmw: damn are they planning on fixing it for the final release because otherwise they will lose a lot of users will they not?
[08:37] <Dr_Willis> testing out the rc in virtualbox. :0 Pymouth still sput out some text. :0
[08:37] <hmw> conb123: that is up to ATI, not the open source community. Expect the free driver "radeon" to be improved.
[08:38] <Dr_Willis> but GOLLY the live cd booted fast.
[08:38] <simontol> Hi, how the empty txt field in indicator-me applet is expecting to work? I've tried to write something and press enter but non update was sent to my twitter account.
[08:39] <Consul_Falx> conb123: I do believe open driver will manage the videocard soon
[08:39] <conb123> hmw: yeah I suppose so, but why can we not use the same open source driver as before
[08:39] <conb123> Consul_Falc: oh good thanks
[08:40] <simontol> ohh... sorry it is working now... ;-)
[08:41] <hmw> conb123: sometimes I feel like /joining #ubuntu-rants
[08:42] <Consul_Falx> okey
[08:42] <Consul_Falx> let's throw the /windows overboard and pray udev gets sane again
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> I found a cool tool.. but if i mention it here.. everyone will overload the service. :) heh
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> I just made my own custome Ubuntu ISO. with  ubuntu tweak and other tools and gimp and so forth allready installed. :)
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> https://build.reconstructor.org/#
[08:49] <hmw> want
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> I was able to upload .deb packages and it put them on the live cd also
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> and other files as well
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> Only issue i saw was it dosent show you the total size befor you build it. I ended up wth a  1gb iso
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> and the inteface is a little quirky
[08:51] <hmw> lol
[08:51] <hmw> is it just me, or does Grub2 suck?
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> ive had very few issues with it
[08:51] <Dr_Willis> and it has some neat features
[08:52] <hmw> i just want to edit the boot lines... well... i hope, i can do a combination of this autoscan and predefined vga= values
[08:52] <mfraz74> only problem i had was when i couldn't access the boot menu and had to edit it manually
[08:52] <ZykoticK9> hmw, vga= isn't compatible with Lucid's kernel BTW
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> its not used by grub2 any more either i thouight *vga=*  i though was obsoleted
[08:53] <mfraz74> what do you use instead of vga= now?
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> theres options in /etc/default/grub  i belive
[08:53] <hmw> i can't create different boot enties with different vga modes anymore? argh *headdesks*
[08:54] <hmw> this is a conspiracy of the commercial software industry, friends!
[08:54] <hmw> i chose Linux in hope of getting rid of all those wizards and magic and "fun" stuff :/
[08:54] <Dr_Willis> cant say that  i ever needed to hmw
[08:54] <ZykoticK9> mfraz74, hmw what i used to get frame buffer resolutions - http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> blame it on Plymouth
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> grub2 basics -> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[08:55] <hmw> funny... that method makes ALL linuxes use that resolution... i would like to use grub as a menu to select the resol :(
[08:56] <hmw> well... i am reading the grub2 wiki now
[08:56] <mfraz74> yeah, plymouth sucks
[08:56] <hmw> at least they provide instructions on how to repair grub from the live cde
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> wait till you see the framebuffer module geting loaded  - even if you blacklist it....
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> saee the url i gave and the line ---->
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> "VGA Deprecated" Message on Boot
[08:57] <mfraz74> zykotick9: is the colour depth part necessary?
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> There is a vga conversion table located at: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Gensplash  From the GRUB 2 command line, you can run "vbeinfo" to see resolutions supported by your system.
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> In theory you could make grub2 config scripts that generate an entry for EVERY video mode if you wanted to :)
[08:58] <ZykoticK9> mfraz74, don't know for sure, never tried without
[08:58] <Dr_Willis> You just dont use the vga= type syntax any more
[08:58] <hmw> i am trying to wrap my mind around these multiple files thing in /etc/grub.d
[08:58] <mfraz74> ok, better take a look at my other computer later then
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> Unless im missreading that wiki page.. Hmm,..
[08:59] <hmw> the wiki page tells you how to make a global default
[08:59] <hmw> i am short of giving up using Ubuntu and making my own LFS again...
[08:59] <Dr_Willis> Have fun.
[09:00] <crow> during installation process of xbuntu amd64 desktop, i selected to setup manualy partition, before that i did dd harddisk with zeros, i setup new partition assigned as root, and to format it(checkbox), but on summary page there is: No partition table changes and no cretion of file systems have been planned. If you plan on using already createdfile systems, be aware that existing files may prevent the
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> You are just a framebuffer/console addict?
[09:00] <hmw> Sure. argh. No, I wont do LFS... it hurts too much :)
[09:00] <iconmefisto> hmw: put custom grub configs in /etc/grub.d/40_custom and they should remain untouched, eg when you get kernel upgrades and grub menu is regenerated
[09:00] <hmw> i am a control freak, at least when it comes to Linux
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> You do know theres a 'fbset' command to change the console modes on the fly?
[09:00] <crow> prevent the successful installation of the base system
[09:01] <bp0> oh, there is a bug in the volume control
[09:01] <hmw> only one bug?
[09:01] <crow> Creating ext4 file system for / in partiton #1 SCSI1 (0,0,9) (sda)... <-- but after hitting Foward/Install button i saw this so its fine
[09:02] <bp0> well, a just noticed one
[09:03] <hmw> i consider the 10000x6000 pixels console fb mode an easter egg *g*
[09:03] <bp0> but omg, thank you ZykoticK9 for mentioning this: http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do
[09:04] <ZykoticK9> bp0, enjoy :)
[09:04] <Dr_Willis> I use  2+ monitors.. so im not even sure the fb console can do that  :)
[09:05] <hmw> of course it's not 10.000 by 6.000 but I almost need a magnifier to read the stuff
[09:05] <bp0> that should really be in the topic
[09:11] <hmw> rhetoric question: why is this thing in /etc and not longer in /usr/lib: /etc/lsb-base-logging??
[09:12] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis, hmw > omitting the partition didn't speed up udev, it still needs 13sec to start
[09:12] <Consul_Falx> and it doesn't seem like I could clean the sda2 partition even if it isn't mounted
[09:13] <hmw> lol... i always forget to update-grub before rebooting... old habbits
[09:14] <Consul_Falx> hmm, and kwin composition didn't start this time
[09:16] <mfraz74> how long has doing /etc/init.d/process restart been depreciated?
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> a long time...
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> as in ive never seen anyone do that befor. :)
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> use of /etc/init.d/XXXX is slowly getting phased out also
[09:18] <hmw> i miss sysv-init, it was so easy
[09:18] <maxagaz> how to active chinese input method in kubuntu ?
[09:18] <mfraz74> only noticed the other evening when i tried to restart samba, which has also changed name
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> sudo service Servicename action   :)
[09:19] <hmw> well... this service thing removes the possibility of using tab completion... /etc/init.d/sam<TAB>
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. actually i thought it tab completed here.
[09:19] <hmw> i wonder, what kind of people are making those decisions
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> yes.. it does tab completion.
[09:20] <hmw> wut? how?? *cheking*
[09:20] <Dr_Willis>  sudo service sm<tab> worked..
[09:20] <hmw> not here
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> It hates you
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:20] <hmw> yes :))
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> go to /etc/init to see the service names
[09:20] <hmw> oh... it is smbd again now
[09:21] <hmw> i like
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> yes.. its not samba :)
[09:21] <hmw> oh... service might be just an alias
[09:21] <hmw> however... Grub2 dioesnt want to make the fb resol lower than 10.000.000 x 6.000.000
[09:26] <red2kic> moblock does not exist for lucid (yet). ;(
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> make a ppa for it
[09:28] <red2kic> no, you make a ppa for it.
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> you wait for me then ..ok. :)
[09:28]  * Dr_Willis would laugh if theres allready a ppa for it
[09:28] <red2kic> sure. amd64. :)
[09:29] <red2kic> i could try and force installation using karmic amd64.deb but that's just asking for a trouble.
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/jre-phoenix/ppa/ubuntu karmic main
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> so they will proberly get lucid out soon
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> or try changeing it to lucid and see if it works. :) they may allredy have it out
[09:31] <red2kic> Heh. I checked the repo. lucid does not eixst.
[09:32] <Consul_Falx> Dr_Willis: also, what am I to do now with the boot?
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> what boot?
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> put your boot on your feet
[09:33] <Consul_Falx> udev hanging on boot
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> no idea really. You did check the forums/bug reports to see if others have similer issue?
[09:34] <red2kic> Note to self: The previous nickname made more senses than the new nickname.
[09:34] <BobSapp> ?
[09:34] <hmw> when using Compiz, dragging windows, which are already snapped to an edge of the screen, is very slow. Does anyone know, how to remove that "feature"?
[09:34] <Consul_Falx> [    2.290226] ieee1394: Host added: ID:BUS[0-00:1023]  GUID[00e01800037b03f5]
[09:34] <Consul_Falx> [   23.258592] udev: starting version 151
[09:35] <|Quartz|> Hello. How install the packages of ruby and its dependancies of 9.10 on ubuntu 10.04?
[09:35] <BobSapp> they have to make sense now?
[09:35] <Consul_Falx> these are the two consecutive rows of dmesg
[09:38] <BobSapp> So I burned http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso to a dvd and tried to boot it, The isolinux graphic appears but when I select any option the screen goes blank and then disk/disc activity stops. Im using a samsung r60 plus laptop with 2gb ram, 250gb hard disk and ati onboard radeon xpress 1250
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. You burnt a cd iso to a dvd disk?  Ive never had that work...
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> but if it boots.. i guess it worked..?
[09:39] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: As long as your device are capable of reading dvds, sure. I have burned 12mb mini.iso to dvd. :(
[09:40] <red2kic> BobSapp: You could try alternative and see if it occurs the same.
[09:40] <red2kic> !alt | BobSapp
[09:40] <BobSapp> 10.04 has an alternative iso?
[09:40] <red2kic> BobSapp: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/current/
[09:41] <BobSapp> ah thanks red2kic
[09:41] <red2kic> BobSapp: Best to md5sum the iso before you burn it.
[09:41] <BobSapp> willdo
[09:46] <chris_> I have a problem with keyboard layouts: I use the US and German layouts, but I want the US one to be the default. However, I can't set it to default in the "Keyboard preferences" (no checkbox for that) and after some time it randomly switches back to german.
[09:47] <hmw> chris_: i think, the order of entries is the key - the top most should be the default, but I dont guarantee it.
[09:48] <chris_> @hmw: already tried that, US is at the top. Still I don't get why the "default" checkbox was removed
[09:48] <hmw> because now it is "easier"
[09:49] <chris_> :)
[09:50] <iconmefisto> are these changes to gnome? or ubuntu-specific?
[09:50] <chris_> I don't want to switch distros or reinstall just for that, because other than that I like 10.04 ... but this is really annoying
[09:50] <hmw> i think it is gnome in this case, but not sure
[09:50] <chris_> could be, of course
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> Cool - that reconstructor web site - let me make my own Ubuntu ISO that included flash player :)
[10:01] <chris_> @hmw @iconmefisto I found the bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/521290
[10:03] <hmw> well, we'll see, if they decide to repair it. I am still unsuccessful with setting a console resolution, it still uses 1600x1200
[10:04] <pac0> hello all people, good morning
[10:04] <pac0>  i just update to 10.04 and got one ati Mobility Radeon HD 2600 XT, its recommended to install  the privative driver?
[10:05] <hmw> if it works, don't touch it
[10:05] <robin0800> hmw: Grub2 documetation tells you how to do it
[10:05] <hmw> robin0800: nope. something else overrides the settings
[10:05] <Dr_Willis> there is the vgafb16 module thats gets loaded here ive noticed. perhaps thats doing it
[10:06] <robin0800> hmw: is this an upgrade?
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> vga16fb
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> the 'fbset' command might let you change it to some other mode also
[10:07] <hmw> robin0800: no, freshly installed
[10:07] <hmw> Dr_Willis: fbset will only work, if i put it to rc.local or something similar, right?
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> you  could perhaps make a service to do it.. but rc.local would be an easier place to add it
[10:08] <hmw> grep Console /var/log/messages shows me, that it uses the correct resol, but it gets overwrtten 2 more times until the boot is finished
[10:08] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  actually you could put it in /etc/init/tty1.conf  perhaps...
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. that may not work.
[10:09] <hmw> additionally, it does not show the boot messages, until it loads gdm, then it more or less "blends over" from console to login-screen :/
[10:09] <hmw> they should not program blending effects, if they don't work correctly. I never saw anything better than 3 fps
[10:10] <hmw> i have a strong feeling, that the decision makers of Gnome (or Ubuntu itself?) are trying to compete with Windows 7
[10:11] <yofel> well, they are, it's just that plymouth seems to be harder to get to work than you think...
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> I wonder how wellit works under redhat.
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> new install on a nother machine.. I see a blinking _ - untill gdm loads. :)
[10:12] <yofel> well, haven't tried it much, but the fedora 12 boot looks pretty smooth
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> so perhaps by 10.10 they will get it figured out
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> and we can have animted-anime-boot screens
[10:12] <hmw> i don't want any graphics at all... i like the normal Linux boot messages with nice green [ OK ] messages. Perhaps even not loading GDM at all
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> with fembots fighting evil empires!
[10:12] <yofel> Dr_Willis: actually I see plymouth for about 2sec after the blinking _
[10:12] <yofel> lol
[10:12] <hmw> I am considering fedora
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  i disabled the plymouth service (/etc/init/plym*) files and have that on thos other box.
[10:13] <yofel> I don't like fedora as it uses RPM, but it's nice otherwise
[10:13] <hmw> i am trying to make a mirror copy of my current install for not having to boot off the CD all the time. after that i will try more things. thanks for the hint
[10:15] <yofel> well, you can always just remove 'splash' from the kernel line, but that will currently prevent you from seeing mount failure messages
[10:16] <hmw> wut??
[10:16] <yofel> lucid boot is *so* broken -.-
[10:16] <hmw> (i removed that already)
[10:16] <yofel> let me look for the bug
[10:16] <hmw> wow
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> i always change splash to 'nosplash'
[10:17] <hmw> what's the difference to simply remove it?
[10:17] <yofel> bug563916
[10:17] <yofel> bug 563916
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> no differance.. it just easier to rember
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> used to be splash/nosplas fb/nofb  and a few other optins ages ago.
[10:18] <hmw> hmm... perhaps i can make it use 80x25 VGA Text mode...
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth
[10:18] <yofel> hmw: what's your graphics card and driver?
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> Show Text instead of Plymouth during boot
[10:18] <hmw> intel 82865G
[10:21] <yofel> hm, that means that KMS is used which should use the highest possible res I guess
[10:21] <yofel> did you try gfxpayload?
[10:21] <hmw> yes
[10:21] <hmw> it is actually working, but something else resets the resolution later on... according to grep Console /var/log/messages
[10:22] <hmw> i am currently waiting for dd to finish
[10:22] <hmw> looks like it is crashing or so, it has little cpu load and is running for quite a while now... how long can it take to dd 7 GB??
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> i wonder if its plymouth and/or that fbvga16 module
[10:22] <pa> hello
[10:23] <yofel> hmw: depends on the link speed, does iotop -o still show the process?
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  you did give it a BS= option?
[10:23] <hmw> no, normal dd if=/dev/sda2 of=/dev/sda3 as I always did it before.
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> You should get in the habbit of alwyas using a BS= option. that will speed it up proberly by a factor of 2 or more
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> or was it  bs option.. i forget
[10:24] <hmw> ok, noted
[10:24] <pa> question: is it possible to set up gnome so that the task bar shows only one of the twwo side buttons for hiding the bar?
[10:24] <hmw> pa:  no.
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> pa:  never seen that done.
[10:25] <pa> shit.. pity
[10:25] <pa> thanks however
[10:25] <Dr_Willis> like a little bitty button on both sides makes the os unuseable? :)
[10:25] <pa> no, but on one side only is better
[10:25] <hmw> in my opinion, the whole hide buttons are useless.
[10:26] <Dr_Willis> thres always the autohide option
[10:26] <hmw> often cause things to crash.
[10:26] <pa> i hate the autohide, and a little button on one side to hide the bar could be useful
[10:27] <hmw> iotop says, it is still working... woohoo
[10:27] <robin0800> pa you can do that but only on both sides
[10:28] <pa> yes :(
[10:28] <hmw> hmm... iotop claims, dd was reading 6.3 MB/s but only writing 3.3 MB/s. what is this insanity? lol
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> lack of a bs option for starters?
[10:30] <hmw> i didnt want to interrupt it, since it was running already for quite some time
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> 1024, or 2048  or so,mthing a little higher will make it mich faster
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> dont go over kill and make it 2gb or somting silly :)
[10:32] <hmw> hmm... this speed (aka slowliness) is not normal
[10:34] <hmw> hmm... its not much faster with bs=1024, instead of 3.1MB it is writing 4 MB
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> try 1024*4
[10:35] <hmw> can i just cp -a a whole Ubuntu system?
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> best to use tar, or some tool like fsarchiver
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> !info fsarchiver
[10:36] <hmw> again RTFM hooray.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> fsarchiver is WORTH learning about.
[10:36] <hmw> i just want to clone the system
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> it can copy/clone and verify the copies.
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> and some other nice features.
[10:37] <hmw> usually i work with partimage
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> its similer to that. but works differently
[10:37] <Dr_Willis> the homepage compares the 2 progrms
[10:38] <hmw> perhaps this 40 GB drive just is that slow
[10:39] <hmw> i wonder, if i can make grub2 update the conf on a drive, that is not active... will i have to chroot?
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> going from sda1 to sda2 is also a bit of a  bottleneck also
[10:40] <Aison> hello
[10:40] <Aison> i don't know if it's a problem of ubuntu 10.04 or eclipse, but after 5min of working with eclipse, it hangs
[10:40] <Aison> I have to do killall java to terminate it
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> i never use eclipse. so cant verify
[10:41] <Aison> it's new since ubuntu 10.04
[10:42] <maxagaz> how to have sound in skype on kde ?
[10:43] <starplex> there was a little problem when i initially installed ubuntu lucid
[10:43] <starplex> i also installed kubuntu-desktop with apt-get
[10:44] <starplex> at the beginning when i logged in with kde, gnome and kde run simultaneously
[10:44] <starplex> i had both gnome panel and kde taskbar :D
[10:45] <hmw> when I install another instance of Lucid to /dev/sda3, what will it do to my main install on sda2? especially what will happen tp Grub2? Will it be left on sda2?
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> one of them will take over grub (the latest i imagine) and  should in theory see theother installs and add them to the grub menu
[10:46] <hmw> argh
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> of course if you booted to the OTHER one. and ran update-grub. then IT would take over grub
[10:47] <hmw> oh nice
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> if they were on 2 different HD's you could set them up to put their loader on  the specific HD they are on.
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> but even then. the 'update=grub' stuff will scan/see the other os's and add them to the menus
[10:48] <hmw> yes, i need to chroot... damn Grub2
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> I installed to a USB hd. it saw and  added the internal HD's to the grub  menu on the usb hd,
[10:48] <maxagaz> i just installed kubuntu 10.04, amarok doesn't read my mp3, is it a known bug ?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> You need to install some support packages for mp3 i belive.
[10:49] <hmw> maxagaz: sounds like you're missing codecs?
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> try the kubuntu-restricted-extras package
[10:49] <maxagaz> hmw: which ones ?
[10:49] <maxagaz> okay
[10:49] <coolnix> Hi, I got a problem after upgrade from karmic to 10.4.. apparantly did not define correctly grub pc configuration
[10:49] <coolnix> the installation terminal said that my choice was BAD
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> where did you tell it to instll to?
[10:50] <coolnix> now after rebbot there is only the grub-rescue
[10:50] <starplex> how do i make kubuntu save my pass for a session
[10:50] <starplex> i need to type it every time in the terminal or synaptic
[10:50] <coolnix> well I had 5 choices and did not quite get the information in help
[10:50] <coolnix> I chose sda1 and sdb1
[10:50] <hmw> starplex: look into "pamusb"
[10:51] <coolnix> and probably I should have chosen sda
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> grub normally goes on the MBR of the drive.. ie:  sda or sdb  not sda1/sdb1
[10:51] <coolnix> can I change that still?
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> !fixgrub
[10:51] <hmw> !grub2
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> why did it even ask i wonder..
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> i recall some dpkg-reconfigure thing where it asked me where to put grub. because it saw it on several of my hd's :)
[10:53] <coolnix> fixgrub is a command that is to be entered at grub-rescue prompt?
[10:53] <hmw> coolnix: the wiki Grub2 page explains how to repair grub2
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> !bot
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> Notice it was a BOT trigger. :)
[10:55] <red2kic> ubottu: i can has pies?
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> also ==> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275   good grub info
[10:56] <Take0n> hello folks
[10:57] <coolnix> Hi, I was thrown out: is fixgrub a command that is to be entered at grub-rescue prompt?
[10:58] <red2kic> coolnix: No. Read the factoid.
[10:58] <red2kic> !fixgrub | coolnix
[10:58] <coolnix> no, i lost grub after upgrade to 10.4
[10:58] <coolnix> it wanted to know where grub is to be installed and the help text was confusing
[10:59] <Take0n> I was here 2 days ago telling you about a problem I have with lucid and login window. Almost every time I boot ubuntu, when it is about ti show the login window it just goes blank screen and nothing happens. I am also unable to turn off my computer at this point so I have to unplug the charger and the battery.. It takes more than 5 times to successfully log in to ubuntu :\ You told me to edit grub menu.lst and disable/remove splash but it didn't he
[10:59] <Take0n> lp. Is there any other solution to this prob?
[10:59] <coolnix> so i chose sdba1 and sdb1 instead of sda
[10:59] <coolnix> red2kic: what is the factoid?
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> i always put my grub on sda or sdb or sdc (depends on the hd i am booting)
[11:00] <Dr_Willis> not sda1 sdb1 or sdc1
[11:02] <red2kic> coolnix:  1. unreliable information: something that may not be true but is widely accepted as true because it is repeatedly quoted, especially in the media   2. single fact: a small and often unimportant bit of information.
[11:02] <dstaubsauger> hi, is there a way to remove the evolution email client without breaking half of the gnome desktop?
[11:02] <coolnix> Dr_Willis: but do you mean booting from the BIOS point of view or booting your Ubuntu?
[11:03] <red2kic> dstaubsauger: If you're talking about ubuntu-desktop, It's a metapackage and can be removed safely.
[11:04] <Take0n> so is there a solution to my prob? is it a known bug maybe?
[11:04] <dstaubsauger> red2kic: what about all those gnome-panel things?
[11:04] <Take0n> is it because of plymouth?
[11:05] <red2kic> dstaubsauger: What package are you trying to remove?
[11:05] <rww> dstaubsauger: evolution is fine to remove. evolution-data-server is not evolution, and is important.
[11:05] <yofel> Take0n: what graphics card do you have again?
[11:06] <dstaubsauger> rww: aaahhhh, this explains all the dependencies :D
[11:06] <Take0n> nvidia on an hp pavilion notebook
[11:06] <yofel> Take0n: nouveau or nvidia driver?
[11:07] <Take0n> 00:05.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C51 [Geforce Go 6150] (rev a2)
[11:07] <Take0n> yofel, how do I check?
[11:07] <GSF1200S> is anyone in here able to boot Lucid with an Nvidia card?
[11:07] <Take0n> not sure I understand what you asked :p
[11:07] <yofel> Take0n: did you install the nvidia driver? if not, you're using nouveau
[11:08] <Take0n> I didn't install any drivers manually when I installed lucid
[11:08] <Take0n> nouveau is the new nvidia driver in lucid?
[11:08] <yofel> ok, can you try to add 'nomodeset' where quiet splash was?
[11:08] <GSF1200S> I have a 9800GTX+ and not a linux distro out there will boot
[11:08] <Take0n> yofel, instead of quiet splash I should add nomodeset?
[11:09] <Take0n> is there a way to disable plymouth? if it's what causing this problem of course
[11:09] <GSF1200S> they all freeze either 1) while the kernel boots (Ubuntu 10.04, Arch) or 2) At the desktop (sidux)
[11:09] <yofel> GSF1200S: I had a similiar case in another channel where a 9600 + nvidia195 + kernel 2.6.32 resulted in a kernel panic, can you try 2.6.34 from the kernel ppa?
[11:09] <rww> Take0n: remove the "splash" keyword from /etc/default/grub, then run sudo update-grub
[11:09] <Take0n> rww, I did so
[11:10] <Take0n> but it didn't solve my problem
[11:10] <rww> Take0n: do you still get a graphical splash screen?
[11:10] <yofel> Take0n: put it there, doesn't matter if you keep quiet splash or not
[11:10] <Take0n> rww, no
[11:10] <Take0n> yofel, ok
[11:10] <rww> then your problem isn't plymouth
[11:10] <GSF1200S> yofel: kernel ppa? how do I install it when I cant even boot the OS?
[11:10] <rww> try nomodeset, as yofel says
[11:11] <dstaubsauger> thanks rww!
[11:11] <GSF1200S> already removed quiet splash and added nomodeset, still wont boot
[11:11] <GSF1200S> it booted once
[11:11] <Take0n> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nomodeset"
[11:11] <Take0n> like this right?
[11:11] <yofel> GSF1200S: nomodeset  has no effect on the nvidia driver, can you try to boot with 'blacklist=nvidia' ?
[11:11] <yofel> Take0n: yes
[11:12] <Take0n> thank you
[11:12] <GSF1200S> yofel: I tried adding blacklist nvidia to the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist and it still froze.. same yeah?
[11:12] <yofel> GSF1200S: if that doesn't help boot a live disk, chroot and remove the driver
[11:12] <Take0n> IF the problem remains, what should I try next?
[11:12] <kuttans> hello im unable to mount swap space
[11:12] <yofel> kuttans: error message?
[11:13] <kuttans> mountall: skipping mounting /dev/mapper/cryptdisk-swap .plymouth not found
[11:13] <kuttans> where as plymouth is working nice and responding too..
[11:14] <yofel> Take0n: I don't think that *I* can help you then, best you ask again later
[11:14] <kuttans> any idea what might have gone wrong
[11:14] <Take0n> yofel, np thanks for helping! Hopefully I won't need to ask about this problem again
[11:15]  * yofel has no idea how cryptsetup works and stays silent...
[11:15] <Take0n> btw, which driver do you think I should use? if the problem remains, should I maybe try nvidia driver instead?
[11:15] <hmw> argh... dd said no "space left on device" and i cant mount the fs... probably due to "round to cylinders"?
[11:16] <hmw> why should i "round to cylinders", when creating partitions?
[11:18] <kuttans> cpio: ./lib/plymouth/.so: Cannot stat: No such file or directory
[11:18] <kuttans> whats the problem it just happened while im updating my system. can anyone tell me  pls
[11:19] <kuttans> yofel: any idea about this update-initramfs failure?
[11:19] <acicula> excess / in there?
[11:19] <om26er> any way to install anjal 0.3?
[11:20] <yofel> kuttans: that *exact* error? maybe the path is wrong as there is no ".so", but details.so label.so and script.so
[11:21] <kuttans> yofel: checked the path is there
[11:21] <kuttans> im now trying to reinstall all the plymouth themes
[11:21] <kuttans> yofel: its done, i think the update broken the path thing i guess
[11:21] <kuttans> now its fixed
[11:21] <yofel> om26er: seems to install fine here
[11:22] <om26er> yofel, that would 0.1 I think
[11:22] <yofel> oh wait, it now hangs at setting up...
[11:22] <yofel> no, finished
[11:22] <Reckon> Anybody knows how to set up Evolution to use my hotmail account?
[11:23] <om26er> yofel, 0.3.1+really0.0.1+git20090909.d0a14f2b-0ubuntu1
[11:23] <yofel> om26er: oh, yeah
[11:23] <yofel> heh
[11:23] <yofel> bug 518788
[11:24] <om26er> look whos the reporter ;-)
[11:24] <yofel> yeah :P
[11:24] <rww> Reckon: use a POP3 server type with the settings listed at http://lifehacker.com/5169684/hotmail-finally-enables-pop3-worldwide
[11:25] <rww> Reckon: I don't use Hotmail/Windows Live, though, so I won't be able to help if that doesn't work
[11:26] <hmw> Cool, my install broke totally. Need to re-setup from scratch.
[11:28] <Reckon> rww, thanks
[11:29] <hmw> what will be different, if i do NOT "round to cylinders" when creating partitions?
[11:30] <hmw> will it be significant?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I thinki always 'round to cylinders' over the yers
[11:44] <hmw> i wonder, why i had problems to create partitions with an identical number of cylinders... usually this is easy
[11:45] <om26er> If I convert ext4 to btrfs the used disk increases anyway to make that normal ?
[11:46] <maxagaz> it seems I need to install some nvidia driver on my kubuntu to have desktop effects, but which one, it used to be done automatically on ubuntu ?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. actually it would just pop up a dialog pointing out that propriatry drivers are avail.
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> run the hardware-drivers tool and it should isntall them
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> or run jockey-qt (i think)
[11:49] <maxagaz> ok
[11:49] <yofel> jockey-kde actually
[11:49] <maxagaz> yes, I found it
[11:50] <maxagaz> but I had to use a console
[11:51] <maxagaz> because of the codecs and this at least, kubuntu isn't ready yet for non-geek user
[11:51] <Crashbit> i'm using xorg-edgers repository, and there is no exists nouveau backports for kernel -21. Anyone knows when will be released ?
[11:52] <Dr_Willis> what about the codecs? install the kubuntu-restricted-extras package. and the w32codecs    and i play most everything in kubuntu
[11:52] <yofel> Crashbit: Sarvatt might know about that
[11:52] <Dr_Willis>  the hardware-drivers tool i thought was in the kde menus also.
[11:53] <Crashbit> yofel: ok, I understand :)
[11:53] <yofel> Dr_Willis: it is
[11:53] <yofel> maxagaz: jockey should come up by itself though once you refresh the package cache in it find a driver available for you
[11:54] <maxagaz> yofel: okay, where is it set to be run at login ?
[11:55] <yofel> I don't know that, sry
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> first thingi normally do is go to the hardware-drivers icon anyway because i know i need to do that then reboot. :)
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> Otherwise my screen res is wrong
[11:56] <maxagaz> and actually, when I ran it and click on activate the recommended driver, nothing happend, I had to install it using the konsole
[11:57] <yofel> maxagaz: did you install all updates first? jockey was a bit broken until recently
[11:58] <maxagaz> yofel: I see, no, I didn't
[11:58] <yofel> please always do that for development releases, you should install updates once a day at least anyway
[11:59] <maxagaz> okay
[12:02] <sweet> Hi! I need te add a boot option to my grub2 menu allowing me to boot at runlevel 3 (console interface without graphics). Googled it without any results... any ideas someone?
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed that jockey can take a LONG time to get/download thenvidia drivers.. not sure why
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  thers no runlevel 3 without gfx.
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  ubuntu dosent work that way
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> disable gdm if you want the console only
[12:03] <yofel> sweet: didn't we discuss this a few days ago already?
[12:04] <sweet> yofel: there wasn't any solution...
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> because  thers not. :)
[12:04] <yofel> well, I don't think there is an easy one in lucid
[12:04] <penguin42> sweet: You an add custom stuff to /etc/grub.d/40_custom (or add another option in there) or you can change config in /etc/default/grub
[12:04] <yofel> at least not in the sysvinit way
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> In theory you could edit the  /etc/init/gdm.conf  to see theres a runlevel 3 and not run at that runlevel i guess
[12:04] <sweet> Dr_Willis: I need to add a boot option which boots into console for testing purpouses, still need gdm for day2day use
[12:04] <yofel> penguin42: *that* isn't the problem
[12:04] <penguin42> yofel: Oh it's a lack of runlevel ism ?
[12:04] <yofel> yes
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> sweet:   disable gdm.. do your testying.. re-enable it
[12:04] <penguin42> hmmmm
[12:05] <sweet> Dr_Willis: that would be labourious doing it over and over again...
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  not really.. its renameing 1 file.
[12:05] <jadams> I've been running lucid for a while now, and I have 2 things I'd like to rectify by update if possible.  1) My rhythmbox has no ubuntu store.  2) My window controls are on the right, they never moved left.  Can someone explain how to force my machine to be more 'stock' lucid?
[12:06] <sweet> Dr_Willis: ^^ still need the boot option
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do    has info
[12:06] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  you got some hacking to do then
[12:06] <yofel> sweet: what you *could* try is: add a "and runlevel [!3]" to upstart and add "3" to the kernel grub line
[12:06] <penguin42> sweet: I wonder about editing /etc/init/gdm.conf to check /proc/cmdline
[12:06] <red2kic> jadams: You want your windows buttons on left? :o
[12:06] <sweet> Dr_Willis: I've only been using linux for about a month now, still need to learn a lot... guess hacking won't be an option for me
[12:07] <yofel> sweet: I mean add it to the gdm.conf, not upstart
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  that  "and runlevel [!3]"  Might work in gdm.conf
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> yofel:  :) that makes more sence now...
[12:07] <jadams> red2kic, this is the default ubuntu look.  I just want my install to be stock lucid.  I figure if I manage to have an update put them there (rather than forcing them there in gconf-editor) then that will manage all the other non-stock things being fixed as well :)
[12:07] <penguin42> sweet: OK, there's another way that might be easier for you - disable gdm and login on the text console and just type startx when you want graphics
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  i dont see why this is really even needed.
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  whats so imporntant that you have to boot to the console
[12:07] <yofel> I have no idea if that works, but that's the best Idea I have right now
[12:07] <jadams> red2kic, but yeah, all my other machines don't have the non-lucid oddity this one has, so it's a pain coming home from work to a different layout
[12:08] <red2kic> jadams: Upgrading preserves all of the personal configuration settings your home directory.
[12:08] <yofel> sweet: more precise: add it to the "start on" statement in gdm.conf
[12:08] <jadams> red2kic, ok.  so what should I do to make it regen them, for gtk/gnome things?
[12:08] <jadams> red2kic, I can't imagine what I might have in my homedir that said "don't use ubuntu music store" :(
[12:09] <sweet> Dr_Willis: we need to run iperf tests for no-new-wires testing and analysis, it's important that only the minimal services are running when performing these tests
[12:09] <Viper1432> there is an easy way sweet.
[12:09] <sweet> Viper1432: listening...
[12:09] <red2kic> jadams: If you're not sure, you can try renaming your .example to .example-old and start the client again.
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  theres still going to be a LOT of services running even if gdm is not
[12:09] <Viper1432> when grub comes up....highlight the entry you want at run level 3 and tap the 'e' key to edit...then...
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> !runlevel
[12:10] <Viper1432> /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.26-1-amd64 root=/dev/sda1 3  <<<<<see the 3 at the end there?  append it to the one you want and ctrl+x to boot.
[12:10] <yofel> Viper1432: *that* we know, but that has no effect in ubuntu by default
[12:10] <sweet> Dr_Willis: do you have any other sugestions then? I'm always willing to learn!
[12:10] <red2kic> jadams: The other better way would be to create a new username (just that you can mess around with stock ubuntu lucid).
[12:10] <Viper1432> yofel,  you have got to be kidding me.  :O
[12:10] <hmw> appending the runlevel to the boot line does not work anymore. (at least not in jaunty!)
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  learn some upstart.. or just make a scriopt that disables gdm befor you run the tests..
[12:10] <yofel> Viper1432: no, see the message ubottu just posted
[12:10] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  'sudo service gdm stop' and its stopped.. there ya go.. go do the tests...
[12:11] <Viper1432> oh ffs.  So yet another reason I'm more an' more in the arch camp.  sigh.
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  no really need to boot to the console, you can boot. go to the console, stop gdm.. do the tests
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> Viper1432:  Upstart basics.. its NOT sysv :)
[12:11] <sweet> Dr_Willis: probably a stupid question, but does this command also disbales the ubuntu network manager?
[12:11] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  No idea. Ive never really noticed.
[12:12] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  for wireless proberly.. wired.. never had an issue with it
[12:12] <Viper1432> no it doesn't stop networking...(stopping gdm.)
[12:12] <jadams> red2kic, I renamed .gnome2 to .gnome2-old, will restart momentarily and see how that goes.  It had rhythmbox settings in it.
[12:12] <hmw> why does it unmount all partitions of that external drive, when i only unmount one?
[12:12] <sweet> Viper1432: i mean the manager not the service
[12:12] <yofel> sweet: it will not, but as Dr_Willis said, you don't have a gui anymore so wireless is a bit hard to set up
[12:12] <yofel> wired will work
[12:13] <Viper1432> never really checked that sweet, but a "top" or "htop" (if you have that) at the command line should tell you if that's running.
[12:13] <sweet> yofel: don't need the wireless, so no problem
[12:13] <prov> I installed ubuntu 10.04 alpha 2. Soon after the install of ubuntu alpha 2 I performed a 300 MB update through system->administration->update manager. Did this give me the updates to make it alpha 3?
[12:14] <yofel> !final | prov
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> prov:  you should be updated to RC now.
[12:15] <sweet> Dhttp://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/10
[12:15] <sweet> 13:01 [ arand         ] [ Dink           ] [ hypatia        ] [ maxagaz         ] [ quiritius    ] [ tlyu        ]
[12:15] <yofel> hm, I tried the runlevel [!3] myself right now on my desktop: what I get is: plymouth never stops, but I can switch to tty1-6 fine
[12:15] <sweet> Dr_Willis: just be sure, it's not possible to add a runlevel 3 boot option in ubuntu?
[12:15] <yofel> sweet: see what I just wrote
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> sweet:  upstart dosent work that way
[12:16] <sweet> yofel: hmm I see....
[12:16] <hmw> sweet: it is not possible anymiore. you can use cat /proc/cmdline to get kernel parameters, perhaps in rc.config instead
[12:16] <prov> Dr_Willis: Tell me, what is going on with python? I am a blender 3d user and I used a program called makehuman to do some work for me. But after I installed the release candidate and the makehuman .deb used in gdebi complains that it needs python 2.5. Ubuntu 10.04 has python2.6. Where can I get python2.5 for lucid?
[12:16] <yofel> Dr_Willis: upstart *has* some runlevel support, but it's not used by default and you have to edit it by hand (it's mostly used to identify if you're booting or shutting down)
[12:16] <Viper1432> I'm still scratching my head over that plymouth move tbh.  my arch box gets to gdm faster than ubuntu does and its loading basically the same stuff...only its prettier as plymouth + nvidia prop. drivers looks like crap.  --me just griping.  /jumps off the soapbox.
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> prov:  on the older release - i was able to apt-get the older version of python. the 2 worked alongside each other
[12:17] <yofel> Dr_Willis: 'grep "runlevel" /etc/init/*" gives quite a few hits
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> prov:  for one app i DID have to edit the python scripts to run #!/bin/python2.5 i recall
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> yofel:  right but its all down to run levels 0 and 6  basically i think
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> !runlevel
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> 0 is reboot? or was that 6 i forget.
[12:18] <yofel> Dr_Willis: as I said, you have to set it up by hand
[12:18] <prov> Dr_Willis: What command line options should I feed in to do this?
[12:18] <Dr_Willis> prov:  not srue. Check the package manager to look for python versions
[12:18] <sweet> yofel: grep "runlevel" /etc/init/*, output doesn't make sence to me
[12:18] <yofel> sweet: that plymouth keeps running actually makes sense as the gdm service is responsible for stopping it
[12:18] <sweet> yofel: guess I still need to learn a lot...
[12:19] <yofel> sweet: that's just to check what services rely on runlevels
[12:19] <prov> Dr_Willis: Python2.5 is not there. I do not know where to get a repo for 2.5. Do you?
[12:19] <DASPRiD> why does ubuntu display "12002 GB drive" instead of "12 TB drive" ?
[12:19] <sweet> yofel: I just thought it would be easy to boot into a simple CLI, guess not... :(
[12:21] <yofel> sweet: well, not quite, easiest way is to just switch to a tty and stop gdm if you don't need X, use my way only if you require X never attempting to start
[12:22] <Dr_Willis> prov:  no idea.
[12:22] <yofel> prov: update your application to work with 2.6
[12:22] <prov> Dr_Willis: How?
[12:22] <penguin42> DASPRiD: My guess would be not many people have tried it with an array that big, bug report it
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what services the rescue mode even stops/prevents
[12:23] <yofel> prov: why do you require 2.5 actually?
[12:23] <Dr_Willis> DASPRiD:  give it a proper Label and it wull use that instead
[12:24] <DASPRiD> penguin42, i will file one, thanks
[12:24] <BobSapp> i tried the alternate cd it still wont boot 10.04
[12:24] <penguin42> BobSapp: How far does it get for you?
[12:24] <prov> http://makehuman.blogspot.com/          http://download.tuxfamily.org/makehuman/nightly/
[12:24] <prov> gdebi says it requires python2.5.
[12:24] <DASPRiD> penguin42, tho i think that 1/2 TB drives are pretty common today
[12:24] <yofel> prov: I'll look at it
[12:25] <BobSapp> penguin42: it installs fine, but after i select the operating system in grub no video
[12:25] <penguin42> DASPRiD: Yes, I can't remember what my 1TB drive showed up as
[12:25] <penguin42> BobSapp: What graphics card?
[12:25] <BobSapp> actually it seems they are aware of the issue in the forums: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1448483
[12:25] <BobSapp> ATI Radeon Xpress 1250
[12:25] <lelamal> hi all, I've recently upgraded to lucid, and can't see the pager reproducing the open windows inside its small screens (sorry if it's unclear), and can't find any setting to reproduce the expected behaviour. What should I do?
[12:25] <penguin42> BobSapp: Can you try booting with radeon.modeset=0
[12:25] <skiwithpete> hi
[12:25] <BobSapp> thanks ill try it
[12:25] <lelamal> I'm on kubuntu 10.04
[12:26] <skiwithpete> I've installed 10.04 RC, and I can't get my internal mic working.  Can someone help me to set it up?
[12:27] <DASPRiD> penguin42, hm, which component is the right one which shows devices to mount under the menu "places"?
[12:28] <Viper1432> oh damn sweet left.  found a thread that would have helped with the cli boot grub stuff. figures.  lol
[12:28] <penguin42> DASPRiD: I'm not sure, you could try nautilus but I suspect it isn't
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> if running a test where having gdm starting would affectit.. i think one would want to set up a VERY specific test 'setup'
[12:29] <DASPRiD> would make sense, they are also displayed in nautilus, where also bookmarks come from
[12:30] <penguin42> BobSapp: If that works can you please subscribe to bug 560306 and add detail about your machine please
[12:31] <skiwithpete> is there somewhere I can go for information about how to setup the mic?
[12:32] <DASPRiD> penguin42, heh, while writing the bug report i just found another one, the 12tb drive is actually mounted via pam_mount, but still shows up under places, so you could mount it twice
[12:32] <vistakiller1> can i remove plymouth and replace it with old splash screen?
[12:33] <vistakiller1> because with nvidia driver plymouth not working correct
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. it works here vistakiller1
[12:33] <vistakiller1> it works but to wrong resolution
[12:33] <hmw> i wonder, why they always put in stuff, that is not yet ready to be used...
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> and no you can not remove plymouth anre replace it with the old usplash
[12:33] <Viper1432> low rez though Dr_Willis .  it wor......what vistakiller1 said.  lol
[12:34] <vistakiller1> can i remove it
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> vistakiller1:  not that ive seen. No you cant
[12:34] <vistakiller1> and why you place such a splash screen
[12:34] <vistakiller1> and to most people will not work correct
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> I dident notiuce it being low res here on my new install  Nvidia 5500
[12:34] <BobSapp> penguin42: sure
[12:34] <vistakiller1> the most ppl have nvidia driver :P or fglrx
[12:34] <Viper1432> Dr_Willis,  trust me...its low rez.
[12:35] <vistakiller1> this is a bad decision for the distro image
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> Viper1432:  dosent really matter...
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> file a bug report.. i doubt if its going to suddendly get pulled.
[12:35] <vistakiller1> think about one new guy to the ubuntu
[12:35] <Viper1432> to you perhaps my friend, but it annoys some of us out here.  :D
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> You can disable plymount by diabeling it in /etc/init
[12:35] <vistakiller1> after the install of nvidia driver to see that thing :P
[12:36] <vistakiller1> if he is old enough he will remember the spectrum zx ages
[12:36] <gnubie> skiwithpete,  have you clicked on the speaker icon and gone through the preferences?
[12:36] <yofel> prov: seems you'll have to try to use python2.5 from karmic for now http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python2.5&searchon=names&suite=karmic-updates&section=all
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> low res/wrong res,, is one of the most TRIVIAL issues ive seen with Plymouth in the last month+
[12:36] <skiwithpete> gnubie, yeah
[12:36] <hmw> trivial??
[12:36] <Viper1432> lol...broken pipe Dr_Willis ?  heh heh
[12:36] <skiwithpete> I tried with Skype and sound recorder, and no luck, and in sound settings I get nothing on the level bar
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  yes..  trivial. if the system works.. it works..  when the system dosent boot because of plymouth (as it did about 3 weeks ago) thats a problem
[12:36] <vistakiller1> i see some guides to internet to correct the res but is very tricky
[12:37] <vistakiller1> and the guides is for grub2
[12:37] <vistakiller1> i have grub1
[12:37] <lelamal> vistakiller1: I don't have nvidia drivers, but still can't use it. do you get a similar screen, by any chance? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462113
[12:37] <hmw> well this 1600 res is killing my CRT, i call this a real problem
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> I would suggest doing a clean install and using grub2 then.
[12:37] <vistakiller1> lelamal the same
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  you fixed that  with that sudo -c gdm earlier dident you?
[12:37] <prov> yofel: Did you get the same error?
[12:37] <vistakiller1> the problem is that the guide is for grub2
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> or someone did at least..  i thought
[12:38] <skiwithpete> gnubie, I have two mics according to the settings, I've tried both.
[12:38] <hmw> Dr_Willis: i am talking about the spash scrfeen/frame buffer init...
[12:38] <vistakiller1> Dr_Willis i have my distro one year+ now with three upgrades
[12:38] <hmw> X is working now
[12:38] <vistakiller1> and it works fine
[12:38] <lelamal> vistakiller1:  that's annoying, I want the old splash
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> vistakiller1:  guess you stick with the low res then.
[12:38] <hmw> but it also switches to 1600 before using my 1280 xrand setting
[12:38] <vistakiller1> i will not do a format for splash screen :P
[12:38] <vistakiller1> but is wrong this
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> file a bug report then.
[12:39] <hmw> i dont understand, why the 9.04-splash needed to be removed... it was nice
[12:39] <vistakiller1> yes
[12:39]  * Dr_Willis thinks we need a #ubuntu-complaints
[12:39] <hmw> how to disable this... chmod 000 /etc/init/plymouth ?
[12:39] <vistakiller1> and i remember one year before
[12:39] <vistakiller1> in fedora
[12:39] <vistakiller1> plymouth works fine with nvidia driver
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  rename the .conf to be  whtever.dontstart
[12:39] <vistakiller1> what happen now?
[12:39] <hmw> all 4 confs?
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  thats what i did
[12:40] <yofel> prov: well of course, and I know a bit about the package management, what I think is: the application is buit on a machine that uses python2.5 and that is then put into a debian package with a hard dependency on python2.5, you can do nothing about that
[12:40] <yofel> s/buit/built/
[12:41] <vistakiller1> if i remove plymouth to have only text?
[12:41] <vistakiller1> can i do this?
[12:41] <yofel> vistakiller1: rather replace 'splash' with 'text' in grub
[12:41] <vistakiller1> i will do this
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> vistakiller1:  try to remove it..  last i tried.. it wanted to remove several 1000+ other packages
[12:41] <vistakiller1> is better than funky picture
[12:41] <gnubie> skiwithpete   I just have motherboard sound so choosing mic 1 works for me.  I have only used my mic with skype though.
[12:42] <mozir> I updated to lynx but all I can see what is new is the new theme.. What did actually change?
[12:42] <prov> yofel: I have it downloading from synaptic (makehuman that is). This is as far as I have gotten I think your links worked. Thank you very much and to Dr_Willis too :)
[12:42] <skiwithpete> guys, I'm completely stuck on this mic issue (I've played around in with the configurations and nothing)- any suggestions would be welcome
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> apt-get remove pymouth --->   826 to remove
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> prov:  what did? ive totally frogotten the issue :)
[12:43] <yofel> Dr_Willis: impossible, mountall depends on plymouth, just remove the splash themes if you don't want splash
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> yofel:  what is mountall anyway? :)
[12:43] <prov> Dr_Willis: For trying to help me with blender/python issue.
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> prov:  ok. heh/
[12:43] <yofel> Dr_Willis: the service that is responsible for mounting filesystems on boot
[12:44] <yofel> Dr_Willis: makeing sure they're properly fscked etc.
[12:44] <yofel> *making
[12:46] <cousin_mario> hello
[12:47] <cousin_mario> how does one change the appearance of the login screen?
[12:47] <cousin_mario> (namely the background)
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> cousin_mario:  you could find the image file its using.. ad change it.. there also some gdm config tools to change the paper and stuff
[12:48] <skiwithpete> restarting, brb
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> cousin_mario:  perhaps --> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/01/gdm2-setup-gets-new-look-and-ubuntu-ppa.html
[12:51] <vistakiller1> can i fix it if i put vga= ?
[12:51] <vistakiller1> to /boot/grub/menu.lst
[12:52] <yofel> vistakiller1: vga= is deprecated, and you're using grub1?
[12:52] <vistakiller1> yes
[12:52] <vistakiller1> i have grub1
[12:52] <yofel> ah wait, it's not deprecated for grub1
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> but it may be in the kernel
[12:53] <|Quartz|> bjsnider: Hello. I have found a solution for rubyripper: to use the graphic interface to scan the disc and modify if needed the info such as title, author, track name..., then I launch the extraction and cancel it. In that way, all these info are stored in the rubyripper database. After, I launch the text client rubyripper_cli.rb which is as fast as the gtk interface in ubuntu 9.10
[12:53] <|Quartz|> :)
[12:53] <vistakiller1> i find and the bug in launchpad https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/551013
[12:53] <cousin_mario> Dr_Willis: the new default theme is seriously ugly
[12:53] <cousin_mario> when did we get back to the 80s?
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> cousin_mario:  im going to start forwarding people to #ubuntu-complaints
[12:54] <vistakiller1> ok they will fix it then it say medium fix released
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:54] <vistakiller1> i love zx spectrum :D
[12:54] <yofel> cousin_mario: retro look is in right now :P
[12:55] <cousin_mario> there's good retro and stuff that was buried and rightly so
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Next release will be SteamPunk/bioshock
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> the whole dirty highttech/lowtech look :)
[12:55] <hmw> lol... what was wrong with the human theme? it is completely removed now!?
[12:55] <cousin_mario> it would likely be an improvement over this depiction of an acid trip
[12:56] <yofel> vistakiller1: if you want a non-16-colors splash you'll have to set up the framebuffer if you're using  nvidia or fglrx (or any other non-KMS driver)
[12:56] <yofel> vistakiller1: I only know how to do that in grub2 though
[12:56] <vistakiller1> "This workaround doesn't works 100% cards and also when it works you lose  the textual TTYs. Definitely not a solution!"
[12:56] <vistakiller1> for the bug report
[12:56] <vistakiller1> i stay with funky splash.. :P
[12:57] <vistakiller1> if they dont solve this i will edti to have text splash screen
[12:57] <vistakiller1> is better
[12:57] <yofel> vistakiller1: that is fixed, we can't make it look better for lucid right now,  it will be investigated if this is somehow properly fixable in maverick I think
[12:58] <skiwithpete> anyone else had mic issues
[12:59] <yofel> skiwithpete: not here, you might want to contact crimsun in a few hours, he belongs to the audio team
[12:59] <unknown_> hi everyone
[12:59] <skiwithpete> ok, I'll check back in laters
[12:59] <skiwithpete> thanks yofel
[12:59] <unknown_> what is the most recent daily build for lucid?
[13:00] <yofel> unknown_: the RC, we don't have any newer isos yet
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> theres no rc.1 :)
[13:00] <unknown_> yofel: tks
[13:00] <unknown_> is it stable or should i install karmic then upgrade?
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> id say do a clean install.
[13:00] <cousin_mario> unknown_: can't you wait 5 days?
[13:01] <unknown_> cousin_mario: if i dont need, why should i wait?
[13:01] <unknown_> lol
[13:01] <unknown_> this is not alpha stage, thats why im asking
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> im using it on 3 machines right now.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> a few issues here and there.. but over all its working
[13:03] <unknown_> Dr_Willis: fine, what is the graphics driver you are using?
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> nvidia
[13:05] <vistakiller1> they say This bug was fixed in the package plymouth - 0.8.2-1
[13:05] <unknown_> ok, low framerate or everything is normal?
[13:05] <cousin_mario> thank god gdm2setup worked:)
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> seem fine here.  on both the nvidia machines
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> cousin_mario:  handy little tool :)
[13:05] <cousin_mario> my eyes thank you all
[13:06] <unknown_> Dr_Willis: working fine with plymouth or has issues?
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> plymnouth works then breaks then works the next day...
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> No idea what todys status is
[13:07] <yofel> vistakiller1: it is fixed, it looked even worse than it looks right now before that
[13:07] <vistakiller1> :P
[13:08] <hmw> problems with playback of flv files to be expected?
[13:09] <unknown_> Dr_Willis: have there been updates since RC release or not?
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  no idea. i had a few updates today. but these are ahpha-beta-rc updated machines
[13:09] <yofel> unknown_: there have been a lot
[13:10] <unknown_> ok tks
[13:10] <unknown_> do you recommend 32 or 64 bits version?
[13:10] <yofel> unknown_: today plymouth works on my nvidia 250GTS with nvidia195, but it's a bit unstable as Dr_Willis said
[13:11] <unknown_> my pc supports x64, but i remember having trouble with some plugins
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> it dosent really seem to work on my Nvidia5500   - system boots.. i just dont see the  plymouth  splash
[13:11] <vistakiller1> just see one guy with intel gpu to have the same problem
[13:11] <vistakiller1> and i was thinking that was only nvidia problem
[13:12] <yofel> vistakiller1: afaik KMS was disabled for a few intel gpus as it caused too much problems
[13:12] <unknown_> do you guys use the x64 version?
[13:12] <vistakiller1> i use
[13:12] <penguin42> unknown_: Yeh I do
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> i normally use 64bit
[13:13] <unknown_> do you have that problem with flash, in which you cannot click on youtube buttons?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  see fix;s at -> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do3
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  see fix;s at -> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do
[13:13] <unknown_> and btw, is anyone here able to use veetle plugin on x64 ubuntu (firefox) ?
[13:14] <cousin_mario> bye
[13:15] <vistakiller1> who was the decision to go to plymouth splash screen?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> vistakiller1:  Bill Gates'
[13:15] <vistakiller1> when the splash now is only 3 seconds
[13:15] <unknown_> lol
[13:15] <vistakiller1> but is wrong to put a moving splash screen
[13:15] <Dr_Willis>  All complaints please see #ubuntu-complaints
[13:15] <vistakiller1> when the splash screen is only 3 seconds
[13:16] <Dr_Willis>  For a Full refund see  #ubuntu-refunds
[13:16] <vistakiller1> Dr_Willis is logical to have a static screen to 3 seconds boot
[13:16] <Dr_Willis>  All complaints please see #ubuntu-complaints
[13:16] <hmw> Dr_Willis: however, this pre-release-blues is the worst I have seen in 3 years
[13:16] <Dr_Willis> Its not worth argueing over vistakiller1
[13:17] <hmw> and this is going to be an LTS...
[13:17] <vistakiller1> lts only for server
[13:17] <yofel> vistakiller1: no, LTS for desktop too
[13:17] <vistakiller1> i dont think they care for desktop lts
[13:17] <robin0800> hmw: seems to be OK here
[13:17] <vistakiller1> the money is the server
[13:18] <hmw> robin0800: i am really fighting here. This computer used to run perfectly with hardy
[13:19] <unknown_> ubuntu 10.04 is configured to upgrade only to LTS releases or normal releases too?
[13:19] <vistakiller1> none big company in linux world really care about dekstop use
[13:19] <robin0800> hmw: mind you this is a nc6000 laptop with an ati graphics card/chip
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> One normally upgrades from LTS to LTS.. or in each 'step' for non lts's
[13:20] <unknown_> Dr_Willis: but when 10.10 is out, will i have the option to upgrade or not?
[13:20] <robin0800> Dr_Willis: and if you do an intermediate one I would do a clean install
[13:21] <unknown_> with the software update manager?
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> robin0800:  you can always upgrade...
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  what are you using right now?
[13:21] <unknown_> nothing lol
[13:21] <unknown_> but ill be using lucid
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> !final
[13:21] <pt_user> i have an issue with 3D acceleration on an Intel gma965 card
[13:21] <Ian_Corne> hmm, anyone running fglrx?
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  so install the rc if you want.
[13:22] <pt_user> only appeared now in 10.04
[13:22] <hmw> apt-get update  seems only to download the latest package lists, but doesnt install the stuff... what am I missing?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> hmw:  the actual 'upgrade' part
[13:22] <unknown_> Dr_Willis: ok. Then use the software update manager normally or apt-get dist-upgrade?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update, sudo apt-get upgrade
[13:22] <hmw> and what is the difference between updating a system and upgrading to the next release??
[13:22] <yofel> hmw: rather use 'sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade && sudo aptiude full-upgrade'
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> or dist-upgrade
[13:22] <unknown_> and what is the difference between apt-get and aptitude?
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> upgrade would  stick to  the 'release' youa re using. Not the next release
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  not a lot. :)
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> unknown_:  aptitude does a few things a little diffently
[13:23] <acicula> g2g, dead battery
[13:23] <unknown_> ok
[13:23] <yofel> unknown_: 2 apps for the same purpose, where aptitude has more features and a better dependency resolver than apt-get
[13:23] <unknown_> but software manager uses apt-get right?
[13:23] <robin0800> unknown_: aptitude is newer and consider more robust
[13:23] <yofel> unknown_: no, it uses even another interface to apt
[13:24] <unknown_> lol
[13:24] <unknown_> ok
[13:25] <hmw> playback of flv does not work, it shows the first frame, then black. sound works. Hints?
[13:25] <hmw> applies to all vids
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> hmw:   like on Youtube?
[13:28] <hmw> didnt try youtube yet... on hd
[13:28] <hmw> i see the first frame, then black
[13:30] <hmw> i have other issues, perhaps my video card is not fully compatible... :(
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Youtbe is working hjere
[13:31] <hmw> sound is broken, too, i am quite puzzled
[13:31] <hmw> youtube works
[13:33] <unknown_> hmw: what is your hardware? have you fully upgraded and installed the restricted drivers available?
[13:33] <DefaultTo0> Hi guys, I'm having a problem with booting Lucid. After selecting Ubuntu from Grub, my screen goes blank for about 20 seconds, then displays the login screen, then goes blank again, then the login screen comes back. I get a purple splash screen about 50% of the time.
[13:34] <penguin42> DefaultTo0: Is this an upgrade or fresh install? What's your graphics hardware?
[13:34] <hmw> unknown_: some intel onboard (dell), yes and yes
[13:34] <hmw> this is the 6th install i am trying
[13:34] <penguin42> Intel drivers should do youtube ok (although mightstruggle with high end HD)
[13:34] <hmw> not yuotube... local vids
[13:34] <DefaultTo0> penguin42: I've upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 RC. My current graphics driver is "NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver (version current)"
[13:35] <unknown_> hmw: dont know if this has to do, but i suppose you have restricted-extras installed...
[13:35] <DefaultTo0> penguin42: My graphics card is GeForce 8600M GT
[13:35] <jibadeeha> do you think ubuntu 10.04 will change the look and feel of the GDM so it matches dark colours used for the main theme
[13:35] <hmw> i noticed, because some vids on my desktop wont thumbnail
[13:35] <hmw> unknown_: yes, i have, ??
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> jibadeeha:  i think most of that all is frozen
[13:35] <hmw> ist that bad?
[13:35] <penguin42> DefaultTo0: OK, I'm not an nvidia user, but I think I've said there are problems with old drivers after an upgrade, try and get it to uninstall the current Nvidia closed driver and have it put the latest one in
[13:35] <jibadeeha> Dr_Willis, that is a shame :(
[13:36] <penguin42> hmw: Do you know which intel ?   (lspci | grep -i vga    should tell you)
[13:36] <unknown_> hmw: no
[13:36] <hmw> 82865G
[13:37] <DefaultTo0> penguin42: Are you saying that I should deactivate the version-current driver and activate the version-173 driver, which is the only other driver in System > Administration > Hardware Drivers?
[13:37] <penguin42> hmw: hmm I woould have thought it should work
[13:37] <hmw> i cant help but imagine myself using a broadaxe first on my pc then on ubuntu devs
[13:37] <hmw> 30 hours of trying
[13:37] <unknown_> hmw: are you using totem?
[13:38] <hmw> yes
[13:38] <unknown_> hmm
[13:38] <unknown_> try vlc or mplayer
[13:38] <penguin42> DefaultTo0: I don't know enough about the Nvidia drivers to answer that; but can you actually get to those menus - your report seemed to suggest it did before that
[13:38] <hmw> thats no solution, because many other things will not work, if totem cant do it
[13:38] <unknown_> what kind of things?
[13:39] <hmw> opening a stream from a web site in the player for example... orf does not work in vlc
[13:39] <hmw> i want a normal system, not some workarounds
[13:39] <DefaultTo0> penguin42: Yes, my computer eventually finishes booting, it's just that sometimes the blank screen interrupts the boot process a couple of times.
[13:39] <penguin42> DefaultTo0: Ohhh, that's probably something completely different - I thought you mean you got a blank screen *instead* of the desktop
[13:40] <hmw> hmm i apt-get removed non-free-codecs but it still "plays" flv files in totem?? how?
[13:41] <penguin42> Dr_Willis/yofel: I'm looking at a bug about failing during install that's currently against Ubuntu, should it be against ubiquity?
[13:41] <DefaultTo0> penguin42: No, what is happening is that before I can type in my password at the login screen, it goes back to a blank screen for about 20 seconds before bouncing me back to the login screen again.
[13:41] <Alan> Is anybody else getting really bad graphics performance with ATI cards on the proprietary driver?
[13:41] <unknown_> hmw: what is the error you get when trying to play flv?
[13:41] <coz_> hey guys..  am I seeing this correctly?  mutter has replace metacity on lucid?
[13:41] <yofel> penguin42: bug number?
[13:41] <penguin42> yofel: Bug 569730
[13:41] <hmw> it plays, i see the first frame of the vid (not only flv affected) and then it is black
[13:42] <penguin42> coz_: metacity still seems to be here
[13:42] <hmw> i dont get it, it worked 2 days ago... i will try another install
[13:42] <coz_> penguin42,  well here I had to actually install metacity   but mutter was installed by default
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> Ive installed from usb stickbefor. However.  the server edition i think cant install that way
[13:42] <penguin42> coz_: Interesting, this was an upgrade, maybe it is on fresh install?
[13:42] <coz_> penguin42,  fresh
[13:43] <yofel> penguin42: if it doesn't even boot then I would assign it to 'linux'  (and add the 'lucid' tag please)
[13:43] <unknown_> hmw: sorry i dont know, that doesnt seem to be a common bug
[13:43] <hmw> it is this strange pc and my personal karma, i guess :)
[13:43] <hmw> it ought to work 100% on hary heron, even with compiz and sound... neither work nicely in lucid.
[13:44] <yofel> penguin42: and it's usually better if you ask a question like that in -bugs (you'll get more feedback)
[13:44] <penguin42> ok
[13:44] <pawel__> Hi, I suspect I'm affected by some memory leak in Xorg or some Xorg related thing. I'm using Kubuntu Lucid and Xorg memory usage is usually higher then 100MB after couple of minutes
[13:44] <DefaultTo0> penguin42: Where would error messages be stored from the boot process, so I can see what's going wrong?
[13:44] <unknown_> hmw: what about karmic?
[13:45] <yofel> pawel__: depending on the applications you have open this might be ok
[13:45] <hmw> i only tried jaunty besides hardy
[13:45] <hmw> (no karmic cd downloaded yet)
[13:45] <Ian_Corne> Anyone using fglrx and has direct rendering?
[13:45] <penguin42> DefaultTo0: Well post-login messages normally end up in things like .xsession-errors but it depends where those blank screens are coming from
[13:45] <yofel> pawel__: it uses 33mb on my netbook and 80mb on my desktop here
[13:45] <unknown_> sorry, cant help you more
[13:46] <unknown_> w8 for the final release and reinstall
[13:46] <pawel__> yofel: usually Firefox is running and I have compositions enabled, but I tried Arch Linux before and it usually wasn't higher then 40MB
[13:46] <unknown_> or just try karmic or other distro
[13:47] <penguin42> yofel: Actually, I'm going to put that one against casper looking at the logs
[13:47] <Odd-rationale> Since Lucid uses grub2, I will be able to boot from a LVM2 partition, correct?
[13:47] <hmw> meh
[13:48] <yofel> penguin42: oh right, seems like wrong mount syntax
[13:48] <penguin42> yofel: Not quite, it's tried to find the fs type on the loop and failed and not spotted it
[13:49] <yofel> ah
[13:54] <pawel__> yofel: I don't know if this makes a difference, but Xorg's memory usage usually doesn't lower after closing running apps
[13:54] <yofel> hm, could be a memory leak somewhere (not the gem one, that was fixed)
[13:55] <khamael> just wondered about one thing. Do I have to do a clean install of Lucid to get all the new features, or will an update do?
[13:55] <yofel> update should be enough
[13:55] <pawel__> yofel: yes, I'm using Radeon OS driver and I disabled KMS for now
[13:57] <pt_user> Lucid slows down to a crawl with 3d acceleration on Intel gma965 family cards
[13:58] <pt_user> anybody know of a workaround?
[13:58] <yofel> pt_user: do you have all updates installed? (just curious, what does 'glxinfo | grep GLX\ version' give you?)
[13:59] <pt_user> yofel: GLX version 1.2
[14:00] <pt_user> yofel: i'm running the RC, and just updated this morning through the update manager
[14:01] <yofel> ok, not the gem issue then
[14:05] <coppro> against which package do I report a critical bug int he boot process?
[14:05] <coppro> fsck is not working properly
[14:06] <om26er> mountall ?
[14:07] <coppro> hmm... sounds good, I guess
[14:07] <coppro> anyone have a clue why fsck on startup is giving false negatives?
[14:07] <coppro> it keeps saying the file system is clean when it most certainly is not
[14:07] <om26er> coppro, try this list and you might have one of those bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall
[14:09] <coppro> thanks
[14:20] <ouyes> looking forward to 10.04
[14:29] <C_h0use> Has anyone noticed if 10.04 lost some support for USB WiFi adapters?
[14:30] <pt_user> yofel: has this bug already been reported?
[14:30] <C_h0use> No, I just tested it yesterday.
[14:31] <yofel> pt_user: we have a few memory leak issues with xorg it seems, if unsure better file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug xorg' and give as much information as possible
[14:31] <C_h0use> My adapter can pick up the signals, but when i try to connect the light on the adapter just keeps flashing and after 30 seconds it quits trying to connect.
[14:31] <RambJoe> does anyone how to install "repo" so i can get the Android source?
[14:32] <C_h0use> How do i file a bug, I never done it before.
[14:33] <pt_user> yofel: i'll file one as soon as i can then. do you know any tool in the repository that will dump my hardware info to a text file?
[14:33] <yofel> RambJoe: not sure, 'repo' is a common acronym for 'repository', do you mean that?
[14:34] <RambJoe> http://source.android.com/download#TOC-Installing-Repo
[14:34] <C_h0use> Thanks
[14:34] <RambJoe> it doesn't work though
[14:35] <yofel> pt_user: ubuntu-bug (apport) will already include information, if you think something is missing after you looked at the report there's lspci, lsusb, lshw and others
[14:35] <RambJoe> repo: command not found :S
[14:35] <pt_user> ok, thank you
[14:36] <yofel> RambJoe: do you have a ~/bin/repo file after following the steps on the page?
[14:36] <RambJoe> yeah
[14:36] <yofel> RambJoe: what does 'echo $PATH' give you?
[14:36] <RambJoe> um i'll do it again hang on
[14:37] <RambJoe> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/media/New
[14:37] <yofel> RambJoe: and can you try 'source ~/.profile' and try again?
[14:37] <pt_user> apport was easier to use than i thought it would. overall i'm very happy with the RC. thank you for the help
[14:37] <RambJoe> bash: export: `Volume/Tools/android-sdk-linux_86/tools': not a valid identifier
[14:39] <yofel> RambJoe: when did you get that error?
[14:39] <RambJoe> when i typed source ~/.profile
[14:40] <cwillu> RambJoe, type "set -x", and then do that agian
[14:40] <Dr_Willis> i think you got a typo on a line in the profile
[14:40] <yofel> that comes fromt the .bashrc then I think
[14:41] <penguin42> RambJoe: Have you got a disk called 'New Volume' ?
[14:41] <yofel> or .profile if it's there
[14:41] <RambJoe> yeah
[14:41] <penguin42> RambJoe: You'll need to add " around the path because of the space
[14:41] <cwillu> or put a \ before the space (and any other special characters in general)
[14:41] <RambJoe> i think i put the repo thing on drive ubunu is on though
[14:42] <yofel> RambJoe: that has nothing to do with repo
[14:42] <RambJoe> well android sdk is on that
[14:42] <RambJoe> oh
[14:43] <RambJoe> after i did chmod i didn't get any errors
[14:43] <yofel> RambJoe: you have missing quotes in either .bashrc or .profile and it fails to add ~/bin/ to the PATH because of that
[14:43] <yofel> thus it won't find repo when you try to run it
[14:43] <RambJoe> where are these files then?
[14:43] <yofel> RambJoe: well, you addet the Volume/Tools/android-sdk-linux_86/tools line somewhere didn't you?
[14:44] <RambJoe> not that i remember though :S
[14:44] <RambJoe> oh i know what's happened
[14:44] <RambJoe> the drive used to be called new volume but i changed it to 15 as i had two drives with the same name
[14:46] <yofel> RambJoe: then make sure you correct it and that you have neither a ~/.bash_profile nor a ~/.bash_login file
[14:46] <RambJoe> oh so this should be in the .profile file?
[14:47] <RambJoe> oh
[14:47] <yofel> RambJoe: well, the first thing .profile does by default is 'source ~/.bashrc', so make sure all script sourced by .profile and .bashrc work fine
[14:47] <RambJoe> ok
[14:48] <RambJoe> ah i found the new volume thing in .bashrc thanks :)
[14:49] <yofel> RambJoe: then correct it and don't forget to put the pathname in quotes, then try source .profile again
[14:50] <RambJoe> thanks it works now :D
[14:51] <Crashbit> Hello!
[14:51] <Crashbit> How I can reinstall the 2.6.32-20 kernel in lucid
[14:51] <TheInfinity> Crashbit: apt-get reinstall <kernerl package>
[14:52] <Crashbit> TheInfinity: no condidate for package 2.6.32-20-generic
[14:52] <TheInfinity> Crashbit: thats not your kernel package :)=
[14:52] <TheInfinity> thats a meta package
[14:52] <yofel> Crashbit: that kernel isn't available in the archive anymore
[14:53] <Crashbit> yofel: I can not find this package in another repository?
[14:54] <TheInfinity> Crashbit: lucids kernel is 2.6.32.21, not 2.6.32.20
[14:54] <cwillu> why do you need that specific version?
[14:55] <TheInfinity> Crashbit: you wont find 2.6.32.20 in lucid repos
[14:56] <Crashbit> cwillu: i need this version becouse doen't exist any nouveau module backport for actual version
[14:56] <Crashbit> in the xorg-edgers PPA
[14:56] <cwillu> that sentence doesn't make any sense
[14:56] <Crashbit> mm
[14:57] <cwillu> oh, I get it
[14:57] <cwillu> just wait a bit then, there'll be a nouveau package right away in that repo
[14:57] <cwillu> i.e., whenever the build queue has finished
[14:58] <cwillu> geez, what package is lightsoff in?
[14:58] <Crashbit> OK, I'll wait a little
[14:59] <cwillu> argh, wrong machine
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> !find lightsoff
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> :)
[15:04] <Dr_Willis> !info  lightsoff
[15:04] <cwillu> I was dpkg-query'ing on a karmic machine I was ssh'd into
[15:06] <cwillu> !find swellfoop
[15:07] <cwillu> yes it does, you lying robot
[15:07] <thiebaude> lol
[15:07] <cwillu> stupid dash
[15:09] <thiebaude> cwillu, yep it sure is in synaptic:)
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> hmm ok no direct rendering when using compiz only
[15:14] <Ian_Corne> still..
[15:23] <yofel> !info swell-foop
[15:23] <yofel> !info wesnoth-1.8
[15:23] <yofel> we certainly have wesnoth-1.8 in lucid...
[15:24] <Ian_Corne> yes we do
[15:24] <yofel> jussi: bot bug?
[15:34] <majnoon> can we join ubuntu+7 ??
[15:34] <XaS> go ahead
[15:35] <majnoon> only seen +1
[15:35] <XaS> that doesn't stop you from creating it ;)
[15:37] <pawel__> I reported before about Xorg consuming a lot of memory and its using 155MB right now, is there any way to provide useful data to have this issue fixed?
[15:37] <c0vert> pawel__, it's already a known bug
[15:38] <majnoon> if was going through THAT much trouble prob would start MAJbuntu :P
[15:38] <pawel__> c0vert: could you point me to this bug?
[15:39] <c0vert> 565981 i believe
[15:40] <pawel__> c0vert: afaik this one should be already fixed and it's GEM related and I'm using os radeon driver
[15:41] <siriusnova> hi
[15:42] <siriusnova> ok so
[15:42] <siriusnova> i dunno if I like the new maximize minimize button locations
[15:43] <pawel__> c0vert: also, it was probably DRI2 related, but I disabled it (by disabling KMS)
[15:43] <c0vert> i'm not sure, i have radeon 3200HD and i don't see any problems
[15:43] <yofel> bug 565981
[15:43] <yofel> that's fixed, yes
[15:44] <pawel__> c0vert: so it looks older radeons are related, I'm using x1600xt
[15:44] <pawel__> affected*
[15:48] <peturi> Hi, if i choose to install Ubuntu 10.04 RC1.. will it become just like a normal distro after the normal launch?
[15:48] <peturi> That is.. will it automatically adjust to the correct repos
[15:48] <peturi> ?
[15:48] <void^> yes, repos are the same anyways
[15:53] <c0vert> 944 root       5   0  279m 124m  32m S   14  4.5  62:47.04 Xorg.....not that off you pawel?
[15:55] <pawel__> c0vert: how did you check this?
[15:55] <c0vert> using the top command
[15:56] <pawel__> thanks
[15:56] <pawel__> 905 root      20   0  871m 165m 9648 S    5  8.2   9:58.50 Xorg
[15:57] <FiReSTaRT> hello
[15:57] <c0vert> doesn't seem that crazy
[15:57] <pawel__> c0vert: a little difference ;>
[15:57] <td123> was the recent xorg mem leak in 10.04 caused by a patch ubuntu used?
[15:58] <c0vert> you said it's an older machine though
[15:58] <pawel__> c0vert: yes, but in Arch Xorg was around 40MB
[15:58] <pawel__> xserver 1.7.6 as far as I remember
[15:58] <FiReSTaRT> has anyone played gained an insight into the new nvidia drivers? has 190 been behaving better than 185? how does the open driver compare?
[15:59] <c0vert> well, you definitely don't run ubuntu to save on memory lol
[15:59] <FiReSTaRT> if your experiences have been with 8400, even better :P
[16:00] <pawel__> c0vert: I hope this will be fixed, because Lucid seems to have great KDE implementation :>
[16:00] <pawel__> even better then Arch Linux
[16:09] <hmw> i downloaded the karmic iso, and try to put it onto my thumb drive, but the startup disk generator program wont let me set the size of the persistent disk file. what might be wrong?
[16:10] <FiReSTaRT> hmw: you should get better support in #ubuntu.. this is a lucid channel :P
[16:10] <hmw> i am using lucid now
[16:10] <hmw> holy cow, i have real bad luck today
[16:11] <FiReSTaRT> hmw: i haven't played with it on lucid so i can't help you there but even on karmic it can be a bit buggy
[16:11] <unknown_> lol
[16:11] <Reckon> evening
[16:12] <hmw> is there any commercial unix out there, that has comparable features, but actually works? i am ready to buy one.
[16:13] <c0vert> !offtopic | hmw
[16:13] <BluesKaj> hmw, if you like red hat or mandriva there are commercial versions for sale
[16:14] <FiReSTaRT> btw, since i've never gone this way, has anyone experienced any issues with creating a lucid startup usb with karmic?
[16:14] <guntbert> FiReSTaRT: I did id once and it worked for me
[16:15] <BluesKaj> hmw, I don't think the enterprise versions of linux are any better than (k)ubuntu
[16:16] <hmw> i wasnt talking about linux. but it is offtopic. thanks for the hint though.
[16:16] <FiReSTaRT> guntbert: good to know.. i dont wanna be beggin' the mrs or the inlaws for one and i'm 8500km away from home.. was gonna wait for the ea's to rape the servers for a week or two but after reading up on the features, my curiosity's gonna force me to camp here and keep asking "are we there yet dad are we there yet dad are we there yet dad" :D
[16:17] <FiReSTaRT> one = cd
[16:18] <pawel__> hmw: comercial unixes are nearly dead :)
[16:19] <bastid_raZor> compared from beta to RC .. are loads up updates still required after fresh install? have yet to install either but had downloaded both iso's
[16:19] <FiReSTaRT> btw i hate to be a pest, but a few people entered the channel, so i might as well ask again.. when it comes to the nvidia drivers, can anyone comment on user experience differences between any (preferably all) of the 3.. 185, 190 and the open one
[16:19] <acicula> pawel__: dead like ibm/sun etc?
[16:20] <unknown_> bastid_raZor: yes, they update very much until final
[16:20] <Plugh> Will the upcoming release of Ubuntu include a sound theme editor?
[16:20] <pawel__> acicula: maybe not ibm, but other, sun is also slowly dying
[16:20] <bastid_raZor> unknown_: okay, thanks.
[16:21] <pawel__> acicula: as desktops they're dead
[16:22] <acicula> thats an entirely different statement ;)
[16:22] <Viper1432> FiReSTaRT,  simple. 195 drivers for the newer cards = fast 3d performance.  noveau = better compatibility with plymouth startup and clean 2d performance, but no 3d.  The older/other drivers prop. = same for older nvidia cards.
[16:23] <Egonis> I am trying to connect to a 40/128 WEP WiFi Network, however am re-prompted for the password each time. I had this same issue in Ubuntu 9.10, and upgraded hoping for a fix. Unfortunately, I am not authorized to change the router configuration, otherwise I would set it to WPA2 myself
[16:23] <maxagaz> where to check what driver is used ? I just installed the recommenced nvidia but the resolution worst than before, and I still can use the desktop effects on kubuntu.
[16:24] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: i know that u+1 comes stock with 190... but i was wondering if it offered any bug fixes in comparison with 185
[16:24] <maxagaz> still can't
[16:25] <Viper1432> its stock 195 FiReSTaRT , not 190.  And their are a ton of improvements over the 185 drivers.  check nvforums for release info, or nvidia's site for fixes/changes.
[16:26] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: i have been a bit confused by https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/TechnicalOverview it says that lucid comes with 190, 173 and 96
[16:27] <Viper1432> its 195.36.15 FiReSTaRT .  the wiki is out of date.
[16:27] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: let's hope they finally fix the hdmi sound issue for 8400
[16:27] <Viper1432> 173 and 96 are for the older cards btw
[16:29] <Viper1432> have no idea about the hdmi issue other than its been a bother for some.  i use a gtx260maxcore oc card and sound through an nforce motherboard..no issues, but I haven't bothered with hdmi as I route the analog to a pioneer amp.
[16:29] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: in my case, i just like the idea of being able to play a movie off my laptop on a big screen while on the go :)
[16:30] <Viper1432> I hear you...but the work around is still sony to rca jacks.  heh heh.
[16:30] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: even though i have to say that karmic had great hdmi support for the nvidia ion chipset that im running on my revo media box :)
[16:31] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: the workaround before i got the revo for me was just plugging in an old set of pc speakers, but i'm not at home now and wanna minimize the amount of cabling that i lug around.. airport security sucks
[16:31] <Viper1432> nods
[16:32] <Viper1432> if karmic had great hdmi capability...which nvidia drivers are you using with karmic?
[16:32] <FiReSTaRT> and i'd also like the ability to show off ubuntu in its best light :)
[16:33] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: well if it's the same version for all karmic boxes, it would be 185 (the newest stock version)
[16:33] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: it depends on the chipset... to maket it work on ion, all i needed to do was unmute in alsamixer
[16:34] <FiReSTaRT> to make it work on 8400... maybe i should go down to the local church and the mosque and the hindu temple and the moondancing circle.. one or more of them might do the trick
[16:34] <Viper1432> my advice then...hold off until you see the hdmi issues settled out. (if in fact there are issues.)  the old maxim: if it ain't broke... comes to mind.  Personally while I'm still testing ubuntu, 90% of my day to day is on my arch build now...and while not as "upstarty" as ubuntu...I'm slowly migrating away from it.
[16:35] <Viper1432> (away from ubuntu).
[16:37] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: i usually update to a new version in hopes of having everything work and not having to install newer software from source.. like in this case i'd really like linphone 3.2 for its proper gsm support (necessary with my voip provider in low bandwidth areas)
[16:37] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: karmic fixed a couple of major issues for me (suspend and built-in mic support).. hoping for the last one to be fixed by lucid, plus having some newer software won't hurt :P
[16:38] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: actually i can't install linphone 3.2 without effing up a whole bunch of stuff and spending like 10 hours screwing around with dependencies.. much easier to just install lucid
[16:39] <arand> FiReSTaRT: If you want things fixed, report bugs and help testing ;)
[16:39] <Daijoubu> which firewall frontend is recommended? Firestarter? Firewall configuration?!
[16:40] <FiReSTaRT> arand: first part done.. second part.. i don't have a spare 64bit machine, even though i might just leave an extra partition on this one for that purpose... how much would you recommend as a bare minimum?
[16:41] <Viper1432> Daijoubu, ubuntu comes with ufw built in.  just use the gufw frontend and you oughta be set.
[16:41] <FiReSTaRT> arand: to run the system and install a decent array of packages
[16:41] <penguin42> anyone had any luck with Wine and USB on Lucid (not tried it on anything earliereither)
[16:41] <Daijoubu> Viper1432 is it easy to configure like firestarter, i'm really no expert :)
[16:41] <Viper1432> FiReSTaRT,  on my 64bit box, for testing linux, 20gig root and 50-60 gig /home works. (imho).
[16:42] <Viper1432> Daijoubu,  its as simple as firestarter with the gufw frontend.  easier in some regards.
[16:42] <Daijoubu> Viper1432, that will be "Firewall Configuration" in software center right?
[16:42] <Viper1432> I really like the preconfigured stuff for allow/deny/add with gufw.  simplifies the snot of things for specific applications.
[16:43] <Viper1432> dai. one sec.  I just aptitude install stuff....very seldom touch the software center.
[16:43] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: i don't know if i'd wanna spare 70-80gig on a 320 gig drive that sometimes has a good amount of media... might go with a 40gig / partition... was hoping to be able to get away with as little as 20 lol
[16:44] <Viper1432> if its for pure testing firestart.  /root = 10gig  /home 30gig.   I'd not go much lower than that unless you are just testing bare bones.  although you could probably do a 10-20 gig home. shrugs.
[16:44] <arand> FiReSTaRT: Hmm, for root absolute minimum is somewhere around 4GB I think, but that mean a constant worry about space... 8GB works fairly well for a normal system, with no data storage or bigger games, and it won't work with dist-upgrades very well (since the need a lot of extra during the process), 12GB should do fine for most things, in my experience... Then plus the swap if you need it/want to test suspend.
[16:45] <Viper1432> just remember to make swap same + a little over system ram for suspend.
[16:45] <Daijoubu> Viper1432, never mind i found it :) thanks for the help
[16:45] <Viper1432> np Daijoubu
[16:45] <arand> *dist-upgrades as in lucid→meerkat whenever that becomes relevant.
[16:46] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: can i have 2 installs use the same swap partition or is it not such a hot idea?
[16:46] <Viper1432> or with swap...just use the existing swap partition.  all my partition/distros use the same swap partition.
[16:46] <FiReSTaRT> lol
[16:46] <FiReSTaRT> thanks :)
[16:46] <Viper1432> swap is swap.  I've never had any issue with arch/ubuntu/whatever flavor sharing the same swap.
[16:46] <Viper1432> np
[16:47] <FiReSTaRT> i didn't see any issues outright but you know what they say about "assume"
[16:47] <Viper1432> true dat.
[16:48] <FiReSTaRT> yeah the testing would be very barebones.. the os and a few packages.. might test some games just to see if the audio support is as bad in lucid as it is in karmic
[16:49] <FiReSTaRT> well more like in MM (testing purposes :P)
[16:49] <Viper1432> for barebones  8gig root 10gig home.  (I use that combo for virtualbox stuff and its enough.
[16:50] <FiReSTaRT> i probably wouldn't even bother with separate partitions on a test box
[16:50] <FiReSTaRT> just dump everything into /
[16:50] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT, my experience with lucid so far is quite positive compared to karmic if networking is any indicator then lucid will be a better OS
[16:50] <arand> If you do fairly barebones testing I would claim you don't need to allocate anything for home
[16:50] <Daijoubu> How can i add a custom program in Firewall configuration programs list? O-O
[16:50] <maxagaz> what file does replace /et/X11.xorg.conf, I've just installed kubuntu and the recommended nvidia driver, now my resolution is messed up
[16:51] <Viper1432> i never EVER do that FiReSTaRT. (all in /).  nasty habit to get into.  I just get all sweaty thinking about that. (and not in a good way.)  :D
[16:51] <maxagaz> /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[16:51] <FiReSTaRT> BluesKaj: i've been having a decent networking experience ever since jaunty.. no kernel panics in low signal areas :)
[16:52] <FiReSTaRT> Viper1432: it's a nasty habit for a production system (unless you do regular backups of /home) but for a disposable system, i like the flexibility this gives me
[16:52] <BluesKaj> FiReSTaRT, I'm actually using NM now , whereas in previous versions including jaunty I had to use wicd , evn on my laptop
[16:52] <Viper1432> still....shivers and sweaty palms FiReSTaRT .  :D
[16:52] <Viper1432> Daijoubu,  are you using the gufw front end for the firewall?
[16:52] <Daijoubu> Viper1432, yes
[16:53] <Viper1432> then see the plus and minus buttons?
[16:53] <FiReSTaRT> BluesKaj: hmmm i never had issues with nm.. worked outta te box ever since intrepid, on every machine i ever installed it on
[16:53] <Killa> Hey, I recently updated my system from 9.10 to 10.04, and now whenever I boot, I get the error: "nForce2_smbus 0000:00:0a.1 Error probing SMB1" - I'm running a nVidia motherboard and 2x nVidia GPUs (Not in SLI) - Does anyone know what would cause this/how to fix it?
[16:54] <FiReSTaRT> ok time for me to grab some grub... ttyl gentlemen :)
[16:54] <Daijoubu> Viper1432, there is Add rule and Remove rule, but in the add rule the list of programs does not include this custom program i have for watching tv o-o
[16:54] <Daijoubu> and there's no options which i can see where i can add a new one? or i'm blind or something :D
[16:54] <wolter> anybody with an xps m1530 and 10.04 getting wireless problems at startup?
[16:55] <h00k> wolter: the card with wireless N, right?
[16:55] <Viper1432> Daijoubu,  if its a custom program, then you would use the simple or advanced tab to put in the information the application needs. (simple = a port or address) advance = a range.
[16:55] <h00k> wolter: mine worked ootb
[16:55] <wolter> h00k, wireless n? its 802.11 I think
[16:55] <wolter> g
[16:55] <Viper1432> er...i should have said service or port (not address.
[16:55] <wolter> h00k, yeah, mine too, but sometimes like my kernel forgets to load something
[16:55] <wolter> so I can't use network
[16:56] <Daijoubu> Viper1432, the program works on the ptp basis like a torrent :/ how can i know every possible ip from any random user that might connect to it O-O
[16:56] <BluesKaj> Killa, are you setup with dual heads for gaming ...thinking so due to the 2 gpus
[16:56] <h00k> wolter: ah, okay. Perhaps someone can help you here, then.
[16:56] <Viper1432> Daijoubu,  which psp app?
[16:56] <Viper1432> er. p2p app?
[16:56] <wolter> good to find another person with an xps m1530 haha
[16:56] <Daijoubu> Viper1432, its called KeyHoleTv for watching japanese tv channels online o-o
[16:56] <arand> h00k: wolter: I've got that model too, does plymouth work pooprly with nouveau for you as well...
[16:57] <Killa> BluesKaj, I have 2 GPUs because I have 4 monitors, lol - I just kept the old one in when I upgraded. Didn't have any problems on 9.10
[16:57] <wolter> I don't have nouveau, but I did notice that the plymouth for nvidia has improved
[16:57] <Killa> BluesKaj, I also do a lot of gaming, even on my Linux machine, if it matters.
[16:57] <wolter> it doesn't look like its vga8 colored anymore
[16:57] <h00k> arand: nouveau is pretty with plymouth, not with the native driver
[16:58] <Viper1432> Daijoubu,  never heard of it...but in its settings/preferences, it should have a range for the ports allowed....or even better it should have upnp capability.  if it has upnp then you don't need to set the firewall.  if you are concerned about incoming 'snoops', then something like peerguardian is a better solution.
[16:59] <BluesKaj> Killa, I was curious about your 2 nvidia cards , are they the same model , if not then you may have driver issues.
[17:00] <Killa> BluesKaj, No. The primary is a GTS 250, the secondary is an 8800GT. They worked perfectly with 9.10, so I don't know why that'd be the issue.
[17:00] <arand> h00k: native == binary blob ? Hmmm, I've been getting text plymouth with some ugly boot messages quite a lot, as well ass artifacts from earlier sessions on boot...
[17:01] <h00k> arand: sorry, not native, I meant nvidia's proprietary driver
[17:02] <francesco_> hi guys
[17:02] <francesco_> I need some help with getting internet
[17:02] <BluesKaj> Killa, so the same driver worked on both cards in 9.10?
[17:02] <arand> h00k: And you are not using the xorg-edgers or anything fancy?
[17:03] <thisguykills> So I have a netbook, and I installed lucid lynx
[17:03] <Killa> BluesKaj, that's correct. I'm also currently on the 10.04 LiveCD, on the computer that was screwed up, if it matters.
[17:03] <thisguykills> I need to get internet to it, but I cant because the wireless driver needs an update
[17:03] <thisguykills> is there any way I could download the wireless driver on this computer and transfer it?
[17:04] <Viper1432> thisguykills,  don't plug the cord into your washingmachine this time, k?  :D
[17:04] <thisguykills> hah
[17:04] <Viper1432> sorry, couldn't resist. :D
[17:04] <thisguykills> I tried doing the ethernet thing again and it didnt work
[17:04] <thisguykills> I think its because of the conflicting OS's from the desktop to the laptop
[17:05] <thisguykills> desktop is running XP and I dont think it can share internet via CAT-5 to ubuntu
[17:05] <Daijoubu> Guys where can i find that fix for the theme to change the buttons position?o-o
[17:06] <BluesKaj> Killa, you could disable one of the cards in the bios to see if it works by itself then switch to the other one to test it as well,on the installed OS .
[17:06] <thisguykills> Viper1432: I installed all the things it told me to install last night, but now for some reason I cant activate the driver
[17:06] <thisguykills> when I go to the hardware drivers app, it shows a blank where the driver should be
[17:07] <thisguykills> and now when I try to enable wireless networking, there isn't even an option to.. It just says enable networked, enable wired networking
[17:07] <Killa> BluesKaj, my BIOS doesn't allow me to individually disable stuff, so I'll have to remove them. But I'll give it a shot.
[17:07] <Viper1432> thisguykills, if you followed that wiki page and its still not working, file a bug report against it...or search launchpad and see if its already been reported.  sorry I can't help any more with that, but my wifi never burped on my lappie.
[17:08] <Killa> BluesKaj, I also currently have acpi_enforce_resources=lax in my GRUB, should I remove that or keep it in?
[17:08] <h00k> arand: no, just a default install with nouveau, nothing fancy
[17:08] <thisguykills> ok I'll go google some more and see what I can dig up
[17:08] <LaserJock> anybody know how to debug missing suspend/hibernate on a laptop?
[17:09] <arand> h00k: Hmm, guess I need to do some reconfig of plymouth then, it worked ok earlier but has been messy for quite a while now..
[17:11] <Viper1432> Daijoubu,  you can find the gconf fix for the buttons here:  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/ubuntu-light-themes-package-0156.html
[17:11] <Daijoubu> is this the deb for changing buttons position ?https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/0.1.6.5/+build/1694183
[17:12] <Viper1432> dai you just have to change it in gconf....or use the link i posted and grab the script to do it via cli.
[17:12] <Daijoubu> hmm seams my link is a newer version?
[17:13] <Viper1432> the buttons aren't "newer" or "older".  its just a setting in gconf as to where they sit.
[17:13] <h00k> arand: I admit, I don't boot a ton, but when I do it's alright
[17:13] <h00k> s/boot/reboot/
[17:13] <Killa> BluesKaj, I'll just leave it in. Thanks for the help.
[17:14] <Viper1432> outta here.  have a good day all!
[17:15] <arand> h00k: Well, I've tried reinstalling plymouth stuff to what seems like the exent possible, so I guess I'll wait until I've got time to fix it up with a reinstall...
[17:17] <Daijoubu> umm changing the value to /apps/metacity/general/button_layout kinda broke the buttons :)
[17:19] <Daijoubu> fixed -_-''
[17:20] <pawel__> about Xorg memory leak again, using KMS Xorg is using only 25MB!
[17:20] <pawel__> so maybe there's memory leak in DRI(1)?
[17:21] <pawel__> with KMS disabled Xorg memory usage was from 30 up to 165!
[17:32] <fauzy> hi
[17:32] <fauzy> anyone else having issues with udev rules in /etc/udev/rules.d/????
[17:33] <erghezi> i cant login to yahoo with empathy
[17:33] <Ken8521_> erghezi, thats cuz empathy sucks.
[17:34] <Volkodav> it does
[17:34] <FiReSTaRT> enough to make 10 big bobs happy
[17:34] <fauzy> is that the reason? or do you see alot of drops in your log
[17:35] <erghezi> http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/54090/selection_016_r81ESw.png
[17:35] <fauzy> hey, any of you had issues with udev .rules
[17:35] <acicula> you mean like with network interfaces?
[17:36] <Ken8521_> erghezi, that doesn't change the fact that empathy sucks.
[17:36] <Ken8521_> erghezi, check your credentials because Pidgin is set up the exact same way for me, and my yahoo account is on fine
[17:38] <Ken8521_> dang, 195mb of updates today
[17:38] <erghezi> ken8521  i see server from Adium in mac
[17:38] <fauzy> @erghezi : if your credintial are correct then try a ping to the server listed in the empathy box. if ping doesnt work, then try cs112.msg.mud.yahoo.com
[17:38] <erghezi> ken8521  yahoo works good for me there:)
[17:38] <Ken8521_> erghezi, dunno, like i said, empathy sucks.
[17:39] <fauzy> @acicula no i wrote my .rules file and it is being parced but isnt sticking
[17:39] <fauzy> i see it in the x log
[17:39] <fauzy> but i still dont get touch pad functions
[17:40] <fauzy> any ideas?
[17:40] <erghezi> ken8521 pidgin now support audio or video?
[17:40] <Ken8521_> erghezi, i have no idea.
[17:41] <fauzy> i have heard of a known bug  with the kernel in somewhere between .14 and .32 that drops vertical scroll on synaptics driven ALPS pads
[17:41] <fauzy> help
[17:41] <Ken8521_> erghezi, but even if Empathy does, it sucks so bad, i wouldn't use it over pidgin.. it's got a long way to go.
[17:41] <Ken8521_> erghezi, are you using ubuntu 9.10?
[17:42] <erghezi> ken8521 10.4:)
[17:42] <Ken8521_> hmm, i dunno
[17:42] <Ken8521_> tell your friends to get skype accounts..lol
[17:42] <fauzy> i like 10.4 so far
[17:42] <Ken8521_> fauzy, 10.04
[17:43] <fauzy> lol..10.04
[17:43] <fauzy> sorry
[17:43] <Ken8521_> hey, big difference
[17:43] <fauzy> yeah
[17:43] <Ken8521_> you'd search long and hard to find the 40th month of the year
[17:43] <fauzy> hahhaa
[17:44] <fauzy> anyone running 10.04 on a notebook?
[17:45] <Ken8521_> fauzy, yes...
[17:45] <fauzy> ok...do you know what touchpad your running?
[17:45] <Ken8521_> uh... no
[17:46] <fauzy> damn
[17:46] <Ken8521_> it's one i don't use..  use a mouse.. very very rarely do i enable my touchpad.
[17:46] <thisguykills> hey guys, I have a manual open in terminal and it tells me to type in -w|--target-dir DIR
[17:46] <thisguykills> when i type that in it gives me an error
[17:46] <fauzy> could you check if it has scroll working or not?
[17:46] <Ken8521_> fauzy, i know scroll works
[17:47] <fauzy> man.
[17:48] <guntbert> thisguykills: the command is not complete -- the first part (the actual command) is missing
[17:48] <fauzy> @ Ken: I am having issues with my ALPS touch pad. could run  xinput list and see if you can tell what touchpad your using.
[17:49] <Ken8521_> fauzy, not on it right now.. but will be here in about 10min, i'll look
[17:49] <fauzy> thanks.
[17:49] <thisguykills> guntbert: what would I put as the first part of the command?
[17:49] <fauzy> you should see a few input events for mouse(event number)
[17:50] <Ken8521_> ok, well, if i can't figur ei tout, i'll cut/paste it
[17:50] <fauzy> :-D
[17:50] <fauzy> thanks
[17:50] <guntbert> thisguykills: please look into the manual - I cannot know
[17:51] <fauzy> how do i change the color of my chat name.
[17:51] <Ken8521_> fauzy, i think in the settings...
[17:51] <Ken8521_> fauzy, are you using xchat?
[17:51] <fauzy> nope
[17:52] <fauzy> pidgin
[17:52] <Ken8521_> ugh
[17:52] <fauzy> its no big deal
[17:52] <Ken8521_> what is it w/ you guys.. pidgin and empathy for IRC, is like traveling cross country on roller skates
[17:52] <fauzy> lol
[17:52] <guntbert> thisguykills: but you could tell us what manual you are following
[17:52] <fauzy> its c ause i usally use the forums
[17:53] <fauzy> i dont chat much.
[17:53] <fauzy> @ thisguykills
[17:53] <thisguykills> guntbert: the b43-fwcutter manual
[17:53] <fauzy> what is your trying to get done dude
[17:53] <thisguykills> im trying to install the b43 firmware
[17:54] <fauzy> ok. closed or open source ?
[17:54] <fauzy> and what version?
[17:54] <fauzy> your os version i meant
[17:54] <thisguykills> 104
[17:54] <thisguykills> 10.4
[17:55] <fauzy> ok. you already have the driver on your system correct
[17:55] <thisguykills> not yet
[17:55] <thisguykills> I need to install the firmware first
[17:55] <fauzy> so just to clear things up: you HAVE NOT downloaded the driver yet
[17:56] <thisguykills> i tried installing it from my live USB but im not sure if it worked
[17:56] <thisguykills> I think it may be installed, I just need the firmware to get it working
[17:57] <guntbert> thisguykills: the "options" have to be appended to the program name : so b43-fwcutter -l ........
[17:57] <Ken8521> fauzy, this is my touchpad i do believe    ↳ AlpsPS/2 ALPS GlidePoint                	id=13	[slave  pointer  (2)]
[17:58] <fauzy> @ at ken, and your vertical scrolling works?
[17:58] <Ken8521> fauzy, yup, just turned my touchpad on to double check... it does
[17:58] <fauzy> @ thisguyskills :> copy past everything after the !> ! lspci -vnn | grep 14e4
[17:58] <fauzy> damn
[17:58] <fauzy> mine doesnt work.
[17:58] <guntbert> thisguykills: or  b43-fwcutter -w TARGETDIR  (where TARGETDIR must be an eexisting directory on your system)
[17:59] <fauzy> do you now what kernel your running?
[17:59] <thisguykills> balahhh
[17:59] <thisguykills> I gotta go
[17:59] <thisguykills> So sorry
[17:59] <thisguykills> I'll be back on later guys
[17:59] <Ken8521> fauzy, me?
[17:59] <fauzy> yes
[17:59] <Ken8521> .32-21
[17:59] <Vigo> fauzy: How do I find that out?
[18:00] <Ken8521> Vigo, your kernel?
[18:00] <Vigo> Yes
[18:00] <Ken8521> uname -r
[18:00] <Vigo> Thank you
[18:00] <Ken8521> np
[18:01] <Vigo> I thought it was lsb_release and stuff
[18:01] <guntbert> !who | fauzy  (no need to use @)
[18:01] <Ken8521> Vigo, no.. lsb_release -(various) usually says stuff specific to the distribution)
[18:01] <Vigo> Thank you
[18:02] <fauzy> man
[18:02] <fauzy> same kernel
[18:02] <Ken8521> Vigo, most common is -a and -d
[18:02] <Ken8521> fauzy, can't explain it, mine works fine
[18:03] <fauzy> wonder why i cant get my touchpad working correctly
[18:03] <fauzy> yeah. thanks for the help
[18:03] <Vigo> Ken8521: I am still kinda stuck in BSD cycles, I could not figure how to dual boot PC-BSD/FreeBSD and Ubuntu 10 ,,yet
[18:03] <Ken8521> fauzy, you're running 32bit, right?
[18:03] <fauzy> no
[18:03] <fauzy> 64
[18:03] <Ken8521> fauzy, well, there's the difference
[18:03] <fauzy> wait.
[18:03] <fauzy> 32, slack is 64
[18:03] <Ken8521> ok
[18:04] <fauzy> however, even if scrolling isnt working. > a rules file shouldd have addressed the problem. it didnt
[18:05] <fauzy> need help with udev rules not loading correctly
[18:05] <fauzy> 8u
[18:06] <Ken8521> Blue11, u around?
[18:12] <fauzy> nobody can help with udev issues?
[18:15] <fauzy> ?
[18:25] <Vigo> fauzy: Just more for me to learn, still looking.
[18:30] <Vigo> fauzy: I found a Launchpad page on it....
[18:37] <An_Ony_Moose> for upgrading to the RC, is it possible to download the packages now then do the actual upgrade later?
[18:38] <TheInfinity> An_Ony_Moose: yes. man aptitude. :)
[18:39] <An_Ony_Moose> TheInfinity, I don't know how to use aptitude >.<
[18:39] <An_Ony_Moose> only aptitude moo.
[18:39] <TheInfinity> thats why i said man before ;)
[18:39] <Vigo> man
[18:39] <TheInfinity> or man apt-get
[18:39] <An_Ony_Moose> oh
[18:39] <An_Ony_Moose> I thought you meant something like "man aptitude!"
[18:40] <TheInfinity> no, im not that unfriendly ;)
[18:41] <An_Ony_Moose> haha
[18:41] <An_Ony_Moose> thanks, but how do I make it upgrade to the RC from 9.10?
[18:41] <An_Ony_Moose> I don't think aptitude does that
[18:42] <dotblank> So I just discovered Latex
[18:42] <dotblank> I can't belive I haven't used it earlier
[18:42] <Vigo> An_Ony_Moose: Alt-F2?
[18:42] <An_Ony_Moose> Vigo, I know alt-f2. how does that help?
[18:43] <Vigo> An_Ony_Moose: That is a way to upgrade
[18:43] <An_Ony_Moose> no it's not
[18:43] <An_Ony_Moose> it just gives you a dialog which lets you run a command
[18:43] <An_Ony_Moose> brb
[18:44] <Sivik> hi all
[18:44] <Sivik> I installed beta 10.04 64 bit and whenever I load after I installed an nvidia driver, it freezes at this location:
[18:44] <Sivik> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2 and I cannot do anything else
[18:44] <Vigo> An_Ony_Moose: >https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades
[18:47] <Vigo> Sivik: Have you update && upgrade ?
[18:47] <Sivik> I cannot even do that.  I installed the nvidia drivers and did a reboot with a server kernel and now I cannot get anywhere past fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[18:48] <penguin42> Sivik: Boot with an install CD and fsck your partitions individually and then try booting again
[18:48] <Vigo> Yes
[18:50] <Sivik> alright, thanks penguin42
[18:51] <SandGorgon> anybody got suspend/resume working on kubuntu 10.04 ?
[18:51] <Bigbrumbrum> hello :) Why isnt my devices listed in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab?
[18:54] <Bigbrumbrum> is there any command to mount all disks/usb devices?
[18:55] <m0RrE> mount -a
[18:55] <m0RrE> will mount everything in /etc/fstab
[18:56] <FrancYescO> O.O
[18:57] <Bigbrumbrum> what does the command "mountall" do on boot?
[18:58] <psusi> Bigbrumbrum, mounts all your filesystems
[18:59] <An_Ony_Moose> back
[19:00] <Bigbrumbrum> Then this is not good, right? mountall: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.
[19:00] <Bigbrumbrum> mountall: Connection is closed mountall: Disconnected from Upstart
[19:00] <An_Ony_Moose> so I'll probably just have to do both steps in one go :/
[19:00] <psusi> yea, that's not good
[19:01] <Bigbrumbrum> can i fix it whitout a reinstall?
[19:01] <psusi> no idea
[19:04] <Bigbrumbrum> can i manually add disks in etc/fstab using sudo gedit?
[19:05] <An_Ony_Moose> Bigbrumbrum, yes. But be careful, it's easy to break stuff with it
[19:05] <Vigo> Any one tried Lubuntu Beta 3?
[19:05] <An_Ony_Moose> what's lubuntu? :/
[19:06] <Vigo> LXDE
[19:06] <Bigbrumbrum> is there any other solution when mountall dosent work?
[19:06] <An_Ony_Moose> what do you want to mount?
[19:06] <Bigbrumbrum> all my disks ^^
[19:07] <An_Ony_Moose> if they're not in /etc/fstab, they can't be autodetected
[19:07] <Bigbrumbrum> so i do need to add them myself?
[19:07] <psusi> that's not true
[19:07] <An_Ony_Moose> psusi, it's not?
[19:07] <psusi> drives not in fstab show up fine on the places menu and in the computer folder and will be mounted when you try to open them
[19:07] <Vigo> An_0ny_Moose: here> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu
[19:08] <An_Ony_Moose> Bigbrumbrum, it's better to mount them manually. or do you want them to mount on every boot?
[19:08] <grobda24> Did a recent release break networking / dbus / www ?
[19:08] <gilligan_> what's the current suggested solution to use ATI proprietary drivers with lucid ? i'm not getting anywhere with this (dlopen fails with undefined symbol: UpdateSpriteForScreen)
[19:09] <Bigbrumbrum> i would like to have them mounted on boot.
[19:10] <Bigbrumbrum> can faulty disk cause mountall to fail on boot?
[19:10] <grobda24> My dhcp client stopped running - /sbin/dhclient3
[19:10] <grobda24> Is this a known issue ? Should I report this ?
[19:11] <Alan> Does anybody here run a radeon 5770?  getting decent graphics performance?
[19:11] <Alan> Mine sucks, and i can't build the version of the drivers from the ATI website because their build scripts are broken and crap
[19:11] <Vigo> Alan: PCI?
[19:12] <Alan> but i'm definitely getting worse graphics performance on the proprietary driver now than I was on Jaunty
[19:12] <Alan> Vigo: PCI-E
[19:12] <SandGorgon> is anyone using tuxonice in lucid ?
[19:12] <Alan> And i've tried the open-source drivers, they're even worse :|
[19:12] <Vigo> Alan: I am running an oldish Radeon 850. PCI
[19:13] <Alan> for example, whenever i'm playing video in totem, if window focus changes i get a horrible tear where it's mixing with a black frame
[19:13] <Alan> and i also get horrible redraw lag when dragging windows
[19:13] <Vigo> Alan: Metacity?
[19:13] <Alan> yeah
[19:14] <Alan> I have no composite turned on, because that makes performance EVEN WORSE
[19:14] <Vigo> Alan: Did you try Clearbooks or anything else?
[19:14] <_1x2_> help me !
[19:14] <Alan> and I can't really use the open-source drivers because they haven't worked out how to stop fan speed being ridiculous....
[19:14] <Alan> Vigo: ?
[19:14] <_1x2_> sudo plymouth-log-viewer >>> Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...
[19:14] <_1x2_> Done.
[19:14] <_1x2_> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[19:14] <_1x2_> /dev/sdb1: clean, 322707/655776 files, 2455615/2622603 blocks (check after next mount)
[19:14] <_1x2_> init: ureadahead-other main process (815) terminated with status 4
[19:15] <_1x2_> help me !
[19:15] <Vigo> Alan: I changed Desktop to Clearbooks, seemed to work much better
[19:15] <gilligan_> Alan, I can't even get the fglrx to work at all
[19:15] <Alan> gilligan_:  :(
[19:15] <Alan> The one that jockey installs works
[19:15] <gilligan_> Alan, the driver from the repositories doesn't work .. i get a dlopen / missing symbol error in the xorg log
[19:15] <Alan> it's just not particularly good
[19:16] <gilligan_> Alan, jockey ?
[19:16] <gilligan_> Alan, that 'hardware-drivers' thingy ?
[19:16] <gilligan_> Alan, it does not list fglrx for me .. only Fire-GL for some reason
[19:17] <SandGorgon> hey guys.. I need to put "libata noacpi=1" in "/etc/modprobe.d/options" .. but the options file is obsolete I think. Where should I put it ?
[19:18] <Alan> gilligan_: what card?
[19:18] <gilligan_> Alan, radeon HD 5400-something
[19:19] <gilligan_> Alan, the weirdest thing though is that I had it working (even though the performance was GOD awful) before .. in between i tried some nvidia card (also sucked) and switched backed to the radeon now .. and I have no idea why I can't even get the driver loaded anymore now
[19:20] <shadeslayer> is there a shortcut to post updates via gwibber? like a key binding?
[19:20] <jh955> hi, will my 10.04 beta 2 automatically update to release candidate and final release?
[19:20] <gilligan_> Alan, the 10.3 installer fails .. 10.2 builds but I get the dlopen error .. and jockey doesn't list fglrx
[19:20] <shadeslayer> jh955: yes
[19:20] <jh955> great.
[19:20] <jh955> thanks
[19:20] <jh955> how do i know it's happened?
[19:20] <shadeslayer> jh955: of course itll ask you first :P
[19:20] <_1x2_> sudo plymouth-log-viewer >>> Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ...
[19:20] <_1x2_> Done.
[19:20] <_1x2_> fsck from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[19:20] <_1x2_> /dev/sdb1: clean, 322707/655776 files, 2455615/2622603 blocks (check after next mount)
[19:20] <_1x2_> init: ureadahead-other main process (815) terminated with status 4
[19:20] <_1x2_> help me !
[19:20] <jh955> ok, thanks.  it hasn't asked me to update to the RC yet.
[19:20] <shadeslayer> jh955: just run update-manger
[19:21] <h00k> !pastebin | _1x2_
[19:21] <shadeslayer> jh955: um actually it wont say its upgrading to RC,just that new packages are available
[19:21] <gilligan_> anyone else here using a redeon HD card with lucid ?
[19:21] <_1x2_> !pastebin
[19:21] <Vigo> Alan: Have you tried that DRIconfig ?
[19:22] <CyberKitsune> Does the NetworkManager Try icon have a new Indicator Applet yet?
[19:22] <CyberKitsune> It goes to the legacy system try
[19:22] <CyberKitsune> tray*
[19:23] <Vigo> gilligan_: That is also for you, look at the Software Center>Themes and Tweaks>3D acceleration,
[19:23] <gilligan_> Vigo, what for ?
[19:23] <Vigo> CyberKitsune: Yes it does
[19:23] <submesa> hey guys, anyone using iSCSI on root here? anyone tried upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04 with it?
[19:23] <CyberKitsune> Vigo, How do I launch that instead of the older one then?
[19:23] <CyberKitsune> I'm using RC1
[19:23] <Vigo> gilligan_: Look at themes and tweaks, there are also many drivers there
[19:24] <submesa> im having upgrade problems, as soon as it tries to update the open-iscsi package and shutdown iscsid
[19:24] <Alan> driconfig?
[19:25] <Vigo> Alan: Yes
[19:25] <JetPackTuxedo> 10.04 is beautiful
[19:25] <JetPackTuxedo> lol
[19:25] <Vigo> CyberKitsune: It is v 0,8?
[19:25] <Alan> Vigo: where do i find that?
[19:25] <CyberKitsune> Vigo, Yes
[19:25] <Alan> gilligan_: yeah, it's a bit crap :|
[19:25]  * Alan stabs ATI
[19:25] <BUGabundo> alias chromiumnew='chromiumdatadir="$(mktemp -d)";chromiumdiskcache="$(mktemp -d)";chromium-browser --user-data-dir=$chromiumdatadir --disk-cache-dir=$chromiumdiskcache'
[19:26] <Vigo> CyberKitsune: That is the one I have running now,
[19:26] <gilligan_> Alan, i think you should slap the crap design of X and not ATI
[19:26] <An_Ony_Moose> _for upgrading to the RC_, is it possible to download the packages now then do the actual upgrade later?
[19:26] <CyberKitsune> Vigo, odd, it's in systray and not a Indicator
[19:26] <gilligan_> oh *fantastic* .. now i get the dpkg-divert error between fglrx and xorg-fglrx again..  *uber-meh*
[19:27] <Vigo> CyberKitsune: It is on the Top Panel, maybe use an Add to Panel?
[19:27] <yofel> BUGabundo: whas does it put in user-data-dir?
[19:27] <yofel> *what
[19:27] <BUGabundo> yofel: new profile
[19:27] <yofel> ah
[19:27] <BUGabundo> its nice to launch new empty profiles
[19:27] <CyberKitsune> Oh it's a bug
[19:27] <CyberKitsune> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/518523
[19:28] <BUGabundo> even with chromium *already* running yofel
[19:28] <yofel> heh
[19:28] <Alan> gilligan_: either way, it's annoying as hell to have performance go DOWN between releases....
[19:28] <gilligan_> indeed
[19:29] <Alan> at the moment it's pretty useless to me for any kind of video playback....
[19:29] <gilligan_> eh.. at the moment i'm stuck at using VESA output
[19:29] <Alan> Maybe it's time to look at a different distro...
[19:29] <gilligan_> s/output/driver
[19:29] <Alan> Because this is looking to be the 2nd release in a row that is unusable on my desktop...
[19:30] <Alan> The annoying thing is, it almost seems like Ubuntu has been caring about fewer and fewer platforms
[19:30] <Alan> everything works great if you're running 1280x800 on an intel chipset
[19:30] <CyberKitsune> Also, plymouth is now running at the wrong screen res and color depth, how can I resolve this?
[19:30] <Alan> preferably with a reasonably high screen DPI
[19:30] <CyberKitsune> It was working in the past
[19:31] <Alan> But things like compiz are unbelievably crap if you're running a dual-head large-monitor setup
[19:36] <Alan> Vigo: care to elaborate/link?
[19:36] <Alan> I can't find what driconfig you're on about...
[19:36] <blacksunseven> My /etc/motd currently displays dynamic info about my hard drives but is missing a few, what script is run to output this info to /etc/motd so I can edit it?
[19:36] <gilligan_> okay..  now I really, really don't get this ..  why the hell is fglrxinfo in /usr/lib/fglrx/bin/fglrxinfo .. with no symlinks or whatever
[19:36] <gilligan_> i.e not in the PATH
[19:36] <penguin42> Alan: To be fair the Intel chipsets aren't great at the type of high end 3d needed for the high end compiz stuff - you can turn the compiz stuff off one feature at a time
[19:36] <Pici> blacksunseven: man motd.tail for the information how on the motd is generated
[19:37] <Vigo> Alan: Here:> http://dri.freedesktop.org/wiki/DriConf :> it is in Synaptic and Software Center
[19:37] <Alan> penguin42: but they're adequate for small screens
[19:38] <Alan> Vigo: i'll see what that does then, thanks
[19:38] <penguin42> Alan: Agreed, and actually they're OK for things like Google Earth as long as you don't try anything too mad
[19:39] <blacksunseven> Pici: so from the man file it looks like /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh generates the motd, but I don't have that script in that (or any) location
[19:39] <Vigo> Alan: You are welcome, I hope that helps, I am looking at the Network Applet thing now.
[19:39] <Alan> Vigo: that does nothing for fglrx though...
[19:40] <Vigo> Alan: Jockey-gtx?
[19:40] <penguin42> Alan: have you tried the ccsm ?
[19:40] <Alan> penguin42: well my laptop has X4500 in it, so it's not bad
[19:40] <Alan> penguin42: i don't even have compiz enabled at the moment
[19:40] <penguin42> Alan: Me neither
[19:41] <Alan> I know i can make compiz less crap, but the point is, i can't even get halfway-decent performance with just normal metacity
[19:41] <penguin42> Alan: I think there are some heuristics in the compiz enablement; I don't think they enable on the oldest Intel chips for example - but I don't think they take into account desktop size
[19:41] <penguin42> Alan: Oh hang on, what problems are you having with metacity - it's good here
[19:41] <penguin42> Alan: And this is Gnome?
[19:41] <Alan> penguin42: well it may not be metacity itself, but general GNOME/GTK
[19:42] <Alan> everything takes ages to redraw after damage
[19:42] <Alan> (and by ages i mean actually long enough to notice)
[19:42] <Alan> penguin42: and my video performance is near-unusable
[19:42] <penguin42> Alan: Wow - it shouldn't do that; I'm running a 945gm here and I don't have redraw time issues
[19:42] <Alan> penguin42: hd5770 with 2 x 1920x1200
[19:43] <blacksunseven> apparently landscape-sysinfo is what generates the information for the motd
[19:43] <Alan> Lets clarify: I've been talking about my desktop, running lucid, with the 5770, that's having problems
[19:43] <Alan> my laptop, running karmic, with the intel x4500, is fine
[19:43] <penguin42> Alan: Are you running frglx ?
[19:43] <Alan> I was just talking about that regarding the intel thing
[19:43] <Alan> yes i'm running fglrx
[19:44] <Alan> because the open-source driver is even worse performance, and leaves my fan maxed out
[19:44] <penguin42> hmm you must be running fglrx - I wonder why that is sucking for you; that should be fast
[19:44] <Chicano> Hi everyone
[19:44] <Alan> penguin42: it WAS fast on Jaunty
[19:44] <penguin42> Alan: Tell me more about your machine - that should fly; I've got an an hd4350 on the open source driver and it's good
[19:44] <Alan> I never used Karmic because suspend/resume was always broken on this machine
[19:45] <Chicano> does anybody else running Kubuntu Lucid see a huge memleak in the process nepomukservices?
[19:45] <penguin42> Chicano: I think I've seen a bug report about that
[19:45] <Alan> penguin42: Q6600 2.4GHz, 8GB RAM @ 800MHz, HD 5770
[19:45] <penguin42> Alan: Ok, that's no slouch of a machine
[19:45] <Alan> I've had nothing but regression after regression since Jaunty :(
[19:45] <Chicano> penguin42: I just reported it to launchpad - they invalidated it
[19:46] <Alan> And that's annoying, because i'm starting to suffer from starvation when it comes to package freshness...
[19:46] <Chicano> penguin42: so I also reported it to kde.org's bugtracker
[19:46] <Alan> i've skipped karmic altogether on my desktop because i depend on suspend/resume
[19:46] <penguin42> Alan: OK, so I'm running two machines here on Lucid (both metacity); a 1.66GHz Core2 with Intel GMA645 and a i7 960 with HD4350 - both are decent speed
[19:46] <Alan> but this... why the hell is lucid performing so badly?
[19:46] <penguin42> ahem, GMA945
[19:46] <penguin42> Alan: Something else has got to be going on for you - it's flying here
[19:47] <Chicano> penguin42: but I was wondering whether anybody else here has actually noticed it, from personal experience
[19:47] <Alan> also, should dragging a window max out a CPU core?
[19:47] <Alan> :|
[19:47] <Alan> penguin42: also, changing backgrounds, the fade-between is REALLY slow
[19:47] <Alan> Actually, you know what? I think i was getting better performance inside a virtual machine :|
[19:48] <penguin42> Alan: Did you have to add nomodeset or the like?  Can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:48] <Alan> penguin42: what do you think i could do to go towards figuring out what's happening?
[19:48] <coz_> Alan,  do you have htop installed?  if not install that and see what is eating things up
[19:49] <Alan> when dragging windows, it's all xorg
[19:50] <Alan> I wonder what driver version i'm running on jaunty
[19:50] <penguin42> Alan: OK, so pastebin the xorg.conf
[19:50] <Alan> maybe this ATI driver release sucks?
[19:50] <coz_> Alan,   ok I would guess it is the ati driver then
[19:51] <penguin42> Alan: But also with it appearently idle how about a top or a vmstat 5   just to see if anything odd is going on
[19:51] <Alan> that's what I figured...
[19:51] <Alan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/422338/
[19:51] <penguin42> and the log ?
[19:53] <Alan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/422340/
[19:55] <jumpingjack> hello, guys, i got a problem :)
[19:55] <siriusnova> uhh hi
[19:55] <penguin42> Alan: Hmm that looks perfectly sane
[19:55] <Alan> penguin42: that's what I thought
[19:55] <jumpingjack> i have 3 usb ports on my netbook and i have ubuntu 10.04. when i plug in samsung's wimax usb modem into one port and trying to plug in a usb flash drive into other port i got my flash drive doesn't working. but if i disconnect my wimax modem every flash drives works perfect. how can i fix this problem?
[19:55] <Alan> i'm going to reboot back into Jaunty and see what fglrx version i'm using....
[19:56] <coz_> Alan,  I still say the driver is the issue... and you say the open driver is worse?
[19:56] <siriusnova> Guys I have a problem with my synaptics touchpad on my new HP Probook, now that apparently xorg.conf is depreciated how the HECK do I configure my synaptics touchpad, basically I want to use THESE options:
[19:56] <penguin42> Alan: So I have to go now, but some suggestions; 1) boot with radeon.modeset=0   2) keep an eye out with top for anything odd
[19:56] <siriusnova> http://pastebin.com/a2wLJQJj
[19:56] <penguin42> siriusnova: You can create an xorg.conf and it will use it
[19:56] <Alan> coz_: I'd agree this is probably driver-related, and yes, the open driver is worse
[19:56] <siriusnova> penguin42 really?
[19:56] <penguin42> siriusnova: Yes really, that's why I said it
[19:56] <coz_> Alan,  if all else fails one person  to talk with may be soreau   although dont see him logged on right now
[19:57] <tasslehoff> I upgraded on my desktop, and got nvidia-issues. Generated a new xorg.conf and did "apt-get purge nvidia*". Now things work, but the Hardware Drivers menu is blank. There should be an nvidia-driver there. Did I purge one packet too much?
[19:57] <jumpingjack> can anyone help?
[19:57] <siriusnova> penguin4, 2, if I just put in the synaptics portion in it, will it mess up my config?
[19:57] <siriusnova> or do I have to make a whole xorg.conf
[19:57] <siriusnova> penguin32
[19:57] <siriusnova> err
[19:57] <yofel> tasslehoff: you need nvidia-common and nvidia-*-modaliases for jockey to work
[19:57] <siriusnova> penguin42, sorry :)
[19:57] <penguin42> siriusnova: If you get the whole Device section that should work
[19:58] <siriusnova> you mean from Section "InputDevice"
[19:58] <siriusnova> to EndSection
[19:58] <tasslehoff> yofel: ah, I was on the right track then. thanks :)
[19:58] <yofel> tasslehoff: these packages don't belong to the driver and are installed by default
[19:58] <penguin42> yeh
[19:58] <siriusnova> ok will try it
[19:58]  * penguin42 goes to stew in front of the TV - next week all
[19:58] <blacksunseven> I was able to solve my problem
[19:59] <blacksunseven> For anyone who's curious, the scripts in /usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/landscape define what information is passed to the motd
[19:59] <jumpingjack> hellooooo?
[19:59] <blacksunseven> editing these gives you a ton of control over advanced stats and such for your motd
[20:00] <yofel> !patience | jumpingjack
[20:01] <Alan> so, dragging windows on jaunty has nowhere near as much CPU rape...
[20:02] <Alan> and my 3d performance according to glxgears is about the same...
[20:02] <jumpingjack> i tried search, i tried asking on ubuntuforums.org (http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1439096) there's even some offtopic freak answered me. but i got no help
[20:03] <Alan> actually, it's not as good...
[20:04] <red2kic> Somebody here using ubuntu-lucid-desktop-iso, please pastebin "aptitude search notify" -- I'm trying to figure out which packages I need to make notify-osd working.
[20:06] <Alan> does radeon.modeset=0 apply to the open-source driver or fglrx?
[20:10] <jumpingjack> can anyone help with the issue? :) i have 3 usb ports on my netbook and i have ubuntu 10.04. when i plug in samsung's wimax usb modem into one port and trying to plug in a usb flash drive into other port i got my flash drive doesn't working. but if i disconnect my wimax modem every flash drives works perfect. how can i fix this problem?
[20:11] <gilligan_> hi
[20:12] <gilligan_> i am still looking for someone who can help/troubleshoot me through my ati/fglrx driver problems here . I'm pretty much at loss here . The fglrx package from the lucid repo just won't work at all
[20:13] <jumpingjack> ok, i think the only way to solve that problem is to install debian... or windows
[20:13] <gilligan_> i just did a fresh install via apt-get of the fglrx package again .. Xorg fails loading glx and fglrx .. 'failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist)'
[20:14] <yofel> gilligan_: you did reboot after installing it?
[20:14] <gilligan_> i have got an ATI Radeon HD 5400 .. jockey lists "ATI Fire GL" which also does not make sense to me
[20:14] <gilligan_> yofel, yes of course
[20:15] <yofel> gilligan_: do you have a fglrx.ko in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ ?
[20:15] <gilligan_> yes I do
[20:15] <yofel> gilligan_: and modprobe fglrx works?
[20:15] <gilligan_> yofel, and it's in fact loaded
[20:16] <gilligan_> yofel, yes
[20:16] <yofel> then the xorg log doesn't make sense...
[20:16] <gilligan_> tell me about it
[20:16] <gilligan_> (EE) Failed to load module "fglrx" (module does not exist, 0)
[20:21] <zoidfarb> Hey, I just installed the RC on my eee pc 901, and I'm having quite a bit of trouble with the wireless card (which worked fine under 9.10 and 9.04). Anyone else had similar difficulty?
[20:23] <zoidfarb> The adapter in question is an RT2860
[20:23] <gilligan_> yofel, any idea if it is intentional that fglrxinfo / aticonfig etc are not in the path ? instead they reside in /usr/lib/fglrx/bin ...
[20:23] <yofel> gilligan_: they should get linked to the path
[20:23] <yofel> gilligan_: what does 'update-alternatives --display gl_conf' tell you?
[20:24] <gilligan_> yofel, hang on let me paste somewhere ..
[20:25] <yofel> gilligan_: I don't really need the paste
[20:25] <yofel> just check if aticonfig etc. is listed there
[20:25] <gilligan_> http://pastebin.com/k5wJB0L5
[20:25] <gilligan_> it actually is
[20:26] <yofel> gilligan_: ok,  what does 'which aticonfig' tell you?
[20:26] <gilligan_> nothing :)
[20:26] <gilligan_> as I said.. not in the path
[20:27] <gilligan_> and i realize just now that this might be problematic then
[20:27] <yofel> gilligan_: can you pastebin you /var/lib/dpkg/alternatives/gl_conf ?
[20:27] <gilligan_> yofel, sure hang on
[20:28] <gilligan_> yofel, http://pastebin.com/BeqXYuvw
[20:29] <gilligan_> hah
[20:29] <gilligan_> well that looks bad
[20:29] <gilligan_> fglrxinfo is not in /usr/bin/fglrxinfo
[20:29] <yofel> gilligan_: actually the file looks fine
[20:30] <yofel> it lists the path where the files should be symlinked at...
[20:30] <gilligan_> yofel, ah d'oh .. ok
[20:30] <gilligan_> yofel, well then it's even weirded that it still does not work
[20:30] <yofel> gilligan_: does /etc/alternatives/aticonfig exist?
[20:30] <fauzy> could someone help me install from launchpad ppa? i have the the lines in my sources.list
[20:31] <gilligan_> yofel, nope
[20:31] <fauzy> and the ppa repos are being ignopred
[20:31] <ZykoticK9> fauzy, the easy way to add PPAs is to use the command add-apt-repository, it setups up the sources as well as the keys for you
[20:32] <yofel> gilligan_: then something went wrong when registering the alternatives, let's see...
[20:32] <fauzy> i did that
[20:32] <fauzy> for some reason i cant seem to pull a kernel
[20:32] <fauzy> ??
[20:32] <bp0> indicator applet vs notification area?
[20:32] <bp0> what is the difference
[20:32] <ruzu> i'm trying to play an avi video file. I have all codecs installed and tried with a few video players, but all that happens is that the video plays for a second, then just sits there as if it were paused. Can anyone help?
[20:32] <yofel> gilligan_: can you try if 'sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf does something?
[20:33] <fauzy> any ideas?
[20:33] <gilligan_> yofel,  yes .. it lets me pick between  /usr/lib/fglrx/ld.so.conf and /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf .. and it is currently set to the latter(!?)
[20:33] <yofel> ruzu: I had that once when I selected the wrong audio output, can you check if the app uses pulse and pulseaudio is properly running?
[20:33] <yofel> gilligan_: wtf?
[20:34] <gilligan_> indeed.. how the fuck did it get set to taht
[20:34] <gilligan_> that
[20:34] <yofel> gilligan_: set it to the first and run 'sudo ldconfig'
[20:34] <gilligan_> yofel, it's not like i've done any funky manual changes
[20:34] <Alan> hmmm
[20:34] <Alan> will the 10.2 ATI drivers work on recent xorg?
[20:34] <gilligan_> yofel, k
[20:35] <gilligan_> yofel, there we go.. aticonfig correctly linked in path again
[20:35] <yofel> Alan: well, they should work on X1.7 I guess, knowing ati I doubt they work on 1.8
[20:35] <ruzu> yofel, that was it. thank you :)
[20:35] <Alan> yofel: 1.8 is the one in xorg-edgers?
[20:35] <fauzy> so i ran apt-add and it didnt work. i also echoed it to the end of the file. for some reason on apt-get update its ignoring all the ppa stuff with i
[20:36] <yofel> Alan: yes
[20:36] <gilligan_> yofel, thanks for your help .. i'll see if that changed anything
[20:36] <fauzy> ??
[20:36] <yofel> fauzy: again, how did you add the ppa?
[20:37] <yofel> fauzy: more like where did you add it to?
[20:37] <Alan> yofel: fair enough... i've jsut built and installed these packages as if i'm running karmic...
[20:37] <gilligan_> yofel, also .. with fglrx installed jockey should really list 'fglrx' as available driver and not 'ati fire gl' right? because it's only been offering that when I tried
[20:37] <fauzy> first way: echo "ppa from site" >> /etc/apt/sources
[20:37] <Alan> I found out that where i was getting decent performance, i was running 10.3
[20:37] <fauzy> *sources.list
[20:37] <Alan> whereas Lucid is using 10.3
[20:37] <DanaG> "ati fire gl" IS fglrx.
[20:37] <yofel> gilligan_: no idea, I don't own an ati card
[20:37] <fauzy> double checked it with nano and the repo shows up
[20:38] <gilligan_> DanaG, ah ;=)
[20:38] <yofel> fauzy: can you pastebin the file?
[20:38] <fauzy> sure
[20:38] <DanaG> ppa: what ppa?
[20:38] <fauzy> brb
[20:38] <gilligan_> DanaG, well at some point you just get uber suspicious about everything hehe
[20:38] <DanaG> there's add-apt-repository ppa:whatever/dir
[20:38] <DanaG> like ppa:blueman/blueman-dailies
[20:38] <fauzy> i tried that danaG.
[20:38] <DanaG> first bit is the name; second bit doesn't always exist.
[20:38] <DanaG> did you update package list afterwards?
[20:39] <fauzy> yeap
[20:39] <gilligan_> yofel, thanks again ... i'll reboot and see if that did any good now
[20:39] <fauzy> and it got a hit then ignored it
[20:39] <fauzy> weird huh
[20:39] <yofel> gilligan_: good luck ;P
[20:39] <fauzy> brb gonna pastbin the source.list
[20:40] <felon> whats the difference in lucid and whatever else
[20:41] <arand> fauzy: btw don't put ppas in sources.list, but use /etc/apt/sources.list.d/repo_name.list   instead.
[20:41] <yofel> felon: if you mean lucid/karmic those are different ubuntu releases
[20:41] <felon> yes, .....I'm running 10.04 LTS Lucid Lynx.
[20:42] <fauzy> ok here ya go http://pastebin.com/KEFfq79F
[20:42] <fauzy> thats sources
[20:42] <yofel> fauzy: the kernel ppa is not a ppa that you can use with apt
[20:42] <fauzy> ohhhh
[20:42] <felon> whats apt
[20:42] <yofel> !apt
[20:42] <fauzy> so how do i pullit
[20:43] <yofel> fauzy: go to the web page with the .deb files, download them and install them with dpkg or gdebi
[20:43] <fauzy> damn. can i use git or someting to get the whole kernel and all its dirs?
[20:43] <fauzy> its a long list
[20:44] <nomentero>  my USB drives will not auto-mount on the first login after latest lucid updates any bug reported???
[20:44] <yofel> fauzy: what exactly are you actually trying to do?
[20:46] <fauzy> run a test. my alps touch pad is not scolling on a gateway. i had scrolling for a while. forums point to updated kern that is supposed to address the issue. i have tried forcing x to use my settings with a script i will post in a moment. however, nothing changes. i even tried to get left corner middle button event to work as a test. however, nothing works.
[20:46] <fauzy> make sense to ya??
[20:47] <yofel> well, the newest upstream kernel would be http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.34-rc5-lucid/
[20:47] <fauzy> ok so i would get all the packages then from that site?
[20:47]  * yofel isn't really interested in patching the way X works, got other thing to  do
[20:48] <fauzy> lol
[20:48] <Alan> hmm
[20:48] <Alan> so 10.2 won't work :(
[20:48] <yofel> fauzy: you need the headers and images for your architecture, as well as the headers all package
[20:49] <yofel> Alan: when it comes to xorg-edgers ask Sarvatt, he certainly knows much more about it than I do
[20:50] <ZykoticK9> Gwibber / Twitter question - is it possible to send "Private" messages with the client?  I have no problem receiving them to the "Private" folder, but have failed to reply/compose new private messages.  Didn't find a gwibber channel on freenode, and googlefu failed me thus far.
[20:51] <mandrew> hello fellow citizens
[20:53] <pmcclelland> has anyone else found amarok glitchy under 10.04?
[20:53] <trism> ZykoticK9: d username message
[20:53] <ZykoticK9> trism, thanks I'll research that :)
[20:53] <mandrew> Im reading about filesystems in the magazine linux user, is this anything i need to be thinking about? or is the standard ext4 the best for a normal user? im a newbie on linux so im sorry if these are stupid questions
[20:54] <dfgas> ok with the minimize and max and close on the left, how do i get on right under oem so that way any new user after that will have it on right instead of left?
[20:54] <guntbert> mandrew: for normal use just stick to the default
[20:54] <topyli> mandrew, just go with the default
[20:54] <mandrew> thanks
[20:55] <topyli> mandrew, someone has put a lot of thought into choosing defaults so we can concentrate on something else :)
[20:55] <mandrew> so the XFS is nothing to think about then?
[20:55] <Dr_Willis> what filesystem to choose would depend on your exact needs.
[20:55] <Dr_Willis>  the default ext4 works very well for most cases
[20:56] <topyli> mandrew, i guess it has its applications on specific cases
[20:56] <mandrew> its just me who is so eager in getting more knowledge :D :P
[20:56] <topyli> heh
[20:56] <topyli> mandrew, those were the days :)
[20:57] <Alan> wow
[20:57] <Alan> open-source ati driver really is fail on this card :(
[20:57] <Alan> getting rendering glitches and stuff all over the place
[20:57] <mandrew> i wish that they make ubuntu and linux more boring cuz this excitement is killing me ;)
[20:58] <Fiveways> h00k: so i should just try lucid instead of 9.10?
[20:58] <h00k> Fiveways: well, it's in RC right now, the final comes out on Thursday.
[20:59] <h00k> Fiveways: with nouveau, you'll have to enable metacity rendering to get compositing effects (if you want docky or something), but it's quick to do that.
[20:59] <Alan> what version of xorg was in karmic?
[20:59] <Alan> 1.6?
[21:01] <Alan> DAMN
[21:01] <Alan> now I can't install 10.3 using jockey any more.. it doesn't detect my card...
[21:01] <DanaG> what video card?
[21:02] <DanaG> try updating fglrx-modaliases package?
[21:02] <dfgas> anyone know?
[21:02] <Alan> oooh, maybe it will work now
[21:02] <Alan> I rebooted
[21:02] <Alan> so many reboots....
[21:03] <gilligan_> got fglrx working at last ..
[21:05] <Fiveways> apparently my cat doesnt like me using irc
[21:06] <Loki> Fiveways: lol what is he doing getting in yout lap?
[21:08] <red2kic> Letting mices roam?
[21:08] <gilligan_> now if only fglrx wasn't performing as bad as it does x_X
[21:08] <gilligan_> does anyone know if the ati catalyst driver 10.3 is supposed to be working/packaged any time soon ?
[21:10] <gilligan_> oh
[21:10] <gilligan_> seems like i'm stuck with this for a while
[21:12] <fauzy> thanks yofl
[21:13] <fauzy> !  yofel: thanks
[21:14] <yofel> np
[21:21] <funkyHat> Update manager is telling me that the package information was last updated 11 days ago
[21:21] <funkyHat> I've just run aptitude update
[21:23] <mininessie> is there anyway to take an mkv file and turn into to a blue ray video
[21:23] <mininessie> is there anyway to take an mkv file and turn into to a blue ray video
[21:24] <switchgirl> i require a commandline that will find all files on a disk with (1) or (2) (3) etc please can someone help?
[21:25] <mininessie> is there anyway to take an mkv file and turn into to a blue ray video
[21:25] <funkyHat> switchgirl: find / -regex '.*([0-9]*).*'
[21:26] <funkyHat> switchgirl: I'm guessing a little bit
[21:26] <switchgirl> i'll try that thanks funkyHat
[21:26] <mininessie> is there anyway to take an mkv file and turn into to a blue ray video
[21:26] <funkyHat> mininessie: this isn't really the right channel for that sort of question, and please don't repeat yourself
[21:26] <funkyHat> mininessie: try #ubuntu
[21:28] <a16BitSoft> Ubuntu Release Candidate will automatically upgrade to Final version on Thursday?
[21:33] <duffydack> a16BitSoft, yes
[21:33] <ZykoticK9> !final | a16BitSoft
[21:33] <a16BitSoft> thanks
[21:34] <a16BitSoft> takes all day to setup my system including an XP VM in VirtualBox - would rather not have to do it again on Thursday
[21:39] <bp0> ..you could save the xp vm
[21:39] <thisguykills> im back if anyone is still here from before
[21:40] <BluesKaj> a16BitSoft,  running lucid with VB is risky , or not ?
[21:40] <a16BitSoft> VirtualBox is solid
[21:41] <a16BitSoft> BluesKaj - sorry, misread - I run Ubuntu 10.04 on my computer then use VirtualBox to run XP in a virtual machine
[21:41] <a16BitSoft> so it is XP in VirtualBox on Ubuntu
[21:43] <ZykoticK9> a16BitSoft, you can backup Virtualbox including your VMs by backup up the folder at ~/.VirtualBox
[21:43] <thisguykills> hey guys can you help me with some wifi stuff
[21:43] <thisguykills> basically i have a netbook running on 10.4 that needs a B43 broadcom wifi update, but has no internet access
[21:43] <BluesKaj> a16BitSoft, yes, understood ,but why run a beta OS with VB if you need to run XP in it ?
[21:43] <a16BitSoft> ZykoticK9 - I just backup VM by copying the virtual HDD to somewhere
[21:44] <thisguykills> the ethernet controller is BCM5751
[21:44] <a16BitSoft> I like Linux more than Windows, but need Windows for a graphic and sound program
[21:44] <ZykoticK9> a16BitSoft, it's best to backup the entire folder subtree if you can - but technically you could just backup the HDs, but that makes reinstalling much for difficult
[21:44] <ZykoticK9> s/for/more
[21:47] <thisguykills> so does anyone know what I can do?
[21:49] <a16BitSoft> anyone here with 10.04 and a NetBook with a Qualcomm 3g modem?  Can't seem to get mine to work
[21:50] <Jordan_U> thisguykills: Like gunbert started to tell you before, you need to get the firmware from another computer and copy it over via flash drive. Though it might be easier to just connect the netbook to your router / modem directly.
[21:50] <sprung> Hi, i am trying to get a feeling for something is considered "good" in the community or not
[21:51] <sprung> is Ubuntu Tweaks liked, or is it another Automatix?
[21:51] <skyl> how's the 9.10 to 10.4 upgrade looking today? anecdotally ...
[21:51] <DanaG> a16BitSoft: what brand?  if it's HP, it's likely the modem is rfkilled.
[21:52] <almoxarife> I have found ubuntu-tweak useful
[21:52] <andiolsi> hi, in installed 10.04 64bit, all the packages are amd64 but i can only acces 3.2gb of ram (i have 4)  how come?
[21:53] <ZykoticK9> andiolsi, can you confirm it's 64bit OS using the command "uname -m"
[21:53] <almoxarife> andiolsi: same problem here, problem went away after installing the PAE kernel
[21:53] <andiolsi> x86_64
[21:53] <soreau> Hello. Can anyone felling bored test this script and say if it works on default lucid installation? http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=12012&p=75601
[21:54] <andiolsi> pae is only needed for 32bit kernels afaik (you cant even select it via menuconfig)
[21:54] <andiolsi> i really have no problem compiling my own kernel, but maybe its a general issue
[21:54] <almoxarife> andiolsi: you right, mine is 32 bit
[21:55] <andiolsi> i think i will jam another 4gig in there and see whats what
[21:55] <soreau> I want to know if this works all without errors
[21:55] <a16BitSoft> DanaG Verizon Wireless Gateway LT2016U NetBook with Qualcomm 9212 3g modem
[21:55] <andiolsi> another matter: the flashplayer in 10.04 isnt working on amd64
[21:55] <DanaG> ah.  anyway, it still could be useful to do "rfkill list"
[21:55] <void^> andiolsi: onboard graphics, maybe?
[21:56] <andiolsi> void^: radeon 5870
[21:57] <patarok> could somebody tell me how to save my nvidia-settings permanently?
[21:57] <soreau> put your hard disk in the freezer
[21:58] <thisguykills> lol
[22:01] <mandrew> bad sectors on the HDD isnt god is it?
[22:01] <mandrew> good*
[22:02] <bjsnider> mandrew, replace the drive asap
[22:02] <mandrew> ok its that bad  :(
[22:03] <DanaG> mandrew: depends how many.... I've seen some drives go for years with one or two bad sectors, but the big thing that's bad is if the number is INCREASING.
[22:03] <DanaG> Check palimpsest (gnome-disk-utility).
[22:03] <DanaG> The thing to do is to treat such a drive as unreliable... make sure that, if worst case happens and it suddenly fails, you don't lose anything you can't afford to lose.
[22:05] <mandrew> ok its on my iMac (the one im on now ) and i installed 10.04 on it so i dont F**** something up
[22:05] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, just an FYI but we're trying to get some people out Friday 8PM to the "Dirty" Oak on Bank St.  for a Lucid release party.  It would be cool if you could make it!  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseParties#Canada
[22:06] <mandrew> cuz in ubuntu i have everything synced all over the place and dont have anything of value in it
[22:08] <mandrew> i got 10 dead sectors an 1 bad
[22:09] <mandrew> and 7 good sectors
[22:10] <pepee> mpontillo, are you there?
[22:12] <Fiveways> if i have 9.10 installed and i insert a lucid disc, can i just update from the disc?
[22:13] <dupondje> LVM, RAID, or encrypted block devices are incorrectly limited to 2TiB. This issue will be resolved for the 10.04 LTS release. (543838)  => In the release note, its just a bug in parted ? So when you don't need to reinstall, its not really an issue ...
[22:13] <andiolsi> ok, i put 8gig of ram in there now and it shows 7.1gig available
[22:13] <crdlb> Fiveways: only with the alternate installer disc
[22:13] <Jordan_U> Fiveways: Only if it's the alternate or DVD installer.
[22:13] <crdlb> the live cd cannot
[22:13] <andiolsi> could be normal behavior
[22:14] <bp0> andiolsi, what do you mean, showing available
[22:15] <dupondje> Is there a way to make Windows be a nfs server?
[22:15] <andiolsi> bp0: top, /proc/meminfo
[22:15] <thunter> i just upgraded to lucid. can someone tell me how to fix this error? http://pastebin.com/Dg60Pnkw
[22:15] <mandrew> Fireways did you put the home folder on a separate partition?
[22:15] <Tweeda> anyone using vmbuilder to build UEC images?  It's not accepting the '--firstboot' option and if I leave that off blows off with a python traceback involving AtributeError for CLI.optparser
[22:16] <andiolsi> but on my work box : MemTotal:        4063288 kB
[22:16] <dupondje> thunter: you did aptitude update ?
[22:16] <andiolsi> so ... might be kernel stuff, but for some reason my bios says 74xx meg installed right now, no clue why.
[22:16] <thunter> dupondje, yes.
[22:17] <ZykoticK9> Salo, How did you install in the first place without a CDROM?  If you have a bootable Ubuntu USB you should be able to try chrooting from that as well, then try finishing the updates.  But chrooting is my best Guess for ya.  Good luck.
[22:18] <dupondje> thunter: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/562370
[22:18] <Salo> i installed through a ext-cd drive (not mine and not available right now)
[22:18] <pepee> andersk, do you have an integrated graphics card?
[22:18] <Salo> what is chrooting?
[22:18] <Jordan_U> Salo: What exactly happens when you try to boot?
[22:18] <red2kic> Salo: Do you at least have USB stick? :3
[22:18] <ZykoticK9> Salo, could you possibly borrow it again?  Or go about creating a USB key if you can't
[22:19] <thunter> dupondje, ok. i saw that bug earlier, but was hoping that there would be a way I could get apache2 installed so I could use the workaround. guess I'll just have to wait.
[22:19] <Salo> i can, but i was hoping for a solution more immediate
[22:19] <bp0> andiolsi, i've only got 2GB, but it shows as 2000MB for me
[22:19] <bp0> so there is 48MB missing
[22:19] <Karmic-J> hi there, how can i add mp3 playback to amarok?
[22:20] <Salo> thing is, someone closed the notebook and interrupted system updates
[22:20] <ZykoticK9> Salo, have you tried booting to the recover mode?  hold shift to get GRUB menu if you don't see it.
[22:20] <Salo> let me try that
[22:20] <andiolsi> bp0: i think its some bios setting, should be fixable.
[22:21] <BUGabundo> booooo
[22:21] <BUGabundo> printing a website to svg, makes it multipage :(
[22:21] <nomentero> usb automount not work after latest lucid updates on my  side ....any bug reported???
[22:21] <dupondje> gotto love samba :(
[22:21] <demifuror> guy how do i install java-gnome in lucid?
[22:21] <Jordan_U> Salo: What exactly happens when you try to boot? (we can't help you much without an answer to this question)
[22:21] <Salo> ok
[22:22] <Salo> "ubuntu 10.04"
[22:22] <Salo> ". . . ."
[22:22] <Salo> "errors were found while checking .... something"
[22:22] <Salo> can't read cause it flips between 2 msgs so fast it's unreadable
[22:23] <Jordan_U> Salo: Ok, just boot and *wait*, it sounds like it's doing a file system repair.
[22:23] <pepee> andiolsi, do you have an integrated graphics card?
[22:24] <andersk> pepee: Did you mean to ask me?  In any case, no, I have a discrete nvidia card.
[22:24] <Salo> then : "press F to attempt to fix, I to ignrore, s to skip mounting or M for manual recovery"
[22:24] <andiolsi> pepee: no, i allready found some article talink about memory remapping, i just want to get flashplayer working real quick then ill look at the bios settings
[22:24] <pepee> andersk, no, sorry, it was a mistake
[22:24] <andersk> No problem.
[22:24] <demifuror> when i try suo apt-get install java-gnome, i get packgae not found
[22:24] <Salo> also : "press C to cancel all checks currently in progress"
[22:24] <pepee> tab...
[22:25] <Jordan_U> Salo: Press F, and do *not* shut down untill it is finished.
[22:25] <Salo> ok!
[22:25] <Jordan_U> Salo: Plug it in to be sure it can't run out of battery.
[22:25] <Salo> alright
[22:25] <Salo> stopped flipping the msgs
[22:26] <Salo> restarted by itself..
[22:26] <Jordan_U> Salo: That's normal, hopefully it will boot normally now.
[22:26] <Salo> alright nothing showed up
[22:27] <Salo> now i got black bottom with window saying
[22:27] <Salo> :
[22:27] <thisguykills> can anyone help me? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9173694#post9173694
[22:27] <Salo> ubuntu is running on low res, u might need to update ur config to solve it (sorry the bad translation)
[22:28] <nomentero> demifuror,  libjava-gnome-java
[22:28] <Salo> (EE) open/dev/fb0: no such file or dir
[22:28] <Jordan_U> Salo: What graphics card do you have?
[22:28] <Salo> (ee) intel(0): (drm) failed to open drm device for pci0000:00:02.0 no such file or...
[22:29] <Salo> got an integrated intel
[22:29] <Salo> eeepc
[22:29] <Salo> and some more similar errors on: DRM master; agpgart; kernel memory; video memory
[22:29] <aj-> hello. my mbr got screwed up in the upgrade from karmic. is there any way I can install grub2 into it from a live-cd (some old knoppix-cd in this case)
[22:30] <red2kic> Salo: Is your Mac decent? If so, start backing everything (/home/$USER and /etc) to the Mac. Do a clean USB lucid installation. Keep it updated and by next week, you're running an offical lucid distro.
[22:31] <Jordan_U> Salo: Ok, since you interrupted an upgrade hopefully letting the upgrade continue will fix things. You can do this by opening a terminal and running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get -f install" just to be sure everything is sane .
[22:32] <Salo> ok how do i get to the terminal from here, mouse is kaputt and i can't "ok" the error window
[22:32] <red2kic> Salo: Use tab.
[22:32] <red2kic> Salo: If you're in X, use ALT+TAB to switch windows.
[22:33] <Salo> keyboard kaputt
[22:33] <Salo> this is a sole window in black screen
[22:33] <nomentero> demifuror,  libjava-gnome-java
[22:33] <Salo> OS didn't run
[22:33] <andiolsi> ok, to utilize full memory on asus p5q boards one has to "Enable" the "Memory Remapping" in the "Northbridge Configuration"
[22:33] <dupondje> Is it somewhat possible to install an older kernel version? I suspect some regression :)
[22:34] <Salo> can't do anything from here
[22:34] <Salo> anyone?
[22:34] <Jordan_U> Salo: ctrl+alt+F1 should get you to a text login screen.
[22:34] <red2kic> Salo: Wait..
[22:34] <red2kic> Learn how to go back to Ctrl + ALT + F7 (first)?
[22:35] <red2kic> (I think Salo is on different machine though.) :)
[22:35] <Salo> keyboard not functioning
[22:35] <Salo> onlything that works aparently is the on off button
[22:35] <Jordan_U> red2kic: In this case it doesn't matter as much since X is mostly useless for him now, but yes that's good practice in general when telling someone to ctrl+alt+F1
[22:36] <soreau> Can anyone feeling bored test this script and tell me if it works on default lucid installation without any errors? http://forum.compiz.org/viewtopic.php?f=114&t=12012&p=75601
[22:36] <Jordan_U> Salo: Does *pressing* (not holding) the power button shut down the machine?
[22:36] <Salo> (btw sorry for my ignorance - i'm a "light" mac user with 1 week of linux experience)
[22:36] <red2kic> Jordan_U: I have seen people freaking out on !tty (because they don't really read everything and would try the first command that came along).
[22:36] <Salo> yes it did
[22:37] <Salo> i mean, it shutted down
[22:37] <red2kic> Salo: Is your Mac decent? If so, try to get yourself into a console screen and start backing everything (/home/$USER and /etc) to the Mac. Do a clean USB lucid installation. Keep it updated and by next week, you're running an offical lucid distro.
[22:37] <Jordan_U> Salo: Ok, try holding shift during boot and it should bring up a menu with a "recovery mode" option, choose the top most recovery mode option in the list.
[22:38] <c0vert> !bug 507881
[22:38] <Salo> ok how do access stuff from the mac?
[22:38] <c0vert> anyone else having problems in getting virtualbox non free host usb to work?
[22:38] <Salo> ok recovery mode selected
[22:39] <Salo> recovery menu
[22:39] <Salo> "resume/clean/dpkg/grub/netroot/root
[22:40] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, i don't use PUEL version anymore, but on Lucid I had to jump through some hoops with hald to get USB working -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox
[22:40] <hellyeah_> hey
[22:40] <c0vert> ZykoticK9, OSE doesn't support usb though right?
[22:40] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, that's correct
[22:41] <hellyeah_> what is the dns for youtube that we write on the firefox for proxy
[22:41] <hellyeah_> it begins with 222
[22:41] <Salo> what do i pick?
[22:41] <c0vert> ZykoticK9, thanks i'll try those steps
[22:43] <thisguykills> can anyone help me with a wireless problem
[22:43] <red2kic> Salo: Try to get yourself into a console.
[22:44] <Salo> "drop to root shell prompt" ?
[22:44] <red2kic> Salo: That ought to do it.
[22:44] <Salo> got it
[22:44] <Salo> now what?
[22:45] <andiolsi> hmm why doesnt "Alt + Tab" switch my windows around? i think it was doing it before i enabled the fglrx driver
[22:45] <red2kic> Salo: Cable plugged in? "ifconfig eth0" to obtain the local IP of your netbook
[22:45] <Salo> nop, my internet is usb 3gmodem
[22:46] <Salo> havn't got a cable
[22:46] <red2kic> Salo: What about the mac? Surely the netbook have cable slot you can plug in (to the router)?
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> andiolsi, System / Preferences / Keyboard Shortcuts -- Window Management / "Move between windows, using a popup window" should be Alt+Tab
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> andiolsi, possible prior to fglrx you had compiz running? that has an alt+tab switcher by default?
[22:48] <andiolsi> its definitly compiz that was unable to run prior to me installing the drivers since there would have been no 3d support
[22:48] <andiolsi> its defined as "Alt+Tab" btw
[22:49] <andiolsi> compiz had a setup utility once, but i can remember
[22:49] <andiolsi> cant
[22:49] <Salo> red2kic, it does, but the thing is i haven't got a cable here, and what i wanted was to "fix" it rather than reinstall it, at least for today, until i can get an external cd drive
[22:49] <red2kic> Salo: "du -sh /home/" -- What does it say?
[22:49] <topyli> andiolsi, compizconfig-settings-manager, brand of the year!
[22:50] <Salo> "2.9G   /home/"
[22:50] <andiolsi> topyli: its not in my PATH.  and not in locatedb either
[22:50] <Salo> is it good or bad? =D
[22:50] <red2kic> Salo: You do understand "someone" interrupted major system upgrade. It's not just a single package.
[22:51] <topyli> andiolsi, it's not installed by default. the command is ccsm anyway
[22:52] <Salo> i do... anyway... do you see any way out?
[22:52] <andiolsi> topyli: got it thx
[22:52] <topyli> andiolsi, cheers
[22:53] <red2kic> Salo: You want to recover something?
[22:53] <red2kic> Salo: You could set up a server (and have your Mac download). I'm not sure if that works the same, but worth a try.
[22:54] <red2kic> Salo: 3GB worth... residing in in your home.
[22:54] <red2kic> 10MB at most in /etc
[22:54] <Salo> that i do, but if, when reinstalling os i can maintain docs and stuff, then there's no prob. What i would want is to make it start even if with some limitations
[22:55] <andiolsi> hmm   when i set it to control tab it works, when i set it to alt tab it doesnt
[22:56] <red2kic> Salo: We don't really know what is broken. Could be just about everything during the transition.
[22:56] <red2kic> Salo: I remember ZykoticK9 gave you some advice. It didn't work then?
[22:57] <red2kic> Salo: Best to backup and do clean installation.
[22:57] <Salo> wait, let me check what was that
[22:59] <Salo> chrooting?
[22:59] <bp0> panels are hosed in 10.04
[23:00] <bp0> if you move the bottom panel to the right it still shades like it is on the bottom
[23:00] <bp0> and new panel fails completely
[23:01] <switchgirl> hi i have an image that i'm doing red eye removal on, it's picking up the lips and thinks they are red eye what can i do? i'm using gimp
[23:02] <bp0> join #gimp on irc.gnome.org
[23:02] <red2kic> Salo: Something like that. Also, the dpkg command.
[23:02] <bp0> irc://irc.gnome.org/gimp
[23:02] <red2kic> Salo: The one from Jordan_U
[23:02] <Salo> which?
[23:03] <Salo> let me try the dpkg
 Salo: Ok, since you interrupted an upgrade hopefully letting the upgrade continue will fix things. You can do this by opening a terminal and running "sudo dpkg --configure -a" then "sudo apt-get -f install" just to be sure everything is sane .
[23:04] <Salo> i'm trying the dpkg from the recovery menu, lets see how it goes
[23:08] <andiolsi> hmmm how do i get the window controls to the right hand side instead of the left, ive been loking around but there are too many options ... :p
[23:09] <hellyeah_> anathema empty
[23:10] <bp0> andiolsi, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do
[23:10] <andiolsi> bp0: got it
[23:11] <andiolsi> wasnt where i was looking, thats all
[23:12] <Fiveways> he randomly closed the window
[23:12] <Fiveways> lol
[23:16] <thisguykills> how would I get a wired connection working on my netbook?
[23:16] <Salo> (still unpacking stuff)
[23:17] <thisguykills> would I take the cat-5 cable out of the router, modem, or the desktop computer its self?
[23:18] <thisguykills> anybody?
[23:20] <red2kic> thisguykills: Just get a cable. netbook ---> router
[23:20] <red2kic> Leave the modem + router alone.
[23:21] <thisguykills> oooohh
[23:21] <thisguykills> ok so I just take a cat5 from the router to the netbook
[23:21] <thisguykills> sdfdas ok thanks
[23:29] <bp0> what package to report bug for the default theme?
[23:30] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> hy guys, just reading the UNR and it says "Rapid route to market - UI configured to work with Intel Atom processor-based netbooks so you are ready to go"
[23:31] <ActionParsnip> does the UNR have some extra stuff which makes it run nic er on Atom?
[23:33] <Cornwall> So how's everyone's Plymouth? I've been hearing horror stories about it, but it's been fine for me on two machines, one an Nvidia and the other an ATI. Both don't get the splash, though >.>
[23:33] <bp0> Cornwall, its shit
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> !language | bp0
[23:34] <Cornwall> bp0: Sad to hear that :(
[23:34] <bp0> sorry, crap?
[23:34] <ActionParsnip> Cornwall: i remove it, its worthless
[23:34] <Cornwall> ActionParsnip: I would too. This reminds me of Pulseaudio on hardy....
[23:34] <Cornwall> ActionParsnip: except pulseaudio was much easier to remove!
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> Cornwall: no, pulse is actually something useful, plymouth is a pretty thing with no actual value
[23:35] <bp0> pulse is a promising thing that doesnt live up
[23:35] <bp0> plymouth is no promise
[23:35] <Cornwall> Pulse is great to me
[23:35] <ActionParsnip> pulse is perfect here
[23:36] <Cornwall> I think plymouth (STABLE) has uses - quicker tty switching, faster resume...
[23:36] <bp0> wait, is that plymouth tho?
[23:36] <bp0> plymouth is just the graphics splash that happens while that stuff is going on
[23:37] <bp0> supposed to happen, doesnt for me
[23:37] <bp0> just blinky cursor during that time
[23:38] <Cornwall> bp0: I managed to get a great splash for a while with my proprietary nvidia blob (!), but recent updates put me back to text :)
[23:38] <bp0> im also using the nvidia driver
[23:38] <bp0> and get nothing
[23:38] <bp0> i never got anything
[23:38] <bp0> started at alpha 2
[23:38] <bp0> was it working before that?
[23:39] <Cornwall> bp0: There's a guide that used to make it work just fine:
[23:39] <Cornwall> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html
[23:40] <bp0> but not now?
[23:40] <Cornwall> bp0: It does work, but I get it for a grand total of... 1-2 seconds
[23:41] <Cornwall> bp0: I don't think plymouth starts early enough. There's a hack for that, too, but I hear that it slows boot time a bit
[23:41] <bp0> uhg
[23:41] <bp0> anyone know the name of the package for ubuntu default them?
[23:41] <Cornwall> bp0: Yep, I wish they'd stick with xsplash, too
[23:41] <bp0> so i can post a bug against it
[23:42] <Cornwall> bp0: light-theme
[23:42] <Cornwall> ...or themes, one of the two
[23:42] <bp0> thanks
[23:42] <ActionParsnip> so does anyone know about the UNR / Atom malarky?
[23:43] <red2kic> Salo: Sup?
[23:43] <bp0> exists: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-panel/+bug/534582
[23:43] <bp0> eh
[23:43] <bp0> "low"
[23:44] <Cornwall> bp0: I remember that one. marked as affected
[23:44] <Cornwall> bp0: Ya gotta be positive. I think this is going to be the best release ever for me :)
[23:44] <Salo> just finished
[23:44] <bp0> this one is worse: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-panel/+bug/546759
[23:44] <Cornwall> bp0: even if plymouth is a stinking pile of crap
[23:45] <bp0> yeah, this is looking pretty good
[23:45] <Salo> asked me for a login (in command line) then told me to reboot
[23:45] <Salo> which i'm about to do now
[23:46] <Salo> had long long text running during all the process
[23:46] <Ken8521> bp0, that new panel bug is a bit annoying... but what I found...is drag your existing panel, to the top/bottom, and the "New" panel will mysteriously appear on top of it
[23:46] <Salo> some errors in the way
[23:46] <Salo> rebooting now
[23:46] <Cornwall> bp0: the gnome bug tracker only has two comments, and the latest one says it doesn't affect him anymore. I'd let them know it's still hurting you
[23:46] <Salo> apparently normal
[23:46] <Ken8521> Cornwall, its definitely still present
[23:47] <Cornwall> Ken8521: Then let them know. GNOME devs don't like browsing arbitrary other bug reports that aren't their own :)
[23:47] <Cornwall> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613994
[23:47] <Ken8521> Cornwall, it doesn't bother me.
[23:47] <Salo> it restarted
[23:47] <Salo> normally
[23:47] <Salo> "hurray"
[23:47] <Cornwall> Ken8521: but it will certainly bother someone else. Two people claiming it's broken is better than one :)
[23:48] <Salo> ok, battery is not charging
[23:49] <bp0> i bet it has something to do with the theme bug...
[23:49] <Ken8521> bp0, i was thinking that as well
[23:49] <Cornwall> Does it work with "New Wave", then?
[23:50] <bp0> broken in clear looks
[23:50] <bp0> so maybe not
[23:52] <bp0> yeah, both problem exist in new wave as well
[23:53] <bp0> hmm i kindof like this new wave
[23:53] <Cornwall> yeah, I think it's a neat one :)
[23:53] <Cornwall> I really do love the new light-themes, though
[23:54] <bp0> yeah its alright, ugly in firefox address bar drop down thing
[23:54] <bp0> strange red text
[23:56] <Salo> aparently everything's ok
[23:56] <Salo> backing up everything up now, just in case
[23:57] <Salo> THX a lot everybody
[23:57] <Salo> u saved my day