[00:28] <saint_> Raidsong, ping
[00:29] <Raidsong> hi saint_
[00:29] <saint_> hey isnt whube channel #whube?
[00:32] <guest_saint> Raidsong, ping
[00:32] <Raidsong> hello guest_saint
[00:32] <guest_saint> Raidsong, wats whube channel name?
[00:33] <Raidsong> guest_saint, #whube
[00:35] <Bodsda> Raidsong: know much about links?
[00:35] <Raidsong> Bodsda, a bit
[00:36] <Bodsda> Raidsong: I'm confused about hard vs soft links - which one do I need if I want to make a chnage to the link to actually happen to the destination file?
[00:37] <Raidsong> Bodsda, i think you need a hard link
[00:38] <Bodsda> Raidsong: sweet cheers - just found a good explanation on linux forums as well :)
[05:18] <electrickery> I am new to IRC, so don't if this will work.. I am using Jaunty, and Firefox.  I have tried to install Flash.  It appears in the AddOn list ok.  But Australian ABC iView doesn't play.  Does anyone know about this?
[05:22] <ddecator> electrickery: 32-bit or 64-bit ubuntu?
[05:30] <Ukebuntu> greets, gurus!
[05:31] <ddecator> hey Ukebuntu
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> I'm an IT guy pretty fluent in Mac and PC, and I'm on my first taste of Linux
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> I have a bunch of quick questions
[05:31] <ddecator> welcome =)
[05:31] <ddecator> what are they?
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> thanks
[05:31] <Ukebuntu> most of them are, "well....what do you guys call it?"
[05:32] <Ukebuntu> I'm on Jaunty Jackelope (because the Koala ISO is larger than a CD....*grumble, grumble*)
[05:33] <ddecator> karmic is? it shouldn't be
[05:33] <Ukebuntu> it's 705
[05:33] <Ukebuntu> either way....
[05:34] <Ukebuntu> I've gotten my wireless to work (although I'm not too pleased by the process because I stumbled my way through by restarting a bunch of times)j
[05:34] <Ukebuntu> what is 'device manager'?
[05:35] <Ukebuntu> I had to 'activate' my wireless card, how can I check if there are other pieces of hardware that need this done?
[05:36] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: the .iso is 690MB for me. the "activation" was most likely the proprietary driver. you can find other drivers by going to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers
[05:36] <Ukebuntu> Is there an idiot proof overall 'update', that I can get Koala through, now that I have Jaunty installed
[05:37] <ddecator> yes, the Update Manager should tell you that Karmic is available and allow you to update
[05:37] <Ukebuntu> where can I find Update Manager?
[05:38] <ddecator> it runs routinely on its own, but you can start it by going to System > Administration > Update Manager
[05:38] <Ukebuntu> Hardware Drivers only has my broadcom wireless listed
[05:38] <Ukebuntu> is there a way to see everything?
[05:38] <ddecator> then you should be all set with drivers =)
[05:39] <ddecator> see everything as in...?
[05:40] <Ukebuntu> all my installed hardware
[05:41] <ddecator> if you open a terminal and run 'lspci' it will list your hardware
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> haha
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> beat me to it
[05:41] <pedro3005> maybe sudo lshw
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> I know how to get around a bit in unix
[05:41] <Ukebuntu> I imagined that linux would have a fat icon on the desktop for term
[05:42] <ddecator> afaik, there isn't a graphical way to list all of your hardware in one place, but some of it is listed in various places
[05:42] <pedro3005> probably is, just not by default
[05:43] <ddecator> true
[05:44] <Ukebuntu> ok.....I've got plenty to look around in now that I have a terminal, mind if we go to "peeves"?
[05:45] <Ukebuntu> why aren't the apple keys working, even though I picked "apple laptop"?
[05:45] <Ukebuntu> vol works
[05:45] <Ukebuntu> numlock works
[05:45] <ddecator> you mean the super key?
[05:46] <Ukebuntu> how about brightness and eject?
[05:46] <Ukebuntu> Function keys
[05:46] <Ukebuntu> aha, question answered....F12 is 'right click'
[05:47] <Ukebuntu> not terribly convenient, but I'll go with it for now...
[05:48] <Ukebuntu> how about my other F keys?
[05:48] <Ukebuntu> and eject for that matter
[05:49] <ddecator> hm, my function keys have worked for me, but i'm not on a mac. not sure about eject
[05:50] <Ukebuntu> unfortunately, a bunch of my questions are PB G4 specific
[05:50] <Ukebuntu> I can eject it by opening the whatever music player...
[05:51] <ddecator> rhythmbox?
[05:51] <Ukebuntu> well, whatever
[05:51] <Ukebuntu> I can eject it through progs
[05:52] <Ukebuntu> is there a way to do it through the 'eject key' that apples have?
[05:52] <Ukebuntu> or even the 'drag to trash' option?
[05:54] <Ukebuntu> this wouldn't be a big deal if I had a physical button...
[05:57] <electrickery> ddecator: Don't reckon.. Acer Aspire 3000 AMD Sempron 2800  I'll try to find out.
[05:58] <Ukebuntu> I'm running the update manager now, but, ddecator, I am much obliged, friend
[05:58] <Ukebuntu> thank you for your help and patience
[05:58] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: no problem =)
[05:58] <Ukebuntu> I'm assuming that these updates will have me restart again....
[05:58] <ddecator> sorry i'm not more familiar with mac-specific functionality
[05:59] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: i would imagine
[05:59] <ddecator> there should be a new kernel with the update
[05:59] <Ukebuntu> well, to be honest, after a while, I will make this powerbook a Mac again
[06:00] <Ukebuntu> it just so happens to be a 'free laptop' at the moment, so I figured I'd mess with linux
[06:00] <ddecator> since you're a mac user, you may find ubuntu lucid to be more familiar
[06:01] <Ukebuntu> that's the next one coming out?
[06:01] <ddecator> it's due to be released on the 29th
[06:01] <Ukebuntu> whoa
[06:01] <Ukebuntu> just noticed....
[06:02] <Ukebuntu> these powerbooks run very hot when running OSX
[06:02] <Ukebuntu> it is VERY hot now
[06:02] <Ukebuntu> got a temp mon prog?
[06:03] <znxtch> I find my macbook runs cooler when I use Ubuntu.
[06:03] <znxtch> OS X its on FIRE!
[06:03] <ddecator> install 'lm-sensors' and you can read the temperature various ways. conky is a popular tool for getting a lot of info about the system, including temp
[06:04] <ddecator> conky isn't installed by default
[06:04] <Ukebuntu> so....
[06:04] <Ukebuntu> what's my next step, deca?
[06:04] <znxtch> stick a thermometer into your usb drive
[06:05] <znxtch> thats how I do it
[06:05] <znxtch> oldschool
[06:05] <ddecator> since you don't have the software center, you can run 'sudo apt-get install lm-sensors conky'
[06:05] <Ukebuntu> I already ate all of the mercury from my thermometers
[06:05] <Ukebuntu> X)
[06:05] <electrickery> ddecator: The Users Guide doesn't mention 64bit.  Can Jaunty tell me? System Monitor doesn't, as far as I can see.
[06:07] <Ukebuntu> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[06:07] <Ukebuntu> I suppose the update manager won't let me run that command, deca
[06:07] <ddecator> Ukebuntu: oh, right, that needs to finish first
[06:08] <ddecator> electrickery: one sec, i'm trying to think of the best way to figure out which you are using..
[06:09] <Ukebuntu> I'm eventually going to have to restart anyway, deca, so I'm going to go out to catch a smoke
[06:09] <geirha> electrickery: in a terminal:  file /bin/bash
[06:10] <Ukebuntu> I really appreciate the help,
[06:10] <Ukebuntu> I hope to see you when I eventually get back!
[06:10] <Ukebuntu> X)
[06:11] <ddecator> electrickery: or type 'uname -m' in a terminal and tell us the output
[06:11] <electrickery> /bin/bash: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[06:12] <geirha> electrickery: You have 32-bit ubuntu installed
[06:12] <ddecator> alright, 32-bit it is =)
[06:12] <ddecator> electrickery: what was the issue you were having again?
[06:13] <electrickery> I have tried to install Flash for Firefox  It seems to install, Firefos has it in its Add On list, but this site won't work http://www.abc.net.au/iview/ and it is a favourite.
[06:16] <ddecator> heh, i can't view it because it's australia only...can you get to the page where the program should play?
[06:17] <shahan> hi everyone
[06:17] <shahan> need help to install a game
[06:17] <shahan> Sauerbraten
[06:18] <electrickery> Hmmm, I didn't realise it was restricted.  That site opens a flash (I suppose) menu that offers ABC tv programs to view.
[06:18] <ddecator> electrickery: how did you install flash?
[06:18] <electrickery> I get to it by clicking on iView at this link http://www.abc.net.au/
[06:18] <ddecator> shahan: what kind of game is that?
[06:18] <shahan> any one here who can help me to install the game
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: hmm
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: sauerbraten_2009_05_04_trooper_edition_linux.tar_2.bz2
[06:19] <electrickery> I installed flash through Synaptic Package Manager.
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: I have kept the game on my desktop now
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: its ubuntu 9.10
[06:19] <shahan> ddecator: desktop edition 32 bit
[06:19] <ddecator> electrickery: does the site load for you alright after you click iView?
[06:20] <ddecator> shahan: looks like it's in the repos
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: I dont know
[06:20] <ddecator> shahan: shows up for me =)
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: I have downloaded the game from the site
[06:20] <shahan> ddecator: its 344 MB
[06:21] <shahan> ddecator: ok
[06:21] <electrickery> No.. that is what I think the problem is.  The link needs Flash to run, and although it seems to be installed, the flash menu doesn't work.
[06:21] <ddecator> electrickery: hm, it's loading for me...are you using firefox?
[06:22] <ddecator> shahan: if you don't mind downloading it again, you can install it from the repos, which will be easiest. otherwise you can extract the tar.bz2 source and look for a shell script in there that runs it
[06:22] <ddecator> electrickery: ha, just noticed you already said that. what version of firefox are you using?
[06:22] <shahan> ddecator: :( again download is imposible.. my speed is too poor
[06:22] <shahan> ddecator: I have to install it now using this downloaded file
[06:23] <ddecator> shahan: ok, well right click and select 'Extract here'
[06:23] <electrickery> Yes, v 3.0.19.  I know most web pages use flash, but is there a specific test I can do?
[06:23] <ddecator> electrickery: if you go to youtube, do videos play fine?
[06:23] <shahan> ddecator:  I want a solution to install it ...
[06:24] <shahan> dd ddecator :(
[06:24] <ddecator> shahan: well there are various ways of working that out. there may be a .deb in there. if not, there may be a shell script that we can create a launcher for
[06:25] <shahan> ddecator: I have extracted the folder
[06:25] <ddecator> shahan: is there a .deb by chance?
[06:26] <shahan> ddeddno
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: no
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: folder list is
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: bin_unix
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: data
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: docs
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: packages
[06:26] <shahan> ddecator: src
[06:26] <ddecator> shahan: pastein please =)
[06:27] <ddecator> pastebin*
[06:29] <shahan> ddecator: ok
[06:33] <znxtch> whoa 10.04 takes 2 hrs just to install the updates
[06:33] <znxtch> i was like "allright the download is finished"
[06:34] <znxtch> begin install
[06:34] <znxtch> "time remaing two hours!"
[06:34] <znxtch> awww!
[06:34] <ddecator> to upgrade from karmic, or just to install some updates?
[06:34] <znxtch> upgrade from karmic
[06:34] <ddecator> heh, yah, a LOT needs to be upgraded
[06:34] <electrickery> ddecator: Well YouTube is sort of working.  I'll have to look into it.  I might have to leave this chat and return later.
[06:34] <znxtch> I was going to tinker with it before going to work.  Looks like I'll have to wait.
[06:35] <ddecator> electrickery: that's fine. if you get a chance, can you let me know what you mean by "soft of working"?
[06:35] <ddecator> znxtch: probably good. if it finished in time, you'd call sick into work ;)
[06:36] <ddecator> s/soft/sort
[06:38] <znxtch> there is no sick where i work.
[06:38] <znxtch> lol
[06:38] <znxtch> is anyone in here a fan of mike patton by chance?
[06:38] <ddecator> ...maybe if i knew who he is
[06:38] <znxtch> disregard then
[06:39] <ddecator> heh, alright
[06:39] <electrickery> ddecator: I went to YouTube, clicked on Miley Cyrus "Pole Dancing".  Firefox said it needed a plugin.  It installed something like gstreamer-bad.  Then the video played, with sound.  But when I tried another video, it was not loading.. bit of sound with a static picture.  Another video had a black screen.  So strange.  I have a good broadband connection usually, so that's all I can say just now, I think.
[06:40] <znxtch> miley cyrus "pole dancing"
[06:40] <znxtch> haha
[06:40] <znxtch> nice
[06:41] <ddecator> electrickery: hm, i guess it still needed gstreamer for the audio. what brand of graphics card do you have?
[06:41] <electrickery> It was worth a try.
[06:43] <electrickery> Err, whatever came with the Acer aspire.. "SiS M760GX"??
[06:45] <ddecator> electrickery: if you run 'lspci' in a terminal, what shows up next to "VGA compatible controller"? (just the brand...nvidia, intel, etc.)
[06:45] <electrickery> The Eclipse trailer seems to be working.
[06:46] <electrickery> Silicon Integrated Systems
[06:47] <ddecator> o.o
[06:48] <ddecator> idk if that uses a proprietary driver or not...
[06:48] <ddecator> electrickery: if you go to System > Administration > Hardware Drivers, does anything show up that you need to activate for your graphics?
[06:50] <electrickery> Only one entry there, the broadcom wireless, which is activated and working.  YouTube is playing movie trailers ok now.
[06:51] <ddecator> hm, ok, so you should have the driver you need
[06:51] <ddecator> i wonder if it's due to the versions of firefox and flash you have..
[06:53] <electrickery> Maybe if I uninstall Flash then see if FFox finds the right version when I visit YouTube?
[06:55] <ddecator> i think the adobe site has a deb of the latest stable build, you can try that if you want. not sure if it will work or not
[06:56] <electrickery> OK, I'll see.  Looks like I have a bit more work to do.  I'll be back later.
[06:56] <ddecator> electrickery: sure thing
[06:57] <geirha> html5 can't come too soon
[06:58] <ddecator> i don't mind flash if adobe can get it working properly on linux
[06:59] <geirha> They've been failing quite a few years now
[09:05] <mitul> Hello.I need some help
[09:05] <mitul> anybody there?
[09:05] <ddecator> whatcha need?
[09:05] <mitul> I got ubuntu 9.10 installed as well as windows
[09:05] <mitul> I want to access ubuntu ext4 partitions from windows..
[09:05] <mitul> I cannot read from explore2fs
[09:06] <ddecator> hm, i'm not sure off-hand what needs to be done for windows to recognize and play nice with ext4..
[09:06] <ddecator> one sec
[09:11] <ddecator> mitul: unfortunately, i'm not finding any tools capable of allowing windows to read ext4 partitions. there seem to be a few that cover the basics of ext3, but the last one with decent compatibility was ext2 =\
[09:14] <mitul> I got one..
[09:14] <mitul> http://www.diskinternals.com/download/Linux_Recovery.exe
[09:14] <mitul> Thanks for the help..
[09:14] <ddecator> mitul: no problem, good luck =)
[09:44] <ibuclaw> oldpeculiar, O|:
[09:44] <ibuclaw> btw, if anyone here uses the xorg-edgers repo, do NOT upgrade your system to the new git packages that have just entered it.
[09:47] <hobgoblin> broken a bit is it then ibuclaw
[09:50] <ibuclaw> hobgoblin, just a tad
[09:51] <hobgoblin> mine was a bit broken this morning for some reason - though there only appeared to be a console-setup upgrade though - that said it did boot properly afterwards
[10:00] <oldpeculiar> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa/+index?start=75&batch=75
[10:01] <oldpeculiar> package updates beyond 22/04/2010
[10:01] <oldpeculiar> +git20100422.3de065d6-0ubuntu0sarvatt2
[16:40] <nhandler> PERL!!!
[16:40] <Votebot> PERL!!!
[17:28] <shahan> hello everybody
[17:29] <shahan> another problem
[17:29] <shahan> double kernal installed on my PC
[17:30] <shahan> 6.3.31-20 the latest one
[17:30] <shahan> with 6.3.31-14
[17:30] <shahan> the older one installed with my setup of ubuntu 9.10
[17:31] <shahan> but the new one installed when I updated the whole ubuntu (about a 250MB update)
[17:31] <shahan> now... when the PC starts both the kernel is shown in Grub list
[17:31] <shahan> I want to remove the older one from the GRUB list
[17:31] <shahan> how to do it
[17:31] <shahan> please help me
[17:42] <shahan> any body here who can help me about my problem?
[17:47] <geirha> I'm sure you mean 2.6.31-14 and 2.6.31-20
[17:47] <geirha> System -> Administration -> Synaptic    search for 2.6.31-14  and remove the linux-image and linux-headers packages that contain that version number.
[17:48] <shahan> geirha: yes you right
[17:49] <shahan> geirha: If I remove it will it make any problem?
[17:50] <geirha> No, I do that from time to time, though I usually keep the last two kernels around. In case the newest introduces some bug, I can switch to the previous.
[17:50] <shahan> geirha: hmm
[17:50] <shahan> geirha: please tell me the procedure again easily
[17:50] <shahan> geirha: I am not an advanced user....
[17:51] <shahan> geirha: :(
[17:51] <geirha> Have you opened up Synaptic and searched for 2.6.31-14?
[17:51] <shahan> geirha: yes
[17:52] <geirha> Ok, and then there are several hits, of which some are installed (likely three of them)
[17:52] <geirha> Marked with a green square as opposed to white square in the theme I'm using.
[17:53] <shahan> geirha: only one green square
[17:53] <geirha> Ah ok, only the linux-image then? I also have linux-headers installed.
[17:54] <shahan> geirha: which is "linux-image-2.6.31-14-generic"
[17:54] <geirha> Right, so click that and choose mark for removal
[17:54] <shahan> geirha: removal or complete removal?
[17:55] <geirha> Just removal is fine. complete removal will also remove the config-files, but in the case of the kernel packages, there are no config files.
[17:56] <geirha> And then you click the Apply button at the toolbar at the top
[17:58] <shahan> geirha: will it remove from my Grub list(which is shown at startup of PC)?
[17:58] <starcraftman> ah ha, question while I was eating, thanks for responding geirha.
[17:59] <shahan> starcraftman: will it remove from my Grub List?
[17:59] <geirha> shahan: Yes, when a kernel is removed, it updates the list
[17:59] <starcraftman> shahan: yes it will, long as your removing the image and header files.
[18:00] <shahan> ok....
[18:00] <shahan> let me restart the PC
[18:00] <shahan> will be back soon
[18:01] <starcraftman> geirha: new helper to the team?
[18:02] <geirha> starcraftman: No, I just hang around :)
[18:03] <shahan> geirha: tnx
[18:03] <shahan> geirha: now its look smart
[18:03] <shahan> geirha: where r u from?
[18:04] <geirha> shahan: Norway. You?
[18:04] <starcraftman> geirha: ah, alright, well all welcome. I'm just an old guy getting back to activity.
[18:05] <shahan> geirha: BANGLADESH
[18:25] <shahan> ok.. Good night everybody
[18:25] <shahan> its 11 25 PM
[18:25] <shahan> bye
[18:40] <hobgoblin> evening
[23:30] <frank1_> anyone know a good program to fetch all the album art for my 300gb collection?
[23:30] <frank1_> rhythmbox doesent seem to wanna work
[23:36] <Bodsda> frank1_: I used exaile for a while, which I think gathered album art quite well
[23:37] <frank1_> ok ill look into that. kinda annoying to have 80gb of music on my ipod and have no album art
[23:37] <Bodsda> frank1_: youll probably have to compile it though as the ones in the repo's (9.04 i think) dont work
[23:37] <frank1_> rhythmbox syncs quite well but wont fetch my friggin art
[23:38] <Bodsda> heh
[23:38] <frank1_> using 9.10
[23:42] <geirha> Which way does it fail? When copying to the ipod, or from the ipod?
[23:47] <frank1_> it copies fine
[23:47] <frank1_> it just does not allow me to search for album art
[23:48] <frank1_> the option is selected but the link is grayed out