| trinikrono | hey can someone join me up to the bugsquad i sent a email and everything i am also trying to get a mentor | 02:55 |
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| ddecator | there are only a few with the priveleges needed to add to bugsquad, it might just take until the end of the weekend. as for a mentor, have you applied for one on launchpad? | 02:56 |
| trinikrono | yes i have applied to launchpad and on the wikipage | 02:57 |
| ddecator | ah, there you are | 02:59 |
| ddecator | hm, you're not in my timezone, so i don't know if me being your mentor would work out too well since i'm usually on really late. other mentors can look and, if one is in a similar timezone to you, they will contact you. otherwise, you can ask any questions you have on this channel until then | 03:00 |
| trinikrono | okie | 03:00 |
| ddecator | when did you send the email asking be to admitted into bugsquad? | 03:01 |
| trinikrono | i sent it today | 03:01 |
| trinikrono | i was pokin in a few bugs | 03:01 |
| ddecator | ah, give it a couple of days =) | 03:01 |
| trinikrono | just ones that should be invalid | 03:01 |
| ddecator | bdmurray and hggdh usually handle admissions, and they have a lot of emails to go through. but they should get to it soon | 03:02 |
| trinikrono | okie well thanks | 03:02 |
| ddecator | no problem, sorry i can't admit you myself =) | 03:03 |
| trinikrono | once i get back internet home it wont matter to much the times | 03:03 |
| trinikrono | i tend to not sleep | 03:03 |
| nigelbabu | micahg: hey, got a min? | 03:51 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: sure | 03:51 |
| nigelbabu | micahg: you've seen the work of ~ubuntu-reviews right? | 03:52 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: not exactly | 03:52 |
| nigelbabu | I was wondering if you've got some time on Monday to help us just do a dry run to patch day | 03:52 |
| nigelbabu | oh, well, here is the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam | 03:53 |
| nigelbabu | its about reviewing patches attached to bug reprots | 03:53 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: no, sorry, too much to do, I still have about 30 packages to backport in the next week and a half | 03:53 |
| nigelbabu | whoa! | 03:54 |
| nigelbabu | sure, no problem :) | 03:54 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: I wish I could help, if you find any patches for mozilla packages feel free to ping me though | 03:54 |
| nigelbabu | sure. I just ping the folks involved. mostly mozilla stuff is taken care of | 03:55 |
| nigelbabu | I find a lot of universe pacakges being ignored. | 03:56 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: well, they probably don't have anyone watching after them, we have lots of packages | 03:56 |
| nigelbabu | yeah. thats mostly the case. | 03:56 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: I'm trying to adopt several packages from universe to help | 04:01 |
| nigelbabu | ooh, great :) | 04:01 |
| micahg | nigelbabu: I don't have time yet to go through the bug backlog for them yet though | 04:01 |
| Nivex | Howdy! I'm wondering who to talk to about getting LP#31272 closed out. It's got a bad link to the Debian bug tracker, but the issue has been closed for some time now. | 04:42 |
| ddecator | bug 31272 | 04:42 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 31272 in debian (and 2 other projects) "wvdial modem detection hangs dapper installer (dups: 2) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31272 | 04:42 |
| micahg | Nivex: when it's closed in Debian, the status will update in LP | 04:44 |
| ddecator | right, and the ubuntu statuses are taken care of | 04:44 |
| Nivex | micahg: it was closed in Debian but for some reason that state never got propagated | 04:44 |
| ddecator | it can take a while | 04:44 |
| micahg | Nivex: it doesn't look closed in Debian, just a message about closing | 04:44 |
| Nivex | "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made." | 04:45 |
| Nivex | it can't ever be closed then | 04:46 |
| micahg | Nivex: right, so I don't know enough about the Debian tracker, but it doesn't seem to have a status update | 04:46 |
| ddecator | yah, i've never seen a debian report before, but i don't see anywhere that marks a status.. | 04:47 |
| Nivex | at the top of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=329720 it shows my having marked it as Done | 04:48 |
| ubot4 | Debian bug 329720 in wvstreams "wvdialconf hangs during scan of ircomm ports" [Important,Open] | 04:48 |
| Nivex | gah! Open says ye! | 04:48 |
| Nivex | Close sesame! :-P | 04:48 |
| ddecator | oh, is that the status? haha | 04:48 |
| Nivex | Launchpad says: | 04:50 |
| Nivex | Debian Bug tracker bug #329720 appears not to exist. Check that the bug number is correct. | 04:50 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 329720 in inkscape "Numeric input of colour values broken in Gradients" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329720 | 04:50 |
| micahg | Nivex: might want to ask in #launchpad about debian bug syncing | 04:51 |
| Nivex | ok will do. | 04:51 |
| hggdh | oh hasty people | 05:48 |
| micahg | hggdh: hi | 05:49 |
| micahg | hggdh: up for some testing? | 05:49 |
| nigelbabu | heya hggdh | 05:49 |
| ddecator | hey hggdh | 05:50 |
| nigelbabu | just a general service announcment, anyone who'd like to help with patch review are welcome on monday | 05:51 |
| nigelbabu | we're having a dry run patch day to figure out similicity and ease of use of docs | 05:51 |
| ddecator | nigelbabu: i keep hearing you talk about that, but i'm not familiar with what it entails.. | 05:51 |
| nigelbabu | there are 1800 bugs with patches attached in launchpad | 05:53 |
| nigelbabu | some may or may not be actual patches, some may not be even relevant | 05:53 |
| nigelbabu | the ~ubuntu-reviews team will go through each bug, each patch and "triage" them | 05:53 |
| nigelbabu | right now, we're focusing on the newer bugs in a review queue like sponsorship queu | 05:54 |
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| cwillu | nigelbabu, I've generally had more success by dealing with debian specifically, rather than trying to get bugs fixed by sending patches to launchpad or directly upstream; is this an acceptable way of approaching the problem, or should I actually be able to get things done by working from launchpad? | 15:17 |
| cwillu | case in point, a bug with gnome-panel's vertical orientation has existing for nearly 7 years, with workable patches which improve the behaviour significantly for 3 years or so. The gnome bug has had no actual developer activity on it however, nor has the ubuntu bug. On the other hand, I got a reply from the debian maintainer minutes after I emailed her, and as far as I can tell, the fixes will actually be applied in debian soon. | 15:20 |
| penguin42 | cwillu: It's one of those things that varies heavily based on the maintainer at each level though doesn't it? | 15:25 |
| cwillu | It varies heavily at the ubuntu and the upstream level, but I've found that it _doesn't_ vary a whole lot at the debian level. | 15:26 |
| cwillu | which could just be luck on my part I suppose | 15:27 |
| vish | cwillu: vertical panel bug? bug# ? | 15:27 |
| * vish interested , since i use only vertical panels :) | 15:27 | |
| vish | panel rather.. | 15:27 |
| cwillu | vish, window list with more than 7 items has horrendous behaviour | 15:27 |
| cwillu | notably bad with wide panels, but I think you can trigger it with narrow ones as well | 15:27 |
| cwillu | sec, need to find the relevant bugs | 15:27 |
| vish | ah , that one.. i stopped using the window list in the panel and started using a dock for window list ;) | 15:28 |
| cwillu | gnome bug #86382 | 15:28 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 86382 in window list "Fix window list on vertical panels (with possible rotation)" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382 | 15:28 |
| cwillu | I've got debs if you want 'em :p | 15:28 |
| cwillu | bug #43066 is ubuntu's | 15:29 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 43066 in libwnck (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Window list behaves bad when panel is vertical. (affects: 33) (dups: 15) (heat: 310)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43066 | 15:29 |
| vish | hehe 15dups :D | 15:29 |
| cwillu | it's not actually a bug in gnome-panel, although an api change would help some related issues | 15:29 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: its the way how debian works that helps | 15:32 |
| cwillu | I guess I'm complaining that it often feels like I'm pushing on a piece of string when I file anything in launchpad :p | 15:32 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: ubuntu doesn't have as many contributors as debian. I agree they are more responsive as long as its not a QA package | 15:33 |
| penguin42 | cwillu: Well, I've had 10 year old bugs in Debian bts as well | 15:33 |
| nigelbabu | the ones that doesn't have a maintainer at all | 15:33 |
| cwillu | nigelbabu, fair enough | 15:33 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: the reviewers team is working to correct that | 15:34 |
| nigelbabu | it is entirely possible and only needs some stream-lined effort | 15:34 |
| cwillu | it'd be nice if launchpad bugs could be quickly verified as applying to debian, and then pushed to their bug tracker (or convince them to switch to launchpad ;) | 15:34 |
| aburch | cwillu: Debian's bug tracking software is much nicer than Launchpad. | 15:35 |
| cwillu | in what sense? | 15:36 |
| nigelbabu | aburch: that is entirely according to people. | 15:36 |
| nigelbabu | I found it daunting for some time. | 15:36 |
| cwillu | I just finding theirs annoying to work with | 15:36 |
| nigelbabu | Now I can live with it, but I still don't really like it | 15:36 |
| aburch | cwillu: It has version tracking and there is no requirement to register. | 15:37 |
| nigelbabu | yeah, but its going to get newbies lost | 15:37 |
| aburch | Having to register to report bugs is really annoying. More so when having to deal with several bug tracking systems. | 15:37 |
| nigelbabu | Anyway no point in having an arugment on that. | 15:38 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: so are you interested in helping with reviewing patches? | 15:38 |
| aburch | I have to admit that Launchpad's web interface looks nicer :) | 15:39 |
| yofel | I don't like that the debian bts is e-mail *only* | 15:39 |
| cwillu | is it? I could have sworn I was using an interface re: a dpkg bug that got fixed last month | 15:40 |
| yofel | I admit that it is better than launchpad in some parts | 15:40 |
| yofel | well, you can view bugs online, but I haven't yet found out how to edit anything there (if that's possible at all) | 15:41 |
| cwillu | debian bug #575891 | 15:41 |
| ubot4 | Debian bug 575891 in dpkg "dpkg makes wrong assumption about readdir() and lose metadata files with btrfs" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/575891 | 15:41 |
| aburch | It's not possible to edit anything via the web interface. Only mails. | 15:41 |
| cwillu | ah, I see | 15:41 |
| aburch | Which works quite well once one gets used to it :) | 15:42 |
| yofel | even the subscribe and reply links are mailto: | 15:42 |
| cwillu | I guess that sidesteps the registration requirement | 15:42 |
| yofel | aburch: might be, bug especially for subscribe it's a bit annoying: send subcription, wait for mail, send confirmation | 15:42 |
| yofel | cwillu: yes | 15:42 |
| cwillu | nigelbabu, I am, although I think my time might be better spent writing patches; I'm open to suggestions on that front though | 15:43 |
| aburch | Yes, the confirmations are annoying. I don't do (or need) that often. | 15:43 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: cool. if you've written a patch and you wanted someone to take a look, don't hesitate to poke me | 15:43 |
| cwillu | nigelbabu, gnome bug #86382, I've got debs if you want 'em :p | 15:43 |
| ubot4 | Gnome bug 86382 in window list "Fix window list on vertical panels (with possible rotation)" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382 | 15:43 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: we're too late for lucid I think though I'll talk to someone from desktop team tomorrow. | 15:44 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: in this case, I suggested trying to get it into debian. | 15:45 |
| cwillu | which I might have already done :p | 15:46 |
| cwillu | although if upstream gets it from multiple angles :p | 15:46 |
| nigelbabu | cwillu: cool :) | 15:47 |
| nigelbabu | Oh yeah, I wanted to write a blog post about patch authors. I should do that soon :) | 15:47 |
| micahg | cwillu: is it a universe package or in main? | 15:47 |
| cwillu | micahg, libwnck22? that's where most gnome-panel applets live, it's in main afaik | 15:48 |
| cwillu | !info libwnck22 | 15:48 |
| ubot4 | cwillu: libwnck22 (source: libwnck): Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.28.0-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 97 kB, installed size 320 kB | 15:48 |
| cwillu | (can't imagine it wouldn't be :p) | 15:48 |
| micahg | cwillu: yeah, so unless it's critical for release, it's too late, if you think it needs to be in, you should ask in #ubuntu-release | 15:49 |
| penguin42 | the ones I worry about for release are the number of kms cases that leave people with black screens | 15:50 |
| cwillu | it wasn't critical for any of the last 12 releases, I can't imagine it's critical now :p | 15:50 |
| cwillu | yep | 15:50 |
| micahg | penguin42: patches welcome :) | 15:50 |
| cwillu | I'm not sure they are :p | 15:51 |
| cwillu | I get the feeling bryce wishes we could all go back to... earlier times... ;p | 15:52 |
| * persia can only count 11 prior releases, and wonders which is missing (warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy, hardy, intrepid, jaunty, karmic) | 15:53 | |
| cwillu | off-by-one | 15:54 |
| cwillu | 9.10 - 4.10 = 12, except when it isn't :p | 15:54 |
| cwillu | er, 4.04 | 15:55 |
| persia | Was there a 4.04? I thought 4.10 was the first. | 15:55 |
| * cwillu gives up | 15:55 | |
| cwillu | you're right | 15:55 |
| persia | 404: Not Found. It all makes sense now :) | 15:56 |
| cwillu | ooo, swell-foop is implemented in javascript | 15:56 |
| cwillu | that explains why it's so freaking slow :p | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | 4.10 was first | 15:56 |
| charlie-tca | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog says this one was second | 15:57 |
| persia | We're clearly slipping. We've fallen behind *three weeks* in the past 5 years. | 15:58 |
| yofel | hm... that reminds me: why the helll is the default background image still called warty-final-ubuntu.png? | 15:59 |
| charlie-tca | heh | 15:59 |
| * yofel wonders if it's even worth to mention that it's actually a JPEG | 15:59 | |
| charlie-tca | "lest we forget" ? | 15:59 |
| persia | There's probably a bug to change the default image setting to a better name, but nobody has figured out a way not to break current users on upgrades yet. | 16:01 |
| vish | Bug #296538 | 16:10 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 296538 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "warty-final-ubuntu.png is actually a jpeg (affects: 16) (dups: 3) (heat: 112)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296538 | 16:10 |
| vish | every release some user mentions , "still there" ;p | 16:11 |
| vish | maybe someone with the magical powers should decline it for Lucid and such | 16:12 |
| persia | No point: we'd have to do that for far too many bugs: it's waiting for someone to figure out how to support continuous upgraders since warty with continuous correct default background. | 16:32 |
| penguin42 | there's plenty like that breaks on an update though | 16:32 |
| persia | Those are all unintentional, and represent more bugs. Please file them too :) | 16:33 |
| persia | Anything that appears to intentionally break on upgrade is an example of someone getting frustrated in bug comments. | 16:33 |
| persia | Things intentionally *change*, but they shouldn't ever break. | 16:33 |
| penguin42 | persia: Already filed :-) | 16:34 |
| cwillu | bug: glines doesn't properly commemorate the event upon achieving a score greater than one thousand points in a "small" board | 16:46 |
| cwillu | at a minimum, an unobtrusive popup should appear on _everyone's_ desktops | 16:48 |
| cwillu | not sure how to handle headless servers though. Perhaps an email should be sent | 16:48 |
| persia | Um, no. | 16:54 |
| cwillu | I suppose not; what if it got caught in a spam filter or something? | 16:54 |
| persia | I don't want mail when you get a high score :) I want to notice that I'm no longer in first place though :) | 16:54 |
| cwillu | what's your highscore? :p | 16:55 |
| persia | Not high enough :) | 16:58 |
| cwillu | :p | 16:58 |
| cwillu | I've only broken 1000 twice, in something like 5 years of playing this silly game :p | 16:58 |
| cwillu | on the other hand, I've got a highscore of several million or billion or something on large | 16:59 |
| cwillu | apparently the scoring is exponential in the number of cleared pieces :p | 17:00 |
| cwillu | (yes, I'm very proud of my glines play :p) | 17:01 |
| persia | Right. Trying now, I get frustrated at about 100 on small, although I still have a few open moves. | 17:01 |
| cwillu | my median score is 200-300 | 17:02 |
| cwillu | moving the most constrained piece into the most constrained place is probably good advice | 17:03 |
| penguin42 | Does anyone know Matthew Paul Thomas's email address - I'm trying to cc him on a reply on the ayatana list but I've lost his original post and all the archives just show mptĪ©..... as anti-spam - is it ubuntu.com ? | 17:07 |
| cwillu | pidgin? | 17:07 |
| persia | penguin42: You should always be able to use the "Contact this user" feature in launchpad, if you can't get someone's address. Most folks publish some addresses on their LP page. | 17:08 |
| persia | penguin42: The other trick is to go to someone's LP page, find something they uploaded, and check the changelog entry for their email address. | 17:09 |
| cwillu | mpt@myrealbox.com, mpt@canonical, matthew.thomas@canonical.com | 17:09 |
| cwillu | thought the myrealbox.com was a cloak when I checked his whois, but I guess it's not :) | 17:10 |
| penguin42 | thanks - I'll go with the canonical one | 17:10 |
| persia | Which were previously mirrored several places, and are now mirrored even more in several logs known to be used as input to posting engines :) | 17:10 |
| cwillu | if your approach to email management consists of secrecy, you fail at email management :p | 17:11 |
| penguin42 | only the spammers will know | 17:12 |
| cwillu | worse: ubuntuforums will know | 17:15 |
| penguin42 | a GMA950 - is that anything like a 945 ? | 17:47 |
| penguin42 | I know one of them is completely different but I can't remember which | 17:48 |
| acicula | ones atom | 17:56 |
| acicula | other pentium D | 17:57 |
| penguin42 | the graphics driver for one is completely different - is that the GMA500? | 18:08 |
| persia | penguin42: Search for "PSB ${given model number}". THose are the risky ones (for now, but rumour has it that a solution might be forthcoming) | 18:11 |
| penguin42 | ah ok, it is the 500 that's the weird one - I was just cheecking after a bug I follow relating to the 945 someone merged a 950 bug into - and they are the same family | 18:12 |
| anoteng | Can a controller please set Bug #508790 to triaged/low? | 20:10 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 508790 in nautilus-open-terminal (Ubuntu) "language translation is bad on ubuntu 9.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508790 | 20:10 |
| * persia looks | 20:10 | |
| persia | anoteng: Sure. | 20:11 |
| anoteng | thanks | 20:11 |
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| elleuca | could someone take a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/569926 | 22:28 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 569926 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "[Regression] wrong audio volume output stepping for USB speakers (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] | 22:28 |
| BetaBrain | ci sentiamo dopo | 22:36 |
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