[02:55] <trinikrono> hey can someone join me up to the bugsquad i sent a email and everything i am also trying to get a mentor
[02:56] <ddecator> there are only a few with the priveleges needed to add to bugsquad, it might just take until the end of the weekend. as for a mentor, have you applied for one on launchpad?
[02:57] <trinikrono> yes i have applied to launchpad and on the wikipage
[02:59] <ddecator> ah, there you are
[03:00] <ddecator> hm, you're not in my timezone, so i don't know if me being your mentor would work out too well since i'm usually on really late. other mentors can look and, if one is in a similar timezone to you, they will contact you. otherwise, you can ask any questions you have on this channel until then
[03:00] <trinikrono> okie
[03:01] <ddecator> when did you send the email asking be to admitted into bugsquad?
[03:01] <trinikrono> i sent it today
[03:01] <trinikrono> i was pokin in a few bugs
[03:01] <ddecator> ah, give it a couple of days =)
[03:01] <trinikrono> just ones that should be invalid
[03:02] <ddecator> bdmurray and hggdh usually handle admissions, and they have a lot of emails to go through. but they should get to it soon
[03:02] <trinikrono> okie well thanks
[03:03] <ddecator> no problem, sorry i can't admit you myself =)
[03:03] <trinikrono> once i get back internet home it wont matter to much the times
[03:03] <trinikrono> i tend to not sleep
[03:51] <nigelbabu> micahg: hey, got a min?
[03:51] <micahg> nigelbabu: sure
[03:52] <nigelbabu> micahg: you've seen the work of ~ubuntu-reviews right?
[03:52] <micahg> nigelbabu: not exactly
[03:52] <nigelbabu> I was wondering if you've got some time on Monday to help us just do a dry run to patch day
[03:53] <nigelbabu> oh, well, here is the wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam
[03:53] <nigelbabu> its about reviewing patches attached to bug reprots
[03:53] <micahg> nigelbabu: no, sorry, too much to do, I still have about 30 packages to backport in the next week and a half
[03:54] <nigelbabu> whoa!
[03:54] <nigelbabu> sure, no problem :)
[03:54] <micahg> nigelbabu: I wish I could help, if you find any patches for mozilla packages feel free to ping me though
[03:55] <nigelbabu> sure.  I just ping the folks involved. mostly mozilla stuff is taken care of
[03:56] <nigelbabu> I find a lot of universe pacakges being ignored.
[03:56] <micahg> nigelbabu: well, they probably don't have anyone watching after them, we have lots of packages
[03:56] <nigelbabu> yeah.  thats mostly the case.
[04:01] <micahg> nigelbabu: I'm trying to adopt several packages from universe to help
[04:01] <nigelbabu> ooh, great :)
[04:01] <micahg> nigelbabu: I don't have time yet to go through the bug backlog for them yet though
[04:42] <Nivex> Howdy!  I'm wondering who to talk to about getting LP#31272 closed out.  It's got a bad link to the Debian bug tracker, but the issue has been closed for some time now.
[04:42] <ddecator> bug 31272
[04:42] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 31272 in debian (and 2 other projects) "wvdial modem detection hangs dapper installer (dups: 2) (heat: 8)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/31272
[04:44] <micahg> Nivex: when it's closed in Debian, the status will update in LP
[04:44] <ddecator> right, and the ubuntu statuses are taken care of
[04:44] <Nivex> micahg: it was closed in Debian but for some reason that state never got propagated
[04:44] <ddecator> it can take a while
[04:44] <micahg> Nivex: it doesn't look closed in Debian, just a message about closing
[04:45] <Nivex> "Bug is archived. No further changes may be made."
[04:46] <Nivex> it can't ever be closed then
[04:46] <micahg> Nivex: right, so I don't know enough about the Debian tracker, but it doesn't seem to have a status update
[04:47] <ddecator> yah, i've never seen a debian report before, but i don't see anywhere that marks a status..
[04:48] <Nivex> at the top of http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=329720 it shows my having marked it as Done
[04:48] <ubot4> Debian bug 329720 in wvstreams "wvdialconf hangs during scan of ircomm ports" [Important,Open]
[04:48] <Nivex> gah!  Open says ye!
[04:48] <Nivex> Close sesame! :-P
[04:48] <ddecator> oh, is that the status? haha
[04:50] <Nivex> Launchpad says:
[04:50] <Nivex> Debian Bug tracker bug #329720 appears not to exist. Check that the bug number is correct.
[04:50] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 329720 in inkscape "Numeric input of colour values broken in Gradients" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/329720
[04:51] <micahg> Nivex: might want to ask in #launchpad about debian bug syncing
[04:51] <Nivex> ok will do.
[05:48] <hggdh> oh hasty people
[05:49] <micahg> hggdh: hi
[05:49] <micahg> hggdh: up for some testing?
[05:49] <nigelbabu> heya hggdh
[05:50] <ddecator> hey hggdh
[05:51] <nigelbabu> just a general service announcment, anyone who'd like to help with patch review are welcome on monday
[05:51] <nigelbabu> we're having a dry run patch day to figure out similicity and ease of use of docs
[05:51] <ddecator> nigelbabu: i keep hearing you talk about that, but i'm not familiar with what it entails..
[05:53] <nigelbabu> there are 1800 bugs with patches attached in launchpad
[05:53] <nigelbabu> some may or may not be actual patches, some may not be even relevant
[05:53] <nigelbabu> the ~ubuntu-reviews team will go through each bug, each patch and "triage" them
[05:54] <nigelbabu> right now, we're focusing on the newer bugs in a review queue like sponsorship queu
[15:17] <cwillu> nigelbabu, I've generally had more success by dealing with debian specifically, rather than trying to get bugs fixed by sending patches to launchpad or directly upstream;  is this an acceptable way of approaching the problem, or should I actually be able to get things done by working from launchpad?
[15:20] <cwillu> case in point, a bug with gnome-panel's vertical orientation has existing for nearly 7 years, with workable patches which improve the behaviour significantly for 3 years or so.  The gnome bug has had no actual developer activity on it however, nor has the ubuntu bug.  On the other hand, I got a reply from the debian maintainer minutes after I emailed her, and as far as I can tell, the fixes will actually be applied in debian soon.
[15:25] <penguin42> cwillu: It's one of those things that varies heavily based on the maintainer at each level though doesn't it?
[15:26] <cwillu> It varies heavily at the ubuntu and the upstream level, but I've found that it _doesn't_ vary a whole lot at the debian level.
[15:27] <cwillu> which could just be luck on my part I suppose
[15:27] <vish> cwillu: vertical panel bug? bug# ?
[15:27]  * vish interested , since i use only vertical panels :)
[15:27] <vish> panel rather..
[15:27] <cwillu> vish, window list with more than 7 items has horrendous behaviour
[15:27] <cwillu> notably bad with wide panels, but I think you can trigger it with narrow ones as well
[15:27] <cwillu> sec, need to find the relevant bugs
[15:28] <vish> ah , that one.. i stopped using the window list in the panel and started using a dock for window list ;)
[15:28] <cwillu> gnome bug #86382
[15:28] <ubot4> Gnome bug 86382 in window list "Fix window list on vertical panels (with possible rotation)" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382
[15:28] <cwillu> I've got debs if you want 'em :p
[15:29] <cwillu> bug #43066 is ubuntu's
[15:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 43066 in libwnck (Ubuntu) (and 2 other projects) "Window list behaves bad when panel is vertical. (affects: 33) (dups: 15) (heat: 310)" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/43066
[15:29] <vish> hehe 15dups :D
[15:29] <cwillu> it's not actually a bug in gnome-panel, although an api change would help some related issues
[15:32] <nigelbabu> cwillu: its the way how debian works that helps
[15:32] <cwillu> I guess I'm complaining that it often feels like I'm pushing on a piece of string when I file anything in launchpad :p
[15:33] <nigelbabu> cwillu: ubuntu doesn't have as many contributors as debian.  I agree they are more responsive as long as its not a QA package
[15:33] <penguin42> cwillu: Well, I've had 10 year old bugs in Debian bts as well
[15:33] <nigelbabu> the ones that doesn't have a maintainer at all
[15:33] <cwillu> nigelbabu, fair enough
[15:34] <nigelbabu> cwillu: the reviewers team is working to correct that
[15:34] <nigelbabu> it is entirely possible and only needs some stream-lined effort
[15:34] <cwillu> it'd be nice if launchpad bugs could be quickly verified as applying to debian, and then pushed to their bug tracker (or convince them to switch to launchpad ;)
[15:35] <aburch> cwillu: Debian's bug tracking software is much nicer than Launchpad.
[15:36] <cwillu> in what sense?
[15:36] <nigelbabu> aburch: that is entirely according to people.
[15:36] <nigelbabu> I found it daunting for some time.
[15:36] <cwillu> I just finding theirs annoying to work with
[15:36] <nigelbabu> Now I can live with it, but I still don't really like it
[15:37] <aburch> cwillu: It has version tracking and there is no requirement to register.
[15:37] <nigelbabu> yeah, but its going to get newbies lost
[15:37] <aburch> Having to register to report bugs is really annoying.  More so when having to deal with several bug tracking systems.
[15:38] <nigelbabu> Anyway no point in having an arugment on that.
[15:38] <nigelbabu> cwillu: so are you interested in helping with reviewing patches?
[15:39] <aburch> I have to admit that Launchpad's web interface looks nicer :)
[15:39] <yofel> I don't like that the debian bts is e-mail *only*
[15:40] <cwillu> is it?  I could have sworn I was using an interface re: a dpkg bug that got fixed last month
[15:40] <yofel> I admit that it is better than launchpad in some parts
[15:41] <yofel> well, you can view bugs online, but I haven't yet found out how to edit anything there (if that's possible at all)
[15:41] <cwillu> debian bug #575891
[15:41] <ubot4> Debian bug 575891 in dpkg "dpkg makes wrong assumption about readdir() and lose metadata files with btrfs" [Important,Fixed] http://bugs.debian.org/575891
[15:41] <aburch> It's not possible to edit anything via the web interface.  Only mails.
[15:41] <cwillu> ah, I see
[15:42] <aburch> Which works quite well once one gets used to it :)
[15:42] <yofel> even the subscribe and reply links are mailto:
[15:42] <cwillu> I guess that sidesteps the registration requirement
[15:42] <yofel> aburch: might be, bug especially for subscribe it's a bit annoying: send subcription, wait for mail, send confirmation
[15:42] <yofel> cwillu: yes
[15:43] <cwillu> nigelbabu, I am, although I think my time might be better spent writing patches;  I'm open to suggestions on that front though
[15:43] <aburch> Yes, the confirmations are annoying.  I don't do (or need) that often.
[15:43] <nigelbabu> cwillu: cool.  if you've written a patch and you wanted someone to take a look, don't hesitate to poke me
[15:43] <cwillu> nigelbabu, gnome bug #86382, I've got debs if you want 'em :p
[15:43] <ubot4> Gnome bug 86382 in window list "Fix window list on vertical panels (with possible rotation)" [Major,New] http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=86382
[15:44] <nigelbabu> cwillu: we're too late for lucid I think though I'll talk to someone from desktop team tomorrow.
[15:45] <nigelbabu> cwillu: in this case, I suggested trying to get it into debian.
[15:46] <cwillu> which I might have already done :p
[15:46] <cwillu> although if upstream gets it from multiple angles :p
[15:47] <nigelbabu> cwillu: cool :)
[15:47] <nigelbabu> Oh yeah, I wanted to write a blog post about patch authors.  I should do that soon :)
[15:47] <micahg> cwillu: is it a universe package or in main?
[15:48] <cwillu> micahg, libwnck22?  that's where most gnome-panel applets live, it's in main afaik
[15:48] <cwillu> !info libwnck22
[15:48] <ubot4> cwillu: libwnck22 (source: libwnck): Window Navigator Construction Kit - runtime files. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.28.0-0ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 97 kB, installed size 320 kB
[15:48] <cwillu> (can't imagine it wouldn't be :p)
[15:49] <micahg> cwillu: yeah, so unless it's critical for release, it's too late, if you think it needs to be in, you should ask in #ubuntu-release
[15:50] <penguin42> the ones I worry about for release are the number of kms cases that leave people with black screens
[15:50] <cwillu> it wasn't critical for any of the last 12 releases, I can't imagine it's critical now :p
[15:50] <cwillu> yep
[15:50] <micahg> penguin42: patches welcome :)
[15:51] <cwillu> I'm not sure they are :p
[15:52] <cwillu> I get the feeling bryce wishes we could all go back to... earlier times... ;p
[15:53]  * persia can only count 11 prior releases, and wonders which is missing (warty, hoary, breezy, dapper, edgy, feisty, gutsy, hardy, intrepid, jaunty, karmic)
[15:54] <cwillu> off-by-one
[15:54] <cwillu> 9.10 - 4.10 = 12, except when it isn't :p
[15:55] <cwillu> er, 4.04
[15:55] <persia> Was there a 4.04?  I thought 4.10 was the first.
[15:55]  * cwillu gives up
[15:55] <cwillu> you're right
[15:56] <persia> 404: Not Found.  It all makes sense now :)
[15:56] <cwillu> ooo, swell-foop is implemented in javascript
[15:56] <cwillu> that explains why it's so freaking slow :p
[15:56] <charlie-tca> 4.10 was first
[15:57] <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HoaryHedgehog says this one was second
[15:58] <persia> We're clearly slipping.  We've fallen behind *three weeks* in the past 5 years.
[15:59] <yofel> hm... that reminds me: why the helll is the default background image still called warty-final-ubuntu.png?
[15:59] <charlie-tca> heh
[15:59]  * yofel wonders if it's even worth to mention that it's actually a JPEG
[15:59] <charlie-tca> "lest we forget" ?
[16:01] <persia> There's probably a bug to change the default image setting to a better name, but nobody has figured out a way not to break current users on upgrades yet.
[16:10] <vish> Bug #296538
[16:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 296538 in ubuntu-wallpapers (Ubuntu) "warty-final-ubuntu.png is actually a jpeg (affects: 16) (dups: 3) (heat: 112)" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/296538
[16:11] <vish> every release some user mentions  , "still there" ;p
[16:12] <vish> maybe someone with the magical powers should decline it for Lucid and such
[16:32] <persia> No point: we'd have to do that for far too many bugs: it's waiting for someone to figure out how to support continuous upgraders since warty with continuous correct default background.
[16:32] <penguin42> there's plenty like that breaks on an update though
[16:33] <persia> Those are all unintentional, and represent more bugs.  Please file them too :)
[16:33] <persia> Anything that appears to intentionally break on upgrade is an example of someone getting frustrated in bug comments.
[16:33] <persia> Things intentionally *change*, but they shouldn't ever break.
[16:34] <penguin42> persia: Already filed :-)
[16:46] <cwillu> bug:  glines doesn't properly commemorate the event upon achieving a score greater than one thousand points in a "small" board
[16:48] <cwillu> at a minimum, an unobtrusive popup should appear on _everyone's_ desktops
[16:48] <cwillu> not sure how to handle headless servers though.  Perhaps an email should be sent
[16:54] <persia> Um, no.
[16:54] <cwillu> I suppose not;  what if it got caught in a spam filter or something?
[16:54] <persia> I don't want mail when you get a high score :)  I want to notice that I'm no longer in first place though :)
[16:55] <cwillu> what's your highscore? :p
[16:58] <persia> Not high enough :)
[16:58] <cwillu> :p
[16:58] <cwillu> I've only broken 1000 twice, in something like 5 years of playing this silly game :p
[16:59] <cwillu> on the other hand, I've got a highscore of several million or billion or something on large
[17:00] <cwillu> apparently the scoring is exponential in the number of cleared pieces :p
[17:01] <cwillu> (yes, I'm very proud of my glines play :p)
[17:01] <persia> Right.  Trying now, I get frustrated at about 100 on small, although I still have a few open moves.
[17:02] <cwillu> my median score is 200-300
[17:03] <cwillu> moving the most constrained piece into the most constrained place is probably good advice
[17:07] <penguin42> Does anyone know Matthew Paul Thomas's email address - I'm trying to cc him on a reply on the ayatana list but I've lost his original post and all the archives just show mptΩ..... as anti-spam - is it ubuntu.com ?
[17:07] <cwillu> pidgin?
[17:08] <persia> penguin42: You should always be able to use the "Contact this user" feature in launchpad, if you can't get someone's address.  Most folks publish some addresses on their LP page.
[17:09] <persia> penguin42: The other trick is to go to someone's LP page, find something they uploaded, and check the changelog entry for their email address.
[17:09] <cwillu> mpt@myrealbox.com, mpt@canonical, matthew.thomas@canonical.com
[17:10] <cwillu> thought the myrealbox.com was a cloak when I checked his whois, but I guess it's not :)
[17:10] <penguin42> thanks  - I'll go with the canonical one
[17:10] <persia> Which were previously mirrored several places, and are now mirrored even more in several logs known to be used as input to posting engines :)
[17:11] <cwillu> if your approach to email management consists of secrecy, you fail at email management :p
[17:12] <penguin42> only the spammers will know
[17:15] <cwillu> worse:  ubuntuforums will know
[17:47] <penguin42> a GMA950 - is that anything like a 945 ?
[17:48] <penguin42> I know one of them is completely different but I can't remember which
[17:56] <acicula> ones atom
[17:57] <acicula> other pentium D
[18:08] <penguin42> the graphics driver for one is completely different - is that the GMA500?
[18:11] <persia> penguin42: Search for "PSB ${given model number}".  THose are the risky ones (for now, but rumour has it that a solution might be forthcoming)
[18:12] <penguin42> ah ok, it is the 500 that's the weird one - I was just cheecking after a bug I follow relating to the 945 someone merged a 950 bug into - and they are the same family
[20:10] <anoteng> Can a controller please set Bug #508790 to triaged/low?
[20:10] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 508790 in nautilus-open-terminal (Ubuntu) "language translation is bad on ubuntu 9.10 (affects: 1) (heat: 8)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/508790
[20:10]  * persia looks
[20:11] <persia> anoteng: Sure.
[20:11] <anoteng> thanks
[22:28] <elleuca> could someone take a look here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/569926
[22:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 569926 in pulseaudio (Ubuntu) "[Regression] wrong audio volume output stepping for USB speakers (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[22:36] <BetaBrain> ci sentiamo dopo