[01:18] original font stack? [01:18] dejavu sans condensed, sans, verdana, arial [03:20] hi everyone, what's crackin? [03:28] Hey, humphreybc. not too much. [03:29] I'm trying to get the \screenshot command to remove a blank line it keeps inserting. (not sure why it's putting it there.) [09:04] Hey, thorwil. What problems are you having with the title page script? [09:05] godbyk: as said in the email, it doesn't replace the titles of the generated SVGs anymore [09:06] so it remains "Getting Started ..." in all language versions [09:08] Ah, I'll look at it. [09:08] I didn't get an email from you, though. [09:08] * godbyk checks his spam folder... [09:10] (I don't see anything in my spam folder, either. Odd.) [09:10] godbyk: don't you use your at ubuntu-manual.org address? [09:11] thorwil: yeah, kevin@ubuntu-manual.org should forward to godbyk@gmail.com [09:11] godbyk: 2 emails got lost, then [09:11] great. [09:13] * thorwil sends both again, to the other address [09:13] I got the ones you just sent. [09:13] Not sure what black hole the originals fell into. [09:15] * thorwil sends Test email [09:16] hi guyes [09:16] guys, even [09:16] hey, humphreybc [09:16] hi humphreybc [09:24] thorwil: I found the problem. [09:24] The template SVGs that you modified are using the old-style figures instead of lining figures. [09:24] But the script runs the find/replace against the title string with lining figures. [09:26] let me test my theory real quick and then I'll commit the fix. [09:28] godbyk: if you replace the figures in the templates, copy them to have "en" version, first, please [09:28] thorwil: That fixed it. I've pushed a fix. I just updated the SVGs to use lining figures and the generator script works again. [09:28] The figures get replaced with old-style figures after the translation process, if that's what you're referring to. [09:29] morning [09:29] morning, ubuntujenkins [09:29] godbyk: ok, thanks. how do we handle the english version? [09:29] ello [09:29] morning [09:29] hello humphreybc godbyk and thorwil lots of people here today :) [09:30] lol yup [09:30] thorwil: currently, it looks like my LaTeX code look for a file named 'titlepage/titlepage-LANGCODE.pdf' [09:30] if it fails to find that, then it falls back on either titlepage/title_page_a4_en.pdf or title_page_letter_en.pdf (depending on the paper size/language). [09:31] If you want me to modify any of that code, just let me know. [09:31] godbyk: i see en_AU and en_GB, but no en_US. AU uses letter format? [09:32] I think that I have all the languages except US English set to use A4 paper, but let me double-check that. [09:32] That appears to be the case.. all use A4 except en (US) [09:34] godbyk: there a single pdf checked in: titlepage_letter_en.pdf. can i delete that one? [09:35] hmm.. strange. [09:36] I don't see any files named title_page_a4_en.pdf or title_page_letter_en.pdf. [09:36] did they ever exist? or did I just make those up when I wrote this code? [09:36] thorwil: in any case, you can delete that file if you like. [09:36] godbyk: ugh. so maybe it isn't actually checked in. having so many ignore files in here confuses me [09:37] thorwil: if you you can provide me with a letter- and A4-sized English (US) version of the title page that I can have the code fall back on (when the translated version doesn't yet exist), that'd be good. just let me know what the filenames are. [09:37] godbyk: can en_GB and en_AU be handled with a symlink? [09:38] thorwil: hmm.. probably. though it might be a good idea to have pre-generated PDFs of those since they're rather hard-coded. [09:39] godbyk: actually, i'd like to have just "en" with A$ and "en_US" with letter, if you're ok with that [09:39] see you al later [09:40] thorwil: I'm not too picky. I just need to know which two PDFs (letter-size and A4-size) to fall back on when the translated copy doesn't exist. [09:51] godbyk: deleted that stray pdf, added en and en_US SVGs [09:52] cool. [09:52] I'll pull those and update my code. [10:03] http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2010/04/24/full-circle-podcast-5-manual-dexterity/ [10:06] Part 1 of my full circle magazine interview [10:06] I'm looking at the translations status.. when did Greek get so far ahead? [10:06] humphreybc: it's in multiple parts? how long did you carry on for? :) [10:07] 40 minutes :) [10:08] * godbyk skips ahead to humphreybc's interview to see what lies he's told [10:08] woah, Greek and German are kicking ass! [10:08] and Galician [10:08] too bad Spanish probably won't be finished... [10:09] godbyk: warning, my voice sounds a bit shit [10:09] well, I reckon it does [10:09] lol.. everyone reckons that about their own voice. [10:10] godbyk, how fast is the FCM podcast downloading for you? [10:10] it's done. [10:10] I just wgetted the ogg file. [10:10] ah okay, so not their server [10:10] it's my shitty internet [10:10] it downloaded at 945 KB/s [10:11] godbyk: what? that speed is insane!!! [10:11] i know!! [10:11] hehe, i joined right when godbyk said that [10:12] My connection can go up to 10-12 Mbps, I think. [10:12] godbyk: you lucky bugger! [10:12] i hate you [10:12] lol [10:12] and that's just the home speed. if I wanted to pay for the business speed, it'd be 30 Mbps, I think. [10:12] mine is only 1.5 Mbps [10:13] nisshh: http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2010/04/24/full-circle-podcast-5-manual-dexterity/ [10:13] ooh, downloading that right now [10:15] humphreybc: your desktop screenshot on your blog is a bit plain [10:15] pretty stock ubuntu [10:15] no it's not! [10:15] it's not stock at all! [10:15] hehe [10:16] compared to mine it is [10:16] buttons on the right, different theme, docky, no bottom panel, custom nautilus [10:16] different mouse cursor... wallpaper... icons [10:16] etc [10:16] ok ok, made your point [10:16] :) [10:17] lol [10:17] show us your desktop then [10:17] ! [10:17] ok hang on, im gonna go upload a pic to my photobucket [10:17] humphreybc, me also listening to fullcircle's podcast :) [10:18] * humphreybc is scared now [10:18] everyone listening to my damn interview [10:18] that's only part 1! haha [10:18] I think I gave them tonnes of content [10:18] they are still reading the news hehe [10:19] my jokes didn't turn out as funny as they were supposed to be... [10:19] and I do ramble a lot [10:19] :D [10:20] switched to opendns today [10:20] WOW! [10:20] hmm? [10:20] fast as hell [10:20] opendns hot dope :) [10:20] hemanth: hehe [10:21] nisshh, did u try google public dns ? [10:21] yes [10:21] was almost as fast [10:21] tiny bit slower [10:22] plus i dont trust google much [10:22] what's all this? [10:22] roger dns's are becoming more [10:22] humphreybc, http://code.google.com/speed/public-dns/ [10:23] so you change the setting on the router? [10:23] man i ramble a lot [10:23] note to self: don't ramble as much. [10:23] let the other person talk... O.o [10:23] yup, the resolve conf [10:24] nah i just edited my eth0 connection [10:24] :) [10:24] easier [10:24] both will result in the same result [10:24] probably add it to my router too [10:24] hemanth: yea [10:25] godbyk, are you listening to it now? [10:25] humphreybc: I'm listening to your interview right now, yeah. [10:26] * hemanth lol mental mongoose [10:26] (so I haven't been following this channel for the past few minutes. :-)) [10:26] * humphreybc bites nails [10:26] does my voice sound weird? [10:26] I don't think so. [10:26] nope [10:26] yay! [10:27] my dns benchmarking http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4603444&l=19e14a894e&id=630916001 [10:30] http://s1004.photobucket.com/albums/af170/nisshh/?action=view¤t=desktop-25-4-2010.png [10:30] thats my desktop as of right now [10:31] elementary! [10:31] yea [10:31] I'd use that theme IF the damn ubuntu icon wasn't changed to an e [10:31] found it on omgubuntu [10:32] humphreybc: lol, lame excuse [10:32] haha [10:32] hehe, the fcm intro is silly [10:32] I have to laugh at myself here, "Just have a little thing on the website that says... "would you like the manual?"" [10:32] YES OF COURSE ID LIKE THE MANUAL IVE COME TO THE DAMN WEBSITE [10:33] humphreybc: you realise you talk to yourself [10:33] humphreybc: we're you referring to the ubunbu.com site there, though? [10:33] godbyk, oh I might have been, yes [10:33] nisshh: yes yes, 80% of that is me actually talking too much, 20% of that is due to editing [10:33] hehe [10:34] I think Robin might have run some of my answers onto each other [10:34] so that was only the first half of your interview? there will be more in the next podcast? [10:34] godbyk, yup [10:34] what'd you think? [10:34] * hemanth mononono [10:35] not too bad. though it always makes me cringe a bit when you toss out crazy goals. :) [10:35] hahahaha [10:35] just not too bad? Way to boost my ego a couple of hours before recording the first OMG! Ubuntu! podcast [10:35] :P [10:35] lol [10:36] the OMG! one should be a bit better, more even, rather than an interview [10:36] godbyk: did you have to ruin it i havent even got to the interview yet! [10:36] nisshh: hahahaha [10:36] you shouldn't take offense. I'm one of those who marks the center bubbles in the Likert scales all the time. :) [10:36] godbyk, feedback? [10:36] meh [10:36] talk too much? mumble too much? too fast? [10:36] i was kidding [10:36] what did you think of the mic quality? [10:37] did you have to concentrate to understand any of it? Rewind because you missed something I said? [10:37] the mic quality was decent for the most part, though you might have breathed into it a few times. not sure if it was you or him or an artifact of the editing. [10:37] that would have been me [10:37] it didn't sound like you were rambling (but editing may have saved you. ;-)) [10:38] I answered the questions in a fairly large amount of detail... [10:38] I only had to rewind when I was reading stuff in this channel and stopped listening for a moment. [10:38] okay [10:38] did I talk too fast? (kiwis are famous for talking too fast) [10:38] humphreybc: you sound nervous about feedback! :) [10:38] yeah, I think the level of detail was good. not too nitty-gritty, but not fluff answers either. [10:39] nisshh: haha, no, just trying to get as much feedback as I can [10:39] * humphreybc hasn't done podcasts/radio interviews before [10:39] yea [10:39] although I did do 6 years of public speaking training [10:39] humphreybc, not as fast as Ricky Ponting the cricketer ;) [10:39] * humphreybc can act [10:40] ooohooh im up to your intervieqw [10:40] ha [10:40] exciting! [10:41] meh "i sort of took on the role of team lead..." [10:41] lol [10:41] it's the truth, isn't it? [10:41] nobody appointed me team lead, it just... happened [10:41] Galician is pronounced /gə-lĭsh'ən/, though. [10:41] yea [10:41] godbyk I know!! I kicked myself after that [10:41] I think that happens by default when you found a project. :) [10:41] I knew I pronounced it wrong the second after I said it [10:42] ah, yeah, I hate that! [10:42] and I also said "bounded around" instead of "bandied around" [10:42] d'oh [10:42] yeah, I heard that too, but wasn't sure if it was a NZ thing or not. [10:43] Now all the Galician translators are going to just walk away. :) [10:43] ha, i can always only wonder if i don't mispronounce like half the english words on the rare cases i speak it [10:43] Heck, *I* probably mispronounce half the English words! [10:44] lol [10:44] godbyk, we can just pretend it's a NZ thing [10:44] English keeps you on your toes that way. [10:44] anything I say wrong is now an NZ thing [10:44] in one case, skyping with an australian, it took minutes until i realized he was saying "name", because it did sound like "nime" to me [10:44] humphreybc: I won't tell if you don't. [10:44] hahaha [10:44] lol [10:44] thorwil, are you listening to the podcast? [10:45] humphreybc: nope :) [10:45] ah, i wanted your feedback too [10:45] :) [10:45] (the more feedback I can get, the better I'll be) [10:46] well, here i think a little less attention might actually help you ;p [10:46] humphreybc: wow, you ramble on a bit [10:46] thorwil: hahahaha [10:46] nisshh: I told you ! [10:46] hehe [10:46] I think that in all the online recordings of presentations I've given, I've had to speak very quickly due to extreme time constraints. (Most of them were 5-minute presentations on semi-technical topics.) [10:47] yeah, we were near the end of the interview and Robin was like "oh my, 30 minutes through already!" [10:47] humphreybc will be pausing after every sentence to do a self-critique during his next podcast now! [10:47] the time just flew [10:47] I think i'll get better very quickly, the OMG! podcast is weekly... [10:48] yeah, it doesn't take long to figure most of it out. [10:48] I hate listening to myself and realizing I have some phrases that I overuse. [10:49] I hate listening to myself full stop [10:49] I'll still use them, but then I mentally berate myself as soon as it leaves my mouth. [10:49] Joey's even worse, and he's got a journalism degree in broadcasting [10:49] oh yeah? [10:49] yup [10:49] well, there are phrases that can become like, really annoying, if you know what i mean [10:50] humphreybc: for your next interview you should try to pick out some important points and not elaborate tooo much [10:50] like, totally, thorwil [10:50] lol [10:50] nisshh: noted [10:50] humphreybc: now imagine you were lady gaga ... couldn't turn on radio or tv anymore and would have to be careful on youtube!! [10:50] humphreybc: have you done the Ubuntu UK podcast yet? [10:50] will help you not ramble on so much [10:50] godbyk, negative [10:51] not sure when that's happening [10:51] thorwil: hehe [10:51] thorwil: I think Lady Gaga loves herself though [10:51] ah, sleep through the interview and now they refuse to talk to you, eh? [10:51] godbyk pretty much :P [10:51] I think I killed their schedule a bit [10:51] whoops [10:51] hehe [10:52] the OMG! one will be a lot funnier than the interview [10:52] well [10:52] if i'm funny, at all [10:52] humphreybc: im part of the damn team and even i learnt a few things from the interview! [10:52] Joey and I did a test run last week when we were planning it, talked for 3 hours [10:52] humphreybc, what's the agenda, for OMG podcast? [10:53] hemanth: no idea [10:53] we're going to be talking about lubuntu [10:53] and that's pretty much all that's confirmed lol [10:53] :) [10:54] lubuntufail [10:54] lol [10:54] lol the interview is funny [10:54] http://lubuntu.net/ -> get lubuntu -> takes you to a launchpad bzr repo [10:54] lubuntu > xubuntu [10:54] popey: okay now that's fail [10:54] how is that useful to anyone? [10:54] that's not useful to anyone [10:54] the iso link is under "reporting bugs", not "download" or "get lubuntu" [10:55] it's the opposite of useful... nonuseful [10:55] wow [10:55] and the url is broken [10:55] has a space on the end [10:55] :( [10:55] double fail [10:55] this makes me sad [10:55] I think we're already beyond 'double' [10:56] heh [10:56] is there any video on howto's for quickshot? [10:56] bit cheeky puttin the iso on people.ubuntu.com [10:57] popey: ha! yeah, how much space have members got? [10:57] /bandwidth [10:57] dunno [10:57] hemanth: I'm not aware of any videos. [10:57] humphreybc: what? you didnt mentio me in the podcast! [10:57] so rude! [10:57] hahaha [10:57] godbyk, i didn't find any either [10:57] humphreybc, godbyk: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/fddac3455a98dbeffde57cd44c163543 http://www.foopics.com/showfull/c6f5e68cf890ce64ab1031400ae3a8af [10:57] * godbyk got a mention. :-P [10:57] nisshh: I did mention you actually [10:57] when? [10:57] 65% [========================> ] 350,887,727 2.19M/s eta 82s [10:57] near the end? [10:58] wheeeeeeeeeeee [10:58] nisshh: yeah, when he was rambling on about the style guide stuff. [10:58] hmmm must have missed it [10:58] the bit about a team member saying they had lots of fun [10:58] hemanth: Do you have a specific question about Quickshot or are you just looking to get started? [10:58] oh, hehe [10:58] I mis-pronounced beta, said "better" instead of "baiter" [10:58] I didn't mention your name explicitly though! [10:58] popey: show-off! [10:59] popey: what are you downloading? [10:59] godbyk, i have got started, just was asking for general information [10:59] lubuntu [10:59] humphreybc: You said 'Kevin'. I heard it, damn it! :) [10:59] testing it with testdrive [10:59] thorwil: what's with the wave thing? [10:59] like the blue wave [10:59] and where's the features list, review quotes and such? :P [11:00] humphreybc: the wave symbolizes a movement and passing on energy. the feature list doesn't make sense in that context. i have no review quotes. putting lots of stuff on the back will only make people not read it [11:00] humphreybc: I think the features list is probably not useful on the back cover, as by the time they're looking at the back cover, they have the book/PDF. (so they don't need to be convinced to buy it) [11:01] okay okay [11:01] godbyk: your right he did say "Kevin" [11:01] you'll get review quotes soon [11:01] hopefully [11:01] i like this one [11:01] http://www.foopics.com/showfull/fddac3455a98dbeffde57cd44c163543 [11:01] not too fond of the other one [11:01] I like the wave-less one better, as well. The wave just seems out of place. [11:02] yeah [11:02] * humphreybc is watching the Long Way Down [11:02] ok. there's a reason i made it an option. the safe route, then [11:03] popey: did you get my review quotes email? [11:05] humphreybc: found my mention, right at the end! [11:06] lol [11:07] shame you didnt say: nisshh was the most awesomenest author ever! [11:07] haha [11:07] humphreybc: yes [11:08] humphreybc: your interview takes up most of the podcast, hehe! [11:08] :) [11:08] and there's more in the next episode? [11:09] popey: unfortunately, yes haha [11:09] lol [11:09] big project [11:09] which is odd given he ended the interview in that ep [11:09] what can I say [11:09] yeah, not sure what's up there [11:09] "you have created a mammoth" [11:10] hemanth: a very pretty mammoth with shiny pdf pages! [11:10] nisshh, ha ha :) and it obeys us ;) [ edit, modify, share for free ] [11:11] hehe [11:11] humphreybc: i got my dad to read it last night [11:11] he said: "son, you know what?" [11:11] and i said: "what?" [11:12] and he said: [11:12] "im still not switching to ubuntu..." [11:12] hahahahja [11:13] meh, and i said: "but dad! you get a shiny pdf as well!" [11:16] brb [11:35] ooo doc team meeting today at 19:00 UTC [11:36] they'll just be discussing the change to mallard [11:38] nothing else on the agenda? [11:38] not sure, haven't looked since last week when there was nothing [11:39] hello [11:39] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DocumentationTeam/MeetingAgenda [11:39] they've got nothing on the agenda apart from the old news of screencasts team up for adoption [11:39] oo [11:39] * popey removes that [11:41] so, to summarize, nothing new from the docs team [11:45] i thought you'd add some manual stuff to it [11:46] or are you leaving that till uds? [11:48] leaving it till uds [11:48] or after [11:48] i'm still not convinced they actually want anything to do with us anyway [11:48] but that's another topic entirely [12:01] anyone got any good quickshot logo ideas? [12:08] ubuntujenkins: vish and thorwil are usually good with logos. [12:10] vish, and thorwil can you please have a think on a new logo for quickshot please. We need a new one as the current one is tied to ubuntu and we are aiming to be use able for all linux os's [12:11] ubuntujenkins: maybe. got my hands full, currently [12:11] ubuntujenkins: you might have to wait a couple of weeks till after lucid, uds, etc [12:12] thorwil, thanks, there is no rush [12:12] humphreybc, thanks fine [12:12] *thats [12:25] off to eat bye all o/ [13:00] hmm , quickshot logo.. [13:00] well , as humphreybc says UDS first! ;) [16:21] i invited few developers from Mozilla drumbeat team to ubuntu-manual :) [18:06] hello o/ [19:28] grrr, evince doesn't like the lulu cover pdf [19:31] godbyk: i've run into problems with the manual logo. because it has gradients with transparency. made a version without, using white instead of zero alpha [19:32] godbyk: this improves things somewhat, but now evince renders this bullshit: http://www.foopics.com/show/af000c701a84784e41c77a3a1e2bb8f6 [20:19] godbyk: never once had so much fun in my life before. replacing rectangles with new rectangles with the exact same dimensions improves the result, allthough the rendering is still not 100% correct [20:54] godbyk: initially looked like i solved it, but after putting it into place, i get: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/43c723efe0b1e02840ea15aff16ae4d2 [20:55] vish: are you on lucid? [20:55] thorwil: yuppo [20:59] vish: could you please get the following file and save it to PDF, to the check if the UM logo renders correctly? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Et-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/download/t_w_%40freenet.de-20100425195620-55juwncktnqggdlg/title_page_lulu.svg-20100422133929-ohjthsse0k2r1txz-1/title_page_lulu.svg [21:00] vish: where correctly is notably different from http://www.foopics.com/showfull/43c723efe0b1e02840ea15aff16ae4d2 [21:01] 2 hours lost because of this seemingly random bullshit export/rendering bug :< [21:02] thorwil: hmm , if i save to pdf the text is over the logo .. :s [21:03] vish: awesome, yet another variation of not what i see in inkscape [21:03] vish: ty [21:04] thorwil: and it seems the logo is having the same problem as the screenshot [21:04] vish: maybe i can be bothered to reduce this to something that can be filed as bug tomorrow. but it seems we have to give up on having the logo there [21:05] now i have the urge to destroy something [21:06] thorwil: the text overlap is solved by just moving the text higher... but logo is just as bad.. :s [21:08] a little more of this shit and i have to look into getting illustrator :/ [21:08] good night! 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