| artisan | hi | 08:56 |
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| artisan | anyone a hint, when rhythmbox just plays songs in a hickup style? | 08:56 |
| artisan | cpu is not under full load | 08:57 |
| artisan | rhythmbox is finished with checkin library .. | 08:57 |
| artisan | just plain playing with no other processes running, any ideas? | 08:58 |
| dcndrew | hi | 09:16 |
| dcndrew | I had some problems with the Pulseaudio vs. JACK fighting. I had to remove pulseaudio to use JACK, and after it I had to reinstall it to use other softwares, and this was not too funny. I don't have Studio, but did you get problem like me, and do you have a plan to solve it in 10.04? | 09:20 |
| SteelSide | dcndrew, you do know that you can just quit or suspend pulseaudio? | 10:57 |
| dcndrew | SteelSide, the suspend doesn't work | 10:58 |
| dcndrew | I meat the Jack use pulsesuspend, but gives back errors | 10:58 |
| dcndrew | *mean | 10:58 |
| SteelSide | well suspend it manually first then | 10:58 |
| SteelSide | when I tested studio yesterday qjackctl had no issues suspending pulseaudio for me | 10:59 |
| dcndrew | And how to quit? Because it restarts itself. | 10:59 |
| SteelSide | hmm for me it has worked to just killall pulseaudio | 11:00 |
| SteelSide | this was not on ubuntustudio thou | 11:00 |
| dcndrew | Yeah, I used killall and pkill too | 11:00 |
| SteelSide | depends on the setup i guess and what programs you run if it starts up automagically again | 11:00 |
| SteelSide | in general for my fedora machine i found that it would remain dead until I tried to start a program using audio, then it would usually but not always start up again | 11:01 |
| SteelSide | but in the meantime i could always fire up jackd first | 11:01 |
| SteelSide | and then pulseaudio couldn't start | 11:01 |
| SteelSide | hmm man pulseaudio says | 11:01 |
| SteelSide | pulseaudio -k | 11:01 |
| SteelSide | else run pasuspender qjackctl | 11:02 |
| SteelSide | it should release the hardware for jack to use | 11:02 |
| dcndrew | I used pulseaudio -k. The sound icon from the panel was gone, but came back, and the ps -A said pulseaudio is running | 11:03 |
| SteelSide | wwell did you have anything else running that wanted audio? | 11:03 |
| dcndrew | Nothing as I see | 11:03 |
| SteelSide | and pasuspender qjackctl doesn't work? | 11:04 |
| dcndrew | I'm on Ubuntu, and Jack gives back XRUN callback... | 11:06 |
| dcndrew | Error | 11:06 |
| dcndrew | And freeze. | 11:06 |
| SteelSide | hmm? | 11:07 |
| SteelSide | well I'm no expert with JACK | 11:07 |
| SteelSide | but are you running a realtime kernel? | 11:07 |
| SteelSide | else xruns (at least for me) are quite frequent | 11:07 |
| dcndrew | As I said, I'm using Ubuntu. And by the way I didn't install RT kernel. :] | 11:08 |
| SteelSide | well with no rt kernel you can expect xruns | 11:09 |
| dcndrew | But as I remember, the XRUN errors came back by simply suspending pulse | 11:10 |
| SteelSide | why jack would freeze I have no idea | 11:10 |
| SteelSide | oh yeah | 11:10 |
| SteelSide | uhm if you have jack set to realtime priority with no rt kernel, jack will crash instead | 11:10 |
| SteelSide | and it's the default setting for it | 11:10 |
| SteelSide | but if you're serious about audio work you probably want to get a realtime kernel before you continue any further | 11:11 |
| SteelSide | well at least for recordings :p | 11:11 |
| dcndrew | I'll do, and I just asked. :) | 11:11 |
| dcndrew | The Studio will come with the normal Ubuntu? | 11:12 |
| dcndrew | I mean on the same day? | 11:12 |
| SteelSide | No idea. I'm really not an ubuntu person at all, I just popped in here to ask some questions yesterday.. | 11:13 |
| dcndrew | :D | 11:13 |
| dcndrew | I see. :) | 11:13 |
| Kevin_Williams | Hello. I'm trying to run Ubuntu Studio, but it won't get paste the terminal window. How do I get to the login window? | 20:50 |
| _guitarman_ | it should get there by itself - sound slike maybe it couldn't configure your video | 20:52 |
| _guitarman_ | are you booting into an rt kernel Kevin_Williams or just regular boot | 20:52 |
| _guitarman_ | did you ever get video | 20:52 |
| Kevin_Williams | I didn't get video | 20:53 |
| Kevin_Williams | I'm trying the sudo login command, but it won't get me there | 20:53 |
| Kevin_Williams | How do I get to the video? | 21:00 |
| _guitarman_ | Kevin_Williams: there is a commmand which i cant recall that allwos you to reconfgure the video setup | 21:07 |
| _guitarman_ | dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg or something i cant recall someone in here might know | 21:07 |
| _guitarman_ | what kind of a video card do you have Kevin_Williams | 21:07 |
| Kevin_Williams | I'm actually using the iso in a virtual machine | 21:11 |
| Kevin_Williams | And the thing is, the VM won't set my username as root | 21:13 |
| holstein | Kevin_Williams: what VM? | 21:16 |
| holstein | VMware? | 21:16 |
| holstein | virtual box? | 21:16 |
| holstein | ive had decent luck with virtual box | 21:16 |
| * holstein never used VMware | 21:16 | |
| _guitarman_ | Kevin_Williams: you wouldn't want a username of root anyways | 21:20 |
| holstein | you use VMware _guitarman_ ? | 21:20 |
| _guitarman_ | i have used it... its not much different then virtualbox accept its better for server installs | 21:21 |
| holstein | AH | 21:21 |
| _guitarman_ | because it gets its own ip address instead of some weird proxied one | 21:21 |
| _guitarman_ | through the desktop | 21:21 |
| holstein | cool | 21:21 |
| _guitarman_ | it does the bridging better | 21:21 |
| holstein | i think you can do that in Vbox | 21:21 |
| _guitarman_ | yeah with hassle | 21:21 |
| _guitarman_ | vmware does it for u | 21:21 |
| holstein | OIC | 21:21 |
| holstein | i have hassled with that in the past 4sure | 21:21 |
| _guitarman_ | anyways - i am pretty sure you create a username when installing ubuntustudio | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | just log in with that | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | but it sounds like he had video probs | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | its actually easier to test a distro out in virtualbox | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | i find | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | vmware is a bit bulky | 21:22 |
| holstein | i had a hard time getting compiz in Vbox | 21:22 |
| holstein | but ive never had any trouble with X | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | oh for sure - but he's not getting any graphics at all | 21:22 |
| _guitarman_ | i haven't had good luck with 3d under virtual machines | 21:23 |
| holstein | ive never had to force VESA or anything extreme that i remember | 21:23 |
| Kevin_Williams | <holstein> VMware? | 21:23 |
| Kevin_Williams | yes | 21:23 |
| _guitarman_ | ok - i gots to eat... 2 hungry | 21:23 |
| _guitarman_ | bbl | 21:23 |
| holstein | if it were me, i would double check all the settings | 21:23 |
| holstein | in VMware | 21:23 |
| holstein | for the graphics | 21:23 |
| holstein | AND maybe get a lucid vanilla live CD | 21:24 |
| holstein | and see if graphics work with that | 21:24 |
| Kevin_Williams | Okay | 21:24 |
| holstein | look at the set-up | 21:24 |
| holstein | thats strange | 21:24 |
| Kevin_Williams | Okay | 21:25 |
| Kentrel | I hate Jack | 22:55 |
| holstein | jack dont like you much either ;) | 22:55 |
| Kentrel | Yeah | 22:56 |
| Kentrel | I'm sure of it | 22:56 |
| holstein | whats the issue Kentrel ? | 22:56 |
| Kentrel | Well, sometimes I just want to launch a music app and just play on my keyboard | 22:56 |
| Kentrel | The fastest way I've been able to do it is by running a windows app through wine and timidity together | 22:56 |
| Kentrel | That runs nice and smooth | 22:57 |
| holstein | OH | 22:57 |
| holstein | yeah, you need soundfonts or something | 22:57 |
| Kentrel | The native ubuntustudio apps require jack, which launches a bunch of different windows and requires different configuration | 22:57 |
| holstein | what about zynaddsubfx? | 22:57 |
| Kentrel | I have soundfonts - I run timidity | 22:57 |
| holstein | OH | 22:57 |
| holstein | well how about qsynth? | 22:57 |
| Kentrel | I have qsynth | 22:58 |
| holstein | you dont like to use your soundfonts with qsynth? | 22:58 |
| Kentrel | But I'm just frustrated at the number of different configurations I have to make everytime I try to run anything that requires jack | 22:58 |
| holstein | true | 22:58 |
| Kentrel | I do - its just really fiddly | 22:58 |
| holstein | have you tried a session manager? | 22:59 |
| Kentrel | Ironically, my fastest option is a script that launches timidity, then launches wine with Synthesia, a windows app | 22:59 |
| holstein | well, it it works for you, go for it | 23:00 |
| Kentrel | Yeah | 23:00 |
| Kentrel | I came on, wondering what other people's solutions were for my problem, ie. multiple drivers\windows launch that are fiddly to configure | 23:01 |
| holstein | you should join #opensourcemusicians | 23:02 |
| holstein | some awesome MIDI folk there | 23:02 |
| Kentrel | hmm, ok | 23:02 |
| holstein | i tend to just use jack and ardour | 23:02 |
| holstein | and record anolog | 23:02 |
| holstein | mayber using jamin when i mix | 23:02 |
| Kentrel | Have you managed to get any windows vsts working? | 23:03 |
| holstein | i usually dont have that many things open | 23:03 |
| holstein | and when i do, i appreciate the workflow | 23:03 |
| Kentrel | I want to try and get Kontakt working through wine - it launches okay. I just need to find my registry info again | 23:03 |
| holstein | its like having a patchbay on actual studio gear | 23:03 |
| holstein | i havnet even tried vsts | 23:04 |
| holstein | i got what i needed with LADSPA's | 23:04 |
| Kentrel | Did you install the latency kernel that rosegarden requires? | 23:04 |
| holstein | you mean a real time kernel? | 23:05 |
| holstein | linux-rt ? | 23:05 |
| holstein | i run a real-time kernel on my studio box | 23:06 |
| Kentrel | Does it affect normal usage? | 23:06 |
| holstein | hmmm | 23:07 |
| holstein | i say no | 23:07 |
| holstein | BUT i dont really do anything normal on that box | 23:07 |
| holstein | its my studio rig | 23:07 |
| holstein | i use to have issues | 23:07 |
| holstein | back at hardy or before | 23:07 |
| holstein | some devices would not be supported with the RT kernel | 23:08 |
| holstein | BUT all seems very stable these days | 23:08 |
| Kentrel | What about hardware | 23:08 |
| holstein | you mean hardware support? | 23:09 |
| Kentrel | My understanding of it was that it would draw more CPU power, even when the machine was idle | 23:09 |
| holstein | hmmm | 23:09 |
| holstein | maybe | 23:09 |
| holstein | i should A-B that | 23:09 |
| holstein | and report | 23:09 |
| holstein | when i run top with the RT kernel, nothing looks out of the ordinary | 23:10 |
| Kentrel | I remember reading something about that several months back | 23:11 |
| Kentrel | I don't mind so much, as long as it doesn't decrease the lifetime of my CPU | 23:11 |
| holstein | nah | 23:12 |
| holstein | its not going to be anything THAT extreme for sure | 23:12 |
| Kentrel | If the kernel is waking up 1000 times a second rather than 250, then surely that must affect the machine's power saving settings | 23:12 |
| holstein | and, for me, the benifits of the RT kernel make it necessayr | 23:12 |
| holstein | necessary* | 23:12 |
| holstein | i usually disable all that too | 23:13 |
| holstein | on the studio box | 23:13 |
| holstein | i dont want anything going to sleep | 23:13 |
| holstein | or thinking about going to sleep | 23:13 |
| holstein | unless i tell it to | 23:13 |
| holstein | probably a bit overkill for todays computers | 23:14 |
| Kentrel | I guess I could run the real time kernel when I'm doing music, then reboot into the normal kernel for normal faffing about on the web | 23:14 |
| holstein | that works | 23:14 |
| holstein | if you dont need the RT one | 23:14 |
| holstein | dont worry about it | 23:14 |
| holstein | if your not getting xruns | 23:14 |
| holstein | or pops or cracks | 23:14 |
| holstein | and your happy with the latency | 23:14 |
| holstein | just run with the generic one | 23:15 |
| Kentrel | If I have the two kernels in grub, am I still getting the same updates in my normal packages? | 23:17 |
| holstein | sure | 23:17 |
| holstein | and both will just update | 23:18 |
| holstein | you'll just have to notice which is default | 23:18 |
| Kentrel | Seperate updates, or the same update is compatible with both kernels? | 23:18 |
| holstein | all the packages will just update | 23:18 |
| holstein | including both kernels | 23:19 |
| holstein | SO if you got the generic one | 23:19 |
| holstein | and a newer RT one | 23:19 |
| holstein | and you take an update | 23:19 |
| holstein | that gets you a newer keneric one | 23:19 |
| holstein | then the order will more than likely change | 23:19 |
| holstein | BUT if your not hiding your grub menue | 23:19 |
| holstein | menu* | 23:20 |
| Kentrel | Hmm, confusing, but I guess it'll make sense when I actually do it | 23:20 |
| holstein | and your use to choosing the kernel at boot | 23:20 |
| holstein | it wont matter at all | 23:20 |
| holstein | is this lucid? | 23:20 |
| holstein | karmic? | 23:20 |
| holstein | !grub2 | 23:21 |
| ubottu | GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2 | 23:21 |
| holstein | you might want to look that over | 23:21 |
| holstein | if you need to change the default behavior of grub2 | 23:21 |
| Kentrel | Karmic | 23:26 |
| Kentrel | Thanks for your help | 23:26 |
| holstein | Kentrel: anytime | 23:27 |
| _guitarman_ | if you are doing updates from cmd line do you typically do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade | 23:41 |
| _guitarman_ | or safe-upgrade | 23:41 |
| holstein | _guitarman_: good call | 23:43 |
| _guitarman_ | i''ve been doing full-upgrade on my lucid | 23:48 |
| _guitarman_ | but not sure if thats right | 23:48 |
| * holstein been running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade | 23:49 | |
| holstein | in #ubuntu+1 | 23:49 |
| holstein | i saw several suggestions | 23:49 |
| _guitarman_ | yeah - see this is what im sorta annoyed with... on 1 hand you get them saying - apt-get is old - use aptitude ...then everyone is still using apt-get | 23:54 |
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