[08:56] <artisan> hi
[08:56] <artisan> anyone a hint, when rhythmbox just plays songs in a hickup style?
[08:57] <artisan> cpu is not under full load
[08:57] <artisan> rhythmbox is finished with checkin library ..
[08:58] <artisan> just plain playing with no other processes running, any ideas?
[09:16] <dcndrew> hi
[09:20] <dcndrew> I had some problems with the Pulseaudio vs. JACK fighting. I had to remove pulseaudio to use JACK, and after it I had to reinstall it to use other softwares, and this was not too funny. I don't have Studio, but did you get problem like me, and do you have a plan to solve it in 10.04?
[10:57] <SteelSide> dcndrew, you do know that you can just quit or suspend pulseaudio?
[10:58] <dcndrew> SteelSide, the suspend doesn't work
[10:58] <dcndrew> I meat the Jack use pulsesuspend, but gives back errors
[10:58] <dcndrew> *mean
[10:58] <SteelSide> well suspend it manually first then
[10:59] <SteelSide> when I tested studio yesterday qjackctl had no issues suspending pulseaudio for me
[10:59] <dcndrew> And how to quit? Because it restarts itself.
[11:00] <SteelSide> hmm for me it has worked to just killall pulseaudio
[11:00] <SteelSide> this was not on ubuntustudio thou
[11:00] <dcndrew> Yeah, I used killall and pkill too
[11:00] <SteelSide> depends on the setup i guess and what programs you run if it starts up automagically again
[11:01] <SteelSide> in general for my fedora machine i found that it would remain dead until I tried to start a program using audio, then it would usually but not always start up again
[11:01] <SteelSide> but in the meantime i could always fire up jackd first
[11:01] <SteelSide> and then pulseaudio couldn't start
[11:01] <SteelSide> hmm man pulseaudio says
[11:01] <SteelSide> pulseaudio -k
[11:02] <SteelSide> else run pasuspender qjackctl
[11:02] <SteelSide> it should release the hardware for jack to use
[11:03] <dcndrew> I used pulseaudio -k. The sound icon from the panel was gone, but came back, and the ps -A said pulseaudio is running
[11:03] <SteelSide> wwell did you have anything else running that wanted audio?
[11:03] <dcndrew> Nothing as I see
[11:04] <SteelSide> and pasuspender qjackctl doesn't work?
[11:06] <dcndrew> I'm on Ubuntu, and Jack gives back XRUN callback...
[11:06] <dcndrew> Error
[11:06] <dcndrew> And freeze.
[11:07] <SteelSide> hmm?
[11:07] <SteelSide> well I'm no expert with JACK
[11:07] <SteelSide> but are you running a realtime kernel?
[11:07] <SteelSide> else xruns (at least for me) are quite frequent
[11:08] <dcndrew> As I said, I'm using Ubuntu. And by the way I didn't install RT kernel. :]
[11:09] <SteelSide> well with no rt kernel you can expect xruns
[11:10] <dcndrew> But as I remember, the XRUN errors came back by simply suspending pulse
[11:10] <SteelSide> why jack would freeze I have no idea
[11:10] <SteelSide> oh yeah
[11:10] <SteelSide> uhm if you have jack set to realtime priority with no rt kernel, jack will crash instead
[11:10] <SteelSide> and it's the default setting for it
[11:11] <SteelSide> but if you're serious about audio work you probably want to get a realtime kernel before you continue any further
[11:11] <SteelSide> well at least for recordings :p
[11:11] <dcndrew> I'll do, and I just asked. :)
[11:12] <dcndrew> The Studio will come with the normal Ubuntu?
[11:12] <dcndrew> I mean on the same day?
[11:13] <SteelSide> No idea. I'm really not an ubuntu person at all, I just popped in here to ask some questions yesterday..
[11:13] <dcndrew> :D
[11:13] <dcndrew> I see. :)
[20:50] <Kevin_Williams> Hello. I'm trying to run Ubuntu Studio, but it won't get paste the terminal window. How do I get to the login window?
[20:52] <_guitarman_> it should get there by itself - sound slike maybe it couldn't configure your video
[20:52] <_guitarman_> are you booting into an rt kernel Kevin_Williams or just regular boot
[20:52] <_guitarman_> did you ever get video
[20:53] <Kevin_Williams> I didn't get video
[20:53] <Kevin_Williams> I'm trying the sudo login command, but it won't get me there
[21:00] <Kevin_Williams> How do I get to the video?
[21:07] <_guitarman_> Kevin_Williams: there is a commmand which i cant recall that allwos you to reconfgure the video setup
[21:07] <_guitarman_> dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg or something  i cant recall someone in here might know
[21:07] <_guitarman_> what kind of a video card do you have Kevin_Williams
[21:11] <Kevin_Williams> I'm actually using the iso in a virtual machine
[21:13] <Kevin_Williams> And the thing is, the VM won't set my username as root
[21:16] <holstein> Kevin_Williams: what VM?
[21:16] <holstein> VMware?
[21:16] <holstein> virtual box?
[21:16] <holstein> ive had decent luck with virtual box
[21:16]  * holstein never used VMware
[21:20] <_guitarman_> Kevin_Williams: you wouldn't want a username of root anyways
[21:20] <holstein> you use VMware _guitarman_ ?
[21:21] <_guitarman_> i have used it... its not much different then virtualbox accept its better for server installs
[21:21] <holstein> AH
[21:21] <_guitarman_> because it gets its own ip address instead of some weird proxied one
[21:21] <_guitarman_> through the desktop
[21:21] <holstein> cool
[21:21] <_guitarman_> it does the bridging better
[21:21] <holstein> i think you can do that in Vbox
[21:21] <_guitarman_> yeah with hassle
[21:21] <_guitarman_> vmware does it for u
[21:21] <holstein> OIC
[21:21] <holstein> i have hassled with that in the past 4sure
[21:22] <_guitarman_> anyways - i am pretty sure you create a username when installing ubuntustudio
[21:22] <_guitarman_> just log in with that
[21:22] <_guitarman_> but it sounds like he had video probs
[21:22] <_guitarman_> its actually easier to test a distro out in virtualbox
[21:22] <_guitarman_> i find
[21:22] <_guitarman_> vmware is a bit bulky
[21:22] <holstein> i had a hard time getting compiz in Vbox
[21:22] <holstein> but ive never had any trouble with X
[21:22] <_guitarman_> oh for sure - but he's not getting any graphics at all
[21:23] <_guitarman_> i haven't had good luck with 3d under virtual machines
[21:23] <holstein> ive never had to force VESA or anything extreme that i remember
 VMware?
[21:23] <Kevin_Williams> yes
[21:23] <_guitarman_> ok - i gots to eat... 2 hungry
[21:23] <_guitarman_> bbl
[21:23] <holstein> if it were me, i would double check all the settings
[21:23] <holstein> in VMware
[21:23] <holstein> for the graphics
[21:24] <holstein> AND maybe get a lucid vanilla live CD
[21:24] <holstein> and see if graphics work with that
[21:24] <Kevin_Williams> Okay
[21:24] <holstein> look at the set-up
[21:24] <holstein> thats strange
[21:25] <Kevin_Williams> Okay
[22:55] <Kentrel> I hate Jack
[22:55] <holstein> jack dont like you much either ;)
[22:56] <Kentrel> Yeah
[22:56] <Kentrel> I'm sure of it
[22:56] <holstein> whats the issue Kentrel ?
[22:56] <Kentrel> Well, sometimes I just want to launch a music app and just play on my keyboard
[22:56] <Kentrel> The fastest way I've been able to do it is by running a windows app through wine and timidity together
[22:57] <Kentrel> That runs nice and smooth
[22:57] <holstein> OH
[22:57] <holstein> yeah, you need soundfonts or something
[22:57] <Kentrel> The native ubuntustudio apps require jack, which launches a bunch of different windows and requires different configuration
[22:57] <holstein> what about zynaddsubfx?
[22:57] <Kentrel> I have soundfonts - I run timidity
[22:57] <holstein> OH
[22:57] <holstein> well how about qsynth?
[22:58] <Kentrel> I have qsynth
[22:58] <holstein> you dont like to use your soundfonts with qsynth?
[22:58] <Kentrel> But I'm just frustrated at the number of different configurations I have to make everytime I try to run anything that requires jack
[22:58] <holstein> true
[22:58] <Kentrel> I do - its just really fiddly
[22:59] <holstein> have you tried a session manager?
[22:59] <Kentrel> Ironically, my fastest option is a script that launches timidity, then launches wine with Synthesia, a windows app
[23:00] <holstein> well, it it works for you, go for it
[23:00] <Kentrel> Yeah
[23:01] <Kentrel> I came on, wondering what other people's solutions were for my problem, ie. multiple drivers\windows launch that are fiddly to configure
[23:02] <holstein> you should join #opensourcemusicians
[23:02] <holstein> some awesome MIDI folk there
[23:02] <Kentrel> hmm, ok
[23:02] <holstein> i tend to just use jack and ardour
[23:02] <holstein> and record anolog
[23:02] <holstein> mayber using jamin when i mix
[23:03] <Kentrel> Have you managed to get any windows vsts working?
[23:03] <holstein> i usually dont have that many things open
[23:03] <holstein> and when i do, i appreciate the workflow
[23:03] <Kentrel> I want to try and get Kontakt working through wine - it launches okay. I just need to find my registry info again
[23:03] <holstein> its like having a patchbay on actual studio gear
[23:04] <holstein> i havnet even tried vsts
[23:04] <holstein> i got what i needed with LADSPA's
[23:04] <Kentrel> Did you install the latency kernel that rosegarden requires?
[23:05] <holstein> you mean a real time kernel?
[23:05] <holstein> linux-rt ?
[23:06] <holstein> i run a real-time kernel on my studio box
[23:06] <Kentrel> Does it affect normal usage?
[23:07] <holstein> hmmm
[23:07] <holstein> i say no
[23:07] <holstein> BUT i dont really do anything normal on that box
[23:07] <holstein> its my studio rig
[23:07] <holstein> i use to have issues
[23:07] <holstein> back at hardy or before
[23:08] <holstein> some devices would not be supported with the RT kernel
[23:08] <holstein> BUT all seems very stable these days
[23:08] <Kentrel> What about hardware
[23:09] <holstein> you mean hardware support?
[23:09] <Kentrel> My understanding of it was that it would draw more CPU power, even when the machine was idle
[23:09] <holstein> hmmm
[23:09] <holstein> maybe
[23:09] <holstein> i should A-B that
[23:09] <holstein> and report
[23:10] <holstein> when i run top with the RT kernel, nothing looks out of the ordinary
[23:11] <Kentrel> I remember reading something about that several months back
[23:11] <Kentrel> I don't mind so much, as long as it doesn't decrease the lifetime of my CPU
[23:12] <holstein> nah
[23:12] <holstein> its not going to be anything THAT extreme for sure
[23:12] <Kentrel> If the kernel is waking up 1000 times a second rather than 250, then surely that must affect the machine's power saving settings
[23:12] <holstein> and, for me, the benifits of the RT kernel make it necessayr
[23:12] <holstein> necessary*
[23:13] <holstein> i usually disable all that too
[23:13] <holstein> on the studio box
[23:13] <holstein> i dont want anything going to sleep
[23:13] <holstein> or thinking about going to sleep
[23:13] <holstein> unless i tell it to
[23:14] <holstein> probably a bit overkill for todays computers
[23:14] <Kentrel> I guess I could run the real time kernel when I'm doing music, then reboot into the normal kernel for normal faffing about on the web
[23:14] <holstein> that works
[23:14] <holstein> if you dont need the RT one
[23:14] <holstein> dont worry about it
[23:14] <holstein> if your not getting xruns
[23:14] <holstein> or pops or cracks
[23:14] <holstein> and your happy with the latency
[23:15] <holstein> just run with the generic one
[23:17] <Kentrel> If I have the two kernels in grub, am I still getting the same updates in my normal packages?
[23:17] <holstein> sure
[23:18] <holstein> and both will just update
[23:18] <holstein> you'll just have to notice which is default
[23:18] <Kentrel> Seperate updates, or the same update is compatible with both kernels?
[23:18] <holstein> all the packages will just update
[23:19] <holstein> including both kernels
[23:19] <holstein> SO if you got the generic one
[23:19] <holstein> and a newer RT one
[23:19] <holstein> and you take an update
[23:19] <holstein> that gets you a newer keneric one
[23:19] <holstein> then the order will more than likely change
[23:19] <holstein> BUT if your not hiding your grub menue
[23:20] <holstein> menu*
[23:20] <Kentrel> Hmm, confusing, but I guess it'll make sense when I actually do it
[23:20] <holstein> and your use to choosing the kernel at boot
[23:20] <holstein> it wont matter at all
[23:20] <holstein> is this lucid?
[23:20] <holstein> karmic?
[23:21] <holstein> !grub2
[23:21] <holstein> you might want to look that over
[23:21] <holstein> if you need to change the default behavior of grub2
[23:26] <Kentrel> Karmic
[23:26] <Kentrel> Thanks for your help
[23:27] <holstein> Kentrel: anytime
[23:41] <_guitarman_> if you are doing updates from cmd line do you typically do sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[23:41] <_guitarman_> or safe-upgrade
[23:43] <holstein> _guitarman_: good call
[23:48] <_guitarman_> i''ve been doing full-upgrade on my lucid
[23:48] <_guitarman_> but not sure if thats right
[23:49]  * holstein been running sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[23:49] <holstein> in #ubuntu+1
[23:49] <holstein> i saw several suggestions
[23:54] <_guitarman_> yeah - see this is what im sorta annoyed with... on 1 hand you get them saying - apt-get is old - use aptitude ...then everyone is still using apt-get