[01:23] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm currently on this site: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4002
[01:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> what does "live session" mean?
[02:03] <KP> Having a minor problem with a Xubuntu 9.10 install.  If anyone could help I'd appreciate it.
[02:13] <KP> quit
[03:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> hello everyone
[04:26] <ForgeAus> does gnome have a purpose anymore?
[04:35] <bazhang> ForgeAus, was that a support question?
[04:35] <ForgeAus> lol bazhang...
[04:35] <bazhang> ForgeAus, not kidding
[04:35] <ForgeAus> I don't know, you tell me
[04:36] <bazhang> then, no
[04:36] <ForgeAus> its an xubuntu question that much I do know
[04:36] <bazhang> try one of the -offtopic channels
[04:36] <ForgeAus> then don't call the channel #xubuntu call it #xubuntu-support
[04:37] <ForgeAus> any question about #xubuntu should be ontopic here
[04:37] <bazhang> !offtopic
[04:37] <bazhang> hmm
[04:37] <ForgeAus> well it certainly doesn't fit my description of random chatter
[04:37] <ForgeAus> so prehaps it was a support question?
[04:38] <bazhang> ForgeAus, does gnome have a purpose is certainly not a support question. please use one of the chat channels as was asked before
[04:39] <ForgeAus> or perhaps it doesn't really fit any of those three categories properly?
[07:15] <Guest1500> can someone help me
[07:16] <Guest1500> i need some info on open ssl
[11:31] <Exile2010> hey guys
[11:32] <moetunes> hi Exile2010
[11:32] <Exile2010> anybody know if xubuntu has the same drivers as in ubuntu?
[11:32] <Exile2010> or is it cut down?
[11:32] <Exile2010> bassicly I have a machine running ubuntu fine
[11:32] <Exile2010> just a bit slow
[11:32] <Exile2010> want to know if xubuntu will work better
[11:33] <Exile2010> and if the wifi card is going to cause problems
[11:33] <moetunes> it uses the same drivers - they're all in the kernel
[11:33] <Exile2010> kool
[11:33] <Exile2010> so it should be fine then!
[11:33] <moetunes> :]
[11:33] <Exile2010> just wanted to double check
[11:33] <moetunes> should be yes
[11:35] <Exile2010> thanks man
[11:35] <Exile2010> I'll let you guys know if I have problems!
[11:36] <moetunes> k :]
[12:21] <cretsiah> im trying to use xrdp on ubuntu so i can use windows rdesktop but all i get is a blackscreen
[17:06] <Kenran> hi, I'm having some problems installing xubuntu
[17:07] <charlie-tca> What kind of problem?
[17:07] <Kenran> the built-in drive is "dead", so I'm using an external cd/dvd drive via USB and want to install it from there
[17:08] <Kenran> I managed to boot the xubuntu cd, but when I choose "Install Xubuntu", I get some error, like "no medium found on /dev/sr0" and others
[17:09] <charlie-tca> Does the cd pass the integrity check?
[17:09] <Kenran> how can I check this?
[17:10] <Kenran> (I should say, it's my first try with (x)ubuntu and I'm not used to it at all :))
[17:10] <charlie-tca> There is a menu on the cd, check this disc or something similar
[17:11] <Kenran> hum okay, I'm gonna reboot and try this, then I'll come back here, okay? :)
[17:54] <datz> hi, how can I check to see if there are any updates from the cmd line
[17:56] <charlie-tca> datz: sudo apt-get update
[17:56] <charlie-tca> sudo apt-get upgrade
[17:58] <charlie-tca> should show any changes and ask if you want to proceed. 'N' then stops it from applying the updates
[17:59] <datz> ok, thanks charlie-tca
[17:59] <charlie-tca> no problem
[18:00] <datz> was wondering if there is any command to bring up stats that are shown at times when you log on through ssh.. there are x number of security updates and x number of total
[20:03] <administrator_> hey everybody
[20:05] <administrator_> anybody here?
[20:06] <Sysi> !ask
[20:06] <administrator_> hello, anybody out there
[20:07] <charlie-tca> Do you have a question that you need help with?
[20:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> hey charlie-tca :-) my judo teacher wants me to install Linux Xubuntu on his old Laptop :-) (128 MB RAM) *g* will install on this one?
[20:32] <charlie-tca> Gonna run bad with 128MB ram
[20:35] <lontra> hi what's happening w/ xubuntu 10.04? no release notes for the rc?
[20:35] <charlie-tca> Didn't change much from beta2 notes
[20:37] <lontra> is it lighter than ubuntu and kubuntu?
[20:37] <charlie-tca> lontra: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/LucidLynx/Beta2
[20:37] <charlie-tca> yes, Xubuntu is always lighter than Ubuntu and Kubuntu
[20:38] <lontra> ok cause kubuntu is cripplingly slow
[20:39] <charlie-tca> kde requires a lot of ram to run good, if I recall.
[20:39] <lontra> i have 4 GB and a fast computer and it uses 1.5 GB doing nothing but irc and a text editor ;(
[20:40] <charlie-tca> That seems wrong
[20:40] <lontra> that's what free -m shows
[20:41] <lontra> also do you know if i installed gedit in xfce4 would that add a lot of gnome dependencies?
[20:41] <charlie-tca> It will install some, since it is gnome dependent
[20:42] <lontra> oh and is xubuntu 10.04 lts? and if not how long is it supporte?
[20:42] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu 10.04 will be supported for three years
[20:43] <lontra> so same as gnome
[20:43] <lontra> thanks
[20:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, well I'll see
[20:44] <charlie-tca> It will not run nice at all. You will need to use the alternate image for the install, too
[20:44] <charlie-tca> Desktop cd won't install in 128MB
[20:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have 491 MB ram used right now
[20:44] <Joe_Rossi> anyone in here know how to get compiz to work, i downloaded it and compiz-config-manager
[20:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, yeah
[20:45] <Joe_Rossi> and i could do it on the regular ubuntu, but now i've installed all of the required packages
[20:45] <Joe_Rossi> and it still wont work
[20:46] <Joe_Rossi> >(
[20:46] <Joe_Rossi> >:(
[20:47] <Joe_Rossi> really getting my jets roaring
[20:48] <Joe_Rossi> ):<
[20:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> or I could use DSL
[20:52] <Sachse_Siechtum> but I dont have any experience with that distro
[20:59] <charlie-tca> You might want to look at http://www.tuxradar.com/content/whats-best-lightweight-linux-distro
[20:59] <charlie-tca> It has some good info in it
[21:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, thanks :-)
[21:02] <charlie-tca> no problem
[21:02] <charlie-tca> There is also lubuntu, which is ubuntu based with lxde. It is about 30% lighter than Xubuntu for most users
[21:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[21:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> "To this end, they were tested, where possible, on an ancient Compaq laptop with 256MB RAM, Vesa graphics, a 4GB hard drive and a 200MHz Pentium processor."
[21:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> alright...so my friends laptop is "fossile" *g*
[21:06] <charlie-tca> wellll, yes!
[21:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> I cant believe he has Windows XP on it...
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Sometimes, though, increasing the processor makes up for decreasing the ram
[21:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[21:07] <charlie-tca> I got a 486, 33MHz cpu with 384MB ram running XP
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Just have to apply the right tricks for that
[21:09] <charlie-tca> The other part of the article is that 'crunchbang' rated high, but would not install in the hardware.
[21:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca,  O_O
[21:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Just take it with a bit of scepticism?
[21:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> and hardware is always tricky with laptops....excspecially old ones
[21:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> yes
[21:11] <charlie-tca> It just seemed to me to be a bit off when a disto that would not install rates higher than distros that do install
[21:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah *lol*
[21:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> Lubuntu looks interesting
[21:13] <charlie-tca> But... at least it does give a nice rundown with different options available
[21:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[21:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> slitaz looks tempting..because it also has a german language package
[21:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> since my friend is german (DUH) *g*
[21:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> woah only 25 MB!
[21:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh how I love thee, my Linux :-)
[21:20] <charlie-tca> heh, good luck
[21:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, thanks... :-) just imagine...how many different modern variants windows has... .;-)
[21:21] <charlie-tca> yeah, Nice, huh?
[21:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh I love it! :-)
[21:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, and there is also a package dvd with all the packages for slitaz... :-)
[21:25]  * Sachse_Siechtum is in geek heaven right now
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Does he have a dvd reader in that 'ancient' machine?
[21:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> nope a just cd...
[21:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> but I could connect the old laptop with lan cable with mine..
[21:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah no wlan btw too
[21:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> the first OS on that thing was Win ME ....
[21:29] <charlie-tca> ugh
[21:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, yeah. I just had ME on one computer once. I never had so many blue screens...
[21:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> agai
[21:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> again
[21:32] <charlie-tca> I know that one, too
[21:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> I read somewhere its considered as the worst windows ever built
[21:32] <Aquina> I onece installed Win98 on a 486DX with 64Mib of RAM and it took half a day to install it. :-)
[21:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> urgh
[21:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> Windows 98 was good though, for DoS games...
[21:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> DOS
[21:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> not....denial of service games LOL
[21:33] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:33] <charlie-tca> I ran DOS, myself
[21:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> me too
[21:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> real mode ftw! *g*
[21:34] <Aquina> :) I ran some MS and PC DOS and later FreeDOS which is great.
[21:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[21:34] <Aquina> It has a kernel, network and graphics support and dozens of dev-tools. Awry! :-)
[21:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[21:35] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, I consider Lubuntu and slitaz as "fossile laptop" candidates
[21:36] <charlie-tca> Great! I hear FreeDOS is a good way to go, if you got DOS stuff to use...
[22:08] <robinking623> hello, I just wanna know what about the problem with intel 8xx under kms?
[22:09] <robinking623> is this problem already solved?
[22:13] <charlie-tca> As far as I know, there is no issue with it in lucid, but I don't have any Intel video systems, either
[22:16] <robinking623> charlie-tca: so I can just stay with 904
[22:30] <charlie-tca> see you later