[02:21] <persia> If someone has a moment, could they confirm that `kdesudo -- aptitude -u install hello` pops up a dialogue properly?  (no need to enter the password or accept)
[02:34] <ScottK> persia: It does.
[02:34] <persia> Excellent.  Unfortunately my other test case (su -c) doesn't, so I have to work around it a bit more.
[02:34]  * persia kinda wishes upstreams wouldn't put (incorrect) "distro support scripts" in their software.
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> grr, chrome at my http:/
[04:35] <imbrandon> chrome dident, chromium might have , right ?
[04:36] <imbrandon> iirc chrome hasent enabled that feature yet
[04:36] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: It's almost like it's an Ayatana project.
[04:37] <JontheEchidna> s/chrome/chromium
[04:40] <imbrandon> JontheEchidna ;)
[04:41] <imbrandon> and yes i drink the google coolaid and use chrome along with most other google services ( including google apps for my site and email )
[04:41] <imbrandon> lol
[04:42] <imbrandon> basicly if google goes belly up Brandon Holtsclaw dissapears from the internet.
[04:42] <imbrandon> ( although i keep local backups of most everything )
[09:39] <Riddell> persia: kdesudo -- aptitude -u install hello is a bad aptitude command no?
[09:40] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm, logout broken you say?
[11:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Yep.  Every second logout of a non-admin user.
[11:24] <Riddell> that's random
[11:24] <Riddell> well it's not, but it's obscure
[11:30] <ScottK> It isn't at all obscure if you have multiple non-admin users of a machine.
[11:30] <ScottK> That's how I hit it, once I upgradede the kid's computer.
[11:31] <ScottK> Bug #569879 has the details.
[11:51] <Riddell> ScottK: I can't recreate the logout issue
[11:54] <Riddell> however X is now doing very strange things
[11:57] <Riddell> wibble http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/broken-x.png
[12:01] <debfx> that looks ehh intresting ;)
[12:02] <debfx> I can reproduce the logout fail but it's not limited to non-admin users
[12:02] <debfx> sometimes kdm even fails to start on boot
[12:07] <Riddell> waa
[12:12]  * apachelogger blames upstart
[12:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: kdm.log and X.log would be interesting I suppose
[12:14] <apachelogger> but I dont think that kdm is supposed to restart itself after logout, which leaves us with the options that X crashes and kdm fails to restart it (maybe gets dragged down along with X?) or some patch of ours breaks it
[12:14] <apachelogger> because IIRC logout is a rather simple process
[12:15] <apachelogger> ksmserver just kicks all apps into nirvana and returns to kdm which is then supposed to redraw it's ui
[12:15] <apachelogger> (IIRC that is)
[14:49] <debfx> kdm.log says: xf86OpenConsole: VT_WAITACTIVE failed: interrupted system call
[14:50] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm traveling today, so I'll provide logs when I can.
[14:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: starting kontact I get an akonadi error saying "no resource agents found"
[14:55] <Riddell> and Contacts is greyed out with a large red X saying "akonadi not operational"
[14:56] <maco> if you run quit and restart kontact, akonadi will be running that time, but that shouldnt be necessary
[14:58] <Riddell> ack
[14:58] <imbrandon> wow, already getting emails about kde 4.4.3 for lucid ;)
[14:59] <maco> the internet told me that. i didnt figure it out on my own. i just went :( "hrmmmmmmmph" and started grepping through the std.vcf that makes up my contact list :P
[15:03] <Riddell> imbrandon: oh?
[15:04] <maco> yeah someone asked if 4.4.3 will be SRUd
[15:05] <Riddell> depenends if I get this backports policy sorted, added to my todo list for the day
[15:05] <imbrandon> Riddell: yea sent to -devel a few minutes ago asking if we will have it in ready to test on the 29th ;)
[15:08] <Riddell> since it doesn't get tagged until the 29th, that seems a bit demanding :)
[15:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: Oo is this reproducible?
[15:09] <maco> apachelogger: yes
[15:10] <maco> apachelogger: http://www.pubbs.net/201004/ubuntu/49623-akonadi-1004.html
[15:10] <maco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/564263
[15:12] <maco> apachelogger: you've been active on that bug report
[15:13]  * apachelogger hates mysql
[15:13] <maco> and 1 minute doesn't seem /too/ unreasonable given that likely you start up kontact and a bunch of other stuff on login, right?
[15:13] <maco> takes about 5 minutes for firefox to get going and restore 100 tabs
[15:14] <ScottK> Sounds like a case for Chromium.
[15:14] <apachelogger> I hardly think firefox with 100 tabs is standard use case :P
[15:15] <apachelogger> anyhow
[15:15] <apachelogger> maco: without completes log the message is just about useless
[15:16] <apachelogger> resources agents will not be found when...
[15:16] <maco> apachelogger: i clicked the save log button once...
[15:16] <apachelogger> akonadi-server crashes
[15:16] <apachelogger> mysql crashes
[15:16] <apachelogger> no agents are around
[15:16] <apachelogger> akonadi-server fails to register
[15:16] <apachelogger> akonadi-control fails to register
[15:16] <maco> http://pastebin.com/1zqaw139
[15:16] <apachelogger> eventloop does not finish within timeout
[15:16] <apachelogger> test 4 fails
[15:17] <apachelogger> this has nothing to do with timeout
[15:17] <apachelogger> mysql is the broken
[15:17] <maco> how to unbreak?
[15:17] <apachelogger> maco: either run the mysql_update and install scripts manually (as described in the kde techbase) or wipe your akonadi setup
[15:18] <apachelogger> new setups *should* have working tables
[15:18] <maco> but upgraders are stuck?
[15:18] <apachelogger> pretty much
[15:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: I have a new setup and it has that problem
[15:18] <apachelogger> Riddell: that particular problem?
[15:18] <apachelogger> s/particular/exact
[15:19] <maco> Riddell: same error log as me?
[15:19] <apachelogger> as stated above, non-registered agents can have loads of causes
[15:19] <maco> apachelogger: where in giant techbase?
[15:19] <apachelogger> kubotu: google akonadi techbase error
[15:19] <kubotu> Results for akonadi techbase error: 1. Projects/PIM/Akonadi - KDE TechBase: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi | 2. Development/Tutorials/Akonadi/Resources - KDE TechBase: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Akonadi/Resources | 3. Akonadi Error! - openSUSE Forums: http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/406456-akonadi-error.html
[15:20] <Riddell> maco: where is the log?
[15:21] <maco> Riddell:   http://pastebin.com/1zqaw139
[15:21] <Riddell> maco: but where do I find it?
[15:21] <maco> Riddell: the popup error box you got when you starte kontact should have offered to let you save it
[15:21] <apachelogger> oh
[15:21] <apachelogger> maco: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting
[15:21] <apachelogger> userbase after all ^^
[15:23] <Riddell> i do have this http://pastebin.com/h8YpAShS in .local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error "Unable to register service as org.freedesktop.Akonadi.Control Maybe it's already running?"
[15:27] <apachelogger> Riddell: that is on a new install?
[15:30] <Riddell> apachelogger: new last week yes, new $HOME directory
[15:31] <apachelogger> that is not good
[15:31] <apachelogger> Riddell: is akonadicontrol really not started already?
[15:31] <apachelogger> if not, please try getting a backtrace
[15:31]  * apachelogger should be home in 1.5 h or so
[15:35] <maco> apachelogger: mine works now thanks
[15:35] <Riddell> akonadicontrol is fine and I can use akonadi after starting kontact for the second time
[15:35] <Riddell> http://pastebin.com/kf707jYd is the error log
[15:36] <apachelogger> InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11
[15:36] <apachelogger> Riddell: is that log from first or second start?
[15:37] <Riddell> apachelogger: it's from third start after I stopped akonadi through akonaditray so I could click the details button in address book
[15:37] <apachelogger> hm
[15:38] <apachelogger> hmmmmm
[15:38] <apachelogger> Riddell: could you please get a log from each start
[15:38]  * apachelogger finds that rather odd
[15:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: how do I get a log?  if it's running I don't get the "Details" link on the addressbook error message
[15:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: akonaditray
[15:55] <apachelogger> or via the akonadi kcm
[15:56] <apachelogger> in the kcm you have a test button
[15:56] <shadeslayer> shtylman: um sorry.. bad tab complete
[15:57] <shtylman> no probs
[16:05] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/zcTzJhRQ first time unsuccessful
[16:05] <Riddell> http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/zcTzJhRQ  second time successful
[16:12] <Trouble> Does anyone know why, now I've upgraded my Karmic notebook to Lucid I no longer have any window decoration? I'm sure I had this problem before, but can't remember how I fixed it. I've already started with a new .kde directory.
[16:13] <Riddell> are you running Kubuntu netbook?
[16:13] <Trouble> Yea yea
[16:14] <Trouble> Sorry, should have said netbook rather than notebook :-p
[16:14] <shadeslayer> Trouble: try : alt+f2 and type : kwin --replace
[16:14] <shadeslayer> ( if theres a alt+F2 in the netbook :P )
[16:16] <Trouble> Yea there is... Alt + Fn + S ;-) It's a Dell Inspiron Mini 9
[16:16] <Trouble> But kwin --replace doesn't fix the problem
[16:18] <Trouble> I'm sure I had this before - perhaps when I installed Jaunty (lol I should have said Jaunty rather than Karmic!), or perhaps when I upgraded KDE to 4.4
[16:18] <Riddell> Trouble: that's deliberate, netbook is intended not to have window borders
[16:19] <Trouble> Oh lol
[16:19] <Trouble> Makes sense ;-)
[16:19] <Trouble> Thank you!
[16:19]  * Trouble slaps his forehead
[16:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: well
[16:40] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have mysqld-akonadi BEFORE doing anything akonadiish?
[16:41] <Riddell> let me chekc
[16:41] <^No_MeRcY^> sera
[16:42] <Trouble> Riddell: If I wanted the window decoration back in netbook, how could I make it so? I quite miss the minimise and close buttons :)
[16:42] <apachelogger> Riddell: my theory is that at some point your desktop crashed or mysqld-akonadi did just not terminate properly, leaving the log file locks in place, now at eveyr startup mysqld goes mad about that, but eventually starts
[16:43] <apachelogger> hence akonadi does funny things because of mysql's failure
[16:43] <Riddell> apachelogger: new login has akonaditray and mysqld-akonadi running
[16:43] <apachelogger> Riddell: no akonadi*?
[16:43] <apachelogger> akonadiserver, akonadicontrol etc.
[16:44] <Riddell> apachelogger: no akonadi*
[16:44] <apachelogger> :(
[16:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: mind getting a self-test of that?
[16:45] <Riddell> apachelogger: from the kcm?
[16:45] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:50] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/EPh8ti4M
[16:51] <apachelogger> hmmmm
[16:51] <apachelogger> that is not good
[16:51] <apachelogger> Riddell: do you have any sensitive data in akonadi or can you ship me your data?
[16:51] <Riddell> not that I know of
[16:51] <Riddell> how do I do that?
[16:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: tar .config/akonadi/ and .local/share/akonadi/
[16:54] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/akonadi2.tar.gz http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/akonadi.tar.gz
[17:00] <apachelogger> works just fine here -.-
[17:01] <Trouble> Oh I see how netbook works now. Windows are forced as maximized - but there is a minimise/maximise button (and close button) on the bar ;-)
[17:01] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[17:02] <apachelogger> kubotu: ping
[17:02] <kubotu> pong
[17:02] <apachelogger> strange
[17:03] <Riddell> apachelogger: I'll do a fresh install in a bit so I'll check how that works
[17:03] <apachelogger> Riddell: should be working there ;)
[17:03] <apachelogger> there is something off with the locking
[17:03] <apachelogger> I suppose that it is related to your akonadicontrol crashing
[17:03] <apachelogger> which really shouldnt happen
[17:05]  * apachelogger doesnt really know how a innodb log file gets locked though
[17:05] <apachelogger> lsof doesnt help either
[17:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: I guess we could still switch the setup to psql? ;)
[17:06] <apachelogger> oh, hold on, that only works if we add magic for per-user access
[17:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: new website featured user?  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/A0wcmXy2
[17:07] <Riddell> this is a very cool use of Kubuntu, they sell music keyboards using Kubuntu  http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/A0wcmXy2
[17:19] <Riddell> ryanakca, ofirk: seems like we won't get the new theme installed for release I'm afraid
[17:19] <Riddell> we can put a big splash on the front page for release with the current theme
[17:20] <ofirk> when it will be ready?
[17:20] <Riddell> and make sure they get it sorted as soon as possible after
[17:20] <Riddell> ofirk: early next week
[17:20] <ofirk> ok
[17:21] <ofirk> I can make the big splash
[17:21] <Riddell> go for it
[17:21] <ofirk> it should fit into the top banner, right?
[17:24] <Riddell> ofirk: actually i think replacing the main content would be best
[17:26] <ofirk> Riddell: so I will make something that will replace the text from "Kubuntu: Friendly Computing" to the bottom
[17:26] <ofirk> Riddell: with download button
[17:26] <Riddell> so just replace the intro and user profiles on release day until the new theme is up with a big 10.04 banner/release info
[17:26] <ofirk> yep :)
[17:27] <ofirk> I will get to it today
[17:28] <Riddell> you rock
[17:46] <nixternal> since when is kwallet storing svn passwords? it is foobarring my svn stuff
[17:52] <apachelogger> nixternal: it only does if you got kdesvn installed
[17:55] <Riddell> nixternal!
[17:55] <Riddell> nixternal: docs?!
[17:56] <nixternal> there doesn't seem to be enough translated really to warrent us to even do a new docs package right now
[17:57] <nixternal> there are like 2 or 3 languages that are close...so i still might push something tonight just for them
[17:57] <nixternal> FR and DE
[17:58] <Riddell> tonight is probably too late for CDs
[17:58] <Riddell> so do it as SRU
[17:58] <nixternal> yeah, I think ScottK already mentioned that...and I think it will be best since the doc team come up with a schedule for SRUs
[17:59] <nixternal> when we do the release, lets make sure we add "Docs aren't translated yet...will be soon"
[18:02] <dpm> Riddell, nixternal, docs are really hard to translate, so not even in GNOME or KDE you get them to the level that apps are translated. It took our team about 2 years to finish the Catalan ubuntu-docs translation, but we (and our users) still appreciated our partiartially translated documentation. Looking at https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/kubuntu-docs-about-desktop, that particular template for example ha
[18:02] <dpm> s been translated to 20 odd langs, so I think even though other templates might not be that well translated, that enough warrants an export and upload
[18:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: did we settle on a slot for the plasma scripting session already?
[18:06] <Riddell> apachelogger: 16:00 tomorrow we're thinking
[18:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: thanks
[18:07] <lex79> utc?
[18:07] <Riddell> yes
[18:08] <lex79> k
[18:15] <Riddell> freeflying: did you get a chance to test the ARM kubuntu netbook images?
[18:21] <debfx> why would kdm start X on vt8? :/
[19:32] <neversfelde> ScottK: I think I can mark my logout bug as a duplicate of bug 569879?
[19:40] <apachelogger> Sput: will there ever be dcc file transfer support in quassel?
[19:40] <Sput> apachelogger: possibly
[19:40] <Sput> if someone comes up with a design that makes sense in a distributed setting, and implements it
[19:41] <Sput> (note that one would also have to solve the problem of sending, say, a few hundred MB via the core/client connection without having normal operations suffer)
[19:42] <apachelogger> do people really send that large crap?
[19:42] <neversfelde> do people really use dcc?
[19:43] <apachelogger> I only know one at this point
[19:43] <apachelogger> then again most of the people I interact with via irc are unicorns anyway and wouldnt know how to operate the dcc ^^
[19:44] <neversfelde> hehe
[19:44] <Sput> most people still using IRC nowadays, other than FOSS people and gamers, are downloading movies
[19:44] <Sput> I mean, EFnet is all about warez
[19:44]  * apachelogger finds that rather odd TBH
[19:45] <Sput> I'm told that back in the day, people would enqueue themselves in bots which would then DCC over the stuff automatically once it was your turn
[19:45] <Sput> well, this was before torrents were invented :)
[19:56] <apachelogger> Congratulations! Your proposal "Ubuntu One for the KDE workspace" as
[19:56] <apachelogger> submitted to "Ubuntu" has been accepted for Google Summer of Code 2010.
[19:56] <apachelogger> weeeeh
[19:56]  * apachelogger hugs everyone
[19:58] <Riddell> ooh hugs
[20:00]  * bulldog98 hugs every cool Kubuntu Dev
[20:07]  * Tscheesy hugs the team too
[20:27]  * mcas hugs the devs
[20:27]  * Blizzz hugs the devs, the bots and the channel too
[20:28] <JontheEchidna> GSoC app didn't get accepted. There's always next year though. :)
[20:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: yeah sucks :(  ubuntu didn't get many places and you were one away from being accepted
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> oh? one away? That makes me feel a bit better :)
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> Did Kubuntu get any love this year?
[20:38] <bulldog98> yes apachelogger got the GSoC for the Kubuntu One Client
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: gratz
[20:40] <JontheEchidna> I actually have a use for the Ubuntu One service, and perhaps would use it more if there was a KDE frontend
[20:41] <JontheEchidna> Well, had until today. (The last day of English class! Woo!) But I'm sure similar situations will arise in the future
[20:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: u1 makes so much more sense from a whole data sync POV
[20:53] <apachelogger> like have your laptop and workstation in sync regarding data and bookmarks and addressbook ...
[20:53] <apparle> hi guys....
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> basically I need a way to sync my laptop files with some third point that I can access from the school print computers
[20:55] <maco> JontheEchidna: he doesnt even just mean that you were next in line (though you were), he means you were literally 1 point off
[20:57] <neversfelde> :(
[20:57] <JontheEchidna> oh wow
[20:58] <JontheEchidna> time to go home, bbl
[20:59] <maco> um any of you notice that the last few weeks lucid doesnt suspend on low battery?
[21:00] <maco> mine keeps just turning off instead of suspending. really annoying
[21:00] <jjesse> my netbook does the same thing
[21:03] <neversfelde> I discovered no problems here
[21:05] <neversfelde> cool, EAD wird deutsch reden
[21:22] <apparle> IS there any good PC suite for Nokia symbian phones
[21:41] <JontheEchidna> Re: suspending, I haven't had any troubles with it
[21:59] <Mamarok> neversfelde: I don't think this xander guy really has a problem... he is trying to make this up
[22:06] <neversfelde> Mamarok: +1, I*ll kick him
[22:10] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: ping
[22:19] <ryanakca> Riddell: Bummer regarding the theme
[22:19] <ryanakca> ofirk: Great, thanks :)
[22:22] <ofirk> ryanakca: I came up with some banner for the current frontpage
[22:23] <ofirk> ryanakca: I am not satisfied with it, but I don't have more time... :(
[22:23] <ryanakca> :(
[22:23] <ryanakca> ofirk: Do what you can and I'm sure it will be excellent, just like all of your other work so far.
[22:24] <ofirk> ryanakca: ok. I will send it to you (or to Riddell?) later.
[22:27] <Riddell> both of us probably best
[23:00] <ofirk> ryanakca, Riddell: I sent it to both of you
[23:03] <Riddell> bling! http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/temp-banner.png
[23:03] <Riddell> ofirk: oh it needs to say "10.04 LTS" else the marketing department will eat me
[23:04] <ofirk> Riddell: working on it ;)
[23:09] <ofirk> Riddell: walla! http://imagebin.ca/view/pNx32p.html
[23:10] <Riddell> ofirk: mercy buckets!
[23:11] <ofirk> Riddell: you welcome :)
[23:45] <freeflying> Riddell: sorry, not yet, all my sd cards being broken, didn't get a chance to buy new one
[23:50] <claydoh> Mamarok: really late pong