[02:21] If someone has a moment, could they confirm that `kdesudo -- aptitude -u install hello` pops up a dialogue properly? (no need to enter the password or accept) === clay_doh is now known as claydoh [02:34] persia: It does. [02:34] Excellent. Unfortunately my other test case (su -c) doesn't, so I have to work around it a bit more. [02:34] * persia kinda wishes upstreams wouldn't put (incorrect) "distro support scripts" in their software. [04:34] grr, chrome at my http:/ [04:35] chrome dident, chromium might have , right ? [04:36] iirc chrome hasent enabled that feature yet [04:36] JontheEchidna: It's almost like it's an Ayatana project. [04:37] s/chrome/chromium [04:40] JontheEchidna ;) [04:41] and yes i drink the google coolaid and use chrome along with most other google services ( including google apps for my site and email ) [04:41] lol [04:42] basicly if google goes belly up Brandon Holtsclaw dissapears from the internet. [04:42] ( although i keep local backups of most everything ) [09:39] persia: kdesudo -- aptitude -u install hello is a bad aptitude command no? [09:40] ScottK: hmm, logout broken you say? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [11:23] Riddell: Yep. Every second logout of a non-admin user. [11:24] that's random [11:24] well it's not, but it's obscure [11:30] It isn't at all obscure if you have multiple non-admin users of a machine. [11:30] That's how I hit it, once I upgradede the kid's computer. [11:31] Bug #569879 has the details. [11:31] Launchpad bug 569879 in kdebase-workspace "Non-admin user logout fails on Lucid" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569879 === michaelk is now known as Guest91712 [11:51] ScottK: I can't recreate the logout issue [11:54] however X is now doing very strange things [11:57] wibble http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/broken-x.png [12:01] that looks ehh intresting ;) [12:02] I can reproduce the logout fail but it's not limited to non-admin users [12:02] sometimes kdm even fails to start on boot [12:07] waa [12:12] * apachelogger blames upstart [12:13] ScottK: kdm.log and X.log would be interesting I suppose [12:14] but I dont think that kdm is supposed to restart itself after logout, which leaves us with the options that X crashes and kdm fails to restart it (maybe gets dragged down along with X?) or some patch of ours breaks it [12:14] because IIRC logout is a rather simple process [12:15] ksmserver just kicks all apps into nirvana and returns to kdm which is then supposed to redraw it's ui [12:15] (IIRC that is) === shadesla1er is now known as shadeslayer [14:49] kdm.log says: xf86OpenConsole: VT_WAITACTIVE failed: interrupted system call [14:50] apachelogger: I'm traveling today, so I'll provide logs when I can. [14:55] apachelogger: starting kontact I get an akonadi error saying "no resource agents found" [14:55] and Contacts is greyed out with a large red X saying "akonadi not operational" [14:56] if you run quit and restart kontact, akonadi will be running that time, but that shouldnt be necessary [14:58] ack [14:58] wow, already getting emails about kde 4.4.3 for lucid ;) [14:59] the internet told me that. i didnt figure it out on my own. i just went :( "hrmmmmmmmph" and started grepping through the std.vcf that makes up my contact list :P [15:03] imbrandon: oh? [15:04] yeah someone asked if 4.4.3 will be SRUd [15:05] depenends if I get this backports policy sorted, added to my todo list for the day [15:05] Riddell: yea sent to -devel a few minutes ago asking if we will have it in ready to test on the 29th ;) [15:08] since it doesn't get tagged until the 29th, that seems a bit demanding :) [15:08] Riddell: Oo is this reproducible? [15:09] apachelogger: yes [15:10] apachelogger: http://www.pubbs.net/201004/ubuntu/49623-akonadi-1004.html [15:10] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/akonadi/+bug/564263 [15:10] Ubuntu bug 564263 in akonadi ""No resource agents found" error when starting for the first time" [Undecided,Confirmed] [15:12] apachelogger: you've been active on that bug report [15:13] * apachelogger hates mysql [15:13] and 1 minute doesn't seem /too/ unreasonable given that likely you start up kontact and a bunch of other stuff on login, right? [15:13] takes about 5 minutes for firefox to get going and restore 100 tabs [15:14] Sounds like a case for Chromium. [15:14] I hardly think firefox with 100 tabs is standard use case :P [15:15] anyhow [15:15] maco: without completes log the message is just about useless [15:16] resources agents will not be found when... [15:16] apachelogger: i clicked the save log button once... [15:16] akonadi-server crashes [15:16] mysql crashes [15:16] no agents are around [15:16] akonadi-server fails to register [15:16] akonadi-control fails to register [15:16] http://pastebin.com/1zqaw139 [15:16] eventloop does not finish within timeout === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:16] test 4 fails [15:17] this has nothing to do with timeout [15:17] mysql is the broken [15:17] how to unbreak? [15:17] maco: either run the mysql_update and install scripts manually (as described in the kde techbase) or wipe your akonadi setup [15:18] new setups *should* have working tables [15:18] but upgraders are stuck? [15:18] pretty much [15:18] apachelogger: I have a new setup and it has that problem [15:18] Riddell: that particular problem? [15:18] s/particular/exact [15:19] Riddell: same error log as me? [15:19] as stated above, non-registered agents can have loads of causes [15:19] apachelogger: where in giant techbase? [15:19] kubotu: google akonadi techbase error [15:19] Results for akonadi techbase error: 1. Projects/PIM/Akonadi - KDE TechBase: http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/PIM/Akonadi | 2. Development/Tutorials/Akonadi/Resources - KDE TechBase: http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Akonadi/Resources | 3. Akonadi Error! - openSUSE Forums: http://forums.opensuse.org/applications/406456-akonadi-error.html [15:20] maco: where is the log? [15:21] Riddell: http://pastebin.com/1zqaw139 [15:21] maco: but where do I find it? [15:21] Riddell: the popup error box you got when you starte kontact should have offered to let you save it [15:21] oh [15:21] maco: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting [15:21] userbase after all ^^ [15:23] i do have this http://pastebin.com/h8YpAShS in .local/share/akonadi/akonadi_control.error "Unable to register service as org.freedesktop.Akonadi.Control Maybe it's already running?" [15:27] Riddell: that is on a new install? [15:30] apachelogger: new last week yes, new $HOME directory [15:31] that is not good [15:31] Riddell: is akonadicontrol really not started already? [15:31] if not, please try getting a backtrace [15:31] * apachelogger should be home in 1.5 h or so [15:35] apachelogger: mine works now thanks [15:35] akonadicontrol is fine and I can use akonadi after starting kontact for the second time [15:35] http://pastebin.com/kf707jYd is the error log [15:36] InnoDB: Unable to lock ./ibdata1, error: 11 [15:36] Riddell: is that log from first or second start? [15:37] apachelogger: it's from third start after I stopped akonadi through akonaditray so I could click the details button in address book [15:37] hm [15:38] hmmmmm [15:38] Riddell: could you please get a log from each start [15:38] * apachelogger finds that rather odd [15:47] apachelogger: how do I get a log? if it's running I don't get the "Details" link on the addressbook error message [15:55] Riddell: akonaditray [15:55] or via the akonadi kcm [15:56] in the kcm you have a test button [15:56] shtylman: um sorry.. bad tab complete [15:57] no probs [16:05] apachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/zcTzJhRQ first time unsuccessful [16:05] http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/zcTzJhRQ second time successful [16:12] Does anyone know why, now I've upgraded my Karmic notebook to Lucid I no longer have any window decoration? I'm sure I had this problem before, but can't remember how I fixed it. I've already started with a new .kde directory. [16:13] are you running Kubuntu netbook? [16:13] Yea yea [16:14] Sorry, should have said netbook rather than notebook :-p [16:14] Trouble: try : alt+f2 and type : kwin --replace [16:14] ( if theres a alt+F2 in the netbook :P ) [16:16] Yea there is... Alt + Fn + S ;-) It's a Dell Inspiron Mini 9 [16:16] But kwin --replace doesn't fix the problem [16:18] I'm sure I had this before - perhaps when I installed Jaunty (lol I should have said Jaunty rather than Karmic!), or perhaps when I upgraded KDE to 4.4 [16:18] Trouble: that's deliberate, netbook is intended not to have window borders [16:19] Oh lol [16:19] Makes sense ;-) [16:19] Thank you! [16:19] * Trouble slaps his forehead === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ [16:40] Riddell: well [16:40] Riddell: do you have mysqld-akonadi BEFORE doing anything akonadiish? [16:41] let me chekc [16:41] <^No_MeRcY^> sera [16:42] Riddell: If I wanted the window decoration back in netbook, how could I make it so? I quite miss the minimise and close buttons :) [16:42] Riddell: my theory is that at some point your desktop crashed or mysqld-akonadi did just not terminate properly, leaving the log file locks in place, now at eveyr startup mysqld goes mad about that, but eventually starts [16:43] hence akonadi does funny things because of mysql's failure [16:43] apachelogger: new login has akonaditray and mysqld-akonadi running [16:43] Riddell: no akonadi*? [16:43] akonadiserver, akonadicontrol etc. [16:44] apachelogger: no akonadi* [16:44] :( [16:44] Riddell: mind getting a self-test of that? [16:45] apachelogger: from the kcm? [16:45] yeah [16:50] apachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/EPh8ti4M [16:51] hmmmm [16:51] that is not good [16:51] Riddell: do you have any sensitive data in akonadi or can you ship me your data? [16:51] not that I know of [16:51] how do I do that? [16:52] Riddell: tar .config/akonadi/ and .local/share/akonadi/ [16:54] apachelogger: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/akonadi2.tar.gz http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/akonadi.tar.gz === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:00] works just fine here -.- [17:01] Oh I see how netbook works now. Windows are forced as maximized - but there is a minimise/maximise button (and close button) on the bar ;-) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:01] kubotu: np [17:02] kubotu: ping [17:02] pong [17:02] strange [17:03] apachelogger: I'll do a fresh install in a bit so I'll check how that works [17:03] Riddell: should be working there ;) [17:03] there is something off with the locking [17:03] I suppose that it is related to your akonadicontrol crashing [17:03] which really shouldnt happen [17:05] * apachelogger doesnt really know how a innodb log file gets locked though [17:05] lsof doesnt help either [17:06] Riddell: I guess we could still switch the setup to psql? ;) [17:06] oh, hold on, that only works if we add magic for per-user access [17:07] ryanakca: new website featured user? http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/A0wcmXy2 [17:07] this is a very cool use of Kubuntu, they sell music keyboards using Kubuntu http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/A0wcmXy2 [17:19] ryanakca, ofirk: seems like we won't get the new theme installed for release I'm afraid [17:19] we can put a big splash on the front page for release with the current theme [17:20] when it will be ready? [17:20] and make sure they get it sorted as soon as possible after [17:20] ofirk: early next week [17:20] ok [17:21] I can make the big splash [17:21] go for it [17:21] it should fit into the top banner, right? [17:24] ofirk: actually i think replacing the main content would be best [17:26] Riddell: so I will make something that will replace the text from "Kubuntu: Friendly Computing" to the bottom [17:26] Riddell: with download button [17:26] so just replace the intro and user profiles on release day until the new theme is up with a big 10.04 banner/release info [17:26] yep :) [17:27] I will get to it today [17:28] you rock === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [17:46] since when is kwallet storing svn passwords? it is foobarring my svn stuff [17:52] nixternal: it only does if you got kdesvn installed [17:55] nixternal! [17:55] nixternal: docs?! [17:56] there doesn't seem to be enough translated really to warrent us to even do a new docs package right now [17:57] there are like 2 or 3 languages that are close...so i still might push something tonight just for them [17:57] FR and DE [17:58] tonight is probably too late for CDs [17:58] so do it as SRU [17:58] yeah, I think ScottK already mentioned that...and I think it will be best since the doc team come up with a schedule for SRUs [17:59] when we do the release, lets make sure we add "Docs aren't translated yet...will be soon" [18:02] Riddell, nixternal, docs are really hard to translate, so not even in GNOME or KDE you get them to the level that apps are translated. It took our team about 2 years to finish the Catalan ubuntu-docs translation, but we (and our users) still appreciated our partiartially translated documentation. Looking at https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/kubuntu-docs/+pots/kubuntu-docs-about-desktop, that particular template for example ha [18:02] s been translated to 20 odd langs, so I think even though other templates might not be that well translated, that enough warrants an export and upload [18:05] Riddell: did we settle on a slot for the plasma scripting session already? [18:06] apachelogger: 16:00 tomorrow we're thinking [18:06] Riddell: thanks [18:07] utc? [18:07] yes [18:08] k [18:15] freeflying: did you get a chance to test the ARM kubuntu netbook images? === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:21] why would kdm start X on vt8? :/ [19:32] ScottK: I think I can mark my logout bug as a duplicate of bug 569879? [19:32] Launchpad bug 569879 in kdebase-workspace "Non-admin user logout fails on Lucid" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/569879 [19:40] Sput: will there ever be dcc file transfer support in quassel? [19:40] apachelogger: possibly [19:40] if someone comes up with a design that makes sense in a distributed setting, and implements it [19:41] (note that one would also have to solve the problem of sending, say, a few hundred MB via the core/client connection without having normal operations suffer) [19:42] do people really send that large crap? [19:42] do people really use dcc? [19:43] I only know one at this point [19:43] then again most of the people I interact with via irc are unicorns anyway and wouldnt know how to operate the dcc ^^ [19:44] hehe [19:44] most people still using IRC nowadays, other than FOSS people and gamers, are downloading movies [19:44] I mean, EFnet is all about warez [19:44] * apachelogger finds that rather odd TBH [19:45] I'm told that back in the day, people would enqueue themselves in bots which would then DCC over the stuff automatically once it was your turn [19:45] well, this was before torrents were invented :) [19:56] Congratulations! Your proposal "Ubuntu One for the KDE workspace" as [19:56] submitted to "Ubuntu" has been accepted for Google Summer of Code 2010. [19:56] weeeeh [19:56] * apachelogger hugs everyone [19:58] ooh hugs [20:00] * bulldog98 hugs every cool Kubuntu Dev [20:07] * Tscheesy hugs the team too [20:27] * mcas hugs the devs [20:27] * Blizzz hugs the devs, the bots and the channel too [20:28] GSoC app didn't get accepted. There's always next year though. :) [20:36] JontheEchidna: yeah sucks :( ubuntu didn't get many places and you were one away from being accepted [20:37] oh? one away? That makes me feel a bit better :) [20:37] Did Kubuntu get any love this year? [20:38] yes apachelogger got the GSoC for the Kubuntu One Client [20:38] apachelogger: gratz [20:40] I actually have a use for the Ubuntu One service, and perhaps would use it more if there was a KDE frontend [20:41] Well, had until today. (The last day of English class! Woo!) But I'm sure similar situations will arise in the future [20:52] JontheEchidna: u1 makes so much more sense from a whole data sync POV [20:53] like have your laptop and workstation in sync regarding data and bookmarks and addressbook ... [20:53] hi guys.... [20:53] basically I need a way to sync my laptop files with some third point that I can access from the school print computers [20:55] JontheEchidna: he doesnt even just mean that you were next in line (though you were), he means you were literally 1 point off [20:57] :( [20:57] oh wow [20:58] time to go home, bbl [20:59] um any of you notice that the last few weeks lucid doesnt suspend on low battery? [21:00] mine keeps just turning off instead of suspending. really annoying [21:00] my netbook does the same thing [21:03] I discovered no problems here [21:05] cool, EAD wird deutsch reden [21:22] IS there any good PC suite for Nokia symbian phones [21:41] Re: suspending, I haven't had any troubles with it === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [21:59] neversfelde: I don't think this xander guy really has a problem... he is trying to make this up === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [22:06] Mamarok: +1, I*ll kick him [22:10] DarkwingDuck: ping [22:19] Riddell: Bummer regarding the theme [22:19] ofirk: Great, thanks :) [22:22] ryanakca: I came up with some banner for the current frontpage [22:23] ryanakca: I am not satisfied with it, but I don't have more time... :( [22:23] :( [22:23] ofirk: Do what you can and I'm sure it will be excellent, just like all of your other work so far. [22:24] ryanakca: ok. I will send it to you (or to Riddell?) later. [22:27] both of us probably best [23:00] ryanakca, Riddell: I sent it to both of you [23:03] bling! http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/temp-banner.png [23:03] ofirk: oh it needs to say "10.04 LTS" else the marketing department will eat me [23:04] Riddell: working on it ;) [23:09] Riddell: walla! http://imagebin.ca/view/pNx32p.html [23:10] ofirk: mercy buckets! [23:11] Riddell: you welcome :) [23:45] Riddell: sorry, not yet, all my sd cards being broken, didn't get a chance to buy new one [23:50] Mamarok: really late pong