[00:00] <red2kic> Salo: Lucky you. :3
[00:20] <thisguykills> can someone help me
[00:20] <thisguykills> I just installed ubuntu 10.4 on a netbook
[00:20] <thisguykills> when I enabled the wireless driver in the test mode, the wireless worked fine
[00:21] <thisguykills> but now it doesn't show any networks when I enable the driver
[00:21] <Ken8521> thisguykills, did you restart?
[00:21] <thisguykills> yeah
[00:21] <Jake2|cfl> mine either on an hp zv5220us
[00:21] <Ken8521> system up to date?
[00:21] <thisguykills> yes
[00:21] <Ken8521> what wireless device?
[00:21] <thisguykills> I tried installing another driver from /pool/restricted/b/
[00:22] <Ken8521> what led you to try doing that?
[00:22] <Jake2|cfl> 2 of us here... my driver b43 broadcom
[00:22] <thisguykills> the post in this thread I made
[00:22] <thisguykills> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1462475
[00:23] <thisguykills> blah is there any way I can uninstall what he told me to?
[00:23] <thisguykills> the driver?
[00:24] <Jake2|cfl> same problem, but I am just watching y'all's conversation so as to not confuse with 2 at same time
[00:25] <Ken8521> http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhkq5635_11f3hjxdp6
[00:25] <thisguykills> yeah so in that thread it says i didnt have internet, but since then i've gotten a wired connection
[00:26] <Ken8521> thisguykills, is that what you tried?
[00:26] <thisguykills> no i tried what the guy told me to
[00:26] <thisguykills> I booted the OS from my live usb, enabled wireless
[00:27] <thisguykills> it worked, and then I installed the OS
[00:27] <Ken8521> ok..  well, try that link i just gave you, see what hapens
[00:27] <thisguykills> when I enabled the driver after i installed the OS, the connections didnt come up
[00:27] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: (that for bcm4312;  I have 4306 rev 3)
[00:27] <thisguykills> I think my problem was that I didn't restart after that
[00:27] <thisguykills> Im going to try reinstalling ubuntu
[00:27] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, i'm not 100%, but they are the same driver(43xx)
[00:27] <Ken8521> i think
[00:28] <thisguykills> brb i gotta eat dinner
[00:28] <Ken8521> thisguykills, you shouln't need to reinstall..
[00:29] <Jake2|cfl> When I specify the ssid to connect to, it tries,tries, then says need passphrase (true)...more
[00:29] <Jake2|cfl> i put it in correct
[00:29] <Jake2|cfl> then it tries tries and throws same msg back up
[00:29] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, are you seeing networks?
[00:30] <Jake2|cfl> not sure what mean--no wireless nets show
[00:30] <Ken8521> ok, so if its not seeing networks, putting in your password/essid, is not going to do anything
[00:30] <Ken8521> i'm assuming you're not the only wireless network in your area
[00:31] <Jake2|cfl> no, on other computers i see 1 or 2 more
[00:31] <Jake2|cfl> and I see mine
[00:31] <Jake2|cfl> 10.04 RC
[00:31] <Ken8521> are you sure you're seeing your network, and you're not just seeing an entry you made?
[00:31] <Jake2|cfl> on the other computers yes I see it and connect to it
[00:31] <Ken8521> i'm talking about under Linux
[00:32] <Volkodav> How do  I check  the trim performance on Lynx on a 2.6.34-020634rc5-generic with trim capable SSD ?
[00:32] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: don't have another wireless linux
[00:32] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, are you under Linux now?
[00:32] <Jake2|cfl> no but can go to it, but don't have irc there but can take this laptop
[00:33] <Jake2|cfl> headed to that room...
[00:33] <Ken8521> ok...
[00:33] <thisguykills> blah
[00:33] <thisguykills> i ran the computer from the live usb
[00:33] <Ken8521> so..
[00:33] <thisguykills> and I enabled the driver, but now no networks are showing up
[00:34] <thisguykills> :/
[00:34] <Ken8521> thisguykills, i gave you a link, did you even look at it?
[00:34] <thisguykills> yeah
[00:34] <thisguykills> its for the wrong ethernet controller
[00:34] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: ok, there
[00:34] <thisguykills> its for BCM4312
[00:34] <Ken8521> thisguykills, 4312 and 4308, to my knowledge, use the same driver(43xx)
[00:35] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, now, is your Linux box seeing any networks at all.
[00:35] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: only the wired
[00:35] <thisguykills> ok ill try it
[00:35] <Ken8521> OK... so why would entering your network protocols do anything, of course its going to kick you back out, it's not seeing wireless networks
[00:35] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, which wireless device do you have again, the 4308?
[00:36] <Jake2|cfl> I was just trying anything, so I selected connect to hidden net, put in my ssid, got what said b4
[00:36] <Volkodav> SwedeMike around ?
[00:36] <Jake2|cfl> 4306 rev3
[00:36] <Volkodav> !seen SwedeMike
[00:37] <cheche> Hi, I try to upgrade a system from 8.04 and I have got a problem with flashplugin-nonfree
[00:38] <cheche> I modify the /var/lib/dpkg/status and remove the lines of flashplugin-nonfreee to fixed. is that ok?
[00:38] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, does the linux netbook have wired access?
[00:39] <reves> Has anybody experienced this issue.. VNC into lucid lynx desktop allows access no problem, however any movement and desktop changes made, while showing up on the host end, dont show on client end. any windows i open or menus i click on just dont show up.
[00:39] <Jake2|cfl> yes
[00:39] <Ken8521> what happens when you activate the driver?
[00:39] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521:  it is activated
[00:40] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521:  but don't know what mean by 'what happens'
[00:40] <Ken8521> have you restarted since activating
[00:40] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: it just shows as active
[00:40] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: yes
[00:41] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: but no wireless icon at top
[00:41] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, 32bit?
[00:41] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: only the up/down arrow network icon
[00:42] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521:  yes 32
[00:43] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: the led for wifi xmtr on is lighted
[00:43] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, that's kind of irrelevant, my wireless light has never came on in Linux, and my wireless works fine
[00:44] <Jake2|cfl> dmesg|grep b43
[00:44] <Jake2|cfl> oops
[00:45] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: that cmd shows 'loadinf firmware ver 410.2160 (date)
[00:47] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: a different line shows Broadcom 4306 WLAN found (core revision 5)
[00:47] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: there is no rev 5 for b43, 3 is highest
[00:48] <Jake2|cfl>  there is no rev 5 for bcm4306, 3 is highest
[00:48] <thisguykills> BLAHLBAL
[00:49] <Jake2|cfl> don't understand what that cmd does
[00:49] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, look under synaptic, and see if you have bcmwl-kernel-source installed
[00:49] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: hold
[00:50] <Jake2|cfl> synaptic
[00:50] <Jake2|cfl> oops
[00:51] <thisguykills> I finished dinner and I started on the guide you gave me ken
[00:51] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: not installed but listed
[00:51] <Ken8521> hmm
[00:51] <Ken8521> see, it says its for 4311/4312, etc..
[00:51] <Ken8521> but i'm *almost* sure all the 43 devices use the same driver.
[00:51] <Ken8521> but i don't have a ton of experience w/ broadcom devices
[00:52] <Ken8521> it's just the driver is always references as "b43xx"... which leads me to believe all the 43xx devices, use the same driver
[00:52] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: I don't think so; I saw some pages that had different versions for them; let me find the link...
[00:52] <thisguykills> wtf asdfkasdf
[00:52] <thisguykills> I just figured it out
[00:52] <thisguykills> all I had to do was type in sudo modprobe b43
[00:53] <thisguykills> haha wow im oblivious
[00:53] <Ken8521> well, thats a relief.
[00:53] <thisguykills> I should've known haha
[00:53] <thisguykills> ok thanks for your help
[00:53] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, try that...
[00:53] <thisguykills> Ken, +1 internetz for you
[00:53] <Ken8521> thisguykills, which devicedid you have again?
[00:53] <thisguykills> :)
[00:54] <Ken8521> just gonna put this in my notes, thats all...
[00:54] <thisguykills> uhh 1 second
[00:54] <Ken8521> lspci will show you if you don't know
[00:54] <thisguykills> yeah I know
[00:54] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521:  scuse neophyte--what does it do?
[00:54] <thisguykills> BCM5751
[00:54] <thisguykills> there we go
[00:54] <Ken8521> thisguykills, well thats a very different device
[00:55] <Ken8521> thisguykills, you modprobed b43, for a device that isn't a b43 device, impressive...lol
[00:55] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, what does what do?
[00:56] <DanaG> BCM5751 is wired, most likely.
[00:56] <Ken8521> sounds like it
[00:56] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: u said do sudo modprobe b43.  I did; it went to next line--no messages back
[00:57] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, then i'd say it didn't work, when you modprobe something,it typically just goes right back to your prompt.
[00:57] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, did you look at that other link?
[00:57] <DanaG> ah, yeah, bcm5751 is "nextreme" wired ethernet.
[00:57] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: yes that's what it did back to prompt
[00:57] <DanaG> tg3 is the driver, I think.
[00:57] <Ken8521> thisguykills, what is yoru WIRELESS device
[00:58] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, well, do you have wireless?
[00:58] <Ken8521> DanaG, don't the 4312 and 4308 wireless devices, use the same driver?
[00:58] <Jake2|cfl> ken: what should I see--all looks the same
[00:59] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, well, you should see wireless networks, so its probably not working
[00:59] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, post #2  http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1425601&highlight=broadcom+wireless
[01:00] <mawst> Did that Compiz/glx memory leak every get squashed?
[01:00] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: it worked it worked...
[01:00] <Ken8521> well sing the hallelujah chorus
[01:00] <Ken8521> what fixed it?
[01:00] <Jake2|cfl> I did the create a new wireless network, it looked and connected.
[01:01] <DanaG> I believe that is true: 4308 and 4312 use the same driver.
[01:01] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: why did we have to do the modprobe thing to get it operating?
[01:01] <Ken8521> DanaG, yeah, i'm not very experienced w/ the various broadcom problems...
[01:01] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, probably wasn't seeing the driver for some reason
[01:01] <Ken8521> you would think "activating" the restricted driver, would have mod probed it
[01:02] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521 Average users who don't know irc will be lost.
[01:02] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, average users are lost anyway
[01:02] <Ken8521> :)
[01:02] <Jake2|cfl> haha
[01:02] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, which device do you have?
[01:02] <Ken8521> 4308 right
[01:03] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521 bcm4306 rev 3
[01:03] <Ken8521> ok, and all you did was activate the driver in hardware drives, and modprobe b43... right?
[01:04] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: I had previously activated the driver...showed active...not work.  modprobe made it work
[01:04] <Ken8521> ok
[01:04] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: thank lots
[01:04] <Ken8521> didn't really do anything..lol
[01:05] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521:  u did--the modprobe I would have never known to do
[01:05] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, it happens... put that in your notes
[01:05]  * Jake2|cfl is a happy camper, satisfied user of channel going bye bye
[01:07] <Dink> Hello, I am trying to use launchpad ppa to build a custom lucid kernel. What #ubuntu channel can I ask for help?
[01:07] <Ken8521> lol
[01:08] <arand> Dink: #ubuntu-motu or #ubuntu-packaging might be useful
[01:08] <Dink> arand, thanks
[01:14] <Jake2|cfl> ntpqq
[01:14] <Jake2|cfl> oops
[01:15] <Jake2|cfl> can opera be installed in lucid rc?
[01:16] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, yes
[01:16] <Ken8521> download the .deb file from opera.com
[01:16] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  should be possible
[01:16] <Ken8521> i installed it no prob.
[01:16] <Jake2|cfl> thanks
[01:18] <rmrfslash> I just installed the ATI proprietary driver and now my shutdown/boot splash screens look ridiculous. I think Kubuntu now thinks my screen resolution is like that of a small handheld device or something
[01:18] <rmrfslash> Not that this is a huge deal... but it looks pretty crazy.
[01:19] <rmrfslash> is there some way to change the splash screen resolution or something?
[01:20] <rmrfslash> it's the screen that shows "kubuntu" with the dots underneath that dipsplay before you even get to the login screen
[01:20] <rmrfslash> looked fine when I had the "radeon" (catalyst) driver
[01:20] <rmrfslash> woops... radeon is not "catalyst"
[01:20] <rmrfslash> catalyst is the proprietary driver
[01:21] <chorse> rmrfslash: i think that's a bug with the nonfree driver. the proprietary nvidia one has the same problem
[01:21] <rmrfslash> i c
[01:22] <Ken8521> honeslty, i thought it was a problem w/ Plymouth
[01:22] <Ken8521> seems plymouth is to blame for everything..lol
[01:23] <rmrfslash> :)
[01:23] <crdlb> so it's the new pulseaudio? :)
[01:23] <chorse> afaik it is the lack of Direct Rendering Manager in proprietary nvidia driver (for nvidia ofc), maybe it's the same with ati
[01:23] <rmrfslash> looked cool before....
[01:23] <rmrfslash> now my wife just laughs
[01:23] <rmrfslash> :-/
[01:23] <bp0> you can change the resolution with grub
[01:24] <crdlb> don't reboot so much?
[01:24] <chorse> GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x800
[01:24] <chorse> for example
[01:24] <rmrfslash> well... I *just* installed 10.04
[01:24] <rmrfslash> and I was like yeah man kubuntu!!!
[01:24] <chorse> abd set gfxpayload=keep
[01:24] <rmrfslash> ohhhhhhhhhh
[01:24] <chorse> s/abd/and/
[01:24] <bp0> http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[01:24] <bjsnider> chorse, if you're talking about boot resolution it's the lack of a kms driver in the nvidia/ati blobs. the foss drivers have kms
[01:25] <Ken8521> plymouth is gonna be the demon spawn child of this release...lol
[01:25] <chorse> bjsnider: yes, something like that. i haven't investigated it any further because i am happy with the free drivers.
[01:25] <bjsnider> plymouth requires kms and nvidia/fglrx hasn't got it
[01:26] <bjsnider> there is a direct rendering manager in the nvidia blob though
[01:28] <rmrfslash> well....  here goes nothing
[01:28] <rmrfslash> time for a reboot
[01:29] <rmrfslash> see if this works
[01:30] <virtuald> bjsnider: i though plymouth would use a 16 color vga fb on those
[01:30] <Sydd> On booting to the Lucid RC Live CD, it gives an error "Installation failed. The installer encountered an unrecoverable error. A desktop session will now be run so that you may investigate the problem or try installing again." I've attempted several burns of the disk and checked the md5 sums, so its not an error with the disk itself. Anything else I can try to get RC installed?
[01:32] <arand> Sydd: You could try using the alternate installer iso I assume (textbased install)
[01:33] <Ken8521> or.. if the machine is capable of booting USB, use unetbootin to put the ISO on a thumb drive, see if you get the same problem
[01:34] <Sydd> It can boot into USB, but I don't have a thumb drive. Has anything changed from alpha/beta1/beta2 to rc that could have caused the issue?
[01:35] <rmrfslash> guess it would help if I could even see the grub menu when I boot
[01:35] <rmrfslash> where'd that go?
[01:35] <rmrfslash> I hit Shift
[01:35] <rmrfslash> nothign happened, no grub command line
[01:35] <Ken8521> rmrfslash, i had the same problem, only OS on that machine?
[01:36] <rmrfslash> yup
[01:36] <Ken8521> yeah, there's a modification you have to make to grub.. but i can't remember what it is.
[01:36] <Ken8521> hang on
[01:36] <bjsnider> virtuald, it does, but the full features require kms
[01:37] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, where you holding down shift?
[01:37] <rmrfslash> no
[01:37] <rmrfslash> just hit it a few times
[01:37] <rmrfslash> should I hold it down?
[01:37] <virtuald> bjsnider: ok. what's the difference?
[01:37] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, ya
[01:37] <Ken8521> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1195275
[01:37] <rmrfslash> k lemme try again
[01:38] <Ken8521> rmrfslash, look specifically at /etc/default/grub
[01:38] <Ken8521> woops.
[01:38] <Ken8521> fwiw, the shfit key never worked for me either
[01:39] <bjsnider> virtuald, the full resolution of the monitor and all of those stupid plugins
[01:39] <bjsnider> which are highly useful when your boot lasts 2 seconds
[01:40] <un214> how do I turn off plymouth's splash?
[01:41] <ZykoticK9> un214, remove "quiet splash" from /etc/default/grub to see the text output under plymouth
[01:42] <un214> great
[01:42] <termitor>  hello, i'm have some problem on my wifi ,  ath5k drivers , rs2413
[01:43] <rmrfslash> OK... I entered the best vbemode they had listed 1024x768x32
[01:43] <rmrfslash> looks different, but still pretty awful
[01:44] <rmrfslash> my *actual* screen resultion is 1366x768
[01:44] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, i doubt the vesa or similar frame buffer doesn't support that res - thus the vbemode is important
[01:45] <rmrfslash> ?
[01:45] <rmrfslash> I checked vbemode
[01:45] <rmrfslash> I didn't see this resolution
[01:45] <rmrfslash> went to the grub console, typed in vbemode
[01:45] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, exactly - which is the correct thing to do - but it only supports the 1024x768 resolution, and not your actual native resolution.
[01:45] <rmrfslash> right
[01:46] <rmrfslash> but before I installed the nonfree driver, the splash screen looked fine
[01:46] <rmrfslash> now, it looks terrible
[01:46] <rmrfslash> I kind of feel like a jerk complaining about the boot splash screen
[01:46] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, yes because of noveau vs propritary driver!
[01:46] <rmrfslash> noveau?
[01:46] <rmrfslash> is that the free nvidia driver?
[01:47] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, yup
[01:47] <rmrfslash> oh
[01:47] <crdlb> yes, nouveau
[01:47] <rmrfslash> I'm using ati :P
[01:47] <crdlb> same situation though
[01:47] <ZykoticK9> crdlb, thanks for the spelling catch :)
[01:47] <termitor> rmrfslash, nouveau (french word)
[01:47] <rmrfslash> well, so what you're saying is, if I install the nonfree driver my boot splash screen is doomed
[01:48] <rmrfslash> which I'm fine with btw....
[01:48] <rmrfslash> but it would be nice if it wasn't
[01:48] <rmrfslash> obviously not critical
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> rmrfslash, if you're using ati - i have NO ideas.  Best of luck man.
[01:48] <rmrfslash> no kidding
[01:48] <arand> rmrfslash: Yea, from what I've heard the binary blob from nvidia doesn't play well with plymouth splash.
[01:48] <rmrfslash> worst mistake ever
[01:49] <virtuald> bjsnider: i have the full resolution of my monitor (on free drivers) but still not enough place for dots when entering my cryptsetup password :p
[01:49] <rmrfslash> I would have gone w/ the radeon driver if it wasn't such a piece of junk. the sucker had my fan going pretty much 100% of the time
[01:49] <arand> rmrfslash: Oh, you're on ATI... I don't know there... might be same thing though..
[01:50] <rmrfslash> at least w/ the proprietary driver, it kind of gives my poor laptop a break
[01:50] <rmrfslash> no hardware acceleration that I know of w/ the free driver... yet
[01:50] <rmrfslash> even though ati releases the specs on their boards
[01:50] <bjsnider> termitor, install this package and reboot: linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
[01:52] <termitor> bjsnider, what driver is use on backport ?
[01:52] <rmrfslash> well, back to writing my android app :D
[01:53] <bjsnider> it's still ath5k, but newer and likely better than what's in the kernel already
[01:53] <termitor> oki thank
[01:57] <keyhive_> help!  my panel icons are locked!
[01:57] <keyhive_> can
[01:57] <keyhive_> not
[01:57] <keyhive_> move a thing
[01:57] <keyhive_> can't even remove panel items
[01:58] <termitor> bjsnider, hum , not better
[01:59] <crdlb> keyhive_: what do you see if you right click on an applet?
[02:00] <keyhive_> crdlb: Right-click menu produces one option only.  The word 'About'.
[02:00] <keyhive_> specifically on battery, evolution/empathy, and power applets
[02:00] <keyhive_> no move / delete options in context
[02:00] <keyhive_> and i cannot move / modify / delete panels, either
[02:01] <termitor> bjsnider, on the local , 50% paquet lost on ping
[02:01] <crdlb> keyhive_: gconf-editor /apps/panel/global/locked_down
[02:01] <keyhive_> crdlb: pretty serious
[02:01] <crdlb> disable that key
[02:01] <crdlb> seems to fit the description
[02:01] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: I was wrong about bcm4306 starting to work. It shows "connected", but has IP not on my net and will not pass traffic
[02:02] <keyhive_> crdlb: yep, that was my fault.  THANK you!!
[02:02] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: too tired; will wortk on it tomorrow  ;sad
[02:02] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, hmm.. ok
[02:02] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, i think you need to install the kernel source
[02:03] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: i would need lots of help--sorry.  Will try back tomorrow. nite.  I did install opera, but chat is grayed out. probs galore.
[02:04] <bjsnider> TerminX, could be broken hardware
[02:04] <bjsnider> sorry, termitor '
[02:05] <keyhive_> termitor: yep you might have a bent / twisted ethernet jack or a loose connector
[02:05] <keyhive_> s/jack/cable
[02:05] <termitor> bjsnider, no , i'm make the update to lucid today
[02:06] <keyhive_> termitor: break a leg :D
[02:06] <termitor> keyhive_, ;c i'm can't
[02:06] <bjsnider> every time i see packet loss it's broken hardware
[02:07] <termitor> bjsnider, on wireless ?  every time i see packet loss it's broken software :p
[02:07] <keyhive_> bjsnider: yeah, single point of failure
[02:07] <termitor> bjsnider, the bug is on launchpad for lucid and ath5k
[02:08] <keyhive_> these damn bugs :)
[02:08] <keyhive_> cool stuff coming down the pipe, mind
[02:09] <keyhive_> thanks again for the fix, crdlb
[02:12] <termitor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/565892
[02:18] <bjsnider> termitor, i'm curious why you came in here about it
[02:18] <benshan> hi.  has anyone had any issues with gwibber not connecting to accounts?
[02:19] <termitor> bjsnider, where i'm do it ?
[02:19] <bjsnider> termitor, we don't rewrite john linville's wireless drivers. what you should do is go to the #ubuntu-kernel channel and request a new refresh of the wireless backports package
[02:20] <benshan> it seems to completely ignore facebook (like, not een set it up) and although identi.ca and twitter show up it neither sends or reciees from them
[02:21] <benshan> i couldn't find anything on google about it so i was curious if it was just my computer with the issue
[02:23] <mxe5> What is the difference between GLX-Dock (Cairo-Dock) or Docky ? Can you install only one ? ?
[02:24] <crdlb> you can install as many as you want, but you can only use one
[02:24] <mxe5> crdlb: Do you use one of these?
[02:25] <crdlb> nope
[02:25] <crdlb> I only have 1024x768, so gnome-panel is a better use of space for me
[02:26] <mxe5> I'am not that big into eye-candy stuff - I like things to "Just work" I guess
[02:26] <mxe5> Thanks
[02:27] <Blue11> crdlb: there can be only one!
[02:32] <Volkodav> anybody did any testing on SSD trim support in 33 and 34 kernels ?
[02:33] <Ben64> Hi. I'm on 8.04 Hardy Heron and want to upgrade, but don't want to break anything. I plan on backing up my root partition using dd. I figure it would also be a good time to organize my partitions better. My boot drive is sdb, /boot is sdb1, / is sdb2, swap is sdb3. and a data partition is sdb4. I'd like to combine /boot and /, and make / larger. What's the best way to do that, and still allow ubuntu to boot?
[02:34] <maco> Ben64: i'd use rsync to backup / instead of dd. dd requires that partitions be the same size
[02:34] <felon> if i installed something through software center and cant find it
[02:34] <maco> Ben64: were you planning to install from a cd to upgrade? if so, just go into manual partition mode & combine sdb1 and sdb2
[02:34] <felon> search files didnt come up with nyhting either
[02:34] <Ben64> maco: well if everything goes right, I wouldn't need to restore it
[02:35] <maco> Ben64: there's also the bit were dd is *slow* since it copies the empty space too
[02:35] <Ben64> didn't think it was possible to combine partitions
[02:35] <maco> Ben64: they're next to each other, so you can delete them both, then make a new one in their spot
[02:35] <Ben64> i want to make / part bigger, cause there pretty much is no empty space :)
[02:35] <Ben64> I want to upgrade, not install fresh
[02:37] <maco> Ben64: ok then you need to boot from a live cd, back up your kernels and things from sdb1 to some other media, delete sdb1, make sdb2 bigger, put the stuff that was in sdb1 into a folder in sdb2 named "boot" and then edit the etc/fstab in sdb2 so that it doesnt look for /boot on sdb1 ... probably also edit grub
[02:38] <felon> i installed something through software center and cant find it
[02:38] <Ben64> maco: where does ubuntu keep the information on where the swap partition is?
[02:38] <maco> Ben64: /etc/fstab
[02:38] <maco> felon: dpkg -L <package name>
[02:39] <Ben64> oh wow, didn't know swap was in fstab
[02:39] <Ben64> thanks maco
[02:39] <maco> np
[02:40] <felon> i dont know the full package name
[02:41] <robertzaccour> i just installed xubuntu and now my discs and usb devices aren't being shown
[02:41] <robertzaccour> i didn't have this problem with gnome
[02:42] <robertzaccour> any ideas?
[02:42] <robertzaccour> is this an xfce bug?
[02:42] <nomnex> in Empathy 2.3.0.1 can block my contact on a per-contact basis?
[02:43] <nishanth> does anyone know how to make the DVD play on lucid?
[02:43] <robertzaccour> nishanth, install vlc, gxine, or totem-xine and it should work fine
[02:43] <pepee> robertzaccour, /join #xubuntu
[02:44] <robertzaccour> pepee, thats the first thing i tried, not a very responsive channel today
[02:44] <robertzaccour> pepee, and this is an ubuntu issue just as it would be if i were running gnome
[02:45] <ZykoticK9> nishanth, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/enable-dvd-video-playback
[02:45] <pepee> robertzaccour, does xubuntu live cd show your usb drives?
[02:46] <robertzaccour> pepee, don't know, i had the live on the usb device when i installed it
[02:47] <pepee> ahh, well, no idea then
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> robertzaccour:  ive seen numerous issues where usb devices/drives dont get automounted properly. I could alwyas mount them by hand however.
[02:47] <pepee> I removed automount...
[02:47] <Fiveways> rmrfslash: what kind of app?
[02:51] <rmrfslash> It's a system health monitoring app
[02:52] <rmrfslash> I read the google disk paper and was inspired to start collecting data from our server fleet.... then thought "hmm, it'd be cool to write an Adnroid app to give notifications when critical servers go down or when disk space starts running out etc."
[02:52] <Fiveways> man wtf
[02:53] <rmrfslash> of course we get a bunch of emails and SMSs for this too but... whatever
[02:53] <rmrfslash> still fun
[02:54] <rmrfslash> and I don't wanna be one of those dudes who gets an Android saying "Man, I'm gunna write an app!!" then never do it
[02:54] <rmrfslash> :P
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> Im one of those dudes that will get an android after everyone else has moved on to the next cool gizmo.
[02:58] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, same here
[03:00] <git__> me too
[03:00] <git__> I prefer an old model than a new one
[03:01] <fqh> Does anyone install ubuntu-10.04 in vmware? My u-10.04's keyboard did not respond to me.
[03:02] <Ken8521> git__, at least w/ older models, glitches/probs are usually worked out
[03:03] <git__> not with 9.10
[03:03] <git__> it's still a broken OS
[03:03] <git__> thus I venture onto 10.04
[03:04] <git__> anyone here use zsync?
[03:04] <Ken8521> u saying 9.10 is broken?
[03:05] <git__> it is
[03:05] <jdsbluedevl> hi, I noticed a new problem with policykit.  I was able to resolve the CPU problem by deleting a hidden directory in my home directory (which one, I'm not sure), but it seems that a slower memory leak persists
[03:06] <git__> "Change is coming" sounds like an Obama political theme
[03:07] <jdsbluedevl> git_: it was actually McCain's attempt to copy Obama's mantra
[03:07] <Fiveways> anyone using nouveau on 10.04?
[03:08] <rmrfslash> Dr_Willis: hehehehe
[03:08] <git__> is the latest build Apr 22?
[03:08] <Alan> hmmm
[03:08] <rmrfslash> git__: I think Android is too young to get an older model, the API versions are ridiculously incompatible from what I've heard
[03:09] <Alan> maybe somebody can clear this up for me... is the Dust theme broken, or has it just been made ugly?
[03:09] <rmrfslash> fqh: I installed 10.04 in VMware... it was fine
[03:10] <git__> anyone know where to get nightly zsync build for 10.04?
[03:11] <nhasian> anyone know how to properly align an SSD drive for lucid?
[03:12] <rmrfslash> fqh: what OS r u running VMware on?
[03:12] <fqh> rmrfslash: Which version is your VMware? and host-OS? I used linux version vmware-7.01, host-OS is also ubuntu-10.04.
[03:13] <rww> git__: zsync one of the files on http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/. e.g., run "zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso"
[03:13] <git__> thanks rww
[03:14] <arand> git__: Note though, that that is the RC, and past the RC-release, there are no more dailies.
[03:15] <arand> Alan: broken in what way?
[03:17] <Loki> So... What would cause windows to become maximized all the time no matter what the install?
[03:18] <ZykoticK9> Loki, is maximus running or installed by chance?
[03:18] <Alan> arand: it looks like dust and new wave had an illegitimate child
[03:21] <Loki> ZykoticK9: to be honest, I don't know what maximus is
[03:21] <arand> Alan: It looks a bit strange, yes. But I assume it's supposed to... check upstream...
[03:22] <Loki> It is happening in the Lucid netbook installer, I should say
[03:22] <Loki> and It happened in another ubuntu install,
[03:22] <Loki> which is why I ask.
[03:25] <arand> Hmm, quite a lot of flowers in the shipped background, I got to say...
[03:25] <arand> *backgrounds
[03:25] <Ken8521> i've always had a thing for nature shots, so i like them
[03:26] <Ken8521> well, nature/landscape...
[03:26] <arand> Nature, yes. Just simple flowers... I don't know...
[03:26] <John47> hello all - trying to dual boot Win7 and Lucid on my Dell Mini 9 and it tells me "unsupported GPT"....any ideas?
[03:31] <Sarvatt> fqh: its a bug in vmware's easy installer, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/548891
[03:33] <fqh> Sarvatt: thanks
[03:34] <crucialhoax> Is there a way to get the windows snap feature?
[03:34] <Sarvatt> fqh: i spoke to a vmware dev about it and he said it was fixed in the beta releases that you can get at http://communities.vmware.com/community/beta/ws you can sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup to fix it for now though
[03:34] <koshari> crucialhoax: care to explain what it is? there is likely a function in compiz that it was lifted from.
[03:35] <MTughan> koshari: You drag a window to the top, and it maximizes. To the left or right, and it fills up that half of the screen.
[03:35] <Loki> ZykoticK9: why do you ask?
[03:35] <soreau> crucialhoax: compiz grid plugin
[03:35] <ZykoticK9> Loki, maximus is default for UNR/UNE to maximize all windows - "ps aux | grep maximus" or "apt-cache policy maximus" - it's NOT on my Ubuntu
[03:35] <crucialhoax> koshari: Its from Win 7, when you drag windows to either side it splits it so its easier to have 2 windows open at once.
[03:36] <Loki> ZykoticK9: ahh
[03:36] <jdsbluedevl> did the latest build bring back the policykit CPU leak for anyone else?
[03:36] <crucialhoax> soreau: I do not have compiz installed. What package will I need?
[03:36] <jdsbluedevl> I had gotten rid of it by deleting a certain hidden directory which I forgot, but now it's back in this build
[03:36] <soreau> crucialhoax: It's part of plugins-extra package IIRC
[03:36] <crucialhoax> okay.
[03:37] <soreau> There are also different variations of how to do it
[03:37] <koshari> crucialhoax first and formeost oyu need a functioning advanced desktop effects , then you can install the compiz advanced setings applet
[03:37] <soreau> In compiz 0.9 it has mouse/edge and visual effects features
[03:38] <crucialhoax> koshari: Which I do.
[03:38] <koshari> crucialhoax you have compiz settings manager installed?
[03:39] <crucialhoax> koshari: Just installed it yes.
[03:39] <koshari> then menu > sys pref > setings manager
[03:39] <crucialhoax> I am already there
[03:43] <crucialhoax> now what?
[03:44] <koshari> crucialhoax: nopw check out all the compiz plugins to compare f one is similar to the windows one you seek i guiess
[03:45] <crucialhoax> koshari: There is one named grid which soreau suggested but I do not know how to configure it.
[03:46] <jdsbluedevl> has anyone else noticed the return of bug 426556?  The latest build, whenever it was in the past two days, caused the CPU leak to return
[03:47] <z3r0-c001> are there any progz on lucid that i can use to conect my downloaded youtube vids into one vid
[03:50] <crucialhoax> z3r0-c001: Like video editing?
[03:50] <m4lt> is 10.04 the best to go with for my desktop, I got old cd of ubuntu and was just wondering if this was stable so far. I also seen it only had 4 days left before release.
[03:51] <z3r0-c001> i guess yeah i downloaded a full movie that i couldnt find anywhere but in peaces i need to put the puzzle together so i can just watch my movie lol
[03:52] <m4lt> lol
[03:52] <crucialhoax> try pitivi or openmovieeditor
[03:52] <z3r0-c001> just wait your four days and get the realease
[03:52] <m4lt> Yeah I sold my PC built another and seen newer versions on there
[03:53] <moomoo> i've been using the rc now for a week, and it's very stable.. i'd go ahead and download the rc
[03:53] <z3r0-c001> thnx
[03:53] <jdsbluedevl> moomoo: are you having a CPU leak?  because I am, and it seems like no one else is
[03:54] <z3r0-c001> y dl rc just to turn around and do a 6 hour upgrade later
[03:54] <crucialhoax> z3r0-c001: You dont have to, the packages will just update to the final versions. no upgrade needed
[03:54] <m4lt> if I install the other version of ubuntu, is it easy to upgrade to the newer version, without loosing any files and all that?
[03:54] <IdleOne> z3r0-c001: often times the rc is actually the final couple days before release
[03:54] <moomoo> jds: no cpu leak here
[03:55] <IdleOne> not to mention an upgrade never took me more then 1.5 hours
[03:55] <z3r0-c001> well i just upgraded from 8.04 lol 6hrs
[03:55] <Loki> Gah... No Poulsbo support in 10.04 :(
[03:55] <moomoo> you must be using a dial up connection z3r0 ?
[03:55] <jdsbluedevl> grr.  It's something in my home user directory, but I don't know what it is
[03:55] <IdleOne> z3r0-c001: yeah of course! you had to upgrade /everything/
[03:55] <z3r0-c001> no wifi
[03:56] <z3r0-c001> lol
[03:56] <IdleOne> on wifi to boot
[03:56] <m4lt> I got a cd it is 7.04
[03:56] <IdleOne> heh
[03:56] <z3r0-c001>  dont you know it idleone:
[03:56] <m4lt> was sent to me by mail long ago
[03:56] <jdsbluedevl> for all I know, it probably has something to do with PulseAudio, grr
[03:56] <z3r0-c001> i could have hardlined but i aint feel lke being stationary
[03:59] <Fiveways> my ubuntu tells me that nouveau is already installed, but im guessing its not currently activated since i dont have an xorg.conf
[03:59] <Fiveways> how should i configure it?
[04:00] <Loki> Does anyone know the status of it?
[04:00] <luis_> i need a fix for my function keys
[04:00] <Loki> Does anyone know the status of gma500 for 10.04?
[04:01] <crdlb> Fiveways: I think it should be used automatically
[04:01] <crdlb> Fiveways: check your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[04:01] <luis_> i currently have 10.04 on a lenovo u350
[04:03] <Gokul> whenever i try to upgrade to RC , it says "ubuntu-desktop" needs to be removed but it is in removal blacklist ... and so the upgrade fails.....
[04:04] <Gokul> i asked one day back
[04:04] <Gokul> and someone told me
[04:04] <Gokul> try
[04:04] <Gokul> after sometime and it will work to install RC ... i tried day before yesterday , yesterday and now. it is still the same .. how do i up grade it ?
[04:06] <Gokul> yofel, do you remember me ?? you told me that it would work after few hours... it is not working now.. what should i do now ?
[04:06] <moomoo> anybody know how to successfully setup oidentd or xauth ??
[04:08] <jdsbluedevl> OK, I have another question.  Is the ~/.cache directory safe to remove?
[04:08] <jdsbluedevl> I'm wondering if that's causing the problem
[04:09] <jdsbluedevl> eh, nvm, that didn't work.  I'll move it back from trash
[04:09] <crdlb> jdsbluedevl: assuming it is being used correctly
[04:16] <greezmunkey> I am md5sum(ming) 10.04 rc, and have looked at ubuntu.com for the .iso's number, but can't find it. The md5sum file on the cd has about fifty to choose from - where can I find the 10.04rc md5sum?
[04:17] <moomoo> greezemunkey http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/MD5SUMS
[04:17] <bp0> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/MD5SUMS
[04:18] <bp0> mine was shorter
[04:18] <pepee> lol
[04:18] <moomoo> lol
[04:18] <yukiseaside> when
[04:19] <greezmunkey> eh, I'm probably ok, cd matches hdd...AND matches the official, thanks
[04:25] <ace2> I installed Beta 2 and updated today with 400 or so updates.Am i running the RC now?.How can i check it?
[04:25] <holstein> hey ace2
[04:25] <holstein> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:25] <holstein> thats what i run
[04:26] <holstein> if you got no updates, your up to date :)
[04:26] <ace2> I don't have any updates left to install.
[04:26] <virtuald> ace2: if lsb_release -a doesn't say (development something) any more you've got the rc
[04:27] <ace2> No LSB modules are available.
[04:27] <ace2> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[04:27] <ace2> Description:	Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[04:27] <ace2> Release:	10.04
[04:27] <ace2> Codename:	lucid
[04:27] <jdsbluedevl> OK, another question. Are ~/.update-manager and ~/.update-manager-core safe to remove?
[04:28] <jdsbluedevl> forget it, that wasn't it either
[04:32] <greezmunkey> ok, so I have ensured I have all updates to my current 9.10, can I upgrade from the cd I just burned? The LucidUpgrade page suggests upgrading over the net.
[04:32] <jdsbluedevl> greezmunkey: update-manager -d
[04:34] <crdlb> greezmunkey: you cannot use the desktop cd to upgrade an existing installation
[04:34] <greezmunkey> crdlb: nice! well, at least I have the cd now :)
[04:35] <greezmunkey> update-manager-d it is then.
[04:35] <crdlb> only the alternate cd can do that (and apparently the live dvd)
[04:35] <jdsbluedevl> greezmunkey: no, there's a space between manager and -d
[04:35] <ranjan> hi all there is some sort of bug in the ccsm package
[04:36] <jdsbluedevl> ranjan: does it cause a CPU leak?
[04:36] <ranjan> the opacity and brightness plugin causes the whole desktop manager to crash
[04:36] <jdsbluedevl> ok, nvm, not the same problem as me
[04:36] <greezmunkey> jdsbluedevl: updating now :)
[04:37] <greezmunkey> heh, see ya
[04:37] <ranjan> jdsbluedevl, it should be reported
[04:37] <jdsbluedevl> ranjan: my bug has been, getting no feedback at all
[04:37] <jdsbluedevl> although I had fixed it for a while, but now it's back
[04:37] <jdsbluedevl> I'm sure it's something in my user directory
[04:38] <ranjan> jdsbluedevl, actually i think the rgba support is not enabled by default and people will try to make the transparency and will result in a sudden break
[04:38] <jdsbluedevl> although when I switch from my main user account to a blank one (instead of vice versa), the CPU leak remains
[04:39] <ranjan> jdsbluedevl, how can this be reported as a serious and important thing
[04:39] <jdsbluedevl> oh, your bug
[04:39] <jdsbluedevl> run ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME
[04:41] <ranjan> jdsbluedevl, oh i tried ubuntu-bug ccsm
[04:41] <ranjan> jdsbluedevl, but it says that no package ccsm
[04:42] <crdlb> are you sure the bug is in ccsm anyway?
[04:42] <crdlb> (package name is compizconfig-settings-manager)
[04:42] <ranjan> crdlb, no i dont how can i find that
[04:43] <crdlb> so the problem is that enabling a plugin is crashing your system?
[04:43] <crdlb> that's  either a bug in compiz or in your video driver (or some other part of X)
[04:43] <ranjan> crdlb, the desktop manager is freezing...panels and menus are disappearing
[04:44] <crdlb> I'm not sure what you mean by that
[04:44] <c0vert> when i try to use the water effect the whole screen goes white, and then comes back in 2 seconds or so..i wonder if it's related
[04:44] <ranjan> crdlb, i am having an intel machine...and i think its video driver is maintianed by ubuntu itself
[04:44] <crdlb> ubuntu doesn't write any video drivers
[04:45] <bp0> does open office use qt?
[04:45] <crdlb> bp0: no, but it has some integration with both qt and gtk
[04:45] <bp0> the menus are black text for me
[04:45] <bp0> on the dark background
[04:45] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[04:45] <bp0> seems to ignore the theme
[04:45] <crdlb> sounds like a bug in that integration
[04:46] <ShapeShifter499> will I miss any features if I upgrade to 10.04 insted of doing a fresh install?
[04:46] <crdlb> bp0: if it were completely ignoring the theme, then the background wouldn't be dark
[04:46] <ShapeShifter499> *instead
[04:46] <soreau> ShapeShifter499: aside from a headache? ;)
[04:46] <ShapeShifter499> lmao
[04:47] <bp0> eh i guess
[04:47] <bp0> theme is new wave
[04:49] <ShapeShifter499> no seriously I should be fine with upgrading from my current 9.10 to 10.04
[04:49] <ShapeShifter499> right?
[04:50] <bp0> depends on what changes you made
[04:50] <bp0> to 9.10
[04:50] <c0vert> i love the silence heh
[04:50] <ShapeShifter499> not many yet
[04:50] <bp0> just back up everything first and go for it
[04:50] <soreau> If you just use your system and don't abuse it too much, an upgrade might work
[04:50] <ShapeShifter499> nothin to backup....just goin to update and then move from win 7
[04:51] <bp0> should work
[04:51] <bp0> in fact i absolutely guarantee that it will work without any problems at all
[04:51] <c0vert> ...
[04:51] <bp0> ... not that my guarantee means anything
[04:51] <ShapeShifter499> well upgrades haven't let me down "yet"
[04:52] <greezmunkey> What should I expect with regard to firefox after the upgrade?
[04:52] <ckwalsh> I just upgrades my netbook without any issues
[04:52] <ckwalsh> upgrading my dev server now
[04:53] <ckwalsh> Unless you made some drastic changes, you *probably* shouldn't have too much trouble
[04:53] <GSF1200S> does anyone know if its possible to restart alsa in 10.04
[04:54] <bp0> was grub1 used in 91.10
[04:55] <rww> bp0: 9.10 defaulted to GRUB2 for new installs
[04:55] <ShapeShifter499> is this a good update method?    use alt-f4  RUN update-manager -d THAN update via update button that shows up
[04:55] <greezmunkey> So, when does this channel become #ubuntu, the 29th?
[04:56] <ckwalsh> ShapeShifter499, That's even the suggested method IIRC
[04:56] <ShapeShifter499> oh
[04:56] <rww> greezmunkey: either the 29th or soon after (I forget which), it gets set +f #ubuntu so people get forwarded there on join, and the people already in the channel get kicked out
[04:56] <ShapeShifter499> lmao haven't been in ubuntu for a bit
[04:57] <bp0> when does it become ubuntu+1 again?
[04:57] <ckwalsh> ShapeShifter499, http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS
[04:57] <Pici> bp0: When the Maverick toolchain opens
[04:57] <ShapeShifter499> ckwalsh: what about x86_64 users?
[04:57] <ckwalsh> Same thing
[04:58] <rww> alt-f2, not alt-f4
[04:58] <ckwalsh> I'm running 64 bit :D
[04:58] <bp0> maverick?
[04:58] <bp0> thats the name of the next one?
[04:58] <rww> bp0: yes
[04:58] <rww> maverick meerkat
[04:58] <bp0> oh, then {{mccain/palin jokes}}
[04:58] <rww> indeed
[04:59] <bp0> for US folks anyway
[04:59] <bp0> maybe no one else cares
[04:59] <ShapeShifter499> ok
[04:59] <ShapeShifter499> well I'ma go update I'll be back in  2-4 hours if sumthin goes wrong
[04:59] <ckwalsh> Dear rest of the world: We apologize for Palin.  We aren't all that insane.  Signed, The US
[04:59] <jdsbluedevl> ok, I think I narrowed my CPU leak problem down to either the package policykit-1 or pulseaudio
[04:59] <ShapeShifter499> bye
[05:00] <jdsbluedevl> is there a safe way of wiping either and reinstalling without breaking the system?
[05:00] <arand> jdsbluedevl: "sudo aptitude install --reinstall packagename" if you know which package.
[05:01] <greezmunkey> jdsbluedevl: something tells me that "wiping" and "safe" are mutually exclusive :)
[05:01] <jdsbluedevl> arand: I already tried sudo aptitude reinstall PACKAGENAME
[05:01] <jdsbluedevl> is that same or different?
[05:01] <rww> same
[05:01] <arand> jdsbluedevl: same, yes
[05:01] <jdsbluedevl> then I already did it
[05:02] <jdsbluedevl> apparently it also involves some underlying package
[05:02] <arand> jdsbluedevl: This might be the right time to report a bug ;)
[05:02] <jdsbluedevl> I'll try again, but I don't think I'm going to get a response, again
[05:02] <arand> jdsbluedevl: You already reported it?
[05:02] <jdsbluedevl> what type of process that runs from your account refuses to quit when you log off your account and onto another one?
[05:03] <jdsbluedevl> yes, bug 426556
[05:03] <mawst> Anyone running e17? :D
[05:09] <arand> jdsbluedevl: Well, it doesn't really seem to be abandoned, just that it's not really known what the cause is, and since it's only certain users seing it, the developers don't really have much to go by... More info would likely be very helpful...
[05:09] <jdsbluedevl> arand: believe me, more will be forthcoming.
[05:10] <arand> jdsbluedevl: I know valgrind could be used to test for memory errors: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valgrind but I have really no experience with it, I'm afraid..
[05:10] <jdsbluedevl> arand: it's not just memory, but also CPU
[05:14] <linda> hi could i get help installing java in 10.04. probably need to add sun java to repositories right?
[05:17] <arand> jdsbluedevl: if you jump out in a tty when the "thing" is happening and run "ubuntu-bug $PID" (pid being the pid of the app) you might get some interesting info of the error as it is happening... This will report a new bug, but if you link it as a duplicate of the one already there, it could serve some useful info... maybe...
[05:17] <greezmunkey> waiting for the last of the files to dl is like watching water *not* boil...
[05:18] <arand> jdsbluedevl: make sure you have access to a browser, either lynx/elinks that works with launchpad, or a browser on another machine to follow the given link
[05:18] <linda> ok then, will open jdk jre be enough for me to work in basic web browsing?
[05:18] <jdsbluedevl> yes, I'm doing that now
[05:19] <jdsbluedevl> too bad I can't get back to the original bug
[05:19] <linda> rww, are you sure this is the right channel:)
[05:22] <arand> jdsbluedevl: well, you could use first make the report, use apport-unpack to get the files and upload them one by one, but I think it's probably simpler to get a new bug...
[05:22] <jdsbluedevl> yeah, that's what I'm doing now
[05:22] <bp0> will perl 5.12 be available for 10.04?
[05:24] <arand> bp0: Don't think so, no.
[05:24] <arand> bp0: Might be from a ppa, but not in repos it seems.
[05:25] <bp0> hmm
[05:26] <jdsbluedevl> bug 570015
[05:26] <rww> linda: Try adding Canonical's partner repository, it should be in there.
[05:27] <LogicalDash> I'm trying to add my machine to my Ubuntu One account. I can open the Ubuntu One preferences program, but it doesn't take me to the webpage for adding computer.
[05:27] <linda> rww, ok how do i remove open jdk jre now? :) cause it did not work for me:)
[05:28] <rww> linda: no idea, I don't use Java
[05:29] <moomoo> linda,  sudo apt-get install sun-java6-bin sun-java6-jre sun-java6-plugin
[05:30] <moomoo> then sudo update-alternatives --config java
[05:30] <linda> moomoo, thank you sir, but did that. now i was thinking i should perhaps uninstall the other java i installed. will try to figure it out :)
[05:30] <linda> aah thanks
[05:30] <moomoo> you should be able to select the sun version instead of the openjdk
[05:30] <arand> LogicalDash: #ubuntuone might know more, if they are awake.
[05:31] <LogicalDash> Um, it was a bad cookie. I deleted it.
[05:31] <LogicalDash> Or, bad password.
[05:31] <LogicalDash> Or whatever.
[05:34] <linda> moomoo, thanks for your help. anywhere i could send you a screenshot of what i get when typing that command?
[05:38] <moomoo> paste it here http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[05:38] <moomoo> then paste the url :)
[05:38] <ddecator> linda: you're trying to install java?
[05:39] <linda> ddecator, yes
[05:39] <moomoo> she's trying to switch from open jdk to sun java
[05:39] <ddecator> linda: i think it's in the partner repo of the software center
[05:39] <LogicalDash> sudo apt-get remove openjdk6;sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre
[05:39] <linda> i managed to mark openjdk for complete removal now, she is not doing it, i the boyfriend is:D
[05:40] <linda> ddecator, i found it
[05:40] <mralexandro> sry bout the name
[05:40] <mralexandro> did not notice
[05:42] <mralexandro> ddecator, moomoo fixed it, thanks, also installed falsh with no trouble, thanks guys
[05:42] <ddecator> mralexandro: no problem =)
[05:43] <mralexandro> ddecator, does 10.04 still support cube (compiz fusion eninge=?
[05:44] <ddecator> mralexandro: yup, i use it
[05:44] <mralexandro> could you be nice and give me the sudo line sir:)
[05:45] <mralexandro> moomoo83, wb:D
[05:45] <moomoo83> thanx
[05:45] <ddecator> mralexandro: you could look in the software center, otherwise 'sudo apt-get install ccsm'
[05:45] <crdlb> compizconfig-settings-manager*
[05:45] <ddecator> er, 'sudo apt-get isntall simple-sscm'
[05:45] <ddecator> dang it
[05:45] <ddecator> 'sudo apt-get install simple-ccsm'
[05:46] <mralexandro> thanks
[05:46] <mralexandro> :)
[05:51] <perscitus> Does "Upgrading" to Lucid overwrite grub2 setup?
[05:57] <NinoScript> how can I remap keys with xkb? or, where should I ask about that?
[05:57] <moomoo83> wb mralexandro :p
[05:57] <arand> perscitus: As far as I know, no.
[05:58] <perscitus> arand,   cuz i keep Windows default for tv recording.
[06:02] <pepee> bug 524774
[06:08] <LogicalDash> Hmm, I seem to have my email accounts set up properly in Evolution, but Send/Receive Email is still grayed out.
[06:09] <LogicalDash> durp work online
[06:09] <LogicalDash> yes I do want that, please
[06:17] <greezmunkey> hmm, upgrade *almost* complete, system tells me I have two broken packages. I got an error pop that mentioned "use broken filter" where do I find that?
[06:17] <greezmunkey> I'm thinking package manager...
[06:28] <voss749> greez try synaptic
[06:28] <moomoo83> greezmunkey.. do this in terminal.. sudo apt-get install -f
[06:28] <MrSunshine__> greezmunkey, http://tinyurl.com/2cchegn
[06:28] <MrSunshine__> =)
[06:31] <greezmunkey> MrSunshine__: nice! Yeah, I fixed it. I need a quick restart though. Thaks
[06:31] <greezmunkey> thanks
[06:32] <mralexandro> what was the shortcut to start typing in gnome do
[06:45] <switchgirl> nautilus crashes when i copy music from an internal hard drive to a external one - the file structure is the issue (some folders are albums and as such have pictures on them
[07:07] <greezmunkey> hello?
[07:07] <Gartral> i know this isnt the place, but im at an avsolute loss here.. anyone have any experience with the Android Dev Platform? in any os?
[07:08] <greezmunkey> Gartral: sorry...
[07:09] <rww> Gartral: try #ubuntu-offtopic
[07:11] <greezmunkey> Any idea what an SMBus is? there are lots of references in the goog, seems to be a motherboard level device. I get piix4_smbus 0000:00:0f.o: Host SMBus controller not enabled! on boot. I don't ever remember getting this message in 9.10. lspci sais it is a 00:0f.0 Host bridge: Broadcom CSB6 South Bridge (rev a0), but I am not quite sure where to go with this - the system seems to run fine, so far...
[07:14] <greezmunkey> well, whatever it is, I'm not going to worry about it! :)
[07:14] <Suit_Of_Sables> is there a torrent source for the new 10.4? the one from the ubuntu testing page keeps freezing about 2/3 through
[07:15] <Gartral> Suit_Of_Sables: 10.4? of what? or do you mean 10.04?
[07:16] <greezmunkey> Suit_Of_Sables: http://linux.softpedia.com/progDownload/Ubuntu-Lucid-Lynx-Download-53009.html
[07:16] <greezmunkey> Gartral: :p
[07:17] <Gartral> there was an ubbottu trigger for explaining the release number madness.. does it still exist?
[07:20] <greezmunkey> Openfire still runs, that's good.
[07:20] <Gartral> rww: #ubuntu-offtopic isnt helping
[07:21] <rww> Gartral: possibly because "23:10:05 < Gartral> anyone have any experience with ADB?" is not a particularly good question.
[07:21] <BiggFREE> Hi
[07:27] <Maroven> hi all
[07:30] <shoonya> new mail notification in mail-notification not using notify-osd, is this a bug in lucid lynx ?
[07:31] <Maroven> anyone been following this bug: 565981
[07:31] <Maroven> link is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/565981
[07:31] <kklimonda> Maroven: well, it's being worked on
[07:31] <Ken8521> no
[07:31] <shoonya> strangely though, "Display test messages" in the properties window shows the test message using notify-osd
[07:32] <kklimonda> even fixed
[07:32] <Maroven> when it says released does taht mean an rc edition can just run update manager to get that installed?
[07:32] <kklimonda> Maroven: yes
[07:32] <Maroven> awesome
[07:32] <doktoreas> hello everybody..is there a way in gwibber to remove read message?
[07:32] <Maroven> every 30min this laptop was doing system lockup
[07:35] <greezmunkey> hmm, I was expecting window controls on the left, didn't happen?? (I don't mind) Is this "normal"?
[07:36] <Ken8521> greezmunkey, unless there's been a change(i doubt it) they should be on the left
[07:36] <switchgirl> i'm using musicbrianz and i need the following file structure and file name: genre>sub-genre>artist>album>(if two cd's cd1 or cd 2)>track title
[07:36] <switchgirl> what is the syntax i need to use to get that?
[07:37] <Ken8521> switchgirl, sounds like an application issue
[07:37] <switchgirl> Ken8521, i just need the correct syntax :s
[07:37] <switchgirl> !musicbrainz
[07:37] <greezmunkey> Ken8521: Maybe I'm not using the right terminology. I was under the impression that the min/max/X would be on the top left.
[07:38] <Maroven> gnome ui?
[07:38] <Ken8521> greezmunkey, they have been, all through alpha, beta and the RC's.... did you upgrade from a beta, in which you moved them to the right.
[07:38] <greezmunkey> Ken8521: No, from 9.10 just in the last 2 hours.
[07:38] <Maroven> up to beta 2 pre apr 15 they were on left
[07:39] <Ken8521> Maroven, did they move them due to all the complaints?
[07:39] <Ken8521> greezmunkey, you can put them on the left if you want, but it feels so unnatural.
[07:40] <Ken8521> greezmunkey, also, if you're using a theme you downloaded, it may be that that theme requires the buttons on the right... try selecting the default ubuntu theme(human) and see what happens
[07:40] <greezmunkey> Ken8521: No! I'm glad they didn't change - I was hoping they wouldn't so it's a nice suprise. I was just curious.
[07:40] <Ken8521> greezmunkey, even if they do, its an easy change to make, only takes 15sec
[07:41] <vivid> too bad the close highlight looks aweful
[07:41] <greezmunkey> Ken8521: why not!
[07:41] <Ken8521> why not?
[07:46] <greezmunkey> heh, wouldn't do it. But, that's okay and the least of what I have to worry about :)
[08:01] <doktoreas> is it possible to have a preview of an incoming email using evolution?
[08:06] <kklimonda> preview
[08:06] <kklimonda> ?
[08:08] <acuster> hey all, how do we file a bug via the web interface? I see a long list of how to file a bug for a program but not the interface we've been using for the past decade.
[08:09] <kklimonda> acuster: it's discouraged but if you really search you will find the way
[08:09] <rww> decade? orly?
[08:10] <doktoreas> kklimonda, reading message subject for example
[08:10] <rww> acuster: Read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[08:10] <acuster> wtf? ubuntu's decided they are smarter than all their users?
[08:10] <kklimonda> acuster: it has been decided to make apport the primary way of reporting bugs
[08:10] <acuster> rww, yeah, I just read that, tried various alternatives and they are all wrong
[08:11] <acuster> apport? /me tries
[08:11] <rww> acuster: umm. That page has instructions for filing via the web interface in it.
[08:11] <acuster> which sends me in a loop, right?
[08:11] <kklimonda> not really
[08:11] <acuster> ah, 'no-redirect
[08:12] <acuster> how painful. Thanks all.
[08:13] <balachmar> Hi, the installer does not seem to work on my laptop with intel i855 chipset
[08:14] <balachmar> I get the gdm loader (or how is it called) the screen with the circles turning orange. And when that stage is finished I end up with a black screen.
[08:14] <robertzaccour> hey yall
[08:16] <kklimonda> balachmar: try running it with nomodeset
[08:16] <kklimonda> balachmar: i.e. press key when cd boots, choose F6 and select nomodeset
[08:16] <acuster> Is there a keyword being used for the new system of quick booting?
[08:17] <balachmar> kklimonda: ok trying that now
[08:17] <kklimonda> acuster: probably not
[08:17] <kklimonda> acuster: you mean plymouth or ureadahead?
[08:17] <robertzaccour> is there a fix for this? http://i455.photobucket.com/albums/qq274/Knuckle_Brawler/Screenshot-4.png?t=1272265486
[08:18] <robertzaccour> i keep clicking run and it keeps coming back up
[08:18] <balachmar> kklimonda: no luck, will try acpi-off now
[08:18] <acuster> yeah, either, I have a bug related to the order that things happen under lucid
[08:18] <robertzaccour> it appears to download stuff then nothing just comes back up
[08:18] <acuster> thought you all might have agreed on a term I should add in the bug so it can be assigned to that group
[08:18] <kklimonda> acuster: hard to tell then - the init replacement used by ubuntu is called upstart
[08:18] <kklimonda> acuster: you don't really assign bugs to anyone
[08:19] <kklimonda> (other than package itself)
[08:19] <kklimonda> acuster: and what do you mean by the order that things happen exactly?
[08:21] <kklimonda> balachmar: you can also remove splash from the boot comman line (or however it's called) and see if that helps. disabling acpi should be the last thing to do
[08:22] <acuster> is there a list of launchpad Tags somewhere?
[08:22] <acuster> found it
[08:23] <BiggFREE> bbl
[08:23] <robertzaccour> xkill fixed it :)
[08:23] <BiggFREE> tc
[08:25] <balachmar> kklimonda: Well with karmic I also was not able to boot, except with acpi=off, or modeset + vesa driver. So I will install with acpi=off and then switch back to nomodeset + vesa afterwards
[08:27] <robertzaccour> so far in Lucid i had to change the grub script because the screen would randomly flicker at least once every few minutes
[08:28] <robertzaccour> whats up with so many bugs being released? i think the release scheduling is too rushed
[08:28] <robertzaccour> and an LTS should last at least 4 years
[08:29] <robertzaccour> goin to sleep
[08:29] <robertzaccour> later yall
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> The Sun is High, the Vampires down 0/
[08:48] <kklimonda> are they?
[08:48] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo_remote :)
[08:48] <BUGabundo_remote> :)
[08:48] <BUGabundo_remote> \m/
[08:50] <Gokul> upgrade to RC fails again and again and again and again.... says the reason as "ubuntu desktop to be removed but it is in removal blacklist"  I want to upgrade to RC.. how to do it ? trying for the past three days
[08:51] <Gokul> any ubuntuxpert here knows a way to help me ???
[09:03] <BUGabundo_remote> not sticking around, won't help you :|
[09:17] <mandrew> is there any problems with the bluez right now? i cant connect to my phone or tether with it :( im a newbie on linux ;)
[09:23] <Gartral> mandrew: what phone/carrier?
[09:24] <mandrew> i have a iphone with telia
[09:24] <slide> Can anyone help me get audio working inside ubuntu. I can hear the boot and login noises, but then nothing else works.
[09:24] <DASPRiD> poor mandrew :)
[09:24] <mandrew> it worked before
[09:28] <Gartral> mandrew: i think you need to tell ubuntu that your iphone is a "modem"
[09:30] <DASPRiD> you have to tell that? with android you just plug the phone in and ubuntu automatically / magically connects to the internet
[09:31] <mandrew> i had it working before
[09:31] <mandrew> and i got it sett up the same way still
[09:32] <alkisg> Hi, I'm using nfs for /home, and I'm getting "lock: no locks available" from apps trying to use ~/.pulse-cookie. This worked e.g. last week; does anyone have some idea what update could have broken it?
[09:33] <alkisg> If I switch to sshfs instead of nfs, it still works
[09:33] <alkisg> My exports line is :    /home	*(rw,sync,no_subtree_check)
[09:39] <alkisg> Is anyone using NFS /home without problems in an updated Ubuntu Lucid?
[09:46] <Nadley> hi, I have a question I'm on Ubuntu Lucid Lynx and I would like to install mysql-workbench and it required libmysqlclient15 and the version in the depository is libmysqlclient16 how can I install this software ?
[09:47] <alkisg> Nadley: don't know, but I've installed mysql-workbench-oss without problems
[09:49] <Nadley> alkisg: how did you do, I'm very interested
[09:50] <alkisg> Nadley: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mirror.php?id=386992#mirrors
[09:51] <Nadley> alkisg: thank I have now just to find the 64bit version
[09:51] <diverse_izzue> is it possible that gnome-shell doesn't work any longer on lucid now that glx has been reverted to 1.2 to fix this memory leak?
[09:52] <alkisg> Nadley: http://dev.mysql.com/downloads/mirror.php?id=386991#mirrors
[09:53] <Nadley> alkisg: I find it thank, I try to install it now, I version was older I think it was the problem
[09:54] <Nadley> thank you very much it works
[09:55] <quack2k> Folks: I want to upgrade a 9.10 machine to 10.04 RC. I have the 'alternate' RC on a memory stick. Can I use that at all or do I have to go the 'update-manager -d' route & effectively download the packages a 2nd time?
[09:56] <mvo> quack2k: if you copy the debs to /var/cache/apt/archives it should pick them up
[09:57] <kklimonda> quack2k: try launching cdromupgrade script from the cd
[09:58] <quack2k> ahhhh - the cdromupgrade script - *slaps head*... that's the trick I think
[09:58] <quack2k> I'm not used to playing with bootable USB sticks... and I guess Ubuntu isn't either... had it been a CD it would presumably have picked up on the script, same as it's always done for me in the past on prev upgrades
[10:01] <quack2k> thanks mvo, thanks kklimonda - script is running now... looks exactly what I wanted so I'll be shutting down now :-)
[10:05] <tomcolby> how can i prevent to nouveau to load?
[10:10] <Quietstorm> I have a Canon iP2600 and while ubuntu reports the page is printed, it fails to
[10:11] <alkisg> If I put "nolock" in /etc/fstab for my nfs mounted /home, it works - otherwise all apps hang when they try to access ~/.pulse-cookie.
[10:11] <Gryllida> hi
[10:11] <tadhg> heya
[10:11] <tadhg> Gryllida: sorry so stressed should be doing exam study
[10:12] <Quietstorm> hi
[10:12] <Gryllida> tadhg, it's ok, now put your question here in full, all in one line
[10:13] <barberan> Hello! I am running 10.04 rc under the Virtual Box, and I am not able to use proper screen resolution(I mean 1440x900) on my Toshiba P300 laptop! What should I do? It runs only as a 800 x 600 :(
[10:13] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Problems with resolution still?
[10:13] <tadhg> Ok so i have 10.04. The maximum resolution that I can get for the screen is 800x600. There is nothing in hardware drivers
[10:13] <tadhg> Jordan_U: heya man yeah - i read in a forum a 10.04 would solve it but its the same problem
[10:14] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Did you see my earlier comments about /etc/X11/xorg.conf?
[10:14] <Jordan_U> tadhg: I'd be surprised if sis support ever improves, you really do have the worst card possible :)
[10:15] <tadhg> Jordan_U: Yes i tried that suggestion, i tried installing drivers from here too http://ubuntuway.wordpress.com/2009/07/13/drivers-de-sis-771671-para-jaunty/
[10:19] <Jordan_U> tadhg: My old computer has full resolution working with a sis card and efifb, it's an ugly solution but it worked (untill I fried the CPU with something completely unrelated). Unfortunately I'd need to hook up my old hard drive to get the config and I need to get some sleep now. Will you be here tomorrow?
[10:20] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Sorry, I meant uvesafb, efifb is completely different.
[10:22] <tadhg> Jordan_U: uvesafb? No idea what that is? Na I cant spend any more time on this ill give it a few more hours then I just have to drop it
[10:22] <barberan> Jordan_U where should I add more screen resolutions, if I run 10.04 and I have not got "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file
[10:23] <Jordan_U> barberan: Install Virtual Box guest additions.
[10:24] <lynx458> hi
[10:24] <barberan> Jordan_U I've done it, and now I am improved from 800*600 to 1024*768
[10:24] <lynx458> is it possible again to install the nvidia binaries from nvidia.com on jaunty?
[10:24] <tadhg> barberan: yo what you do to sort it
[10:24] <lynx458> sorry i mean lucid lynx
[10:25] <barberan> tadhg I've launched 10.04 under virtual box, and installed virtual machine addons
[10:25] <barberan> Jordan_U so, where should I look next? ;)
[10:25] <tadhg> barberan: ah right we have different problems so
[10:26] <barberan> tadhg, have u installed virt. machine addons ?
[10:26] <tadhg> barberan: I have the full o/s installed
[10:27] <barberan> wow
[10:28] <barberan> tadhg, and where is "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" there, in 10.04 ?
[10:30] <tadhg> barberan: i dont understand the question what would you like me to do
[10:30] <barberan> tadhg, I can not find the famous "/etc/X11/xorg.conf" file !
[10:31] <mandrew> how do i just update the bluez?
[10:33] <Jordan_U> tadhg: I'll give you what I can off the top of my head and hopefully you can run run with it from there. You need to install v86d, you may need to add uvesafb and v86d to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules (I'm not sure if this is neccisary but it shouldn't hurt anything) then run "sudo update-initramfs -uk all". Change the Driver "vesa" in /etc/X11/Xorg.conf to Driver "vesafb". Add "video=uvesafb:1024x768" to your kernel parameters
[10:34] <tadhg> Jordan_U: can you give me a quick description as to how id do that please?
[10:35] <tadhg> barberan: im just grateful for the good peoples time in helping me
[10:35] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Write that down as I will be leaving soon and won't be able to repeat it, did all of the message come through? (it should have ended with "sudo update-grub".)
[10:35] <tadhg> Jordan_U: No sorry can you stick in in a paste bin
[10:35] <Quietstorm> I have a Canon iP2600 that while it indicates that it is working, it will not print although it says it is.
[10:37] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Yes, http://pastebin.com/gdj7eu3a.
[10:37] <balachmar> Could someone please have a look at my apt problems here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9175833#post9175833 It seems that I have a corrupted file in my Perl installation, which prevents me from installing libc
[10:37] <moomoo83> omg this is driving me nuts
[10:38] <moomoo83> does anybody else in here use the elementary-monochrome icon theme??
[10:38] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Sorry that's all the help I can give right now, good luck.
[10:38] <tadhg> Jordan_U: thanks
[10:39] <Jordan_U> tadhg: You're welcome.
[10:39] <tadhg> Jordan_U: sorry theresa nothing in there!
[10:40] <Jordan_U> tadhg: I just checked and the link works, maybe your client added the period to the url, http://pastebin.com/gdj7eu3a
[10:45] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Fixed small typo: http://pastebin.com/MzPH3h2e
[10:45] <balachmar> Hi I have a corrupted file /var/share/perl5/Debconf/Db.pm apt keeps complaining about it, how can I fix it? reinstalling perl-bae using dpkg -i did not work. see for more info: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9175833#post9175833
[10:46] <tadhg> hey i have no idea how to do any of that so ill have to leave you off dude
[10:48] <Jordan_U> tadhg: Last question, did you get my message about the filename bein /etc/X11/xorg.conf rather than /etc/Xll/xorg.conf? (it should be the number eleven, not two ell's)
[10:49] <tadhg> Jordan_U: yea - i just dont know how to do any of that sorry man
[10:50] <barberan> Guys, what If I have not god /etc/X11/xorg.conf file
[10:57] <crazybaz> hey, can anybody help me, im installing beta1,2 and rc of 10.04 on my raid0, and after installation finished, first run begin restart in loop, help! =)
[10:57] <yofel_> barberan: create one yourself, ubuntu doesn't have a xorg.conf by default unless you install any proprietary graphics drivers
[10:58] <barberan> thank you
[10:58] <c0vert> the loading bar in update manager now turns black and white while searching for updates..does that count as a bug?
[10:59] <c0vert> i see plymouth, mountall and intel updates this morning..should i be excited?
[10:59] <Bearman> hi, why is the panel locked in UNR 10.04 and how can I unlock it?
[11:00] <Egonis> I'm trying to connect to a 128-bit WEP WiFi Router, and get asked for the password after each connection attempt. I have tested this same configuration and password on the same PC running Win7 with no issue
[11:02] <gartral> what is WRONG with ubuntu.. i dont have networking on start, i have too disable both interfaces, and bring one back online. but the moment i bring eth1 back up. BANG both start failing again.. this is a serious issue that has been present for years, and been pointed out time after time.. why the hell aint it fixed.
[11:04] <c0vert> for years?
[11:05] <c0vert> something tells if if it's been years you're doing something seriously wrong
[11:06] <Bearman> Does anyone know how to unlock panel widgets in UNR 10.04? I would like to add a desktop switcher.
[11:06] <gartral> c0vert: how do you set it up.. cause it has never worked out of the box..
[11:08] <joaopinto> gartral, what is the bug nr ?
[11:08] <gartral> c0vert: the closest iv'e found too a fix is binding the interfaces.. which is an ancient and unused networking method
[11:10] <gartral> joaopinto: two interface mobo, two cat5 cables going to two ports of the same router.. turn both interfaces on and you will have the same issue im seeing.. no networking, at all.. sometimes spilling over to lo and crashing the system
[11:11] <joaopinto> gartral, if you didn't reported the bug your complains are a bit of context, problems don't get fixed unless they are known :)
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> lets say it's a bug in the router
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> :)
[11:11] <joaopinto> out of
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> for that, you will need to use eth binding
[11:11] <BUGabundo_remote> which I bet you aren't
[11:12] <yofel> I have a bug in my router here: connect both eth cards in my desktop with the router -> shutdown my desktop -> router crashes
[11:12] <joaopinto> you can't have two interfaces on the same network using regular ethernet networking
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: LOL
[11:13] <gartral> BUGabundo_remote: i havent found any info regarding this on the 2WIRE 3800HGV-B and it works properly in windows and bsd... just not linux
[11:13] <yofel> joaopinto: I know, I wanted to see what happens, NM just discards the older connection and uses the last connected one
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> windows accepts two links to the same network??
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> that would be a 1st
[11:13] <gartral> so does BSD
[11:14] <BUGabundo_remote> last time I saw that happen, the entire building lost network
[11:14] <gartral> my ping times drop in both when the two interfaces are working
[11:14] <yofel> joaopinto: I didn't expect my router to hard freeze though on shutdown o.O
[11:14] <BUGabundo_remote> due to arp repeats
[11:14] <joaopinto> gartral, just because it works on some other OS it doesn't mean it should, specially when it is not expected to work from a network perspective
[11:14] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: at least not without binding
[11:15] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, that is not "regular" networking :)
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> true
[11:15] <joaopinto> at it's usually referred as bonding :P
[11:15] <gartral> BUGabundo_remote, joaopinto but the mobo was sold with the dual nic as a lag-reduction feature, and i do see a difference in games in windows.. and tests in bsd reflect the improvement.. so yes, id'e say this is a feature distinctly missing in ubuntu
[11:15] <BUGabundo_remote> actually depends on the OS
[11:16] <joaopinto> gartral, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Channel_bonding
[11:16] <BUGabundo_remote> gartral: then I guess the *board* needs special settings in the linux kernel
[11:16] <joaopinto> it depends on OS and switch/router whatever support
[11:17] <joaopinto> on Linux it requires specific configuration, is not something expected to work out of the box, because again, it's not regular network, not all switches/routers support it
[11:17] <BUGabundo_remote> I mean the name it gets called.....
[11:17] <joaopinto> http://www.cyberciti.biz/howto/question/static/linux-ethernet-bonding-driver-howto.php
[11:17] <joaopinto> :P
[11:18] <gartral> joaopinto: well im seeing a ton of boxes with multiple nic interfaces on board.. mine is so special it has 3 seperated BIOSes
[11:18] <joaopinto> gartral, the issue is not multiple NICs, it is multiple NICs on the SAME LAN
[11:18] <joaopinto> you don't find tons of boxes with multiple NICs on the same lan
[11:19] <gartral> joaopinto: then why does it work in every other os, even sold as an enhancement in windows. and not work in linux?
[11:19] <gartral> s/in/with
[11:19] <joaopinto> gartral, I don't know about the other OSes, about linux I already explained you, regular networking has a single IP<->MAC relation, and you can't do it with multiple NICs on the same LAN
[11:20] <joaopinto> that would be similar to a regular IP conflict
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> not that similar
[11:20] <joaopinto> however, channel bounding is supported at the OS level with certain switches/routers, it is supported in Linux as long you set it up
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> but the routes would be mad
[11:21] <gartral> joaopinto: but it works on windows, no issue, it works in bsd, no issue, i load linux, and theres a chance the os fails too boot.. what is wrong with here.. at the least, it should display a common warning like "make sure you UNPLUG an interface before booting"
[11:21] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, it is similar, you would have 2 MAC address with the same IP, wether those MACs are from the same host or different, it's irrelevant :)
[11:21] <gartral> joaopinto: but each interface has it's own MAC
[11:22] <joaopinto> gartral, right, but "plain" routing tables only map 1 IP to 1 MAC
[11:22] <gartral> and they both get seperate ips in windows..
[11:22] <joaopinto> ah, that's not bounding
[11:22] <gartral> well i knew that
[11:23] <dk2test> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Link_aggregation
[11:23] <yofel> well, for me if I plug both in they get both seperate IPs and the first connection gets ignored. All traffic goes over the last connected one
[11:24] <joaopinto> that depends on your route table, which will point to a single IP
[11:24] <yofel> ah, makes sense
[11:25] <gartral> then why doesnt my systemm do that
[11:25] <joaopinto> gartral, anyway we are not network experts here, if you have a feature on other OS that you feel is missing on Ubuntu you really should file a bug report :)
[11:26] <gartral> joaopinto: hold on, i'll dig up the copy of this bug from 6.06... it's THAT old
[11:27] <gartral> that is if it's still around
[11:27] <joaopinto> it should be around unless the reported did not care about it :)
[11:28] <dk2test> gartral: IEEE 802.1AX is not widely used among end users.
[11:29] <gartral> dk2test: seeing as i dont even know what that is, i'll go ahead and believe you
[11:32] <BUGabundo_remote> ahaha
[11:33] <gartral> BUGabundo_remote: there's no need to laugh at me dude
[11:36] <dk2test> I think it makes sense to simplify the usage of several NICs on a single LAN, but I can't remember seeing any OS that do that in a end user friendly way
[11:37] <dk2test> My guess is that few end users in a home setting have switches that supports it. But I might be wrong
[11:37] <gartral> dk2test: XP sp3 and win 7 rtm both run great, freebsd runs out of the box fine
[11:37] <dk2test> gartral: Any documentation? I would like to see how they do it
[11:38] <gartral> dk2test: if it's a switch problem, then why does windows, and a windows-unlike os work fine, well linux is bust chasing it's own tail?
[11:38] <gartral> dk2test: i havent found any, but i havent looked that hard as bsd gives me a headach
[11:39] <Moc> anyway to get laptop Fn+ key to work again in 10.04 ?
[11:39] <gartral> Moc: depends, what laptop? my acer d250 worked out of the box
[11:40] <Moc> gartral: Dell Latitude E6400
[11:40] <Moc> I can't switch my video output
[11:41] <gartral> Moc: ok lemme lok around
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> Moc: does buttons actually work??
[11:41] <Moc> BUGabundo_remote: it fine when I boot in 9.10
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> never manage to get that work in any mvidia
[11:41] <dk2test> gartral: There are many hacks and half way solutions, but  standardized solutions like IEEE 802.1AX-2008 seems less common
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> always have to use nvidia settings
[11:41] <Moc> BUGabundo_remote: I use it all the time since I use a docking station (use nvidia quadro also)
[11:42] <gartral> BUGabundo_remote: not if he's on nuavo or w/e it's called.. which is also standard for 10.04
[11:42] <xXedixXx> Helllo
[11:42] <xXedixXx> Is anyone aware of the rt2860 wireless issues in Lucid?
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> what haven't rt cards been a problem? ehe
[11:43] <xXedixXx> Well, in 9.10 my rt2860 works fine, but when I went to 10.04 it constantly asked me for the WPA key and wouldn't connect.
[11:44] <gartral> Moc: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/535348
[11:44] <yofel> odd, my rt2860 works fine here, nm-applet broken
[11:44] <yofel> ?
[11:44] <xXedixXx> Huh yofel?
[11:44] <xXedixXx> Have you manually updated the drivers or anything?
[11:44] <yofel> xXedixXx: anything interesting in dmesg? the driver does put a lot of debug stuff there
[11:45] <xXedixXx> dmesg?
[11:45] <yofel> xXedixXx: no, modinfo rt2860sta tells me 1.8.1.1
[11:45] <xXedixXx> I'm back on 9.10 now btw.
[11:45] <xXedixXx> I'm also on 1.8.1.1
[11:45] <xXedixXx> What computer model do you have?
[11:45] <yofel> EeePC 1000H
[11:45] <xXedixXx> I've got EeePC 901
[11:46] <xXedixXx> I really want to upgrade to 10.04 but the wireless is just holding me back..
[11:46] <Moc> gartral: interesting..
[11:47] <Moc> I tried to bios update but it didn't work in linux :(
[11:47] <yofel> xXedixXx: anyway: the 'dmesg' command will print the kernel log, and the rt2860sta driver is built in a semi-debug mode by default
[11:47] <gartral> Moc: it *could* be that the switch>switch back is happening so fast you dont really notice it
[11:48] <yofel> xXedixXx: so you'll see a bunch of errors when the network fails, if that will tell you something is another question though
[11:48] <gartral> also, theres something wrong with usb power in ubuntu. my phone isnt getting enough power to charge, and i know it's plugged into the same high power port it was plugged into when windows was running
[11:49] <yofel> it fails from time to time here if the connection quality isn't high enough (on the network-rescan I think), but works fine otherwise
[11:49] <xXedixXx> Hmm
[11:49] <xXedixXx> Well, a lot of stuff comes up with demsg
[11:50] <gartral> xXedixXx: try dmesg | grep tr 2860
[11:51] <gartral> xXedixXx: try dmesg | grep rt2860
[11:51] <gartral> sorry
[11:53] <xXedixXx> Ty ^
[11:53] <xXedixXx> Erm.
[11:53] <xXedixXx> Don't know what that's meant to tell me.
[11:54] <xXedixXx> [    8.665770] rt2860sta: module is from the staging directory, the quality is unknown, you have been warned.
[11:54] <xXedixXx> [    8.781408] rt2860 0000:01:00.0: PCI INT A -> GSI 19 (level, low) -> IRQ 19
[11:54] <xXedixXx> [    8.782165] rt2860 0000:01:00.0: setting latency timer to 64
[12:02] <red> Does anyone know a decent vnc/anything like vnc solution to use my home PCs programs remotely? Namely want to run geany and nautilus for some programming stuff from a Windows machine, thats firewalled. Choices available are HTTP proxy, but couldnt get it to work with NXClient, or SSH tunneling via schools ssh server -> home server.
[12:02] <gartral> also, theres something wrong with usb power in ubuntu. my phone isnt getting enough power to charge, and i know it's plugged into the same high power port it was plugged into when windows was running
[12:02] <gartral> red: have you tryed a remote x server?
[12:06] <joaopinto> remote X is overkilling
[12:07] <gartral> joaopinto: no, overkilling it would be running a dedicated satilite link to bypass the firewall
[12:08] <joaopinto> gartral, overkilling in the sense that it's performance is terrible
[12:08] <gartral> joaopinto: that strictly a matter of link speed
[12:09] <SandGorgon> does kubuntu 10.04 have pulseaudio or does it have its own sound server ?
[12:09] <gartral> SandGorgon: pulse
[12:09] <joaopinto> gartral, it's unusable in the same link where terminal services is usable
[12:10] <SandGorgon> gartral, in my Sound and Video configuration, I dont have pulse - I have "Xine" in the backend and "Audio Output" section has HDA Intel and "Jack" . Where is pulse ?
[12:12] <yofel> SandGorgon: you're using KDE, which uses phonon I guess
[12:12] <yofel> gnome uses pulseaudio by default, KDE not
[12:13] <alkisg> red: if you have port forwarding problems, you can use reverse vnc connectinos
[12:13] <Quietstorm> hi yofel
[12:13] <SandGorgon> yofel, actually I'm debugging my suspend/resume issue vs Gnome... I see the resume hooks in KDE have Pulseaudio missing and packagekit as an extra. So just wondering if the issue could be one of those.
[12:13] <alkisg> Otherwise neatx has the best performance for low bandwidth connections...
[12:13] <SandGorgon> yofel, so there is no pulse to speak of
[12:14] <yofel> SandGorgon: I'm not 100% sure there, but KDE has phonon as a mixer backend and doesn't require pulseaudio, so it shouldn't be installed by default
[12:14] <SandGorgon> yofel, well removed packagekit resume... here goes nothing ;)
[12:15] <Quietstorm> I am having an issue with a canon ip2600, while the O/S reports the printer is working, when I ask it to print a page, it will report the page printed but it has not printed it.
[12:16] <Quietstorm> sorry, it is a Pixma iP2600
[12:28] <gartral> huh.. the cpu frequency monitor for gnome-panel doesn't show the overcloced portion of a cpu, and every attempt to use it to tune the cpu will result in the cpu capping at it's stock clock, intead of the overclocked settings
[12:29] <Dregin> hi, how do I stop my screen from auto-locking in 10.04?
[12:30] <gartral> any way too tell the system my cores are supposed to run at 3.1 ghz, not 2.8?
[12:30] <Dimmuxx> system->preferences->screensaver->lock screen when screensaver is active
[12:34] <lukus> hi
[12:35] <lukus> is lucid stable enough to use on a day to day basis?
[12:36] <kklimonda> lukus: if you really care about stability wait few months until 10.04.1 is released. 10.04 is stable for most daily tasks but as always ymmv
[12:37] <Dregin> Dimmuxx: thank you :)
[12:39] <Voffko> hi 2 all
[12:39] <lukus> kklimonda; are you using lucid on a daily basis?
[12:39] <kklimonda> yes
[12:41] <Voffko> I have a problem with touchpad on my netbook Acer One 532h.  It does not work. Version 10,04 RC. Can you help me?
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. works on my AA0 - but its an older version
[12:42] <Voffko> first he worked)
[12:43] <DJones> Has anybody come across an issue with Lucid in which booting after an install or from a liveUSB gets through grub, then displays 2 icons at the bottom of the screen and then just halts with a black screen, no key combo's work, no mouse pointer.  The same happens using a kubuntu liveUSB. With ubuntu I don't even get the try or install menu unless I time pressing escape right, kubuntu at least gives that menu.  I can install with an alternate cd but on
[12:43] <Voffko> then connect the mouse, turned off the touchpad .... Now it can not run
[12:44] <lukus> kklimonda; thanks for the info
[12:44] <robin0800> Voffko: install pointing device from the buntu software centre
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> DJones:  2 icons being a circle and a little rectangle (i think)  ones a keyboard,  not sure what other is..
[12:46] <DJones> Dr_Willis: Yep, thats the ones, the keyboard and the 2nd one I thought looked like an icon of a man with arms & legs outstretched
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> those appear for me below the grub menu.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> seems grub is  part way working or somthing for you
[12:47] <Voffko> mmm.... i have one more problem.... Ubuntu can not load package Translation-ru.  ALways Progress 0%.
[12:47] <Voffko> from different mirrors
[12:48] <DJones> Dr_Willis: Possibly, I know the machine has a failing hdd but I get the same problem whether the drive is installed or not, with 9.10 thats quite happy either way
[12:48] <alkisg> I'm having problems mounting /home with the default NFS options, i.e. locks don't work and programs hang. Everything works fine if I use the "nolock" option, though. Is that a known problem?
[12:48] <alkisg> In my server logs I'm seeing:
[12:48] <alkisg> Apr 26 14:48:43 alkis kernel: [20616.512169] statd: server rpc.statd not responding, timed out
[12:48] <alkisg> Apr 26 14:48:43 alkis kernel: [20616.512203] lockd: cannot monitor ltsp61
[12:48] <alkisg> Any clues?
[12:49] <alkisg> That started after I updated today - it was working e.g. last week.
[12:50] <pirx> has anyone tried running Lucid in VirtualBox? it seems to hang right at the beginning when it is switching screen from that first purple screen (i.e. i am not able to even boot the iso)
[12:50] <alkisg> pirx: works fine for me (beta 2 iso I think)
[12:51] <Enlik> Hm, sot sure if it's the best place to ask for that, since I entered this channel... :) Where should I submit a bug about an ugly typo in app (Midnight Commander) translation? In Launchpad, as a bug related to mc, or somewhere in a place dedicated for translations? (I hope somewhere in Launchpad, I have an account there yet ;p).
[12:51] <Enlik> * but since I entered here, I'll ask here.
[12:53] <Enlik> s/yet/already/
[12:53] <alkisg> Enlik: see the .po file, it contains a "last translator" field, which is probably a local team in your country. You'd get the best results if you reported it there.
[12:54] <maverick340> using 10.04 i386
[12:54] <maverick340> ubiquity wont start for me  :(
[12:54] <maverick340> RC
[12:54] <Enlik> alkisg, OK, thanks!
[12:55] <alkisg> Enlik: which language is that?
[12:55] <Enlik> Polish
[12:55] <alkisg> "Last-Translator: Andrzej Zaborowski <balrog@zabor.org>\n"
[12:55] <alkisg> "Language-Team: Polish <debian-l10n-polish@lists.debian.org>\n"
[12:56] <Enlik> It's a typo, but an ugly one. Hm, which address one should I choose, then? ;)
[12:56] <alkisg> Both?
[12:56] <Enlik> OK, thanks again.
[12:56] <alkisg> np
[12:56] <om26er> maverick340, when you start it from terminal what do you see?
[12:57] <maverick340> hang on
[12:59] <maverick340> inhibit all poling afailed
[13:00] <maverick340> i am using a live usb
[13:00] <om26er> maverick340, you could try to start the live cd again and also did you !md5 the iso file
[13:01] <maverick340> nope did not verify it
[13:01] <maverick340> let me try that
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. More plymouth updates it seems :)
[13:03] <patdk-wk> yep
[13:03]  * Dr_Willis wonders at the people in #ubuntu that somehow manage to have a power failure while upgradeing a laptop
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Seen like 5 that had it happen in the last few weeks.
[13:04] <patdk-wk> heh
[13:13] <Voffko> Ðóññêèå òóò åñòü? )
[13:15] <DJones> Dr_Willis: Just been looking at bug reports re the black screen at boot, seems like its a known problem thats been going on for a couple of weeks. Bugg 568779 seems a good reference, I'll try & get into failsafe mode & try that
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> theres been so many bugs and issues with booting/screen issues with plymouth and so forth. i cant keep track ;0
[13:20] <SandGorgon> finally... working suspend/resume in Kubuntu 10.04. Had to blacklist intel_agpgart and put NvAGP in xorg.conf
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> ive not tested that on my netbook.. yet
[13:20] <mungojerry> anyone seen problems with ctrl-alt-f1-f6 not working? i am using nvidia gfx card
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo +1
[13:22] <SandGorgon> NvAGP issue was a bug put out in 2006.. it is opened and unassigned ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-173/+bug/34043 )
[13:22] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: what nvidia chip are you using?
[13:23] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, XPS 1210 .. nvidia 7400
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: my 6150 onboard runs fine with the 195 driver, why not give that a go
[13:24] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: if you add the nvidia vpau ppa and run: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-185   you will get the 195 driver (no idea why)
[13:24] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, I _am_ running nvidia-current (195.36.15)..
[13:25] <erkan^> on 29th April come Ubuntu 10.04 ?
[13:25] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, but major issues with suspend/resume - which laptop are u using ?
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: is an asus p1-ah2 pundit
[13:25] <ActionParsnip> erkan^: yes
[13:25] <erkan^> ok
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: desktop barebone pc, not laptop.
[13:26] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, desktop? are you using suspend/resume ?
[13:26] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: i just leave it on, it uses 45W power on idle :)
[13:27] <bjsnider> ActionParsnip, don't tell people to add the vdpau ppa to get the nvidia driver in lucid, please. tell them to use jockey.
[13:27] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, heh... no what I meant was that then you arent facing the issue I am. the driver worked fine.. suspend/resume didnt
[13:28] <ActionParsnip> SandGorgon: then create an xorg.conf and add the setting to solve the issue. sudo nvidia-xconfig   can make you one
[13:29] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, I did... all that. But until the blacklisting of intel_agp and enabling nvagp.. I could'nt simply  get it to work. I tried everything
[13:29] <SandGorgon> ActionParsnip, this is in reference to suspend/resume in particular
[13:29] <ActionParsnip> i see
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> its really hard to get nice and imho hardly worth it
[13:30] <Italian_Plumber1> any showstoppers on the release candidate yet?
[13:30] <ActionParsnip> Italian_Plumber1: define "showstopper"
[13:31] <Italian_Plumber1> something that requires many programmers to work around the clock between now and Thursday at (random time)
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> Its working decently well on my 3 machines.
[13:32] <switchgirl> how can i find out the BIOS version without rebooting?
[13:32] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: sudo lshw | head -n 30    it wil be there someplace
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: sudo lshw | head -n 21 | tail -n 1
[13:33] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: works here :)
[13:33] <SandGorgon> switchgirl,  hal-get-property --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer --key system.firmware.version
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> I recall some bios info tools also in the repos
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> !info libx264
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: bit quicker than mine, mines a bit hacky but works :)
[13:34] <ActionParsnip> !find 264
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Hmm..  May be some updates..
[13:34]  * patdk-wk sleeps at his desk
[13:34] <aldacalam> hey guys, did you even asked for you this question : "what was the exactly date and time of my installation?" This is useful when you want to show that your Systems are fine for a long time no?
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Oh wait. its from the webupd8.com repo i am having a bug with that package it seems
[13:37] <James_> Afternoon all
[13:37] <James_> How's the RC looking?
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> it works. ;)
[13:38] <ActionParsnip> James_: s'alreet
[13:39] <theadmin> Whatever you guys did with transmission, I don't like it. How can I revert to the old behaviour?
[13:39] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/422753/
[13:39] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: whats the old behaviour?
[13:39] <switchgirl> are there BIOS versions newer to that that i have?
[13:40] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Left click = show transmission, right click = menu. Now, it's left click = show menu, right click = do nothing
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: yeah i noticed that, left click then gotta click show transmission
[13:40] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: is that what you mean
[13:40] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Yeah kind of
[13:41] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: not sure, i just roll with it, i mainly talk to transmission via the webui
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: head to the manufacturers site to check
[13:42] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Oh well :D It's not like I torrent stuff often... bleh this 5 gig file will take ages to download with my speed :(
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: there is no blanket answer
[13:42] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: well torents can be paused so its alllll gurrrrd
[13:42] <switchgirl> the BOIS manufatoerer or the motheroard?
[13:43] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Yeah, right, but i gotta download it before the release time, cause after that I'll clear my hard drive out and do a clean install :P So no pausing
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: the system if its a branded thing (ie Dell)
[13:43] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: gotcha
[13:44] <duffydack> There is still a compiz problem with adding rules in Place windows
[13:44] <switchgirl> no it just says Phoenix Technologies, LTD
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> duffydack:  i noticed some issues in the compiz settings the other day also
[13:45] <patdk-wk> phoenix is the bios
[13:45] <patdk-wk> you need to go to the motherboard maker website
[13:45] <ActionParsnip> switchgirl: phoenix make bios' does you pc have a make and model
[13:45] <Quietstorm> I'm having some issue with printing with a Canon Pixma iP2600
[13:45] <duffydack> adding a rule for say fixed placement and grabbing the window to add just adds class=   so you have to add it yourself..
[13:45] <switchgirl> not that i'm awair of
[13:46] <alkisg> OK my problem with NFS was that statd wasn't running. Maybe it's an upstart problem. Can someone with NFS try this? : status statd
[13:47] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: The canon site has a linux driver :)
[13:47] <theadmin> Can anyone explain how this thing manages to boot so quick? lol I can't even grab a drink while it boots now cause it's so fast
[13:47] <a16BitSoft> anyone have "Gobi Loader" working on 10.04 RC ?
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  voodoo
[13:49] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: :D Or more like removal of HAL and Upstart... how does one even say it? enbestments...
[13:49] <yofel> alkisg: it's running here, I don't use locks here though, maybe it isn't started early enough?
[13:49] <Quietstorm> ActionParsnip, I used the 2.90 but it is a 32 bit driver and I have a 64 bit system.
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> I still think theres a few parts of hal..
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> and Upstart is definatly still there.
[13:49] <alkisg> yofel: thanks - I'll reboot to recheck
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: then you may have to use a 32bit OS to acommodate your printer
[13:50] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: I mean, like "Removal of HAL, and Upstart ...errr... dunno the word, well, better-makings"
[13:50] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: if canon won't support 64bit then you are stuck
[13:50] <andiolsi> hi, i have no '@' in opera and firefox, but it works in gterm, ooffice and pidgin.  im using an apple aluminum usb keyboard and have remapped some of the keys via xmodmap to make it behave like a pc-keyboard
[13:50] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: And there are no things which require HAL in default install of GNOME-ish Ubuntu
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  i think there was a discussion of this the other day.. there were some things that needed it.. but i dident pay much attention
[13:51] <Quietstorm> ActionParsnip, thanks, I replace with an HP
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> I DO see on the easypeasy release (just came out) notes. that they claim complate removal of HAL.
[13:51] <yofel> Dr_Willis: not in the ubuntu default install, KDE is one thing that still needs it for example
[13:51] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: if you just use the ppd does that not work on 64bit?
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> I did see some HAl updates just a little bit ago. but this is a Gnome+KDE+other box.
[13:52] <yofel> Dr_Willis: and hal won't be started unless you're actually using something that needs it
[13:52] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: extract the rpm using: rpm2cpio ./cnijfilter-ip2500series-2.70-1.i386.rpm | cpio -dimv
[13:52] <om26er> pitivi still uses HAL
[13:53] <yofel> om26er: wait, wasn't that in the default install o.O?
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: then in /path/you/extracted/to/usr/share/cups/model there is a PPD file named canonip2500.ppd, does that not work
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> thats what i was just thinking. :)
[13:53] <om26er> yofel, yes it is
[13:53] <yofel> err....
[13:53] <yofel> how is that complete hal removal then...
[13:53] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: i can pastebin the file if you want
[13:53] <theadmin> Pitivi... who the heck actually made it? lol, can't find ANY data on that
[13:54] <om26er> theadmin, collabora maybe
[13:54] <yofel> well, pitivi doesn't work for me anyway
[13:54] <felon> does anyone know of a good working WBFS Manager for (ubuntu) ..
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> yofel:  from what i read in the notes and stuff they neer said a complete remoal. ;) but  its all relative i guess
[13:54] <Quietstorm> ActionParsnip, I used the debs and install that way
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: try the ppd, its basic but should work. you shouldnt install 32bit debs on 64bit OS
[13:55] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: here is the ppd file: http://pastebin.com/9B5DpKba
[13:55] <yofel> Dr_Willis: indeed, I guess hal not running by default is enough to call it removal ^^
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> joy - plug in usb flash drive.. it dosent automount...
[13:56] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: thats all you really need, remove the deb stuff you installed and use that ppd, it will be an option in the printer install process
[13:56] <eremite> Why cant I use just the volume applet instead of the new ugly notification applet, with it's spaced out icons?  Or how about how rythmbox only opens minimized to the tray now?
[13:56] <felon> anyone using WBFS Manager in Ubuntu ?
[13:56] <joaopinto> felon, what is WBFS ?
[13:56] <eremite> Is it possibel to fix this?
[13:56] <theadmin> meh, what really worries me is the upcoming GNOME 3 thing
[13:57] <theadmin> omg USC has a LOT more apps in lucid o_O
[13:57] <ActionParsnip> eremite: i read a guy's post about the minimisation of rythmnbox
[13:58] <Quietstorm> ActionParsnip, How do I use the ppd?
[13:58] <felon> joaopinto : its a wii iso manager to add files to a WBFS wii partition on a usb or HDD Drive
[13:58] <eremite> Its very annoying, and middle click doesnt even work with the tray icons anymore, and the notification applet forces you to space out icons instead of a compact and neat sys tray.
[13:58] <ActionParsnip> Quietstorm: when you use the add printer item in admin it is an option to use ppd
[13:58] <joaopinto> felon, I don't thinkg you will find anyone using that around :)
[13:59] <theadmin> eremite: They are removing the tray anyway in 11.04
[13:59] <eremite> theadmin: and replacing it with?
[13:59] <theadmin> eremite: Bunch of menus
[14:00] <eremite> theadmin: that's dumb.
[14:00] <eremite> I recall reading a post about that now.
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> or it may be the coolest thing...
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> hard to tell what will really happen
[14:00] <eremite> It sounds like it's extra clicks, which is dumb.
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> 'a mouse? who would ever want to use a mouse' .....
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:00] <eremite> Most people.
[14:00] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: windows users ;)
[14:01]  * Dr_Willis polishes his collection of ps2 mice
[14:01] <eremite> I havent been a windows user for a long time, and I use the mouse.  Most peopel use the mouse, unless you are stuck in a terminall all day.
[14:01]  * Dr_Willis goes back to using C64 basic with a Joystick
[14:01] <theadmin> Alt+F1 and navigate around with keyboard...that's what i usually do
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> eremite:  i can recall when a mouse was a 'new fangled gizmo' :)
[14:02] <eremite> Dr_Willis: I remember my first scroll ball.
[14:02] <patdk-wk> heh, setting up serial port mice, what fun
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> and when 2 mouse buttons were the norm.. then we had this fancy 3 button mice..  and then we fall back.. and had a wheel that rarely worked..
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> Now this mouse i got now = 2 wheels, and like 5 buttons
[14:03]  * patdk-wk just used a tablet, nice 16 button mouse on that :)
[14:03] <eremite> The wheel is essential to computers for me.
[14:03] <eremite> 3 buttons and a wheel is perfect for me.
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> some of the wheels on some of these mice are  very unuseable..  dependign on hwo the maker did it.
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> middle clicked worked on this one for a change. :)
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> middle click not schroll! you silly mouse!
[14:04] <eremite> Middle clicks has worked on every mouse Ive owned, like 10 of them.
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> yea it works but some times the wheels are designed in a poor way that makes it hard to middle click properly
[14:04] <ActionParsnip> get a mac mouse, 1 button only, gives them less choice like their compatible hardware :D
[14:04] <eremite> Not at all, my wheels are fine.  They click fine and scroll smoothly.
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> actually i saw mac mice whiths  a special button just for the Widgits
[14:05] <eremite> Thats silly.
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> eremite:  that means that ALL mice in the world are exactly perfext then? :)
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> widgits.. gotta love that trend also.
[14:05] <eremite> Are you trying to starw man me?  I didnt say that.
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> You said 'not at all' :)
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> where did i see a mose at that had a whold keyboard on it.. :)
[14:06] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/422765/
[14:06] <switchgirl> no idea what to look for
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> switchgirl:  what was the actual issue?
[14:06] <eremite> Where did I say "not at all"?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis>  eremite | Not at all, my wheels are fine.
[14:06] <switchgirl> Dr_Willis, i want to speed the boot time up
[14:07] <Dr_Willis> switchgirl:  and this post is for what exactly?
[14:07] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: let me know if you manage to do that
[14:07] <eremite> I see, now.  I guess I dont buy crappy hardware.
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> switchgirl:  and what are you trying to do to make it any faster?
[14:08] <om26er> wait for maverick ;)
[14:09] <switchgirl> Dr_Willis,  update / gtrade the BIOS
[14:09] <eremite> Is boot time really that much of a concern for people?  How often are you actually turing off your computer that will make an extra 3 seconds shaved off of boot time matter?
[14:09] <om26er> eremite, it matter
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> switchgirl:   the pc's main bios you mean?
[14:09] <patdk-wk> eremite, 3/4 times a day?
[14:09] <theadmin> eremite: I won't turn this poor thing off for the entire week.
[14:10] <switchgirl> yeh
[14:10] <SandGorgon> eremite, no shit really.. I wish suspend/resume was optimized rather than boot time... or wireless drivers
[14:10] <switchgirl> eremite, your nick makes me think of marmite :P
[14:10] <eremite> Im only at a 2 day uptime right now due to a power outage, but this old junker is on all the time.
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> switchgirl:  most of th time the PC/bios/mb makers have tools that show the bios versions and what updates are avail
[14:10] <eremite> switchgirl: what is marmite?
[14:11] <switchgirl> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marmite
[14:12] <eremite> It looks like mollasses made out of beer.  I'm sold.
[14:12] <eremite> oh crap, its just Vegemite.
[14:13] <yofel> oh hey, we have new iso dailies :D
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> Hmm I can see my Mb bios versions with
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> sudo dmidecode  | less
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> bue
[14:16] <xXedixXx> Hello
[14:16] <xXedixXx> Anyone here using rt2860 wireless card with Lucid?
[14:17] <om26er> xXedixXx, no but if you state the exact problem someone here might know the solution
[14:18] <xXedixXx> It's just that when I upgraded to Lucid before, my wireless wouldn't connect and kept asking for the WPA key over and over again.
[14:18] <xXedixXx> I might try to upgrade again though.
[14:19] <xXedixXx> If I reinstall 9.10 (if the wireless still doesn't work) will it keep my installed programs and files?
[14:19] <yofel> xXedixXx: can you try wicd too then just  to make sure it's not a network manager problem?
[14:19] <yofel> xXedixXx: installed programs: no, installed files: yes (unless you format root "/")
[14:19] <xXedixXx> Okay.
[14:19] <xXedixXx> Not too worried about the programs.
[14:20] <xXedixXx> Alrighty.
[14:20] <xXedixXx> I'll retry 10.04
[14:20] <xXedixXx> Also, is it in RC now?
[14:20] <JEEBsv> Yeah
[14:20] <yofel> xXedixXx: dpkg --get-selections | awk '!/deinstall|purge|hold/ {print $1}'    will get you a list of installed programs that you can feed to apt later if you want
[14:20] <xXedixXx> Goood
[14:22] <xXedixXx> Can I stay on IRC without the upgrade screwing up?
[14:22] <xXedixXx> Or should I close everything?
[14:22] <yofel> it should not screw up anything
[14:22] <felon> keep it open
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas stay on irc :)
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> except when rebooting
[14:22] <xXedixXx> :p
[14:22] <Dr_Willis> grub2 needs an irc client
[14:23] <yofel> lol
[14:23] <jakexks> haha
[14:23] <xXedixXx> Just need to uninstall open office (screwed up when I tried to upgrade with it installed)
[14:23] <patdk-wk> Dr_Willis, if you added it to your bios :)
[14:23] <jakexks> well, go write one :)
[14:23] <yofel> xXedixXx: it should not screw up, just make sure you have 'ubuntu-desktop' installed
[14:23] <xXedixXx> Ubuntu desktop :O?
[14:24] <xXedixXx> What do you mean.
[14:24] <yofel> the package
[14:24] <yofel> !info ubuntu-desktop
[14:24] <xXedixXx> Why do I need that?
[14:24] <theadmin> package size 31 kb lol
[14:25] <tsimpson> theadmin: it's a meta package
[14:25] <theadmin> tsimpson: Yeah i know :D
[14:25] <yofel> xXedixXx: it makes sure all applications that belong to the ubuntu desktop get installed (especially stuff that is new in lucid on upgrade)
[14:25] <xXedixXx> Just got to backup my programming projects.
[14:27] <xXedixXx> All backed uop
[14:27] <xXedixXx> preparing to upgrade :o
[14:27] <xXedixXx> So, if the wireless still doesn't connect, what should I do?
[14:28] <yofel> xXedixXx: get a wired connection and install wicd (will remove network manager) to make sure it's not a NM issue
[14:28] <xXedixXx> I have a wired connection now anyway (at home) just need wireless when at school.
[14:29] <xXedixXx> But yeah, I will do that.
[14:29] <xXedixXx> Thanks ^
[14:29] <xXedixXx> What are the major benefits of 10.04 though?
[14:31] <Pici> The version number is 4 digits!
[14:31] <patdk-wk> yay!
[14:32] <xXedixXx> Loi.
[14:33] <underdev> xXedixXx: there are not a great many, as far as i'm concerned
[14:33] <underdev> I used gwibber on 9.10, so it's nice to see it integrated
[14:34] <underdev> it's also a LTR, so you can get comfy with it and know that it's supported
[14:34] <Pici> LTS
[14:34] <underdev> LTS, i mean
[14:35] <underdev> it still has all the advantages of ubuntu vs other distros though
[14:36] <xXedixXx> User friendly?
[14:36] <underdev> exremely
[14:36] <judgen> like what?
[14:36] <underdev> Ubuntu Software Center (app store)
[14:36] <xXedixXx> Haha.
[14:36] <om26er> Is there any easy way to share internet between two ubuntu messages?
[14:36] <om26er> s/messages/machines
[14:37] <xXedixXx> Although, I still think using Ubuntu requires you to be more than you're average "nooby" windows user.
[14:37] <underdev> om26er: you might consider a router.  not being a jerk, just saying "internet connection sharing" is a little outdated
[14:38] <underdev> xXedixXx: my mom runs it, and she's happy
[14:38] <om26er> underdev, ha well when I am at someones and I have a wifi and that computer have nothing just a Lan card then?
[14:38] <om26er> maybe I have to update that system
[14:38] <underdev> there is extremely little you need to hack, and i don't know if i've EVER had to go terminal
[14:39] <judgen> just use NAT
[14:39] <underdev> i do, of course, but i dont think i've had to
[14:39] <judgen> I bet someone has a gui for configuring nat even.
[14:39] <yofel> that depends on your hardware, as long that works fine K/X/L/Ubuntu is quite user friendly
[14:39] <xXedixXx> My sister would use Ubuntu if the wireless wasn't an issue on her laptop... grrr
[14:39] <yofel> but if you have hardware issues it's better to have something like LPIC1 knowledge...
[14:40] <om26er> xXedixXx, install driver?
[14:40] <underdev> or vote with your wallet... what?!?  This printer isn't supported?  Screw it, we'll get the Brother :)
[14:41] <judgen> underdev: brother does not support their drivers for windows for long though.
[14:41] <yofel> I'm hapṕy that I have HP printers, they seem to just work with hplip
[14:41] <underdev> im talking about ubuntu linux :)
[14:41] <judgen> underdev: I only buy printers that i can move about to all my enviroments.
[14:41] <DASPRiD> underdev, is there also ubuntu windows? :P
[14:42] <om26er> lol
[14:42] <judgen> I still have 2 dot matrix printers running =D
[14:43] <underdev> xXedixXx: i've got a pile of $10-$15 usb wireless nicks lying around- all but one has worked with ubuntu out of the box
[14:43] <underdev> i'm such a sucker for a sale
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> LOLOLOL
[14:44] <underdev> and belkin is at every target/walmart in the us at least, cheap and never had ubuntu fail to recognize them
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> I did it again
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> yet another bug in app that access filesystem
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> this time: sed
[14:44] <underdev> if she's interested, just sayin
[14:44] <BUGabundo_remote> uses case: debian testing, location: /etc/apache/site-enable
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> run sed on it and it will replace the symlinks with actual files
[14:45]  * BUGabundo_remote goes testing
[14:45] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, uh ?
[14:46] <BUGabundo_remote> eheh
[14:46] <BUGabundo_remote> let me try  to reproduce on a few machines
[14:46] <balachmar> Hi, I somehow lost the image for the reload button in nautilus in the Ambiance theme, does anybody know how to find out in which package it lives?
[14:46] <xXedixXx> Well Underdev, I've been a lot less fortunate than you then. On my sister's laptop the internal wireless card doesn't connect at all, and the external N mode USB wireless adapter just disconnects and reconnects constantly, being very unstable.
[14:47] <balachmar> Reinstall of ubuntu-desktop did not help, by the way
[14:47] <underdev> i would also mention that i have yet to have a windows based friend not be impressed with compiz cube+ friends
[14:47] <om26er> balachmar, humanity-icon-theme
[14:47] <underdev> xXedixXx: that would be frustrating
[14:48] <underdev> if i were contantly running into hardware compatibility issues, i would be far less impressed than i am
[14:48] <balachmar> om26er: or might it also be caused by the fact that I left my home dir intact while installing a new version. So it might ne looking for files that don't exist anymore.
[14:48] <underdev> but i've built a lot of systems, and i find it handles nearly everything i throw at it
[14:48] <Jake2|cfl> lucid RC will not pick up dhcp wifi address.  Pls look at syslog extract of "wlan" lines at next link.  Idea why?
[14:48] <Jake2|cfl> http://pastebin.com/sJbmLgAM
[14:48] <underdev> wasn't fond of a ati 4550 one time
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: its confirmed LOLOL
[14:49] <underdev> or a lexmark
[14:49] <om26er> balachmar, that icon is in usr/share/icons
[14:49]  * BUGabundo_remote goes look at MAN sed
[14:49] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, did you try installing the kernel source like i told you yesterday?
[14:49] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, I didn't understood your issue
[14:50] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: hi.  No.  no idea how to do that, but narrowed prob down to dhcp not getting
[14:50] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh --follow-symlinks *solves* it
[14:50] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, the broadcom kernel source is in the repositories, you just click it and install it.
[14:50] <Jake2|cfl> how do I find the name of it?
[14:51] <Ken8521> !info bcmwl-kernel-source
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: sed -i s/foo/goo/g *
[14:51] <BUGabundo_remote> replaces the sym-link file with actual fisical file on disk, removing the symlink
[14:51] <joaopinto> ah
[14:51] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: so I just dl that to anywhere and click it?
[14:51] <xXedixXx> I'm not installing the upgrades :)
[14:51] <xXedixXx> *now
[14:52] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, no, it should be available in synaptic... go to System/Admin/Synaptic Package Manager
[14:52] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, are you in synaptic?
[14:52] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: ok I am familiar with synaptic.  off here while I go do that ...
[14:53] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, before you go..
[14:53] <Jake2|cfl> ken lucid on puter in other room
[14:53] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, ok, do a search for b43, and see if b43-fwcutter is installed
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> sed -i s/foo/goo/g *  != sed --follow-symlinks -i s/foo/goo/g *
[14:53] <Jake2|cfl> yes I have that
[14:53] <Ken8521> ok, thne i would try installing the kernel soure, see what hapens
[14:54] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: ok
[14:54] <Ken8521> i don't have experience w/ broadcom devices, but it only makes sense
[14:54] <nanoguy> hi
[14:54] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521:  if you can, glance at the pastebin link above while i am gone
[14:54] <balachmar> om26er: Do you happen to know how I can find out which file nautilus is trying to find? And would it be ok to remove .gconf/apps/nautilus or .nautilus from my home?
[14:55] <nanoguy> how do i install the NBR under 10.04
[14:55] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, i did, doesn't really tell me anything.
[14:55] <balachmar> It is kind of annoying to have a half working theme
[14:55] <om26er> balachmar, removing those config file have nothing to do with that icon afaik
[14:56] <balachmar> but which file is it? you just told me the dir, but not the exact file. So that I can check if I have it
[14:58] <pirx> if i want to install an older version of an application (i want psql 8.3, not 8.4), how do i do that?
[14:59] <pirx> lucid has 8.4.
[14:59] <pirx> and i still want to get the updates if possible
[14:59] <pirx> can i just add some 8.04 repository to sources.list?
[15:00] <balachmar> om26er nevermind reinstalling packages and switching themes and back makes it work, thanks for the help
[15:00] <coz_> pirx,  that can end up with some problems in the end....what do you need from an outdated repo?
[15:02] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: installed it; rebooted; no joy--same/same.  In the dialog for the connection...more
[15:02] <xXedixXx> WOAH> 5 hours remaining.. WHAT?
[15:02] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: are BSSID and MAC fields supposed to be filled in?
[15:03] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, well if you're not seeing networks, that is irrelevant
[15:04] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: I have one there I can see, but it is one I manually created
[15:04] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, yeah, so thats not it.
[15:04] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: any clues in the syslog?
[15:04] <pirx> coz_: the new postgresql 8.4 is not yet tested with the application
[15:04] <Ken8521> no
[15:04] <Ken8521> not for  me
[15:04] <coz_> pirx,  oh  mm  ok  I dont have another solution then
[15:05] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: wifi remains a huge issue for linux/ubuntu
[15:05] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, no, usually its not... it's just broadcom is a bunch of closed source pricks.
[15:05] <Ken8521> my atheros works perfectly on live cd's, and after i install w/o any effort on my part
[15:05] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521 ok, my luck
[15:06] <yofel> Ken8521: the ralink drivers aren't much better, and I wish someone would turn off the debug mode for my rt2860 driver so that it stops spamming the kernel log -.-
[15:06] <Ken8521> lol
[15:06] <Ken8521> i've heard ralink is bad also
[15:07] <yofel> Ken8521: here's my dmesg output... http://paste.ubuntu.com/422795/
[15:07] <Ken8521> yofel, lol, geez
[15:08] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, you had a 4306, rght?
[15:08] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, have you tried asking your question in the lucid forum on ubuntuforums?
[15:10] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: no, i will try that.  Hey, where do you specify a static IP?. I haven't seen such a field,
[15:10] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, most of the time, inside your router, then your router broadcasts as dhcp(or so i thought)
[15:11] <yofel> there should be a list where you can add static ips in the manual settings of nm-applet
[15:11] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, this doesn't appear to be an issue w/ your router, its your laptop... if you even remotely suspectits your router, disable all security settings, and broadcast your ESSID, and see if your linux bo can connect
[15:11] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: yes 4306 rev 3
[15:12] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: I meant, where in ubuntu do I specify to use static IP, not dhcp?
[15:12] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: (I don't suspect the router at all--it dhcp's to numerous other computers fine)
[15:13] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, you really shouldn't need to, but if you think you do for some reasson, right click nm-applet, choose edit connections, choose the connection, then edit
[15:13] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, well if its sending dhcp to the other pc's, you shouldn't need to set a static route to your laptop
[15:13] <yofel> Jake2|cfl: somewhere in the settings you can switch from dhcp to manual, there you get a list where you add 'IP|Hostmask|gateway' and then you add the DNS address too
[15:14] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: ok I know all the things to add, just had never encountered where to do it
[15:14] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: wanted to try the static cause the syslog said it was failing to get a dhcp from 255.255.255.255
[15:15] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, because it can't connect, i'm willing to bet that "network" you have in your list, has the little "two computers" icon besidei t, rather than the wireless radio signal
[15:16] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: I will look for that.  everything in syslog about wlan0 seemed normal,startup etc,  except when it asked for an address
[15:17]  * Jake2|cfl says wife says I have to help her. u know what that means----bye
[15:17] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, if it were normal, at the very least, ou would see networks in your area... try turning on essid broadcast, and see if your laptop sees your network.
[15:17] <Ken8521> if youre not at least seeing networks, the device is not working
[15:18] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: ssid broadcasgt IS on in router
[15:18] <Ken8521> Jake2|cfl, do you see your network, and other networks?
[15:22] <RambJoe> cool did they add colour to the icons
[15:22] <Ken8521> what icons?
[15:22] <codename-nos> can any one tell me how to make resumable download with wget ?
[15:22] <popey> wget -c <url>
[15:22] <joaopinto> codename-nos, man wget
[15:23] <joaopinto> it's described on the man page
[15:33] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: wife is putting on makeup; have a minute...see no nets on ubuntu; this win machine sees mine+1
[15:34] <Reckon> codename-nos, wget --continue <file>
[15:36] <codename-nos> just one question
[15:36] <underdev> codename-nos: african or european?
[15:37] <underdev> (monty python joke, not racist)
[15:37] <codename-nos> ummm indian
[15:37] <codename-nos> but wats that for ?
[15:38] <vish> bah! Lucid was so nice during alpha/beta , and just before release it is getting worse :/
[15:38] <vish> there is a memory leaking somewhere and I dont know where it is from..
[15:38]  * vish checks with earlier kernel
[15:39] <underdev> its a joke from a movie about king arthur by an English comedy troup called "Montey Python"- i wasn't talking about you, your location, or race
[15:39] <maco> swallows?
[15:39] <underdev> nerds in the usa usually are familiar with monty python jokes, need to watch myself- we're global here
[15:39] <underdev> maco yes
[15:40] <underdev> and i was refering to birds
[15:40] <maco> if you answer a question wrong you're thrown into a pit. question: "what is the flight speed of an unladen swallow?" response: "an african swallow or a european swallow?" questioner's response: "i dont know! AHHHHHH!"
[15:40] <underdev> not people
[15:41] <underdev> maco: right- i always say that when someone says "just one question..."
[15:41] <underdev> again, need to watch myself- it read as totally racist out of context :)
[15:42] <vish> !ot
[15:43] <underdev> vish- i believe the memory leak is x.org- cannonical is aware of the problem, and i heard somewhere that they think they've fixed it
[15:43] <glitsj16> vish: if you're refering to the Xorg memory leak, that should be fixed (http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/xorg-memory-leak-bug-in-ubuntu-1004-fix.html) ..
[15:43] <z0rt|work> are you suggesting coconuts migrate!?
[15:43] <mxe5> Someone know of an app that will print a file as a .pdf - Like Cute PDF does in Windows ? ?
[15:43] <maco> of course coconuts dont migrate, but they could be carried
[15:43] <vish> glitsj16: not the gem objects one.. there is still another one.. :S
[15:43] <underdev> lol
[15:44] <glitsj16> vish: okay, would be nice to open a new bug report on launchpad in that case
[15:44] <vish> glitsj16: ;)
[15:45] <nmobix> hi room
[15:45] <codename-nos> i did wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[15:45] <codename-nos> then how should i resume it ?
[15:45] <vish> glitsj16: i havent opened one since i'm not sure whom to blame
[15:45] <vish> yet*
[15:45] <gintonic> gem objects? That will teach them to write xorg in ruby
[15:46] <vish> hmm , no Amaranth around..
[15:46] <glitsj16> vish: no problem, good bug-hunting
[15:46] <nmobix> Hi all, I'm planning on upgrading from Karmic to Lucid, any hints or heads-up to what trouble I might expect in doing so? I have a HP pavilion dv5000, the main reason for the early upgrade is because i noticed that suspend/resume works with this particular laptop on lucid
[15:46] <nmobix> thnx
[15:47] <mxe5> Found this - No need to know - http://www.arsgeek.com/2007/05/17/5-steps-to-create-a-pdf-printer-print-to-pdf-in-ubuntu/
[15:47] <gintonic> nmobix: Your volume control will disappear and you'll be like "Omg where did it go?"
[15:48] <z0rt|work> i have my volume control on netbook remix
[15:48] <underdev> mxe- yeah, that's awfully handy
[15:49] <underdev> nmobix: the user interface is a little jarring coming from karmic
[15:49] <underdev> nmobix: there is/was a pernicous memory leak, although today it seems to be fixed on my machine
[15:50] <nmobix> thnx gintonic and underdev
[15:51] <codename-nos>  i did " wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/kubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso " now if i stop it then how to resume it at next boot
[15:51] <Lantizia> OK so I hate the arbitrary dates... I'm a "when it's ready" person.  So does Lucid feel like it's a finely polished release and it's being released in 3 days because thats whats advertised.... OR does it feel like it's a "just get it out there, we'll deal with that bug later" release?
[15:52] <nmobix> i started the update-manager -d   KARMIC >>> LUCID
[15:52] <nmobix> guys wish me luck
[15:52] <nmobix> :)
[15:52] <underdev> nmobix: knock on wood, shake some chicken bones
[15:52] <gartral> nmobix: umm the KARMIC >>> LUCID part isnt needed
[15:52] <nmobix> true gartral
[15:52] <nmobix> im just 2 psyched right now
[15:53] <nmobix> hoping for the best
[15:53] <mvo> nmobix: if there are issues, make sure to report a bug with full logs from /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[15:53] <arand> Lantizia: I would claim that the booting bugs (plymouth, as ususal) are a few too many... But then again, in here you mainly hear about problems, not success ;)
[15:53] <nmobix> sure thing mvo
[15:54] <charlie-tca> Lantizia: it is ready, IMHO
[15:54] <Lantizia> charlie-tca, so if this was a debian team :) and it was their baby :) they'd release? :P
[15:55] <charlie-tca> I have no idea. I don't work with them, and I don't use debian on my systems
[15:55] <underdev> i don't think debian believes in releases, do they?
[15:55] <Lantizia> lol
[15:55] <joaopinto> underdev, they do, per their policy
[15:55] <Lantizia> I think he was being sarcastic :P
[15:56] <arand> Lantizia: I do think that the 6m release schedule is very appropriate for ubuntu, it keeps things flowing, generates a lot of hype, etc.
[15:56] <underdev> mark shuttlesworth is all about "cadence" from the presentations i've watched/listened to
[15:56] <legend2440> hello i was wondering why with lucid when I press ctrl+alt+F1 i can only see  the last three or so lines of the boot process while with karmic i could read everything that went on during the boot process
[15:56] <underdev> release release release
[15:56] <Lantizia> underdev, cadence?!  *google*
[15:57] <Ken8521> how do you get bcak to the GUI, when you hit control alt f1?
[15:57] <legend2440> alt+f7
[15:57] <arand> Ken8521: F7
[15:57] <Ken8521> alt f7, or just f7?
[15:57] <nmobix> ♪♪♪ LUCID ♪♪♪
[15:57] <arand> Ken8521: alt+F7
[15:57] <Ken8521> ok.
[15:58] <Ken8521> always wondered that, just done it and it worked
[15:58] <arand> Ken8521: each number from 1-7 is a tty, no.7 is the one where X get's started.
[15:59] <Ken8521> arand, i've just never looked into it much, always been a GUI whore
[16:00] <underdev> lol- i read legends post, hit c-m-f1, and bounced right out of my session
[16:00] <arand> Ken8521: Yea, gui has it's benefits, but when things go wrong (X lockup, e.g.) It's very handy to jumå out to a tty, kill the locking application, without restarting X or the computer
[16:00] <underdev> had to reboot :)
[16:00] <nmobix> do you guys know of any issues with git in LUCID?
[16:01] <underdev> nmobix: haven't had any, why?
[16:01] <Ken8521> arand, true.. no doubt
[16:01] <nmobix> just asking
[16:01] <nmobix> have many projects that depend on that right now
[16:01] <underdev> okay, no, it seems fine
[16:01] <nmobix> can't afford loosing functionality
[16:01] <nmobix> :)
[16:01]  * Ken8521 has never even used git
[16:01] <arand> nmobix: I've mainly used clone, log, diff, patch... but not seen anything "issue-y" yet, I'm not a huge user though...
[16:02] <underdev> Ken8521: it's not my favorite distributed version control system, but it's very popular, esp the ruby and java devs
[16:02] <nmobix> any of you guys knows whether its possible to just install Lucid's kernel and not the whole distribution
[16:02] <nmobix> ?
[16:03] <nmobix> i know its kinda late to ask that, being that now in 8 min the whole thing will start installing the downloaded packages :P
[16:03] <An_Ony_Moose> nmobix, what would be the point in that?
[16:03] <arand> nmobix: Probably, but I assume it would be dangerous in some way...
[16:03] <nmobix> well, as I mentioned earlier
[16:04] <nmobix> i had a problem with karmic, and suspend/resume
[16:04] <nmobix> on my dv5000 crappy laptop
[16:04] <underdev> possible- i'm sure, prudent- meeehh...
[16:04] <nmobix> the only thing that seemed to fix it, was running lucid from a live-usb
[16:04] <nmobix> and using some kernel parameters
[16:04] <nmobix> to disable KMS
[16:04] <nmobix> and to give some extra options to pm-suspend
[16:05] <nmobix> i know its kind of a stretch, but one could be tempted to get the new kernel
[16:05] <Dr_Willis> Theres kernel ppa's and ways to install kernels not in the default install
[16:05] <nmobix> and than try it while still keeping koala
[16:05] <nmobix> i see
[16:06] <nmobix> so what you guys are saying is that the distro itself will/could suffer from such a change
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> It could.. or it may not matter
[16:06] <nmobix> prolly dependencies not being met and so on?
[16:06] <arand> nmobix: Yea, the kernel PPA might be worth a try, don't expect the same stability as the default though, I would guess..
[16:06] <nmobix> good to know
[16:06] <An_Ony_Moose> oooh, 10.04 has a non-linear video editor installed by default? I smell progress :D
[16:06] <nmobix> :D
[16:06] <arand> nmobix: Dependencies would likely not be an issue
[16:06] <Dr_Willis> if you are one of the few that need such a tool An_Ony_Moose
[16:07] <Dr_Willis> I use gimp more then i would use a video editor.
[16:07] <Ascavasaion> Can you do upgrades to Ubuntu 10.04 from local sites?
[16:08] <yofel> Ascavasaion: "local sites" ?
[16:08] <arand> Ascavasaion: Local as in?
[16:08] <Ascavasaion> Oops, I was stupid... I just checked in software sources and I see you can :)
[16:09] <arand> Ascavasaion: Yea, should be no different from 9.10 as far as mirrors go, I think.
[16:09] <nmobix> Ascavasaion, what are "local sites"?
[16:09] <Ascavasaion> arand: Yes, hehe
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> I like to set up a local apt-cacher machine. :)
[16:10] <yofel> Dr_Willis: +1, I just never get around to reading the manual :D
[16:10] <Ascavasaion> nmobix: Local mirrors.  I have a Internet account that gives me 3Gb per month of local and international bandwidth, and when that is finished I have 30Gb of local bandwidth only... And I plan to run the updates when the 3Gb is up.
[16:10] <nmobix> oh ic Ascavasaion
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> !info apt-cacherng
[16:11] <Ascavasaion> Crappy South Africa we have poor Internet access here.
[16:11] <Dr_Willis> !info apt-cacher-ng
[16:11] <nmobix> cant u put some university as a source?
[16:11] <nmobix> Ascavasaion, i meant some LOCAL university :D
[16:11] <Ascavasaion> nmobix: Yes, I have :)
[16:11] <Ascavasaion> nmobix: I know what you meant hehe
[16:13] <nmobix> asks: Do you guys use Linux as the only os or dual boot?
[16:13] <m0RrE> only linux
[16:13]  * nmobix too
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Only linux here
[16:13] <patdk-wk> these days why bother with dualboot?
[16:13] <yofel> only on notebooks, but i have a win7 installation on my desktop
[16:13] <jibadeeha> only linux here
[16:13] <patdk-wk> just use windows in virtualbox/vmware/....
[16:13] <nmobix> patdk-wk, me 2
[16:13] <Ascavasaion> nmobix: Used to run only Linux 9.10 but when I installed 10.04 I did dual boot with Windows XP so that I could still work on the computer if 10.04 screwed up.
[16:13] <Ken8521> nmobix, i have a virtualbox install of XP, but i only use it for a couple of things(maybe 3-4x a month)
[16:14] <yofel> that I used... er... 3 weeks ago for half an hour...?
[16:14] <z0rt|work> linux only on 3 machines weeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
[16:14] <nmobix> good to know one is not alone :D
[16:14] <z0rt|work> since you can play pocket tanks with wine there is really no reason to use windows, hahaha
[16:14] <nmobix> lol on z0rt|work
[16:15] <yofel> bug 441941 is annoying  -.-
[16:15] <Ken8521> ubottu, i hadn't heard of that one.
[16:15] <Ken8521> running windows what?
[16:15] <Ken8521> oops.. yofel see above
[16:16] <yofel> Ken8521: it has to do with some security software messing up grub2 in the MBR
[16:16] <yofel> it sees grub2 as MBR corruption I guess and tries to fix it -> pc unbootable
[16:17] <nmobix> which windows version does that yofel
[16:17] <nmobix> ?
[16:17] <yofel> grub-legacy works fine
[16:17] <yofel> nmobix: for me it happens with win7, but I think other versions were mentioned too, and it's not windows by itself I think, but the fact that most virus scanners today check the MBR too
[16:18] <nmobix> hmmm
[16:18] <nmobix> that is so wrong
[16:18] <Votan> anyon here running a .34 mainline kernel with lycid ?
[16:19] <arand> yofel: 38 affected, ouch.
[16:20] <yofel> well, the problem with the bug is: that's not really our fault...
[16:22] <arand> Windows/win-apps does messy things some times. I've noticed that if you store files with (according to win) invalid filenames on an ntfs disk. windows will move them to lost+found once you run chckdsk... the joys of inteoperability..
[16:23] <xXedixXx> Still 2 hours to go on the upgrade, this is stupid.
[16:23] <arand> xXedixXx: Slow downloads?
[16:23] <yofel> yeah, what was the ntfs-3g response for that again... "run all operations through a samba mount if  you want compatibility with windows"
[16:23]  * nmobix About 1 hour 29 minutes remaining :D
[16:24] <xXedixXx> It's not downloading, it's installing.
[16:26] <nmobix> guys forgive my slightly off-topic question, but here goes: I'm planning on purchasing some new hardware (possibly build a custom desktop), could you give me some hints on what hardware nowadays plays nice with linux? I am especially interested in knowing if Intel's new processors I-5 or I-7 are fully recognized by linux, and as such fully utilized, anything regarding motherboards might be of interest as well...
[16:27] <yofel> the processors certainly work afaik, when it comes to motherboards what I heard was that you should get one with an intel chipset
[16:28] <chorse> intel chipsets for intel cpus are nice.
[16:28] <nmobix> :D
[16:28] <nmobix> the plan is to build a nice monster
[16:28] <yofel> I think ##hardware (or somethink like that) might a good place to ask too
[16:28] <nmobix> with lots of power and memory
[16:29] <nmobix> and than virtualize windows for wife
[16:29] <nmobix> :)
[16:29] <nmobix> even thou she is well into the linux transition
[16:29] <nmobix> she still does need some specific cad tools
[16:29] <poutine> I am using an i7 laptop
[16:29] <nmobix> poutine, yea?
[16:29] <nmobix> hows that playing along?
[16:29] <chorse> the core system will work, regardless whether intel or amd or anything else. the more important things are wifi (use atheros) and graphics
[16:30] <Ken8521> chorse, well said.
[16:30] <nmobix> (well since its gonna be desktop, i dont intend to even put a wireless on it, on the contrary run it with gigabit ethernet)
[16:30] <Dimmuxx> there are only intel chipsets for i3, i5 & i7 so the chipset shouldn't be a problem
[16:30] <Ken8521> i'm using a cheap, celeron Acer, and it works very good.. has intel graphics, wish it had nvidia... Has Atheros wireless, which works flawlessly
[16:30] <poutine> yeah, runs quite nicely, except for sound, I have to run the following to mute my speakers when I use my headphones: hda-verb /dev/snd/hwC0D0 0x1f SET_PIN_WIDGET_CONTROL 0x0;
[16:31] <poutine> I also had to compile a new driver for my wireless because ubuntu bundled an old version
[16:31] <poutine> the processor is rarely the non-supported part
[16:31] <yofel> my nvidia 250GTS works fine here as a graphic card, I saw people having issues with kernel panics and geforce9 cards for some reason, you'll propably get yourself a 2xx or 4xx card anyway I guess
[16:31] <poutine> I have one of those also
[16:32] <nmobix> reason why I asked, is because not always the new hardware architectures are immediately supported on software
[16:33] <nmobix> and intel does claim they use a new architecture on their core i5 i7s
[16:33] <domjohnson> Hello
[16:34] <yofel> they do, but the cpu's work, the only issues I know of are related to the integrated graphics chips that come with some i3/i5 cpus I think (I don't know much about that tbh)
[16:34] <domjohnson> When upgrading (running update-manager -d and clicking "upgrade"), it says in the dialogue box that comes up "This is still a BETA release"
[16:34] <domjohnson> Am I getting the RC or the Beta?
[16:34] <yofel> but lucid ships a bit old intel graphics driver anyway
[16:34] <poutine> people should stop buying things with intel graphics
[16:35] <Ken8521> poutine, i agree, they suck.
[16:35] <nmobix> poutine, i agree 2
[16:35] <yofel> well, you don't have much choice for netbooks, by 945GME works fine though
[16:35] <yofel> s/by/my/
[16:35] <poutine> nvidia ion
[16:35] <nmobix> man i hate nvidia
[16:35] <Votan> was about to say, I have no problems on my pinetrail Netbook so far
[16:35] <yofel> nmobix: why?
[16:35] <Ken8521> i don't do gaming, 3d crap, etc.. so they work fine for me... but really, for graphics, its a two horse race
[16:35] <nmobix> i recently sold back a hp tablet
[16:35] <nmobix> tx2020
[16:36] <nmobix> with nvidia on it
[16:36] <nmobix> the damned thing ran so hot that it literally desoldered itself
[16:36] <RambJoe> i cant see any of my other drives in nautilus :(
[16:36] <Ken8521> i got a 7900GT and a 5500GT, and they both work flawlessly w/ Linux, including dual screens
[16:36] <nmobix> a bunch of users had voiced this to both HP and NVIDIA
[16:36] <nmobix> and neither of the corporations took the blame
[16:36] <nmobix> no recall was made
[16:36] <nmobix> :(
[16:37] <poutine> sounds like more of a HP problem
[16:37] <poutine> I doubt nvidia assembled HP gear
[16:37] <Ken8521> poutine, yup.
[16:37] <Ken8521> nmobix, how can you blame that on nvidia?
[16:37] <yofel> nmobix: if you used 195 < 195.36.15 then there was a overheating issue
[16:37] <poutine> oh yeah there was that
[16:37] <nmobix> i tried everything
[16:37] <nmobix> but in the end
[16:37] <nmobix> the final verdict was, that not only
[16:38] <poutine> pretty big mess up, but it's still more forgivable than say... catalyst control center
[16:38] <nmobix> was it an hp issue
[16:38] <nmobix> where theyd put the cpu and gpu too close to each other
[16:38] <nmobix> but also nvidias specs
[16:38] <nmobix> were too aggressive
[16:38] <yofel> I did manage to destroy my nvidia quadro nvs 140m in  my thinkpad once though, no idea how that happened
[16:38] <nmobix> their chip ran very hot, in itself
[16:38] <bjsnider> nvidia has had well-documented engineering issues for years
[16:38] <nmobix> talk about "cool" stuff
[16:38] <nmobix> :)
[16:39] <nmobix> bjsnider, i follow you on that
[16:39] <RambJoe> why aren't my drives mounting :(
[16:39] <bjsnider> just google "bumpgate" and you can read all about it
[16:40] <nmobix> i think they are too aggressive in their releases
[16:40] <nmobix> i study SOC myself
[16:40] <An_Ony_Moose> oh dang. I installed the RC successfully, but installed GRUB only on the partitions. How can I install grub on the boot record afterwards? I have a live CD, currently booted.
[16:40] <nmobix> and once a fellow from Ericsson
[16:41] <nmobix> mentioned that whenever a major hardware platform is released
[16:41] <nmobix> it only has to work 51 % of the time
[16:41] <Ken8521> An_Ony_Moose, how on earth did you manage that?
[16:41] <nmobix> or 51% of its features are basically tested
[16:41] <nmobix> :)
[16:41] <An_Ony_Moose> Ken8521, I misunderstood the instructions >.<
[16:42] <An_Ony_Moose> can I reopen the wizard using dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc in the live CD?
[16:42] <Ken8521> An_Ony_Moose, even then.. grub is default to the MBR, and frankly, i don't know of any way to change that w/ the live cd install
[16:42] <An_Ony_Moose> Ken8521, I installed via upgrade.
[16:42] <Ken8521> oh.
[16:42] <nmobix> i think you have to chroot
[16:43] <nmobix> to the hd install
[16:43] <An_Ony_Moose> hmm no
[16:43] <nmobix> and then decide, the new location
[16:43] <An_Ony_Moose> looks like I can fix it right now
[16:43] <An_Ony_Moose> it shows a list of available block devices
[16:43] <An_Ony_Moose> so THIS time I want to install it on /dev/sda, right?
[16:43] <Ken8521> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[16:43] <QueeenZ> Has the memory leak in Ubuntu 10.04 RC been fixed?
[16:44] <om26er> QueeenZ, yes
[16:44] <Ken8521> QueeenZ, i believe so.. i know a fix was released
[16:44] <nmobix> any of you guys know if Lucid continues not to use Suns Java?
[16:44] <nmobix> i think in karmic they moved to something else
[16:44] <nmobix> cant remember the name now
[16:45] <nmobix> openjava or smth
[16:45] <om26er> If I click on a menu. say sound indcator and leave my computer idle and come after 10min the screen is still running when I close that opened sound indicator screen saver starts
[16:45] <Dimmuxx> yeah it's still icedtea
[16:45] <ChogyDan> nmobix: I think sun-java is in a comercial repo of sorts
[16:46] <Sarvatt> yeah it's in the partner repo
[16:46] <nmobix> ChogyDan, do you mean is installable?
[16:46] <nmobix> or, only upon purchase?
[16:46] <ChogyDan> nmobix: installabe
[16:46] <nmobix> huh
[16:47] <ChogyDan> nmobix: what Sarvatt said
[16:47] <nmobix> but how about the upgrades than, wouldn't it get broken when apt-get update/upgrade?
[16:47] <yofel> nmobix: ubuntu uses openjdk by default, sun-java is in canonical partner now for licensing reasons
[16:48] <nmobix> can you guys point me to some howto on replacing openjdk with sun-java?
[16:48] <nmobix> the reason for the change is my darned bank
[16:48] <nmobix> they insist on using sun-java
[16:48] <yofel> nmobix: open software center, go to canonical parners and select sun-java from there
[16:48] <nmobix> for their auth software
[16:48] <lucas-arg> nmobix: open synaptic, remove openjdk and search for sun java6
[16:49] <yofel> nmobix: and remove openjdk and icedtea after that
[16:50] <NinoScript> I have a partition with music, but if I add it to /etc/fstab, rhythmbox segfaults… how do I mount it so it is the same as clicking on the "Places" menu?
[16:50] <Jeeves_> NinoScript: How do you mount it now?
[16:51] <NinoScript> Because I don't want rhythmbox to segfault, I click on the partition on the "Places" menu
[16:52] <NinoScript> but I tried adding it like this on the fstab file:
[16:52] <NinoScript> UUID=2f961064-f202-47ff-982e-231608589d6d       /media/Media/   ext4
[16:52] <NinoScript> I made that directory to have the same name as the one that is made automatically by clicking on the menu
[16:53] <NinoScript> I think I'm missing some fstab options, but I don't know which ones I should be using
[16:54] <NinoScript> I would like to know, which are the mount options that happen automatically when you click on the menu
[16:55] <bjsnider> NinoScript, you're on the wrong track. rhythmbox should not be segfaulting like that. try to address that issue directly instead of working around it with some kind of ugly mount hack
[16:59] <nmobix> is NinoScript using Karmic or Lucid?
[17:00] <Ken8521> i can't figure out why anyhone likes rythmbox anywya...lol
[17:00] <NinoScript> nmobix, Lucid
[17:02] <nmobix> Ken8521, what do you use?
[17:02] <NinoScript> Ken8521, what do you recommend>
[17:02] <nmobix> :D
[17:02] <Ken8521> i like the simple players, audacious...
[17:03] <Ken8521> for a "full featured" player, i dont' use it often, but i have banshee installed for when i need it
[17:03] <Ken8521> or...
[17:03] <nmobix> how about opening chrome and put www.grooveshark.com on it
[17:03] <nmobix> :)
[17:04] <Ken8521> if you don't mind installing a bunch of kde libraries.. Amarok is a very good program also
[17:04] <nmobix> im doing that alot lately
[17:04] <poutine> qt libraries?
[17:04] <poutine> what kde libraries does amarok use?
[17:04] <schlaftier> From all the music players I have tried so far, I like Quodlibet most
[17:05] <yofel> poutine: it depends on kdelibs5 and kdebase-runtime
[17:05] <Ken8521> poutine, a bunch, install it, it stalls a bunch of kde stuff
[17:05] <poutine> that's crappy
[17:05] <nmobix> anyone in here uses google-chrome ?
[17:05] <Ken8521> to many issues.
[17:05] <yofel> nmobix: rarely, more chromium
[17:05] <poutine> no suitable adblock plus == no dice
[17:06] <yofel> +1
[17:06] <Ken8521> i could care less about adblock.
[17:06] <nmobix> yofel: do you run on the problem of opening PDFs with chromium?
[17:06] <yofel> adthwart seems nice, but it seems to just hide them too instead of blocking them
[17:06] <poutine> Ken8521, if you could care less, then why don't you?
[17:06] <nmobix> as in clicking in links with pdfs dont open them
[17:06] <yofel> nmobix: I don't have any internal viewer, I open them in okular
[17:06] <Ken8521> why don't i what?.. use chrome?
[17:06] <Ken8521> cuz it constantly causes my system resources to spike to 100%
[17:06] <poutine> why don't you care less?
[17:07] <Ken8521> because, it would take to much effort
[17:07] <poutine> adblock plus has changed the world wide web supermation infohighway for the better
[17:09] <nmobix> Ken8521, what browser do you use?
[17:09] <Ken8521> firefox usually
[17:09] <nmobix> somehow i find it very bloated
[17:09] <nmobix> dunno why
[17:09] <yofel> I miss a good adblock and the lp-improvements in chromium, it's nice otherwise
[17:11] <nmobix> about 21 minutes remaining
[17:11] <om26er> I preferred browser over lp-improvements so never used em. though they will make life easier
[17:12] <NinoScript> how do I disable the autocopy on highlight feature?
[17:12] <Bearman> I would like to play WMW files and such. What to install?
[17:13] <duffydack> Ill use it when it displays the fonts as good as firefox.. it doesnt.. not for me.  and no, the font options get ignored regardless what you set.   I dont find firefox slow or bloated, but then i`m not running benchmarks all day.
[17:14] <om26er> duffydack, on a fairly fast computer with a few tabs opened in firefox there is a clear lag when switching tabs
[17:15] <om26er> *for me ;-)
[17:15] <Maletor> $ uname -a
[17:15] <Maletor> Linux denmark 2.6.31-20-generic. Even though I just did an upgrade to update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-21-generic
[17:15] <Maletor> How do I make my kernel update?
[17:15] <vish> om26er: me too!
[17:15] <vish> bad lucid :/
[17:15] <duffydack> 30 tabs open, I`m not seeing it.
[17:16] <om26er> vish, well the lag is also on my brothers fedora so bad firefox :)
[17:16] <vish> om26er: what graphics card?
[17:16] <duffydack> its instantaneous
[17:16] <om26er> nvidia 9800gtx
[17:16] <mininessie> well technically firefox 3.6.5pre is out
[17:16] <vish> hrm.. ATI here ..
[17:17] <yofel> +1 here with my 250GTS on my desktop, my eeepc doesn't really count as benchmark though I guess
[17:18] <Maletor> +1 on the nvidia 9800gtx+
[17:18] <Maletor> Using NVIDIA drivers from their website though
[17:18] <vish> what the memory used by firefox for you guys?
[17:18] <vish> whats*
[17:18] <rdogg> hey guys, does ubuntu 10.04 support ATI Radeon 9250 now?
[17:18] <Maletor> very minimal
[17:18] <mininessie> i wish my nivida card had displayed graphics in high def
[17:19] <yofel> hm, nvidia update pending
[17:19] <crow> I have one 2TB hdd drive which i mount over fstab, but its somehow also shown as /dev/sg1 device...
[17:19] <bjsnider> rdogg, sure, the radeon driver has good support for it
[17:19] <mininessie> yofel, ?
[17:19] <rdogg> bjsnider: oh ok, i was just wondering since 9.10 didnt
[17:19] <yofel> mininessie: 195.36.24 is in x-updates
[17:19] <mininessie> yofel, ?
[17:20] <mininessie> yofel, what does that one do
[17:20] <rdogg> oh and one more thing, if i change all of my sources.list in Linux Mint(what im using now) to ubuntus one can i just "upgrade" to ubuntu directly?
[17:21] <yofel> mininessie: http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150325
[17:21] <crow> and what can be this: http://paste.debian.net/70726/ hdd is on LSI SAS
[17:21] <mininessie> yofel, but does it support high def
[17:22] <kkojiband> hey
[17:22] <kkojiband> i heard that ubuntu 10.04 use gcc 4.5 as default compiler, anybody know about this?
[17:22] <marienz> kkojiband: it doesn't.
[17:23] <yofel> mininessie: high def?
[17:23] <coz_> kklimonda,   I believe its 4.4.3
[17:23] <marienz> it is.
[17:23] <marienz> either that or "gcc --version" lies, at least
[17:23] <kkojiband> hmm...
[17:23] <om26er> that went to the wrong person
[17:24] <Volkodav> anybody tested trim performance on 2.6.34 kernel on SSDs ?
[17:25] <coz_> Volkodav,  not familiar with "trim preformance" unles I know it by some other name
[17:27] <yofel> coz_: TRIM is deleting unused blocks on a SSD so that it can be written to faster
[17:27] <coz_> yoasif,  ah yes I am slightly familiar with that    ....sorry Volkodav
[17:27] <Volkodav> there is not much info on that - some on OSZ and Intels
[17:28] <yofel> have a cookie yoasif...
[17:28] <Volkodav> I tried the test from OSZ forums
[17:28] <crow> whats /dev/sg1 for?
[17:28] <coz_> Volkodav,   maybe this   https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Specs/KarmicSSD
[17:29] <smokex> seems like most of the bugs are worked out now and performance is impressive.. what is the date for the stable release?
[17:29] <coz_> Volkodav,  also   http://lwn.net/Articles/353411/
[17:29] <dmarkey> is unetbootin acceptible for 10.04?
[17:30] <socket_77> Am I connect in thinking that update-manager -d from Karmic won't work until the 29th ?
[17:30] <smokex> it worked for me last week
[17:30] <yofel> socket_77: it works
[17:30] <joaopinto> -d will work, because it forces a development version
[17:30] <yofel> socket_77: -d is to show unreleased releases
[17:31] <Pici> -d is for DEVEL
[17:31] <nmobix> unreleased releases :D
[17:31] <BluesKaj> socket_77, sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[17:31] <smokex> not pblically released releases
[17:31] <socket_77> Hmm, interesting then, I did try it, it said that 10.04 was available, so I clicked Upgrade.  It downloaded 2 files, but then just stopped
[17:31] <yofel> ^^
[17:31] <socket_77> Didn't give me an error message, just stopped doing anything
[17:32] <socket_77> So I had to click the Close button..
[17:32] <smokex> i would try it again
[17:32] <socket_77> I did try on two different PC's
[17:32] <socket_77> but I can try again..
[17:32] <twig11> Why does Update Manager want to download 336 MB of updates when I just installed Ubuntu 10.04 RC? It's trying to re-download pretty much all the bundled gnome apps. What's going on?
[17:32] <nmobix> what happens to us (early adopter) in 3 days, when the official release comes out?
[17:33] <skiwithpete> ola
[17:33] <smokex> i had to clean up my repository list.. remove dead links before it would work for me
[17:33] <nmobix> do we have to re-install or simply apt-get update/upgrade
[17:33] <yofel> !final
[17:33] <Pici> nmobix: just update/upgrade
[17:33] <nmobix> tx Pici
[17:33] <skiwithpete> i'm still having an impossible time with my internal mic on the laptop... anyone can help?
[17:33] <Volkodav> http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-812509-highlight-ssd+trim.html  I tried this test
[17:33] <FiReSTaRT> twig11: because those packages are getting updated on a regular basis.. they are doing lots of tweaks on the alphas/betas before the stable release comes out
[17:33] <Pici> twig11: There were updates pushed out after the RC was released.
[17:33] <Volkodav> same results
[17:35] <yofel> Volkodav: I might try it later myself, note that lucid hdparm has no trim support
[17:35] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: only the Pope's boss... try the basic stuff (unmute in alsamixer and also select analog stereo duplex under sound controls)
[17:35] <smokex> I have been getting between 20-350 mb of updates every day but assumed that was normal since it is so close to release.. everyone it trying to get the puzzle put together right before sticking it to the board so to speak
[17:35] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: if that doesn't work, chances are nothing will
[17:35] <twig11> Pici: So that requires complete re-downloads of Firefox, OpenOffice, etc.? Is 336 MB within several days normal?
[17:36] <yofel> smokex: we'll even get quite a few updates after release as not all bugs will be fixed in time, not as much as we get now though
[17:36] <yofel> twig11: for development releases yes
[17:36] <skiwithpete> FiReSTaRT, yep I've done both of those things
[17:36] <FiReSTaRT> twig11: yes it does.. when they tweak those packages, you have to download the packages again so you can test the tweaked versions
[17:37] <skiwithpete> so FiReSTaRT, what shall I do next?
[17:37] <Pici> twig11: Yes, but only because those particular packages are big.  We don't support downloading of package deltas, so the entire package gets re-downloaded when theres a change.
[17:38] <Axios> HI al.
[17:38] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: in that case you're pretty much screwed unless they release an updated driver for your chipset that does have proper support... it took about 3 versions for mine to start working and the karmic drivers still couldn't handle hdmi sound nvidia 8400
[17:38] <Axios> all
[17:38] <smokex> when a package is updated that firefox/openoffice depends on like anything from tcp/ip to java, you'll have to download new builds of firefox/openoffice as well
[17:39] <skiwithpete> FiReSTaRT, how will I know / when / why?
[17:39] <twig11> Pici: I'm on a limited bandwidth connection; according to what you're saying, simply updating less frequently until the final release would greatly reduce my total downloads, right?
[17:39] <skiwithpete> I've got an Aspire 7535 hardly a rare machine
[17:40] <Axios> I've installed ubuntu 10.04 bout 2 weeks ago and been having issues (appears to be cluster and software errors on boot). I've looked round the forums for fix and thought i've found a fix but it came back. so i replaced the harddrive. and its not acting up again. :
[17:40] <Pici> twig11: Yes.  At the expense of not always being up-to-date, of course.
[17:40] <Maletor> My kernel will not update.
[17:40] <Axios> I thought i'd join here for some help. :)
[17:40] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: i just install newest versions of ubuntu as they come out and pray.. so far they got my internal mic and suspend working, so those are big pluses
[17:40] <twig11> Pici: Okay thanks
[17:40] <Maletor> My kernel will not update. When I run sudo /usr/sbin/grub-mkconfig it gives me the correct output, but it's missing my insmod raid and raid5 and lvm2 etc.
[17:41]  * skiwithpete is praying
[17:41] <skiwithpete> ;)
[17:41] <Shishire> is the 29th release date still "correct"?
[17:41] <Maletor> Does lucid have better support for RAID?
[17:42] <crow> Why i see my hdd also as sg1 device?
[17:42] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: my prayers were answered through partial deprication of HAL and dumbing down the sound settings :P
[17:42] <skiwithpete> FiReSTaRT, when you say you install new version you mean 9.10, 10.04 or do you mean updates?
[17:42] <smokex> from what i'm gathering, yes a stable release will be released on the 29th BUT there will be alot of bg fixes after that date
[17:42] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: 10.04
[17:42] <smokex> bug
[17:42] <charlie-tca> Shishire: yes
[17:42] <Shishire> smokex: just wondering, 'cause of planning a release party
[17:43] <Ken8521> smokex, of course there will be...
[17:43] <Ken8521> smokex, even on a brand new PC that you just plug in w/ a new PC, you can guarantee one of the first things you'll have to do, is update windows.. operating systems are constantly getting updated and fixed
[17:43] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: and if it doesn't fly, 10.10 comes out in about 6 months.. i had to manage by using an el-cheapo dollar store mic
[17:43] <smokex> oh im not complaining.. i do the same thing on my projects which are on a much smaller scale but still follow the same rules
[17:44] <skiwithpete> painful
[17:44] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: still works better than built-in.. there's nothing that can be done to stop it from echoing either through sound setting tweaks or through tweaking the package settings... still i get heard well enough without having to lug a mic
[17:45] <skiwithpete> I'm keen on gnome voice control
[17:45] <Maletor> I am going to have to reinstall Ubuntu because Lucid cannot update a RAID and LVM from Karmic.
[17:45]  * Maletor thinks this is poor.
[17:45] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: i just need it for linphone so i can be reached when i'm out of the country... otherwise, POTS is cheaper for me :)
[17:46] <Shishire> skiwithpete: heh, I'm keen on any program which allows me to say "Computer: Open Firefox"
[17:46] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: ok i'm outta here... the mrs. is callin' and i better run or she'll break out the spatula.. good luck with the mic :)
[17:46] <skiwithpete> POTS?
[17:46] <FiReSTaRT> skiwithpete: Plain Old Telephone Service :P
[17:46] <skiwithpete> cheers FiReSTaRT
[17:47] <skiwithpete> Shishire, I know, I just can't get the internal mic working
[17:47] <Shishire> :/  well, hope you get it working.  There's nothing cooler imo.
[17:48] <skiwithpete> was hoping crimsun might be around, apparently he's the person to talk to
[17:49] <skiwithpete> while I'm here, is there anyone who's got a link to Lubuntu netbook RC?
[17:52] <hueblur> I have an IBM t40p with an ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV250 [Mobility FireGL 9000] (rev 02).  Running 10.4.  Running two monitors.  Movie player and VLC give my a black scrren when trying to watch a movie on the external monitor.  Didn't have this problem with 9.10. . .   I think it has to do something with accelerated graphics.  Here's the kicker.  If I window the player small enough and nudge it to the left of my lcd, it'll play.
[17:52] <hueblur> I nudge it to the right and it flips out.  Suggestions?
[17:52] <Maletor> Let's say I'm doing a fresh install of Lucid from an Alternate CD. How should I map out the partitions? /boot = RAID1 (100MB) 'root' = RAID5 (rest of space) or should i separate out /home ????
[17:53] <hueblur> seperating home allows for better recovery if yo9u have to nuke OS.
[17:53] <crow> why i see one harddisk also as /dev/sg1 ? http://paste.debian.net/70732/
[17:53] <Maletor> hueblur: so how would you set it up?
[17:53] <Maletor> how much space for 'root'
[17:53] <hueblur> Maletor, I like to partition out /, /boot, & /home
[17:54] <Shishire> Maletor: also, if you're using it as a web server, you're probably gonna want to map either /var or /var/www to a separate partition.
[17:54] <hueblur> Maletor, depends.  Server?
[17:54] <Maletor> hueblur: yes it's a webs erver
[17:54] <hueblur> Shishire has an excellent suggestion.
[17:54] <Maletor> and how about for swap, you will need a partition for that
[17:54] <hueblur> yeah
[17:54] <hueblur> swap partition, of course.
[17:54] <hueblur> I usually use 1.5x memory space.
[17:55] <Maletor> so how much space for each considering i have 4 1TB hard drives
[17:55] <z3r0-c001> Hello
[17:55] <hueblur> If its a server, no need to really worry about /home.
[17:55] <DASPRiD> melter, oh, tiny :)
[17:55] <Maletor> well it's also a HTPC
[17:55] <Shishire> I usually partition /boot as part 1, /  as part 2, extended as part 3, and place /home, /var, and swap in 5, 6, and 7 inside the extended.
[17:55] <Maletor> so yes, hueblur: need /home
[17:56] <Maletor> so you use LVM shishire?
[17:56] <DexterF> hi
[17:56] <Maletor> Shishire*
[17:56] <Shishire> Maletor: when I work with multi-disk servers I do
[17:56] <hueblur> Great thing is, Maletor, you can dynamically change the partition size if you're not happy with it.
[17:56] <Maletor> Right non.
[17:56] <Shishire> I usually end up with budget servers, so... :P
[17:56] <hueblur> ext4.
[17:57] <Maletor> I will use all ext4.
[17:57] <Maletor> butter fs is not ready.
[17:57] <Maletor> but how much to partition (size) for part 2?
[17:57] <Maletor> considering part 1 = 100mb and part 3 = rest of disk
[17:58] <DASPRiD> Maletor, 8x2tb here :)
[17:58] <Maletor> part 3 = RAID5 by the way.....
[17:58] <Maletor> part 1 and 2 should be RAID 1 ?
[17:59] <Shishire> given that you're partitioning out /home and /var, you only need space on / for /usr, and /tmp, so <5GB is my guess.
[18:00]  * nmobix finalizing the update to LUCID ...
[18:00] <Maletor> K. I *need* RAID 1 for boot and I should use RAID 1 for 'root' and RAID 5 for part 3?
[18:00] <Shishire> Maletor: software raid or hardware?
[18:00] <Maletor> software...
[18:00] <DASPRiD> software for raid5 is not always best
[18:00] <Maletor> hardware = expensive. plus with my processor i'm not losing much in terms of performance
[18:01] <DASPRiD> melter, hardware raid is more useful by giving you security
[18:01] <DASPRiD> as when your system fails, the raid doesn't
[18:01] <Maletor> read of raid5 is comprible to raid 1. it's when you write to a 5 that you lose performance.
[18:01] <Maletor> hardware raid is expensive too and out of my budget
[18:01] <Maletor> software will be ok for now...
[18:02] <guntbert> DASPRiD: except when the raid controller fails - which I have seen more often than failed HDs
[18:02] <Maletor> maybe with 12.4 :)
[18:02] <DASPRiD> guntbert, really? what manufacturers were the controllers made by?
[18:03] <Shishire> well, Maletor, how much do you value your system data? (as opposed to user data which is /home and /var/www)
[18:03] <guntbert> DASPRiD: one by Dell, the other one I don't know
[18:03] <Maletor> Shishire: i value /home and /var much more than the OS
[18:03] <DASPRiD> guntbert, i'm running fine with an atto controller for years
[18:03] <Jake2|cfl> Ken8521: u watching?  I got wireless working on the bcm4306.
[18:04] <guntbert> DASPRiD: good - as long as you have good backups :-)  -- and we are getting off topic...
[18:04]  * siriusnova installs kernel 2.6.34 rc5 
[18:04]  * siriusnova crosses his fingers
[18:04] <siriusnova> ;)
[18:04] <DASPRiD> guntbert, sorry ;).. and no, i currently don't have a backup solution for 12 TB of data ;)
[18:04] <Shishire> Maletor: then you should be fine with RAID1.  I'd also keep and off-site backup of part 2 just in case.
[18:05] <Maletor> Shishire: meh.
[18:05] <siriusnova> anyone else running 2.6.34 rc5?
[18:05] <Maletor> it would take a lot to kill 3 drives out of 4.
[18:05] <Maletor> raid1 across 4 drives = hyper super awesome performance
[18:06] <Maletor> we will still need to use the alternate CD to setup raid and lvm on lucid right?
[18:06] <DASPRiD> right
[18:06] <DASPRiD> and you are lucky, the raid setup on lucid alternate sinstaller was broken
[18:06] <Shishire> Maletor: RAID1 across 4 drives + RAID 5 across same 4 drives + software RAID = potential disaster if comp borks.
[18:06] <DASPRiD> Maletor, they just got it fixed today ;)
[18:07] <Maletor> i will wait until the 29th
[18:07] <Maletor> everything is in production now in karmic, just wanting to update...
[18:07] <NateW> in ubuntu 9.10, xrandr -x would mirror the screen horizontally, in 10.04 it does the same, but also makes the cursor disappear. why would this happen?
[18:07] <Maletor> Shishire: i beg to differ
[18:08] <Maletor> what do you mean if comp borks?
[18:10] <crow> why i see one harddisk also as /dev/sg1 ? http://paste.debian.net/70732/
[18:10] <nmobix> guys after restarting the from the upgrade I see two kernels installed why is this so?
[18:11] <nmobix> and the cursor of the mouse has turned into a cross
[18:11] <nmobix> :(
[18:13] <nmobix> i think it is compiz
[18:13] <nmobix> just switched to metacity, and the cross turned into the regular cursor
[18:15] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o
[18:17] <nmobix> how come i have 2 kernels installed both 2.6.32-21 and 2.6.32-20?
[18:17] <atrus> what do the various indicator messaging-menu icons mean? it seems to be either white or green, and then it can be an open or closed envelope...
[18:18] <vish> atrus: the open envelope was nuked :D
[18:18] <yofel> nmobix: older kernels are never removed (the images) in case an upgrade may fail or the new kernel might have a regression, if -21 works for you you can remove 20
[18:18] <atrus> vish: when? I still have it on my screen.
[18:19] <vish> atrus: if have all the updates , it should be removed.. the shape is the same only color changes
[18:19] <vish> if you*
[18:20] <iconmefisto> anyone using the radeon driver, when you go to http://www.alternet.org/ does the banner at the top of the page look like this? http://img130.imageshack.us/my.php?image=plasmadesktopce1506.jpg
[18:20] <NateW> using xrandr makes the cursor invisible.. i can get it to reappear by locking the screen.. this would be a bug?
[18:20] <atrus> vish: i'm on 0.3.6-0ubuntu2, which packages.ubuntu.com suggests is the newest
[18:20] <atrus> vish: to be clear, there's 3 states i can see. there's closed-white, open-white, and closed-green.
[18:21] <vish> atrus: do you have ubuntu-mono 0.18 ?
[18:21] <vish> o,0,18
[18:21] <vish> argh!
[18:21] <vish> 0.0.18
[18:21] <atrus> no, 0.0.17.
[18:22] <vish> atrus: well , with 18 it is now only 2
[18:22] <NetSKaVeN> any help with nvidia problems in Kubuntu Lucid RC?
[18:23] <vish> iconmefisto: i'm using radeon ,and no problem like the screenshot.. who long has the system been running?
[18:23] <vish> how long*
[18:24] <iconmefisto> vish: you mean current uptime? or how long since lucid install?
[18:24] <vish> iconmefisto: yup , uptime
[18:24] <iconmefisto> vish: 1 day,  3:27
[18:25] <iconmefisto> vish: but X restarted about 6 hours ago
[18:25] <jester7> Is anyone able to burn the 10.04 RC desktop iso onto a CD?
[18:25] <vish> iconmefisto: try a guest session? what happens
[18:25] <jester7> I keep getting "not enough free space"
[18:25] <iconmefisto> vish: did you use firefox to try that site?
[18:25] <vish> iconmefisto: just a sec
[18:25] <asavar> Hi, it's very hard to google it due very common word "tuned", so... I've heard something about fedora's tuned daemon which helps to consume power. Is that thing make a sense in ubuntu and if yes, what's the plans for it?  I didn't fount it in lynx repos...
[18:26] <vish> iconmefisto: yeah firefox
[18:26] <jester7> and of course it is a blank disc
[18:26] <iconmefisto> vish: do we have guest sessions in ubuntu?
[18:26] <nmobix> yofel, how do i go about passing parameters to the kernel
[18:26] <vish> iconmefisto: i'v been noticing certain problems only when the system has been running for long hrs , if i restart X the problems reduce but occurs nevertheless..
[18:27] <vish> iconmefisto: from the shutdown icon , you will have option "guest session" , do you see that?
[18:28] <iconmefisto> vish: using kubuntu, no I don't see guest session
[18:28] <vish> iconmefisto: ah.. ok.. whats $ glxinfo | grep "GLX version"
[18:28] <iconmefisto> vish: GLX version: 1.2
[18:30] <vish> iconmefisto: same here, what card are you using btw?
[18:31] <iconmefisto> vish: Radeon Xpress 200M on a laptop
[18:33] <myk_robinson> need some help. Ran some updates a little bit ago, and now cannot boot into any kernel or recovery mode. Ideas or suggestions?
[18:33] <iconmefisto> vish: I sometimes see that kind of corruption on some sites, but scrolling down, then up again, clears it up. but not on this particular site
[18:34] <vish> iconmefisto: yeah , i'v noticed it too , whats $ grep PCI: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:34] <mininessie> hey is there an update for nvidia to support cmyk
[18:35] <vish> iconmefisto: trying to see if we have the same drivers i'm using RV 515
[18:35] <iconmefisto> (--) PCI:*(0:1:5:0) 1002:5a62:103c:30ba ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] rev 0, Mem @ 0xd0000000/268435456, 0xc0000000/65536, I/O @ 0x00009000/256, BIOS @ 0x????????/131072
[18:35] <mininessie> hey is there an update for nvidia to support cmyk
[18:37] <mininessie> hey is there an update for nvidia to support cmyk
[18:37] <charlie-tca> !patience | mininessie
[18:38] <nmobix> iconmefisto, I have the same graphic card and somehow it is not using the radeon driver
[18:39] <nmobix> i have no way of enabling compiz or 3d for that matter
[18:39] <nmobix> iconmefisto, is it working for you?
[18:39] <soreau> nmobix: Can you pastebin your X log?
[18:39] <iconmefisto> nmobix: yes, it's working. compositing/desktop effects work fine
[18:40] <vish> iconmefisto: well , yours seems to be RC410 , not the same though
[18:40] <iconmefisto> nmobix: I upgraded from karmic. is yours a fresh install perhaps?
[18:41] <nmobix> iconmefisto, i just finished an upgrade from karmic 2
[18:41] <nmobix> soreau, sorry for the dumb question but how do I pastebin it... :)
[18:41] <nmobix> soreau, can you be a bit more specific?
[18:41] <vish> !pastebin > nmobix
[18:41] <iconmefisto> !paste
[18:41] <spanther> will 10.04 include the ASUS eeePC 1005p WLAN driver?
[18:41] <soreau> nmobix: /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[18:42] <nmobix> soreau, thnx
[18:42] <vish> iconmefisto: when you file a bug for your problem , do mention it.. ;)
[18:43] <zen933k> any laptop gurus out there who might be able to help me figure out why the my laptop doesn't get a accurate reading anymore? karmic was fine, but with the upgrade if I unplug my laptop and go into standby it says I have 5%(but 2 hours of use) when I come back, acpi is showing odd numbers.
[18:43] <iconmefisto> vish: mention what? RC410 ?
[18:43] <mininessie> is there an update for nvidia to support cmyk
[18:43] <DexterF> tried to boot rc1 live desktop 32b on an ibm thinkpad r51, gave me "unrecoverable error" - ?
[18:44] <vish> iconmefisto: i meant the bug# :)
[18:44] <vish> iconmefisto: i seem to be having similar problems
[18:44] <nmobix> http://paste.ubuntu.com/422909/
[18:45] <nmobix> soreau, i guess this should do it... http://paste.ubuntu.com/422909/
[18:45] <charlie-tca> mininessie: please don't keep asking
[18:45] <charlie-tca> mininessie: apparently nobody knows.
[18:46] <xXedixXx> In the "Cleaning up" stage of the upgrade now :)
[18:46] <soreau> nmobix: The problem is you have fglrx glx module installed which does not support your card
[18:47] <nmobix> soreau, any suggestions on how to remedy that?
[18:47] <Italian_Plumber1> <-- is testling upgrading a server from hardy to lucid
[18:47] <soreau> nmobix: Depends on how you installed fglrx
[18:48] <nmobix> soreau, I have almost no clue
[18:48] <xXedixXx> RESTARTING! - See you in 10.04 :)
[18:48] <nmobix> soreau, this installation began with jaunty jackalope
[18:48] <nmobix> :)
[18:48] <soreau> nmobix: Can you pastebin the output of dpkg -l|grep fglrx ?
[18:48] <DexterF> hm, gotta run, tinker later
[18:49] <nmobix> soreau, 1 sec
[18:49] <zen933k> mininessie: http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_ia32_195.36.15.html  You should search those documents for CYMK support
[18:50] <nmobix> soreau, the output of dpkg -l | grep fglrx is @ http://paste.ubuntu.com/422911/
[18:50] <nmobix> oh btw, THANK YOU for taking ur time to help me with this
[18:51] <nmobix> soreau, thnx
[18:51] <soreau> nmobix: You need to remove all of those packages and reinstall libgl-mesa-glx and -dri then reboot
[18:51] <xXedixXx> Okay..
[18:51] <nmobix> soreau, do i do it with apt-get remove, or through modprobe?
[18:51] <xXedixXx> I am now in Ubuntu 10.04 and as I expected, I think the wireless problems have come back!
[18:51] <xXedixXx> For FUCK SAKE
[18:52] <soreau> nmobix: They are packages, not kernel modules
[18:52] <yofel> !language | xXedixXx
[18:52] <nmobix> soreau, right sorry
[18:52] <xXedixXx> I do not understand why UPGRADING would screw up my wireless connectivity.
[18:52] <xXedixXx> yofel, did you say to try wicd?
[18:52] <yofel> xXedixXx: as I said, can you please try it with wicd?
[18:52] <xXedixXx> Alright.
[18:52] <xXedixXx> apt-get install wicd I presume?
[18:53] <yofel> I think yes
[18:53] <nmobix> soreau, is the -dri standing for libgl-mesa-dri?
[18:53] <soreau> yes
[18:54] <xXedixXx> Installing wicd
[18:54] <xXedixXx> Starting Network connection manager wicd                              [fail]  :S
[18:54] <xXedixXx> Now what?
[18:55] <xXedixXx> yofel, it seems that NM is still running, how do I use wicd?
[18:56] <nmobix> soreau, libgl-mesa-glx
[18:56] <nmobix> is not on apt
[18:56] <nmobix> :(
[18:56] <soreau> nmobix: its libgl1-mesa-
[18:56] <NateW> how do you disable modesetting?
[18:56] <NateW> im using onboard intel graphics
[18:56] <yofel> xXedixXx: 'sudo service network-manager stop' and 'sudo service wicd start' I think
[18:56] <soreau> NateW: Boot with nomodeset as a kernel param
[18:56] <xXedixXx> Ty
[18:56] <nmobix> soreau, thnx
[18:57] <nmobix> soreau, it says that they are already installed
[18:57] <xXedixXx> It's started.
[18:57] <NateW> soreau: how would i do that?
[18:57] <xXedixXx> Now what?
[18:57] <soreau> nmobix: Reinstall them
[18:57] <nmobix> soreau, hmm what is the option for re-install
[18:57] <soreau> NateW: Press E at grub splash/prompt
[18:57] <soreau> nmobix: install --reinstall?
[18:57] <NateW> soreau: do i have to do that every time? or can i add that to grub.cfg?
[18:58] <NetSKaVeN> I need help with Kubuntu RC composite and nvidia
[18:58] <yofel> xXedixXx: try if wireless works with it, I'm not exactly sure how wicd works in comparison to nm
[18:58] <nmobix> soreau, thx again, and very sorry for the lameness of the questions ... :)
[18:58] <soreau> NateW: You add kernel params to the kernel line in your boot loader config to make it permanent
[18:58] <nmobix> soreau, all done, shall i reboot?
[18:59] <soreau> nmobix: yes
[18:59] <nmobix> soreau, any boot options?
[18:59] <soreau> nmobix: nope
[18:59] <jester7> is anyone else unable to burn the RC iso to a CD?
[18:59] <jester7> it seems too large for cd's
[18:59] <om26er> any one know which fonts is gwibber using?
[19:00] <soreau> jester7: An it will be until the official release
[19:00] <xXedixXx> I'm reading, thanks yofel.
[19:00] <nmobix> soreau, finished restarting
[19:00] <jester7> soreau: ok, so it's a known issue at least?
[19:00] <nmobix> soreau, wallpaper came fine, after some horizontal blinds
[19:00] <jester7> i can live with that
[19:00] <nmobix> soreau, gdm is yet to be loaded
[19:00] <soreau> jester7: Its not an issue
[19:00] <nmobix> soreau, lots of hdd activity, finally loaded
[19:00] <soreau> its how its always been
[19:01] <nmobix> soreau, how can i verify
[19:01] <soreau> nmobix: Show the output of glxinfo|grep renderer
[19:02] <nmobix> direct rendering: Yes
[19:02] <nmobix> OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI R300 (RS400 5955) 20090101 x86/MMX+/3DNow!+/SSE2 NO-TCL DRI2
[19:02] <nmobix> sorry for pasting it in the open here
[19:02] <soreau> nmobix: Congrats, you have 3D.
[19:02] <BluesKaj> xXedixXx, wicd is quite straightforward in terms of configuring your connection depending on your network settings , check out the options etc
[19:02] <NateW> soreau: is it possible to add nomodeset to /etc/defaults/grub ? would it go with "quiet splash" ?
[19:03] <nmobix> soreau, THANK YOU VERY MUCH
[19:03] <soreau> NateW: I guess
[19:03] <nmobix> soreau, it works indeed
[19:03] <soreau> nmobix: No problem, glad I could help ;)
[19:05] <DanaG> weird... ambience theme is buggy.
[19:05] <DanaG> Hovering over window buttons tends to leave them in undefined state.
[19:05] <DanaG> It'll not leave the "hover" state.
[19:05] <nmobix> soreau, now if I may ask you one final question, is the radeon driver still my current driver?
[19:06] <xXedixXx> Thanks, It's just sitting on "Validating authentication" when I'm trying to connect to my wireless network.
[19:06] <xXedixXx> Failed, bad password :S
[19:06] <soreau> nmobix: I don't really understand what you're asking but yes, you are using the open radeno driver currently
[19:06] <xXedixXx> The password is correct :S
[19:06] <soreau> radeon*
[19:07] <NateW> disabling modesetting still makes the cursor invisible after using xrandr
[19:07] <soreau> nmobix: The open driver can't work with fglrx installed, is what it boils down to
[19:07] <nmobix> soreau, i see
[19:08] <xXedixXx> I keep getting "Bad Password" with wicd even though the password is correct..
[19:08] <NetSKaVeN> I need help with nvidia driver (Kubuntu RC, amd64)
[19:08] <ssn> after the installation of the nvidia driver under lucid lynx (asus ul30vt laptop), ubuntu boots with just a black screen. no matter what buttons i press (alt ctrl f1....), it stays black.how do i rescue the system?
[19:11] <qazibasit> so what lucid stuff i can talk here
[19:11] <yofel> xXedixXx: can you pastebin the output of 'dmesg' and your /var/log/syslog somewhere?
[19:11] <NateW> ssn: hold shift while booting up and choose the newest kernel with recovery mode when in grub.. that should work
[19:11] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: what's the problem?
[19:12] <nmobix> somehow i cannot manage to fix my suspend/resume problem with this computer
[19:12] <nmobix> :(
[19:12] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: glx is not working here
[19:12] <ssn> NateW: no, already tried
[19:12] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: in what way? you get low graphics mode?
[19:12] <nmobix> its very weird, it worked from the live usb, it worked once with the 2.6-31.20 kernel
[19:12] <nmobix> and now it works no more
[19:12] <nmobix> :(
[19:12] <NateW> ssn: what happened?
[19:12] <NateW> recovery mode didnt work?
[19:12] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: no, I have good resolution but no 3D accel I think
[19:13] <ssn> once the xserver starts, everything is black again
[19:13] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: can you enable desktop effects?
[19:13] <NateW> ssn: that i dont know, but you can use a root shell to remove the proprietary drivers
[19:13] <NetSKaVeN> no, they are break too
[19:13] <nmobix> how come the splash screen in lucid for me is a black screen
[19:13] <nmobix> nothing on it
[19:13] <ssn> NateW: how?
[19:13] <ssn> i dont get to any shell
[19:13] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: what happens if you try to run 'glxgears' ?
[19:14] <nmobix> isnt there a way in grub to tell it to show me both messages and splasH?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> Try removing just 'quiet' ?
[19:14] <yofel> nmobix: maybe remove just quiet?
[19:14] <charlie-tca> That used to work
[19:14] <xXedixXx> This is actually stupid.
[19:14] <NateW> it should come up with options before you reach an x session.. choose root shell and run apt-get remove nvidia-glx-???
[19:15] <crow> why i see one harddisk also as /dev/sg1 ? http://paste.debian.net/70732/
[19:15] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: Error: glXCreateContext failed
[19:15] <yofel> NateW: the package names have changed
[19:15] <nmobix> how do i make that a permanent thing than (the just quiet option)?
[19:15] <crow> is there anyone here who know stuff like i postet above... i this chan is just user exchange?
[19:16] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: ok... what does 'ls -l /etc/alternatives/gl_conf' tell you?
[19:16] <NateW> yofel: in synaptic, it still shows nvidia-glx-*
[19:16] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2010-04-26 19:29 /etc/alternatives/gl_conf -> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[19:17] <NateW> i know they added nvidia-current
[19:17] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: that sounds fine...
[19:17] <bjsnider> ssn, does that thing have dual gpus?
[19:17] <NetSKaVeN> yeah, I think that too
[19:17] <charlie-tca> crow: external drive, smartcard, ??
[19:17] <crow> charlie-tca internal SAS drive
[19:17] <mdlueck> I just did a Lucid install using 20100426.1 - the pre-existing WinXP is not on the grub menu. Is there something wrong with the auto-detect of other OS's?
[19:17] <yofel> NateW: yes, there are such packages for the transition, point is that installing them will install the driver, removing them won't remove the driver
[19:18] <yofel> NateW: as they just pull in the new packages
[19:18] <crow> charlie-tca but i have it mounted over fstab, and there is nothing that point it to /dev/sg1 what ever that should be
[19:18] <NateW> yofel: okay.. what is the package names to remove?
[19:18] <NateW> *are
[19:18] <underdev> mdlueck: lucid was just trying to do you a favor :)
[19:18] <yofel> NateW: nvidia-current, nvidia-173 and nvidia-96
[19:18] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: can you run 'sudo ldconfig' and try again?
[19:19] <charlie-tca> crow: is sdb and sg1 the same drive?
[19:19] <underdev> mdlueck: in all seriously, nothing has destroyed more vital data in my life than grub2
[19:19] <NateW> yofel: thanks, good to know
[19:19] <mdlueck> underdev: Very funny... aaaaa!!! Wrong answer, thank you for playing the game." ;-
[19:19] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: and you are using the ubuntu package and not the driver from the nvidia site?
[19:19] <ssn> after the installation of the nvidia driver under lucid lynx (asus ul30vt laptop), ubuntu boots with just a black screen. no matter what buttons i press (alt ctrl f1....), it stays black (also in rescue mode)
[19:19] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: yeah
[19:19] <NetSKaVeN> and it works great before update to Lucid
[19:19] <mdlueck> underdev: True, I still use Lilo at times
[19:19] <bjsnider> ssn, last time i'm going to ask you this. does it have dual gpus?
[19:20] <crow> charlie-tca yes as is here to see http://paste.debian.net/70744/
[19:20] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: did you try 'sudo ldconfig' ?
[19:20] <NetSKaVeN> nvidia-current are the good ones or the bad ones?
[19:20] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: good one
[19:20] <NetSKaVeN> it's ok then
[19:20] <ssn> bjsnider: yes i do, that is the problem. there is no option in the bios to switch off or to the intel card
[19:20] <NetSKaVeN> ldconfig out is blank
[19:20] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: ok, tried glxgears again?
[19:21] <charlie-tca> crow: something strange about a partition on sdb, then?
[19:21] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: the same
[19:21] <bjsnider> ssn, well, your system wants to use the intel chip, and you'll have to boot into safe mode or whatever and remove the nvidia driver and xorg.conf file
[19:21] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: can you pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log ?
[19:21] <NetSKaVeN> yeah
[19:21] <ssn> bjsnider: as i already said, not possible
[19:21] <mdlueck> Speaking of nvidia drivers, where has envy gone? I do not see it in the package list.
[19:21] <NetSKaVeN> what is the pastebin?
[19:22] <bjsnider> mdlueck, alberto retired it a long time ago
[19:22] <bjsnider> like years
[19:22] <mdlueck> bjsnider: news to me. What do we transition to... those of us that use it.
[19:23] <bjsnider> use jockey
[19:23] <crow> charlie-tca well yea there is partition and i can write to it but this is strange with fdisk : Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table
[19:23] <mdlueck> Is "jockey" related to the top tray icon for restricted drivers?
[19:24] <qazibasit> where can i download the ubuntu 10.04
[19:24] <mdlueck> qazibasit: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[19:24] <charlie-tca> crow: that's why it shows the sg1 partition
[19:24] <soreau> ! lucid | qazibasit
[19:24] <soreau> ! download
[19:24] <charlie-tca> Is that a windows partition?
[19:25] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/422928/
[19:25] <mdlueck> bjsnider: Is "jockey" related to the top tray icon for restricted drivers?
[19:25] <crow> charlie-tca drive was empty (new bought today) 2TB i created parition with fdisk, formated with xfs "mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1" mounted over fstab and i cant write to that partition just fine...
[19:25] <cjefferson> I have a bizarre problem - whenever I press 's', the "Lock Screen" menu pops up. This is still happening after a reboot.
[19:26] <crow> charlie-tca does fdisk support >=2TB
[19:26] <crdlb> cjefferson: look in system > prefs > keyboard shortcuts?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> crow: I don't really know. but it is not formatted right. something went wrong with it
[19:27] <LzrdKing> how is lucid better than karmic?
[19:27] <Reckon> cjefferson, specifically the shortcut assigned to lock the screen
[19:27] <charlie-tca> crow: perhaps 'man fdisk' will tell you
[19:27] <bjsnider> mdlueck, "restricted drivers manager" is the user-friendly name for jockey. you can also find it in system>administration
[19:27] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: can you try to reinstall the driver? on line 137ff there is an error from the RENDER module
[19:27] <Reckon> the default is Ctrl+Alt+L
[19:27] <crow> charlie-tca well it mount just fine and writing to it works to...
[19:28] <NetSKaVeN> I reinstalled it too
[19:28] <mdlueck> bjsnider: Thanks, then I will allow that interface to install the nvidia drivers. Will see how that works.
[19:28] <yofel> hm...
[19:28] <NetSKaVeN> I reinstalled and reboot
[19:28] <yofel> bjsnider: do you know what would prevent RENDER from working?
[19:29] <bjsnider> yofel, how do you mean exactly?
[19:30] <yofel> bjsnider: see NetSKaVeNs log http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/422928/ line 138
[19:30] <ssn> isnt there a way to start ubuntu without X?
[19:31] <nmobix> guys how do i modify grub2 in lucid
[19:31] <yofel> ssn: disable gdm?
[19:31] <nmobix> any differences between karmic and lucid on grub
[19:31] <ssn> my whole system is done for, just because X does not work
[19:31] <bjsnider> yofel, alternatives would stop it
[19:31] <bjsnider> it's complaining about the glx module, which aternatives is providing
[19:31] <yofel> bjsnider: he said http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/422928/
[19:31] <yofel> argh
[19:31] <yofel> yofel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 34 2010-04-26 19:29 /etc/alternatives/gl_conf -> /usr/lib/nvidia-current/ld.so.conf
[19:31] <crow> charlie-tca [ 23.853737] Ending clean XFS mount for filesystem: sdb1
[19:32] <bjsnider> yofel, yes but are all of the required files there
[19:32] <charlie-tca> crow: I don't then
[19:32] <LzrdKing> if i have karmic on a fileserver, is there any reason to upgrade to lucid?  i don't care about boot times and dbus events and hal and "prettier; will it serve files faster?
[19:32] <charlie-tca> crow: sorry, I don't know the answer, then.
[19:32] <crow> charlie-tca thnx for try
[19:32] <ojii> the wiki tells me I need the 'broadcom' wireless drivers for my macbook pro. Since I don't have access to a cable internet here I'd like to manually download them to a usb stick from this notebook. does anyone know which packages I need for those 'broadcom' wireless?
[19:33] <charlie-tca> LzrdKing: if it works... I don't think I would upgrade rapidly, give it a month or two, anyway, to get the bugs shook up good
[19:34] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: what does 'ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so' tell you?
[19:35] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 2010-04-26 19:29 /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so -> libglx.so.195.36.15
[19:35] <cjefferson> crdlb: I've looked down keyboard shortcuts, and cleared 'lock the screen'. It is still happening. No short-cut seems to have an 's' in it.
[19:35] <cjefferson> But pressing 's' still makes the 'lock screen/log out/restart/shut down' menu pop up
[19:36] <ssn> after the installation of the nvidia driver under lucid lynx (asus ul30vt laptop), ubuntu boots with just a black screen. no matter what buttons i press (alt ctrl f1....), it stays black (also in rescue mode)
[19:36] <fauzy> hello
[19:36] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: and 'ls -l /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf' ?
[19:37] <Ken8521> ssn, do you eventually get to the log in screen?
[19:37] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2010-04-26 19:29 /etc/ld.so.conf.d/GL.conf -> /etc/alternatives/gl_conf
[19:37] <cjefferson> I've got two non-working keys, the other is 'm', which opens the mail menu
[19:37] <ssn> Ken8521: no, never
[19:37] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: and 'ls -l /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so.195.36.15' ?
[19:37] <Ken8521> hmm.
[19:37] <fauzy> cjefferson: have you chortcuts?ecked your sh
[19:38] <fauzy> shortcuts
[19:38] <ssn> not in rescue mode not in normal mode, no keys are working
[19:38] <ssn> no crtl alt del, no crt alt f button, nothing
[19:38] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4123528 2010-04-09 20:07 /usr/lib/nvidia-current/xorg/libglx.so.195.36.15
[19:38] <yofel> then I'm confused... this *should* work...
[19:38] <ssn> i just want a shell, so i can get rid of the nvidia driver
[19:38] <NetSKaVeN> yeah, I think the same  xD
[19:38] <bjsnider> yofel, was he ever using the nvidia-installer? if so it probably overwrote glx libs, as it is wont to do
[19:39] <NetSKaVeN> bjsnider: I use ubuntu packages only
[19:40] <NetSKaVeN> but I can uninstall all and install it again, no problem
[19:40] <fauzy> can someone help with a ALSP touchpad issue?
[19:40] <bjsnider> use jockey
[19:40] <NetSKaVeN> ok, I try it
[19:40] <Ken8521> fauzy, touchpad still hinky?
[19:41] <fauzy> man...
[19:41] <fauzy> yes
[19:41] <crow> charlie-tca actualy you cant "fdisk -l /dev/sdb1" not partition but a disk "fdisk -l /dev/sdb" .. and there is no error doing it
[19:42] <NetSKaVeN> yofel, bjsnider : I will reboot now, see you later
[19:42] <fauzy> noting seems to work. xinput list shows it. xinput test (u cant seem tofind the file its loggin to)
[19:42] <charlie-tca> crow: but sdb1 is a single partiton, sdb is the entire drive. If sg1 is a partition on sdb, fdisk sdb1 won't affect it
[19:43] <crow> charlie-tca yea but i have just one partition on that samsung drive and i have just one samsung drive attached...
[19:43] <ssn> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/540602
[19:43] <ssn> Importance low?
[19:44] <fauzy> ken: any ideas?
[19:44] <ssn> the whole system gets unusable if the user does as jockey/ubuntu requests, and this bug is unimportant?????
[19:44] <Ken8521> !tab | fauzy no, i have no idea
[19:45] <fauzy> !tab | ken thanks.
[19:45] <Pici> ssn: You commented one minute ago.  Do you really expect an update that quickly?
[19:46] <guntbert> fauzy: you really should use the complete nick of your partner -- not just part of it
[19:46] <Ken8521> fauzy, you totally missed the point... i don't just sit and watch irc scroll.. if you hack my name, irc doesn't alert me someone wanted to talk to me... so from this point forward, i won't be responding unless you use my full name
[19:46] <fauzy> Ken8521: thanks
[19:46] <Ken8521> fauzy, ther eyou go.
[19:46] <fauzy> ;)
[19:46] <ssn> Pici: it wasnt me who reported the bug. I am just angry right now, because of the missing option to boot ubuntu in text mode
[19:47] <Pici> ssn: Er, then that doesn't sound like the same issue that was reported in the bug.
[19:48] <crdlb> cjefferson: oh, that's not what I thought you meant
[19:48] <ssn> it is exactly the bug
[19:48] <ssn> exact same problem
[19:49] <guntbert> ssn: and venting your anger here doesn't help your issue at all
[19:49] <ssn> so tell me that there is no way to rescue my system
[19:49] <crdlb> cjefferson: those shortcuts are supposed to use the super key (usually the Windows key)
[19:50] <cjefferson> I don't have a windows key (I'm on a mac)
[19:50] <ssn> so i can devote my time on installing gentoo, which in this case might take less time to be up and running properly
[19:50] <cjefferson> but that tells me where the problem might be :)
[19:50] <fauzy> ssn: i have set up machines with nvidia. maybe i can help.
[19:50] <Pici> ssn: Are you using an Nvidia video card as well?
[19:50] <crdlb> cjefferson: the apple key should do it then, iirc
[19:51] <cjefferson> Ah ha, apple+s displays an s!
[19:51] <ssn> Pici: ? the thing has to videocards, it is the same laptop. one of them is the nvidia, which does not work, the other one is from intel
[19:52] <ssn> two videocards + laptop + linux = stupid buy :-)
[19:53] <fauzy> ssn: dumb question, the intel one...is it by chance an i series cpu in your laptop?
[19:53] <ssn> no, it has a core cpu in it.
[19:53] <cjefferson> Does anyone know how to swap the state of a key (the apple key in my case), ubuntu seems to have it the wrong way around.
[19:53] <ssn> http://gdgt.com/asus/ul30vt/specs/
[19:54] <NetSKaVeN> hell-o!
[19:54] <sobersabre> hi.
[19:54] <ssn> ok i will reinstall ubuntu now and NOT install the nvidia driver
[19:54] <sobersabre> for some reason while using chromium, on lucid I am getting a strange mouse craziness.
[19:54] <sobersabre> at some point chromium gets wacked off, and the mouse cannot left click.
[19:55] <sobersabre> I can right click, middle click, but cannot left click for a while.
[19:55] <sobersabre> after a while "it gets released"
[19:55] <sobersabre> has anybody seen/heard of something like this ?
[19:56] <crdlb> ssn: have you tried uninstalling the nvidia driver from the recovery console?
[19:56] <NetSKaVeN> yofel, bjsnider: the problem is here yet, I reinstalled nvidia-current (cleaning the dirs), reboot, try to activate with jockey but it doesn't work
[19:56] <sobersabre> moment relogging into lucid after intel graphic driver...
[19:56] <Alfihar> just trying to install 10.04 again, as installing grub into a partition seems to be broken on my machines, can I just not install grub during the installation and install it later to a partition manually?
[19:56] <juaneldebla_>  e actualizado a 10.04 LTS y al querer arranacar windows desde el grub se me queda la pantalla  en negro y no ace nada
[19:57] <ssn> crdlb: the recovery console does NOT work either, same issue
[19:58] <NetSKaVeN> yofel: I will try to reboot again
[19:58] <mawst> Is there still a memory leak problem with gnome/compiz/glx?
[19:58] <charlie-tca> !spanish | juaneldebla
[19:59] <soreau> mawst: bug report link?
[19:59] <qazibasit> how to install lucid on a USB and then boot it from the USB
[19:59] <qazibasit> ?
[20:00] <yofel> mawst: can be, the GEM leak was fixed though
[20:00] <mawst> Not sure... it was in the topic for some time.
[20:00] <crdlb> ssn: is there a hardware switch to select the intel gpu? and if so, does that fail to boot as well?
[20:00] <juaneldebla_>  e actualizado a 10.04 LTS y al querer arranacar windows desde el grub se me queda la pantalla  en negro y no ace nada
[20:00] <juaneldebla_> no entiendo ingles seguro que alguno sabe español
[20:01] <NoNick> re
[20:01] <alex_mayorga> juaneldebla_: di!
[20:01] <ojii> if i choose 'share network' in for my eth0 settings on this notebook (karmic), what settings do i have to chose on the other end (lucid)?
[20:02] <perscitus> You know guys... Whats better then burning Ubuntu iso to cd ?
[20:02] <NetSKaVeN> yofel, bjsnider: mmm problem yet here, I think I will report bug
[20:02] <sobersabre> ok, I'm back
[20:02] <demism> perscitus: putting it on a usb flash drive...
[20:02] <perscitus> demism,   Exactly.
[20:03] <perscitus> demism,   Boots faster too
[20:03] <yofel> NetSKaVeN: file it with 'ubuntu-bug nvidia-current' please
[20:03] <juaneldebla_> no entiendo ingles seguro que alguno sabe español
[20:03] <NetSKaVeN> ok
[20:03] <juaneldebla_>  e actualizado a 10.04 LTS y al querer arranacar windows desde el grub se me queda la pantalla  en negro y no ace nada
[20:03] <Pici> !es
[20:04] <juaneldebla_> ay me mandan paca
[20:04] <yofel> #ubuntu-es+1 maybe?
[20:04] <qazibasit> what i figured uptil now is that we cant make a usb bootable version of lucid
[20:04] <demism> I'll translate his question, he says he just upgraded to 10.04 but when he tries to boot into windows he just gets a black screen.
[20:04] <yofel> qazibasit: sure you can
[20:04] <yofel> !usb
[20:04] <demism> juaneldebla_: traduci tu pregunta para ver si alguien te puede ayudar
[20:05] <qazibasit> thanks yofel and ubottu
[20:05] <mewshi_> Hey, can someone help me get the ATI drivers working?
[20:05] <almoxarife> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/libx264-94_2%3a0.94.1564+svn20100426-gita927654~webupd8~lucid7_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/libx264.so.94', which is also in package libx264-83 2 <--- any idea what is causing this error in synaptic after a update?
[20:05] <yofel> almoxarife: the package is missing a conflicts on libx264-83
[20:06] <mvo> almoxarife: that is a bug in the libx264 package, where does this version comes from?
[20:06] <juaneldebla_> and upgraded to 4.10 LTS and want arranacar windows from grub I have the black screen and nothing ace
[20:06] <almoxarife> mvo: version?
[20:06] <juaneldebla_> 10.04
[20:06] <almoxarife> lucid, yes
[20:06] <soreau> mewshi_: Why are you trying to use ati drivers?
[20:07] <mewshi_> because I want compositing on my desktop?
[20:07] <vivid> because he has an ati card?
[20:07] <yofel> mvo: btw, do you know how update-manager handles the partner repos? does it comment it out too or update it?
[20:07] <alex_mayorga> juaneldebla_: prueba #ubuntu-mx-nle yo hablo español ahí :)
[20:07] <soreau> mewshi_: what's the problem then?
[20:07] <juaneldebla_> ok
[20:08] <mewshi_> I installed it once, it came up with a thing when I rebooted saying that the xorg.conf wasn't configured properly
[20:08] <mewshi_> hang on, let me retry this
[20:08] <mewshi_> how do I restart X?
[20:08] <mvo> yofel: it should upgrade it
[20:08] <soreau> log out
[20:08] <cheche> Just curious, most problems with lucid seems to be Graphic cards right?
[20:08] <yofel> mvo: k, thanks
[20:09] <yofel> cheche: graphics cards and boot splash most of the time
[20:09] <xXedixXx> Alright, yofel, installing wicd caused more problems, I tried to downgrade wicd and that caused a different problem.
[20:09] <xXedixXx> It's a loop of stuff not working.
[20:09] <cheche> yofel: thanks!
[20:09] <yofel> cheche: see the known issues on the rc release page for others
[20:10] <yofel> cheche: a few of those have been fixed though
[20:10] <xXedixXx> Sorry, dced.
[20:10] <xXedixXx> Any help?
[20:11] <cheche> yofel: it just curiosity.. I have been installing systems since alpha1, and other parts of the systems have been working fine for me.
[20:11] <yofel> xXedixXx: can you get us your /var/log/syslog in a pastebin after a failed connection attempt?
[20:12] <xXedixXx> Erm
[20:12] <nae_> Hey guys! Since I have installed Lucid today, my PC keeps freezing at the BIOS (!) screen every second or third boot. At first I didnt think  it would relate to Lucid, but after testing with Windows, LiveCDs and restarting from GRUB I have found that it seems to relate to the  shutdown process of Lucid, which seems unprobable and almost impossible to my... any suggestions?
[20:12] <cjefferson> Is there any way to tell ubuntu to switch the state of a modifier. Lucid seems to have my windows key the wrong way around.
[20:12] <yofel> xXedixXx: try to connect, copy the file and put it into a pastebin
[20:14] <xXedixXx> Too late yofel, uninstalled wicd
[20:14] <An_Ony_Moose> hah
[20:14] <xXedixXx> I could try on network manager
[20:14] <yofel> xXedixXx: doesn't matter, give us the NM log then
[20:14] <yofel> as long as it still fails
[20:15] <An_Ony_Moose> I messed everything up when upgrading to 10.04 by installing GRUB only on the partitions. I fixed it in probably the most unintelligent way: Installing the RC AGAIN on my media drive. But now it boots properly again, so I'm happy :)
[20:16] <nmobix> ping ChanServ
[20:17] <screen-x> which package is empathy irc support in?
[20:18] <vivid> screen-x, should be installed by default
[20:19] <screen-x> isn't an option in my lucid install :(
[20:19] <vivid> from your contact list, Edit -> Accounts
[20:19] <vivid> click add and select IRC from the dropdown box
[20:19] <screen-x> yep not in that list
[20:20] <crdlb> I don't have irc in that list either, and I have telepathy-idle installed
[20:20] <screen-x> I have telepathy-idle installed also
[20:21] <crdlb> seems the wizard is broken
[20:21] <crdlb> or at least confusing
[20:22] <vivid> wierd, i have it on my list, and it works but sucks compared to xchat-gnome
[20:22] <vega> can anybody explain why i need to type "setxkbmap fi" after every single login to get the keyboard mapping right?
[20:22] <crdlb> if you choose the second option ("Yes, I'll enter my account details now"), you can choose any protocol, but not if you choose "No, I want a new account"
[20:22] <crdlb> in that case, you can only make a jabber account
[20:22] <vivid> vega, add 'setxkbmap fi' to System->Preferences->Startup Applications
[20:23] <crdlb> screen-x: is that the situation you're seeing?
[20:23] <screen-x> vega or system > preferences > keyboard
[20:23] <vega> vivid: that's a workaround.. not a fix :) besides, user entries in "startup applications" disappear from time to time (a bug also)
[20:23] <vega> screen-x: it is correct in there
[20:23] <vivid> ive never seen anything disappear from gnome-session
[20:24] <screen-x> crdlb: nope, If I chose "no, I want a new account" I only get jabber, if I chose "yes..." then I get a longer list that doesn't include irc
[20:24] <vega> screen-x: as it also is in /etc/default/console-setup (XKBLAYOUT="fi")
[20:24] <crdlb> screen-x: oh, same here ...
[20:24] <vivid> screen-x, check that you have telepathy-idle installed
[20:24] <vega> vivid: it happens both on karmic and lucid, seemingly randomly
[20:24] <nae_> anybody having any idea regarding my question?
[20:24] <screen-x> wow I cant track vega and vivid in the same conversation
[20:25] <vivid> vega, i use gnome-session for several things, been using ubuntu since breezy, and ive never had anything disappear from the list : (
[20:25] <vega> screen-x: you need a dual core ..
[20:26] <screen-x> :)
[20:26] <xXedixXx> Ello
[20:26] <xXedixXx> Alright..
[20:26] <screen-x> vivid: yeah, I have telepathy-idle installed
[20:26] <crdlb> screen-x: https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/433714
[20:26] <crdlb> it seems an intentional decision by upstream
[20:26] <An_Ony_Moose> firefox won't load anymore after upgrade to lucid...
[20:26] <vega> vivid: haven't been that lucky.. i start a script from there (which does run setxkbmap fi for instancec..), but it disappears from time to time.. so a _real_ fix would be kind of nice
[20:26] <An_Ony_Moose> "Attempting to load the system libmoon
[20:27] <An_Ony_Moose> Segmentation fault"
[20:27] <xXedixXx> Yeah, it's still hopelessly trying to connect yofel.
[20:27] <crdlb> screen-x: if you skip the wizard (which is not easy), you can add IRC from the regular accounts dialog
[20:27] <xXedixXx> Wheres the log file again?
[20:27] <An_Ony_Moose> now I would compile a debug build, but I don't want to >.>
[20:27] <yofel> xXedixXx: /var/log/syslog
[20:27] <screen-x> crdlb: do I have to create a fake account with another service, just so I can skip the wizard?
[20:27] <yofel> An_Ony_Moose: tried to remove moonlight?
[20:27] <crdlb> screen-x: yes, just type gibberish for the jabber details
[20:28] <An_Ony_Moose> yofel, just trying that now :)
[20:28] <crdlb> screen-x: or use a real irc client ;)
[20:28] <vivid> screen-x, xchat-gnome is much better
[20:28] <screen-x> ok got it now, that is serious ui fail.
[20:28] <yofel> just use plain xchat
[20:28] <screen-x> I'm using xchat at the mo :)
[20:28] <vivid> xchat looks like crap though : p
[20:28] <m0RrE> irssi <3
[20:29] <yofel> < quassel :P
[20:29] <m0RrE> you can't argue with this.. irssi > *
[20:29] <cpbtklogic> Anyone have a problem with gdm not allowing logins anymore?
[20:29] <vivid> what? nobody uses mIRC anymore?
[20:29] <screen-x> I use irssi when in a terminal, but I like graphical clients for the notifications
[20:30] <yofel> not quite, you can use quassel as a replacement for irssi+screen+ssh, irssi is the best cli  client out there though
[20:30] <cpbtklogic> and, as a follow up, how do I disable services started with upstart from starting automatically?
[20:31] <An_Ony_Moose> oh crap... is flash
[20:31]  * An_Ony_Moose googles first
[20:31] <urthmover> Where do I begin to figure out why "put display to sleep after x minutes" does not work?  It used to work in karmic
[20:31] <yofel> cpbtklogic: completely disable: rename the config file to .conf.disable i think, only disable auto-statup: edit the start on statement in the config file
[20:32] <oni_> I have a support type question
[20:32] <cpbtklogic> what should I edit the 'start on' statement to yofel?
[20:32] <oni_> My headphones do not work on my Dell Studio 17 laptop with the newest 10.04
[20:32] <xXedixXx> Looking at it yofel?
[20:32] <yofel> xXedixXx: erm, where is it?
[20:33] <oni_> Anyone know how to fix it?
[20:33] <xXedixXx> http://pastebin.com/CyJVLRqy
[20:33] <xXedixXx> ^ yofel
[20:34] <yofel> cpbtklogic:  in the /etc/init/<service>.conf edit it, commenting out the start on statement should work
[20:34] <yofel> xXedixXx: thanks, looking now
[20:36] <||arifaX_> anyone arround with powersaving tips for an acer 1810t 734g32n ?
[20:36] <screen-x> crdlb: thanks for your help :)
[20:36]  * ||arifaX_ ||arifaX
[20:36] <tasslehoff> On my MacBook Pro, I have issues connecting to wireless networks. The "signal strength applet" just blinks and blinks, and it never gets any IP adress. It only worked the first time I connected. Sound like a familiar issue?
[20:36] <xXedixXx> Thanks yofel :)
[20:38] <yofel> xXedixXx: ok, I don't know enough about editing to understand more than that it seems to be some wpasupplicant<>driver issue, can you try to connect again, create a bug report in a terminal with 'sudo apport-cli linux' save to a file, copy the file somewhere safe, and later file the report with 'ubuntu-bug <saved_file>' once you have a network connection again?
[20:38] <plasmab> probably already been logged... but the 10.4 RC installer did not recognise my existing windows partition table. I added an ext3 partition with cfdisk but alas it still thinks the disk is blank
[20:38] <yofel> xXedixXx: err.. s/editing/networking/
[20:38] <yofel> I'm getting tired...
[20:38] <xXedixXx> What?
[20:39] <xXedixXx> I don't get what you're on about, sorry.
[20:39] <th1_> hi
[20:40] <th1_> I have an eee 1000he with UNR and I upgraded to lucid beta a couple days ago . it works fine if I choose "gnome" session but in the default netbook session it keeps minimizing the windows I open and switch back to the application chooser
[20:40] <yofel> xXedixXx: I can't help you anymore now, maybe someone else can, but for now, file a bug report on launchpad if possible so the developers know of your problem
[20:40] <th1_> I tried creating a new user to see if that was some old config stuff but its the same with the new user
[20:40] <oni_> Can anyone help me with my sound issue
[20:41] <oni_> Dell Studio 17 laptop, no sound through headphone jack
[20:41] <xXedixXx> Thank you yofel, for all your help :)
[20:41] <An_Ony_Moose> hmm
[20:41] <An_Ony_Moose> where'd the system tray icon for sound go?
[20:41] <cpbtklogic> yofel:  "start off"  instead of "start on"  ?  It seems to work.
[20:41] <vivid> oni_, if nobody replies here, you should search launchpad.net and/or google
[20:41] <crdlb> An_Ony_Moose: it has been replaced by a menu in the indicator applet
[20:42] <yofel> no  idea if that even exists, but why not as long as it works, upstart should only handle 'start on' 'stop on'
[20:42] <An_Ony_Moose> indicator?
[20:42] <oni_> vivid I tried but I only see 64bit fixes
[20:42] <yofel> oni_: fixes are always for 32bit and 64bit
[20:43] <yofel> oni_: if you have time to wait (a few hours usually) you can ping crimsun here, he's an audio dev, but please don't ping him and then leave half an hour later
[20:44] <oni_> ok thanks, i'll ping him tomorrow morning or something then
[20:44] <xXedixXx> Hmm. I've installed wpa_gui (GUI for wpa_supplicant) and I can't really do anything, so maybe my wpa_supplicant is corrupt or something..
[20:45] <plasmab> anyone working on the 10.4 installer?
[20:48] <duffydack> oni_,  Ive got a studio 1747 and ive never tried headphone, and you are right, its not working..
[20:48] <cheche> oni_: try to get the pci device it helps
[20:49] <oni_> Awesome, I'm glad it's not just me
[20:49] <oni_> I'll pull the hardware from the dell website
[20:50] <ballongen> hi! why is the visual effect boxes grey on 10.4 netboot?
[20:51] <mdlueck> I added Lucid 20100426.1 to a WinXP machine. Grub did not list XP until I manually ran update-grub. Bug in the LiveCD version of the OS detect script perhaps? Thoughts anyone?
[20:52] <SandGorgon> what is the web link for the ubuntu CD ?
[20:53] <pitwalker> hi all, I'have serious networking problems; why works always in recovery mode/netroot and not in lxde and gnome???!!!
[20:53] <SandGorgon> 10.04 RC ?
[20:53] <plasmab> mdlueck, i think the Lucid installer has sucky support for GPT
[20:53] <mdlueck> GPT?
[20:53] <plasmab> guid partition tables
[20:53] <switchgirl> can't use a partitioner in virtual machine 3.1.6 to install ubuntu karmic
[20:54] <plasmab> the OS seems happy but the installer sucks
[20:54] <mdlueck> OK, so indeed rebooting into real 10.04 is the workaround?
[20:54] <Ken8521> plasmab, the installer works fine
[20:54] <plasmab> Ken8521, i disagree.. it fails to find my existing partitions completely
[20:54] <Ken8521> switchgirl, did you set up a virtual drive for the live cd to install to?
[20:55] <Ken8521> plasmab, maybe for you, it works perfectly on 4 different systems for me
[20:55] <switchgirl> yeah
[20:55] <plasmab> thats nice for you.. but it doesnt for me on a vanilla windows 7 install with space left for linux
[20:56] <plasmab> the livecd finds the partitions just nice.. the installer fails
[20:56] <plasmab> hence the support for GPT is sucky
[20:56] <vivid> the livecd installer has failed for me in the past
[20:56] <vivid> i would suggest using the alternate install cd, non-fancy working installer
[20:57] <mdlueck> Dualboot addling Linux got a fix in today's daily ISO, thus I specified I started with today's ISO. It was busted even last week.
[20:58] <plasmab> mdlueck, new RC today? i burnt my iso yesterday planning on installing this evening
[20:58] <mdlueck> plasmab: aaahhh, 20100426.1 so yes that be today's
[20:59] <||arifaX> I notice very long waits between the installer steps. is that already know and on a fix plan?
[20:59] <yofel> no new rc, but new daily build
[20:59] <mdlueck> Be sure to pull that one if you need to add Linux in free space behind existing Win
[21:00] <NetSKaVeN> yofel, bjsnider : I reported the bug to launchpad, thanks for the help   :)
[21:00] <duffydack> plasmab, still got the iso ?
[21:00] <plasmab> yeah.. can i rsync it?
[21:00] <yofel> you can zsync it
[21:00] <duffydack> plasmab, I use zsync.
[21:00] <yofel> the isos and the zsync file is on
[21:00] <yofel> !daily
[21:00] <mdlueck> OK, so at least dualboot works today, however Win ends up not on the menu. Anyone know if this has been reported elsewhere already?
[21:00] <butze> hey - i just installed the alternate version of 32 bit ubuntu, encrypted the root and swap partition, created a boot partition but can't install grub in the master boot record - it only tells me the installation of grub failed - same with first partition and so on...
[21:01] <plasmab> mdlueck, im happy to add the windows grub entry manually
[21:01] <mdlueck> zsync is very slick!
[21:01] <plasmab> just want to install
[21:01] <mdlueck> plasmab: It use to add it automagically, so I consider it a bug
[21:02]  * yofel is annoyed that zsync marks the isos with 600 permissions *-.-
[21:02] <plasmab> oh i agree.. but its one i can work around
[21:02] <butze> is there any known bug already in combination with grub2 and the alternate installation process?
[21:03] <plasmab> looks like i downloaded ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[21:03] <Ken8521> butze, i used the alt. cd on my main PC, worked fine
[21:03] <butze> Ken8521; did you encrypt any of your partitions?
[21:03] <Ken8521> no
[21:03] <ballongen> hi! why is the visual effect boxes grey on 10.4 netboot? is it a bug? should i report it?
[21:04] <butze> Ken8521; SSD or HD?
[21:04] <Ken8521> hd
[21:04] <butze> encrypted ssd on my side
[21:04] <yofel> ballongen: graphics card? (and do you mean netbook or netboot?)
[21:05] <ballongen> multiple computers with ati, nvidia and intel. drivers activate.d netbook edition. :)
[21:05] <||arifaX> so on release day I do just have to make a dist-upgrade to get final?
[21:06] <plasmab> and sacrifice a chicken
[21:06] <yofel> ||arifaX: just install updates however you like, dist-upgrade is the most common option
[21:07] <||arifaX> yofel: thanks
[21:09] <uikxx> hi
[21:09] <ZykoticK9> ballongen, on my EEE 701 with UNE compiz is also greyed out :(
[21:09] <ibkanat> I need a way to control my mouse for finer movements... currently it is set on slowest possible but moves way too fast.... is there somewhere else to control the mouse.... xset m 1/5 doesnt work anymore
[21:10] <uikxx> any one now best way to video chat ubuntu ?
[21:10] <Ken8521> uikxx, w/ a camera?
[21:10] <uikxx> in skype i have mic problem ...
[21:10] <uikxx> bthe built-in
[21:10] <uikxx> the"
[21:11] <Ken8521> well, with built in devices, its going to largely depend on what your devices are, whether the software works or not
[21:11] <monkey_dust> hi, i have Ubuntu, Mint and Win7 on the same machine, this is what my grub.cfg looks like, but grub shows only ubuntu -- hints & tips anyone -- http://paste.ubuntu.com/422983/
[21:11] <plasmab> can you record/use the mic in other applications?
[21:11] <Niux> yes?
[21:12] <ssn_> im back :) the indicator-me applet is installed in lucid, but i did remove it from the panel. now i want it back, but it is not in the settings :(
[21:12] <Niux> ZykoticK9, ?
[21:12] <ZykoticK9> Niux, did you try installing the nvidia driver from the nvidia site or through "Hardware Drivers" - you should ONLY be using Hardware Drivers - and the Current Nvidia is 195.36.15
[21:12] <Niux> Well, both actually
[21:12] <trism> ssn_: it is called indicator applet session in the add to panel dialog
[21:13] <ZykoticK9> Niux, i'm affraid if you even tried the nvidia-site version that I personally can't help - but best of luck
[21:13] <Niux> Hardware Drivers said "install failed see /var/log/jockeylog".. Didn't get much from that though
[21:13] <ibkanat> does that driver support opencl? nvidia 195.36.15
[21:13] <bjsnider> ibkanat, affirmative
[21:13] <ibkanat> cool wanting to try out smallux render
[21:14] <Niux> ZykoticK9, it isn't that my card isn't supported (GTS 250)?
[21:14] <ibkanat> so no guru's on too fast of mouse a
[21:14] <NetSKaVeN> a lot of problems with nvidia this time
[21:14] <ballongen> ZykoticK9, ah i see. perhaps its turned off by dev for now
[21:14] <ZykoticK9> Niux, that's certainly a possiblity - bj might know for sure actually -- but the Nvidia driver from Site is another issue entirely (not Lucid friendly)
[21:15] <ZykoticK9> ballongen, sorry?
[21:15] <bjsnider> Niux, it says it failed but is it working? did you reboot successfully?
[21:16] <ssn_> trism: it is not there
[21:16] <ZykoticK9> NetSKaVeN, actually - so long as you use Hardware Drivers (or Nouveau) Nvidia has been working very well even at the Lucid Alpha stage
[21:16] <ssn_> i looked over and over again (not in german, nor english)
[21:16] <ssn_> but it is installed
[21:17] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, there were some problems w/ some of them not enabling in the beta
[21:17] <Niux> bjsnider, didn't reboot - it failed asmost right away.. will try to reboot
[21:17] <Niux> brb
[21:17] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, that's actually one problem, i had.. it would enable, tell you to restart, then restart it would say the driver failed
[21:17] <trism> ssn_: did you previously uninstall the indicator-applet-session package and then install it again? if so may need to log out/back in to see it in the dialog
[21:18] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, I'm certainly not claiming that's it's perfect ;)  Sorry to hear about your issues.
[21:18] <Ken8521> eh, i got it resolved.. :)
[21:18] <Ken8521> just installed the packags manually
[21:19] <underdev> oh, it's 4 o clock, time to reboot due to memory leak :)
[21:19] <ssn_> trism: i did not uninstall it, i logged out and in again, still not there
[21:19] <NetSKaVeN> ZykoticK9: nouveau is a great project, but a lot of ppl need 3D accel today to use the modern desktop stuff
[21:20] <ZykoticK9> NetSKaVeN, i'm certainly using nvidia's proprietary version here.
[21:20] <Damascene> any rtl user here that can help testing audacity?
[21:20] <trism> ssn_: does /usr/lib/bonobo/servers/GNOME_FastUserSwitchApplet.server exist?
[21:21] <Damascene> seems like there is a bug with rtl interface
[21:22] <ssn_> trism:  it exists
[21:25] <ssn_> please can someone tell me how to add the indicator applet
[21:30] <niux> bjsnider, (after reboot) Hardware drivers still shows "a different version of this driver is in use" other than the Nvidia driver
[21:31] <niux> bjsnider, can enable desktop effects now though
[21:31] <trism> ssn_: makes no sense to me, it should be there, right-click/Add to Panel/Indicator Applet Session, right under Indicator Applet and above inhibit applet (in english anyway)
[21:31] <ZykoticK9> niux, bet that's just an issue with jockey -- if you use "lspci -vnvn" and find the VGA section - I bet it will show "Kernel driver in use: nvidia"
[21:32] <ZykoticK9> niux, or just open nvidia-settings to have a look
[21:32] <niux> ZykoticK9, sure does :)
[21:36] <bjsnider> niux, if you used the nvidia-installer and still got this far you beat the odds
[21:36] <bjsnider> just don't do it again or you'll tempt fate
[21:37] <niux> bjsnider, he, how so? Zyko said the nvidia-installer wasn't Lucid freindly but..
[21:38] <bjsnider> niux, that's putting it mildly. normally if you used it you'd have to wipe & reload
[21:38] <niux> I wont - so when 10.4 is out and I reinstall, I just use the Hardware Drivers and hope the same magic happens?
[21:38] <niux> damn - they could put up a sign or someting
[21:38] <pitwalker> How can I restore network connection indicator? finally the eth3 is configured as DHCP in /etc/network/interfaces (network manager is funny: when I switch computers -eth0>eth1>eth2 and the last name eth3 the name is the only one NIC-  I should REadd "wired connection 1")
[21:39] <bjsnider> i guess you missed the stick post on nvidia's website that says use the distro packages
[21:39] <pitwalker> not shown in LXDE, XFCE and GNOME
[21:39] <niux> guess i did.. doh
[21:40] <hector1> hi everyone
[21:43] <ZykoticK9> hector1> anyone have trouble with 10.04 RC using ALC1200 for sound?
[21:46] <skiwithpete> whatup
[21:47] <skiwithpete> anyone wanna help me diagnose a mic problem
[21:47] <hector1> hi Zykotick9
[21:48] <ZykoticK9> hello hector1 - i'm affraid i'm now help with your sound issue - hope you find a solution!
[21:48] <ZykoticK9> s/now/no
[21:49] <hector1> lol me too :)
[21:50] <mewshi_> Can someone help me get compositing working on my desktop?  I tried installing the ATI driver, but it's not "taking"
[21:51] <VoJe> Hello. Does anyone know if it's possible to get anymore docklets to tocky? I would like a workspace-changer, networkapplet etc..
[21:52] <pitwalker> mewshi: what is your ATI card? what is your driver? (an old legacy?)
[21:52] <mewshi_> Radeon HD2600
[21:53] <mewshi_> or 2600HD or whatever the model number is :P
[21:53] <ZykoticK9> VoJe, oh ya - I hadn't even noticed there wasn't a workspace-changer in Docky like in gnome-do with docky theme - guess I didn't miss it much.  Hope you find a solution.
[21:54] <mewshi_> And I installed the newest driver from ATI's website
[21:54] <mozir> When will the memory leak be fixed, and can it cause lags in the windows management (maximize from taskbar) and general slowiness too?
[21:54] <VoJe> Maybe i can do without the workspace-changer, but a network-applet would be nice..
[21:57] <crdlb> VoJe: I don't think docky is intended to be used without gnome-panel
[21:58] <mewshi_> So, how do I enable compositing?
[21:59] <crdlb> mewshi_: well, I think the open source radeon driver can do it with your gpu
[22:00] <skiwithpete> I see someone else was having sound issuew
[22:00] <skiwithpete> s
[22:00] <crdlb> mewshi_: if you want to use it with fglrx, you'll first need to make sure fglrx is actually working
[22:00] <hector1> yesh
[22:00] <skiwithpete> hector1, what's your deal?
[22:00] <mewshi_> if I want to use the open source driver, I can just install xserver-xorg-video-radeonhd?
[22:00] <VoJe> crdlb, høh.. Is gnome do better then?
[22:00] <VoJe> or any other dock
[22:01] <hector1> skiwithpete, everything seems to be working fine, i just get no sound out to my speakers
[22:01] <skiwithpete> VoJe, Gnome-do is my fav
[22:01] <skiwithpete> hector1, I can't get my internal mic to work
[22:01] <mewshi_> crdlb, install the radeonhd driver?
[22:02] <crdlb> VoJe: isn't docky part of gnome-do?
[22:02] <crdlb> mewshi_: no, the radeon driver is the default driver
[22:02] <ZykoticK9> crdlb, they've been separate into 2 projects
[22:02] <mewshi_> So, how do I get the fglrx module working?
[22:04] <crdlb> mewshi_: pastebin your /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[22:04] <mewshi_> wait... so... do I install the radeonhd driver or not? >.<
[22:04] <soreau> mewshi_: not
[22:04] <crdlb> I never said anything about a radeonhd driver
[22:05] <mewshi_> well, then, please, tell me what to do to get fglrx working
[22:05] <mewshi_> oh, wait
[22:05] <mewshi_> missed that line
[22:05] <mewshi_> hang on
[22:05] <pitwalker> mewshi_: XOrg 6.8, 6.9, 7.0, 7.1, 7.2, 7.3 or 7.4 not 7.5
[22:05] <pitwalker> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/catalyst_102_linux.pdf
[22:06] <pitwalker> https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-10-3-x86.x86_64.run
[22:06] <pitwalker> still not support lucid
[22:06] <mewshi_> I already have installed the driver, it just doesn't *work*
[22:07] <Dink> Hello are there known issues with the 32-21 kernel not booting older dell desktops? It gets to the Starting.... screen then just sits there. 31-19 works fine.
[22:07] <alex_mayorga> off-topic: what's your favorite offline rss reader?
[22:07] <yofel> pitwalker: we do have an ati driver in the repository, and a few people have reported that that one works
[22:08] <mewshi_> yofel, how do I install this driver/get it running?
[22:09] <yofel> mewshi_: jockey usually
[22:09] <zylogz80> I'm running 10.04 on a laptop with an Intel video card. Everything works great except I don't get plymouth on boot. Do I do have to do something to enable it?
[22:09] <crdlb> mewshi_: you should uninstall the ati.com driver first though
[22:09] <mewshi_> what's jockey?
[22:09] <yofel> plymouth vanished for me too today, no idea why
[22:09] <yofel> mewshi_: the 'hardware drivers' app
[22:10] <mewshi_> how do I uninstall the ati.com driver?
[22:11] <uffo> hello how i can read udf cd, i inserted udf dvd in drive and it shows that dvd is blank, 10,04 rc
[22:12] <TommyThaGun> are there any announcements for the direction for the next 10.10?
[22:12] <pitwalker> mewshi_: if you created a deb from fglrx driver uninstall is easy like: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver
[22:12] <mewshi_> I did not.
[22:12] <pitwalker> good night
[22:12] <crdlb> mewshi_: try: sudo /usr/share/fglrx/ati-uninstall.sh
[22:13] <mewshi_> no such directory
[22:14] <charlie-tca> TommyThaGun, http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336
[22:15] <crdlb> mewshi_: maybe /usr/share/ati/fglrx-uninstall.sh
[22:15] <TommyThaGun> thanks charlie-tca
[22:15] <charlie-tca> no problem
[22:15] <yofel> here's a brainstorm page for kubuntu 10.10, nothing concrete yet though https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Brainstorm
[22:18] <zylogz80> should plymouth work on an Intel video card with 64bit 10.04 by default? Or do I need to configure something?
[22:18] <yofel> it should work, stopped working here today though
[22:18] <yofel> more like boot is so fast that it doesn't have time to load I guess
[22:19] <zylogz80> yofel, I get text on boot :(
[22:19] <uffo> how to read udf dvd, it shows blank but i have files on udf dvd
[22:19] <zylogz80> yofel, it boots fine, just not very pretty
[22:19] <yofel> zylogz80: you have splash in the kernel line? -logo is installed?
[22:20] <BUGabundo> evening
[22:20] <TommyThaGun> are there plans for gnome-shell to be used in 10.10? or has that been decided?
[22:21] <zylogz80> yofel, I am used to RHEL based distros. Where's the equivalent of grub.conf in 10.04?
[22:21] <arand> TommyThaGun: Since it's far from done I would assume not, but I guess decisions will be made at UDS
[22:21] <TommyThaGun> I think the gnome team's expected release date is a month prior to meerkat
[22:21] <yofel> TommyThaGun: most of that stuff will be decided on uds-m, nothing precise is known untill then
[22:21] <TommyThaGun> got ya
[22:22] <TommyThaGun> I'm actually using it right now, and you can tell it's lacking some things, but overall it's pretty stinkin cool
[22:22] <arand> TommyThaGun: That's an initial release though, I guess one should be wary not to make a "kde4.0" again...
[22:22] <zylogz80> yofel, found it. ro quiet splash.
[22:23] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[22:23] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I been using lucid since alpha1, but it wasn't really ready for the general public
[22:23] <maxb> Sometimes I feel Ubuntu breaks more once you get to late beta than it ever does early in the cycle :-(
[22:24] <arand> What I feel is sorely missing from shell is a way to view and switch running applications without having to use the corner, which I know kind of defeats the porpose of the Shell...
[22:25] <zylogz80> yofel, and plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo is installed. I remember in Fedora 10 & 11 I used to have to add a param to grub.conf because it had trouble determining the proper video mode. I wonder If I have to do something like that
[22:25] <TommyThaGun> like a dock
[22:25] <TommyThaGun> if it had a dock it would be OSX
[22:25] <arand> If there only was a nice addable applet for the now unused top panel...
[22:25] <yofel> zylogz80: not if your graphics driver has KMS, and intel has
[22:26] <arand> TommyThaGun: At least something similar, in my opinion, it needs it some way or another..
[22:26] <TommyThaGun> It seems like their thinking is for people to use alt+tab to switch between windows
[22:27] <zylogz80> yofel, yes I definitely have an Intel GPU, compositing and everything works great. I will search for bugs
[22:27] <uffo> how i can read udf cd, i inserted udf dvd in drive and it shows that dvd is blank, 10,04 rc
[22:30] <yofel> uffo: maybe try to mount the dvd from a terminal with -t udf ? all my iso/udf cds work fine here in Kubuntu (no idea if that has anything to do with it)
[22:31] <uffo> yofel: what i paste in terminal exactly
[22:33] <yofel> uffo: 'sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/cdrom/ -t udf' I think (replace sr0 with the name of your dvd device)
[22:40] <bp0> the head shaking in the lock screen when you enter a wrong password is too fast now
[22:40] <DASPRiD> better then head desking or head aching :)
[22:41] <bp0> also it seems to get behind
[22:41] <bp0> if you enter a few wrong password
[22:41] <bp0> there will be a delay between the message and the shaking
[22:41] <bp0> its definitely messed up
[22:43] <uffo> yofel: i cannot find drive name
[22:44] <synaptic> hello
[22:44] <synaptic> can any one help me?
[22:44] <yofel> !anyone
[22:44] <synaptic> I installed dhcp3-server
[22:45] <synaptic> followed the steps in the manual to configure mmy eth0 to broad cast IP to devices connected to it, and I get my Internet fromm wla0
[22:45] <synaptic> but its not working
[22:45] <yofel> uffo: hm, maybe run 'dmesg | grep -i cd-rom' ?
[22:46] <synaptic> what does that do?
[22:46] <cheche> synaptic: that anwser was for uffo
[22:47] <synaptic> ok my device gets an IP
[22:47] <cheche> synaptic: did you restart the process frrom the command line?
[22:48] <synaptic> but when I ping that IP it does not work
[22:48] <cheche> is ifconfig eth0 gettin an ip?
[22:48] <cheche> is "ifconfig eth0 "gettin an ip?
[22:48] <synaptic> /etc/init.d/dhcp3-server restart
[22:48] <synaptic>  * Stopping DHCP server dhcpd3                                           [fail]
[22:48] <synaptic>  * Starting DHCP server dhcpd3                                                   * check syslog for diagnostics.
[22:48] <synaptic>                                                                          [fail]
[22:48] <yofel> uffo: it should show something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/423025/
[22:49] <uffo> yofel: mount point /media/cdrom/ does not exist - cd was sr0
[22:49] <synaptic> by the way I dont have a CD-ROM drive
[22:49] <yofel> ah, cdrom is a symlink to cdrom1 here
[22:50] <yofel> synaptic: I'm not talking to you but uffo
[22:50] <cheche> synaptic: tail /var/log/syslog
[22:50] <synaptic> lol
[22:50] <yofel> uffo: well, try /mnt or another empty folder
[22:52] <synaptic> where would dhcp.conf be located?
[22:52] <uffo> yofel: you mean: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /media/mnt/ -t udf
[22:53] <cheche> try /etc/dhcp3/dhcpd.conf
[22:53] <yofel> uffo: sudo mount /dev/sr0 /mnt -t udf
[22:53] <cheche> synaptic: tell the error
[22:54] <uffo> yofel: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sr0,
[22:54] <uffo>        missing codepage or helper program, or other error
[22:54] <uffo>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[22:54] <uffo>        dmesg | tail  or so
[22:55] <yofel> uffo: ok, then try -t auto, and run 'mount' to see as what it was mounted
[22:56] <uffo> yofel: mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[22:56] <yofel> hm...
[22:56] <uffo> yofel_ how windows can read
[22:58] <uffo> yofel: does 10.04 supports udf out of box
[22:58] <yofel> it sure does, I can mount a udf disk fine here
[22:59] <yofel> and it works with -t udf and -t auto
[22:59] <yofel> are you sure the disk isn't empty?
[23:00] <uffo> yofel:  windows reads fine too, i even tried to install libudf0 and udftools but nothing
[23:01] <yofel> does dmesg have any error after you try to mount it?
[23:03] <z3r0-c001> #iphone
[23:04] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed, gn8 folks
[23:04] <c0vert> goodnight.
[23:05] <uffo> yofel: i let windows to read and move files here, bye
[23:05] <nmobix> heya all
[23:05] <c0vert> uffo, did you  read what he said? is there anything in dmesg?
[23:06] <red> how do I explicitly set a "screen name" in telepathy for MSN?
[23:06] <red> I think it's using my email address as the user name at the moment (the visible name to others)
[23:06] <uffo> c0vert: nothing appeared i watched log
[23:06] <nmobix> guys anyone here knowledged in KMS  and suspend/resume inter-relations?
[23:07] <synaptic> is there any GUI for DHCP3-SERVER?
[23:07] <uffo> covert: so i assume even udftools is not needed for 10.04 that udf reading should be out of box already
[23:08] <patrickd> Has anyone managed to get an LG kp500 phone working with lucid?
[23:18] <nmobix> anyone with an HP dv5000 able to fix resume after suspend??
[23:18] <chorse> nmobix: i am with a dv6000
[23:19] <nmobix> any luck with resume after suspend?
[23:19] <nmobix> what GPU do u have?
[23:21] <johnjohn101> should I wait a few weeks before upgrading to 10.04 due to the memory leak?
[23:28] <likemindead> Simple inquery: mouse themes won't take. Any ideas on how to remedy this? I do love comixcursors so very much. ;-)
[23:33] <ZykoticK9> likemindead, does disabling compiz bring your mouse themes back?  Just something to try, not a solution I understand.
[23:33] <likemindead> I'll give it a shot.
[23:34] <crdlb> yeah, compiz doesn't support cursor themes last I checked
[23:35] <likemindead> Ah. There you have it. :-\
[23:36] <likemindead> I've been using Xubuntu and no Compiz 'til now (10.04).
[23:36] <soreau> ubuntu patched ccsm at one point to have an option for cursor IIRC
[23:36] <crdlb> technically, that was a patch to compiz itself
[23:37] <soreau> crdlb: right, the option just appeared in ccsm
[23:37] <coz_> there is on lucid ...at least this clean install...the cursor themes are not being respected so far
[23:38] <likemindead> Oh well. No big deal. First problem I've encountered and I've been using 10.04 since Beta 1. :D
[23:39] <atrus> likemindead: log out and log in?
[23:39] <atrus> likemindead: also, does it not take everywhere? does your selected cursor show up sometimes, depending on where you put your pointer?
[23:39] <likemindead> No, atrus. I've been messing with it for a couple of days. Restarting doesn't do it.
[23:39] <likemindead> Actually, a random cursor does show up when on the panel(s).
[23:40] <atrus> hrm. i have mouse cursor problems w/o compiz.
[23:40] <coz_> likemindead,  you could try   sudo update-alternatives --config x-cursor-theme   but that didnt work here
[23:40] <atrus> likemindead: ah, that sounds right.
[23:40] <likemindead> Weird, eh?
[23:40] <atrus> i'm stuck *on* chameleon cursor now.... hrm.
[23:40] <atrus> i don't care for it :)
[23:41] <BUGabundo> shipit "Current Request Details 100 Ubuntu CDs for PC"
[23:41] <BUGabundo> :)
[23:41] <likemindead> Jeez... #ubuntu is a chaotic mess... :-\
[23:42] <coz_> likemindead,  did that command work there?
[23:42] <likemindead> It did not, coz_ .
[23:42] <BUGabundo> likemindead: LOL
[23:42] <BUGabundo> I haven't been in there for years
[23:42] <coz_> likemindead,  I guessed as much
[23:43] <BUGabundo> closest thing: #ubuntu-release-party
[23:43] <BUGabundo> and let me tell you,if haven't ever been in there: take a pill
[23:43] <BUGabundo> take two
[23:43] <BUGabundo> you need it
[23:43] <ZykoticK9> BUGabundo, that just redirects to offtopic doesn't it?
[23:43] <BUGabundo> right now, maybe
[23:43] <BUGabundo> only works on release days
[23:43] <BUGabundo> also this very own channel will be closed in a few days :(
[23:43] <BUGabundo> shrug
[23:44] <BUGabundo> will miss you all for a few days
[23:44] <BUGabundo> until toolchain is done
[23:44] <likemindead> :::sad:::
[23:44]  * ZykoticK9 is going to miss this channel
[23:44] <BUGabundo> the 6th
[23:44] <likemindead> It's generally a lot calmer in #xubuntu too.
[23:44] <crdlb> I've never understood why they insist on closing it
[23:45] <coz_> beer time maybe  ?
[23:46] <charlie-tca> Time to steer everybody to the right channel for support after the release
[23:47] <BUGabundo> unless you never go out
[23:47] <Sickki> Hello, after updating from karmic to Lucid i got "General error mounting filesystems" well i got it fixed by commenting everything on my fstab, but before upgrade my fstab was fine and it did work. Here is my fstab: http://pastebin.com/v9m6KPEx , any ideas?
[23:47] <BUGabundo> but I reboot, so I always loose the # :(
[23:48] <charlie-tca> Well. you know, we will come back to about 1/4 the people we have now
[23:48] <mininessie> whats going on i'm confused
[23:49] <crdlb> BUGabundo: it's eventually cleared even if you don't leave
[23:49] <BUGabundo> is it ?
[23:49] <BUGabundo> I never hang long enouth to know
[23:49] <BUGabundo> charlie-tca: its like 10 active users afterwards
[23:49] <BUGabundo> and by A1 about 20
[23:49] <charlie-tca> yeah, I know
[23:49] <BUGabundo> with 100 hanged nicks :|
[23:50] <charlie-tca> I suppose I will stick my head in again
[23:50] <BUGabundo> "Request accepted. Please note that special requests can take up to sixteen weeks to deliver. For quicker processing, choose a standard option instead."
[23:50] <BUGabundo> that was fast
[23:50] <charlie-tca> It's on auto-login. It switches to #ubuntu for a few days, then comes back to #ubuntu+1
[23:50] <BUGabundo> I wonder how long until the deny it :(
[23:51] <BUGabundo> on the 5th, or 6th we should be back
[23:51] <coz_> charlie-tca,  I thought it was like 5 days or so
[23:51] <charlie-tca> it is
[23:51] <coz_> oh ok :)
[23:52] <andiolsi> hi, does anyone of you use mplayer with xvmc on an ati card?
[23:53] <coz_> andersk,  I do not... I use gmplayer with nvidia
[23:54] <coz_> andersk,  sorry
[23:54] <coz_> andiolsi,  that was for you ^^
[23:56] <andiolsi> its a real shame i switched to a 5870 from a gtx280 mainly for display port dx11 and now i cant use the display port, rarely play anymore and cant use acceleration. and i cant add the 280 to my 2nd pcie 16x slot because thats where my raid controller is.  poor me :(
[23:56] <ZykoticK9> andiolsi, according to http://wiki.xbmc.org/?title=Hardware_Accelerated_Video_Decoding_Developement#ATI.2FAMD it's not supported on current drivers (not sure how current the site is though), good luck
[23:56] <andiolsi> plus the fan of the 5870 wont shut down, its at 50+% and extremely loud
[23:57] <andiolsi> ZykoticK9: :(
[23:57] <andiolsi> coz_: i realized that, was busy biting myself for wasting money ;)
[23:57] <coz_> andiolsi,  ok cool :)
[23:58] <bp0> youtube controls are not working in amd64
[23:58] <andiolsi> i cant even use vaapi because that doesnt work on 5xxx cards either
[23:58] <bp0> with flash-nonfree
[23:59] <ZykoticK9> bp0, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working
[23:59] <andiolsi> bp0: in opera mine dont either, in firefox they do