| jkridner | apparently a 2GB USB stick isn't big enough. :( | 01:20 |
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| jkridner | irony: it ran out of disk space copying imx51 files. | 01:20 |
| jkridner | well, of poetic interest anyway, if not irony. | 01:21 |
| persia | We usually recommend a minimum of 4G, but I've heard of 2G installs working before. That's a bit of an unexpected result. | 01:24 |
| Martyn | You really do need 4G | 02:27 |
| Martyn | unless you're just using base | 02:27 |
| persia | Didn't in 9.04, but that might have been a fluke, or a side effect of a less complete port. | 02:28 |
| persia | (lucid being the first time that all of main compiled) | 02:29 |
| Martyn | persia : You may be interested in this ... a new piece of hardware arrived yesterday at the office. I can't reveal the manufacturer, but the form factor will be familiar to you (clamshell PC) .. I was surprised to see what it had when I booted. 1330x768 screen, resistive touch, 128GB flash SSD and a quad core A9 operating at 800Mhz. | 02:29 |
| Martyn | In any case, it's got lucid loaded on it from the factory .. but something that most certainly is _not_ netbook remix as a front end. | 02:30 |
| persia | Can you share the screen dimensions, or the DPI? | 02:30 |
| persia | heh. OK. Maybe you can bring it to UDS, if you're lucky. | 02:32 |
| persia | If it's small enough, I want :) | 02:32 |
| persia | If it's large, just not enough pixels for me. | 02:32 |
| Martyn | It's about 12cm in diagonal, widescreen | 02:33 |
| persia | Indeed, I'm *very* interested. | 02:33 |
| Martyn | Stacking the SL-3200 on top of it, it's a bit larger, but only by about enough to make the keyboard more comfortable to use | 02:33 |
| Martyn | I'll ask the boss if it's okay for me to bring the thing to UDS | 02:33 |
| Martyn | if I remove all the stickers and external identification, I think it might be | 02:34 |
| persia | Does it have the wonderful keyspacing that the 3200 used, or does it have the annoying "large" keys of e.g. the Netwalker? | 02:34 |
| Martyn | neither... hard to describe the keyboard | 02:34 |
| persia | Please do ask if you can bring it. That sounds nearly ideal for me, assuming other bits are in place. | 02:35 |
| persia | The Netwalker is lovely, but a bit larger than I like, and the keyboard is just plain annoying. | 02:35 |
| Martyn | the closest keyboard I can describe is the UMID | 02:36 |
| persia | (but I don't mind waiting ~6 months for retail, to make sure I have the spare funds) | 02:36 |
| Martyn | I know this thing must be floating around Akiahabra | 02:36 |
| persia | UMID is a little better than Netwalker, but still not enough space *between* the keys for my hands. | 02:36 |
| persia | Yeah, but you'd have to tell me what it was for me to find it there. I didn't see them on Saturday whilst wondering about. | 02:37 |
| Martyn | This isn't the device -- but it's DAMNED close in form factor : http://www.dynamism.com/notebooks/umid-mbook-m1.shtml | 02:37 |
| persia | Right. That's the same base as the Onkyo I've been resisting buying. | 02:38 |
| persia | Onkyo jammed in more flash (64) and an improved audio handler, and went for the faster chip. | 02:38 |
| Martyn | http://www.slashgear.com/globalfoundries-28nm-arm-cortex-a9-promises-speed-frugality-boost-1581731/ (first wafer of a test chip .. there were two and the first wafer failed (thus the business card on top) ) | 02:39 |
| persia | But 1366x768 lets me run 2 terminals and an IRC client, which makes me actually productive, whereas 1024x600 is just a bit too small (or too blocky) | 02:39 |
| persia | Yeah, I'm intrigued. I'll bug you about it in a couple weeks. | 02:41 |
| persia | (but have to rush off for a bit now) | 02:41 |
| Martyn | See you later Emmett :) | 02:42 |
| ericm_ | ikepanhc, 你们太淡定了 | 04:04 |
| === Guest91645 is now known as NCommander | ||
| * NCommander waves | 07:18 | |
| NCommander | saeed: you aorund? | 07:42 |
| NCommander | *around | 07:42 |
| saeed | NCommander: hey there | 07:45 |
| siji | GoodMorning All | 07:46 |
| eggonlea | ericm: ping | 07:47 |
| ericm | eggonlea, pong | 07:47 |
| ericm | eggonlea, NCommander mentioned that LCD support on AV-D1 is not stable ? | 07:48 |
| eggonlea | Have to use webchat because the previous proxy is broken. :( | 07:48 |
| ericm | eggonlea, no problem | 07:48 |
| eggonlea | what do you mean by "not stable"? | 07:48 |
| ericm | NCommander, your turn | 07:48 |
| eggonlea | NCommander, are you around? | 07:48 |
| NCommander | eggonlea: yup | 07:55 |
| * NCommander coughs | 07:55 | |
| === hrw|gone is now known as hrw | ||
| hrw | morning | 08:05 |
| lool | hrw: heya | 08:05 |
| hrw | first day at new work ;D | 08:06 |
| Stskeeps | working from home i guess? | 08:07 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: sure | 08:14 |
| hrw | Stskeeps: I work from home for over 3 years now | 08:14 |
| * Stskeeps is only up at about 5 months so far | 08:14 | |
| Stskeeps | am happy i have to travel once in a while to work with real people though | 08:14 |
| siji | Luck People :( | 08:16 |
| siji | *Lucky | 08:17 |
| hrw | and yesterday I changed one thing - now I have one machine with ubuntu @home | 08:18 |
| hrw | wife's laptop has kubuntu 10.04-rc | 08:18 |
| === XorA|gone is now known as XorA | ||
| ericm_ | saeed, btw - I've fixed the hibernation issue and updated the LP bug description, please help check | 09:53 |
| * ogra ponders to do a mass give-back for universe ftbfs to see if something more survives | 10:59 | |
| ogra | NCommander, what did you want to know about touchscreens ? | 10:59 |
| hrw | and what kind of touchscreens... usb ones or i2c/spi or uart connected ones | 11:01 |
| ogra | no idea, he pinged me in another channel asking to pick my brain about them | 11:01 |
| === ericm_ is now known as ericm|ubuntu | ||
| saeed | ericm: good job | 11:51 |
| saeed | ericm|ubuntu: can you please send me the fixed kernel deb? | 11:51 |
| saeed | guys: I'm running totem with mp4 movie, the pulse audio consumes ~60% of the cpu time!!! | 11:52 |
| ericm|ubuntu | saeed, the link is on the LP bug description | 12:19 |
| ericm|ubuntu | saeed, that's possibly pulseaudio issue | 12:19 |
| ndec | ogra: hi. i'd like to mount a ubuntu minimal FS on qemu using NFS mount. have you already tried that with the kernel you provide here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch | 12:20 |
| ogra | ndec, no, NFS might be modular in that kernel, not sure ... might be that lool tried it before though | 12:20 |
| ndec | ogra: how did you build the kernel? which config? i can add nfs, if I know which source and which config was used | 12:21 |
| ogra | its the linux package source | 12:22 |
| ndec | ogra: i am planning to use qemu to build arm packages | 12:22 |
| ogra | std ubuntu 2.6.32 release kernel | 12:22 |
| ndec | ogra: with the versatile_defconfig? | 12:23 |
| ogra | right | 12:23 |
| ogra | well, merged with the distro config, amitk should be able to tell you what to run to merge the configs | 12:24 |
| ogra | there is some script iirc | 12:24 |
| saeed | ericm|ubuntu: the had this issue in the past with speex, and it supposed to be fixed afair | 12:24 |
| ericm|ubuntu | saeed, I guess that's because pulseaudio is now realtime priority (for less latency) in lucid, and could possibly eat up more CPU and become unresponsive | 12:26 |
| * ericm|ubuntu 's rhythmbox crashed | 12:27 | |
| asac | ndec: are you experimenting or need something that is more or less 100% reliable? you could also try to use a qemu-arm-static chroot to build packages. | 12:28 |
| asac | ndec: with that you can then later with some tweaking use a fast cross compiler/bash from host etc. | 12:29 |
| ndec | asac: i don't have too much to build for now, so fast is not the biggest requirement. i just need something that works ;-) I am on travel away from my board and I want to build ARM packages | 12:30 |
| saeed | ericm|ubuntu: hibernate works for me, without adding the resume= ofcourse | 12:31 |
| asac | ndec: yeah. the chroot is really simple though ... just install qemu-kvm-extras-static annd then run build-arm-chroot /path/to/chroot ... then you can just chroot /path/to/chroot and are in a arm chroot | 12:32 |
| asac | but testing our full qemu is also good ;) | 12:32 |
| ogra | i think persia included qemu-arm-static support in sbuild and pbuilder | 12:32 |
| ogra | that should be the easiest to cross build packages | 12:33 |
| * ogra doesnt know the magic runes for that though ... i think its just sbuild --arch=armel though | 12:33 | |
| ndec | asac: qemu-arm-static is using syscall emulation, right? | 12:34 |
| ogra | right | 12:34 |
| ogra | as long as you dont plan to build anything mono related it should work fine for everything | 12:35 |
| ndec | ogra: i don't know about sbuild --arch=armel | 12:35 |
| ndec | ogra: I just prepare all my source packages, and using sbuild --arch=armel? is that what you use? | 12:35 |
| ogra | no, i use native builds :) | 12:36 |
| ericm|ubuntu | saeed, do you know the current hibernation implementation on dove will work with HIGHMEM (which I doubt) | 12:36 |
| ogra | i rarely travel without HW in my bag ... ARM boards are so small :) | 12:36 |
| asac | haha | 12:37 |
| suihkulokki | random arm board and assorted wires in bag is something that should be a problem at airport security | 12:37 |
| suihkulokki | ...never been for me thou | 12:37 |
| ogra | neither for me | 12:37 |
| ogra | i always have enough ubuntu CDs with me to bribe the guys ;) | 12:37 |
| ogra | and stickers ... stickers work even better ;) | 12:38 |
| suihkulokki | maybe I look innocent enough to make the security people not care what the bag x-ray looks like | 12:38 |
| ndec | ogra: well right now I am away without my arm board ;-( | 12:38 |
| ogra | ndec, well, an armel chroot should get you going then | 12:38 |
| ogra | ndec, the reciepe asac gave you above should be fine ... "install qemu-kvm-extras-static annd then run build-arm-chroot /path/to/chroot ... then you can just chroot /path/to/chroot and are in a arm chroot" | 12:39 |
| ogra | thopugh i'd recommend approx or some other package proxy running locally .... | 12:40 |
| ogra | saves you bandwith if you can re-use the already downloaded packages | 12:40 |
| ndec | ok. i will try that. | 12:40 |
| ogra | hmm, i wonder how well ubuntuone works on my beagle | 12:43 |
| ogra | oh, it causes a firefox race | 12:44 |
| ogra | "firefox is already running, please close the running firefox process first" | 12:44 |
| ogra | blah | 12:44 |
| ogra | clikcing OK brings up firefox with my ubuntuone account :P | 12:45 |
| cwillu_at_work | ogra, so, you're aware of rootstock hangs? | 13:07 |
| cwillu_at_work | I seem to be getting segfaults instead of hangs now | 13:07 |
| ogra | yes, as i mentioned in bug 532733 | 13:08 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 532733 in qemu-kvm (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 2 other projects) "apt/dpkg in qemu-system-arm hangs if a big task is installed (affects: 4) (dups: 1) (heat: 36)" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532733 | 13:08 |
| ogra | has nothing to do with rootstock but with qemu | 13:08 |
| * XorA found with gcc 4.5 and glibc 2.10.1 there is at least one TLS bug with qemu that causes a hang | 13:09 | |
| XorA | I grabbed two patches to fix it from master git | 13:09 |
| ogra | its gcc 4.4 though | 13:09 |
| XorA | but I dont know if thats the same bug you guys are seeing or not | 13:10 |
| ogra | and we use eglibc | 13:10 |
| XorA | ogra: which means your probably using an equiv glibc then | 13:10 |
| XorA | eglibc basically being glibc-next | 13:10 |
| cwillu_at_work | oh, didn't see that | 13:10 |
| XorA | http://repo.or.cz/w/qemu.git?a=search&h=HEAD&st=commit&s=cp15 top two commits on that search | 13:11 |
| cwillu_at_work | ogra, sorry, hadn't checked my email yet doay | 13:12 |
| * cwillu_at_work reruns the test | 13:12 | |
| ogra | ha | 13:20 |
| ogra | finally | 13:20 |
| * ogra listens to his ubuntuone musicstore music on the beagle | 13:20 | |
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| === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti | ||
| NCommander | ogra: do we support using tslib out of the box and blacklisting evtouch, or is it only evtouch we support? | 15:47 |
| ogra_cmpc | evtouch doesnt need to be blacklisted | 15:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | its not installed unless you tell it to | 15:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | tslib might conflict with usbtouchscreen kernel side though | 15:58 |
| ogra_cmpc | since all touchscreen support is supposed to be handled by that now | 15:58 |
| hrw | oh.. I missed talks | 15:59 |
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| NCommander | ogra: it isn't, its being loaded automatically on a touchscreen device | 16:01 |
| ogra_cmpc | evtouch ? | 16:01 |
| NCommander | ogra: yeah, at least on ARM | 16:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | we neverf install it by default | 16:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | its not even in main to my knowledge | 16:02 |
| NCommander | ogra: odd. It is on a ubuntu-netbook image out of the box | 16:02 |
| ogra_cmpc | surely not | 16:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | apt-cache show xserver-xorg-input-evtouch|grep Filename | 16:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | Filename: pool/universe/x/xf86-input-evtouch/xserver-xorg-input-evtouch_0.8.8-3build1_i386.deb | 16:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | unless we build from universe which would very much surprise me | 16:03 |
| XorA | dpkg -l | grep touch | 16:03 |
| XorA | ii libts-0.0-0 1.0-7build1 touch screen library | 16:03 |
| XorA | ii tsconf 1.0-7build1 touch screen library common files | 16:03 |
| XorA | its not there | 16:03 |
| ogra_cmpc | XorA, yes, i know :) | 16:04 |
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| ogra_cmpc | but NCommander doesnt | 16:04 |
| NCommander | ogra: xserver-xorg-input-evdev 1:2.3.2-5ubuntu1 | 16:04 |
| NCommander | ogra: sorry, my brain went tothe wrong place | 16:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | evdev != evtouch | 16:04 |
| NCommander | ogra: I'm not caffinated yet; I just got up ;-) | 16:04 |
| ogra_cmpc | so evdev is loaded for your touchscreen ? | 16:05 |
| NCommander | ogra: the reason I ask is that the touchscreen on the avenger is causing evdev to segfault, but tslib. I was wondering if there was a way we could blacklist evdev until it can be fixed | 16:05 |
| NCommander | and when evdev segfaults, it takes the entire X stack with it | 16:05 |
| ogra_cmpc | well, i guess you have to do that on a kernel/udev level | 16:05 |
| zumbi | NCommander: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=578053 | 16:06 |
| ubot4 | Debian bug 578053 in xserver-xorg-input-tslib "xserver-xorg-input-tslib: consider xorg.conf.d instead of udev rule" [Serious,Fixed] | 16:06 |
| ogra_cmpc | and make sure that evdev either doesnt consider the device an input device or make sure the kernel exports the right stuff to make evdev actually recognize a touchscreen device | 16:06 |
| ogra_cmpc | zumbi, that wont prevent evdev | 16:07 |
| zumbi | ogra_cmpc: i dunno about ubuntu, but debian is moving xorg out of udev | 16:07 |
| ogra_cmpc | zumbi, i doubt that | 16:08 |
| zumbi | which seems that it causing the segfault | 16:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | upstream mives into udev | 16:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | *moves | 16:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | it only just started with the recent release | 16:08 |
| ogra_cmpc | everything should be handled by kernel or udev | 16:08 |
| zumbi | ogra_cmpc: true, sorry i was misleading | 16:09 |
| ogra_cmpc | with the option to use xorg.conf.d snippets for overriding buggy settings | 16:09 |
| ogra_cmpc | the question is if the snippet kicks in before evdev probes or not | 16:10 |
| zumbi | ogra_cmpc: read Julien Cristau on the bug report | 16:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | and the actual bug is that the kernel doesnt export the proper constraints for the device so evdev can handle it as touchscreen | 16:10 |
| ogra_cmpc | zumbi, yes, i see that, still its a kernel bug | 16:13 |
| ogra_cmpc | using udev rules or xorg.conf.d snippets are both workarounds | 16:13 |
| zumbi | ogra_cmpc: thanks, let me know if you make any progress (that needs to be incorporated to debian xf86-input-tslib package) | 16:18 |
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| lool | ndec: the config is in the source tree, the git tree, or more easily in the .deb; the /boot/config-foo file has the config | 19:02 |
| Martyn | ojn : You in? | 19:13 |
| Martyn | (and are you in Austin at the moment?) | 19:13 |
| ojn | Martyn: In CA until friday night | 19:29 |
| Martyn | thanks :) | 19:30 |
| samuel_Sayag | Hi, can I use bb files without haveing internet connection on my Beagleboard? | 19:36 |
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| persia | ogra_cmpc: mk-sbuild or pbuilder-dist take --arch : pbuilder and sbuild don't. | 19:42 |
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