[07:56] jjohansen, hello! may i get on your nerves for a short time? [07:57] crazybyte: sure [07:57] thanks :) [08:00] well, could you suggest where to try to submit bug report or send a mail got get some pointers on the bug i submitted. to be honest it starts to piss me off. If I use the karmic kernel is oopses even before resume if I use the lucid kernel it oopses only after resume but I can't be sure about that [08:02] if i try to compile a kernel or try another distro would possibly solve the issue? could this be due to some ubuntu patches or it's a general issue from what you know? [08:04] jjohansen, could it be that the APIC is reenabled on resume and causes the oopses (due to something) ? [08:04] crazybyte: it sounds like a general issue but trying another kernel might solve it [08:04] crazybyte: no, it is likely broken bios not setting something correctly [08:05] crazybyte: from a terminal type ubuntu-bug linux [08:05] that will run through the apport hooks to open a kernel bug, file it against lucid [08:05] jjohansen, yeah. like i said some time ago. i had issues with the bios but they were solved from what i see in the newest kernels but instead of that issue now i have this which is most disturbing [08:06] jjohansen, in most cases the only thing i can do is to force reboot using magic key [08:06] hrmm, wait, don't open a new bug :) [08:06] because after that oops a chain of oopses follow [08:06] right [08:06] i have the bug already in launchpad [08:07] yeah, sorry I was thinking about something else [08:07] no problem. i also tried disabling the smp thinking that the bug is related to what i had in hardy, but without any luck it died after a few resumes [08:09] crazybyte: you have the lp bug # handy [08:09] one sec [08:09] jjohansen, 565172 [08:13] jjohansen, i will try a vanilla kernel tonight and see what happens. the kernels from kernel.ubuntu.com are vanilla or they have already the ubuntu patches applied? [08:14] crazybyte: ubuntu patches, but we have a mainline build ppa [08:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds [08:14] http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [08:15] i see [08:15] ok [08:15] thank you! [08:15] np [08:15] i will try and come back later [08:15] okay [08:16] jjohansen, btw the addresses i mentioned where the kernel paging fails are the used by user applications. [08:16] they are not used by the kernel or some modules (you remember i asked how to find out what is using those addresses) [08:16] ok [08:17] see you later (or annoy you later if i may joke about it) [08:17] thanks again [08:17] crazybyte: right, that is interesting I'll look through the bug again and refresh my memory [08:17] ok [08:17] thanks [10:13] hi apw , could you commit this [10:13] http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=d1501ea844eefdf925f6b711875b4b2b928fddf8 [10:13] will be in 2.6.32.12 anyway [10:17] Kano, we'll be pulling in the stable update shortly after release i would think [10:18] well .12 is not out ,but that little commit will not hurt, it just fixes one laptop [10:19] tested from .32 to .34 [10:19] maybe even older kernels possible, just not tested [10:22] welll the kernel won't change before then anyhow [10:22] does not matter, i use git [10:22] i patch it currently on my own [10:24] i still dont get why you never commited http://kanotix.com/files/kernel/unused-patches/2.6.30-ubuntu-copy-ieee1394-header-for-dvb.patch [10:25] because without those headers you never can compilie full dvb drivers from external sources, you have to disable firewire drivers all the time [10:28] Kano: I'm just curious: DO you have already sent that patch upstream? [10:30] abogani: i mentioned it definitely here when i began to compile my own kernels with it. i just hate to repeat myself all the time. [10:31] Kano: Ok, sorry. [14:08] who can i talk to about apparmor here? (trying to merge in apparmor into the mainline kernel) === ericm|ubuntu is now known as ericm-afk [14:21] hyperair, jjohansen but I am not sure he is awake right now [14:21] smb: thanks. i think i had the wrong branch in any case =p [14:21] * hyperair tries a different branch [14:22] it builds!! [14:22] =D [14:35] akgraner, if you see Rikki online, will you tell her to sync up in here with me if she has questions on bug 567016 [14:35] Malone bug 567016 in linux "Wireless won't work on Lenovo Thinkpad T510" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567016 [14:35] please and thank you [14:36] JFo, will do - she is rarely on IRC - are you on FB or gtalk at all? [14:36] not to where I would work with someone on a bug :) [14:36] I gave her a pile of instruction [14:37] but I wanted to be sure she could ping me with any issues [14:37] JFo, gotcha' let me tell her - Thanks [14:37] k, thank you === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti [15:00] JFo, she is looking at it now and is going to try your instructions [15:00] ok cool [15:00] I'm here if she needs me [15:46] JFo, ping [15:47] akgraner, pong [15:47] JFo, rikkikite 's here and she has questions [15:48] oh hey rikkikite :) [15:48] thanks akgraner [15:49] JFo, one sec she doesn't have voice - we are registering her nick now [15:50] ah, ok [15:58] yeah if you don't use a reg nick you can't talk in here [15:58] akgraner, we're working on sorting that out [15:58] i forgot about that [15:58] JFo, so did I [15:59] :-) [15:59] and I got ban from here one day and accused pgraner of all sorts of not so nice things [16:00] heh [16:01] akgraner, look forward to seeing you at uds-m :-) [16:01] bjf, likewise [16:01] and I have questions for you [16:01] putting together interview list now [16:01] :-) [16:02] akgraner, being a kernel guy my answers are all "no" and "that's a userspace issue" [16:02] haha [16:02] lol [16:02] *sigh* I seem to have heard that one before [16:03] you should hear what he says to me when i tell him about arsenal script breakages [16:03] :-P [16:03] JFo, have you ever heard me answer differently? [16:03] heh, nope === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] [16:07] I just say - uh wrong graner and send them to the other one - just to see if pete's vocabulary has improved :-D It hasn't [16:10] akgraner: go away your distracting hard working folk [16:10] * akgraner sighs seeeeeee Have a great day y'all! [16:11] * akgraner waves bye [16:23] so stupid question: [16:23] ok looks good [16:23] hmmm [16:23] one sec [16:23] * JFo goes to look at something [16:23] ok, looks like you will need another package [16:23] linux-image-2.6.32-22-386_2.6.32-22.33~lp567016 [16:23] for 386 or amd 64, whichever you are using [16:23] ok, not seeing the amd64 [16:23] are you using an i386 machine? [16:23] if so, you won't need the amd64 ones [16:23] when I tried to run the i386 earlier, it told me I'm on an amd64 [16:23] :-) [16:23] run uname -a and paste here [16:23] grrrrrr [16:23] I hate this irc client [16:23] wrong grab [16:23] (Reading database ... 156192 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic 2.6.32-22.33~lp567016 (using linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic_2.6.32-22.33~lp567016_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic: linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic depends on linux-headers-2.6.32-22; [16:24] there isn't another headers package that I see under amd64 [16:24] <-missing something obvious [16:25] and what is kernel-image-2.6.32-22-generic-di_2.6.32-22.33/ [16:25] s/\//?/ [17:21] * bjf[afk] is back === bjf[afk] is now known as bjf [17:33] JFo, is it intrepid that we quit supporting at the end of May? [18:51] sorry I was away bjf [18:51] had a phone call that I've just finished [18:51] took much longer than I'd planned [19:04] Can anyone hint me what 'NVRM: Xid (0002:00): 13, 0001 00000000 0000502d 000008dc 00000000 00000040' in dmesg might indicate, after what might be a GPU crash? [19:08] bryceh, ^ ? [19:10] bjf, dunno, looks like some hex numbers printed to syslog [19:10] maybe scan the kernel code for the line that prints it out, for more context [19:11] bryceh, ok, was just asking incase you'd run accross it before [19:11] bjf, any idea on my question around deb dependency from above: (Reading database ... 156192 files and directories currently installed.) Preparing to replace linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic 2.6.32-22.33~lp567016 (using linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic_2.6.32-22.33~lp567016_amd64.deb) ... Unpacking replacement linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic ... dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of linux-headers-2.6.32-22-generic: linux-headers-2.6.32-2 [19:11] 2-generic depends on linux-headers-2.6.32-22; [19:11] it is on amd64 [19:11] and I don't see a deb for just linux-headers-2.6.32-2 under there [19:11] err -22* [19:13] JFo, where were you trying to pull that amd64 deb from? [19:14] from Tim's PPA [19:14] bjf, https://edge.launchpad.net/~timg-tpi/+archive/ppa/+build/1704678 [19:14] JFo, url? [19:14] :0 [19:14] JFo, :-) [19:14] :) [19:16] JFo, I don't see anything obviously wrong [19:16] dunno why it says there is a dependency [19:16] ahttps://edge.launchpad.net/~timg-tpi/+archive/ppa/+build/1704678nd I don't have any H/W to test on that is 64 bit [19:17] sigh [19:17] * JFo scratches out his touchpad [19:22] JFo, let me give it a try [19:22] k [19:22] what is a generic-di image? [19:23] don't know [19:23] good thing we work here or this could be confusing [19:23] I know :) [19:27] JFo, ran into same error, looking at it [19:27] k, thanks bjarkef [19:27] wtf? [19:27] bjf i mean [19:28] me tab-complete fails [19:28] and now slash fail [19:28] I give up [19:31] JFo, i have an idea, but I don't understand exactly what is going on, am testing [19:32] ok, thanks for looking bjf === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti [19:38] JFo, I think the issue is because tgardner built that image with a newer abi, the dependency hasn't been released yet I don't think [19:38] I see [19:38] that makes sense [19:38] JFo, i think it's all got to do with where we are in the release [19:38] so we can't use that image [19:38] ok [19:39] JFo, we can use the image, it installed and the headers installed as well, just with the warning/error [19:39] oh, so it worked [19:39] hmm [19:39] JFo, the image booted just fine for me but I probably don't have the HW that is being tested [19:39] ok [19:41] are you comfortable with me having her reboot? :) [19:41] brb [19:43] yes [19:44] cool [19:44] hyperair: you want me to bug people here? [19:45] MTecknology: well they'd know more about initrds, in any case =D [19:45] I'm booting without any initrd. So initramfs-tools seems pretty pointless. Is there any reason that seemingly half the packages in the system have a dependency on it? [19:48] hyperair: btw.. The number one complaint I've heard about Ubuntu is that we 'take away choice' I'm on a personal mission to rip that theory to shreds. I could go repackage each one of those packages and check out the code and the Depends: and change to Suggests: or go about it other wasy. But I'd rather see it there are better options [19:48] MTecknology: good luck with that. our dear dictator is on a mission to take away choice. [19:49] MTecknology: i'm talking about all the ux-stupidity that's getting implemented, without a choice to disable it [19:49] ux-? [19:50] * hyperair mumbles something about update-manager spawning in my face [19:50] hyperair: oh, user interface? [19:50] but this is off-topic in this channel. [19:50] user what? :-) [19:50] yes, user interface. [19:50] heh [19:50] inter face. [19:50] in between faces. [19:51] (^_^)<--- this space is called the interface ---> (^_^) [19:51] * hyperair goes back to studying [19:52] hyperair: lol.. I like what's being done with the UI; You're still free to change it. I need to run off for a little bit. [19:53] hyperair: which dictator are you refering to? [19:54] azop: the self-proclaimed benevolent one. [19:54] named? [19:54] self appointed benevolent dictator for life. [19:54] surely not Mark [19:55] riot [19:55] *S*elf *A*ppointed *B*enevolent *D*ictator *F*or *L*ife. [19:55] yes, I mean Mark. [20:00] hyperair: I like mark, nice guy, never talked to him face to face though [20:01] MTecknology: well don't get me wrong, i don't hate him or anything, it's just that i don't like some of the things he does. notify-osd was awesome, but removing tooltips, making update-manager spawn in your face, etc weren't [20:03] I don't have update-manager installed on here [20:03] I have 528 packages installed - and I want to remove some of them [20:38] akgraner, what we discussed earlier... you are [20:38] errr akgraner_n900 [20:58] here only some airports do and they can do a patdown instead of nekkid machine if you request [20:58] bah [20:58] darned irc client :P that was talking about the millimeter wave airport machines [21:34] maco: nekkid? [21:35] MTecknology: the millimetre wave machines in airports show the airport security what you look like through your clothes [21:35] odd.. [21:35] like x-ray glasses in cartoons that see through clothes but not through skin [21:36] maco: google doesn't seem to know about nekkid machines.. [21:37] MTecknology: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millimeter_wave_scanner [21:38] heh.. that's awkward [21:42] How could I build an extra kernel module into the kernel itself? [21:42] say, the vbox modules.. [21:56] Is it possible to get somewhere an older kernel version? I suspect regression between -18 and now [21:57] dupondje: There's bundles of kernel versions in launchpad, but each is for a different release, so may or may not work well against a given userspace stack. [21:57] dupondje: http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux === sconklin is now known as sconklin-gone [22:01] had a really annoying bug that cifs mount seems to not fluently give data [22:01] when playing music from a cifs mount, it skips from time to time. Suddenly it was fixed, and yesterday I noticed it was back [22:01] jjohansen: question about linux-ec2 + lucid when you get time [22:02] dupondje, http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/l/linux/ [22:03] bjf: thats only 1 per version ? [22:03] see only 1 2.6.32 .. [22:04] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/508930 => maby somebody has other idea's ? :) [22:04] Malone bug 508930 in linux "CIFS mount is offline every x minutes/seconds" [Undecided,Invalid] [22:05] dupondje, so it is.. let me look around [22:10] dupondje, is it an ubuntu bug or do you think it is in mainline as well? there are some mainline kernes built at: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ [22:17] I don't know, but lets check that :) [22:20] MTecknology: modules are not in the kernel but external to it, otherwise they aren't modules? ;) [22:21] JanC: ya.. the terms between =M and =Y confuse me [22:24] rackerhacker: okay shoot [22:25] jjohansen: is there a particular linux-ec2 kernel version you are normally using with lucid? [22:25] 2.6.32.9 works acceptably, but ureadahead & plymouth throw out some interesting errors at boot [22:25] so far, it appears to be just cosmetic [22:27] yeah .9 is the latest [22:28] alrighty, well it seems to work ;) [22:28] i wasn't sure if y'all had tossed it on ec2 yet [22:28] what are the errors you are seeing with ureadahead and plymouth? [22:30] I haven't loooked at that at all recently, but last I remember we were going to disable ureadahead for virtual installs, because the ureadahead buffer can be as large as the vms memory [22:38] For reporting a bug I want to test an upstream kernel from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/MainlineBuilds But I don't know which I need to download. uname -a gives me: 2.6.31-20 any ideas? [22:39] would it be preferred that I comment on bug #563277 or open a new bug for an i855 laptop which works with -19, but gets KMS wrong and seems to entirely lock up while starting X with -21? [22:39] Malone bug 563277 in linux "Please blacklist older 8xx cards from using KMS" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563277 [22:39] I'm trying to dig out an i386 deb of -20 now to see what that makes of it [22:46] jjohansen: i can make a paste for you if you want [22:46] yeah -20 works fine, so it's looking like the blacklist [22:46] rackerhacker: sure [22:47] * Ng wonders what on earth the resolution to that is. some crashes without blacklisting, or some non-booting with it [22:49] jjohansen: i'll have it ready in a few moments [22:51] jjohansen: http://pastie.org/936284 [22:52] rackerhacker: what is the memory size of the vm [22:53] 256M [22:54] my knowledge of ureadahead is relatively limited [22:55] rackerhacker: alright I'll need to poke some as I didn't do the changes for ureadahead and plymouth, but those error messages are likely to be how ureadahead is being "disabled" [22:55] no rush as it appears to be cosmetic at this time [22:55] if you want an environment to play around with, give me a shout and you'll get one [22:56] i'll be in california for the xen summit for the rest of the week, but i'll check my email pretty often [22:56] basically, since ureadahead uses a large kernel ftrace buffer small memory vm's where running out of memory and couldn't boot [22:56] let me see if it happens on a bigger instance [22:58] yeah, exact same output on a 2GB i386 lucid install [22:58] i left ureadahead + plymouth as stock from the debootstrap [22:58] this may very well be the wrong forum to bring up these issues, so just redirect me if so [22:59] rackerhacker: well I'll poke for a bit as I just don't know yet [23:00] sounds good, i'll be happy to submit a formal bug report later on if you need it === KB1JWQ is now known as TheOracle === TheOracle is now known as KB1JWQ