/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/26/#ubuntu-ops.txt

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robertzaccourI was banned for something my dad did. since then I've changed my login settings to password required at startup so he shouldn't be a problem now00:34
jrib@btlogin00:34
robertzaccourhe did this paste of a bunch of characters outlining middle fingers00:35
jribh00k: are you around?00:36
* h00k reattaches00:37
jribrobertzaccour: doesn't really matter who did what, you're responsible for that ip00:37
h00kjrib: yes, I am00:37
jribh00k: robertzaccour was your ban I believe if you want to take a look00:37
h00kjrib: yes, give me one second, here00:38
robertzaccourthe ban was for a bunch of characters posted outlining the 2 middle fingers sticking up.00:38
robertzaccourand i apologize for leaving my i.p. at home open for others to use because of what happened00:38
h00krobertzaccour: remember, you are responsible for that IP address, as jrib said.00:39
robertzaccourh00k, ok00:40
h00krobertzaccour: there were two incidents of you being removed that day for flooding, one was by myself00:41
h00kshortly thereafter was myself.00:41
h00krobertzaccour: I'll remove your ban, just make sure you know what is being said to channels from your username/ip address. I won't hesitate to do it again if necessary00:41
jrib!guidelines > robertzaccour00:42
ubotturobertzaccour, please see my private message00:42
robertzaccourok thanks00:42
jribrobertzaccour: make sure you take over the guidelines so you are aware of what's expected in #ubuntu00:42
jribs/take/look00:42
h00krobertzaccour: please review the guidelines, also the code of conduct before I remove it00:42
h00k!coc > robertzaccour00:42
ubotturobertzaccour, please see my private message00:42
robertzaccourok00:43
h00krobertzaccour: you are set.00:49
funkyHatI have not kicked anyone for being naughty yet ⢁)00:50
h00krobertzaccour: If you could please /part this channel as it's not for idling. I see you are in the channel successfully.00:50
funkyHatWell, except tonyyarusso00:50
funkyHatOop, didn't think anyone was talking. Silly scrollback00:51
h00kfunkyHat: you are silly.00:51
funkyHath00k: ORLY00:51
tonyyarussowhat'd I do now?00:51
tonyyarussooh, right00:51
h00kI don't know, but I just had my first unban.00:51
jribpeople usually use a cousin or sibling, father is new, maybe it was the truth00:52
h00kI'm doubting it00:52
h00kbut it's always possible!00:53
jribtime will tell00:53
persiaI tend to assume it's always true when there is a claim "someone else did it": it gives a nice opportunity to lecture about responsibly protecting one's authentication credentials, which is something I think isn't pushed enough.00:56
persiaThe point being that it doesn't even matter if it was someone else, the mistake is their fault.00:56
h00kI concur01:03
nhandlerJust a reminder while I'm thinking about it, we will need to do a search/update of factoids that mention karmic to make sure they are still correct once lucid is released03:22
IdleOnenhandler: should we offer edits to ubottu or send them to someone specific to review and approve?03:28
nhandlerIdleOne: Just send them to ubottu. Someone will see them here03:29
nhandlerBut most of those factoids should probably wait to be changed until thursday when lucid is released03:29
IdleOnenhandler: yeah probably03:30
IdleOnedoes a edit need to be sent for each trigger?03:33
IdleOnenhandler: ^^03:33
FlannelIdleOne: you mean for aliases? no, just the main one03:33
IdleOneFlannel: ok03:33
IdleOneFlannel: yes I meant aliases:)03:34
FlannelIdleOne: You can find out which one is the main one by checking out the factoid info03:34
Flannel!-hello03:34
ubottuhello is <alias> hi - added by Pici on 2007-10-10 20:34:4503:34
Flannel!-hi03:34
ubottuhi aliases: howdy, hello, hey, welcome - added by Seveas on 2006-07-11 17:20:25 - last edited by tsimpson on 2010-01-17 10:53:5003:34
ubottuIn ubottu, IdleOne said: party is Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to the Lucid release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseParties03:34
FlannelSo, hi is the main one, and those five alias to it.03:34
nhandlerubottu: !party =! s/Karmic/Lucid/g03:36
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)03:36
nhandlerubottu: !party =! s/Karmic/Lucid/03:36
ubottuError: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)03:36
nhandlerubottu: !party is <sed> /Karmic/Lucid/03:37
ubottuI'll remember that nhandler03:37
* nhandler curses the unintelligent regex support03:38
IdleOneoh I think that is my first approved edit :P03:38
* IdleOne takes note of time and date03:38
nhandler:)03:39
ubottuIn ubottu, IdleOne said: links is  DON'T POST LINKS! Lucid isn't out until it's announced, and indicating anything otherwise causes the servers to get more load, thus making the release LATER. Is that what you want?03:40
IdleOnewill we make it 2 for 2 ? :) remains to see03:41
nhandlerIdleOne: That a new factoid you are proposing?03:41
IdleOnenhandler: it is a new/old was deleted factoid03:42
IdleOnethink it is only used on release day03:42
nhandlerI guess we can add it back in for now.03:43
nhandlerubottu: !links is <reply> DON'T POST LINKS! Lucid isn't out until it's announced, and indicating anything otherwise causes the servers to get more load, thus making the release LATER. Is that what you want?03:44
ubottulinks has been forgotten, use '!unforget links' to edit it again03:44
nhandlerubottu: !unforget links03:44
ubottuI suddenly remember links again, nhandler03:44
nhandlerubottu: !no links is <reply> DON'T POST LINKS! Lucid isn't out until it's announced, and indicating anything otherwise causes the servers to get more load, thus making the release LATER. Is that what you want?03:44
ubottuI'll remember that nhandler03:44
IdleOnethis is the only one I see that needs to be edited <reply> Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download: http://releases.ubun….com/9.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.co…enotes/91003:45
IdleOneyeah the links are broke in my paste03:45
IdleOnethe rest should be good03:45
nhandlerHmm...I would be very surprised if that was the case.03:46
IdleOnewell I searched the factoids with karmic03:46
IdleOneoh and !torrents03:46
IdleOneand !releasenotes03:47
IdleOneok so i was wrong03:47
nhandler:)03:48
IdleOnebut without links it's hard to edit03:48
IdleOneI guess I could make an educated guess03:49
nhandlerHmm...Why does !torrents link to the mirrors?03:50
Flannel!torrents03:50
ubottuKarmic can be torrented from http://hr.releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso.torrent or http://se.releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ubuntu-9.10-server-amd64.iso.torrent depending on your architecture. Torrents for other Ubuntu flavours can be found at: http://it.releases.ubuntu.com/ (CD) or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases (DVD).03:50
FlannelNo idea03:50
IdleOneblame apokryphos03:50
IdleOneheh03:50
IdleOneoh no03:51
IdleOnetsimpson :/ bad bad!03:51
IdleOneerrr hell nm03:51
IdleOneI'm to tired03:51
nhandlerAnd we should probably alias torrents to something else until they are actually available.03:52
IdleOneto !!nottorrents03:52
IdleOnehey is shipit open ?03:56
IdleOnenope not yet03:58
bastid_raZorhi, i just had a guy send me a dcc chat. what does that mean and is it dangerous?04:42
IdleOnebastid_raZor: dcc chat is not dangerous but most people don't use it any more. make sure to set your client to not auto accept dcc04:43
IdleOneerr04:43
jussiIdleOne: thats not necessarily true...05:49
jussi!dccexploit05:49
jussi!exploit05:49
ubottuThere are people around who think it is funny to abuse a bug in certain routers by sending invalid DCC commands. When bitten by this bug ops in #ubuntu remove users so they are no longer targets. To fix it have a look here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixDCCExploit05:49
IdleOnejussi: yes, sorry05:51
dholbachgood morning07:21
ubottuIn ubottu, Sh[a]dowwolf said: Sh[a]dowwolf is currently away, try again later07:44
ubottucalebgamb called the ops in #ubuntu ()09:26
Flannelhmm, someone get attacked?09:36
FlannelI guess that'd be more like a netsplit09:36
tsimpsonwhen you want to reference the current devel/release/lts in factoids, you can use place-holders: $curDevel, $curDevelLong, $curDevelNum, $curLTS, $curLTSLong, $curLTSNum, $curStable, $curStableLong, $curStableNum09:57
tsimpsonthose get replaced with config values09:57
tsimpson@config plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevel09:58
ubottuLucid09:58
tsimpson@config plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevelLong09:58
ubottuLucid Lynx09:58
tsimpson@config plugins.Encyclopedia.curDevelNum09:58
ubottu10.0409:58
tsimpsonso when a release happens we can just change the config09:58
tsimpson!no party is <reply> Please remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to $curDevel release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/$curDevelReleaseParties10:05
ubottuI'll remember that tsimpson10:05
tsimpson!party10:05
ubottuPlease remember that #ubuntu, #kubuntu, #xubuntu, and #edubuntu are support channels. To countdown to Lucid release and then party once it happens, join #ubuntu-release-party - For in-person parties, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseParties10:05
nhandlertsimpson: Thanks. I forgot we added those12:07
nhandlertsimpson: We should probably add those variables to the ubottu.com wiki12:15
tsimpsonwell they _were_ on the bot info page ;)12:16
tsimpsonhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots?action=recall&rev=1#Variables12:17
tsimpsonI'll copy it over12:17
nhandlerThanks tsimpson. We probably missed it when we redid the Bots page12:21
ubottuIn ubottu, IdleOne said: unr is Ubuntu Netbook Remix is a slightly altered version of Ubuntu, optimised for small screens. For more information, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - support in #ubuntu13:18
erUSULcan someone fix pastebinit factoid ?13:48
erUSULSimple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com13:49
erUSULthe main/default site fails currently13:49
nhandlerIdleOne: Isn't it UNE now?13:50
nhandlererUSUL: Can you propose a change?13:50
erUSULi just did13:50
erUSULinstead of "Simple usage: command | pastebinit" change to Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com13:51
erUSULnhandler: you just have to add -b13:51
erUSUL                http://paste.ubuntu.com13:51
nhandlerAh, I missed that13:51
erUSUL-b http://paste.ubuntu.com13:51
* erUSUL sorry for the paste brainfart above13:52
nhandlerubottu: !no pastebinit is the command-line equivalent of !pastebin - Command output, or other text can be redirected to pastebinit, which then reports an URL containing the output - To use pastebinit, install the « pastebinit » package from a package manager - Simple usage: command | pastebinit -b http://paste.ubuntu.com13:53
ubottuI'll remember that nhandler13:53
erUSULnhandler: tyvm13:53
* erUSUL waves13:53
Piciyeesh13:58
h00kand Ubuntu Netbook Remix is no longer Netbook Remix in 10.04, it is officially Ubuntu Netbook Edition14:16
bazhang!une14:17
ubottuUbuntu Netbook Remix is a slightly altered version of Ubuntu, optimised for small screens. For more information, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR - support in #ubuntu14:17
h00kbazhang: that works14:19
bazhangh00k, he has a history of it14:19
h00kah. noted.14:19
PiciAUGH14:19
bazhangdarksider seems to have been infected though14:20
elkyaetr again?14:20
h00kyes14:21
tsimpsonnhandler: you can't paste to paste.ubuntu.com without using OpenID14:22
tsimpsonso it'll probably need to be some other site14:22
Picitsimpson: Yes you can.14:22
tsimpsonPici: I thought it was disabled?14:22
Picitsimpson: I believe that you only need an openid if you want to get the rawtext.14:22
tsimpsonhmm, ok14:23
tsimpsonPici: yeah, you're right14:24
* tsimpson still doesn't get why though14:24
* Pici gives bazhang an opsnack14:25
bazhanggot darksider in PM, and he wondered why he was removed after *a single line* then quit. though with more colourful language naturally14:28
h00kikonia: what was he doing, I missed it15:55
ikoniah00k: he persistantly cross-posts his issues across multiple ubuntu channels, despite being told not to on many occasions15:55
h00kikonia: oh, he was doing that. gotcha.15:55
ikoniait's not the first time, I've given him multiple chats about it and I know two others have too15:56
Pici10:46:00 <llutz> alabd: man find (ctime/mtime)15:56
Pici10:46:15 <alabd> llutz,  you man it first15:56
PiciThats not good either ^15:56
alabdikonia,  :)15:56
ikoniaI'm not laughing about it15:56
h00koh, that's not a laugh.15:57
ikoniaalabd: how many times have you been told about cross-posting your issues ?15:57
alabdikonia, it is not bad when we need more answers15:57
ikoniaalabd: how many times have you been told about cross-posting your issues ?15:57
alabdikonia, it is not bad when we need more answers15:58
h00kI totally didn't think ikonia was talking to alabd, please note that for the log.15:58
ikoniaok - if you want to play silly games I'm not progressing this15:58
ikoniaalabd: I'll ask you one more time, do you agree you have been told multiple times to not cross-post questions ?15:58
alabdikonia,  you have power here and you can do kick/bann but brain says it is not bad idea to cross post when we can not get proper answer15:59
ikoniaalabd: it is not acceptable to cross-post your questions across multiuple channels, more so when they are not support channels like #ubuntu-offtopic15:59
ikoniaalabd: you have been told this multiple times and refuse to stop.15:59
ikoniaalabd: you are now banned from those channels15:59
alabd you have power here and you can do kick/bann but brain says it is not bad idea to cross post when we can not get proper answer16:00
alabdlogic says it is not bad idea to cross post when we can not get proper answer16:01
ikoniaalabd: this is not up for discussion. Those are the rules of the channels16:01
ikoniaalabd: you have continued to break these rules, you are now banned.16:01
alabdok where is rules ?16:02
ikonia!guidelines > alabd16:02
ubottualabd, please see my private message16:02
ikonia!coc > alabd16:02
ikoniaalabd: I have also spoken to you about this cross-posting in #ubuntu-offtopic, and I know at least one other operator has also16:02
ikoniaalabd: so you have been told multiple times by individuals also to stop16:02
ikoniaalabd: also your attitude towards people in the channels is not acceptable, more so when these people are trying to help16:05
ikoniawith that said, I think it appropriate for you to take some time out of these channels to think about how you participate in the channles in future16:05
alabdyes you can do anything16:05
ikoniaok, well in that case, have a think about your particpation in the #ubuntu channels, and come back in a week and we can discuss removing your ban then16:06
alabdwhere is cross post mentioned ? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines can not see16:06
ikoniaI can update that, but as I've said said multiple people have asked and then told you to stop16:07
alabdno you should write it there then tell others16:08
ikoniaI'll update it now, but it is applied in the behaviour16:08
charlie-tcaI think it is covered by - "Recommendations from channel operators, including those stored in the channel bots, should be followed. "16:08
alabdshould humble listen to any person in channel16:08
ikoniahowever as I said, multiple people have asked you and then told you to stop16:08
alabd should humble listen to any person in channel maybe he is not logic only rule that is written somewhere can be impotant not users speech also you should say why cross post is bad is it bad always ? we can have exceptions but maybe for you is easier to ban16:11
ikoniaalabd: I and others as operators of the channel (known to you) asked you and then told you to stop16:11
ikoniayou have not done so, you are now banned16:12
alabdyou should say why cross post is bad is it bad always ? we can have exceptions but maybe for you is easier to ban16:12
ikoniaI suggest you take a week out of the channel and think about how and if you want to participate and come back to this channel in a week and we'll look at removing the ban. Do you understand16:12
h00k!crosspost16:12
ubottuPlease don't ask the same question in multiple Ubuntu channels at the same time. Many helpers are in more than one channel and it's not fair to them or the other people seeking support.16:12
alabdh00k, yes thanks16:13
h00kcharlie-tca: yes, it is indeed covered in that clause16:13
alabdbut we should see when a question is not answer first it a channel it can be asked in another ,16:13
alabdand didn't ask question exactly in the same ikonia16:14
ikoniaalabd: no it can't be asked in other offtopic channels16:14
ikoniaalabd: as I've told you before16:14
alabdalso humble told you you have power and can do what you want16:15
alabdbye16:15
ikoniaHmmm for some reason I can't end the new line I've put in irc/guidlines16:17
ikoniahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines#preview16:19
ikoniasome one take a look and see if they can fix the formatting mistake I've made ?16:19
Piciwe can't see your previews.16:19
ikoniaahh you'll see it anyway as the changes have been submitted to you16:19
knomei'll take care of that16:19
PiciPlus I don't really think that this edit should go through w/o the ircc's consultation.16:19
ikoniait's been discussed many times before and never actually implimented.16:20
h00kPlease watch out for poutine, was trolling in -offtopic about disabled people, he was banned and removed16:20
ikoniaI can remove it16:20
knomei fixed it16:20
knomenow feel free to remove it16:20
ikoniaknome: oh, well done, what was the issue ?16:21
knomeikonia, you needed a space in the beginning of the row to indent16:21
ikoniaahh, thank you16:21
h00kPici: :o16:21
Pici!staff | Please see #ubuntu-unregged16:21
ikoniabig catch16:22
h00kwow.16:22
Picimarienz: I see you're on stats p, could you please take a look at this attack here?16:22
marienzon it16:23
ikonianice one Pici16:23
ikoniathey are just saying kernel panic - odd16:23
PiciThey're getting thrown in #ubuntu-ungregged now, making a mess.16:23
tsimpson!test16:24
ubottuhrm?16:24
Picitsimpson: /me shrugs16:24
tsimpsonoddness16:24
h00kthat is new to me16:25
marienzsorry for the delay16:25
Picimarienz: how do things look?16:35
marienzquieting down16:35
* marienz knocks on wood16:35
Picimarienz: Do you think its okay to remove +r?16:36
marienzPici: I think it's worth a shot, but you should probably keep an eye on the channel for a few minutes afterwards in case they have an angel in there and he's impatient16:37
marienzthen again :(16:38
Piciyeah ;(16:38
marienz(I'm klining these, but I can't do it before they join)16:39
Pici(okay)16:39
h00k!ping |16:44
ubottu: pong16:44
h00kheh16:44
h00kI was testing something.16:44
Picimarienz, thanks for the help.16:59
marienzthey aren't quite all gone yet :(17:01
PiciIt feels quieter though :)17:02
h00kI set mode +r again, we're having some people come in17:05
h00kI guess I didn't notice if it was unset, but we had a few come in17:05
h00kso I +r'd again17:05
tsimpson!staff17:06
ubottuhey Christel, Dave2, Gary, KB1JWQ, Levia, Martinp23, Pricey, SportsChick, VorTechS, jayne, jenda, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, stew or tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :)17:06
marienzI see them17:06
tsimpsonthank you :)17:06
marienzI want to avoid adding an instant autokline on "kernel panic" though17:06
h00ktsimpson: where are you seeing them?17:07
tsimpsonh00k: #ubuntu-unregged17:07
marienzh00k: there were at least two on #ubuntu that I saw (from right before the +r was reset)17:07
h00ktsimpson: yeah, I threw them in there from #ubuntu17:07
marienzone on #-unregged after that17:07
tsimpsonh00k: I was going to set +r, but you beat me to it17:08
h00ktsimpson: :)17:08
h00kblame the coffee17:08
tsimpsonby the way, you #ubuntu ops should really join #ubuntu-ops-monitor17:08
* h00k joins17:09
h00kd'ya think it'd be safe to -r?17:17
marienzI'd appreciate trying17:19
marienzthey're easier for me to spot if they actually get one "kernel panic" out17:19
h00kand done17:19
Picih00k: you may want to remove your hat as well ;)17:20
h00kPici: you're right.17:20
h00kPici: I missed you taking your hat off17:20
Picih00k: I issued -rqo $~a Pici17:21
h00kwhat is $~a?17:21
PiciIts the extended banmask for 'not identified'17:22
h00kOoooh, okay17:22
PiciThat line would be no different than doing: /mode -r    /mode -q $~a    /mode -o Pici17:22
PiciBut its faster and causes less spam in the channel, especially because mode changes often cause people to as 'what was that?'17:23
Picis/as/ask/17:23
h00kright17:23
h00koop, there was another one17:25
h00kokay, I'm out for a bit.17:27
marienzalready klined (and I almost klined that hkblah guy too, I'm a little twitchy)17:27
marienzkhghgkhgkhkj that is17:27
PiciI did a double-take too when I saw that nick...17:27
ubottuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, MTecknology said: !no kirby is <reply><( ^.^ <)   <( ^.^ )>   (> ^.^ )>   |   I think it makes it easier to see that he's dancing - and he looks bigger. :)18:05
h00kthere is still the occasional joiner, but it's a lot better18:28
h00kthanks marienz18:28
tsimpsonsooo, who wants to clear out -unregged?18:29
ikoniatsimpson: what do you need18:34
tsimpsonI just want to know who wants to do it :)18:34
tsimpsonit's rather fun to see the bots kick ~60 nicks out of there18:35
ikoniaI can help out18:36
tsimpsonikonia: you can join #ubuntu-unregged and type "/mode +i"18:37
ikoniaahhh change it to invite only so it bounces them18:39
ikoniaclever18:39
marienzah, and you leave ops alone, yay18:43
marienzI'm hilighting on "kernel panic", I think it only caught one of them in the last hour or so18:44
h00kthere was another one, I didn't get my banhammer out quick enough19:20
Picih00k: idoru took care of it19:20
marienzbah, I look away for a few minutes...19:20
h00kPici: Yeah, I saw that19:21
h00kI was really trying to be patient and not throw out !lucid factoids in #ubuntu, but it just saves so much time19:25
h00kbecause I have a feeling it will become quite common until Thursday19:26
nikoin #ubuntu-fr the bot send a private message for /(10.04|lucid)/i and the next time an invite to the channel19:29
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