[00:46] <LeeJunFan> My composite effects in lucid are unselectable in kde, however running 'KWIN_COMPOSE=O kwin --replace &' gets kwin to start with compositing. I still cant configure any in systemsettings though. Any ideas? running fglrx btw from ubuntu repos.
[00:53] <jjesse> shipit.kubuntu.org has an invalid security certificate, who does that get reported to?
[00:56] <Riddell> jjesse: works ok in rekonq
[00:56] <Riddell> what browser are you using?
[00:57] <jjesse> firefox throws an error for me
[00:57] <Riddell> firefox fine here too
[00:57] <jjesse> asked me if i wanted to confirm the exception
[00:57] <jjesse> hrmm
[00:57] <jjesse> wierd
[00:58] <valorie> works fine for me in FF
[00:58] <valorie> and chromium
[00:58] <jjesse> crazy
[00:58] <valorie> and konq
[00:58] <Riddell> jjesse: maybe your ISP is doing a man in the middle attack and so they can change your details and redirect the precious Kubuntu CD for themselves!
[00:59] <jjesse> hahah
[00:59] <jjesse> will blame the hotel for that
[00:59] <valorie> you have evil overlords
[00:59] <valorie> eeeeevil
[00:59] <Riddell> jjesse: serial No 04:56:15:E6:F6:62:AF
[01:00] <jjesse> is that supposed to be my mac?
[01:01] <Riddell> jjesse: no it's the SSL certificate's serial No
[01:02] <jjesse> yup that's the one i got
[01:22] <Daskreech> I think that starting kopete on the Live CD kicks off Akonadi and nepomuk
[01:23] <Daskreech> Hi JontheEchidna
[01:23] <Daskreech> nixternal: ping
[01:38] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: pong
[03:45]  * ScottK waves from California.
[03:45] <ScottK> My Kubuntu CD didn't make it here.  I gave it to the guy sitting next to me on the plane. He thought my Kubuntu laptop looked really interesting.
[03:50] <jjesse> yay
[04:03] <maco> ScottK: my kubuntu cds never make it to my destination when i travel
[04:04] <maco> apachelogger: so i did what userbase said and uncommented the sql mode thingy. that didnt fix it. so then it says try recommenting that and uncommenting a different sql mode thingy.  that made akonadi crash and spit stack trace and kontact run in the background with no gui (very confusing)
[04:04] <maco> getting notifications of new mail while not having a kontact window open is weird
[05:53] <ScottK> rgreening: testdrive should work with usb-creator-kde now too.
[06:01] <rgreening__> ScottK: cool
[06:09] <ScottK> We are not alone: http://cazou.blogspot.com/2010/04/google-summer-of-code-2010.html
[08:09] <apachelogger> ScottK, Riddell: we probably should SRU kdepimlibs and raise the self-test timeout to 5 minutes
[08:10] <apachelogger> then again 5 minutes is a long time if startup failed for real
[08:10] <apachelogger> if your kontact takes 5 minutes to start one must consider it broken anyway IMHO
[09:04] <Riddell> apachelogger: what is it a timeout for? waiting for akonadi to start?
[09:05] <apachelogger> Riddell: yeah
[09:09] <Riddell> apachelogger: and that'll work around my issue of it not starting first time?
[09:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: no, for you something else is broken
[09:10] <apachelogger> but I have a feeling that a lot of the agents-missing-complaints are due to too short timeout
[09:11] <apachelogger> e.g. netbook + not properly terminated database = start > 1 minute
[09:11] <apachelogger> especially if it is also restoring the previous session
[10:43] <Riddell> ~identia dent Plasma Desktop Scripting session in #plasma today 16:00UTC
[10:43] <Riddell> ...
[10:44] <Riddell> kubotu: don't you dent for me?
[10:44] <Riddell> ~identica dent Plasma Desktop Scripting session in #plasma today 16:00UTC
[10:44] <kubotu> status updated
[10:45] <Riddell> that'll be it
[11:28] <apachelogger> hm
[11:28] <apachelogger> seems I am not following Riddell :|
[11:33] <Riddell> ~identica dent Kubuntu 10.04 LTS candidate images appearing, testers needed, come to #kubuntu-devel
[11:33] <kubotu> status updated
[11:33] <Riddell> two microblogs in a day, must be a record
[11:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: you really need to use !Kubuntu to gain more coverage
[11:45] <Riddell> hmm, this technology stuff is comfusing
[11:45] <Riddell> ~identica dent Kubuntu 10.04 LTS candidate images appearing, testers needed, come to #kubuntu-devel !kubuntu
[11:45] <kubotu> status updated
[11:47] <keffie_jayx> that was niffty
[11:48] <keffie_jayx> I am here, I am downloading the iso now, is there a test sheet?
[11:52] <apachelogger> Riddell: since the message length is restircted, microblogging comes up with 'simplified' tagging ... #foo will tag the message as foo, !foo will post the message to the group foo (considering there is one)
[11:53] <apachelogger> Riddell: group: http://identi.ca/group/identica vs tag: http://identi.ca/tag/identica ... I recently tagged a message as identica, I did however not post it to the group
[11:53] <apachelogger> whereas I did post it to the kubuntu group
[11:54] <apachelogger> and to make it ultimately confusing !foo implies #foo ;)
[11:54] <Riddell> I think I'll just post this macroblog :)
[11:54] <apachelogger> group posts http://identi.ca/group/kubuntu always appear as tags http://identi.ca/tag/kubuntu too
[11:55] <apachelogger> Riddell: hehe
[11:56] <apachelogger> keffie_jayx: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[12:17] <JontheEchidna> So I got LibQApt to intall things, but it seems to only install one dep per go :S
[12:18] <JontheEchidna> e.g. when installing  kpat, on the first try it got libkdegames5, the second got kdegames-card-data, and the third try it installed kpat
[12:21] <JontheEchidna> will have to figure out that one after class. ;)
[12:33] <jussi> do we really ship with only one screensaver? (the blank screen one?)
[12:36] <persia> screensavers aren't useful for most folks these days.  It's harder and harder to purchase a CRT.
[12:36] <persia> Anyway, even for CRT, blank screen is the most efficient at reducing phosphor etching.
[12:48] <davmor2> Riddell: netbook why if I go to page one and then back to the main screen is the app I opened not there?
[13:14] <Riddell> davmor2: the netbook UI isn't a desktop, you can alt-tab to it like any other window
[13:15] <Riddell> if you click page one the netbook UI will be infront of other windows
[13:23] <Riddell> desktop images are up, go go ISO testers!
[13:27] <txwikinger> Riddell: cool
[13:41] <davmor2> Riddell: Yeah I figure that bit out ta :)
[13:44] <shadeslayer> bah.. gwibber should really be replaced by a better GUI... choqok definitely handles everything more efficiently
[13:59] <maco> shadeslayer: except for the memory leaks ;-)
[14:00] <shadeslayer> maco: i think those are plugged in the git version
[14:00] <maco> oh yay
[14:00] <shadeslayer> its using 4 MB right now :P
[14:00] <maco> wow i need to get that version. the 100-something mb version is annoying
[14:00] <shadeslayer> wait..
[14:00] <shadeslayer> 40 MB
[14:01] <shadeslayer> maco: its in my PPA :)
[14:01] <shadeslayer> although PPA's are very very slow right now
[14:02] <shadeslayer> X is leaking like hell though here
[14:07]  * apachelogger is pushing a monster git repo around
[14:08] <Riddell> apachelogger: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/n3uaX20X fresh install new /home addressbook not happy on first kontact start
[14:10] <apachelogger> ohm
[14:10] <apachelogger> I do hate it in so many ways
[14:10] <apachelogger> ...
[14:10] <apachelogger> :(
[14:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: did it take about one minute for the error dialog to pop up?
[14:11] <claydoh> should we use update-notifier-kde -d or update-manager -d -c as per the iso testing page instructions?
[14:11] <Riddell> no error dialogue popped up apachelogger I had to look at the address book in kontact to see the error
[14:11]  * claydoh knows the answer to this one :)
[14:12] <Riddell> update-notifier-kde -d
[14:12] <shadeslayer> claydoh: hehe..
[14:12] <apachelogger> that is weird
[14:12]  * apachelogger thinks that no error means that the startup loop returned within the timeout
[14:12] <apachelogger> which makes one wonder why it failed to find resource agents
[14:12] <claydoh> wo to contact on fixing that in the testing pages for Kubuntu?
[14:13]  * apachelogger zsyncs daily-live
[14:15] <claydoh> apachelogger:  Riddell: that akonadi error is what  a lot of folks are getting ( me as well)
[14:17] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same error log here too :P
[14:17] <apachelogger> I'll make sure to give krake a spanking next time I see him :P
[14:17] <shadeslayer> although after 3 tries it starts \o/
[14:20] <claydoh> ok now the wsting page has a link to the Hardy upgrades page lol
[14:20] <claydoh> err the upgrade instructions that is
[14:20] <shadeslayer> claydoh: i guess you should wait a while then :P
[14:21] <claydoh> no, upgrading *to* hardy :)
[14:22] <claydoh> oooh I can edit it!
[14:24] <claydoh> fixed
[14:35] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: btw theres a bug about kde crashing while logging out
[14:35] <shadeslayer> also crashes on shutdowns and reboots...
[14:36] <shadeslayer> can you have a look?
[14:39] <david_> the installer timezone screen detects the correct timezone for me (eastern) in the map, but shows alaska in the box...is this a known bug?
[14:50] <shadeslayer> is there a way to stop kpk from checking for updates daily? the GUI method doesnt work...
[14:52] <Riddell> do it from software-properties-kde
[14:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i want to add more info to : https://edge.launchpad.net/rekonq : how do i do that?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> like link the git repo,add a tarball link...
[14:56] <tsimpson> shadeslayer: click the "Change details" button?
[14:56] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: no such button here :P
[14:57] <tsimpson> do you own the project?
[14:57] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: no
[14:57] <tsimpson> well, there's your problem ;)
[14:57] <tsimpson> only someone who owns it or is a driver can do that iirc
[14:57] <shadeslayer> hehe :)... should i contact the owner?
[14:58] <shadeslayer> well.. https://edge.launchpad.net/~schmirrwurst has no email address :P
[14:58] <tsimpson> there should be a "contact this user" button
[14:58] <shadeslayer> yeah im using that :)
[14:58] <tsimpson> top right
[14:59] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: i can see it :P
[15:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: software-properties-kde does not respect my settings
[15:08] <Riddell> freeflying: are you coming to UDS?
[15:10] <freeflying> Riddell: no, my visa application was declined by Belgium
[15:11] <Riddell> humph
[15:11] <Riddell> smelly Belgiums, how can you decline a visa when you don't even have a government!
[15:12] <alvin> freeflying: Declined?
[15:12] <freeflying> alvin: yes, without any reason
[15:12] <ulysses> hello guys
[15:12] <alvin> Unbelievable. We are used to not having a government, but declining visas?
[15:13] <freeflying> alvin: we even appealed, but no reply :)
[15:13] <alvin> I didn't know you even needed that.
[15:13] <freeflying> alvin: yes, I need it
[15:14] <alvin> Yes, administration is lazy. Actually, one of the biggest discussions in politics is the immigration rate. Declining visas for a simple travel is something new.
[15:15] <freeflying> alvin: yup, its the first time of mine application been declined :P
[15:15] <alvin> freeflying: Where are you from?
[15:15] <freeflying> alvin: cost me 3 weeks to know the result
[15:15] <freeflying> alvin: China
[15:16] <alvin> Really weird. I'll take a look.
[15:16] <freeflying> alvin: the other funnest thing is, other two colleagues of mine got their visas with the same set of documents
[15:17] <alvin> So, you got nothing, but they did?
[15:19] <alvin> freeflying: Did you use this link: http://diplomatie.belgium.be/en/services/travel_to_belgium/visa_for_belgium/visa_needed/
[15:20] <shtylman> Riddell: we need some automated testing for the installer :)
[15:21] <alvin> freeflying: If you like, I can call the immigration service who handles this.
[15:21] <Riddell> shtylman: yes that would be nice, there was something about that at the last canonical meeting but I don't remember what now
[15:21] <freeflying> alvin: that would be great
[15:21] <freeflying> alvin: really appreciate
[15:22] <alvin> Do you have some number or information you can give me about your application?
[15:23] <freeflying> alvin: hold on plz
[15:28] <ScottK> apachelogger: Is there somewhere I can adjust the Akonadi timeout by hand to try it and see?
[15:36] <pawel__> hi, Amarok doesn't close sometimes when right clicking the tray icon and choosing quit
[15:37] <pawel__> I have to use File → quite
[15:37] <pawel__> quit*
[15:38] <pawel__> btw. thanks for getting rid of few annoying bugs in Amarok :)
[15:39] <shtylman> Riddell: do we have an svg of the logo as it is now?
[15:39] <shtylman> I would like to fix it
[15:40] <shtylman> for future use..
[15:40] <shtylman> the center circle needs to be cleaned up a bit
[15:40] <shtylman> the center circle needs to be cleaned up a bit
[15:44] <ulysses> shtylman: Is this it? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu-new-logo.svg
[15:44] <shtylman> indeed...I think it is :)
[15:46] <shtylman> ulysses: actually... thats the old one
[15:47] <shtylman> im looking for the newest one with the right text and all
[15:52] <Riddell> shtylman: KubuntuArtwork wiki page
[15:52] <shtylman> Riddell: thanks
[15:58] <shtylman> Riddell: check your emails and compare :0
[16:05] <claydoh> w00t! upgrade was flawless, even fglrx and boxee survived :)
[16:06] <shtylman> sebas: ping
[16:11] <shadeslayer_> is there a way to get apt download multiple debs at the same time?
[16:11] <shadeslayer_> it isnt doing that right now...
[16:16] <david_> the installer timezone screen detects the correct timezone for me (eastern) in the map, but shows alaska in the box...is this a known bug?
[16:16] <bipolar> Is anyone else using Kontact with a Kolab server? Is it working ok for you?
[16:17] <bipolar> I'm experiencing severe lag adding contacts, and thats as far as I've gotten in testing.
[16:21] <Riddell> http://muse.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-logo-lucid.svg
[16:56] <Riddell> Plasma Desktop Scripting session in #plasma in 5 minutes
[17:01] <Riddell> apachelogger, lex79: one now ^^
[17:01] <Riddell> on now
[17:01] <lex79> ok :)
[18:24] <shtylman> Riddell: do you use kvm to test the installer? or something else?
[18:33] <neversfelde> so seems that I cannot become a MOTU, because I only package KDE related things. I most honestly say, that I can't follow this argumentation, because we have a lot of MOTUs, that do only KDE packaging :(
[18:33] <neversfelde> can someone point me to the process of becoming a kubuntu-dev?
[18:35] <lex79>  neversfelde who say that you can't become motu?
[18:36] <neversfelde> lex79: the developer membership board said that I should better become a kubuntu-dev
[18:36] <lex79> ah
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> well given that there are 110 KDE packages in universe...
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> bullcrap
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> unless kubuntu-dev gets those too
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: ^thoughts?
[18:45] <nixternal> neversfelde: never said you can't become a MOTU, just said it seemed from looking at your packages, the kubuntu dev would fit you better
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-dev doesn't have kde-packages-in-universe, though
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> as it stands, a kubuntu-dev can only upload a quarter of what it needs to on its own (without motu/core-dev)
[18:47] <neversfelde> nixternal: I did not understand correctly then, probably I should have a look at this tomorrow again. I am a little bit dissappointed at the moment. This was waste of time today :(
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> e.g. half of kde-related main, and then none of kde universe. (which is roughly equal to the amount of packages in main)
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> kubuntu-dev is a joke, basically
[18:52] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: what has been done to get that fixed?
[18:52] <lex79> JontheEchidna: a joke...agree, I don't care become kubuntu-dev for that
[18:52] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: cjwatson said he'd look at things at least for Main packages
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: back when we had my core-dev app discussed
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> but until it's fixed I don't think the DMB can really recommend kubuntu-dev at all without looking really silly
[18:54] <lex79> agree again :)
[18:54] <lex79> :P
[18:54] <neversfelde> so back to business :)
[18:54] <nixternal> neversfelde: i wouldn't worry, you have the skills and proof to become either a core-dev, motu, or kubuntu-dev
[18:55] <neversfelde> bulldog98 volunteered to help us packaging 4.4.3, how can we manage this?
[19:26] <jjesse> is today's daily the one we are supposed to be testing for RC?
[19:28] <JontheEchidna> I believe we're testing the final CDs now
[19:30] <ulysses> It's the final:) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-April/004352.html
[19:40] <dpm> hi all, could someone comment on bug 550707? It seems that either the language packs are not being downloaded with a network installation, or the locale not being properly set, but I don't quite understand the packages involved or how this works in Kubuntu
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> It looks like he wants to get the langpacks downloaded while ubiquity is copying over the files, instead of after
[19:44] <JontheEchidna> or maybe he's saying that language-selector is installing language support, but then complaining about incomplete language support?
[20:06] <dpm> JontheEchidna, thanks for commenting. My guess is that language packs get installed for his language after having selected it in the installer, but he might have to explicitly go to Regional Settings to "activate" the language, I'm not sure
[20:07] <dpm> anyway, need to go now, have a great evening everyone!
[20:08] <vandenoever> what's the time until the lucid release? i just downloaded the RC and wonder how long till the installed system can be upgraded to a real lucid
[20:09] <ulysses> Lucid will be released on 29th April, only two days)
[20:11] <vandenoever> ulysses: so the RC is unlikely to change then?
[20:12] <ulysses> vandenoever: I think not really
[20:14] <apachelogger> sweet
[20:14] <apachelogger> I didnt even need to triage bug 375145
[20:14]  * apachelogger just droped in from a 4 hour hci meeting -.-
[20:44] <maco> jussi: how long does it normally take you to sync to the quassel core?
[21:07]  * ulysses is from Lucid amd64
[21:44] <vandenoever> greetings from a fresh kubuntu lucid
[21:45] <vandenoever> install was relatively smooth
[21:45] <vandenoever> main problem was that my old install (jaunty) was not detected and that my crypto home drive was not detected
[22:30] <maco> anyone else see this lovely change today? left clicking kmix does nothing, and right clicking then hitting mute checks the checkbox but doesnt change the icon in the tray?
[22:30] <vandenoever> hmm, ooo is already oracle branded in lucid
[22:31] <JontheEchidna> maco: works for me (tm)
[22:32] <JontheEchidna> sounds like a dead tray icon though
[22:32]  * ulysses also
[22:32] <maco> hmm yeah right click -> mute checked the checkbox but didnt actually mute it
[22:38] <ulysses> I can't open the Settings in Kopete, it hangs on every time, I should kill it
[22:49] <ulysses> I found the bugreport: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=227681
[22:52] <ulysses> good night people