[00:00] RAOF, hi [00:00] hey TheMuso [00:00] Hey rickspencer3. [00:00] rickspencer3: Howdie. [00:16] you guys have already had a holiday before I've finished one working day this week :) [00:30] heh [00:32] Nafai: It was only myself and robert_ancell who had the public holiday. [00:32] ah [00:34] TheMuso: unfortunately NZ didn't have the holiday yesterday :) [00:34] ajmitch: As I said above, I thought NSW didn't either./ === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [05:59] Good morning [07:38] good morning [07:47] bonjour didrocks [07:51] good morning guys [07:54] Guten Morgen pitti [07:54] salut baptistemm [08:00] I'm off for an hour for some running, while the alternate test is running [08:02] salut didrocks [08:56] hello there [08:56] hi seb128 [08:57] hi [08:57] hey baptistemm cassidy [08:57] how are things 2 days before the release? :) [08:58] looks good from my perspective I would say ;-) [08:58] hey seb128, cassidy [08:58] lut didrocks === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [09:16] hey seb128 [09:17] hey pitti [09:17] c'mon kvm, crank harder.. [09:57] seb128: are you very busy ATM? i. e. time for a totally low-prio question? [09:57] * pitti is doing install testing and wants to work on some of his old bugs [10:04] pitti, not busy at all no [10:04] pitti, I'm between iso testing and bug triage and some sru start [10:04] seb128: do you still remember the problem in bug 92214? [10:04] Launchpad bug 92214 in pkg-create-dbgsym "would be nice to add .gnu_debuglink when --dbg-package is used" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/92214 [10:05] I think -dbg packages work in general, but there was something wrong with that particular gnome-panel version [10:05] pitti, I don't know details over what I wrote on the bug [10:06] seb128: so there the -dbg packages were broken, and the dbgsyms worked? [10:06] the debug symbols were fine [10:06] usually, with --dbg-package, dh_strip adds a .gnu.debuglink itself [10:06] but the real binary didn't get the .gnu_debug... [10:07] which means gdb was not autoloading the symbols [10:07] I've not seen that issue for ages though [10:07] I assume it has been fixed since [10:07] I would close the bug [10:07] I wonder if it was a problem in g-p back then [10:07] well as written in the bug [10:08] i. e. without p-c-d it wouldn't have gotten a debuglink either [10:08] "dh_strip debug symbol extraction: not adding gnu debuglinks since --dbg-package is given" [10:08] that error was in the build log [10:08] "error" [10:08] right [10:09] pitti, gnome-panel build logs still have those though [10:09] I just looked in the lucid build [10:09] right, because it builds gnome-panel-dbg [10:10] if --dbg-package is given, then dh_strip adds the .gnu_debuglinnk [10:10] if p-c-d would already do it, then the real dh_strip would fail [10:10] (you can only add it onc) [10:10] "once") [10:10] in any case the binary is fine in lucid [10:11] so whatever the bug was it has been fixed [10:11] I would just close the bug and don't bother trying to figure where the issue was [10:11] ok, so if neither of us can reconstruct what went wrong, then let's close it, yes [10:11] it might have been in the gnome-panel packaging indeed [10:11] thanks seb128 [10:11] np [10:11] hello everyone [10:11] hey chrisi [10:11] seb128: btw, it would fail with --dbg-package=libpanel-applet2-0 and compat level < 5 [10:11] hey chrisccoulson [10:11] hey seb128, how are you? [10:11] seb128: perhaps that was the problem back then [10:11] hey chrisccoulson [10:12] hey pitti [10:13] seb128: I also have a similar bug (bug 423748) with more info, I'll look at that [10:13] Launchpad bug 423748 in pkg-create-dbgsym "Unable to create valid debug packages from some packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423748 [10:14] pitti, indeed, compat was 4 in that version [10:14] pitti, I just checked on launchpad [10:20] pitti, urg, new plymouth update? it means iso will be respinned I guess? [10:21] yes :-( [10:21] it broke encrypted disks [10:21] like, total boot failure [10:21] urg, ok [10:35] chrisccoulson, didrocks, pitti: let me know if you want to do some SRU of the .1 GNOME updates [10:35] I'm watching those which can be interesting to update [10:35] seb128: I'm happy to do some; since they need bugs now anyway, perhaps just assign them to me? [10:36] seb128: OTP, but will then :) [10:36] (or tell me which I can/should do, and I'll create the bugs) [10:36] didrocks, owhat? [10:36] "one time pad"? [10:36] "off to police"? [10:36] ;-) [10:37] seb128: on the phone with 01net :) [10:37] oh ok [10:38] bah, the queue view is unusable, thanks to language packs sitting there [10:38] I wanted to look at which ones robert_ancell might have worked on [10:38] seb128: q -Q unapproved | grep -v language-pack ? [10:39] pitti, I tried to use the webui for once, it's a fail apparently so back to ssh yes ;-) [10:39] it didn't like "!language" as a filter criterious [10:39] * pitti mostly uses the webui these days, but right now it's useless, right [10:39] pitti, ok, what about gvfs and gdm for you? [10:39] seb128: soudns fine [10:40] pitti, gvfs fixes bug #553082 [10:40] Launchpad bug 553082 in gvfs "hangs while opening trash if there are files with emblems inside" [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553082 [10:40] pitti, do you need an another bug to track the update? [10:40] that's fine [10:40] * pitti assigns to him [10:40] thanks [10:40] gdm is a bit border line [10:41] they turned a11y by default, we might want to back that out [10:41] not sure how much of a change that is and how much potential it has to create issues [10:42] ok, noted to revert that [10:42] pitti, bug #421292 is one fixed by the gdm update [10:42] Launchpad bug 421292 in gdm ""Login" button should be "Switch to" for already logged in users" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421292 [10:42] seb128: hi, how can I make gnome-session run in debug mode at startup? I have a odd case here in my kvm where I can not log into the gnome-session (well, sometimes I can) [10:43] seb128: (bah string change..; but ok, it's a small one) [10:43] mvo, change the .desktop to use --debug? [10:44] thanks [10:45] I love it, now the problem went away [10:46] pitti, right, small ui change in the non default case for those tweaking with gconftool but no new string (ie the string is already translated) [11:26] hum, langpack documentation is somewhat suboptimal [11:26] the current iso has 2 megabytes of cheese documentation but cheese is not installed [11:34] can't have our cake and eat it, too :/ same problems with translations in general, of course [11:35] right [11:41] seb128: hm, you tagged gvfs 1.6.0+git20100414-0ubuntu2 with a backport of that change in bzr, but it was never uploaded (or rejected), right? [11:42] did I? [11:42] oh yes [11:43] pitti, no we were frozen by the time we did that and I planned to wait for upstream to ack it before uploading [11:43] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/lucid/gvfs/lucid/revision/122 [11:43] and they just did yesterday [11:43] sorry about that [11:43] seb128: since that patch is in 1.6.1, I'll just clobber that entire commit, since ubuntu2 was never uploaded; ok for you? [11:43] yes [11:43] thanks [11:43] seb128: no need to be sorry, just ensuring that you know what happened [11:43] * pitti hugs seb128 [11:43] * seb128 hugs pitti [11:44] good that we did a git snapshot before, now it's just an one-line patch and about 3 po file changes [11:44] good [11:44] pitti, btw is apport still meant to be running on the livecd? [11:44] seb128: yes, it is [11:44] casper enables it [11:44] for installer crashes, etc [11:45] ok good [11:45] because it does :-) [11:45] I just got 3 crashes in a few minutes testing [11:45] hold the line! things are working! [11:45] hmm -- not all things work then :-( [11:46] 2 of thoses are installation failure when trying to enable sta in jockey [11:47] and one is a desktopcouch crash when trying to open the ubuntuone preference dialog [11:58] finished \o/ 1h55 :/ [11:59] didrocks: done with OTP? [11:59] congrats, 1:55h is a great time for OTPing! [12:00] (if only I knew what OTP is..) [12:00] * pitti hugs didrocks [12:01] * didrocks hugs pitti back [12:01] pitti: it was "on the phone" [12:01] ah [12:01] (with 01net, a French zdnet equivalent with a lot of readers) [12:02] well, at least, the journalist is now informed on what's new in lucid and won't write crack :) [12:03] rickspencer3, seb128: I just created https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-04-27 FYI [12:03] pitti, thanks [12:03] lunch time there [12:03] bbl [12:03] seb128: enjoy [12:03] * [12:04] tseliot, ArneGoetje, bryceh, ccheney, chrisccoulson, didrocks, Riddell, kenvandine, seb128, Nafai: can you please add your report to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-04-27 ? Thank you! [12:05] sure [12:05] pitti, done [12:05] oh, now it will be edit war, I was just going to edit quietly ;) [12:05] cheers [12:06] * bryceh waits for wiki to save [12:06] there we go [12:08] RAOF, TheMuso ^ too [12:09] tseliot: while you are at it, mind replacing the milestone WI link with canonical-desktop-team.html ? [12:09] pitti: I've just saved [12:09] pitti: it's available if you want to edit [12:10] cheers, done === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:28] pitti: I have a crash reported in Xorg.0.log here in one of my VMs but apport does not seem to pick it up. do you have any idea why? upstart reports that apport is running and its enabled=1 n my config [12:28] pitti: could it be the crash handler that xorg itself provides? [12:28] mvo: did it write a /var/crash file? anything in /var/log/apport? [12:29] mvo: we disable apport by default now, though [12:29] ah, you enabled it [12:29] mvo: right, X intercepts its own crashes, it might be possible that it didn't dump core [12:29] or it was an assertion failure [12:29] mvo: checking /var/log/apport.log should help [12:29] * pitti -> lunch [12:29] pitti: ok, enjoy [12:30] bug #570634 [12:30] Launchpad bug 570634 in xorg-server "immediate logout of the gnome session after hardy -> lucid upgrade (inside kvm)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570634 [12:34] mvo, that was the issue you wanted to debug with gnome-session --debug? [12:35] didrocks, it's amazing how much time people can spend on the phone I see ;-) [12:36] seb128: well, TBH, being a little bit sick, it wasn't such a pleasure :p [12:36] didrocks, not feeling better today? [12:36] didrocks, let me know when the article is published somewhere ;-) [12:36] but I'm pleased to see that the journalist wanted real info and no oversight [12:36] seb128: sure [12:36] seb128: not really better. headache now [12:37] :-( [12:37] seb128: yes, that is the one [12:37] but well, don't be afraid, next Tuesday is in one week [12:37] :) [12:37] should be better by then [12:53] seb128: do you happen to know where gdm calls Xorg? where I can add arguments? [12:57] mvo, hum, looking [13:01] mvo, it seems to be coded in the binary [13:02] but maybe pitti has a better clue [13:02] seb128: hm, ok. does it call /usr/bin/Xorg ? [13:02] mvo, /usr/bin/X [13:02] I think [13:04] mvo, " X server: /usr/bin/X" [13:04] in http://launchpadlibrarian.net/44205395/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.gdm_2.30.0-0ubuntu5_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz [13:05] mvo, that's the default value we hack when xorg is not installed at buildtime (which is required to have the real binary detection being working) [13:05] seb128: ok, thanks [13:05] seb128: I will try to see what I can do to get more info out of it === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:28] mvo: hm, so it was a real segfault and should have left something in /var/log/apport.log do you see anything in there? [13:29] pitti: no [13:29] mvo: 28_plymouth_transition.patch and 05_initial_server_on_vt7.patch show the places where the X server is launched, FYI [13:31] pitti: thanks, I tried "DonTrapSignals" in xorg.conf too, no luck, still no core. I suspect its a kvm specific problem anyway so I will just wait for bryce to give me more useful debug hints [13:50] RAOF: I (somehow) fixed f-spot.git === ogra_ is now known as ogra [14:13] is it just me or is nautilus dropping some keypress events? i'm sure i keep having to press the delete key twice to get it to delete a file [14:13] it's you [14:13] I just tried and it worked [14:14] chrisccoulson: seems to work fine here [14:15] chrisccoulson: IIRC, there is an opened about not taking keypress if you are too fast after opening nautilus [14:15] +bug [14:15] didrocks - thanks. perhaps thats my issue then [14:15] chrisccoulson: you see, you are too fast :) [14:16] taking some fresh air, see you later [14:18] didrocks, enjoy [14:19] thanks pitti [14:19] seb128: thanks :) [14:20] pitti, seb128 I thought for the meeting today, you could just touch on any SRUs planned, the status of the release, tell folks to get cracking on blueprints, and let everyone go? [14:20] * kenvandine hears whip cracking noises [14:22] rickspencer3: yeah, let's keep it quick today; I just want to discuss the state of the one remaining WI (well, I can do this off-meeting as well), and check in on the remaining lucid RC bugs [14:22] rickspencer3: you won't be here for the meeting? [14:22] pitti, I will be, but it seems more Lucid related [14:22] so I figure it will easiest for you to drive [14:23] *nod* [14:23] thanks pitti [14:23] seb128: can you take the blueprint part, and I the lucid release status part? [14:31] pitti, ok [14:34] chrisccoulson: do you know about the offline firefox start page not working in french in lucid? is that a translation issue? [14:35] seb128 - i'm not aware of that. is it just displaying in english? [14:35] no, it's displaying the online url and the "error contacting website" webpage [14:35] ie trying to use the online version but failing since there is no online [14:36] the box is a mini10 with no eth cable and by default the wireless is not working due to firmware issue [14:36] the mini10 support is sort of embarassing, wireless not working out of the box [14:36] jockey listing 2 drivers, where the first one is activated correctly but doesn't work [14:37] ie you see network but can't connect [14:37] some driver issue [14:37] so you have to figure to pick the second one [14:37] + the bluetooth dialog list a "enable bluetooth" button [14:37] which turns to be doing nothing [14:37] you can click as much as you want on it without result [14:37] enough ranting there ;-) [14:37] hmmm, so network manager is showing the network as disconnected? [14:38] yes [14:38] there is only a cabled eth listed and no cable [14:38] hmmm, i will try and reproduce [14:38] it does use the offline startpage if I boot in german [14:38] so I guess whatever defines the offline url is broken in french for some reason [14:38] i fixed an issue already with this recently, so i'm a bit confused ;) [14:38] i will try in french anyway ;) [14:39] well I tested on today's iso [14:40] chrisccoulson: is that a translation issue? I think there has been some error in export and lucid doesn't use the current ones, those will be in a stable update next week instead [14:40] possibly, i will try and recreate that in a moment [14:41] oh, i already have french installed [14:42] brb [14:51] seb128 - hmm, i get the offline page, but with untranslated and no layout [14:51] i also don't see the correct layout with the english page though (i didn't realise it was meant to have it until i saw the css file) [14:51] chrisccoulson: I get that too now, not sure if I had something in a weird state to try using jockey before [14:51] so there is something messed up with the documentation [14:52] i'll try and figure that out [14:52] thanks [14:55] seb128 - ok, i can see the issue [14:56] the code which assembles the localised offline URL in ubufox is never actually called [14:59] seb128 - would you mind reporting a bug for that and assigning it to me? [14:59] ok will do [14:59] on ubufox? [14:59] seb128 - yes please [15:00] chrisccoulson: bug #531882? [15:00] Launchpad bug 531882 in ubufox "Default Home Page without style or images on offline mode" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531882 [15:00] thanks [15:01] chrisccoulson: not mine but you're welcome ;-) [15:01] I just looked for open bugs without opening one [15:01] seb128 - ah, ok ;) [15:01] seb128 - mind adding a lucid task to it? [15:02] chrisccoulson: done [15:02] seb128 - thanks [15:02] yw ;-) [15:03] seems you might want to close bug #520425 [15:03] Launchpad bug 520425 in ubuntu-translations "Translate this application still points to firefox-3.6 in Lucid" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/520425 [15:04] ah yes, i'll close that now. thanks [15:08] pitti, upstream got a new gdm version out to fix a build issue btw [15:08] seb128: bah [15:08] I filed a bug and a patch to report it [15:08] you were just fixing it? [15:08] only to see that it was fixed 17 mins ago in git [15:09] :-( [15:09] and now I cherrypicked that patch :) [15:09] * seb128 hugs pitti [15:09] * pitti updates to 2.30.2 then [15:09] pitti, btw if you are still in sru mood you can perhaps do gnome-keyring [15:09] pitti, you can say no if you have other things to do [15:09] seb128: can do; is there a bug? [15:10] seb128: no, it's fine; I need to leave in 5 mins, though, for about an hour [15:10] on the topic of updates, is there a reason gnome-terminal is still on 2.29.6 (other than the fact nobody had time to work on it)? [15:10] not that I know about no [15:10] just lack of interest for it I guess [15:11] pitti, bug, let me check the upstream fixed issues if there is any in launchpad [15:11] do you want me to update that to stable as a SRU? [15:11] chrisccoulson: you are welcome to do so yes ;-) [15:11] cool, thanks. i will do that later then [15:12] if somebody want to do some .1 sru updates too let me know [15:13] pitti, no, no bug for gnome-keyring I can open one and assign to you though [15:13] seb128: please do; thanks! [15:13] np, thank you for doing those updates ;-) [15:15] gdm is quite hairy, that'll require some testing [15:15] * pitti will put into desktop PPA and send a CFT to the bugs [15:16] yeah, I said it's border line [15:16] but some of the fixes seem worth getting in a lts [15:17] ok, I'm off for about an hour [15:19] pitti, see you! [15:43] chrisccoulson: btw do you want to do the g-s-d and g-c-c .1 update in a sru between now and uds if you have a free slot? [15:43] trying to dispatch a bit those updates [15:43] seb128 - yeah, no problem. i can do those [15:43] didrocks will get some too and pitti did some already today [15:43] chrisccoulson: thanks [15:43] i should really do my core-dev application between release and UDS too [15:43] pitti: do you have a opinion on SRU for bug #548534 ? it slipped through the cracks for -final [15:43] Launchpad bug 548534 in software-center "Featured application changes" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548534 [15:44] pitti: I think its fine and prepare a sru with it [15:45] chrisccoulson: would be nice [15:46] mvo, seems fine to me for the record ;-) [15:46] thanks seb128 [15:48] seb128: can you run vinagre real quick? It seems to have reverted to the old tray for me and I just want to make sure it's not me [15:49] jcastro, vinagre doesn't have a notification icon does it? [15:49] jcastro, or you mean vino, ie activating desktop sharing? [15:49] seb128: yeah [15:49] sorry, I mix them up all the time [15:49] jcastro, we never got that change in [15:50] did we? [15:50] let me check [15:50] no we didn't [15:50] oh oh, right right. sorry! [15:50] this is the one ken found was buggy [15:50] np ;-) [15:51] I know there was concerns with the change [15:51] but I'm not the one who did review it [15:51] I just know we didn't get it in shape for lucid [16:32] morning === asac_ is now known as asac [16:34] hi Nafai [16:41] seb128, whats the easiest way to kill gnome-panel and make it not come back atm ? (didnt it use to have an option for that) [16:42] * ogra tries to compare memory footprints with and without panel on armel netbook [16:45] ogra: it stops respawning when you kill it few times if you do it quickly [16:46] heh, i wonder if thats true for the slow ARM board i use it on, but i'll try [16:46] thanks :) [16:46] ogra: can't you desactivate it in gnome-session-properties? [16:47] or just delete both panel [16:47] ah no apparently that's not in session properties [16:47] and you can't delete both panels :) [16:47] damn [16:47] right [16:48] i'll have to modify the defaults anyway to also measure startup times [16:48] but killing multiple times worked [16:48] I think that the "right" approach to disable it for the longer time would be to tinker with gconf settings - there is /desktop/gnome/session/required_components [16:48] only gains me about 8M though [16:48] yep [16:48] i'll do that with a later image, i'll have to switch back to install tests for now [16:49] its just the most convenient time to fiddle with such stuff between two installations :) [16:49] mvo: "bearable" :-) [16:49] mvo: (just commented on the bug) === ara_ is now known as ara === ara is now known as Guest4805 === Guest4805 is now known as ara [17:16] cj: ping [17:27] sshaw: moo [17:27] hi [17:27] so, do you want to pick up where we left off on friday? [17:30] * kenvandine waves [17:30] \o [17:30] rickspencer3: meeting o'clock? [17:31] o/ [17:31] * didrocks waves too [17:31] hi all [17:32] oops [17:32] hi [17:32] dang it [17:32] thanks pitti [17:32] pitti, can you paste the link to the agenda, which I did not touch or look at yet? [17:32] don't worry, everyone's turning hard on the install testing crank anyway :) [17:32] hi [17:32] not that I'm totally unprepared, it's just that I'm totally unprepared [17:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-04-27 [17:33] didrocks is sick I think, I told him to sleep through the meeting to recoup for next week [17:33] hi [17:33] ah, good; I talked him out of continuing to read docs :) [17:33] I will still have a little look, but not being brain-ready ;) [17:33] * tseliot waves [17:33] kenvandine, Nafai, chrisccoulson, seb128 [17:34] tseliot, [17:34] didrocks, rest... rest... [17:34] :) [17:34] let's go [17:34] as discussed earlier, let's keep this short and stay focused on working on Lucid [17:34] I asked pitti to cover current release status, SRUs [17:34] then we'll talk blueprints, UDS briefly [17:34] * rickspencer3 hands mic to pitti [17:35] hey [17:35] ok, folks; congrats to an exemplary http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-desktop-team-ubuntu-10.04.html [17:35] sorry I was out and that took a bit longer than I wanted [17:35] we have exactly one WI left (I did some cleanup), which is bug 496363 [17:35] Launchpad bug 496363 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Installing nvidia kills xorg on non-nvidia systems" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/496363 [17:35] this looks SRUable to me [17:35] pretty important, but not a dealbreaker [17:35] yay [17:35] I'll discuss with tseliot offline [17:36] s/offline/off meeting/ [17:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus [17:36] freshly updated from 15 mins ago (yay prep) [17:36]