=== The_Toxic_Mite is now known as iPing [00:52] hi [00:52] I am kaushal would like to become a member of Ubuntu [00:53] I have achieved migrating windows users to ubuntu users in my organization [00:53] I work for webaroo [00:54] what are the rules which i need to follow ? [00:56] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership [01:29] persia: Thanks === lifeless_ is now known as lifeless [04:17] hello! it this the channel the ubuntu regional board will hold it's meeting today? [04:25] BasicXP: yes, but not for about 6 and a half hours. [04:35] persia: Why isn't it on the Fridge? [04:37] nhandler: Dunno. It used to be there. [04:39] no doubt there'll need to be some appointments to that membership board soonish [04:42] Indeed. The period of nominations is ending soon, and the nominees will be forwarded to the CC. The precise timing of the end of the nomination period depends on my TODO list, but it's likely to be within the next ~8 hours. [04:43] ah, I thought it had closed last week [04:44] It probably officially closed last week, but I haven't forwarded them yet :) [04:44] * persia will soonish. [04:44] right :) [04:44] I hope you have enough nominations for a stable team [04:44] * persia too [04:52] Hrm. Seems we didn't get as many as we'd have liked :( Anyway, nominations really closed now. [04:52] * ajmitch didn't really want to step forward for that [04:54] Not many did, unfortunately. [10:58] * persia peers about [11:02] lifeless: amachu: elky: TheMuso: freeflying: hey! We're on! [11:03] oh, so we are. [11:04] our vict^Wapplicant isn't here though, that I can see anyway. [11:05] been offline for 6hrs now according to nickserv. [11:07] Right. I remember the departure message, and left a hint (a bit too late) about the time, in case logs were checked. [11:07] Ah, will be half an hour late, according to the wiki. [11:07] Maybe we'll have quorum then :) [11:20] Hello! Excuse me for being late [11:21] Is the meeting going now? [11:23] We were waiting for you :) [11:23] * persia goes off to hunt missing board members [11:23] freeflying: Hey. You about? [11:24] Thank you, persia! [11:25] Several folks seem to be offline, unfortunately. [11:25] amachu! [11:25] Hey! [11:25] persia: Hi [11:26] persia: hope, there wasn't a candiate for membership.. [11:26] There is, but BasicXP was also a bit late, so we're all good. [11:26] lifeless is in the process of trading countries, so I think we can excuse him. we only need to find one more though [11:26] We have four. [11:26] we do? [11:26] TheMuso has joined. [11:27] ah. so he did. [11:27] School made it impossible to attend the meeting from the beginning :( [11:27] BasicXP ok! [11:27] BasicXP: No worries. We weren't all here. [11:27] that's ok. pretend the lateness never happened. Introduce yourself :) [11:27] BasicXP: So, why don't you introduce yourself [11:27] My name is Roman [11:27] I was contributing to Launchpad since 2008 [11:28] Translating different projects [11:28] Later, I was accepted into Russian LoCo and began my work there [11:28] Doing most of the work in summer [11:28] That's in short the "biography" of myself. [11:29] Is there abything I should tell more about? [11:29] * anything [11:30] BasicXP: What sort of work have you been doing in the LoCo? [11:31] Mostly translation of the operating system, tried to organize the Moscow LoCo. Also partly responsible for bug tracking and Wikipedia editing. [11:32] BasicXP: Wikipedia editing? [11:32] Yeah, that includes grammar correction and translation. [11:32] http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_Linux ? [11:32] I'm meaning both wiki.ubuntu.com and help.ubuntu.ru (Russian WiKi) [11:33] Mostly the second one [11:33] Ah, wiki not wikipedia. [11:33] And I did make a change or two to the Wikipedia's page [11:33] Oh sorry. "Wikipedia" - my fault [11:34] That's ok, we figured it out. [11:36] BasicXP: Did you bring anyone to cheer for you today? [11:36] Not now, but if you give me a minute or two I'll try to reach one of my colleagues [11:37] Sure :) [11:39] Waiting for his answer... [11:41] While waiting, may I ask you a question? [11:41] Sure. [11:42] How active should I be to be an Ubuntu Member? I mean what activities should I've been doing before to qualify? [11:43] You can be active anywhere directly within the ubuntu community. We like to see several months of activity, not just a few weeks. The idea is "significant and sustained" [11:44] What you do doesn't matter. That said, you should have been active within the Ubuntu community in a visible way, that your peers see as significant, and have been doing this in a sustained manner. There's no firm timeframe, but most successful applicants have at least two months, and often six months or more of active contributions to demonstrate this. [11:45] Okay. Is the activity I had enough to qualify? [11:46] BasicXP: That's what we're looking at :) [11:46] there should have been continous activity (properly tracked to make things easier for us) any where, for Ubuntu [11:47] got off for a while due to power shut down.. === amachu_ is now known as amachu [11:47] Well just the point, that I had most activity in summer, makes me concerned. [11:47] BasicXP: So one thing that's confusing me is that you seem to be fairly active in translations, but LP is only telling me about the last couple week's work (and you joined the translations team nearly a year ago, so I presume there's more). Any idea where I can find it? [11:48] Most of the work was done from april 2008. I was told that history gets cleared each amount of time and karma gets lower [11:48] Because i remembered to have a screenshot where i had it around 3000 or so [11:49] Oh lovely. That makes it very easy for us. [11:49] * persia takes a note to file a bug [11:50] BasicXP: So, the work on help.ubuntu.ru looks like a fair bit, your translations history was annoyingly scrubbed. Your answers/bugs history is of mixed value (not so much successful triage or questions considered answered). [11:50] BasicXP: Is there a place where we could find a link on your contributions to Russian Ubuntu Wiki.. [11:50] BasicXP, is it possible to see that screenshot? [11:51] I'm afraid I deleted that one a long time ago :( [11:51] Speaking personally, I'd like to see some testimonials on your wiki page from other folks to confirm you've done lots, and they consider you an important part of Ubuntu. [11:51] BasicXP: I am looking forward to know, how many help pages you would have written etc., [11:51] amachu: I'm mostly translating pages, not writing them [11:52] * persia definitely sees evidence of activity in team meetings [11:52] BasicXP: fine.. how many of them have you done roughly etc., [11:53] umm... i didn't do much translation on wiki maybe about just 5, i did most work in launchpad [11:54] BasicXP: the rosetta translations are your main contributions. am I right? [11:54] yes [11:54] BasicXP: has anyone turned out now to support you? [11:54] Yes, here is Agafonov1. He may probably support me. [11:55] Hi! [11:55] I'm from Russian LoCo [11:55] TheMuso: listening? [11:55] amachu: yes [11:56] TheMuso: ok.. [11:57] Hrm we are almost out of time. [11:58] Agafonov1: are you continuing? [11:58] BasicXP: helped us mostly during meetings to shape our internal tasks and processes, he help to work with translation bugs a lot accepting them via email from our testing community. [11:58] As far as I know he made some transltations in rosetta [12:00] currently we are talking about further activity [12:00] Agafonov1: how continuos were they & would you cheer BasicXP for a membership? [12:00] because he wants to help more [12:01] persia: TheMuso: elky: Shall we take up voting? [12:01] Sure. [12:01] Sure. [12:01] yep [12:02] err, i'm too slow on writing :( [12:02] yes [12:02] Agafonov1, you have more to say? [12:03] go on, thanks [12:04] * persia is pointed at https://translations.launchpad.net/~basicxp/+activity by the helpful folks in #launchpad [12:04] mmm, you may continue I meant :) [12:05] persia, ok wow. thanks [12:05] persia, and why on earth do they hide that? [12:05] Saves DB query time, I suspect. [12:06] persia, i can understand not for default view, but... a link is too much to ask? [12:06] It's behind the "See all" link at https://translations.launchpad.net/people/+me [12:06] ah [12:06] We just didn't see the link because it's on the lower right. [12:07] Oh, So it is. [12:08] Ok so shall we vote? [12:08] Ok, ready to vote now? [12:08] * persia is still ready [12:08] +1 from me [12:09] +1 from me: good work with Loco, long history of translations [12:09] +1 from me too.. Plea update the wiki page to make understanding easier.. [12:09] Agafonov1: you can also add you testimonials there.. [12:10] +1 from me. [12:10] amachu: ok [12:10] unanimous! [12:10] BasicXP: Congratulations! [12:10] great! Welcome BasicXP ! [12:10] Thank you very much! [12:10] Thanks! [12:10] I really appreciate this. [12:11] We appreciate your help. [12:11] Your welcome! [12:11] Sorry it took so long: please do update your wiki page to make it easier for folks to understand what you do. [12:12] okay [12:12] persia: though this is not in Agenda, I wasn't following closely the thread by Daniel Holbach on our extension.. [12:12] saw you reply to that on nominations, what were they? [12:12] We only had four, we need more. [12:13] four in the sense? I need to look at archives to understand that really... [12:15] amachu, are you going to run? [12:16] elky: nope.. but I wish the resposibility of Secretary to be taken up by some one else.. [12:17] elky: but.. since I didn't follow that thread closely, I wanted to ask.. [12:17] May I leave now or there is something I should say/do first? [12:17] BasicXP, you're free to go. [12:17] BasicXP: you can.. nothing pending from your end, that to keep up your good work... [12:18] Thank you very much once more! I'll keep improving. Good bye! [12:18] But do make sure your wiki is improved before sunday when the next UWN will go out. Otherwise people won't know what you got approved for ;) [12:18] Okay sure, elky. Is there any place I can look up the IRC log? [12:18] !logs [12:18] Official channel logs can be found at http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/ - For LoCo channels, http://logs.ubuntu-eu.org/freenode/ [12:19] the first link ^^ [12:19] Thank you! [12:19] * BasicXP is editing his Wiki page now. [12:21] persia: elky: TheMuso: Are we discussing something else, or shall we take it up in the list? [12:21] Do we have anything else to discuss? [12:21] Just how should I edit the wiki page? [12:21] Anyone who wants to remain on the board ought nominate themselves, or convince someone else to nominate them. [12:21] Afaik the discussion was about nominations. I don't intend to run for board membership again either. [12:22] I'm willing to run, I just kept forgetting to nominate myself [12:22] elky: me too.. [12:22] Should I add another block like "Ubuntu Membership" or add information to the existing ones? [12:23] but I want some one else to take up the Secretary role :-) [12:23] TheMuso: Oh! [12:24] BasicXP, look at other people's profile wikis on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania and fix your own up to be more like theirs. [12:24] Thanks elky! [12:25] amachu, we'll sort out the secretary thing later. [12:25] elky: sure [12:26] if there isn't any thing else, we shall quit [12:26] nothing from me [12:28] ok.. thank you every one for participating.. [12:28] amachu, you're nominated now :P [12:28] bye bye.. [12:28] elky: and you nominated? [12:29] amachu, i figured that's how you could thank me :) [12:29] heh :) [12:29] * persia cancels a mail mid-composition [12:29] elky: thank you sooooooooooo much! ;-) [12:29] Heh [12:29] bye all! [12:29] And one more question, may I? [12:30] BasicXP, sure. [12:30] Is there an amount of time when I should renew my membership? [12:30] two years [12:30] BasicXP, you'll get a reminder from launchpad when it happens [12:30] Okay, so it will be around april 2012, right? [12:31] yes [12:31] Okay got it. Thank you! [12:37] Will this be OK except for the testimonials: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicXP ? [12:40] elky: Is this OK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BasicXP ? [12:41] BasicXP: Extra points for finding a way to link to your wiki work, but yes. [12:41] BasicXP, you could list the main applications you've translated, some links to wiki pages you translated. The problem is when people have to go find all this info. Be more verbose with your descriptions :) [12:41] You may also want to link to your work in Answers. [12:42] Okay, let's see... [12:58] I put all the general kinks I knew, no exact ones on wikipedia [12:58] * wiki [12:59] * links * [13:00] Thanks. [13:01] Well I'm going now. Good bye! [13:01] #startmeeting [13:01] Meeting started at 07:01. The chair is NCommander. [13:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [13:01] persia: sorry, just back [13:01] NCommander: It's 12:00 UTC. Didn't you mean to start at 13:00? [13:01] freeflying, that's ok, we managed [13:01] freeflying: Too late now :) [13:01] * asac waves [13:02] elky: persia thx :) [13:02] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427 [13:02] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427 [13:03] who's here? [13:03] me! [13:03] * persia points at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2010-April/002726.html extra hard to justify the answer "nobody" [13:03] Y'all are starting too early. [13:03] ogra: plars: dyfet: GrueMaster: JamieBen1ett: ping [13:03] o/ [13:03] pong [13:03] great ;) [13:04] So hang out quietly for an hour, and there will be a meeting. [13:04] heh [13:05] persia: ? [13:05] ok [13:05] wait, I'm an hour off? [13:05] sorry for the mix up ;) [13:05] asac: It's 12:00 UTC. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-mobile/2010-April/002726.html says 13:00 UTC. [13:05] NCommander: yeah. we both are [13:05] NCommander: so #endmeeting and lets meet again ;) [13:05] * NCommander blinks [13:05] #endmeeting [13:05] Meeting finished at 07:05. [13:05] RIght then. [13:08] hi [13:08] yeah, not time yet :) === JamieBen1ett is now known as JamieBennett [14:00] #startmeeting [14:00] Meeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander. [14:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [14:00] [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427 [14:00] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100427 [14:00] * GrueMaster snorts [14:00] * JamieBennett is here [14:01] * NCommander beats people alive [14:01] is alive [14:01] [topic] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades. [14:01] New Topic: dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades. [14:01] er [14:01] [topic] Action Item Reviews [14:01] New Topic: Action Item Reviews [14:01] [topic] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades. [14:01] New Topic: dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades. [14:01] roll call first ? [14:02] here [14:02] ok, whos' here? [14:02] would be nice to ping everyone :) [14:02] now i am here ;) [14:02] Well, I was able to do a full upgrade from karmic to lucid on arm, no surprises happened [14:02] everyone: ping [14:02] * NCommander runs [14:02] asac, again eh ? :) [14:02] heh [14:02] yeah [14:02] *giggle* [14:02] * cooloney waves to everyone [14:02] dyfet: Using update-manager? [14:02] dyfet: that wasnt the idea i think [14:02] GrueMaster: JamieBennett, ericm|ubuntu ping? [14:02] yes [14:03] yep [14:03] * GrueMaster already snorted [14:03] dyfet: the idea was afaik to see if the checks for armv5/v6 are in place [14:03] NCommander: I've already said I'm here ^ ;) [14:03] that I did not see... [14:03] asac: Oh, so one would fail-to-upgrade if it wasn't ARMv7a? [14:03] dyfet, you should *not* be able to do an upgrade in case you have non v7 HW [14:04] persia: yes. thats the idea. refuse to upgrade rather than fail imo [14:04] dyfet: Do you have non v7 hardware on which you can test this? [14:04] no [14:04] persia: code sanity check was the idea [14:04] indeed your upgrade succeeds if you do it on v7 HW [14:04] but I can test in an old qemu... [14:04] dyfet: ^^ [14:04] the point was to do it on something karmic ran on but lucid wont run on [14:04] at least as a start ... real live confirm: even better [14:04] i.e. the older doves [14:05] yes, thats right. but first step was to idenficy if those checks exist in code and if they are theoretically right :) [14:05] and i'm very sure we dont have the check in place the question was what do we need to change in u-m [14:05] so instead of an upgrade you should justz have looked at the code [14:05] so i guess we can still SRU this ...even if its a bit late ;) [14:05] ogra: ah ;) [14:05] asac, no idea, ask mvo [14:05] NCommander: carry forward [14:05] i'm sure he'll love us [14:05] :) [14:05] [topic] GrueMaster to determine what bugs that are good candidates to be fixed for lucid release [14:05] New Topic: GrueMaster to determine what bugs that are good candidates to be fixed for lucid release [14:06] GrueMaster, thanks for the list ! [14:06] Email sent. Some bugs fixed. [14:06] NCommander: give dyfet the action to do verify that code has checks and that they are proper [14:06] the heavy ones aere fixed [14:06] etc [14:06] ogra, asac: sru is no problem, but you will need to help with the verification, I don't have anything like a arm [14:06] mvo: right. [14:07] [actopnm] dyfet to verify ARMv7 upgrade checks [14:07] wow [14:07] [action] dyfet to verify ARMv7 upgrade checks [14:07] ACTION received: dyfet to verify ARMv7 upgrade checks [14:07] thx [14:07] * NCommander is really running blahhhhhhhhhhh [14:08] ok more actions ? ;) [14:08] [topic] NCommander, GrueMaster, plars, ogra to test firefox on new images [14:08] New Topic: NCommander, GrueMaster, plars, ogra to test firefox on new images [14:08] tested ok. [14:09] do we have the new one? [14:09] scroll bar issues all resolved now? [14:09] Well, asac's ppa release. [14:10] GrueMaster: it fixed the scroll bar issue? [14:10] yes [14:10] it did ... at least from me ;) [14:10] great [14:10] for me [14:10] please verify anyway on real image [14:10] if its still in there we need to go back to zero ;) [14:10] Did it get pushed into main? [14:10] [ACTION] NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new images [14:10] GrueMaster: yes. === ogra_ is now known as ogra [14:11] GrueMaster: should be all in normal archive [14:11] * ogra grumbles [14:11] Then it will get tested as part of the release testing. [14:11] heh [14:11] ok [14:11] arent you doing release testing already? [14:11] oh, i can test that right now ... one sec [14:11] thought we shoud start testing before we cant fix anything anymore ;) [14:11] I just woke up. [14:11] heh [14:11] [topic] NCommander to give debdiff to {ogra|asac} for fixing libgphoto FTBFS [14:11] New Topic: NCommander to give debdiff to {ogra|asac} for fixing libgphoto FTBFS [14:12] * persia suspects we already can't fix anything anymore, based on traffic in -testing [14:12] [ACTION] NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image [14:12] done [14:12] ACTION received: NCommander, plars, ogra to test firefox on new image [14:12] NCommander: that action was done iirc? [14:12] gphoto? [14:12] asac: gphoto should be out of FTBFS and fixed [14:12] uploaded and fixed [14:12] [topic] NCommander to work with plars, GrueMaster and ericm on dove suspend/resume [14:12] yep [14:12] New Topic: NCommander to work with plars, GrueMaster and ericm on dove suspend/resume [14:12] Dove suspend/resume works on X0 as far as I know [14:12] seems to be fixed in the latest release... I had one hiccup with it, but putting my uboot to current levels seemed to clear it up [14:13] asac, i see no scrollbars on yahoo.de [14:13] Tested suspend/resume on dove both manually and with a script that repeats. Both worked ok. Only issue (known) is suspending with an SD card inserted fails. [14:13] seems fine [14:14] [topic] asac/ogra to fix -omap driver to check for /dev/fb0 too if /dev/fb isnt avail [14:14] New Topic: asac/ogra to fix -omap driver to check for /dev/fb0 too if /dev/fb isnt avail [14:14] The SD card issue is not arch specific. [14:14] NCommander, fixed [14:14] [topic] persia and NCommander to remove evolution from ubuntu-netbook images [14:14] New Topic: persia and NCommander to remove evolution from ubuntu-netbook images [14:14] GrueMaster, and also we don't have any appropriate fix in upstream so far [14:15] ericm|ubuntu: correct. [14:15] failed [14:15] I figured out how to do that, but the release team pointed out that if this had been a release-critical bug, it would have been fixed long ago, and didn't accept the change. [14:15] :( [14:15] yeah, was to late [14:15] and SRU doesnt work here [14:15] Part of the problem is we didn't have the webmail client until RC. [14:15] ogra: And thanks to you for helping the defence before the release team. [14:16] GrueMaster: right. [14:16] heh, didnt help much though [14:16] problem was that stevenk did this reseeding etc. as a side job [14:16] so it slipped through [14:16] yeah, lets blame him ! [14:16] of course [14:16] works for me. :P [14:16] :) [14:16] i am surely not to blame :-P [14:16] * persia really thinks folks should just do their own seed changes rather than poking other folks to do them. [14:17] persia: he had the meta seed responsibility this cycle [14:17] persia: considering that its a pain to change the seeds then get something to merge them, sometimes its a LOT easier to get someone else to do it [14:17] persia, pfft, seeeds we can fix them after RC [14:17] besides from that he didnt have any stuff ;) ... [14:17] Yes, my point is that assigning someone responsibility like that is an invitation to process failure. [14:17] NCommander: pain is relative. [14:17] i dont buy this ... i think it was just an oversight [14:17] well, its over now ... lets stop whining [14:17] he was clearly aware that it was a replacement [14:18] yep [14:18] persia: He was the designated seedling for mobile since I started. [14:18] so all fine ... lets start moving [14:18] also changing seeds requires meta upload etc. [14:18] he was the best to do that [14:18] as he did all the meta/seed changes etc ;) [14:18] anyway. i take the blame ... just so its official [14:18] [topic] asac and JamieBennett to take email client category discussion offline and report back [14:18] New Topic: asac and JamieBennett to take email client category discussion offline and report back [14:19] NCommander: scratch that [14:19] no need to discuss further ;) [14:19] nothing happened here but I think its personal preference [14:19] [topic] Current Items [14:19] New Topic: Current Items [14:19] [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [14:19] LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html [14:19] geez ! [14:19] we'Re deep red [14:20] (does anyone care at that point of release though) [14:20] Yes. [14:20] * ogra suspects we'll flush it anyway this week [14:20] The todo stuff is mostly documentation, and needs doing badly [14:20]