[00:07] <chrisccoulson> micahg - is it mainly hardy porting you're involved with at the moment?
[00:07] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yes
[00:08] <micahg> chrisccoulson: just wondering if there's anything else for Lucid that's needed as we're down to the wire
[00:08] <chrisccoulson> so, that's fairly important, but i'm not sure what progress has been made with all of that just yet
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> the only outstanding item for lucid really is lightning, but i'm still not sure whether removing it is the best way to proceed
[00:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not as much as I would have hoped, I have 6 out of 16 done.
[00:09] <micahg> chrisccoulson: are you sure that we can upload Seamonkey tomrorow?
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> we'll need to have a catch-up tomorrow possibly so i can get a feel for what else needs doing. i'm looking at epiphany atm for hardy
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> yeah, seamonkey is next on my list
[00:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, the only thing blocking Firefox ATM is cairo patch for hardy
[00:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - that's fixed already
[00:10] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what do you mean?
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> the cairo patch didn't build on hardy did it?
[00:11] <micahg> I mean for Firefox 3.6 in Hardy
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah
[00:11] <micahg> I think it's due to a cairo API change
[00:11] <chrisccoulson> the cairo patch we have in lucid needed a small change so that it builds on hardy too
[00:12] <chrisccoulson> but i've done that already
[00:12] <micahg> chrisccoulson: where?
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> micahg - http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/firefox-3.6.head/revision/587
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> and also the mozilla-kde patch introduces a change which bumps the minimum gtk requirement to 2.14 (which is newer than hardy)
[00:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: great, I'll apply that and get firefox-stable up to date tonight
[00:13] <chrisccoulson> but i've got a local fix for that already too
[00:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, do you want to backport the KDE fix, the kmozillahelper is only in Lucid
[00:14] <chrisccoulson> i suppose we don't really need to backport the change for hardy
[00:14] <micahg> chrisccoulson: well, this is also for Jaunty and eventually karmic
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> that's ok, they both have a new enough gtk version
[00:15] <chrisccoulson> hardy is on 2.12 though
[00:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: right, well, I would think it raises the possibility of a regression if we backport the kde patch, wouldn't it?
[00:17] <micahg> also, I've been dropping the patch for the firefox-stable PPA
[00:17] <chrisccoulson> thats probably the case when we backport most things ;)
[00:17] <chrisccoulson> but, yeah, we probably don't need that patch in hardy
[00:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: so, unless you need me to work on lightning tonight, I'll go back to porting
[00:19] <chrisccoulson> if you don't think you could have lightning ready for tomorrow, then porting would probably be a better use of resource right now
[00:20] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I could probably, but I can't promise
[01:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is there a final call on sunbird?
[01:55] <asac> chrisccoulson: its beneficial to backport that patch to hardy api anyway as that is what mozilla will want when upstreaming ... of course we can do that when upstreaming ;)
[05:32] <micahg> rickspencer3: is there a deadline for blueprints?
[05:34] <rickspencer3> micahg, not really
[05:34] <rickspencer3> but if they are done by early next week, will be easier for me to schedule
[05:35] <micahg> rickspencer3: k, I have an idea for browser triage, but won't have time to write it up at least until next week
[05:35] <rickspencer3> micahg, ok
[05:35] <rickspencer3> go ahead and register it
[05:35] <rickspencer3> and you can fill in the details later
[05:35] <micahg> rickspencer3: ok
[05:35] <rickspencer3> micahg, will you be there?
[05:35] <micahg> rickspencer3: yep
[05:35] <rickspencer3> of remote?
[05:35] <rickspencer3> sweet!
[05:35] <rickspencer3> looking forward to meeting you
[05:36] <micahg> rickspencer3: I'm looking forward to meeting you as well
[05:38] <rickspencer3> micahg, did you see the instructions for registering?
[05:38]  * rickspencer3 digs up
[05:38] <micahg> rickspencer3: yep, saw your dent about the video
[05:38] <rickspencer3> micahg, ok, sweet
[05:38] <micahg> then saw that it's all on the wiki :)
[05:38] <rickspencer3> ok ;)
[05:38]  * rickspencer3 off to watch tv with wife
[05:39] <rickspencer3> g'night!
[05:39] <micahg> rickspencer3: night
[08:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson_: seamonkey doesn't upgrade right now, I think we should skip the gnome replace stuff and SRU if we need to
[08:46] <BUGabundo_remote> Drop your fears and wave guud morning to the World! \m/
[08:46] <micahg> BUGabundo_remote: I have too many fears :)
[08:47] <BUGabundo_remote> no you don't
[11:59] <gnomefreak> ok seems firefox is broken again
[12:01] <gnomefreak> and seamonkey
[12:04] <gnomefreak> can someone test ctrl+alt++ to make page bigger. mine isnt working
[12:14] <gnomefreak> firefox-bin is using >50% CPU i get the feeling it is broken
[12:15] <gnomefreak> 3.7 is same
[12:38] <gnomefreak> asac: are you on holiday? havent seen you in a while
[12:39] <asac> gnomefreak: i am here ;)
[12:40] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:40] <asac> but kinda on workiday ;)
[12:41]  * gnomefreak going through seamonkey revisions, since it is broken
[12:46]  * gnomefreak be back im guessing by moving gnome components is what is causing it to fail upgrade. but need smoke atm
[12:51] <gnomefreak> asac: is it the MPL that makes us use unbranded for pre-release, I know it is a Mozilla "rule" but i dont recall where it is stated.
[12:51] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: i gave you the wrong irc server it is .org
[12:54] <DASPRiD> i know :)
[13:01] <gnomefreak> !info openbravo-erp
[13:01] <gnomefreak> and yet i keep being told it is
[13:02] <gnomefreak> !info openbravo-erp-openjdk
[13:16] <gnomefreak> be back tb is really starting to piss me off now
[13:26] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: is your last commit to SM2 going to fix the upgrade bug?
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak - most probably. i'm just rebuilding and testing again though
[13:26] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: ok thanks
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> i really need to get this in today :-/
[13:27] <chrisccoulson> i need a fast build machine ;)
[13:27] <gnomefreak> PPA not fast enough?
[13:28] <gnomefreak> Sm is huge and took forever to build here too
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, there's often a delay with the PPA's, so they end up taking longer
[13:34] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: good point
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> i don't know how long sm2 took to build this morning, as i left it running whilst i went to the optician
[13:35] <chrisccoulson> hopefully this will be the final iteration anyway, and then i can just upload ;)
[13:36] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, do you know why the mozilla-* transitional packages have been dropped?
[13:38] <chrisccoulson> oh
[13:38] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: i thought they are still there
[13:38] <gnomefreak> but the name uses unversioned so it most likely a side affect to useing same name
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> it's ok to drop those actually, they have been transitional packages since hardy
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> so they were only useful for dapper -> hardy upgrades
[13:39] <gnomefreak> right
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> so they could have been dropped several cycles ago really
[13:39] <chrisccoulson> ok, thats good then
[13:39] <gnomefreak> Hardy->Lucid no problem?
[13:40] <chrisccoulson> yeah, hardy-->lucid is no issue, as the transitional packages in hardy already pull in the proper packages
[13:49] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: ok cool
[14:03] <gnomefreak> ok running ISO updates i willl be gone for ~1 hour or so.
[14:27]  * chrisccoulson tries upgrading seamonkey again
[14:29] <chrisccoulson> yay, success \o/
[16:20] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you get sm2 in the archive? or did that happen yet?
[16:25] <chrisccoulson> asac - it will happen in the next few minutes as long as i don't find any more problems
[16:26] <asac> heh
[16:26] <asac> cool
[16:26] <asac> that rocks
[16:26] <asac> survival of the fittest
[16:27] <fta> is anyone still using sm?
[16:28] <fta> hm, 0.76%
[16:30] <fta> well, 0.76% installed, but 3 out of 11691 used it in the last 30 days :P
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> heh
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> stats
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> <3
[16:33] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm reading http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/04/27/admob-the-original-iphone-is-dead-android-becoming-increasingly-diversified/
[16:34] <chrisccoulson> asac - ok, that's uploading now (will be about 6 minutes or so)
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> asac - uploaded now
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> micahg ^^
[16:53] <chrisccoulson> thanks for working on it btw :)
[16:53] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm glad something got in :)
[16:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sorry about sunbird, I tried last night and for some reason, I couldn't get it to build, I looked at the debian build and couldn't see what's different
[16:55] <chrisccoulson> micahg - don't worry about that
[17:09] <gnomefreak> it takes a while to connect to debian servers and join the channel
[17:09] <gnomefreak> well OFTC at least
[17:09] <micahg> gnomefreak: sorry, but I think we missed Sunbird
[17:10] <gnomefreak> micahg: thats ok i will update bugs, i was going to go through and close any sunbird bugs that we wont fix
[17:10] <gnomefreak> micahg: any chance when you get spare time to at least set it up for PPA? Wait we are not getting lightning either?
[17:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: k, lightning I'll shoot for early in Maverick and try to backport
[17:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: not for release
[17:11]  * gnomefreak thinks that should fit under SUR at least
[17:11] <gnomefreak> SRU
[17:11] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, that depends if we drop the source or not
[17:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can we drop the sunbird binary and then SRU lightning?
[17:12] <gnomefreak> dropping sunbird is going to be a question on the SRU
[17:12] <gnomefreak> as i recall we can not remove sources from stable releases
[17:13] <gnomefreak> we only have what 2 days to do it in
[17:14] <micahg> gnomefreak: right, so we need to drop it now
[17:14] <micahg> the question is can we drop part of a pacakge?
[17:14] <gnomefreak> well that im not sure of because changing source that much may not be allowed this late
[17:15] <micahg> rickspencer3: here's the blueprint I made BTW: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-maverick-browser-apport/
[17:15] <rickspencer3> micahg, kewl
[17:16] <rickspencer3> micahg, I accepted it for UDS
[17:16] <micahg> rickspencer3: awesome, so what did I get myself on the hook for this time?
[17:16] <rickspencer3> and I set you as drafter and chrisccoulson as approover
[17:17] <rickspencer3> micahg, well, we won't know until late next week at the earliest
[17:17] <gnomefreak> I thought we had to have debugging syms. and non-free doesnt ship them
[17:17] <rickspencer3> are you at UDS for all 5 days, any day better or worse for you?
[17:17] <gnomefreak> that is for flash, that is why those crashes never collect info
[17:17] <micahg> rickspencer3: k, not really as long as it's not near the end on Friday
[17:18] <micahg> rickspencer3: sorry, yes to your first question, second question ^^^
[17:19] <rickspencer3> thanks micahg
[17:19] <rickspencer3> stay tuned
[17:19] <micahg> rickspencer3: k, thank you
[17:19] <rickspencer3> and don't forget to fill in a sufficient summary to facilitate good feedback from people who aren't there
[17:19] <micahg> rickspencer3: do I need to fill in more info before UDS?
[17:19] <rickspencer3> hehe
[17:19] <rickspencer3> yes ;)
[17:19]  * gnomefreak wonders how chris' build is going :)
[17:19] <micahg> rickspencer3: k
[17:19]  * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises
[17:20] <micahg> heh
[17:21] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak, it's uploaded already ;)
[17:21] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: cool thanks. did you happen to push it to daily builds?
[17:22] <gnomefreak> stable version is more important for users
[17:24] <gnomefreak> oh Zamboni is a site or blog from what i can tell
[17:24] <gnomefreak> add-ons
[17:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: ill be in and out over the next week or so, can you please keep me updated on sunbird-lightning so i can update bug reports once we know
[17:35] <micahg> gnomefreak: k
[17:35] <gnomefreak> thanks
[17:36] <gnomefreak> !info hplip-gui
[17:36] <micahg> gnomefreak: I don't know if you should dupe sunbird bugs to lightning bugs
[17:37] <gnomefreak> micahg: that bug was being closed sincce it was only sunbird no mention of lightning
[17:39] <gnomefreak> micahg: and most of them use lightning-sunbird as source package
[17:39] <micahg> gnomefreak: right, but sunbird should probably just be closed with a note of the lightning upgrade #
[17:40] <gnomefreak> like i did first :(
[17:40] <gnomefreak> i can unmark it when i get there
[17:45] <gnomefreak> micahg: fixed
[17:54]  * gnomefreak doesnt want KDE/qt packages if i can avoid them
[21:28] <gnomefreak> micahg: or whoever is playing with firefox builds please see bug 512937  there are a bunch of them just i havent had a chance to look for them, but i would say this i a big problem
[21:29] <gnomefreak> ah hes finding them
[21:31] <micahg> gnomefreak: ?
[21:31] <gnomefreak> the fail to install upgrade
[21:32] <gnomefreak> oh upgrade tpo lucid
[21:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: please make sure they are the same cause
[21:33] <gnomefreak> micahg: i will, ok if i do it in the morning?
[21:33] <micahg> gnomefreak: sure, it's too late now to change anyways unless aboslutely critical
[21:33] <gnomefreak> compiz bug took me for a ride today (helping someone find it and such)
[21:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: does the release team know about Seamonkey?
[21:35] <chrisccoulson> micahg - they generally check the queue frequently. had you already mentioned it to anyone on the release team?
[21:35] <micahg> chrisccoulson: not today yet, but the builders are idle
[21:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg - oh, ok. might be good to ping somebody. i'm looking at some other things atm though
[21:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, np
[22:13] <gnomefreak> anyone speak spanish? i could use a translation
[22:13] <micahg> gnomefreak: yo hablo espanol :)
[22:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: cool :) i have a feeling it is the same error but let me know
[22:14] <gnomefreak> micahg: damn sorry nevermind
[22:14] <gnomefreak> update-alternatives: error: il percorso alternativo /usr/bin/firefox non esiste.
[22:14] <gnomefreak> dpkg: errore nell'elaborare firefox (--configure): il sottoprocesso vecchio script di post-installation ha restituito lo stato di errore 2
[22:14] <gnomefreak> same error by the looks of it
[22:15] <micahg> gnomefreak: I thought we fixed all those
[22:15] <gnomefreak> alternative doesnt exsist
[22:15] <gnomefreak> micahg: not from what im looking at but i am asking anyway :)
[22:15] <gnomefreak> see bug 512937
[22:15] <micahg> gnomefreak: well, it'll only show up on upgrade
[22:16] <gnomefreak> i found one bug from a daily package but removed as a duplicate since they are updated without the official
[22:16] <micahg> gnomefreak: looks like we didn't have a firefox link in the package
[22:17] <gnomefreak> correct from what i can see IIRC its just the .links file that needs it
[22:18] <micahg> gnomefreak: no, it's actually shipped in hardy, karmic, and lucid
[22:18] <gnomefreak> oh
[22:19] <micahg> we're shipping a bad file though in lucid which I'll have to fix in the next update
[22:20] <micahg> it's not linked anywhere so it won't hurt anything
[22:21] <gnomefreak> micahg: ok. do you want the daily packages with the official ones (same bug)
[22:21] <chrisccoulson> asac - i've been looking at bug 531882 this evening. it seems that the about handler doesn't allow relative URI's (and the css is specified in the start page as a relative path). do you think that's possible to override in ubufox (i can't find a way), or should we specify full paths to the css in ubuntu-docs?
[22:21] <gnomefreak> assuming you will update the same time for both
[22:22] <micahg> gnomefreak: it seems like I'll have to test in a Karmic VM
[22:22] <gnomefreak> k
[22:23] <gnomefreak> shit i lost a bug :(
[22:23] <micahg> gnomefreak: ?
[22:23] <gnomefreak> a bug #
[22:23] <gnomefreak> looking for it
[22:26] <DASPRiD> gnomefreak, did you look in your pocket?
[22:27] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: i found it thanks. it was right where you said
[22:27] <DASPRiD> heh
[22:27] <gnomefreak> :) long day taking its toll
[22:27] <DASPRiD> toll? the german word "toll"?
[22:28] <gnomefreak> nope
[22:29] <gnomefreak> micahg: im noticing something 2 dailies and 2 official packages :)
[22:29] <micahg> gnomefreak: specific versions?
[22:29] <gnomefreak> hold on a sec
[22:29] <DASPRiD> so, to continue thing from before: we'd like rolling branded releases of mozilla products in ubuntu :)
[22:29] <micahg> DASPRiD: that's already planned
[22:30] <DASPRiD> oh :x
[22:30] <DASPRiD> now that's great :)
[22:30] <micahg> DASPRiD: but major versions probably won't be upgraded in archive until the branch is close to EOL
[22:30] <micahg> DASPRiD: but we have firefox-stable for that
[22:30] <gnomefreak> 3.6.4~hg20100410r34032 nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1  3.6.5~hg20100416r34082 nobinonly-0ubuntu1~umd1~karmic 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu4~mfs~karmic1 3.6+nobinonly-0ubuntu1
[22:30] <DASPRiD> but that 3.6 one is unbranded right?
[22:30] <gnomefreak> those are the 4 versions found at this time. i will look for rest tomorrow.
[22:30] <micahg> DASPRiD: not in firefox-stable
[22:31] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: only daily is
[22:31] <DASPRiD> thats my point :)
[22:31] <micahg> DASPRiD: dailies can't be branded
[22:31] <micahg> DASPRiD: latest released version will be made available in a branded form
[22:31] <micahg> *full release
[22:31] <DASPRiD> full release = released on mozilla.org?
[22:32] <micahg> DASPRiD: full release = not a alpha, beta, or RC
[22:32] <DASPRiD> so when 3.6 is in lucid, we will get 3.7?
[22:32] <DASPRiD> (when it is final)
[22:32] <micahg> DASPRiD: no, 3.7 will hit lucid when 3.6 is EOL or close to it
[22:33] <micahg> DASPRiD: when 3.7 is final, we'll upgrade firefox-stable PPA to it though
[22:33] <DASPRiD> is hte firefox-stable ppa branded?
[22:33] <micahg> DASPRiD: yes
[22:33] <DASPRiD> thanks, that was my point :)
[22:33] <gnomefreak> ok im out. i saved the ones marked as dups and will continue tomorrow
[22:33] <DASPRiD> so the firefox-stable ppa is the rolling release repos for firefox :)
[22:33]  * gnomefreak tried to explain it was against mozilla "rules" to use official branding for non released
[22:34] <gnomefreak> DASPRiD: for <Lucid atm
[22:34] <DASPRiD> gnomefreak, i was never talkng about alpha/beta/rc :)
[22:34] <micahg> DASPRiD: yes, but archive will be also to some extent
[22:34] <DASPRiD> micahg, is there also a thunderbird-stable ppa?
[22:34] <micahg> DASPRiD: soon :-/
[22:35] <DASPRiD> alight then, that sounds good
[22:35] <micahg> DASPRiD: I'll make an announcement on identi.ca and the ML when I push out thunderbird-stable
[22:35] <DASPRiD> it was pretty common prior that there poped up thousand tutorials to get the latest firefox/thunderbird version in ubuntu, and it was never that easy (especially for 64 bit)
[22:35] <DASPRiD> great
[22:36] <micahg> DASPRiD: one of the goals for lucid was to make it possible to upgrade major versions for Firefox
[22:36] <DASPRiD> that's a good goal :)
[22:37] <DASPRiD> is there a similar goal for OOo?
[22:37] <micahg> DASPRiD: not that I know of, there used to be a PPA
[22:37] <micahg> DASPRiD: https://launchpad.net/~openoffice-pkgs/+archive/ppa
[22:38] <DASPRiD> test packages, well
[22:38] <DASPRiD> :)
[22:38] <micahg> DASPRiD: probably labeled that so ccheney doesn't have to fix stuff that doesn't work ;)
[22:39] <DASPRiD> will the average user be able to find firefox-stable (and thunderbird-stable) PPAs easily? as in, will they be announced somewhere?
[22:39] <DASPRiD> haha
[22:39] <micahg> DASPRiD: well, firefox-stable is on the community help site, I also want to make some documentation on the Ubuntu wiki for Mozilla packages
[22:40] <micahg> DASPRiD: there was talk of a tool to help people find the version they want, but I don't know if we'll be able to do that for Maverick
[22:40] <DASPRiD> maverick?
[22:40] <micahg> DASPRiD: lucid + 1
[22:40] <DASPRiD> ah
[22:41] <micahg> DASPRiD: I want to focus on apport + cleanup for maverick personally, but we'll be discussing all this at UDS
[22:41] <DASPRiD> what's the S? :)
[22:42] <micahg> DASPRiD: summit
[22:42] <DASPRiD> ah :)
[22:43] <DASPRiD> if you need a tool writer, i'm here ;)
[22:43] <micahg> DASPRiD: good to know
[22:44] <micahg> DASPRiD: python?
[22:44] <DASPRiD> yeah
[22:44] <DASPRiD> happy that you do not ask for C or something like that ;)
[22:44] <micahg> DASPRiD: it'll probably be some quick tool to just add repos and set proper apt pinning
[22:45] <DASPRiD> hm, quickly written in bash, no? ;)
[22:46] <micahg> DASPRiD: maybe quickly written in quickly :)
[22:46] <DASPRiD> uh?
[22:46] <micahg> !info quickly lucid
[22:47] <DASPRiD> haha
[22:48] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do are we dropping sunbird or the sunbird binaries or ???
[22:51] <DASPRiD> afaik there just won't be any upgrades anymore
[23:17] <asac> bdrung: so we need to fix all the plugin packages in SRUs now because ubufox/plugins/ directory has moved :/
[23:18] <asac> bdrung: flash/adobe-flash/gnash/swfdec ... not sure what other complex was properly shipping in that location
[23:18] <asac> bdrung: at best make that an SRU to get everything there except java which doesnt work there
[23:19] <asac> thanks for keeping your promise ;)
[23:20]  * asac was once right ;)
[23:20] <asac> bdrung: oh ... and also for defaults/preferences ... some packages/overlays might ship something there (thats how i discovered that it was gone)
[23:25] <bdrung> asac: what happened?
[23:28] <bdrung> asac: the browser plugins put some files into ubufox/plugins?
[23:29] <bdrung> asac: are there already bug reports filed?
[23:38] <bdrung> asac: apt-file shows mozilla-plugin-gnash and swfdec-mozilla
[23:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not sure about just dropping one binary package. we should probably just drop the whole package and then work on backporting it in maverick
[23:43] <bdrung> asac: we have flashplugin-installer, mozilla-plugin-gnash, and swfdec-mozilla. anything else?
[23:57] <asac> bdrung: well. every other plugin that uses the alternative system is supposed to ship stuff there.
[23:57] <asac> totem plugin /mplayer too
[23:57] <asac> basically all that != java
[23:57] <asac> for now we just need to packages that ship the file there
[23:57] <asac> and file a bug against adobe-flashplugin package
[23:57] <asac> which is in the partner archive
[23:58] <asac> packages that ship alternatives cannot be switched using theplugin alternative wizard in ubufox otherwise
[23:58] <bdrung> asac: alternative system?
[23:58] <asac> as firefox only sees one
[23:58] <asac> bdrung: checkout what gnash ships ;)
[23:58] <asac> it ships alternatives for flashplugin.so  or something
[23:58] <asac> and also the file directly in ubufox/plugins
[23:59] <asac> idea is that if you dont use ubufox you can still use update-alternatives as admin to select which one to use
[23:59] <asac> (which was the old way)
[23:59] <asac> but if you have ubufox you can switch on the fly in the alternative wizard in firefox
[23:59] <asac> the alternatives way of shipping things should die
[23:59] <asac> its a bloody mess
[23:59] <asac> if you look closer you will notice how bad it is ;)