[00:20] <h00k> anony is trolling about a release party including sex/drugs/violence
[00:25]  * persia suspects that's likely getting well offtopic
[00:33] <h00k> We just had another kernel panic'er in #ubuntu
[00:34] <marienz> klined (I'm still hilighting, but if I have more than one hilight simultaneously I can be a little slow)
[00:34] <Jordan_U> anony has now moved his trolling to #ubuntu+1
[00:36] <h00k> marienz: Yeah, they flooded off.  I was worried about being hilighted on that one ;)
[00:51] <h00k> Jordan_U: I'll try to watch
[00:52] <h00k> Jordan_U: Thanks for letting us know.
[00:53] <h00k> Jordan_U: and I'll ask you to please /part as this channel is not for idling
[01:17] <nhandler> As a heads up, #ubuntu-release-party is now open. Everyone with voice in here has OP access in that channel.
[01:21] <tsimpson> and it begins
[01:21]  * h00k grabs more coffee
[01:23]  * persia kinda wishes all the u-r-p folk would just test the prerelease ISOs rather than fussing
[01:24] <h00k> I concur!
[01:54] <IdleOne> nhandler: not sure if it is UNE or UNR I saw there was a factoid named UNR so I went with it.
[01:55] <nhandler> IdleOne: IIRC, UNR became UNE and KNE became KNR
[01:55] <IdleOne> lol nothing like mixing things up
[01:55] <tsimpson> !nbr
[01:56] <IdleOne> !unr
[01:56] <IdleOne> !une
[01:56] <tsimpson> it's the only one I found
[01:56] <tsimpson> !search netbook
[01:56] <IdleOne> ok but maybe add those two as aliases as people still use them
[01:56] <nhandler> tsimpson: The change was this cycle
[01:56] <nhandler> (or last)
[01:57] <tsimpson> nhandler: I didn't make the factoid, I just found it in the depths of the database :)
[01:58] <tsimpson> it's "Ubuntu Netbook Remix" on ubuntu.com
[01:59] <IdleOne> so UNR
[01:59] <nhandler> tsimpson: Where?
[02:00] <nhandler> I'm pretty sure it is now UNE and KNR. The 10.04 RC release notes also support that
[02:00] <tsimpson> nhandler: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook http://www.canonical.com/projects/ubuntu/unr https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR https://launchpad.net/netbook-remix
[02:00] <tsimpson> everywhere ;)
[02:01] <nhandler> tsimpson: Most of those look like they haven't been updated for lucid
[02:01] <nhandler> It used to be UNR, but changed to UNE
[02:02] <nhandler> See https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-une
[02:02] <nhandler> And check out the first item on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo#Netbook%20Packaging
[02:04] <tsimpson> I just looked on http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/ and it says "Kubuntu Netbook Edition"
[02:04] <tsimpson> it's "Edition" now
[02:04]  * persia has mostly seen "Kubuntu Netbook" as opposed to "Kubuntu Desktop" without any other words
[02:05] <tsimpson> same with http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/ s/Ku/U/
[02:05] <h00k> It's true, it is Ubuntu Netbook Edition
[02:06] <persia> "Edition" matches the typical semantic use.  "Remix" was there for some time because it was originally an out-of-archive add-on Remix, and there was some confusion when it was adopted as a flavour.
[02:06]  * persia should probably go document that somewhere less epheremal
[02:07]  * persia should probably also learn to spell ephemeral
[02:08] <nhandler> persia: Take a look at the links I posted. UNR definitely became UNE. As for the Kubuntu netbook version, the todo item says it became KNR. The confusion comes from the fact that we have a lot of remnents on the web that use the old names
[02:08] <nhandler> Actually, let me just get a quick and easy answer to put this issue to rest
[02:09] <persia> Don't bother.
[02:09] <persia> I've been involved in "this issue" since intrepid.
[02:09] <persia> It probably won't go away for several more years, unfortunately.
[02:11] <nhandler> persia: Probably not. But we might as well have the factoids match up with the terms that are currently being used to describe the two editions.
[02:11] <persia> I generally see folks call them "Ubuntu Netbook Edition" and "Kubuntu Netbook" currently.
[02:12] <persia> But the correct answer is what ends up on releases.ubuntu.com on release day.
[02:12] <persia> (and I've seen that change *hours* prior to release before)
[02:13] <persia> I think we ought actively deprecate three letter acronyms.  We never used "UDE" or "USE" similar.
[02:15] <tsimpson> !-nbr
[02:15] <tsimpson> blame them lot ;)
[02:15] <persia> Oh, it's probably worth noting that Canonical has a (separate) UNR that they provide to OEMs/ODMs.
[02:16] <persia> (see netbook-remix.archive.canonical.com, etc.)
[02:17] <persia> Well, not necessarily worth noting in the factoid, but worth noting for those trying to understand the nomenclature to write good factoids.
[02:17] <Pici> (added #u-r-p info to the end of !lucid)
[02:47]  * Pici sighs
[02:56] <IdleOne> I assume the !guidelines and !coc apply in #u-r-p?
[02:56] <Pici> The rules of #ubuntu-offtopic apply there
[02:57] <IdleOne> So anything goes within reason
[02:57] <Pici> Well, !coc and !guidelines apply
[02:58] <IdleOne> :)
[03:35]  * persia idly notes that the recommendation is to use openjdk-6-jre for which bugs can actually be fixed
[03:59] <tonyyarusso> IdleOne: with the added thing to note that we do not allow claiming it's released, linking to .pool directories, etc. that will cause undue hype and load on release servers before it actually is.  But otherwise yeah, basically an extension of offtopic.
[04:00] <h00k> Ah, I remember this, now.
[04:00] <IdleOne> tonyyarusso: thanks
[04:04] <h00k> IdleOne: Do you want to finish the conversation with hiexpo?
[04:05] <IdleOne> I want to try to show him the path to enlightenment.
[04:05] <IdleOne> but if he pushes to far...
[04:06] <IdleOne> he is a good helper but loses his patience sometimes and the old rtfm attitude in him comes out sometimes
[04:07] <h00k> That attitude does is not conducive to a positive environment :(
[04:08] <IdleOne> I know but I really do feel he can change. I did :)
[04:08] <IdleOne> We just need to keep an eye out, if he gets out of line I'll be the first to ban him again.
[04:09] <h00k> Well, I suppose I won't hesitate if that happens again
[04:09] <IdleOne> h00k: :)
[04:10] <IdleOne> I wasn't trying to imply nobody can touch him. Just think he needs that positive reinforcement.
[04:10] <h00k> Nah, I understand
[04:28] <h00k> IdleOne: goodcall on the pm
[04:38] <IdleOne> ok I think I put it into clear terms what is expected from him.
[08:08] <dholbach> good morning
[18:02] <gnomefreak> any chance of getting ubottu or other bots to add meeting info to topic like it used to be set up?
[18:04] <gnomefreak> info == what meeting and agenda link
[18:10] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: webcal is broken with google calendars, it's being rewritten
[18:10] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: ah thanks
[18:11] <tsimpson> gnomefreak: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bnrubin/+junk/GoogleCal in case anyone wants to help :)
[18:11] <gnomefreak> tsimpson: thanks
[18:12]  * Pici reminds folks that after may 6th, I'll have more time to devote to coding all the projects that I haven't finished
[19:56] <gord> Pici, not going to UDS then?
[19:57] <Pici> gord: Unfortunately.  I was supposed to have an exam that week.
[19:58] <gord> oh, shame
[20:22] <topyli> Pici, and now, no exam and no uds? :(
[20:23] <Pici> topyli: yeah :(
[20:24] <topyli> boo
[20:25] <gord> will the mighty topyli be making an appearance?
[20:26] <topyli> gord, no. i'm busy even if i had he money :(
[20:26] <gord> your supposed to apply for sponsorship!
[20:27] <gord> and take a week off! its like a holiday but you do lots and lots of work
[20:27] <Daviey> without being paid \o/
[20:28] <gord> pfft speak for yourself
[20:28] <topyli> i can't easily move conferences yet. one day i might be important enough, but not quite yet :)
[20:29] <topyli> rhm. s/move/reschedule
[20:41] <Pici> I'll be busy on the 29th, can whomever changes the topic in #ubuntu also add a note about 8.10's EOL on the 30th?
[20:42] <Pici> Or... maybe we can drop some stuff from the topic now so theres room for that.
[21:03] <tonyyarusso> Pici: the mention of #ubuntu+1 can be dropped when Lucid is final, so that will free up some.
[21:12] <Myrtti> !isitout
[21:12] <Myrtti> should the factoid be pointing at -r-p?
[21:13] <Pici> sure!
[21:14] <Myrtti> crikey
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[21:15] <Myrtti> I feel old.
[21:16]  * gnomefreak been using ubuntu since day 120ish so i feel old too :)
[21:28] <tonyyarusso> Myrtti: That's because you are.  Stop pretending you can use teh Internetz ya old hag!
[21:28] <Pici> :O
[21:59] <funkyHat> I met Myrtti she is not old
[22:14] <tonyyarusso> No, she's only a teensy bit older than me I'm pretty sure :P