[00:01]  * Obsidian1723 work is over yeah!! Time to go home. cya all
[21:05] <tonyyarusso> exigraff, h00k, jenkinbr: Has there been any movement on a Duluth/Superior or Grand Rapids release event?  Or just Madison and Twin Cities?
[21:05] <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: Do you have something put together for Northwest yet?
[22:31] <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso: no i havent really be doing much sorry :(
[22:31] <Alpha_Cluster> i actually havent even been using ubuntu much
[22:34] <Obsidian1723> Alpha, what do you use?
[22:36] <Alpha_Cluster> OSX >.< and WHS mostly
[22:37] <Alpha_Cluster> i have a copy of ubuntu and kubuntu that run in parallels its just ati's drivers cause tearing on my media center computer
[22:37] <Alpha_Cluster> otherwise i might have a linux box
[22:39] <Obsidian1723> ahhh
[22:39] <Obsidian1723> Why OIS X?
[22:39] <Obsidian1723> OS X
[22:39] <Alpha_Cluster> cause its Unix and they make really nice laptops
[22:40] <Obsidian1723> Its not UNIX..
[22:40] <Alpha_Cluster> um actaully it is
[22:40] <Alpha_Cluster> its got the unix certs
[22:40] <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: Well, if you can still coax someone else into organizing something, that'd be nice.  :)
[22:40] <Alpha_Cluster> rofl
[22:41] <Obsidian1723> Its a hybrid mix of NeXtstep misxed with FreeBSD. FreeBSD is a deriviative of UNIX, where as Mac OS X is a hybrid / derivative of a derivaitve.
[22:41] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont know anyone really up here to much...
[22:42] <tonyyarusso> Obsidian1723: http://www.macworld.co.uk/mac/news/index.cfm?newsid=19719&pagtype=allchandate
[22:43] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah unix is a cert nothing more
[22:43] <tonyyarusso> right
[22:43] <Obsidian1723> yah?
[22:43] <Obsidian1723> Well Mac OS isn't SCo, System V
[22:44] <Alpha_Cluster> why does that have anything to do wtih Unix?
[22:45] <Alpha_Cluster> all unix means is The Open Group certified it and its posix complient
[22:48]  * Alpha_Cluster stabs 5400rpm hdd
[22:48] <Alpha_Cluster> stupid laptop harddrives
[22:51] <tonyyarusso> Alpha_Cluster: Seriously, if you could even get four or five people to hang out and talk about Lucid for an hour at a coffee shop it would make me happy.
[22:51] <tonyyarusso> And with that, I should head out.
[22:51] <Alpha_Cluster> tonyyarusso: we shall see what i can do
[22:51] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Same goes for you down in the South :)
[22:52] <Alpha_Cluster> yay im not hte only bad one >.<
[22:53] <Takyoji> :P
[22:53] <Takyoji> Otherwise it may have to be a week late.
[22:53] <Takyoji> As in, next week.
[22:53] <Alpha_Cluster> lol
[22:53] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah i haave the same problm
[22:53] <Alpha_Cluster> maybe the X server will work by then too
[22:53] <Alpha_Cluster> or have they fixed that
[22:55]  * Obsidian1723 is back
[22:56] <Alpha_Cluster> UNIX smash
[22:56] <Takyoji> otherwise I'll actually have a laptop to bring with me for once. :D
[22:56] <Takyoji> for the installfest
[22:56] <Alpha_Cluster> lol i actually dont have a mobile linux comp >.<
[22:56] <Alpha_Cluster> i just got a vm
[22:57] <Obsidian1723> Good to have a mobile Linux box.
[22:57] <Takyoji> oh that's right, aren't you that Windows elitist that doesn't even use Ubuntu? :P
[22:57] <Takyoji> (kidding of course)
[22:57] <Alpha_Cluster> Takyoji: actually i a windows server and a MacBook Pro :p
[22:58] <Alpha_Cluster> i keep trying to use Ubuntu for my media center but ATI doesnt want it to happen
[22:58] <Obsidian1723> Try Mythbuntu?
[22:58] <Alpha_Cluster> ist the graphics driver tears
[22:59] <Alpha_Cluster> i know more then enough about linux to configure the rest but i cannot get fglrx to not tear
[22:59] <Obsidian1723> Swap it out for an Nvidia or a PTCV5500
[22:59] <Obsidian1723> PCTV5500
[22:59] <Obsidian1723> yeah ATI can be a biatchie.
[22:59] <Obsidian1723> You can never go wrong with Intel/Nvidia
[22:59] <Alpha_Cluster> oh iknow
[23:00] <Alpha_Cluster> yeah you can go very wrong
[23:00] <Obsidian1723> AMD/ATI, lotsa issues
[23:00] <Alpha_Cluster> i hate nvidia's elitism
[23:00] <Obsidian1723> 'yeah, but it works.
[23:00] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont care
[23:00] <Alpha_Cluster> i want it to work correctly
[23:00] <Alpha_Cluster> and in linux that means FOSS drivers
[23:00] <Obsidian1723> It's certainly less restrcitive than Apple is.
[23:01] <Obsidian1723> Well, FOSS is nice if you can get it... I'm not like rms where it must be free or nothing at all.
[23:01] <Alpha_Cluster> eh with apple i have no expectation that anything above cocoa is open on linux i shouldnt have to run a nvidia binary blog to get my grpahics
[23:01] <Alpha_Cluster> ati at least is making it possible to write the drivers
[23:01] <Alpha_Cluster> and actualy those drivers will probably work here in a few months for me
[23:02] <Alpha_Cluster> Obsidian1723: btw problem with the HD5500 no cable card
[23:04] <Alpha_Cluster> besides nvidida doesnt make hdmi ports on their graphics cards
[23:04] <Obsidian1723> True...
[23:04] <Alpha_Cluster> which is the only way i will plug a computer into my tv besides displayport
[23:05] <Takyoji> Isn't HDMI patent-encumbered? :P
[23:05] <Alpha_Cluster> ?
[23:05] <Obsidian1723> heh
[23:06] <Alpha_Cluster> you need to license it like 90% of port technologies
[23:06] <Alpha_Cluster> i dont believe there is anything encumbering about video going through it
[23:13] <h00k> tonyyarusso: I've been busy,the only thing that I see in the state is down in Madison where I'll be headed