[00:24] <Riddell> claydoh: how did you start your i386 9.10 to 10.04 upgrade?
[00:34] <rbelem> hey Riddell
[00:35] <rbelem> Riddell, i start get my hands dirty today http://paste.ubuntu.com/423635/
[00:35] <rbelem> :-)
[00:36] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm planning to finish tomorrow the kdenetwork/filesystem part
[00:37] <Riddell> rbelem: hypercool
[00:38] <rbelem> :-)
[00:38] <Riddell> rbelem: does it work?
[00:39] <rbelem> Riddell, yep... i made a small test code
[00:39] <rbelem> Riddell, i will paste the other files
[00:44] <rbelem> Riddell, i think it is better to upload to somewhere
[00:44] <rbelem> :-)
[00:50] <rbelem> Riddell, http://media.rbelem.info/usershare.tar.gz
[00:54] <rbelem> Riddell, i'm going home. In some minutes I'll be back
[02:55] <nixternal> silly box fell off my table and hit the power strip just right, shut down everything while I was gone :)
[03:26] <claydoh> Riddell: I upgraded with update-manager-kde. I can also test upgrading from alternate cd if necessary, I have my karmic backup disk image I can restore
[04:03] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think before people get denied upload rights due to their experience matching a package set better than the generalist case, I think that ought to be true.
[04:04] <ScottK> Hotel internet is fun.  My ISO download should be done in 11 hours.
[05:20] <ScottK> apachelogger: Congratulations on GSoC.
[05:21] <ScottK> Good thing they give you a month for community bonding.
[05:23] <maco> ya know, just in case a few years(?) of it werent enough :P
[05:29] <nixternal> make sure you all tweet #ubuntu tomorrow
[05:29] <nixternal> or today for you 2 nuckleheads in dc
[05:29] <nixternal> might be heading out the way to work with ben collins on a project actually...though i have no clue wth he is these days
[05:30] <nixternal> just know he is within a few hours of dc where there is probably lots of woods, a couple of banjos, and plenty of sheep
[05:31] <crimsun> still in PA, I thought.
[05:31] <nixternal> thought he was in WV?
[05:31] <crimsun> could be; I've only seen pa hostmasks
[05:32] <nixternal> speaking of the devil who found me the opportunity to work with ben
[05:32] <nixternal> did you do also work for curt or something? how do you know each other?
[05:32] <nixternal> s/also/alsa
[05:32] <nixternal> i hate that word
[05:33] <crimsun> we know each other through anynet
[05:33] <crimsun> smallish ircnet running on bc infrastructure, lots of Debian devs and users
[05:33] <nixternal> ahh
[09:52] <apachelogger> ScottK: you can never have enough community bonding ^^
[09:53] <apachelogger> also that time is perfect for thiking about the designs and stuff, so I can dive into coding in may
[09:53] <apachelogger> or go on vacation ;)
[11:01] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I think the knh merge didn't go through for some reason (at least I don't see it on lp) :-(
[11:04] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[11:04] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Finnegan's Wake" by Dropkick Murphys [Do or Die, 1998] [http://open.spotify.com/track/0qrVpBm3o8eU0fFO54UXv7] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[11:04]  * apachelogger thinks that kubotu could use an update
[11:04] <apachelogger> ah
[11:04] <apachelogger> akonadi is dead -.0
[11:08]  * apachelogger never saw akonadi eat the cpu
[11:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: those files you sent me have some rather crude issue somewhere
[11:11] <Riddell> crude issue?
[11:13] <apachelogger> Riddell: a rather annoying one
[11:13] <apachelogger> must be mysql ;)
[11:14]  * apachelogger cant switch the modelview int he akonadi console without getting 100% cpu usage
[11:14] <apachelogger> even if the selected resource is empty
[12:14] <gunsofbrixton_> hi, I just installed kubuntu lucid in virtual box, seems like I can't manage to get the guest additions working, anyone else experiencing this?
[12:21] <ulysses> Yes, I've installed the sources of the kernel, but it didn't help
[12:24] <JontheEchidna> amichair: yeah, forgot to push the changes to trunk. the good news is that it did make it to lucid a few weeks ago
[12:25] <JontheEchidna> have to go to class now though, bbl
[12:29] <gunsofbrixton> ulysses: ah, I was indeed missing dkms, thought I had it. sorry, my bad
[13:51] <bulldog98> neversfelde: yes I have time when to start?
[15:30] <amichair> it's awfully quiet in here
[15:31] <rbelem> hey Riddell
[15:32] <rbelem> Riddell, what do you think about the code?
[15:32] <Riddell> rbelem: sorry bad week for code I'm doing final release testing
[15:33] <Riddell> amichair: we're all doing release testing (well I can hope)
[15:33] <amichair> :-)
[15:33] <rbelem> Riddell, np ;-)
[15:33] <amichair> sorry I didn't have more time for ubiquity bugs before release, been too busy :-(
[15:34] <Riddell> how does this read for release? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu
[15:37] <tsimpson> looks good
[15:39] <amichair> Riddell: "Upgrade to 10.04 LTS with an alternate CD start with:" doesn't sound like a correct sentence
[15:40] <tsimpson> the " start with:" could be removed
[15:40] <amichair> Riddell: "if this is not working" -> "if this doesn't work"
[15:41] <amichair> "press the return button" -> "press return" or "press the return key"
[15:42] <amichair> Riddell: excellent screenshots
[15:44] <amichair> Riddell: it might be wise to put the "upgrade from hardy is not supported" note at the top, before ppl start
[15:46] <amichair> Riddell: the top section is missing a 1) section number (only the alternative section has it)
[15:47] <amichair> great walk-through other than that :-)
[15:48] <amichair> JontheEchidna: not sure what u mean by lucid without trunk, but I trust you've got it covered :-)
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> amichair: as in, I uploaded your fixes to lucid a few weeks ago, but didn't push the commits to trunk
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> bzr trunki
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> *trunk
[15:49] <amichair> JontheEchidna: isn't lucid based on trunk?
[15:49] <JontheEchidna> yes
[15:49] <amichair> don't all changes first go to trunk?
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> I just uploaded the package to lucid without pushing the changes to bzr
[15:50] <amichair> oh, as in manually on ur machine?
[15:50] <JontheEchidna> eventually all packages have to be manually uploaded
[15:50] <amichair> ok, I think I get it :-)
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> and then hopefully the developer will at the same time push the changes to bzr
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> unless they forget <.<
[15:52] <amichair> though publishing something without the code in repositories sounds to me like trouble :-)
[15:52] <amichair> JontheEchidna: anyway, thanks - I'm taking it of my todo list ;-)
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> yeah, it's a bad idea to not keep the two in sync. totally my fault for forgetting
[15:53] <JontheEchidna> guess I'm just too used to svn where committing also pushes...
[15:54] <shtylman> the chromi kwin deco is pretty great
[15:55] <JontheEchidna> I found chromi a bit buggy the last time I used it
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> but the concept is neat
[15:57]  * JontheEchidna tries it again
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> yeah, still is a bit buggy: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopup1445-jpg.jpg
[16:00] <nixternal> wtf is up with your vista loving theme there bud?
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> that's the preview's fault
[16:01] <nixternal> yeah right
[16:01] <JontheEchidna> as you can see, the actual decoration is chrome lovin'
[16:01] <nixternal> I don't have no decoration called 'chromi' that looks like vista :p
[16:01] <nixternal> jeesh, talking just like a chicagoan there
[16:01] <nixternal> i don't have no....
[16:03] <JontheEchidna> I found a power adapter yesterday that will let my computer use that fancy Flemish electricity :3
[16:31] <Guest84236> Hi there
[16:32] <Guest84236> When I right click on a folder in dolphin , and select properties and sharing tab ,
[16:32] <Guest84236> it shows you need to authorized to share folders
[16:33] <Guest84236> when I click the configure file sharing it gets my root password
[16:33] <Guest84236> but it does nothing !
[16:33] <Guest84236> what's wrong?
[16:34] <ulysses> Guest84236: Support on #kubuntu, this channel is for the developers. Anyway, have you installed the following packages: kdenetwork-filesharing, samba, nfs-common?
[16:35] <Guest84236> ulysses: doing nothing wothout a prompt is not a bug?
[16:35] <Guest84236> ulysses: and the developers are not here to try improve the quality?
[16:37] <ulysses> last time I've seen a blinking underscore without prompt I have to bring my laptop to the service
[16:39] <ulysses> Guest84236: The developers are here to discuss the development, not to support the users
[16:39] <Riddell> Guest84236: there's a known upstream problem.  it needs rewriting and rbelem is working on that
[16:40] <Guest84236> Riddell: thanks
[16:41] <rbelem> ;-)
[16:43] <rbelem> Riddell, do you know how to add the kde api to the assistant?
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> there's a copy of the kde 4.5 docs for the assistant: http://mts.ms/kde45.qch
[16:45] <JontheEchidna> should be ok as long as you pay attention to the "since KDE 4.x" entries to tell which version of KDE the member was introduced in
[16:48] <Riddell> apachelogger: do you have the beastie number for akonadi startup issue?  we should get it into release notes
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: I think it's bug 564263, though apachelogger should confirm
[16:49] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:49] <apachelogger> though the title does not really fit
[16:49] <apachelogger> it is more like s/for the first time/at random times/g
[16:50] <JontheEchidna> "Akonadi fails because mysql is a poopy pile"
[16:50] <apachelogger> that one
[16:50] <apachelogger> indeed it looks like I always get the dialog when akonadi/mysql did not terminate properly
[16:51]  * apachelogger will try to hunt down all occurances as soon as he finished planning a TA test and distributed some knowledge
[17:32] <dpm> hi Riddell, you asked me a couple of days ago for the output of the comparison between the upstream and downstream language packs, here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424073/ . It is the same thing I sent you last time (comparison of the 'es' langpack), but this time I haven't filtered out the different types of messages. The interesting bits are the ERROR messages, which are the ones that affect all languages. Most of them are about particular stri
[17:32] <dpm> ngs in the upstream language pack, but missing in the Ubuntu one, but I still haven't figured out why (genuine bug, patch modifying strings, import error?)
[17:35] <dpm> Riddell, also tell me if you want to have a Kubuntu translations roundtable at UDS, and we can either put it on the desktop or community tracks. If you want it on the desktop track, feel free to just subscribe me to it then
[18:42] <debfx> claydoh: could you add to the release notes that one needs to install kmozillahelper to get the kde integration for firefox (except when using the firefox installer)?
[19:11] <valgaav> it would be also awesome if kmozillahelper worked with thunderbird/seamonkey :) ... I've already filled out a bug on that
[19:12] <neversfelde> where are the release notes?
[19:14] <JontheEchidna> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004
[19:17] <neversfelde> thanks
[20:04] <dantti> JontheEchidna: that print-manager stuff is giving me more work than i thought it would... :P
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> heh
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> dantti: my side-project is too
[20:05] <dantti> making it use threads was a nightmare..
[20:05] <JontheEchidna> who knew making a Qt/C++ libapt implementation/wrapper would be hard to get correct?
[20:06] <dantti> yesterday I thought I had found a solution..
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> threading makes me cry
[20:06] <dantti> JontheEchidna: yeah,,, libapt is a bit of a pain..
[20:06] <dantti> have you looked into aptcc code?
[20:06] <JontheEchidna> dantti: yeah, it's been helpful
[20:06] <dantti> that might help you a bit..
[20:06] <dantti> :)
[20:07] <dantti> now I realized that I need to change the libqcups to be async instead of using some crazy eventLoops.. hopefully this will solve the problems..
[20:07] <JontheEchidna> Would you happen to know if there is a way to update a package cache without throwing it away and making a new one? (e.g. after a cache update)
[20:08] <dantti> JontheEchidna: well afair I always re read the cache, but it's quite fast on the second time..
[20:09] <dantti> opening it, reading all it's packages, sorting and unique takes less than one second in aptcc
[20:09] <dantti> what takes more time is DBus
[20:09] <JontheEchidna> yeah, dbus is annoyingly slow
[20:10] <dantti> by opening I mean the second time..
[20:10] <davmor2> Hey guys you should fix the ublog so that posts from it don't say from the web but from ublog instead, free advert for KDE
[20:11] <JontheEchidna> My implementation has the Backend making a QList of QApt::Packages. Each package in the cache has an associated QApt::Package that can be used to grab information about the package (name, version, etc)
[20:12] <JontheEchidna> But when I update the package cache, all of the QApt::Packages become invalid :(
[20:12] <dantti> JontheEchidna: one thing that took me lots of time to undestand (and I still don't know it very well now) is why there is so many kinds of caches in apt..
[20:13] <JontheEchidna> what I want to know is why they needed so many goddamn iterators
[20:14] <dantti> JontheEchidna: I see well, I think or you should lock apt like synaptic does, and reload the cache when you reaload it or make the packagekit way, meaning that you do searches instead of having the real db
[20:14] <dantti> yes that too
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> mainly my problem is that the apps that are using my library (a shaman backend and a test app I built) seem to like to try to access the QApt::Packages before the cache done being rebuilt
[20:15] <JontheEchidna> and then it crashes :(
[20:16] <dantti> hmm i see
[20:19] <dantti> JontheEchidna: does shaman use policykit?
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> dantti: My library does: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/
[20:19] <JontheEchidna> via polkit-qt-1
[20:20] <dantti> right, in that case it will be nice if we create a libdebconf-qt
[20:20] <dantti> which I plan to use in kpk and that you would need too
[20:21] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:31] <JontheEchidna> Does anybody know if clearing a QList deletes all the objects within the list?
[20:32] <dantti> JontheEchidna: afair no if they are pointers
[20:33] <JontheEchidna> makes sense
[20:33] <dantti> i remember to have a foreach loop in kpk to delete them
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> ha, there's a crash fixed
[20:35] <JontheEchidna> I forgot to clear the list after deleting all the QApt::Package pointers in it
[20:36] <JontheEchidna> so the first 1,200 pointers in the list were all null...
[20:37] <JontheEchidna> whoa, that was to root of *all* my problems!
[20:38] <JontheEchidna> dantti: Thanks for all your help. You got me thinking in the right direction
[20:39] <JontheEchidna> also I was emitting the "done updating cache" signal after the fetching was done, but before I called the function to rebuild the cache
[20:43] <JontheEchidna> next up: trying to find why installing/removing multiple packages at once only installs/removes the first in the list :(
[20:43] <dantti> JontheEchidna: glad that I helped.. :) if you have more questions poke me
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> Communicating between the libqapt backend and the libqapt worker for installing/removing things is not fun.
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> I have to get a list of all changed packages, note what needs to be done to them, send it over dbus to the worker, have the worker duplicate things on its end, and then commit the changes
[20:44] <dantti> JontheEchidna: do you use DBus for that?
[20:44] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[20:45] <dantti> JontheEchidna: the only problem with DBus for that an packagekit is when your update DBus... the ui stops working (don't know if in ubuntu dbus is also restarted)
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> gotta go now, have to leave early to go home
[20:46] <dantti> cya
[20:46] <JontheEchidna> sorry to run in the middle of a conversation
[20:46] <dantti> don't be
[20:59] <apachelogger> http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3133/2854373407_65fe22d55f.jpg
[21:00] <apachelogger> the octobus is now ready for boarding, please keep your passport and boarding card ready
[21:28] <JontheEchidna> figures kdevelop 4.4.0 tarballs appear on ktown one day before final release :(
[21:29] <Tm_T> ouch
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> rgreening_: looks like you and me are crew buddies for friday
[21:36] <JontheEchidna> UDS Crew buddies, that is
[21:42] <Riddell> kdevelop and koffice are both generally badly timed for our cycle
[21:45] <neversfelde> yes
[21:45] <neversfelde> is someone working on koffice?
[21:45] <neversfelde> rc
[21:46] <Riddell> which one?
[21:46] <neversfelde> wasn't rc tagged a few days ago?
[21:46] <neversfelde> I might be wrong
[21:47] <Riddell> 2.1.91 is in https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/beta
[21:47] <Riddell> that's the newest on ktown
[21:48] <neversfelde> ok
[21:48] <Riddell> claydoh: have you do anything on a release announcement?
[21:49] <Riddell> my plan is to take the RC one and put that onto kubuntu.org updated for final but you may be more prepared
[21:55] <claydoh> Riddell: I have a bare one started, getting ready to work in it in a few
[21:56] <claydoh> Riddell: basically i was going to do similar, but hopefully jazz up the lts bit :)
[22:05] <claydoh> Riddell: anything in particular you don't want missed in the notes? or highlighted?
[22:06] <claydoh> debfx: gotcha on the kmozillahelper
[22:08] <Riddell> claydoh: mostly just the long term support message
[23:18] <txwikinger> what is the matter with usplash? It should be installable on lucid, shouLdn't it?
[23:19] <Riddell> txwikinger: we don't use usplash in lucid
[23:19] <txwikinger> but it is still used isn't it?
[23:19] <txwikinger> not for kubuntu, but for other packages?
[23:20] <Riddell> I refer the honourable gentleman to the answer I gave a moment ago
[23:20] <txwikinger> :)
[23:20] <maco> doesnt plymouth replace it?
[23:20] <al> yea
[23:20] <Riddell> yes
[23:20] <txwikinger> hmm.. I have to find why it is still in my depends... I have taken it out of the seeds
[23:23] <txwikinger> Anyway..who called it plymouth?
[23:23]  * txwikinger thinks that sounds far too English :D
[23:24] <Riddell> I suspect it's named after one of the US Plymouths
[23:25] <txwikinger> the car?
[23:26] <txwikinger> I thought it does not exist anymore
[23:56] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: this neuromancer is a difficult customer it seems
[23:56] <apachelogger> :)
[23:56]  * txwikinger is frustrated about 12 hour wait in building time
[23:58] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: which bug? (Though I agree)
[23:58] <apachelogger> any
[23:59] <apachelogger> he jsut keeps reopening :P
[23:59] <apachelogger> *just