[00:07] <Typos_King> 2.2?
[00:07]  * Typos_King checks his version
[00:08] <patarok_> could somebody tell me where the devices have gone in amarok prefs?
[00:08] <patarok_> please i want to mount my mp3-player/memstick thingy in amarok...
[00:08] <patarok_> 2.2
[00:10] <Typos_King> ... I do have 2.2 ehhe
[00:10] <Typos_King> sooo, what are you looking for?
[00:23] <RDS101> source fraud
[00:23] <RDS101> intercepted
[00:23] <Typos_King> ?
[00:23] <Typos_King> hehe
[00:24] <Typos_King> ahh
[00:24] <Typos_King> using your iPhone in amarok as mounted device..  can't say
[00:26] <patarok_> using some other device can you say?
[00:28] <Typos_King> well
[00:28] <Typos_King> I have an mp3 player however is not an ipod or iphone... and it mounts well and I can use it anywhere
[00:28] <don_jr> Yesterday I installed kubuntu 9.10.  I allowed it to update.  I had no sound at all.  I installed pulseaudio and got system sounds only, no mp3 player or web sound.found a thread that said to remove alsa and pulseaudio and install oss isntead.  now I have no sound at all, and after re-installing alsa and pulseaudio the my pci card is not showing in the audio list under system config>multimedia.  Any suggestions will be most welcomed.
[00:29] <James147> !sound | don_jr
[00:29] <James147> !mp3 | don_jr
[00:31] <Typos_King> don_jr:  are you sure your sliders in kmix are up?
[00:31] <Typos_King> don_jr:   specially Master and PCM, bear in mind that some apps volume controls move those sliders around too
[00:31] <don_jr> Typos_King yes we checked all of that earlier before the removal of pulse audio. as of right now my audio device isn't even showing up in multimedia
[00:32] <Typos_King> I've found that 'audacious' player uses the PCM slider from the volume control, so
[00:32] <don_jr> Typos_King yeah we checked them pretty thuroughly before and durring playback attempts.
[00:32] <Typos_King> don_jr:   can you play .ogg or .wav?
[00:32] <Typos_King> you may just be missing codecs
[00:33] <don_jr> won't play anything at all right now, not even system sounds are back now
[00:33] <James147> don_jr: have you rebooted since you reinstalled pulseaudio?
[00:33] <don_jr> James147 yes, twice
[00:33] <Typos_King> don_jr:    how are you testing for audio?
[00:34] <don_jr> Typos_King in multimedia clicking the test button on the appropriate device use to produce sound and the startup and shutdown sounds were there.  other testing was going to youtube and/or pandora to see if web sound was there
[00:34] <don_jr> tried playing an audio cd with no luck, and mp3's with amarok also no luck
[00:34] <don_jr> as of right now, my audio device is listed in lspci but not showing in multimedia like it use to
[00:35] <Typos_King> don_jr:    ac97?
[00:36] <James147> don_jr: try checking "show advanced devices" in multimedia, see if anything else appears
[00:36] <don_jr> James147 nothing shows up when I click that.
[00:36] <don_jr> Typos_King what is ac97?
[00:37] <Typos_King> built-in audio standard
[00:37] <don_jr> I might just have to re-install from scratch again to at least get system sounds back...
[00:37] <don_jr> Typos_King my onboard doesn't work at all, the plugs are bad or something, lspci shows this 02:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: VIA Technologies Inc. VT1720/24 [Envy24PT/HT] PCI Multi-Channel Audio Controller (rev 01)
[00:38] <Typos_King> ok.. is a pci soundcard
[00:38] <don_jr> there are some issues with this card and alsa, and probably pulsaudio as well.  But at least before I could get system sounds, now I get nothing
[00:38] <Typos_King> well.. not quite
[00:38] <Typos_King> that's just the hardware info, but anyway
[00:38] <James147> don_jr:  you could try delteing or renaming ~/.kde/share/config/phonondevicesrc    not sure what it will do though
[00:41] <don_jr> I'm lost, might just re-install and start from scratch again, at least I'll have some sound...can work on the other problems again after...any other suggestions before I take this step?
[00:42] <don_jr> Alrighty then, be back in an hour or so lol
[00:42] <James147> don_jr: it your going down the reinstall route then to get mp3 to work install "kubuntu-restricted-extras" (i think its still called that) also if you dont ahve sound in flash thats a problem with flash not your sound
[00:42] <James147> don_jr: think most ppl get flash to work by purging it and installing it directly from adobe
[00:42] <don_jr> James147 I had restricted-extra's installed earlier as well and still no mp3 or wav playback, but I'll definitely get it installed along with pulseaudio right from the get go.
[00:43] <don_jr> alright might give that a shot then, though I'll need some instruction on purging it.
[00:43] <patarok_> bye
[00:43] <James147> don_jr: to purge "sudo aptitude purge flashplugin-installer"
[00:44] <don_jr> alrighty, I'll give that a shot, thanks
[00:44] <Typos_King> don_jr:   sounds like ... the drivers aren't loading
[00:45] <Typos_King> yeah, the restricted will do I'd think
[00:45] <James147> Typos_King: hes gone
[00:45] <Typos_King> yeah, so I noticed ^_^
[01:20] <dominicdinada>  I am using ubuntu 9.10 and decided to give the kubuntu-desktop a try so when i opened up kubuntus kde all of a sudden my ndiswrapper does not work for my bcm4306 which worked in ubuntu
[01:21] <dominicdinada> so when I look for the interfaces i do not have access to the wlan0-2 interfaces nor my ndiswrappers it is as if they have disappeared ??? any suggestions ?
[01:32] <ubuntu> :O
[01:33] <Typos_King> ..
[01:34] <Typos_King> ndiswrapper?
[01:34] <Typos_King> why do you need that?
[01:34] <Typos_King> dominicdinada:    what.... wireless card doyou have?   a broadcomm chipset?
[01:41] <heinkel_111> how can I discover network settings using kubuntu?
[01:41] <heinkel_111> i am struggling to configure a new router for wireless
[01:42] <heinkel_111> my connection works fine when I use a ethernet directly to the modem
[01:42] <heinkel_111> but I have trouble configuring the router so I am able to connect to the internet
[01:43] <heinkel_111> I would like to look up the right settings when on the normal ethernet connection not using the router and configure the router correctly
[01:43] <heinkel_111> I googled for a few hours but have serious trouble finding the answers I need :-(
[01:44] <Typos_King> ...
[01:44] <Typos_King> I'd rather recommend a different network manager frontend, btw, but usually if your router is broadcasting, knetworkmanager will show it
[01:45] <Typos_King> anyhow, that said, I use network-manager-gnome, works better IMO than knetworkmanager
[01:45] <heinkel_111> my router is not configured correctly, that is the problem ...
[01:47] <skierpage> I've located a document in my terminal.  How do I open it with its default application from the terminal?  (Kubuntu 9.10)
[01:47] <Typos_King> skierpage:   depends on the document extension, but usually Dolphin will open it for you by just clicking the file
[01:48] <skierpage> Typos_King Thanks, but re-read what I asked.  I want the command line that does what Dolphin (and all that .desktop and defaults and whatever) does.
[01:49] <Typos_King> heinkel_111:    I'd run a cat5 to have it setup firstly then, from a cat5 your router will usually be accessible through your web browser at http://192.168.0.1 or so
[01:49] <Typos_King> heinkel_111:   and you can configure it from there
[01:50] <skierpage> `dolphin /path/to/myfile.ext` works, but now I've got an instance of Dolphin I don't want.
[01:50]  * heinkel_111 googles cat5 :-)
[01:50] <Typos_King> heh
[01:50] <Typos_King> cat5, a NIC cable :P
[01:50] <Typos_King> meaning, run a network cable to your router
[01:51] <skierpage> On Mac OS X, "The `open` command opens a file (or a directory or URL), just as if you had double-clicked the file's icon."
[01:51] <Typos_King> well
[01:52] <heinkel_111> Typos_King: ahhh - got it, and I know how to configure the router (I have done it several times before) it is just that my ISP does not supply configuration information openly for some reason
[01:52] <skierpage> kfmclient sounds promising, but demands a URL, it rejects `kfmclient /path/to/myfile.ext`
[01:52] <Typos_King> skierpage:     that's specific to the file really, the extension that is, what happens, macOSX as well as most OS, have a MIME setting for each, and thus they have 'handlers' for when you click it, on a terminal, you have to enter the 'handlers' yourself
[01:53] <heinkel_111> Typos_King: so I dont know what to put in the configuration, specially the  DNS related parts
[01:54] <heinkel_111> however, since my computer is able to get this right (automatically) when not using the router I should be able to read the information from my computer, somewhere....
[01:54] <heinkel_111> and then type it into my routerconfigs afterwards
[01:54] <heinkel_111> that is my problemsolving plan...
[01:55] <Typos_King> heinkel_111:   from the router all you need is wireless broadcasting ON and maybe a WEP key if any needed, and your wireless adapter will pick it up
[01:56] <skierpage> Typos_King  You are mistaken or confused.  Dolphin figures out that stuff for me, as does Mac OS X `open` command, as does the Windows Start > Run command.  I just need the command line equivalent in KDE/Kubuntu/Ubuntu.
[01:57] <heinkel_111> Typos_King: I am afraid you are not understanding what I am asking about, the wireless connection is not the problem
[01:57] <heinkel_111> Typos_King: my problem is how to find all dns related information needed to configure the router
[01:58] <skierpage> Typos_King though I appreciate your labors!  :-) <3
[01:59] <aperson> bah, I really would like to try kubuntu-netbook, but the installer's buttons are outside of my screen :/
[01:59] <skierpage> skierpage Quit harassing the unpaid help and use `kfmclient exec /path/to/myfile.txt`
[02:00] <Typos_King> hehehe
[02:00] <Typos_King> skierpage:    how do you  know it does?
[02:00] <Typos_King> where is your information coming from?
[02:01] <Typos_King> all OS have MIME settings, and thus is how they handle things
[02:01] <skierpage> skierpage & Typos_King You are awesome!  Thanks for all your help!  Wish it was easier.
[02:01] <Typos_King> there are no psychic mind-reading file managers
[02:01] <Typos_King> sadly to tell you
[02:02] <skierpage> Typos_King  Google kicked out http://www.qtcentre.org/archive/index.php/t-2000.html "How to open a document with the default application?" and SkripT said `kfmclient exec <filename>` or `gnome-open <filename>`
[02:02] <Typos_King> right
[02:03] <Typos_King> two apps who look at the MIME settings before launching anything
[02:03] <skierpage> I spent 15 minutes trying out all the kde/open/init commands I could find.
[02:03] <Typos_King> I can do all that without either
[02:06] <skierpage> Typos_King  http://www.qtcentre.org/archive/index.php/t-2000.html is the request for KRunner and/or Kickoff to autocomplete filenames (then open them in default app)  the way Start > Run does.
[02:07] <skierpage> Cheers all, back to the terminal until I put more RAM in this sucker. ;-)
[02:31] <don_jr> Just installed kubuntu 9.10 and allowed it to update.  Installed pulseaudio, installed flashplayer from adobe site.  I have no sound on the web but I do have system startup and shutdown sounds.
[02:32] <Squidy_at_Home> hello.. is there a kubuntu version of ubuntu one client?
[02:33] <don_jr> I'm not sure what ubuntu one client is so I can't help mu8ch, sorry
[02:34] <Squidy_at_Home> don_jr: https://one.ubuntu.com/
[02:34] <lucitu> don_jr: u r still having sound prob?
[02:34] <don_jr> I'll look up on it in a bit, trying to fix this sound
[02:35] <don_jr> lucitu yes, I ended up having to totally reinstall since the advice of one left me with no audio devices detected lol
[02:35] <lucitu> don_jr: tell me can your media player have sound?
[02:35] <don_jr> so frsh install, updated, installed pulseaudio, installed flash player from adobe site as suggested by one earlier, and no amarok won't even play a CD, but that reminds me to install kubuntu restricted something
[02:36] <don_jr> gotta find that again
[02:36] <lucitu> don_jr: i'm on lucid but my karmic is 4.4.2
[02:36] <lucitu> don_jr: what's your kde version?
[02:37] <don_jr> how do I update it, and will the DE(i.e. KDE or gnome) make that big of a difference?  I'm on 4.2.3
[02:37] <don_jr> I think it was....forgot how to check
[02:37] <lucitu> don_jr: well not much..but in systemsettings-> multimedia..what card do u see?
[02:38] <don_jr> I see my proper card as the preferred device.  IC Ensemble ICE1724 (ICE1724)
[02:39] <lucitu> don_jr: if you select it and test..does it play anything?
[02:39] <don_jr> yes
[02:40] <don_jr> sound test works
[02:40] <don_jr> what is that called?  kubuntu-restricted-packages?
[02:40] <lucitu> don_jr: in the systray..can u check the spkr icon and click on mixer..tell me what channels are shown/muted?
[02:41] <don_jr> shows both my cards, the onboard(that doesn't work) and my proper pci card.
[02:41] <don_jr> on the pci card I have master, front, surround, center, lfe, pcm, cd, headphone.  ALL are turned all the way up on both tabs just to be safe, still nothing
[02:42] <lucitu> don_jr: so u have 2 cards?  maybe it's confusing..did u disable in bios the onboard card?
[02:43] <don_jr> lucitu not in the bios, didn't think of that.  Though system sounds work fine.  I'll give that a shot.
[02:43] <lucitu> don_jr: in mine.. ihave to mute surround center lfe cd headphone to work
[02:44] <don_jr> ahh alright, I'll give that a shot
[02:44] <lucitu> don_jr: ok..try it..bec apps maybe sending it to the wrong one
[02:44] <don_jr> Amarok won't even play a CD, I click the file and it won't even put it in the 'track playing' list
[02:45] <lucitu> don_jr: amarok can't play cd anymore
[02:46] <don_jr> alright, when I open the cd directly through dolphin and click the little play button on the right, it does nothing there either.
[02:46] <lucitu> don_jr: you have to rip your cd tracks to mp3/ogg
[02:46] <lucitu> don_jr: not sure on karmic but there is a kde cd player
[02:47] <don_jr> ok
[02:47] <lucitu> don_jr: KsCd?
[02:47] <don_jr> I'll look for it in a few
[02:48] <lucitu> don_jr: u might have to reboot and disable in bios your onboard card?
[02:48] <don_jr> yes going to try that next, waiting for the restricted extra's to finish installing
[02:49] <lucitu> don_jr: in kde pulseaudio is know to not play well
[02:50] <lucitu> don_jr: phonon, phonon-backend-xine is best
[02:51] <lucitu> don_jr: *known
[02:52] <lucitu> don_jr: the only pulseaudio i have installed is the libpulse*
[02:53] <don_jr> if I remove pulseaudio I lose all sound completely
[02:53] <don_jr> my backend does say 'xine' though
[02:54] <lucitu> don_jr: ok..will keep it that way for now
[02:55] <lucitu> don_jr: can u paste the output of lsmod | grep snd
[02:55] <lucitu> don_jr: not here but in pastebin
[02:56] <lucitu> don_jr: www.paste.ubuntu.com
[02:59] <don_jr> lucitu http://paste.ubuntu.com/423693/
[03:06] <don_jr> see anything of interest?
[03:07] <lucitu> don_jr: is the other card the intel?
[03:08] <don_jr> yes
[03:08] <don_jr> the ice1724 is a pci card
[03:09] <don_jr> the intel is the one that doesn't work properly, it's onboard, i havn't restarted to disable it yet.
[03:09] <lucitu> don_jr: the higher number for ice than the intel i think is giving it priority
[03:10] <lucitu> the ice1724 should have 1
[03:10] <don_jr> the ice card should have the priority.  It gives the system startup and shutdown sounds properly
[03:11] <lucitu> don_jr: just for testing..can you attach a speaker to the intel and see if youget sound out of it?
[03:11] <don_jr> if I mute and unmute the PCM I hear clicking from my speakers.
[03:12] <don_jr> there are no ports in the back of the computer for sound other than the pci card, I"m not sure why that intel is showing there, unless it's only the PC speaker
[03:13] <lucitu> don_jr: i thought you have onboard sound card other than the pci card?
[03:13] <don_jr> I just crawled under my desk to double check,  there are no sound ports back there.  it just shows the intel as an onboard
[03:14] <don_jr> I should restart and disable that one, I've also installed the extras and the like, let me do that and see what happens, I'll be back in 2 mins or so
[03:15] <lucitu> don_jr: ok..dinner for me..brb in half an hour.
[03:22] <don_jr> Alright I"m back, after disabling the onboard came back on and PCM was muted and master was too, and turned all the way down, I brought them back up, going to multimedia to test there
[03:23] <don_jr> sound works in testing,  trying to play cd now
[03:23] <don_jr> nothing from a wav file
[03:32] <don_jr> damn this sound problem is friggin rediculous
[03:33] <kaitos> say, is there any way to export a pdf as a kword or opendocument, so i can fill it out and print it?
[03:36] <lucitu> don_jr: can u paste lsmod | grep snd again?
[03:37] <don_jr> sure
[03:38] <lucitu> don_jr: after disabling the other one
[03:38] <don_jr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/423701/
[03:41] <lucitu> don_jr: do u have the mixer open?
[03:41] <lucitu> don_jr: what channels aree shown?
[03:42] <don_jr> shows, master, front, surround, center, lfe, pcm, cd, headphones
[03:42] <don_jr> I have front, surround, center, lfe, and headphones muted
[03:43] <lucitu> don_jr: try unmuting front and max it
[03:43] <don_jr> ok
[03:44] <don_jr> no joy
[03:44] <lucitu> don_jr: hmm
[03:45] <lucitu> can u check if alsa-base is installed?
[03:45] <don_jr> how?
[03:45] <don_jr> yes it's installed
[03:46] <lucitu> try unmuting center
[03:47] <don_jr> YEAH!!!
[03:47] <don_jr> unmuted surround and it works great on yourtube now!!!!
[03:47] <don_jr> Thank you so much for all your patience with this
[03:47] <lucitu> don_jr: good..cud hear you over here
[03:47] <don_jr> haha
[03:49] <lucitu> don_jr: if u enable backports you should have 4.4.2
[03:49] <don_jr> how do I do that?
[03:50] <lucitu> don_jr: hold on..i usually do on the term..let me check
[03:50] <lucitu> don_jr: do u use kpackagekit?
[03:50] <don_jr> yeah I can do it in a terminal
[03:51] <don_jr> I can do that too, but I usually use console apt-get or aptitude to install stuff
[03:52] <lucitu> don_jr: edit /etc/apt/sources.list and uncomment the lines that has backports
[03:52] <don_jr> ok
[03:52] <lucitu> don_jr: wait..go to kubuntu.org and see the instructions there
[03:53] <don_jr> alrighty
[03:54] <lucitu> don_jr: ok..enjoy your music..glad to be of help
[03:56] <vivek_> don_jr:hi
[03:59] <lucitu> don_jr: lucid will be out in 2 days..you might want to try it as well.
[04:02] <abonora> helloo
[04:03] <abonora> any body here !!!
[04:03] <lucitu> abonora: shhh
[04:04] <abonora> are you sleeping :)
[04:04] <don_jr> lucid, next distro version?
[04:04] <abonora> itś my fist time using IRC
[04:04] <lucitu> don_jr: yes..
[04:04] <abonora> i just want to help devolping KDE and Open Source comunity
[04:05] <abonora> iḿ from Egypt
[04:05] <abonora> i Can help in translation and Art work graphics
[04:05] <abonora> if any one knows what should i do plz tell
[04:06] <lucitu> abonora: nice and we thank you..look in kde.org where they are looking for contributors
[04:06] <abonora> i got this chat room link form http://www.kde.org/community/getinvolved
[04:07] <abonora> plz gave me link or somthing to follow
[04:07] <abonora> this is my first time
[04:07] <vivek_> don_jr:is your prob solved
[04:08] <don_jr> yup, finally just about 5-10 mins ago, Lucitu and I got it
[04:08] <vivek_> don_jr:great.. what was the issue
[04:08] <don_jr> and it was so stupidly simple....had to disable the onboard in the bios....lol
[04:09] <vivek_> don_jr:lol most of the issues are so trivial.. we just are not able to realize
[04:09] <lucitu> sound is  a trial and error bec of the many snd cards/drivers
[04:09] <abonora> i just want to help devolping KDE and Open Source comunity
[04:09] <abonora> iḿ from Egypt
[04:09] <abonora> i Can help in translation and Art work graphics
[04:09] <abonora> if any one knows what should i do plz tell
[04:09] <FloodBotK1> abonora: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[04:09] <vivek_> that is true... enjoy Kubuntu.. while we wait one more day
[04:10] <abonora> ok
[04:10] <lucitu> vivek_: why wait? you can get it now..while there is no waiting
[04:11] <lucitu> abonora: try kubuntu.org
[04:11] <abonora> i did lucitu but there is no application form or something
[04:12] <vivek_> No lucitu: not the RC although it is the same as the one comin out tomo....i can wait for one more day
[04:12] <abonora> here is the link but i don know what to do http://www.kde.org/community/getinvolved/
[04:13] <lucitu> abonora: there is the kubuntu-dev mailing list..but it's kind of murky
[04:14] <lucitu> abonora: i tried but got cold reception..not encouraging
[04:14] <abonora> i found this [04:14] <lucitu> abonora: in kde.org there sre those blogs that talks about contributing..the one by neomantra?
[04:18] <lucitu> abonora: try their mailing list as mentioned
[04:18] <abonora> in fact iḿ Not expert in using mailing lists
[04:19] <abonora> do i use kmail for this ?
[04:20] <lucitu> abonora: there is a link there to subscribe to it
[04:20] <abonora> any way i will try to contact some of the linux lovers on my country mybe some one knows the way
[04:21] <lucitu> abonora: http://lists.arabeyes.org/mailman/listinfo/doc/
[04:22] <abonora> thank you <<lucitu>>> so much
[04:23] <lucitu> abonora: salam
[04:23] <abonora> wa alikom al salam wa rahmat allah
[04:24] <mammal> aaa
[04:24] <mammal> Hello
[04:30] <mammal> I have got a problem with my hidden wifi and kubuntu any idea to fix it?
[04:31] <avihay> don't use KNetworkManager
[04:32] <lucitu> mammal: just state your prob and someone can look at it and help
[04:41] <Lars___> Hi. My 64-bit Kubuntu 10.04 system use OSS for sound which presents a few problems. First problem is that Adobe Flashplayer plugin won't playback sound. I use the 64-bit version from Adobes pages.
[04:42] <Lars___> Second problem is that Wine (I need to run Spotify through it) will neither playback sound. I have tested all the servers on the sound tab in winecfg
[04:45] <Lars___> And the third problem is that most non-KDE applications (smplayer, vlc) had to be changed from default sound server to OSS for playback to work, but stops with errors on video files with multi channel AC3-streams
[04:46] <calumayoo> good morning
[04:48] <Lars___> Native KDE apps such as Dragon Player and Kaffeine is able to playback multi channel AC3, but downmixes to stereo PCM and does not throughput the original stream to my amplifyer. (Connected through optical IEC958)
[04:48] <calumayoo> i have a problem with my wine...
[04:49] <calumayoo> cant open c:\
[04:49] <calumayoo> Unable to run the command specified. The file or folder file:///home/calumayoo/Documents/.wine/dosdevices/c: does not exist.
[04:50] <Lars___> calumayoo: The .wine-folder is normally directly in your home directory, not in the Documents directory. What application or command outputs that error?
[04:51] <calumayoo> Browse C:\ drive
[04:52] <mammal> Something wrong goes on with kubuntu and my notebook when it is loading broadcom proprietary wifi driver. The whole system does not react at all. With ubuntu everything goes fine. Must I do something before start the loading?  I'm newbe with Linux!
[04:53] <Lars___> calumayoo: Is Browse a command or are you trying to browse the drive with Dolphin or Konqueror?
[04:56] <calumayoo> i dont know.. i just click it from the wine part of the applications in the menu
[04:57] <Lars___> Hmm, I get the same
[04:58] <calumayoo> with linux mint it can be opened
[04:58] <calumayoo> i wonder why
[05:03] <Lars___> calumayoo: Right click the Kicker-icon (The K-menu) and select «Application Launcher Settings»
[05:03] <calumayoo> okay
[05:03] <Lars___> Expand «Wine» and select «Browse c: drive»
[05:04] <Lars___> Change command from «xdg-open .wine/dosdevices/c:» to «xdg-open ~/.wine/dosdevices/c:»
[05:04] <calumayoo> wait
[05:04] <Lars___> Click «Save» and close the editor
[05:06] <calumayoo> Lars__:  there's nothing ot expand here
[05:06] <calumayoo> under the application launcher settings, i can only see General and Keyboard Shortcut
[05:07] <Lars___> calumayoo: I don't think you are in the correct editor
[05:07] <calumayoo> did you mean KDE Menu Editor
[05:07] <calumayoo> ?
[05:07] <Lars___> Yes
[05:07] <calumayoo> okay ill do it
[05:07] <Lars___> Ah, right. I'm sorry, I read wrong when trying to backstep my actions
[05:09] <calumayoo> wee! thanks..got it working now
[05:09] <Lars___> Yay, good
[05:10] <calumayoo> what's the latest version of wine?
[05:10] <calumayoo> i might want to update it
[05:12] <calumayoo> ?
[05:13] <calumayoo> how do i update to 1.1.43 in the command line?
[05:13] <calumayoo> that's for wine
[05:21] <calumayoo> please help me
[05:47] <UbuntuBoy> http://techbytes4.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-2-days-left-and-what-to-expect/, really good article on Lucid, I recommend subscribing to this blog.
[06:19] <Daughain> Anyone familiar with synching Android to Ubuntu via wifi?
[06:49] <calumayoo> Hello
[06:49] <calumayoo> i need some help
[06:50] <Guest25677> Don't ask yo ask, just ask!
[06:50] <Guest25677> *to
[06:51] <calumayoo> i dont know how to upgrade my wine to 1.1.43
[06:51] <calumayoo> i have now wine 1.01
[06:52] <Guest25677> calumayoo: What's you *Ubuntu version?
[06:52] <Heliwr> the wine ppa has the latest greatest https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-wine/+archive/ppa
[06:53] <calumayoo> 9.10
[06:54] <lucitu> calumayoo: upgrade to 10.04 and you get 1.1.42
[06:54] <calumayoo> i thought it wil be in two days time?
[06:54] <calumayoo> okay ill try that
[06:55] <Guest25677> He can use what Heliwr suggested.. read from the link above Adding this PPA to your system
[06:55] <Guest25677> either way :)
[06:57] <calumayoo> i will not have internet for some time after this
[06:58] <calumayoo> do you recommend upgrading 10.04 even though its not completely released yet?
[06:59] <lucitu> calumayoo: not officially but iso are set to go imo..
[06:59] <calumayoo> imo?
[06:59] <Heliwr> I've been running 10.04 for a few weeks now, it is now pleasantly stable
[07:00] <Heliwr> if you're using intel graphics make sure you update xorg-server immediately, the RC still had a memory leak problem but it a fix is available now
[07:01] <lucitu> it's always that way..unless a showstopper..in this case it's rebuilt but u can do zsync what u have
[07:22] <vivek_> hii guys I am facing this issue since today morning.. whenever I start/restart my system , I get till the screen where it shows kubuntu loading.. but then the screen asking for username/password just does not apear(all i get is a blank monitor). Then i have to switch off the system and turn it on again and then it works ..
[07:27] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: I've had something similar happen to me
[07:28] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: and how did you resolve it
[07:28] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: Try hitting esc, if that doesn't work, swap to a tty (ctrl + alt + F1) and see if that works, and swap back to your xorg (crtl alt f7) if that doesn't work... Plug in a second monitor if you can
[07:29] <TheAncientGoat> plugging in a second monitor solved my issues
[07:29] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: second monitor!!! well I have only one monitor with me... will a fresh new KUBUNU install solve it
[07:30] <calumayoo> i have a problem
[07:30] <e_t_> vivek_: you could disable the boot splash. It might solve your problem, or at least show you what's going wrong.
[07:30] <TheAncientGoat> That might do it. Although I'd reccomend you wait till Lucid comes out
[07:31] <calumayoo> everytime i close the lid... i get a balck screen and i cant work on it anymore
[07:31] <e_t_> !ask|calumayoo
[07:31] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: anyway Lucid is out tomo.. i hope it is not a hardware isue or is it?
[07:31] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: What gfx card do you have?
[07:32] <TheAncientGoat> Nvidia?
[07:32] <calumayoo> vivek: youre back
[07:32] <calumayoo> :)
[07:32] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat:No it is that which came built in with the system .. the intel one...I dont know its exact spec though
[07:33] <vivek_> Hi calumayoo: am having some prob with my system.. will solve it first :-).. how are you and how did the install go
[07:33] <TheAncientGoat> ah, I have a nvid card and have a problem similar to that.. so it might not be a vid card issue
[07:33] <calumayoo> it was okay..  i can play movies now
[07:34] <vivek_> hmmm but till yesterday night everything was great.. dont know what happened today morning TheAncient Goat: was there some update yesterday
[07:35] <vivek_> great calumayoo: have fun
[07:36] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: Not that I can remember, but it was the same with me, the problems just appeared all of the sudden
[07:37] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: Can you check something random quick, see if you set your time automatically
[07:37] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: time automaticlly means?
[07:38] <TheAncientGoat> As in from a network server
[07:38] <TheAncientGoat> You can check it with alt f2 and type time
[07:40] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: no it is not set to set automatically
[07:40] <calumayoo> what's the subsitute for gedit?
[07:41] <calumayoo> for kubuntu?
[07:41] <e_t_> calumayoo: kate, or kwrite
[07:41] <TheAncientGoat> calumayoo: Kate
[07:41] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: Ah, k
[07:44] <beltorak> quick question; is there a reasoning behind the group names, roles, and numbers? One thing I see that is peculiar is that daemon is 1 and bin is 2, whereas my slackware systems have this the other way around
[07:46] <beltorak> does this have its roots in the sysV / BSD split?
[08:11] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: Hi.. there were some security bug fixes which had come.. I upgraded them and now when I restart there are no problems... Thanks to you and to e_t:
[08:12] <TheAncientGoat> vivek_: Good to hear it's sorted now :)
[08:12] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys has anyone tried karmic in virtual box with 3d acceleration?
[08:12] <vivek_> TheAncientGoat: yes as you said .. automatically! god knows why it came in the first place
[08:20] <paul_> Can anybody help me with a very small but annoying problem?
[08:20] <paul_> i installed Kubuntu 10 RC cos i'm impetient
[08:20] <paul_> and after installing the video card the usplash screen is the wrong resolution
[08:21] <paul_> I just want to resize it but can't find any info on this
[08:21] <rww> paul_: 10.04 uses Plymouth, not usplash, and you'd probably have better luck in #ubuntu+1
[08:22] <paul_> how can i resize it?
[08:27] <paul_> i found the file in the lib/plymouth folder, i suppose i can work on it from there, Thanks rww
[08:31] <FloodBotK1> !netsplit
[08:45] <george> bk
[08:59] <anirban> Why HD 1080p MP4 video files playing on KDE like a 1fps ..
[09:01] <moetunes> anirban: it might be the cpu, vid card or vid bard driver
[09:01] <moetunes> s/bard/card
[09:05] <joys> this is joy
[09:13] <anirban>  GLX Renderer GeForce 9400 GT/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.15 moetunes
[09:13] <anirban> need anything batter then that?
[09:14] <moetunes> cpu and driver? - using nvidia propriety driver?
[09:16] <anirban> moetunes i play crysis on my pc at 23-25 fps
[09:16] <moetunes> k
[09:16] <nicolas_>   slt
[09:18] <anirban> moetunes hear the all i got CPU:       Single core Intel Pentium 4 (UP) cache 1024 KB flags (sse3 nx lm) clocked at 2666.584 MHz
[09:18] <anirban> Graphics:  Card nVidia G96 [GeForce 9400 GT] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1360x768@52.0hz
[09:18] <anirban>            GLX Renderer GeForce 9400 GT/PCI/SSE2 GLX Version 3.2.0 NVIDIA 195.36.15
[09:19] <anirban> My system KDE x64
[09:19] <anirban> Its realy looks nice
[09:19] <moetunes> anirban: seems that should be enough to play hd vid
[09:20] <anirban> humm
[09:20] <anirban> but gettng low fps
[09:20] <moetunes> it might just be the mp4 codec that gives an issue?
[09:21] <anirban> useing vlc and amork but result same
[09:21] <moetunes> which vlc version?
[09:21] <anirban> moetunes broken codec?
[09:22] <moetunes> or poorly supported
[09:22] <anirban> may be ..i becouse i use sudo apt-get install vlc
[09:22] <anirban> vlc install all the codec
[09:23] <moetunes> got a non mp4 hd vid?
[09:23] <anirban> runs fins mkv or avi
[09:23] <anirban> low res mp4 run well
[09:24] <anirban> not want to say but in Windows i have no problem play HD
[09:25] <anirban> how about new kbuntu 10
[09:25] <moetunes> seems the hd mp4 has poor support with what you use - might have to use another player for it
[09:26] <moetunes> anirban: you can ask in #ubuntu+1 - I don't use 10.04
[09:27] <anirban> Oooo
[09:27] <anirban> mine is kbuntu 9
[09:29] <moetunes> anirban> how about new kbuntu 10   moetunes> anirban: you can ask in #ubuntu+1 - I don't use 10.04
[09:30] <anirban> Oooo
[09:30] <anirban> Thanks for the info
[09:30] <moetunes> sorry I couldn't help more
[10:05] <damas> фсем привет!
[10:05] <damas> может кто подсказать новечку?
[10:08] <mvk> i've upgraded my 64bit karmic installation to lucid, but my fglrx drivers are not working anymore, i tried to reinstall the propriatary once
[10:08] <mvk> but no luck, is this a bug?
[10:08] <mvk> i keep getting a Xorg error about chain loader 7
[10:10] <anirban>  loader 7
[10:11] <anirban> in grub select win 7 loder and use e to edit the line
[10:11] <mvk> anirban, please read that i wrote - its not a grub-chainloader error (i do actually know what chainloading is)
[10:11] <mvk> its a Xorg error, about the fglrx driver that it can not load the driver for it
[10:12] <mvk> (looks like incompatibility between Xorg and the fglrx xorg driver)?
[10:13] <moetunes> mvk:  you can ask in #ubuntu+1 they might know a fix
[11:08] <Guest45593> hola
[11:08] <Guest45593> buenas
[11:10] <Yezu> hola
[11:10] <Yezu> alguien habla mi idioma
[11:10] <rww> ubottu: es | Yezu
[11:30] <ahox> hi, there does not seem to be an intuitive way to shutdown/logout/etc the pc from the netbook shell.
[11:31] <ahox> I know that I can type it into the run dialog, but IMHO there also should be a nice&easy graphical way to do the same thing. I kind of expect it in the Start activity
[12:16] <ctw> Hi! If I install the intel x86 version (rather than the 64-bit PC), can I address more than 3 GB of ram?
[12:17] <gunsofbrixton_> ahox: never used the netbook shell, but can't you just add the logout plasmoid to the desktop?
[12:30] <ahox> gunsofbrixton: that's what I did now, I just think it would be nice if it is there by default.
[12:32] <gunsofbrixton> ok good point but probably not very effective to mention it on this channel, probably better to file a wish on launchpad
[12:32] <gunsofbrixton> ahox:
[12:32] <ahox> ctw, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-4gb-ram-limitation-solution/
[12:33] <ctw> ahox: thanks -- is it better to just go with the 64 bit version then?
[12:43] <Kabiigon> hey
[12:43] <Marko38> hi hi
[12:44] <Kabiigon> Marko38, have u had any experiance with wubi
[12:44] <Marko38> sorry, never heard of it; new to linux, was seeking advice myself
[12:44] <Kabiigon> whats your problem
[12:45] <Marko38> need to remote desktop a friends pc, he's running windows xp
[12:45] <Kabiigon> ok
[12:45] <Kabiigon> does he have rdp setup on his computer
[12:46] <Marko38> rdp?
[12:46] <Kabiigon> remote desktop enabled
[12:47] <Marko38> I believe so, but there could also be fire wall issues within his router
[12:47] <Kabiigon> use the 30 day trial of webex
[12:47] <Kabiigon> it should be cross platform
[12:47] <Marko38> sweet, will look it up now...
[13:08] <Guest31523> hi
[13:27] <Vge> Marko38, if your running desperate, teamviewer with wine will work out of the box
[13:41] <Billy> someone like's ballbusting?
[13:49] <naught101> anyone noticed in lucid that controls at the bottom of the open office and gimp main windows aren't there?
[13:50] <naught101> eg. the zoom controls
[13:56] <angelo> hi
[14:01] <baiguang> hello
[14:02] <baiguang> hi
[14:02] <bazhang> hi
[14:03] <baiguang> can you help me ?
[14:03] <bazhang> could you ask a question?
[14:04] <baiguang> what's this?
[14:04] <bazhang> Kubuntu support
[14:05] <baiguang> 用汉语行吗？
[14:06] <bazhang> !cn | baiguang
[14:06] <baiguang> thank you!
[14:06] <mathieu> how can one gets the channel list plz
[14:07] <bazhang> mathieu, /msg alis list *term*
[14:07] <mathieu> thanks
[14:08] <alvin> Is there a method to restart krunner? It's not predicting commands anymore.
[14:25] <saintly> helllooooo
[14:25] <bazhang> hi
[14:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:26] <saintly> Ubuntu netbook remix 9.10 ftw
[14:26] <saintly> lol
[14:26] <BluesKaj> sez  who
[14:26] <saintly> lol sez my Dell Inspiron Mini 1012
[14:27] <saintly>  lol
[14:27] <saintly> hmm
[14:28] <saintly> any idea how to connect to another server?
[14:29] <txwikinger> !lol >saintly
[14:29] <BluesKaj> !lol
[14:30] <BluesKaj> txwikinger, i think we should share that message , so others get it as well.
[14:30] <saintly> wow a simple chuckle and you ppl fire up you keyboards on me
[14:30] <txwikinger> BluesKaj: fine
[14:31] <BluesKaj> :)
[14:31] <saintly> ;)
[14:59]  * bulldog98 hugs apachelogger for developing the KubuntuOne Client
[15:04] <lalalol> hey guys
[15:05] <lalalol> i need quick help, my sound suddenly started working
[15:05] <lalalol> stopped*
[15:06] <islington> good way to mock up a plasma theme?
[15:09] <lalalol> help
[15:38] <moromethe> hy all
[15:53] <q__> nobody here.......
[15:54] <Realmkeeper> ... wow... you are right!
[15:54] <Realmkeeper> ;)
[15:56] <baaio> hai
[15:56] <bazhang> hi
[15:57] <baaio> can type chinanise ?
[15:57] <bazhang> !cn | baaio
[15:58] <Realmkeeper> Chinanise? Didn't know that was a language... must be something like Americanise. ;)
[16:13] <zmax> oi
[16:14] <zmax> oi
[16:14] <bazhang> hi
[16:14] <zmax> oi
[16:16] <Realmkeeper> What time will Kubuntu actually be released? (And, which time zone is that time?)
[16:17] <bazhang> Realmkeeper, not known
[16:17] <bazhang> !party | Realmkeeper
[16:18] <Realmkeeper> oh... Ubuntu has a party channel; didn't know what. :)
[16:19] <Realmkeeper> *that
[16:20] <bazhang> yep :)
[16:22] <slow-motion> hi
[16:23] <Realmkeeper> would Kubuntu be as easy to use/setup as Mandriva? Might put in on my nephew's computer, as it's the first with the new kde version.
[16:26] <bazhang> Realmkeeper, should be
[16:26] <bazhang> Realmkeeper, just install kubuntu-restricted-extras as soon as you have it on
[16:28]  * Realmkeeper goes and reads what "kubuntu-restricted-extras" will do
[16:28] <bazhang> Realmkeeper, all the codecs
[16:30] <Realmkeeper> bazhang: I asked, cause I know that the ubuntu's do not have things like YaST or Mandriva Control Center
[16:30] <Realmkeeper> So, setting up things might be a little harder for him
[16:31] <Realmkeeper> Though, I've not used Kubuntu is a long while... so, maybe things have changed... and the package installer is a lot better?
[16:32] <bazhang> well this is not an unbiased place to ask
[16:33] <vbgunz> When I print text documents from kate or katepart inside konqueror, the top of the document is cut off by about 2 lines. Anyone know whats going on?
[16:36] <Realmkeeper> bazhang: Okay, I'll wait for 10.04 and see, then. :D
[16:38] <Realmkeeper> bazhang: Thanks for the kubuntu-restricted-extras tip! Any other good tips for Kubuntu?
[16:38] <bazhang> Realmkeeper, not right now; just setting it up myself :)
[16:42] <vbgunz> I sort of figured it out. how can I permanently change the margins to my printer?
[16:44] <vbgunz> I dont see an option in printer settings and everytime I go to print, the margins reset
[16:44] <vbgunz> there has got to be a way to keep the margins from resetting, how?
[17:36] <pucko-> is there any reason there would ever be a .kde and/or .config in the / dir?
[17:40] <txwikinger> pucko-: not really
[17:40] <txwikinger> well.. if you set one of the users home directory to /
[17:44] <vbgunz> anybody use soundKonverter? it has no trouble converting mp3 to ogg *but* goddamnit if you try to convert ogg to mp3. I am pulling my hair out. what should be the easiest method to convert ogg to mp3?
[17:44] <vbgunz> my whole library is in ogg format. I want to try transferring a few songs to another device that can only play mp3s. this is truly a headache
[17:45] <apparle> vbgunz: use mencoder or ffmpeg
[17:47] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, make sure you set it up as ogg to mp3 in the options/settings
[17:48] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I think I have, but I always get a 1.4kb mp3 file.
[17:48] <vbgunz> apparle: I believe the program is using ffmpeg
[17:49] <apparle> vbgunz: you can use either of them
[17:55] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, are these files from itunes/
[17:55] <BluesKaj> or a commercial site , vbgunz
[17:56] <saintly> Alright
[17:56] <saintly> anyone have any idea as to why half my downloads from the Software Center wont actually download?
[17:58] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I converted my entire Windows library from years of use to ogg with no problem. I did this about 2 years ago. I never thought about converting anything back to anything other than ogg and now that I am trying to do it on a single file, I can't.
[17:59] <BluesKaj> perhaps ffmpeg will do it as apparle says
[18:00] <apparle> vbgunz: try ffmpeg its simple
[18:01] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, altho you can batch convert with soundkonverter if you can configure it to do mp3 from ogg..dunno why it won't work tho
[18:01] <saintly> anyone able to assist a linux/ubuntu/kubuntu noob
[18:02] <TheAncientGoat> saintly: Thats why we're here, ask your question
[18:03] <saintly> whats the difference between UNR and Kubuntu 9.10
[18:03] <vbgunz> soundKonverter easily converts from mp3 to ogg *but* trying to do the opposite (ogg to mp3) is hell. This is a KDE 3 program so it's probably just outdated for this kind of job
[18:04] <saintly> i have UNR, but im liking what i see of kubuntu via youtube.
[18:04] <saintly> fyi im doing this all on a net book.
[18:05] <saintly> any suggestions?
[18:09] <saintly> well epic fail for asking a question
[18:09] <rork> go for the rebound!
[18:10] <apparle> vbgunz: so finally got it working ?
[18:12] <saintly> ok lets try this again
[18:12] <saintly> Kubuntu 9,10 (the newest version, correct?) what are the system requirements?
[18:13] <apparle> saintly: no wait for a day
[18:13] <saintly> what?
[18:13] <apparle> saintly: 10.04 is coming out tomorrow
[18:13] <Pici> !requirements
[18:13] <saintly> aha!
[18:14] <saintly> ok so i should wait for 10.04... alright so im on a netbook, will there be an issue getting it tomorrow?
[18:17] <vbgunz> apparle: I think I know what is happening. I don't think I have the right codecs. my entire library conversion was done more than 2 years ago. back then, I must have had the right codecs. im looking into it now and it appears I might be looking into medibuntu for this
[18:19] <apparle> just install medibuntu repo and update
[18:20] <vbgunz> apparle: yeah. I am trying to find the apt-key for medibuntu. it looks like I have to install the key from the repo itself.
[18:20] <vbgunz> heh
[18:21] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, soundkonverter default  puts the converted file into a folder "unknownalbum" in the soundkonverter folder in /home/user ...have you checked there ?
[18:23] <BluesKaj> vbgunz, I just converted an ogg file to mp3 with no probs , so you may be missing some codecs etc
[18:23] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: I changed it. But, trying to convert an ogg file from the command line using ffmpeg, it says basically the codec is unsupported
[18:23] <BluesKaj> bbl
[18:23] <vbgunz> BluesKaj: yeah I can play mp3s though, I thought that was all that mattered
[18:32] <saintly> if i switch to kubuntu now, what will i be missing when 10.4 comes out
[18:32] <saintly> and im discussing the netbook version
[18:33] <Torch> saintly: bugs. problems. headaches.
[18:34] <Torch> saintly: in other words, it's a perfectly fine idea to install 9.10 today and use it for a couple of weeks while everyone else plays beta-tester for 10.04. then install 10.04 once the worst bugs have been fixed.
[18:36] <saintly> alrighty!
[18:36] <saintly> well ill be back after installlation if Kubuntu is done
[18:36] <saintly> :D
[19:17] <gorgonzola> hello. i want to report a bug against the display module ni system settings. anyone knows the name of the pakcage?
[19:30] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, just use the title "system settings/display" if you're reporting it on launchpad.
[19:31] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj ok. already found the bug though. it says it was fixed in a ubuntu9, but it's still present in ubuntu14...
[19:32] <gorgonzola> its this one, btwhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
[19:32] <gorgonzola> damn. that's not a bug. nevermind
[19:33] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, you should report that on kubuntu 10.04 ?
[19:33] <gorgonzola> ok, this is the bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/554948
[19:33] <gorgonzola> i'm on kubuntu lucid beta, should i reopen that one now, should i wait till tomorrow, or should i open a new one?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, come on over to #ubuntu+1 and ask there, it's the lucid chat
[19:41] <gorgonzola> ok
[19:44] <bommel> hallo, wo bekomme ich sun-java6-jre in lucid her für JDownloader ?
[19:47] <bommel> (RC)
[19:48] <bommel> ist es grundsätzlich möglich von RC zur LTS Version zu upgraden ?
[19:49] <bommel> oder geschieht das eh onehin automatisch ?
[19:54] <apparle> how much time for lucid?
[19:54] <Guest49724> hi guys :)
[19:55] <Guest49724> just wanted to ask if the freenx server for lucid is on the way?
[20:01] <rafa> hello
[20:01] <rafa> I'm trying to figure out a way not to have to run 'kbuildsycoca4' every time before I need to run my Kdevelop, which was compiled from SVN
[20:01] <rafa> can someone help me out?
[20:11] <vbgunz> apparle: BluesKaj: I got it. I enabled the medibuntu repos and installed the following extra codecs for soundKonverter "aacgain aften faac flake lame sox twolame libavcodec-unstripped-52" I am not sure why, but I had to reboot, restarting X wouldn't work. Anyhow, I can convert my oggs to mp3 now. I think I honestly only needed libavcodec-unstripped-52 for the mp3s
[20:19] <eugenio> ciao
[20:25] <michael___> who
[20:27] <ubuntu> o_O
[20:28] <saintly> ok ppl
[20:29] <saintly> is there ANY WAY to switch from Ubuntu to Kubuntu? without a windows pc?\
[20:30] <saintly> i have no windows and i want me Kubuntu Netbook 9.10
[20:31] <saintly> ??
[20:35] <apparle> saintly: but where did you get the idea that you need windows for switching from ubuntu to kubuntu?
[20:35] <apparle> saintly: for switching you don't need windows at all
[20:35] <saintly> WOO
[20:36] <saintly> help me ou then, how do i do this??
[20:36] <saintly> i want Kubuntu Netbook 9.10
[20:37] <rork> saintly: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook
[20:38] <saintly> Rork: its that easy?
[20:38] <rork> saintly: yes, after that logout and switch to KDE
[20:38] <saintly> okay how do i do that?
[20:39] <rork> saintly: you're on ubuntu with gnome as window manager now?
[20:39] <saintly> I have UNR
[20:39] <saintly> i dk what its setup as im a noob :/
[20:40] <saintly> *ubuntu Netbook Remix*
[20:41] <rork> saintly: does it look like this: http://microteknologias.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ubuntu-netbook-remix-3.jpg or this: http://lh6.ggpht.com/_FJH0hYZmVtc/SqUqYMuM79I/AAAAAAAACoc/t2owOvVEEUQ/jde22_thumb%5B10%5D.jpg
[20:42] <saintly> like the first, but theres only one column, on the left. nothing on the right
[20:43] <saintly> im a widget freak, i would love it to look like the second, but darker color.
[20:45] <rork> saintly: ok, in the startmenu there should be a program called Terminal start that and a commandline interface should start up. On the commandline type "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-netbook" that will install all the packages you need. As an alternative you can install kubuntu-netbook trough Synaptic or some other package manager.
[20:45] <saintly> terminal sounds easier, brb when im thru installing
[20:45] <saintly> now it wont conflict with other packages will it?
[20:45] <rork> you can stay here while you install :)
[20:46] <saintly> i know lol, but im minimizing
[20:46] <rork> saintly: no it shouldn't
[20:47] <saintly> ooh verbose
[20:47] <saintly> lol
[20:48] <rork> saintly: yes, enjoy the characters scrolling by ;)
[20:49] <saintly> haha yeah lol. i jail broke my iphone and i set it to verbose start up too. its awesome.
[20:49] <saintly> 11 min left till complete
[20:55] <apparle> Guys please suggest a channel where I could get help regarding programming
[20:56] <Tm_T> apparle: #<language or environment>
[20:56] <djustice> apparle: #kde #kde-devel #qt #c++ #python #perl etc etc :)
[20:57] <saintly> no idea im an apple iPod/Phone/Pad techie
[20:57] <apparle> Tm_T: I need help to access the parallel port at very high speed... it doesn't matter what would like to choose...... I choose depending on that
[20:59] <saintly> Rork: you still here?
[20:59] <rork> saintly: yes
[20:59] <saintly> ok it says:
[21:00] <saintly> choose between gdm and kdm
[21:00] <rork> saintly: kdm that's kubuntu's login manager
[21:01] <saintly> alright
[21:01] <wllkmbll> Can someone help me figure out how to have my computer auto login to KDE?
[21:02] <Zorael^2> I had a crash in KVpnc which produced the following kcrash:http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424193/. There doesn't seem to be any kvpnc-dbg package to install debugging symbols, but the kcrash doesn't seem to suggest any unknown symbols either. (No question marks)
[21:03] <rork> wllkmbll: System Settings > Advanced > Login Manager > Convenience
[21:03] <Zorael^2> Should I just continue with the bug reporting anyway?
[21:03] <wllkmbll> rork: I have that checked off, but when I log in it still brings me to the login screen
[21:04] <saintly> After my packet is done, i restart, correct?
[21:05] <rork> saintly: logout, in the login screen there will be a button "Choose session" or something, click it and select KDE, then login and you'll be on kubuntu :)
[21:06] <saintly> sweet!
[21:07] <wllkmbll> I think when I installed KDE I didn't tell it to have KDE run the login screen. I don't know if that has anything to do with my problem.
[21:08] <saintly> plasma widgets ftw
[21:09] <rork> wllkmbll: you could install kdm and try again then
[21:09] <wllkmbll> rork: Would I lose all the things I had already set up, like my themes?
[21:09] <tst_> hi
[21:10] <Gerrit> How do I use the output of a program to be shown at the desktop? In particular, I use 'worldclock' and would like its output on my desktop (I had this in an earlier version of Kubuntu)
[21:10] <rork> wllkmbll: no, it just changes the login manager from the one you had to kdm, it doesn't effect KDE otherwise
[21:10] <tst_> Gerrit: with superkaramba? (just guessing)
[21:10] <wllkmbll> rork: Ok, thank you, I will try that
[21:11] <tst_> which is the app that controls kde session switching?
[21:11] <Gerrit> tst_: Hmm, in KDE 3.5 I could just select kworldclock in "backgrounds"
[21:11] <Gerrit> Isn't Plasma highly flexible and capable of many things?
[21:12] <Tm_T> sure it is
[21:13] <Tm_T> there's marble wallpaper plugin
[21:13] <wllkmbll> I have kdm installed, I just don't know how to make it the default login manager.
[21:13] <Tm_T> wllkmbll: "sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm" in konsole
[21:14] <Tm_T> then choose kdm when it ask which one to use
[21:15] <wllkmbll> Tm_T: Thank you, I am loging off and trying it now.
[21:15] <Gerrit> Tm_T: I'm trying to find how to use that (I'm new to KDE4)
[21:20] <demism> how can I regenerate my kde-menu? and how can I add applications to daisy?
[21:22] <wllkmbll> Tm_T: It worked, thank you.
[21:23] <wllkmbll> I have another question; how can I change to appearence of the login screen?
[21:23] <jbuncher> Can someone help me change the keybinding to open up the source editor from within okular?  It doesn't seem to be listed in the okular "configure shortcuts" menu.
[21:24] <Tm_T> !away | dendro-afk
[21:25] <rork> wllkmbll: System Settings > Appearance > Splash Screen
[21:26] <Tm_T> rork: that's not login screen though
[21:26] <rork> wllkmbll: sorry, that's not it
[21:26] <Tm_T> wllkmbll: systemsettings -> advanced tab -> login screen
[21:26] <wllkmbll> Tm_T: Do you mean login manager?
[21:27] <Tm_T> that, yes
[21:30] <saintly> this is AWESOME
[21:30] <saintly> i have a several questions now tho lol. u still here Rork?
[21:31] <lucitu> demism: why re-gen kde-menu? a drastic one is to delete ~/.kde and re-start X
[21:31] <rork> saintly: I'm still here, but others might be able to answer your questions as well (or even better ;)
[21:31] <saintly> lol true
[21:31] <saintly> well is there a way to change my back ground now?
[21:31] <rork> saintly: I hardly have any experience with widgets for example
[21:32] <wllkmbll> In System Settings > Desktop > Desktop Effects > All Effects is there a way to get more effects?
[21:32] <saintly> hmm
[21:32] <lucitu> saintly: right click desktop and desktop activity settings
[21:32] <rork> saintly: do you mean the wallpaper? Rightclick the desktop > configure Desktop. Also in System settings there's a lot you can configure browse around there
[21:32] <djustice> wllkmbll: make some. :) or wait. maybe sum on kde-look.org too...
[21:34] <wllkmbll> djustice: I would, but I'm still amazed I haven't messed something up and killed my computer. I killed my windows partition already.
[21:36] <_nik_> hi, does anybody know how to remove the blue aura of the active window in kubuntu 10.04?
[21:38] <jbuncher> does anyone know where the okular devs hang out?
[21:41] <lucitu> jbuncher: #kde? #okular? just guessing
[21:48] <saintly> right clicking it doesnt work
[21:49] <saintly> its Kubuntu Netbook
[21:49] <saintly> any idea? i really want a diff wallpaper
[21:53] <saintly> anyone?
[21:54] <saintly> im stuck :/
[21:54] <_nik_> Do you have the toolbox in the right upper corner?
[21:55] <seawolf> hi,can't open    software-properties-kde in    kpackagekit   http://paste.ubuntu.com/424222/
[21:56] <saintly> my "status bar" is on top, and in the uper right there is time, search, lock/turn off computer.
[21:56] <saintly> it dont look like anything im seein on youtube. :S
[21:59] <dagon_> hey guys
[21:59] <dagon_> I'm having a problem with a VPN connection in Karmic
[21:59] <dagon_> I've put in all the information right and it only says "Activating"
[22:02] <saintly> alrighty. i looked up my wallpaper issue. Can anyone tell me what the "plasma" icon looks like
[22:04] <saintly> thats a big ten four.
[22:04] <saintly> i got it, it looks awesome
[22:06] <Torch> jbuncher: why do you want do know?
[22:06] <Torch> s,do,to,
[22:14] <Teknical> will kubuntu 10.04 be avail for download come midnight?
[22:14] <Teknical> or .. "somewheres" midnight i should say..
[22:15] <Typos_King> ahemm  why?    can't download it in the afternoon?
[22:16] <Teknical> ... it comes out on the 29th, 28th here .. hence the question
[22:16] <Tm_T> Teknical: midnight in some region, sure
[22:16] <Teknical> aye thx, will watch for it
[22:17] <Tm_T> Teknical: or in the other words, no, don't expect it to be released in some particular time
[22:17] <Typos_King> Teknical:   is 28th here too, so give it a few hours, either way, one day won't kill you anyhow, and you can in the meantime catch up on your movie watching :P
[22:17] <Teknical> bleh ive been wanting to re'os for a few days, but being so close to release ive been waiting .. im not patient :)
[22:18] <saintly> anndddd back again
[22:18] <Typos_King> Teknical:  being impatient is not exactly what I'd call a good feature :{
[22:19] <saintly> new question, how can i delete widgets?
[22:19] <Typos_King> what if the moon is late a few mins?   what about the sun?   what are you planning to do? hurry them up? what if they don't listen?
[22:20] <saintly> then you cry silently in a hole somewhere, Typo.
[22:20] <saintly> :D
[22:23] <Typos_King> you just need to get a few dvds to watch in the meantime :P, tomorrow will come, no any sooner than it has before, and without your help on its own, worry about today, today, worry about tomorrow , tomorrow
[22:24] <saintly> well said, mon capitane
[22:24] <Torch> saintly: delete widgets?
[22:24] <Typos_King> I don't think I've ever added any myself... sooo
[22:27] <saintly> yes
[22:27] <apparle> hey guys is there a shorcut to navigate through tabs?
[22:27] <saintly> is there a way to do it?
[22:28] <Typos_King> apparle:   tabs where?   usually Ctrl-tab forward or ctrl-shift-tab for backwards
[22:28] <saintly> i got the facebook app and i need it gone
[22:28] <saintly> lol
[22:29] <saintly> alright , who here knows some about widgets?
[22:29] <apparle> Typos_King: the tabbing feature in lucid
[22:30] <apparle> Typos_King: where you can tab various different application together
[22:30] <Typos_King> .. I guess I dunno it, since I'm not running it
[22:30] <apparle> Typos_King: very nice featue..... wait for a day
[22:31] <Typos_King> is that in kubuntu? or ubuntu?
[22:32] <Torch> apparle: shift+left and +right in konsole, alt+left and +right in most of the other KDE apps
[22:32] <Torch> apparle: ah, you mean kwin.
[22:33] <saintly> annnyyy widget ppl?
[22:33] <fortunev> Hi all. My khelpcenter has been missing files since Jaunty. I'm at Lucid, now. How do I install missing khelpcenter files?
[22:33] <apparle> Torch: no I am talking about the tabbing feature in which you can tab different application windows like okular and firefox
[22:34] <apparle> its new in KDE4.4
[22:34] <Torch> apparle: yeah, i run kde 4.4 longer than you are, i guess.
[22:34] <TommyThaGun> I have a question, is there is reason I am unable to access my screen resolution settings in KDE?
[22:35] <Torch> apparle: i don't know of a kwin shortcut for that, though
[22:35] <Torch> TommyThaGun: nvidia?
[22:35] <apparle> Torch: the I don't know.... but Alt+Right Left and Shift+Right left don't work
[22:36] <TommyThaGun> Torch, no, I'm on in intel based chipset
[22:36] <saintly> noobish question... is there any tabbing in Kubuntu netbook? i just switched from UNR and i liked that set up, anything like it?
[22:38] <saintly> ?
[22:40] <saintly> Did everyone die?
[22:40] <new_bember> o_O
[22:40] <fortunev> I was thinking the same thing. Just you and I I guess
[22:40] <saintly> so quiet.
[22:40] <fortunev> I think marcel is alive!\\
[22:41] <Typos_King> hehe
[22:41] <fortunev> marcel: you living?
[22:41] <marcel> m
[22:41] <Typos_King> saintly:    I don't run 4.4  so, :)
[22:41] <saintly> maybe theres an elite group of mac snipers and assassins...
[22:41] <fortunev> I got an 'm' from marcel I think that means YES
[22:41] <saintly> LOL
[22:41] <Torch> saintly: your question doesn't make any sense to me.
[22:42] <saintly> have you run the Ubuntu Netbook remix, or seen it yet typo?
[22:42] <Typos_King> no
[22:42] <Typos_King> I'd expect it to be no any different than else :)
[22:42] <Typos_King> just different hardware, is all
[22:42] <saintly> well at the top, when you run more than one application it shows it in the bar.
[22:43] <saintly> and you can switch back and forth easily, similar to windows
[22:43] <Typos_King> in the 'title' bar?  I have a taskbar, and that works well for me
[22:43] <Typos_King> similar to win32?   hehe, not sure on that
[22:43] <saintly> but i havent seen that in Kubuntu yet, just a spat that says "1 application running" or something
[22:44] <Typos_King> I've switched windows quite often using the quick-switch, alt-tab, on either and works well :)
[22:44] <saintly> alt tab?
[22:44] <Typos_King> yeah
[22:44] <Typos_King> win32/macOSX/*nix all do it
[22:44] <saintly> AHAHA it works thats exactly what i need ty
[22:45] <Typos_King> that has worked since ever :|, on by far any window manager
[22:45] <Typos_King> I mean, I've used it since way back in kernel 2.4 too :P
[22:45] <saintly> i didnt know it worked on this os tho, didnt even think to try
[22:45] <saintly> i just got ubuntu yesterday
[22:46] <Torch> saintly: like, on KDE 0.9. ;-)
[22:46] <Typos_King> alt-tab forward, alt-shift-tab backward
[22:46] <fortunev> saintly: what were you using before?
[22:46] <saintly> lol furtunev, ive run android, windows 7, vista and xp
[22:47] <saintly> and im a ipad/phone/touch hacker ;)
[22:48] <fortunev> Is there a way to install missing help files for my khelpcenter?
[22:48] <saintly> maybe just reinstall it all?
[22:49] <Torch> fortunev: what ARE you missing? some apps don't have any.
[22:49] <saintly> widgets help isnt in mine, for example
[22:49] <fortunev> I see the apps listed, but when I click on them it says 'Not Found'.
[22:50]  * saintly scratches chin.
[22:50] <fortunev> would purging and reinstalling work you think?
[22:50] <Torch> fortunev: not even system -> dolphin?
[22:50] <saintly> absolutely. but if it doesnt its because there simply are no help files.
[22:51] <fortunev> Amarok is one for example that is listed, butsays the index.html file is not found
[22:51] <Torch> fortunev: that's because there isn't a handbook for it
[22:52] <fortunev> saintly: That makes sense, but it would be poor planning to list an app in a help app, that has no help
[22:52] <Torch> fortunev: still, that's the way it is.
[22:52] <saintly> lol well said.
[22:52] <fortunev> I guess I could wget the online version..
[22:53] <fortunev> ...I'm only guessing theres an online version
[22:54] <saintly> ubuntu does have EVERYTHING help online. forums are out there too.
[22:54] <saintly> youd think they would sync online archives with help center tho.
[22:54] <zus> how do i install a partition manager on karmic? kubuntu?
[22:55] <zus> nothing is showing up in kpackagemanager
[22:56] <Torch> zus: apt-get install partitionmanager
[22:56] <fortunev> saintly: ...I'm trying to come up with a sensable excuse for kubuntu not to sync these up.
[22:56] <fortunev> ...stumped!
[22:56] <Torch> zus: from a shell
[22:56] <Torch> zus: as root, of course ;-)
[22:56] <kwtm> Hi!  How do I stop the taskbar from grouping similarly named apps together, in KDE4?  Just migrated from KDE3.
[22:56] <zus> ToraToraTora,  yes please
[22:58] <Torch> kwtm: in the task manager settings, select "do not group" under "grouping"
[22:58] <zus> Torch,  i need to install windows on this 40 gig drive then i can reinstall tomorrow with a fresh lucid
[22:58] <Torch> zus: right. what's the problem?
[22:58] <Typos_King> usually right-clicking on the 'taskbar' on an empty area gives you the taskbar settings, and it's there
[22:59] <zus> Torch,  just putting in my wiondows cd alone wont reformat my HDD
[22:59] <kwtm> Torch: Thanks for info.  I'm guessing you mean "taskbar", but I don't find the
[22:59] <apparle> s there a kubuntu sticker with the latest kubuntu branding
[22:59] <Torch> zus: install partitionmanager in kubuntu. resize the kubuntu partition. create a windows partition. install windows.
[22:59] <kwtm> Torch: Thanks for info.  I'm guessing you mean "taskbar", but I don't find the "grouping" option to select.  This is under K > System Settings > Desktop effects, yes?
[22:59] <Typos_King> zus:   I think there's a kdepartitionmanager
[22:59] <Torch> kwtm: no
[22:59] <Torch> Typos_King: it's called partitionmanager
[23:00] <Typos_King> ... I see
[23:00] <Torch> kwtm: unlock widgets. click on the yellowish thingy at the far right of your panel. right click on the task manager. select settings
[23:00] <zus> Torch, Typos_King  thanks ill try that.... sudo apt-get install kdepartitionmanager?
[23:00] <Torch> zus: no
[23:00] <Torch> zus: sudo apt-get install partitionmanager
[23:01] <Torch> zus: then you'll find it in your menu
[23:01] <Torch> zus: of course you could also use a GUI to install packages, but they usually don't work that well and i don't know what kubuntu is currently using (that changes randomly)
[23:02] <kwtm> Torch: I clicked on yellow "cashew" on R of panel (NOT the one on upper right desktop).  It says "screen height", "lock widgets", "more settings" etc but not task manager.  I tried "more settings" but still no task manager.  Did I click the wrong thing?
[23:02] <Torch> kwtm: no, that was correct
[23:02] <zus> Torch,  ill be able to delete the entire partition kubuntu is on then right?
[23:02] <Torch> kwtm: at that point you can right click on the task manager and get the settings option from the context menu
[23:02] <Torch> zus: no. it will be in use.
[23:03] <Torch> zus: as long as a partition is in use you cannot delete it
[23:03] <kwtm> Torch: Oh, I see: the menu I get when R-clicking on task manager changes after I click on the panel cashew.  Will try.
[23:03] <Torch> kwtm: that's the idea ;-)
[23:03] <Torch> zus: what do you want to do? remove kubuntu? or install window in addition to it?
[23:04] <Torch> s,window,windows,
[23:04] <zus> Torch,  both,  i need windows back on (unfortunately) and  i want to do a clean install tomorrow with 10.4 (dual boot)
[23:05] <kwtm> Torch: Wow!  COnfusing, but powerful.  Would be nice if this were all under system settings, but I'll be satisfied with actually being able to use KDE4 after so long with KDE3.  I hear KDE4 doesn't even do multi-key shortcuts any more. :(
[23:05] <Torch> kwtm: don't believe anything you hear about kde4. it works wonderfully for me and many others.
[23:05] <zus> im using kde4.4.2 currently
[23:06] <kwtm> Torch: I was hoping you'd say that!  How do you get multi-key shortcuts in KDE4?  Those are my lifeblood (you run out of keys so quickly when confined to single-key!)
[23:12] <zus> Torch,  kvtm lol by windows i mean xp pre service packs even
[23:12] <kwtm> Torch: Well, voodoo advice based on experience.  So, in a way, yes: after many many tries, it works.  Not sure why it works, so I'll attribute it to the sun-god or something. :)
[23:12] <ctw> Torch: thanks!
[23:12] <Torch> kwtm: if you know what you're doing, it's a hassle, but it's managable.
[23:12] <kwtm> zus: Well, I just reinstalled (from "recovery partition") a WinXP with no service packs.  Before that, all Win2k (the only copy of Windows I have that  didn't come repinstalled)
[23:13] <Torch> kwtm: recovery partitions are an entirely different matter, though.
[23:13] <kwtm> Torch: Agree, but it is a risk.  Depends on zus' situation, I guess.  If tomorrow no time to install Linux after WIndows, then ok to install Linux today first.
[23:14] <Torch> anyway, gotta sleep. good night.
[23:14] <zus> Torch,  thanks and  good night to you as well
[23:17] <zus> kvtm at the moment the linux os for me is for fun and learning and an interest with bugs, how ever  there are a few things i need windows back on for a few jobs
[23:18] <wllkmbll> Is there a better wirless manager for KDE than wicd?
[23:18] <kwtm> zus: yeah. I know what you mean.  I switched in 2002 but recently found that I had to go back to Windows for a few things.  Good thing my wife let me use her old WinXP laptop.  (We both hate her new Vista laptop)
[23:18] <kwtm> wllkmbll: I don't suppose KNetworkManager fits the bill?
[23:19] <wllkmbll> I think I tried that... I'm new to KDE and I'm having a lot of trouble with the internet
[23:19] <Typos_King> wllkmbll:    I use NetworkManager, and works decent, I don't use knetworkmanage frontend, I use network-manager-gnome, which works better IMO
[23:19] <zus> kwtm,  i never had an issue with windows and recently switched to linux when 9.10 released...., only problem is i have no time ti wait on windows its SO slow after 5 months in linux.
[23:20] <wllkmbll> Typos_King: How do you use that in KDE?
[23:20] <Typos_King> I installed it, and run it :), easy
[23:20] <Typos_King> hehe
[23:20] <Typos_King> I don't use kwin though, but that's about it, you just need to run it
[23:20] <Typos_King> I could have it as autostart, but no need for it
[23:22] <wllkmbll> Typos_King: So now that I installed it what do I do? (I fail at linux in general so far)
[23:22] <Typos_King> run nm-applet, it'll load to the tray, left-click it, choose a connection :)
[23:23] <James147> wllkmbll: quit knetworkmanager (run in terminal: kquitapp knetworkmanager) then run "nm-applet"
[23:23] <zus> kwtm,  i think i have an idea?  torch said if a partition is in use it cant be deleted, but is i use my 9.04 partition from my back up drive to delete the 9.10 partion from my  primary drive  can that work?
[23:24] <James147> wllkmbll: if you find it dosn't auto load when you login you can add nm-applet to System settings -> Advanced -> Autostart
[23:24] <wllkmbll> I can't find nm-applet
[23:25] <Typos_King> that means it didn't install then :)
[23:25] <kwtm> zus: ?? Are you fiddling with partitions while you're using the computer?  I always do it by booting from CD.  Make sure you're not hibernated, but actually shut down (else the partition manager may wipe your hibernated state) and then reboot from CD.
[23:25] <James147> zus: the best way to delete a partition that is 'in use' is to use a live cd
[23:26] <kwtm> zus: Also, what I did was just install Kubuntu (that's your goal, right?) and say "use partition 8" (or whichever partition your 9.10 is on) and it will set it up for you.  You might not even need to reformat.
[23:26] <sebi`> Hi, I've tried to install KDE3 in ubuntu karmic, using the gude at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Karmic (note that I actually only need kate from the repository, since i'm running GNOME) - everything works, except kate, which crashes with a segmentation fault. :( message copypasta'd from kcrash: http://codepad.org/HOThEnnJ (text copied from #kde)
[23:26] <zus> kwtm,  i think i got it,  i hope this works, if all else fails tomorrow cant get here fast enought
[23:26] <kwtm> What's happening tomorrow?
[23:26] <sebi`> the binary at /usr/bin/kate is symlinked to /opt/kde3/bin/kate
[23:27] <zus> kwtm,  lucid lynx
[23:27] <kwtm> zus: ?? Lucid Lynx is here today.  Apr 29, no?
[23:27] <zus> the web site says  1 more day
[23:27] <zus> kwtm,  its wensday 28 here
[23:28] <zus> kwtm,  lol its the 29th some where i  guess
[23:28] <Typos_King> .
[23:28] <Typos_King> is 28th here :P
[23:28] <James147> it will be sometime soon, remember its going to be released on the 29th in one time zone :) so the actual date can vary
[23:28] <kwtm> Lucid is not released for your time zone because your time zone is not the 29th yet??
[23:28] <James147> and its been 1day for most of teh day :)
[23:28] <Typos_King> zus:  over the behring strait for that matter
[23:29] <kwtm> Can't you get it from another time zone?
[23:29] <Typos_King> and if you can fly or sail over the strait, that doesn't change the timing from where it's released :P
[23:29] <James147> kwtm: no, i mean it will be realeaed on the 29 in one time zone and be availble to all nomatter what your local time is
[23:29] <kwtm> James147: Ah.  Clearly it is not my time zone.  I guess Canonical is North America based?
[23:29] <txwikinger> !party
[23:29] <James147> kwtm: so it could be 28th or the 30th depending on how early they release it and where you live
[23:30] <zus> coudlt  you  use a proxy and use a uk server?
[23:30] <kwtm> Oh, wait, GMT is still a bit behind...
[23:30] <Typos_King> !isoutyet | txwikinger
[23:30] <James147> kwtm: my guess would be america
[23:30] <Typos_King> !outyet | txwikinger
[23:30] <sebi`> anyone? please? :/
[23:31] <Typos_King> sebi:  I don't think you can
[23:31] <Typos_King> sebi:    unless you use 8.x or 7.1, which comes with 3.5.8
[23:31] <wllkmbll> I'm still trying to figure out this network thing. I just downloaded the NetworkManager in synaptic, but I can't figure out how to run it.
[23:31] <James147> sebi`: kde3 isent really supported in karmic, any reason you cant use kde4?
[23:31] <kwtm> sebi`: Can't you see we're busy talking about time zones??? Just kidding.  I used KDE3 before.  Let me see if I can help you.
[23:32] <txwikinger> sebi`: I think kate is expecting KDE4
[23:32] <James147> wllkmbll: install "network-manager-gnome"   to get nm-applet
[23:32] <Typos_King> wllkmbll:   nm-applet; IF it installed
[23:32] <sebi`> James147: well, I just can't stand the new Kate, and I want the old kde3 kate back :P
[23:32] <Typos_King> kate?   what the?
[23:32] <Typos_King> sebi`:    just get Geany
[23:32] <Typos_King> far smaller and quicker
[23:32] <James147> sebi`: what dont you like about it? I dont find it `that` bad... :S
[23:32] <sebi`> txwikinger: are you sure? since I've installed a port, I wouldn't think of any reason for kate to expect kde4 :/
[23:32] <txwikinger> kwtm: please take the timezone discussions to the party channel
[23:33] <sebi`> compared to the old kate, kde4 is a complete mess
[23:33] <kwtm> sebi`: I see that you are using KDE3 kate, so James147 and txwikinger may not be giving fully accurate info.  I used KDE3 on my Karmic.
[23:33] <sebi`> kde4-kate*
[23:33] <sebi`> kwtm: okay
[23:33] <wllkmbll> network-manager-gnome is installed, I just don't know how to run the applet. Do I do it in Konsole?
[23:33]  * txwikinger does not have a karmic at his hand atm to check
[23:33] <Typos_King> sebi`:    just get Geany, no biggie -> http://lucavolino.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/immagine1.png
[23:33] <kwtm> sebi`: I don't have my Karmic KDE3 setup here with me (it's at home; I'm on laptop) but I can SSH in to home if need be.  I just may need to leave IRC all of a sudden without warning.  Anyway, let's see...
[23:34] <James147> wllkmbll: in konsole or press Alt+F2  and type "nm-applet" then press enter
[23:34] <zus> thanks everyone for the help suggestions and advice.
[23:34] <kwtm> sebi`: Your crash report seems to suggest that Kate-KDE3 is trying to use a KDE4 library?  (on first glance... not sure).  Do you have the entire KDE3 base installed?
[23:34] <sebi`> Typos_King: I've used geany before- it okayish, but it feels more like an IDE, than an actual editor
[23:34] <kwtm> Typos_King: Are you trying to suggest sebi` use a different software as an alternative to Kate?
[23:35] <sebi`> yes, the whole kde3 base, I've just installed kubuntu-desktop-kde3, and it installed everything right to /opt/kde3
[23:35] <Typos_King> sebi`:    and gedit, SciTE, jedit, there's a heapload of editors, nothing wrong with the IDE part either, you can run it as a simple editor, doesn't really have much of an IDE per se anyway
[23:35] <kwtm> sebi`: Okay... I've had weird problems with ktorrent randomly starting up either ktorrent-kde3 or ktorrent-kde4, so... do you also have kde4 installed, or no?
[23:36] <kwtm> Let me ssh home and see what command I'm using for kate
[23:36] <wllkmbll> It said "** (nm-applet:11731): WARNING **: <WARN>  request_name(): Could not acquire the session service as it is already taken.  Return: 3"
[23:36] <sebi`> kwtm: well yes, I do, as I've tried out kde4-kate once
[23:36] <Typos_King> kwtm:    what's so special about kate?  I have it, I don't use it, I use to, no as much really, isn't bad, isn't great, many editors can do the same things anyway
[23:36] <James147> wllkmbll: you need to kill knetwork amnager before you run nm-applet
[23:37] <sebi`> kate is awesome in is very own way
[23:37] <sebi`> it's*
[23:37] <Typos_King> wllkmbll:    yeah, that means another manager is using, knetworkmanage namely
[23:37] <kwtm> sorry, I really have a gripe against people who are asked "can you help me with ABC?" and they answer "why are you using ABC?  You should use DEF instead."
[23:37] <wllkmbll> Can you tell me the command to do so?
[23:37] <Typos_King> sebi`:   geany is awesome, and for the size, is even better :P
[23:37] <kwtm> Can you imagine a travel agent (or airline web site) and you say, "I want to buy a plane ticket to Chicago" and it says "Why are you going to CHicago?  You should go to London instead."
[23:38] <Typos_King> nuts, installing a whole suite just for 1 sole editor
[23:38] <sebi`> Typos_King: sorry, but I think I agree kwtm, as much as I appreciate your help, it's not really helping ATM
[23:38] <James147> wllkmbll: "kquitapp knetworkmanager"
[23:38] <kwtm> Let's just concentrate on helping sebi` use the software he's used to, ok?  Linux is about freedom of choice.
[23:39] <wllkmbll> It gave me an error "<unknown program name>(11732)/: "Application knetworkmanager could not be found using service org.kde.knetworkmanager and path /MainApplication.""
[23:39] <kwtm> sebi`: Okay, I'm looking at my kate-kde3, and this is weird --file size is 5420 bytes, so it must be relying on the KParts to do the job.
[23:39] <James147> kwtm: I know, just sometimes ppl choise a hard path when the feature they want isready availble... this isnt really one of those cases though but I tend to ask just incase :)
[23:39] <RnFstRuckHrd> Sorry in advance if this is a dumb question - but id there anyway I can find out what time Kubuntu 10.04 will be released tomorrow?
[23:39] <Typos_King> kwtm:    kate is the embedded deault editor for the KDE suite, so, is shipped with it, you can't quite switch around segments of the suite versions, due to dependencies discrepancies
[23:39] <sebi`> kwtm: okay, but what does that mean? :/
[23:40] <kwtm> Typos_King: I understand your general concept, but like sebi`, I have actually installed Kate-KDE3 and Kate-KDE4 at the same time and it works.  So I'll see if I can reproduce this for sebi`
[23:40] <Typos_King> kwtm:  alrite
[23:41] <Typos_King> much to do about nothing -- shakespeare
[23:41] <kwtm> sebi`: Can you do "md5sum /opt/kde3/bin/kate" please?
[23:41] <kwtm> And, question to everyone: how can I use the cmd line to see what version of KDE I'm running?  (I'm SSH'd into home and want to make sure I'm on Karmic, not Jaunty)
[23:41] <sebi`> kwtm: af740d2c4d420cb1bb131b38a665815d  /opt/kde3/bin/kate
[23:41] <Typos_King> s/to do/ado/
[23:42] <kwtm> sebi`: I have a different md5sum.  Wonder why.  Is your filesize 5420, too?  (Do "ls -l /opt/kde3/bin/kate")
[23:42] <wllkmbll> Ok, so I can't run 'nm-applet' because of the error, but 'knetworkmanager' isn't running either.
[23:42] <James147> kwtm: I would say "kde-config --version" but it just said im running 3.5.10 which i am clearly not :S
[23:43] <sebi`> kwtm: no, it's 5476
[23:43] <James147> kwtm: although kde4-config --version reported it right
[23:43] <sebi`> no idea what's going on
[23:44] <kwtm> sebi`: Okay, it may just be we have different versions, but... your filesize is also 5.4kB, which means it's using the main KDE3 libraries (supposed to).   Hmmm... not sure if removing KDE4 (leaving only KDE3) is an option.  I suspect KDE3-on-Kubuntu is buggy and has trouble coexisting.
[23:45] <kwtm> James147: Interesting: "kde-config --help" shows TWO cmd-line arguments "--version" which are for different purposes.  Wonder which one wins when you just say "--version"?
[23:45] <sebi`> kwtm: unfortunately, yes :(
[23:45] <sebi`> i'll try to remove KDE4 first
[23:46] <kwtm> sebi`: At this point I'm afraid that's all I can do realistically to help you, except to add that I use Kate-KDE3 successfully on my Kubuntu Kohabiting KDE3-and-4, so there's hope.
[23:46] <kwtm> Then sometime later we can all have this big argument about whether geany is better than vim and all that. :)
[23:46] <James147> kwtm: since i got version for kde qt and kde-config im gona say both :)
[23:46] <sebi`> kwtm: well, kde3-kate used to work well, it started to crash just about a day ago
[23:47] <sebi`> but I have no idea what could be the reason for the sudden crash, as I didn't install anything remotely kde-related the past few days
[23:47] <kwtm> sebi`: You think it's a regression (like a backport got screwed up or something)?  Maybe you can ask for help about reverting to older package versions, but I'm not good at that.
[23:47] <sebi`> i wouldn't think it's a regression, I didn't perform a update the past days
[23:48] <kwtm> sebi`: I suspect an auto-update.  So, in summary, I would: apt-get remove kde4 or whatever the command is, and if that doesn't work, check out "apt-get pin dontupgrademykde3packages" or whatever it is.
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[23:48] <sebi`> yeah, okay
[23:48] <kwtm> sebi`: Oh, you don't have automatic updates?  Then you might have used some other package that activated a KDE4 lib that overwrote something,.
[23:49] <sebi`> kwtm: possibly, but yes, I don't have automatic updates activated
[23:50] <kwtm> Wups gotta go.  Okay, more fun with KDE4 later. :P  (I'm transitioning to KDE4, myself.  Slightly painful.)
[23:51] <sebi`> hehe
[23:52] <saintly> allright
[23:53] <saintly> so i was goin thru themes on Kubuntu Netbook 9.10
[23:53] <saintly> and umm
[23:53] <saintly> all my categories, internet, system,
[23:53] <saintly> all of that dissappeared
[23:53] <saintly> whatd i do?
[23:55] <saintly> anyone home?
[23:55] <James147> saintly: did you change the desktop to "Desktop" view (right click desktop -> Activity (Desktop?) settings -> Activity > "Type:"
[23:55] <James147> saintly: the type you want is search and launce i think
[23:55] <James147> launch ^^
[23:55] <saintly> what? lol
[23:55] <saintly> <<noob
[23:56] <James147> saintly: what version of kde are you using?
[23:56] <saintly> 4.4 i think
[23:56] <saintly> i just got it today
[23:56] <James147> saintly: (any kde program -> help -> about kde)
[23:56] <saintly> ok what now?
[23:58] <wllkmbll> Everytime I try and do something to my network manager it always says I have another network manager running. How can I close all running network managers?
[23:58] <saintly> okay i got ya james thanks
[23:58] <James147> saintly: if it is kde 4.4.x then  |  right click an empty part of the desktop > Click "Desktop activity settings" > Switch to the "Activity" tab > See what "Type" is selected, change to "search and launch" to get the categories back on the desktop
[23:58] <saintly> just did that, everythings back now
[23:58] <saintly> :D ty!
[23:59] <James147> wllkmbll: "killall knetworkmanager; killall nm-applet; sudo service network-manager restart" << the last part is to make sure networkmanager isnt miss behaving
[23:59] <saintly> one more quick question, how do ya change apps again? i know theres alt tab