[00:00] <vistakiller> i still have problem with suspend
[00:00] <vistakiller> any idea?
[00:00] <vistakiller> suspend is not working
[00:00] <eremite> yofel: YOU COULD JUST HAVE FORGOTTEN ABOUT IT AND NOT BEEN A COMPLETE DICK ABOUT ONE SENTANCE.  jESUS, CHAT-NAZIS LIEK YOU ARE A SERIOUS PROBLEM.
[00:00] <fatum> I remember awhile back being able to open an FTP location from the gnome File Browser?  How do you do this?
[00:00] <addchild314> yofel, Its probably not worth it, but it just bugs me that it is the only thing thats not graphically awesome
[00:01] <SuN__> ext4 file system is stable and you may want to enjoy a new axis Ubuntu 10:04
[00:01] <Jake2|cfl> wick94: you set up irc using 'mail and chat accounts'
[00:01] <wick94> Jake2|cfl cool
[00:01] <yofel> vistakiller: erm... that tutorial a) uses deprecated settings b) is rather complicated
[00:01] <wick94> might try it
[00:01] <vistakiller> fatum the most nice programme for that work is filllezilla
[00:01] <SuN__> Why upgrade from 9.10 and 10.04, and it then reboot and ask it bootlodera long black screen monitor is off and restarts and then tried a recovery and there is also support please ...
[00:01] <wick94> brb guys
[00:01] <vistakiller> it works for me
[00:01] <vistakiller> now i have a nice boot screen :)
[00:01] <vistakiller> and with wright resolution :)
[00:02] <vistakiller> i will translate and to greek to post it to ubuntu-gr forum
[00:02] <fatum> vistakiller:  I've used File Zilla before, however I can bookmark an ftp location and edit the files directly in gedit, which is nice.
[00:02] <yofel> you could have just set the resolution with GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=... that works too, without uveafb and whatever on the kernel line
[00:02] <fatum> I forgot how to explore an ftp location in the File Browser, however.
[00:02] <vistakiller> fatum every time i try to connect to ftp server with file manager i have several problems
[00:02] <SuN__> please support
[00:03] <vistakiller> filezilla is very stable for that work
[00:03] <fatum> It worked pretty nice before, I was able to do most basic actions.  I'm unable to directly edit FTP files in gedit while using File Zilla however.
[00:03] <vistakiller> the post say that we need uveafb because the other is not working
[00:04] <yofel> vistakiller: vga16fb is used by default and works fine here
[00:04] <vistakiller> with nvidia driver?
[00:04] <yofel> yes
[00:04] <wick94> lol
[00:04] <yofel> I have
[00:05] <wick94> eremite guess wht happened?
[00:05] <yofel> GRUB_GFXMODE=1600x1200
[00:05] <yofel> GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX=1600x1200x32
[00:05] <vistakiller> i have 285gtx i see that in some nvidia cards was working
[00:05] <yofel> in my /etc/default/grub and it works fine with my nvidia 250GTS
[00:05] <eremite> wick94: no.  Just tell me.
[00:05] <vistakiller> xmm
[00:05] <yofel> it takes a while to show up though
[00:05] <vistakiller> i have to remove it then uveafb
[00:05] <wick94> eremite i installed pidgin and removed empathy and now there's no 'chat' button, lol
[00:05] <yofel> as I don't have the FRAMEBUFFER=y setting
[00:06] <yofel> I heard that it slows down boot
[00:06] <MrDowntempo> I have USB speakers. When I turn my volume all the way up in ubuntu, the speakers go all the way up. When I go down 1 click, the speakers go down like 50% and they are nigh inaudible one click lower. So even though my volumn bar is 80% full my speakers get turned all the way off. I've used another set of USB speakers and I get the same results.
[00:06] <vistakiller> is much better the boot now
[00:06] <vistakiller> with the other i have and one cifs error message
[00:06] <eremite> wick94: what :chat button" are you talking about?  Just launch the app from teh menu.
[00:06] <yofel> well, I personally don't care if I ever see the boot splash, as long as the boot is as fast as possible
[00:06] <wick94> eremite yeah
[00:07] <vistakiller> i like to just work fine yofel
[00:07] <SuN__> 1fsck
[00:07] <ZykoticK9> eremite, memenu is what wick94 referring to i believe
[00:07] <SuN__> !fsck
[00:07] <vistakiller> i dont care about nice boot or anything else
[00:07] <wick94> yep
[00:07] <vistakiller> but i dont like to see a crap screen
[00:07] <eremite> ZykoticK9: what is memenu?
[00:07] <vistakiller> now i have to fix suspend
[00:07] <vistakiller> from alpha 3 is not working
[00:07] <yofel> yeah, at least they made the kubuntu splash not look as bad now with low res, but I like to have good res ttys
[00:09] <Gerrit> I have problems getting my screen resolution right in ubuntu 10.04 (BenQ G2420HD with ATI Radeon HD 3450 showing 1024x768 instead of 1920x1080). In order to try to solve it, I wanted to boot into recovery mode and try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-org' from there in order to get at least a xorg.conf file (that I don't have and don't get if I run this in normal mode), but now I cannot get into grub at all. I hold down the left shift and/or the ...
[00:09] <Gerrit> ... right shift at boot, but I don't get into grub.
[00:09] <Gerrit> How do I get my screen resolution right? How do I get into grub? I already tried to set the screen resolution by hand using some documents on the ubuntu wiki, but this resulted in a black screen.
[00:10] <SuN__> !superblock
[00:10] <duffydack> Gerrit, using free driver or the ati driver
[00:10] <vistakiller> and i thing for suspend problem again is nvidia driver
[00:10] <Gerrit> duffydack: So far the free driver
[00:10] <ZykoticK9> SuN__, you can use "/msg ubottu !whatyourlookingfor" to get the factoids privately
[00:11] <Gerrit> duffydack: I'm new to KDE 4 and can't really find my way to the propietry driver yet. Maybe the free driver is very limited and I would need the propietry driver, but I would prefer to use the free driver.
[00:11] <SuN__> !fsck super block
[00:11] <vistakiller> i see that many have problems with suspend with nvidia binary driver
[00:11] <SuN__> fsck super block help ?
[00:12] <Gerrit> duffydack: I'm using kubuntu 10.04, I should maybe say
[00:12] <eremite> Gerrit: please read this.  I hope it helps.  http://chvnx.com/post/280205781/change-screen-resolution-in-linux-ubuntu
[00:12] <Gerrit> eremite: I will check
[00:12] <chorse> Gerrit: use the free drivers then, they are fine for basic 3d even
[00:12] <Gerrit> chorse: they should support higher resolutions than 1024x768, right?
[00:12] <eremite> Gerrit: they should support the highest resolution yoru monitor supports
[00:13] <chorse> Gerrit: yes of course
[00:13] <eremite> Gerrit: I need to hack with xrandr so that my 22' monitor isnt 600x800
[00:15] <Gerrit> eremite: I tried something like htat and I got a black screen
[00:15] <Gerrit> with xrandr and gtf
[00:15] <aweoms> hey, i've been having issues trying to noscirpt plugin for firefox working.
[00:15] <eremite> Gerrit: then the resolution you added was not native to your screen.
[00:15] <aweoms> it 'installs' but does not show up after.
[00:16] <Gerrit> eremite: I probably had the wrong frame rate, the BenQ "manual" does not mention this, how do I find it out?
[00:16] <eremite> aweoms: doenload it from Mozilla.org and then restart FF.  Then go into your ad-ons and adjust to your liking
[00:16] <Gerrit> I used instructions from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution btw
[00:17] <aweoms> tried taht
[00:17] <eremite> Gerrit: that site I linked you to, about half way down the page, has instructions on how to write your own xrandr script to fix resolutions.
[00:17] <Gerrit> Is it possible that a DVI/VGA-adapter is changing things?
[00:17] <eremite> I use 59.9 as a frame rate, always
[00:17] <Gerrit> (not a ubuntu question sorry)
[00:17] <aweoms> but looking in the .mozilla folder i don't see the files for the addon
[00:18] <eremite> aweoms: ASK MOZILLA.
[00:18] <eremite> ?
[00:18] <yofel> aweoms: how did you install it?
[00:18] <aweoms> normal method, through firefox from mozilla.org
[00:20] <aweoms> i am thinking it might have to do with permission on the folder
[00:20] <aweoms> but i could be wrong
[00:21] <aweoms> what should the permission on /home/username supposed to be like?
[00:21] <aweoms> anyone have an example?
[00:21] <eremite> r+
[00:21] <eremite> x+  **
[00:22] <Gerrit> Yay! It works!
[00:22] <Odd-rationale> rwxr-xr-x
[00:22] <Gerrit> I must have done something wrong on the last try
[00:22] <Gerrit> because I don't see what I did differently.
[00:22] <eremite> Gerrit: what did you do?
[00:22] <progre55> awesome, 1 day left =)
[00:22] <Gerrit> eremite: Well, I followed instructions that I thought were identical to the ones I followed two hours ago
[00:22] <eremite> Link me.
[00:22] <aweoms> progre55, well, i think its the folder
[00:22] <Gerrit> eremite: But there are some slight differences, that was before I installed kubuntu (was running from LiveCD)
[00:23] <lint> how do i install jave ibn ubuntu 1.04?
[00:23] <aweoms> drwxrwx--- 1 root plugdev
[00:23] <Gerrit> eremite: two hours ago: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[00:23] <aweoms> the folder is a serperate partition, and ntfs
[00:23] <Gerrit> eremite: now: (your link) http://chvnx.com/post/280205781/change-screen-resolution-in-linux-ubuntu
[00:23] <aweoms> i am trying to make it seamless between ubuntu and windows 7
[00:23] <eremite> Gerrit: My link worked?
[00:24] <progre55> aweoms: huh?
[00:24] <progre55> aweoms: what folder? )
[00:24] <Gerrit> eremite: The difference was probably that I didn't know what number to use for the refresh-rate
[00:24] <eremite> Gerrit: ah, yeah, that can be a problem.
[00:24] <Gerrit> eremite: Well, it worked now that I used 59.90 instead of 60.00, the manual for my monitor does not seem to tell me what number to use there
[00:24] <Gerrit> anyway
[00:24] <Gerrit> thanks
[00:24] <aweoms> progre55, /home/rama, but the folder is a ntfs mount point
[00:25] <eremite> No problem. Just remember that that's not a permafix.  You shoudl write a bash script and each time you log in set teh script to automatically execute.
[00:25] <yofel> aweoms: you are part of the plugdev group?
[00:26] <aweoms> yofel, yes
[00:26] <yofel> hm, this should be fine then, as you have write permissions there then
[00:27] <Gerrit> pity though that it took time, I had the impression that autodetection was quite far, I can do this but this is not very beginner-friendly/noob-friendly. Well, not the OSS developers fault I'm sure.
[00:27] <vistakiller> why in this version nvida binary driver is so crap?
[00:27] <eremite> Gerrit: its teh fault of the devs.  For sure.  Works fine with other OS' for me.  Windows and Mac work fine with this monitor.  Linux?  Not so much.
[00:27] <vistakiller> we have problems with plymouth
[00:27] <aweoms> Nope you cannot put "/home" on an NTFS partition because of permissions issues. NTFS does not have unix-like ownership and permission systems.
[00:28] <vistakiller> we have problems with suspend
[00:28] <aweoms> quote from the forums
[00:28] <yofel> vistakiller: suspend never quite worked wtih nvidia here, and plymouth issues aren't really nvidia related, it's just how plymouth works
[00:29] <vistakiller> suspend was work fine two one year+ now
[00:29] <yofel> can't test suspend right now as I changed something in the bios and now suspend doesn't even try to do anything
[00:29] <vistakiller> before two years i have problems only
[00:29] <Gerrit> eremite: I thought it would be the fault of the manufacturers that provide buggy interfaces?
[00:29] <vistakiller> same here yofel
[00:29] <vistakiller> it even tryu to do something...
[00:30] <lint> is it possible to to play yahoo games in ubuntu 10,04?
[00:31] <eremite> Gerrit: why woudl it work with other OS' but not Linux if it was a manufactoring problem?  I cannot see the line of logic in that statement.
[00:31] <eremite> Gerrit: as long as the proper drivers are installed it should work.
[00:31] <eremite> It doesnt, though./
[00:33] <nmobix> I have the problem that when I resume after suspend, the virtual terminals (CTRL+ALT+F[1...6]) are unreadable. How do I reset them to their original state. I have a HP dv5000, with an ATI X200M card?
[00:35] <bryanr> i have a problem
[00:35] <bryanr> um
[00:35] <bryanr> the VLC player is recording terrible videos
[00:35] <bryanr> how to fix?
[00:35] <ZykoticK9> lint, seems to be working in my Chromium, Firefox and Firefox (wined version) -- testing with penguin-diner-2 game
[00:38] <Gerrit> eremite: because the manufacturer might write its own working driver for Windows, but not disclose how it works
[00:38] <Gerrit> anyway, I'm off to bed, goodnight
[00:46] <JediMaster> bryanr, record something better?
[00:46] <JediMaster> =)
[00:47] <Daijoubu> Any idea why the MLT installation was built without the "motion_est" filter which enables image stabilization? And where and how can i report this to the person who built the package, and how can this be fixed?
[00:50] <rabidweezle> hey all, thought I was downloading the new LTS RC and I ended up somehow getting karmic, is there a way I can update to lucid?
[00:51] <rabidweezle> the update manager isn't showing it
[00:51] <jrib> !upgrade | rabidweezle
[00:52] <rabidweezle> thanks muchly jrib
[00:53] <Daijoubu> Any idea why the MLT installation was built without the "motion_est" filter which enables image stabilization? And where and how can i report this to the person who built the package, and how can this be fixed?
[00:55] <Daijoubu> here is the filters list that the package came with http://pastebin.com/6nR5DGEN
[00:57] <cheche> Daijoubu: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mlt/0.5.4-1
[00:58] <Daijoubu> cheche thank you
[01:05] <MrDowntempo> is it possible to manually control a laptop's fan speed?
[01:05] <acicula> MrDowntempo: sometimes yeah
[01:05] <MrDowntempo> acicula, where should I look?
[01:06] <acicula> fancontrol and lm-sensors would be a start, some laptops needs addtional mods
[01:06] <acicula> modules
[01:06] <hanasaki> in lucid where are the sun java packages?
[01:06] <acicula> hanasaki: enable partner repo
[01:06] <ZykoticK9> hanasaki, add the partner repo
[01:06] <hanasaki> ah thanks.. why were they moved?
[01:07] <MrDowntempo> acicula, don't those just report temps and speeds? not control them?
[01:08] <hanasaki> No candidate version found for sun-java6-jdk
[01:08] <hanasaki> its not in the partner
[01:09] <luis_> does anybody in here use preyproject.org
[01:09] <hanasaki> in lucid where are the sun java packages?  with the partner repo enabled it says "No candidate version found for sun-java6-jdk
[01:09] <hanasaki> "
[01:10] <acicula> MrDowntempo: fancontrol controls, lm-sensors just reports,but if it doesnt report the rpm you cant control the rpm either
[01:10] <acicula> hanasaki: enable partner repo
[01:10] <hanasaki> acicula:  I have enabled it
[01:10] <hanasaki> deb http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu karmic partner
[01:10] <hanasaki> oops wrong system
[01:10] <acicula> try lucid
[01:11] <hanasaki> ;)
[01:11] <hanasaki> bingo! howd I miss that one.  thanks folks
[01:13] <mininessie> is there anyway to make transmission download torrents faster
[01:15] <acicula> mininessie: making sure DHT is enabled and reachable can help
[01:20] <Ian_Corne> any problems with lucid in a vm?
[01:20] <Ian_Corne> known*
[01:21] <mininessie> acicula, dht ???
[01:24] <jetole> Hey guys. From what I am looking at, it looks like pacemaker doesn't have the choice between heartbeat or openais in lucid. Does anyone know if this is true and if it is does anyone know which one it decided to use (heartbeat or openais?)
[01:36] <ZykoticK9> Ian_Corne, I've seen several people mention problems with mouse/keyboard not working in VMWare.  VirtualBox PUEL having graphics issue with guest additions.  VirtualBox OSE with Lucid as host/guest working well here.
[01:41] <luis_> any screen brightness problem fixes for lenovou350, the one from 9.10 does not work
[01:41] <araujo> luis_, screen brightness problem as in ... the fn keys don't work??
[01:42] <luis_> yes
[01:42] <chillindave> Does anyone know how to completely wipe the MBR?  I installed 10.04 earlier and tried to then install Windows 7 to dual boot, but I never can get to Windows 7.  I formatted the HDD then tried installing Windows 7 first, then was going to do 10.04, but it goes to a boot rescue prompt every time no matter how many ways I try to restore the windows boot loader.
[01:42] <araujo> luis_, wait, you need to add something to your xorg.conf
[01:42] <luis_> ok
[01:42] <chillindave> So I was wondering if it's possible to completely wipe the MBR and go from there.
[01:43] <araujo> luis_, add in the 'Section "Device"', the following line:
[01:43] <araujo> Option "RegistryDwords"  "EnableBrightnessControl=1"
[01:43] <araujo> restart X and that should make the trick
[01:44] <luis_> where is section device located
[01:44] <luis_> cool another luis
[01:45] <araujo> luis_, it should be in your xorg.conf
[01:47] <luis_>  where do i find xorg.conf
[01:47] <araujo> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:47] <araujo> :P
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> luis_, /etc/X11/xorg.conf -- if it's not there you need to generate one -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file
[01:48] <juan__> hey someone hving continues disconnections using b43 open driver
[01:48] <juan__> on bcm 4312 rev01
[01:49] <juan__> on lucid lynx
[01:49] <Ian_Corne> !logs
[01:50] <juan__> so for what is this channel
[01:51] <jbuncher> Is anyone else having trouble printing from the embedded okular in kile in lucid?
[01:51] <juan__> nop
[01:51] <juan__> can someone answer me please
[01:52] <IdleOne> juan__: patience :)
[01:56] <juan__> ok
[01:56] <gsp2009> hello all.
[01:57] <gsp2009> anyone know of an app that will quickly allow me to turn off dual monitors... if I want to play a game in fullscreen, it spans both.
[01:57] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, nvidia-settings if you have nvidia
[01:58] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: I do.. but I always have to restart after making the change
[01:58] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, you shouldn't have to restart to disable a monitor - just switch from Twinview to not... forgot option - i've done this plenty on Lucid without having to restart
[01:59] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: ok... I will try it... brb
[01:59] <Zelozelos> how do i add a volume control icon to a panel?
[02:00] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: there is no way to apply the change... it seems as though it has to be written to xorg
[02:00] <MTughan> Does the Ubuntu Lucid LiveCD image support extracting straight to a USB drive then booting? Or does it require a CD?
[02:01] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: durr... drain bamage... sorry... I got it.
[02:01] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, nvidia-settings - X Server Display Configuration -- highlight one monitor, change resolution to Off.  No need to save changes etc.
[02:01] <jbuncher> MTughan, use unetbootin or the usb boot disk creator to put the iso onto the usb drive
[02:01] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: didn't see the placement of the apply button
[02:01] <juan__> hey i am using a hp mini 1000 1030nr and my battery marker is showing as if it was plugged to the cord  , when it is runnning form the battery
[02:01] <juan__> how can i fix it
[02:01] <luis_> sudo X-configure command not found
[02:01] <juan__> ?
[02:01] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: thanks... works great
[02:02] <walbert> !final
[02:02] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, glad to help
[02:02] <MTughan> jbuncher: I'm helping someone else in an OS X channel who wants to put Ubuntu (no word on version though) onto a USB drive. One solution given was to just dd it onto the drive, but that won't work.
[02:03] <yofel> luis_: it's either 'sudo X -configure' (notice the space) or write it from scratch
[02:03]  * gsp2009 is loving lucid
[02:03] <nerdy_kid> nmobix thats normal
[02:03] <Zelozelos> actually, i have the indicator applet, i want to remove the mail icon that is with it, how do i do this?
[02:03] <jbuncher> MTughan, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick  There are Mac instructions there.
[02:04] <nerdy_kid> my swap is getting used to early -- i still have 2gbs of ram available.  how to change this?  thanks
[02:04] <luis_> "X (space)-configure"
[02:05] <MTughan> jbuncher: Thanks.
[02:05] <jbuncher> nerdy_kid, You are either being bit by an xorg bug, or you need to adjust vm.swappiness  I forget where it's located, just google "vm.swappiness" and you should find it
[02:06] <yofel> nerdy_kid: are you sure you don't have some process using too much ram? I manage with 2gb and no swap here
[02:06] <djbeenie_> has anyone had any major issues with 10.4?
[02:07] <yofel> nerdy_kid, jbuncher: and it's either /proc/sys/vm/swappiness or vm.swappiness for sysctl
[02:07] <nerdy_kid> yofel  jbuncher thanks :) Xorg is going a little high (157mb) but everythings normal -- I left winXP in a VM running for a while (several hours) so i guess thats why
[02:07] <git__> When is the party?
[02:07] <yofel> git__: #ubuntu-release-party
[02:07] <juan__> me
[02:08] <johnjohn101> is it ok to upgrade 9.10 tonight or tomorrow night or should I wait?
[02:08] <juan__> battery / wifi / and software fail
[02:08] <git__> thanks yofel
[02:09] <nerdy_kid> yofel /proc/sys/vm/swappiness is 60, what is a good value to set it too?
[02:09] <yofel> nerdy_kid: and see 'man proc' for an explenation on what swappiness does
[02:09] <Zelozelos> ahaa now i remember, never mind its sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages
[02:09] <nerdy_kid> yofel ahh thanks nvm my last question then
[02:09] <yofel> nerdy_kid: 60 is usually a good default value, 0 means: don't swap unless really no ram is left
[02:11] <johnjohn101> is swapiness a new feature?
[02:11] <nerdy_kid> johnjohn101 i dont think so
[02:11] <yofel> johnjohn101: no, it's been there for quite a while
[02:11] <yofel> johnjohn101: but if you don't have a good reason to change it then don't
[02:12] <johnjohn101> seems like this is the first I've heard of it
[02:12] <nerdy_kid> yofel jbuncher thanks for your help guys :)
[02:13] <yofel_> yes, as usually you have no reason to even think about it's existance (in case you didn't get the message)
[02:14] <johnjohn101> i've been using 10.04 for so long i'm ready for 10.10...
[02:14] <nerdy_kid> lol
[02:14] <juan__> hey i am using a hp mini 1000 1030nr and my battery marker is showing as if it was plugged to the cord  , when it is runnning form the battery
[02:14] <juan__> can someone at least answet
[02:14] <juan__> thanls
[02:14] <juan__> thanks
[02:15] <juan__> change name gendo
[02:15] <yofel> johnjohn101: don't worry, maverick alpha1 is due june 3rd :P
[02:16] <johnjohn101> yofel.  Any thing interesting coming in 10.10.  9.10 was great. 10.04 is much better.
[02:16] <juan__> ipod touch suport
[02:17] <juan__> suposly
[02:17] <lucitu> kde 4.5
[02:17] <johnjohn101> what's that mean? ipod touch support?
[02:17] <juan__> yeap
[02:17] <johnjohn101> gnome 3.0?
[02:18] <nerdy_kid> johnjohn101 ARGB transparency in 10.10 i think.  Aero look :)
[02:18] <yofel> well, there's http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336 and https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Brainstorm
[02:18] <juan__> at least in many unofficial they are saying it as if they were certain
[02:18] <nerdy_kid> lucitu that should be sick
[02:18] <juan__> hey if a update from 9.10 will my kernel updadate to .32 also
[02:19] <yofel> nerdy_kid: hey, kde 4.4 is great here :P
[02:19] <johnjohn101> i wasn't keen on kde 4.4.  switched over to gnome.  like that much better
[02:19] <nerdy_kid> yofel yeah same here, but that just means 4.5 will be even better :)  maybe nepomuk will be usable lol
[02:20] <yofel> I switched from gnome to kde when 4.3 was released, I don't like gnome ayatana-editon that ubuntu uses now
[02:20] <lucitu> nerdy_kid: u mean slick?
[02:21] <nerdy_kid> lucitu yeah and that :)
[02:21] <luis_> y
[02:21] <yofel> well, nepomuk seems to work somehow here, I don't use it much tough and I had to disable strigi as it was too resource hungry
[02:21] <Am4no> I like'm both. I choose gnome or kde based on my mood
[02:21] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Hello All.  Could anyone help me figure out why Ubuntu 10.04 locks up during install?
[02:22] <nerdy_kid> yofel strigi at least need help -- always get double results searching for stuff and some of the files dont even exist
[02:22] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Details: Machine is a Dell Inspiron 9300. Video card is an nVidia 6800 Go (which I suspect as the culprit)
[02:22] <jrib> how do I get the gdm in lucid to see my ~/.xsession?  Currently, I am only offered failsafe GNOME, GNOME, and xterm for my session options at the gdm screen even though I have created a ~/.xsession
[02:23] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man have you tried booting the install in safe graphics mode?
[02:24] <Cajun_Lan_Man> nerdy_kid, I have not.  I will try that.  Also, let me add this.  It freezes at the point where you have "UBUNTU" with the 5 dots below it.  While nothing seems to work, if I press the power button, it does a soft shutdown.
[02:25] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man yeah def try the safe gfx mode, and also remove "splash" from the kernel params
[02:25] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man can get to the kernel params by first selecting safe graphics mode, then hitting the right/left arrow keys.  that will give focus to the boot params
[02:25] <Cajun_Lan_Man> nerdy_kid, will do.  If the safe gfx mode works, what do I do after the install is done? Am I trapped in "safe mode"?
[02:26] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man no after the install you would want to remove the noveou driver (the new FOSS nvidia driver) and replace it with nvidia's
[02:26] <jbuncher> Is anyone else having trouble printing from the embedded okular in kile in lucid?
[02:27] <Cajun_Lan_Man> nerdy_kid, can I do that from the hardware drivers option under system in the GUI?
[02:27] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man that would be sudo apt-get purge xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[02:27] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man then you should be able to install the nvidia drivers from under hardware drivers
[02:28] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man hope that helps :)
[02:28] <Cajun_Lan_Man> it sure does.  I appreciate the help!
[02:28] <nerdy_kid> Cajun_Lan_Man no prob :)
[02:29] <jbuncher> nerdy_kid, Cajun_Lan_Man you *really* shouldn't have to purge the nvidia driver
[02:29] <nerdy_kid> jbuncher yeah i know but just in case, might as well.  not going to hurt anything
[02:30] <johnjohn101> is it going to difficult to remove nouveau and install nvdia when i go live?
[02:31] <Cajun_Lan_Man> jbuncher, any other suggestions to try while I'm at it?
[02:32] <Cajun_Lan_Man> jbuncher, or are you just suggesting I do safe gfx then install "old" nVidia drivers?
[02:33] <jbuncher> Cajun_Lan_Man, What do you mean by old?  Should just be able to install the regular proprietary drivers.
[02:36] <trism> jrib: check out the comments in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/398300 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/475090 they seem to offer workarounds
[02:37] <Cajun_Lan_Man> jbuncher, Thanks for the info.  I appreciate it.
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Hmm...  allready starting the talk about 10.10 it seems in the blog-o-sphere. :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook to get ‘global menu’ panel
[02:50] <Pici> Dr_Willis: This channel is for Lucid disucssion, please take the discussion to #ubuntu+2
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[02:50] <Pici> Dr_Willis: (just kidding :P)
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> Whens the release date for 10.10! :)
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> what time? what exact second!
[02:51] <moderndayzero> random question but has anyone put all of the "nes,snes,n64,psx,gb.gba etc...." on lucid yet?
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> moderndayzero:  i tried the gsnesx the other day
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> it was very very SLOW for some reason on the 64bit box.
[02:52] <yofel> you know there's no time, but here's the schedule anyway :P https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[02:52] <Random832> moderndayzero: the what?
[02:52] <johnjohn101> 10.10 must be out in october, right??
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> johnjohn101:  thats the schedule.
[02:52] <Random832> you mean just the emulators , right?
[02:52] <moderndayzero> hmmm any clue on the slow down?
[02:52] <moderndayzero> yes
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> moderndayzero:  Nope. Not looked into it. not tried it on the 32bit box yet either.
[02:52]  * Random832 thought lucid had all the packages previous versions did unless any were specifically removed
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> it did not seem to be a compiz issue. and I did have the nvidia drivers properly installed.
[02:53] <Jordan_U> w00t, how long has mupen64-plus been included in the default repositories?
[02:54] <Pici> Since karmic
[02:54] <moderndayzero> yea all that worked out of the box which was awsome but im  moving all of my games to this laptop now that ive changed to 10.4 but wanted some insite on the emus before i get started
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Jordan_U:  they added those last relse i think. they put in a few differnt emus i recall.
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> 'emulators' a must have tool.. :)
[02:55] <wastrel> i installed 10.04 on a computer today
[02:55] <wastrel> using a cd
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> moderndayzero:  i had no issues on the old release/versions on 64bit. but i no longer have the old release installed so cant test it out to double chedk.
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> I will test it out later on the netbook - but thats 32bit I think
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> moderndayzero:  i may not be able to test it for a few days.  Im always in here or in #ubuntu -  Im suprised they are not working better (snes9x)  also for your own tests.. try them out under  some other window manager.
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> moderndayzero:  i proberly got that many and more.  of which i actually play like 20 :)
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> Ive not tested out mame yet in 10.04, or the other emus. just tried 2 games in snes9x
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> moderndayzero:  try wine and the other emus and see. Ive rarely needede to  - unless i liked the interface better.
[03:00] <Dr_Willis> work time for me. Bye all
[03:00] <jrib> trism: thanks
[03:01] <johnjohn101> if I have 32 bit ubuntu, can I use update manager to upgrade to 64 bit?
[03:02] <yofel> no
[03:05] <johnjohn101> is it time to head to 64 bit?
[03:05] <Zelozelos> how do i get a window i moved out of the viewing area, occasionally ill grab a window and "throw" it off screen?
[03:05] <Pici> alt+click'n'drag?
[03:05] <Zelozelos> i cant see the window at all
[03:06] <Zelozelos> usually ill just close it on docky, but i ws lookin for a way to move it back onto the screen
[03:06] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, are you asking for permission?
[03:06] <johnjohn101> i guess 32 bit will be supported for a while?
[03:07] <yofel> johnjohn101: it certainly will, especially as most of the atom cpus until recently are all 32bit
[03:12] <mininessie> 11.04
[03:15] <bjsnider> if you are on a modern desktop or laptop you should be on amd64 by now
[03:16] <mininessie> no way
[03:17] <johnjohn101> bjsnider: I think i'm going to wait until my next machine when it has six cores and 12 GB memory just to browse the web
[03:22] <edugonch> Hello I have a proble un my toshiba p500 with the headphones, when When headphones are plugged in, the speaker does not get muted automatically
[03:23] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: what sound card do you have?
[03:26] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: pastebin the output of: lspci | grep Audio
[03:28] <edugonch> http://pastebin.com/TBDr6YAz
[03:29] <bjsnider> johnjohn101, how about 64 cores and 470GB of ram just to use a console?
[03:31] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: i think the new kernel is not correctly detecting your sound card (had the same issue). we need to manually specify the model
[03:31] <DanaG> interesting... my usb sound card is even weirder than I thought it was...
[03:31] <DanaG> It goes from 0.00 to 0.14dB in steps of 0.01dB. Or so it claims.
[03:31] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: open /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base as root with a text editor
[03:31] <edugonch> ok
[03:31] <DanaG> actually, it's alsa-base.conf
[03:31] <DanaG> =þ
[03:31] <edugonch> Ready
[03:31] <Odd-rationale> yeah, sorry
[03:32] <edugonch> yes, alsa-base.conf
[03:32] <Odd-rationale> at the end of the file try adding: options snd-hda-intel model=toshiba
[03:32] <edugonch> ready
[03:32] <Odd-rationale> save the file and restart your sound system.
[03:33] <edugonch> ok, will restart now
[03:36] <gokul> Hi
[03:36] <gokul> open office in karmic showed "sun java" when starting..... but now it says "open office ORACLE" why is that so ????????
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> oracle bought sun
[03:37] <yofel> gokul: oracle bought sun
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> (where have you been?!)
[03:37] <edugonch> Hi again, did not work :(
[03:37] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: hmm. can you pastebin the output of aplay -l
[03:38] <edugonch> ok
[03:39] <edugonch> http://pastebin.com/xicquRR5
[03:40] <gokul> yofel, means that oracle bought the entire sun company !! ?
[03:42] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: that output seems a bit odd...
[03:42] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: what is the output of: cat /proc/asound/card0/codec#* | grep Codec
[03:42] <edugonch> That's all the putput
[03:42] <bjsnider> gokul, yes, oracle bought the entire sun company
[03:43] <edugonch> Codec: Conexant ID 5067
[03:43] <bjsnider> oracle was much bigger than sun to begin with
[03:43] <DanaG>   * Some idiot thought it'd be a good idea if device mapper didn't respond to "add" events, like those during boot.  Take their change out back and shoot it in the head.  LP: #561390.
[03:43] <DanaG> nice changelog.
[03:44] <bjsnider> pithiest changelog ever
[03:44] <gokul> bjsnider, thanks  for replying
[03:44] <mininessie> walter kronkite
[03:46] <DanaG> pithy?
[03:46] <DanaG> that's a word I don't use often.
[03:46] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: some searching seems like model=dell-vostro might work
[03:46] <edugonch> ok, i'll try
[03:46] <DanaG>  1.brief, forceful, and  meaningful in expression; full of vigor, substance, or meaning; terse;  forcible: a pithy observation.
[03:46] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: you can find a whole list of options to try here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1043568
[03:46] <edugonch> cool
[03:46] <edugonch> thanks :D
[03:46] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: it took me a while to find the right one for my card
[03:47] <Odd-rationale> edugonch: but, sorry, i must need to go now. let me know if you manage to solve your problem.
[03:47] <edugonch> I have a lot  of free time this night ;)
[03:47] <edugonch> Don't worry, you help me a lot with this information
[03:48] <pcrov> weird problem. on my laptop (hp pavilion 9700) when I press the hard-button to turn off the touchpad i lose keyboard input and menus stop responding until i killall gnome-panel
[03:54] <hyperstream> Hey guys, im using Ubuntu Lucid 10.4 (Alpha One), im going to be reinstalling with the latest Lucid release. How do i backup my Virtual Machines i have at current(Windows XP x2) so hey work exactly the same way on the new install (Should i backup all of my files on my XP VB's ?)
[03:54] <DanaG> hyperstream: why bother reinstalling?
[03:55] <hyperstream> Cant upgrade properly, and would prefer a fresh install(Like he new Lucid)
[03:56] <hyperstream> Whats the date today in america? 27th or 28th? Wouldnt i be better off waiting until 29th for final release?
[03:56] <bjsnider> it's night in america
[03:56] <DanaG> Tue Apr 27 19:56:33 PDT 2010
[03:57] <hyperstream> Cool, So another 2 days and ill just grab the final release :)
[03:58] <hyperstream> Would anyone happen to know how to go about 'keeping' my virtualboxes i currently have, im hoping by just keeping the harddisk images (xvd file or something along those lines)
[03:58] <hyperstream> Oh nevermind i have an answer :)
[03:58] <bjsnider> clean installing again sn't necessary unless you've got bad formatting or something like that
[03:59] <hyperstream> Well when i try and upgrade i get errors about only partial upgrade is possible and so forth
[04:01] <bjsnider> open a console. do sudo aptitude update, and then sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[04:02] <hyperstream> Ill give it a shot now
[04:02] <hyperstream> Wish me luck
[04:02] <hyperstream> :)
[04:02] <bjsnider> luck has absolutely nothing to do with it
[04:03] <hyperstream> Well in my experience something is bound to break and prevent me from using it. Although i tend to try and resolve the issue(s) still seems like a days task :)
[04:03] <hyperstream> bjsnider, thanks bud
[04:17] <leohartx> does anybody here have the download of the final version ?
[04:17] <leohartx>  does anybody here have the download link of the final version ?
[04:19] <ZykoticK9> !outyet > leohartx
[04:20] <Sichvot> does anyone know how to create a multi-session remote desktop server for 10.04?
[04:22] <BiggFREE> Hi
[04:22] <Blue11> howdy tex
[04:23] <gokul> If i use all tray to tray any window, the background of the icon is not proper.... in karmic, only the logo appeared, but now with white background..... is it possible to change this to karmic style ?
[04:24] <gokul> BiggFREE, Hi !!
[04:24] <BiggFREE> Hi gokul
[04:24] <arand> gokul: either change the theme, or remake the icon with alpha, I think..
[04:25] <BiggFREE> I am just reading
[04:25] <RegressLess> Camorama is looking for my webcam at /dev/video0, but not finding it. I have an ASUS laptop with built-in webcam. Can someone help me find it and fix the problem?
[04:26] <BiggFREE> Built-in Webcam are not the best :(
[04:26] <BiggFREE> Always problematic
[04:26] <gokul> arand, sorry, it is already filed in launchpad
[04:26] <gokul> arand, sorry
[04:26] <gokul> arand, https://bugs.launchpad.net/alltray/+bug/545852
[04:27] <RegressLess> Well it worked fine in Windows... just sayin'
[04:28] <RegressLess> can someone help me locate and identify my built-in webcam?
[04:28] <arand> gokul: Ah :) Well, still if you have some time and know, I guess a fixed icon would be welcome ;)
[04:29] <intangir> im trying to setup RAID and LVMs over 2gigs and it complains about being over some sector limit
[04:29] <intangir> partition length exceeds the loop-partition-table-imposed maximum of 4294967295
[04:30] <intangir> but i read linux volumes can go upto 8 TB
[04:30] <intangir> oops i mean im trying to make one over 2 TB
[04:30] <Blue11> intangir: i know nothing of raids but I don't think it's that much
[04:31] <Blue11> intangir: it might be filesystem dependent - what file structure are you using?
[04:32] <intangir> i didnt even define a file structure yet
[04:32] <intangir> i didnt even actually define the partition yet
[04:32] <intangir> just the free space that wouldve been available its giving me this error
[04:32] <intangir> and if i do partition it it gives the same error
[04:33] <Blue11> i am not the raid guy -- I use ext4 and have no problems on a 1 t/b usb backup drive is all I know.
[04:33] <RegressLess> can someone help me find my webcam?
[04:33] <BiggFREE> How do I update my boot loader ?
[04:33] <bullgard4> What package includes the Linux kernel documentation?
[04:34] <gokul> BiggFREE, sudo update-grub
[04:34] <RegressLess> lots of questions, not a lot of answers :(
[04:34] <BiggFREE> ty gokul
[04:34] <BiggFREE> bbl
[04:34] <BiggFREE> tc
[04:34] <Blue11> RegressLess: it it a usb cam?
[04:35] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: Please do not replace interpunction with the Enter key.
[04:35] <RegressLess> Blue11: there's a chance it may be usb internally, but it's really built in. I guess it's supposed to be at /dev/video0, but is not there.
[04:36] <Blue11> RegressLess: let me get my netbook
[04:36] <RegressLess> It's an ASUS, but not a netbook.
[04:37] <Blue11> RegressLess: yeah but my netbook has a cam I never use it but I can see what it says
[04:40] <Blue11> yeah /dev/video0
[04:50] <Zelozelos> anyone know why wine wont install paint shop pro? when i start the setup it starts and does somethin then just quits
[04:50] <Zelozelos> its almost like the msi isnt working
[04:52] <Zelozelos> it always installed just fine before i reinstalled everything
[04:56] <gokul> what will happen if i install from aptoncd debs of karmic into my lucid RC ??
[04:56] <rww> gokul: bad things that aren't supported or recommended by us
[04:57] <Blue11> !hplip
[04:59] <gokul> rww, i am going to try :-P .. i dont have a super fast internet to reinstall them ..... :P i dont care if it does harm as i am ready to reistall lucid :D
[05:00] <rww> gokul: alright. Just be aware that if you break it, you get to keep both pieces and don't get to ask for support with it here or in #ubutnu
[05:01] <gokul> rww, no, i will re install lucid RC without asking in here or there :P
[05:01] <rww> gokul: Alright. That said, good luck :)
[05:02] <pwnguin> is there a way to indicate to mountall that a particular FS depends on the network?
[05:03] <pwnguin> my sshfs mountpoint is tanking the init process =/
[05:04] <pwnguin> its unusally slow in ere
[05:05] <johnjohn101> is it ok to move from 9.10 to 10.04 or should I wait until this weekend?
[05:05] <pwnguin> johnjohn101: theres always a risk, even after this weekend
[05:05] <pwnguin> how important is the system to you?
[05:05] <gokul> johnjohn101, i moved yesterday itself! can't wait till tomo
[05:06] <pwnguin> if this is your only computer or a million dollar website server, maybe hold back ;)
[05:08] <gokul> pwnguin, ;-) nice reply :P
[05:09] <pwnguin> fwiw, _netdev is the option to list in fstab to indicate sshfs is a network mount
[05:20] <renegaid> i installed netbook remix and i cannot enable compiz effects
[05:21] <renegaid> when i install the desktop version i can enable it
[05:21] <soreau> renegaid: Pastebin the output of 'compiz &' fro your terminal to pastebin.org
[05:21] <crdlb> doesn't UNR use a special window manager?
[05:21] <ZykoticK9> renegaid, it's called Netbook Edition now - but I can't enable it on NBE either (i'm running on an old EEE 701) - it works fine in virtualbox though?
[05:22] <renegaid> i don't understand but i find the netbook edition to be much slower than the desktop
[05:23] <renegaid> but i like the way it is layed out in the netbook edition. just that it is really slow
[05:23] <soreau> renegaid: What gpu is it?
[05:24] <AgentX> !final
[05:24] <ZykoticK9> renegaid, soreau - *facepalm* -- "compiz" is not currently installed...
[05:26] <renegaid> i have the latest version
[05:26] <ZykoticK9> renegaid, the !final wasn't directed at you BTW
[05:32] <johnjohn101> starting distro update.
[05:33] <zhangchunlei> how to uninstall win 2-7Pack in ubuntu 10.04RC
[05:33] <ZykoticK9> zhangchunlei, what is "win 2-7Pack"?
[05:33] <eremite> I find that upgrading instead of installing fresh always screws up my work flow, and is seemingly more prone to bugs and conflicts with software alredy installed.
[05:33] <zhangchunlei> ZykoticK9, one theme
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> zhangchunlei, ahhh - good luck.
[05:34] <zhangchunlei> ZykoticK9, i want to delete it
[05:34] <Mblackwell> Sorry if I seem a bit off. I'm posting from text messages. Buddy of mine can't boot. Last messages are ureadahead terminating with status 5, udevd failing to create queue file, and udev terminating with status 1, respawing, then terminating with status 2
[05:34] <eremite> Why woudl anyone want Windows themes on an Ubuntu machone? *shudders*
[05:34] <eremite> machine*
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> zhangchunlei, did you install it using apt/synaptic/ubuntu-software-center?
[05:35] <Mblackwell> he'd just upgraded, and done a reboot
[05:35] <zhangchunlei> ZykoticK9, no , i download
[05:35] <Mblackwell> he can't get a console without a live cd, and he's already chrooted the partitions
[05:35] <ZykoticK9> zhangchunlei, do you have the link?
[05:35] <Mblackwell> and checked against the repository list
[05:36] <Mblackwell> (as well as reinstalled udev, plymouth, different stock kernels, etc)
[05:36] <Mblackwell> Anyone have a thought?
[05:36] <zhangchunlei> ZykoticK9, the link 0f win2-7 Pack?
[05:36] <ZykoticK9> zhangchunlei, i found it
[05:39] <ZykoticK9> zhangchunlei, I'd suggest you post on the win2-7 forum page at http://win7pack.47.forumer.com/ -- good luck.
[05:39] <zhangchunlei> ZykoticK9, thank you
[05:42] <johnjohn101> so when is 10.04.1 going to be released?
[05:43] <renegaid> i wonder why chrome isn't in software center
[05:43] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, aren't you getting a little ahead of yourself?  The release schedule only goes up to Final not past.
[05:44] <ZykoticK9> renegaid, chromium is, and after a bug i filed - searching for chrome should bring it up
[05:44] <renegaid> i already installed it from chrome website
[05:45] <ZykoticK9> renegaid, chrome is not open source, chromium the development version of chrome is OS
[05:45] <zhangchunlei> yes
[05:46] <zhangchunlei> but i use chrome
[05:46] <ZykoticK9> renegaid, as an FYI the new features appear in chromium before they appear in chrome
[05:46] <eremite> renegaid: Chrome is still in beta, I assume that's why.
[05:46] <renegaid> well there was a an ubuntu package on chrome website already installed
[05:46] <johnjohn101> zykotick9:  looks like july 29th
[05:46] <eremite> They may also not have the rights to distribute Chrome.
[05:47] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, where did you see that?
[05:47] <eremite> ZykoticK9: releases are always planned ahead of time, I believe.
[05:47] <ZykoticK9> eremite, yes but 10.04.1 is?
[05:47] <johnjohn101> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[05:48] <johnjohn101> for some reason it's on that calendar
[05:48] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, that's the 10.10 schedule
[05:48] <johnjohn101> look at july 29th
[05:48] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, eremite - MY BAD
[05:48] <johnjohn101> np
[05:49] <johnjohn101> i heard rumor that this was the last ubuntu that may have compiz
[05:49] <Zelozelos> if anyone is interested, i fig'd out what was going on with wine/psp, heres what to do if you too have the issue with an installer starting then stopping suddenly, apparently it was erroring-out, i found what the error was by opening a terminal, navigating to the location of the install file, typing "wine start setup.exe" (replace setup.exe w the setup filename you need)
[05:49] <ZykoticK9> johnjohn101, only rumour at this point - will Gnome3 be ready is the question
[05:49] <Zelozelos> it turns out it wasnt finding the temp folder where it was looking for it ;)
[05:50] <eremite> johnjohn101: It woudnt eb much of a loss if compiz wasnt available by default.
[05:50] <eremite> be*
[05:50] <Zelozelos> so i just made the folder in the right place and walla-now psp installed
[05:50] <johnjohn101> eremite:  i NEED wobbly windows and the SNOW effect
[05:50] <eremite> And fire"?
[05:51] <eremite> Seriously, water effetcs like rain drops and fire arwe useless.  Bloat.
[05:51] <johnjohn101> no girlfriend thinks it's too creepy
[05:51] <Zelozelos> hope that helps someone
[05:51] <eremite> huh?
[05:51] <ZykoticK9> in UNE in VirtualBox I get little circle indicators (on the icons in the main menu) when programs are open -- but on my native install on my EEE I don't -- any ideas?
[05:51] <eremite> johnjohn101: you may want to rephrase that, using punctuation./
[05:51] <johnjohn101> girlfriend thinks fire effects is too creepy
[05:52] <eremite> Its useless.
[05:52] <eremite> There is absolutely NO use for it.
[05:52] <johnjohn101> she says that about me as well
[05:52] <eremite> Join the club, mate.  Women are meant to hate their men.
[05:52] <eremite> Its only natural.
[05:52] <bazhang> !ot
[05:53] <johnjohn101> ok ok
[05:53] <eremite> bazhang: it was on topic, it was about compiz.  If ONE sentence OT is too much, you're need to fix your priorities.
[05:55] <rww> eremite: Your comment is sexist and inappropriate for this channel, never mind #ubuntu-offtopic.
[05:55] <rww> or #ubuntu-offtopic, never mind this channel. Or something.
[05:56] <eremite> rww: sexist?  Get bent, it was a joke. Stop crying and grow up.
[05:56] <bazhang> !attitude > eremite
[05:56] <Zelozelos> jeez people ease the hell up will ya
[05:57] <eremite> Fuck this, its no womnder everyone thinks the ops in here are a joke.  You're a laughing stoke of linux IRC.  Have fun with your dictatorship.
[05:59] <johnjohn101> so after i install the upgrade, will it keep my nvidia configuation or will it try to substitue nouveau?
[06:00] <maco> johnjohn101: nouveau is a replacement for the open source nv driver. the proprietary nvidia driver is still around
[06:00] <bazhang> johnjohn101, you'll need to reset via hardware drivers, the initial boot will be in low resolution
[06:00] <johnjohn101> thanks
[06:02] <johnjohn101> can I just leave the update running, i'm headed to bed, do I need to do anything else?
[06:03] <bazhang> a reboot at the end; it will prompt you near the end informing you that certain packages are no longer supported, so it will hang there until you acknowledge
[06:06] <intangir> im installing lucid and its been stuck at 'preparing linux-headers-... (etc)' for a LOOONG time, also my caps lock and scroll lock are flashing on and off...
[06:06] <intangir> did it crash?
[06:07] <intangir> im using the server installer
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> intangir, caps/scroll flashing is usually a bad sign
[06:07] <bazhang> intangir, fresh install or upgrade
[06:08] <bullgard4> '~$ uname -a; Linux T43 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux.' Is the kernel 2.6.32 to stay in Lucid final release?
[06:08] <x3464> "To the left, to the left, moved my damn controls with no box to the left."
[06:09] <intangir> its a frsh install.. i restarted it..
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> bullgard4, 2.6.32 will be final kernel yes - chosen as several distros will use it for long term support releases
[06:09] <intangir> this is a brand new computer, im running the ram test
[06:09] <intangir> it got to 90% before crapping out
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> !controls > x3464
[06:10] <bullgard4> ZykoticK9: Thank you very much for your help.
[06:18] <greezmunkey> init: ureadahead-other main process (2732) terminated with status 4 - in bug reports even for 9.10, What is this?
[06:20] <cowbud> Is there a palce where I can read about the build farm and how it is setup etc?
[06:25] <chillindave> Can the minimal install be ran from a USB stick?  I'm not seeing were it says it and I can't get the Startup Disk creator to accept that ISO.
[06:26] <GSF1200S> ok.. this is killing me. What is needed for screen output in relation to the kernel? My screens shut off when I kill X, and all I can do is ctrl alt delete to reboot. I would try ssh, but im also troubleshooting a bug with dhclient..
[06:36] <blue102> is ten.4 out yet
[06:36] <znxtch> Does Lucid support IPod classics?
[06:37] <znxtch> I see it has limited IPod touch support but I can get any music on my IPod touch so I guess I'm going to go buy an IPod classic.
[06:52] <almoxarife> I see that next door 'lucid' is still being considered 'not stable', it's a bit close to release for that aint it?
[06:53] <kblin> hi folks
[06:54] <rww> almoxarife: It's "not stable" in the sense that we tell users not to install development versions of Ubuntu, and it's still technically a development version. In practise, it's fine (for me, at least) at this point.
[06:55] <almoxarife> rww: seems stable here too, does nautilus still crash with the 'actions' plugin?
[06:55] <rww> almoxarife: dunno, I'm on KDE right now
[06:56] <almoxarife> I guess I can find out
[07:00] <hyperstream> When doing a safe-upgrade, (ive been prompted about a /etc/default/grub, asking me to keep mine or use package maintainers version (Im guessing this one here < ), or to view differences.
[07:00] <hyperstream> I have Windows 7 Dual booted(came with laptop Yet to have use it..) which should i choose?
[07:01] <bazhang> grub2 ie the newer one
[07:03] <hyperstream> Thanks.(I had alpha one, upgrading to the RC now :) )
[07:03] <hyperstream> But  i should always choose package maintainers version yeah? (i dont see why not)
[07:03] <bazhang> that's what I always do
[07:04] <hyperstream> Thanks bud.
[07:08] <RPG-Master> Hey, is the release candidate basically perfect?
[07:08] <Ken8521_> no, no release is "basically perfect"
[07:08] <RPG-Master> Like, nothings will be different from it and the final version?
[07:08] <hyperstream> bazhang, http://www.pastebin.org/187608 <- You wouldnt happen to know how to resolve this? i think 'heartbeat' is a required thing for Ubuntu
[07:09] <hyperstream> RPG-Master, just do a upgrade when final version is out
[07:09] <Ken8521_> RPG-Master, no, there *could* still be changes, thats why it's called a *candidate*
[07:09] <RPG-Master> OK.
[07:09] <Ken8521_> however, at this point, drastic changes are unlikely
[07:09] <intangir> well my install got all the way to preparing linux-headers again and apparently has died.
[07:09] <intangir> its been stuck at 90%.. again. for about 5 minutes
[07:10] <bazhang> hyperstream, heartbeat is optional according the the bot's info
[07:10] <hyperstream> bazhang,  ill remove it in that case, thanks will let you know how i get on.
[07:11] <hyperstream> [: 367: missing ] <-- it says this at the top of the sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[07:11] <intangir> it recovered ;) finally woot
[07:20] <perscitus> Is Lucid still on schedule?
[07:21] <Ken8521_> yes
[07:21] <perscitus> then ill install RC and update it
[07:21] <Ken8521_> that should be fine... it seems fairly stable, but it is an rc
[07:21] <perscitus> Saves me time from the massive download rush
[07:22] <Ken8521_> there's some folks who've had issues "upgrading" so make sure you're backed up
[07:22] <perscitus> How long does it take to build a cd?
[07:22] <Ken8521_> not long.. including downloading and burning, i wouldn't think more than 30min.
[07:22] <bullgard4> perscitus: I beg your pardon? What do you mean by "building" a CD?
[07:23] <perscitus> but you got kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, netbook of first two. All have to be made before noon 29th
[07:23] <rww> the release isn't scheduled down to the hour, it's not necessarily "noon" (noon where, anyway?)
[07:23] <perscitus>  oh wait. before midnight. oops
[07:23] <rww> and they also need to be QA tested, not built
[07:23] <rww> just built **
[07:23] <perscitus> Then they have to sync the mirrors
[07:25] <bullgard4> What does "ec2" stand for in the name of the DEB program package 'linux-ec2-doc'?
[07:26] <rww> bullgard4: Amazon Elastic Compute Cloud ( http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/ )
[07:26] <perscitus> Lucid has to sync with at least 92 mirrors before release.
[07:27] <rww> perscitus: a lot of that syncing is done ahead of time, though, so the servers actually only have to pull any last minute changes.
[07:27] <rww> which speeds things up immensely
[07:27] <perscitus> rww,   know how i figured out 92?
[07:28] <rww> no, and I'm not convinced it gets synced to all mirrors before release, anyway
[07:28] <perscitus> rww,   The metalink.
[07:28] <DM|> Anyone else's touchpad's edge scrolling still not working in latest build?
[07:29] <bullgard4> rww: http://aws.amazon.com/ec2/: "EC2 is designed to make web-scale computing easier for developers." Do I need this as an Ubuntu user, no developer?
[07:29] <rww> bullgard4: no
[07:29] <bullgard4> rww: Thank you for your help.
[07:29] <perscitus> rww,   Can mirrors build isos ?
[07:29] <rww> I would guess that they only actually care about syncing to the ones in http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview#Download
[07:30] <rww> perscitus: no. they get built centrally and then the .iso gets distributed out
[07:31] <perscitus> rww,   Exactly. So  Mirrors have to be sync if the iso changes. And since RC has memory leak bug, it will
[07:31] <kblin> hey folks, is it somehoe possible to buid a setup with an encrypted LVM for the system and swap, while leaving a data partition outside of the crypto disk?
[07:31] <rww> perscitus: Do you know about zsync?
[07:32] <kblin> if I do manual setup of the partitions the way I want, I can't setup the boot loader
[07:33] <perscitus> rww,   i know enough
[07:34] <rww> perscitus: non-final ISOs get uploaded to the mirrors. If something like the memory leak bug gets fixed after that, the mirrors just either zsync or do something like zsync (I forget which) the fixed iso, which would be largely the same, and thus the sync wouldn't be that slow.
[07:35] <perscitus> rww,   or rsync?
[07:36] <rww> perscitus: yeah, I forget which they actually use
[07:36] <Heliwr> the xorg memory leak has been fixed in the repositories for several days now, I don't think it would be the source of any delays
[07:36] <perscitus> rww,   All the known issue bugs are fixed released.
[07:37] <rww> I said zsync because that's what's recommended if random people want to do something similar to go from RC to final or whatever
[07:37] <perscitus> I am deciding where to upgrade or new install
[07:38] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "libplymouth --  graphical boot animation and logger." What does it log?
[07:38] <perscitus> rww,   Should i upgrade or new install Lucid?
[07:39] <rww> perscitus: no idea. I don't have much data, so I reinstall often to test new stuff, so I don't really ever upgrade.
[07:39] <perscitus> rww,   All I know is allot changed. HAL is no more for one. xorg changed
[07:41] <perscitus> rww,   I got RC copied to flash drive though
[07:41] <Ken8521_> perscitus, i know some people were reporting issues upgrading, but i think most of that is resolved(note, i think)
[07:44] <intangir> if you lazily set the swap to be way too freaking big.. a new step i didnt notice before becomes quiiiiiiite long.. the part where it wipes the swap space for security reasons..
[07:44] <perscitus> V is coming on soon so  thats my install time
[07:44] <intangir> its taken about 30 minutes now.. i just tossed all the extra space i didnt need yet to swap.. 50 gigs
[07:49] <perscitus> rww,   The DVD ISOs have April 27th timestampe
[07:52] <perscitus> intangir,  Did you use flash drive instead of a blank cd?
[07:53] <perscitus> You can buy 1gb flash drive on ebay for $2-4 . And you can use it over and over for Ubuntu 6 month release cycle
[07:55] <Ken8521_> perscitus, thats assuming your machine boots usb
[07:55] <perscitus> Most modern machines do
[07:55] <Ken8521_> perscitus, well a lot of people don't put linux on modern machines
[07:56] <perscitus> by modern, i mean within last 5 years
[07:56] <kblin> then you won't have much fun with a bloated Gnome/KDE install ;)
[07:56] <kblin> at least if your system is old enough to not boot from usb :)
[07:56] <Ken8521_> perscitus, my pc is 4yrs old, and doesn't boot usb, and it runs gnome just fine
[07:57] <perscitus> off the shelf pc?
[07:57] <Ken8521_> no
[07:57] <Ken8521_> hell no
[07:57] <Ken8521_> but all the stuff was new when i bough tit
[07:58] <perscitus> Off the self pcs should add 1-2 years to the age
[07:58] <kblin> Ken8521_: it's my impression that ubuntu is aimed at the average user, so expect things to break if you're asking for more
[07:58] <perscitus> Ken8521_,   i built my machine.
[07:59] <Ken8521_> kblin, what do ou mean?.. i didn't suggest otherwise.
[07:59] <Ken8521_> perscitus, i've not bought an off the shelf pc, in probably 12-15yrs
[07:59] <Ken8521_> last one i bought was a 400mhz Compaq
[08:00] <kblin> Ken8521_: well, the average user likely has an off the shelf pc, that likely is reasonably modern
[08:00] <perscitus> Ken8521_,   my last off the shelf was peoplepc ibm
[08:00] <perscitus> Ken8521_,   500mhz :P
[08:00] <perscitus> Ken8521_,   But i got dell mini 10v
[08:01] <Ken8521_> perscitus, well, laptops don't really count, the hardware to build a laptop isn't available to the average user, or i'd do it... i've obviously bought my laptops/netbooks
[08:01] <perscitus> Ken8521_,   I would rather build a laptop
[08:01] <perscitus> Ken8521_,   its possible now but it costs more since you need to buy parts off ebay and piece one together
[08:02] <Ken8521_> yup
[08:02] <perscitus> time to install Lucid
[08:08] <rickfisher> Hello all
[08:08] <rickfisher> Need some help on setting up Nvidia for dual screen.
[08:09] <kblin> man
[08:09] <rickfisher> anybody
[08:10] <kblin> why does grub install just fine if I use the guided partitioning, but fails to install if I tweak the partitioning to be just the way I want it
[08:11] <Jordan_U> kblin: Any error message when it fails? Can you just choose not to install grub in ubiquity and use grub-install yourself?
[08:12] <kblin> Jordan_U: it's complaining that it can't map the logical volume my system root is sitting on
[08:13] <kblin> Jordan_U: if I run grub-update in the installer shell (chrooted to /target), I'm getting the same error
[08:14] <kblin> Jordan_U: it's telling me I need to specify the --modules, but I didn't find any documentation on what modules are available
[08:14] <rickfisher> How to configure nvidia for dual screen?
[08:14] <kblin> rickfisher: nvidia-settings doesn't work?
[08:14] <Jordan_U> kblin: I think you are experiencing this bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=542435
[08:16] <Jordan_U> kblin: If so, you may be able work around it by rebooting as it seems the "fix" is in the initramfs (though I've only skimmed the bug report)
[08:18] <Jordan_U> kblin: i.e. Install Ubuntu choosing not to install grub then reboot into a liveCD and install grub: http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide
[08:19] <kblin> Jordan_U: I'll try that, thanks
[08:19] <rickfisher> kblin, No I get this message. You do not appear to be using the NVIDIA X driver.  Please edit your X configuration file (just run `nvidia-xconfig` as root), and restart the X server.
[08:20] <kblin> rickfisher: then you'll have to install the nvidia driver first
[08:21] <kblin> rickfisher: there should be a tool called "restricted driver manager" that allows you to do that, iirc
[08:21] <Jordan_U> kblin: You're welcome, if rebooting solves it do you mind commenting on that bug report that the work around in the initramfs isn't enough when installing?
[08:21] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "libplymouth --  graphical boot animation and logger." What does it log?
[08:22] <kblin> Jordan_U: I'm not sure the debian installer is affected
[08:22] <Jordan_U> kblin: Actually, since that's a debian bug report you should only comment on it if you can reproduce the problem in debian. Let me see if there is a corrosponding Ubuntu bug.
[08:22] <mvo> bullgard4: boot messages
[08:22] <rickfisher> kblin, I will try reinstalling driver. Does Ctrl ALT Backspace restart xserver?
[08:23] <Jordan_U> kblin: Are you using the LiveCD installer? Because IIRC that doesn't support installing to LVM.
[08:23] <pcrov> speaking of nvidida-settings, why does it blow out my monitor profile when i open it?
[08:23] <bullgard4> mvo: And where does it write them?
[08:23] <rickfisher> Freakin Nvidia!
[08:23] <Lazy^> Is Lucid going to be released today ? =)
[08:24] <kblin> Jordan_U: I'm using the alternate cd, which is using the debian installer, I just mean I'm not sure the debian version of the debian installer is still affected
[08:24] <Lazy^> ahh tomorrow =)
[08:24] <bullgard4> Lazy^: No.
[08:24] <Mosso> I decided to try 10.4, for my wireless device, I enter a passcode, which I know is correct, Ubuntu will attempt to connect for a few minutes then ask for the passcode again... and again, any ideas what to try from here?
[08:24] <kblin> Jordan_U: and I don't have a spare system around to try that
[08:24] <Lazy^> bullgard4: tomorrow right ?
[08:24] <rww> Lazy^: Lucid will probably come out sometime during the period where it is the 29th somewhere on the planet
[08:25] <Jeeves_> Usually around the time that the US wakes up
[08:27] <overmacht> JEEBsv; 28.04.2010 15:28pm here. it's mean I'm first?
[08:28] <overmacht> Jeeves_;
[08:31] <Jeeves_> overmacht: ?
[08:32] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "libplymouth --  graphical boot animation and logger." What does it log where?
[08:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ping-pong, Moon-Sun \o/
[08:34] <ShapeShifter499> what is cautious-launcher? its a new thing that poped up when I went to d-load itunes 9 in attempt to get it working in wine
[08:36] <acuster> Hey all, in lucid the postgresql startup script is still supposed to be in /etc/init.d/, right?
[08:53] <Zta-at-work> Will 10.04 have Firefox 3.6?
[08:53] <rww> !info firefox
[08:53] <haux> I just reinstalled Ubuntu and and updated 10.04. The volume icon is gone from the top bar... and I can't for the life of me figure out why or how to bring that back
[08:53] <rww> Zta-at-work: ^^^ yes
[08:53] <Zta-at-work> \o/
[08:53] <haux> *updated to 10.04, I meant
[08:54] <Zta-at-work> rww, thanks
[08:54] <haux> Any ideas?
[08:56] <overmacht> hauk; http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[08:57] <overmacht> haux; http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading
[08:57] <haux> I'm not asking about upgrading.
[08:58] <acuster> hauk, it's now part of the mail notification icon
[08:58] <acuster> for some reason they are mixed
[08:58] <haux> I don't have a mail notification icon
[08:58] <acuster> so you can either add that mixed thing or add the separate applet
[09:00] <acuster> hmm, the separate applet probably needs to be started by hand (i.e. it's not in the "Add to panel" dialog)
[09:00] <haux> Any ideas how to do that? Or where I can get an applet for the volume?
[09:01] <acuster> gnome-volume-control-applet
[09:01] <acuster> run that
[09:01] <acuster> (into the background, of course)
[09:03] <ahox> Hi, I have some problems with the xorg/kdm and the rescue kernel. For once, once kdm starts it does not accept any input (mouse/keyboard) and when I start it in rescue mode it just restarts on the 2.6.32 kernels. Is this a known problem?
[09:04] <ahox> And more important for me, how do I fix it?
[09:04] <ahox> actually, using an old 2.6.30 kernel at least the rescue system boots
[09:04] <acuster> Do the postgresql startup scripts still live in /etc/init.d/ ?
[09:06] <haux> acuster, I'm not very proficient in linux commands. How would I format a script to run gnome-volume-control-applet, ^Z, bg
[09:08] <acuster> hauk, no need for a script
[09:08] <acuster> applets will be reloaded into your panel on next login
[09:08] <haux> Sounds good. Thank you :]
[09:08] <acuster> so you merely need to run it (from the command line or alt-F2)
[09:08] <acuster> and it will be re-loaded next time.
[09:08] <bryanr> I have a decent amount of gigabytes on my windows 7. when i boot my computer i can pick ubuntu or win7. i am wondering how i can whipe out my windows 7 to free up all its gigabytes?
[09:09] <acuster> bryanr: you can wipe out the partition pretty easily with the Admin > disk utility application
[09:10] <bryanr> to be precise there is 105 gb
[09:10] <bryanr> is that safe acuster?
[09:10] <acuster> but that will give you a separate partition rather than add it to your current ubuntu partition
[09:10] <acuster> bryanr, no, messing with the disk is NEVER safe
[09:10] <bryanr> i want to erase the windows 7 and all of its files
[09:10] <haux> This is irrelevant to Ubuntu, but can someone recommend a good Torrent program for Gnome? KTorrent wants to install 300+ MB of KDE stuff and that seems a bit excessive.
[09:11] <acuster> haux ?transmission?
[09:11] <acuster> should be installed by default in lucid
[09:11] <bryanr> i mean i don't care about the files installed on my win7
[09:11] <ahox> actually, it only works on an 2.6.28 kernel. Any ideas why it would reboot right away on a .32 one?
[09:11] <haux> I don't think I liked it the first time I used it, but I'll try it again
[09:12] <acuster> bryanr, it seems you will have to learn a bit about how disks and partitions work; it's a pain but we all have to go through it
[09:13] <acuster> bryanr, wiping the files is easy, reusing the space demands some understanding. Probably, you currently have at least 2 partitions (you can get a list with 'sudo fdisk -l')
[09:13] <acuster> bryanr, how you choose to end up using that space depends on how you will use your computer
[09:13] <bryanr> acuster, i installed ubuntu myself but i think i found out how to format the ntfs
[09:15] <acuster> bryanr, right, there's all sorts of hard things to understand like what a master boot record is, what an 'extended' partition is, all totally un-interesting but worth knowing if you are going to be using computers seriously (such as having a dual boot machine)
[09:15]  * alvin is going to upgrade a karmic machine with a single volume on mdadm RAID1 *shudder*
[09:16] <bryanr> acuster, to be clear, in the time it takes to resize my partition to use that newly freed up space, what is the risk that something will go around? we are talking adding 100 new gigabytes theoretically
[09:16] <acuster> bryanr, if you are sure that you want to use only ubuntu, best bet might be to re-install from scratch and wipe everything.
[09:16] <bryanr> oh
[09:16] <acuster> bryanr, the re-partitioning tools have gotten quite good, the probably of failure is not huge, but the cost of failure is loosing everything, so ... it's a risky operation, always has been, always will be.
[09:17] <pcrov> so to avoid losing everything you're suggesting he wipe everything out. good plan.
[09:18] <Ken8521_> acuster, while the risk of failure might be low, it still takes an enormous amount of time, especially when reclaiming a partition of that size... if it wre me, I'd back up the drive, blitz the whole drive, and reinstall
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[09:18] <Ken8521_> holy crap
[09:18] <bryanr> odd
[09:18] <Ken8521_> sorry guys,don't know how that happened
[09:19] <Ken8521_> anyways, the point i made way above, still stands..lol
[09:19] <bryanr> i am going to put my virtual machine of win7 on the network storage device
[09:19] <Ken8521_> i think i dozed off laying on the couch, and i must have had my thumb on the space bar
[09:19] <Ken8521_> bryanr, why?
[09:20] <acuster> Ken8521_, don't tell *me* about it!
[09:20] <acuster> help bryanr if you feel like it
[09:20] <bryanr> just in-case... that way if i do have to reinstall everything i can just install ubuntu, then drag and drop the win7 and run win7 within ubuntu
[09:20] <Ken8521_> you could back it up there, but i wouldn't runn it from there.. but i guess it all depends what you want to use your virtual machine for
[09:21] <bryanr> well i don't mind moving it back to my ubuntu. i will afterall have 100 new gigs of space
[09:21] <polymorph> Hi all. if I do update-manager -d (in 9.10) I can see the new 10.04 LTS release. is this the same as will be officially released tomorrow, or is it a release candidate?
[09:21] <Ken8521_> bryanr, what do you use your virtual machine for?
[09:21] <Ken8521_> polymorph, there could still be some changes between now and tomorrow... it's a release "candidate"
[09:22] <bryanr> To develop stuff that needs windows mostly.  like the .net 4.0 or something
[09:22] <Ken8521_> but will there be anything drastic?  thati s highly unlikely
[09:22] <bryanr> mono isn't quite the same
[09:22] <Ken8521_> i see.
[09:22] <bryanr> my dad would be upset if i didn't use win7 in some way
[09:22] <Ken8521_> tell him to get over it...lol
[09:23] <Ken8521_> or buy a zune, and sync your zune on it..lol
[09:23] <bryanr> he did buy me the upgrade package. although i had xp at the time and was mislead to believe i could UPGRADE. so i had to use a vista key
[09:23] <Ken8521_> vista.. ugh
[09:23] <bryanr> i ended up spending 90 bucks to get pro version of windows 7
[09:23] <alkisg> The contents (=images) of the grub-rescue-pc are missing! It was OK in Lucid alpha, it broke recently.
[09:23] <bryanr> and its most valuable feature my hardware couldn't support
[09:24] <polymorph> Ken8521_, I was just curious - I'll probably wait a bit. Updates on release day are always painfully slow anyway!
[09:24] <Ken8521_> very true.
[09:25] <bryanr> one last question before i get going.. if things do go back, should i have a 9.10 karmic cd or a 10.04 cd from the start?
[09:25] <bryanr> baD*
[09:26] <Ken8521_> bryanr, i would
[09:26] <Ken8521_> actually, i'd probably have one of each, if you've not extensively tested 10.04, but know 9.10 is stable on your system
[09:26] <bryanr> i been running 10.04 for just today and no problems yet
[09:26] <bryanr> except the VLC recording software gives crap video
[09:27] <Ken8521_> well, only you can make that call, but i'd have something on standby that was stable, in case it went south.
[09:27] <bryanr> VLC is from the software center fy
[09:27] <acuster> Is the lucid server documentation published yet for review?
[09:28] <acuster> forget it, found it
[09:30] <bryanr> lol
[09:31] <bryanr> my windows 7 install is almost 30 gigs
[09:31] <bryanr> thats not worth my time copying over to the network storage
[09:32] <haux> On startup after upgrading to 10.04, the following error popped up: The panel encountered a problem while loading "OAFIID:GNOME_IndicatorApplet". Do you want to delete the applet from your configuration?
[09:32] <haux> I selected yes. Any ideas what this may have been regarding?
[09:33] <Ken8521_> haux, looks like indicator applet failed for some reason.. try adding it back to your panel, see what happens
[09:33] <bryanr> File system on device is busy..
[09:33] <bryanr> um
[09:33] <Ken8521_> bryanr, it's gonna take forever to reclaim 100gigs.
[09:34] <haux> oh! That was the thing with the volume control. haha, how convenient.
[09:34] <bryanr> i just formatted the entire thing instantly
[09:34] <bryanr> is it all really gone now...
[09:34] <Ken8521_> bryanr, if you formatted it, it doesn't take long at all, "resizing" to reclaim that 100gigs, would take forever
[09:35] <acuster> How do I find which package provides a particular file, or which package should provide a particular file?
[09:35] <bryanr> i am in a predicament then
[09:35] <bryanr> i guess i reinstall everything..
[09:35] <Ken8521_> whats' the predicament?
[09:35] <bryanr> i will run out of space soon
[09:35] <bryanr> but i don't care to resize everytime i need a few more gigabytes
[09:36] <bryanr> i have only like 30 left
[09:36] <bryanr> but there is 100 potential more i could have
[09:36] <Ken8521_> bryanr, how big is your linux partition, vs the partition you just cleared?
[09:36] <bryanr> one sec
[09:37] <bryanr> 105 GB for unknown and 84 gb for my ext3
[09:37] <bryanr> 11 gb for swap
[09:38] <Ken8521_> bryanr, the likelihood of you using 84gigs for Linux, is almost unthinkable.
[09:38] <chandru_in> I'm unable to get  my laptop's internal speakers working.  Output of aplay -l http://pastebin.com/fNiQQasQ.  When I install "linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic" the problem reverses and the external headphone stops working
[09:38] <Ken8521_> bryanr, here's how i have my system set up(especially if you're going to do a clean install)
[09:38] <Ken8521_> bryanr, and an 11gig swap is freaking ridiculous
[09:38] <bryanr> i heard you add like as much swap as  twice your memory
[09:39] <bryanr> i have 4 gigs of memory and so i just rounded up from 8 to 10
[09:39] <Ken8521_> bryanr, in theory, yes... but anything more than 4gigs, is ridiculous.
[09:39] <bryanr> and 1 more for good measure
[09:39] <JoshuaL> bryanr, only if you dont have enough memory
[09:39] <Ken8521_> bryanr, the chances of your machine using even 1gig of swap is slim
[09:39] <Ken8521_> you'd be fine w/ 2-3gigs...
[09:39] <kpkc> how do i prevent lucid to the lock the screen by itself ?
[09:39] <bryanr> so resize it to 3 gigs
[09:39] <bryanr> ok i will do that now
[09:40] <alvin> Some bugs could fill swap pretty quick
[09:40] <Ken8521_> bryanr, if you're going to do a clean install, why not just do it then?
[09:40]  * lapion 's system can be running for days with tvtime activity the whole time, occasionally using firefox as well, but then if I want to use the update-manager the system crashes.(hangcheck-crash) while updating or getting package information.
[09:40] <alvin> So, some extra swap can come in handy
[09:40] <bryanr> ok
[09:40] <Ken8521_> kpkc, sys/pref/screensaver
[09:40] <bryanr> Ken, so as you were saying, what is your setup like?
[09:41] <kpkc> Ken8521_, thanks.
[09:41] <bryanr> in total i have 186 gb available and am in raid zero else it would be like 300 or something
[09:41] <kpkc> Ken8521_, bye
[09:41] <bryanr> so you have an idea of my machine
[09:41] <lapion> of course I also get the crash on occasions when I am not using the update manager manually, I have never thought of checking if it started up autamatically
[09:41] <chandru_in> Does anyone ehre use this model of sound card?
[09:42] <Ken8521_> bryanr, sorry... i have a 3gig swap, 30gig / and the rest of the drive is is just a big ntfs partition... on the ntfs partition, is where i keep all my music, movies, anything I want to "keep" from release to release... then when there's a new Ubuntu release, I just clean install it over the old one, and that big ntfs partition, never gets touched.
[09:43] <lapion> Ken8521_, ntfs partitions are not safe can get lost very easily
[09:43] <Ken8521_> lapion, been doing it that way for 5yrs, never a problem.
[09:43] <bryanr> that gives me an idea then Ken. what if i just format my 98 gigs of free space to be a spare file system i drag and drop my programs on from now on?
[09:43] <lapion> Ken8521_, furthermore ntfs uses fuse-fs, and is thereby very slooooowwwwww
[09:43] <Ken8521_> i just leave it as ntfs, because ntfs takes better advantage of space
[09:43] <Ken8521_> lapion, no its not, not at all actually.
[09:44] <Ken8521_> i run my movies, music, etc.. right from that partition.
[09:44] <lapion> Ken8521_, o yes it does, I just recently changed over to ext4fs
[09:44] <Ken8521_> chandru_in, how does lspci identify that device?
[09:45] <lapion> Ken8521_, or are you using ntfs from within the kernel ?
[09:45] <acuster> has postgresql been converted to upstart in lucid?
[09:45] <Ken8521_> lapion, well, i had it ext3 and ext4 for quite some time, but switched it to ntfs for an unrelated reason, and i've noticed no performance problems at all.
[09:46] <lapion> check out the avarage load of the ntfs driver during copying
[09:46] <Ken8521_> bla bla.
[09:46] <Ken8521_> lapion, i'm teling you i have no problem w/ it, and it works fine, if you don't like it or disagree w/ me, deal with it..
[09:46] <Ken8521_> ive used both(ext3/4 and ntfs) and they were equal
[09:47] <chandru_in> Ken8521_: with the backport installed it is "Intel Corporation 5 Series/3400 Series Chipset High Definition Audio (rev 05)"
[09:47] <lapion> I don't disagree with you, I am just telling you what I recently found out......
[09:47] <Ken8521_> lapion, well, maybe youd id something wrong?
[09:47] <Jeeves_> ntfs had write support since last year, right?
[09:47] <Ken8521_> chandru_in, hmm, never heard of that one
[09:47] <Jeeves_> before it was only read-only?
[09:47] <Ken8521_> Jeeves_, longer than thta i think
[09:47] <bryanr> ok i am going to do a full re-install
[09:47] <chandru_in> Ken8521_: :(
[09:47] <bryanr> hm or maybe not
[09:47] <lapion> ntfs has been writable for years
[09:48] <Jeeves_> On Windows, yes :)
[09:48] <robin0800> bryanr: wait till tomorrow
[09:48] <lapion> at least the kernel driver had write support..
[09:48] <Ken8521_> robin0800, well, he basically has a plastic box on his desk, so i don't think he wants to wait..lol
[09:49] <bryanr> i am going to add an extra 20 gigs
[09:49] <robin0800> bryanr: well use a daily then
[09:49] <bryanr> wait um
[09:49] <Ken8521_> i think he has a cd
[09:49] <bryanr> yeah i have a cd i can boot from
[09:49] <bryanr> dang these are tough decisions
[09:50] <bryanr> i am going to get the 10.04 live cd
[09:50] <robin0800> bryanr: but if its old there will be a lot of updates
[09:50] <bryanr> hm
[09:50] <Ken8521_> bryanr, why are you stressing over this so much?
[09:50] <Ken8521_> just nuke the whole drive if thats what you want to do.
[09:50] <bryanr> i am going to try resizing first
[09:50] <robin0800> bryanr: use todays daily
[09:50] <Ken8521_> trying to resize your partitioons, to reclaim 100gigs, is going to take a lot of time
[09:51] <bryanr> 105 gigs it says actually
[09:51] <bryanr> but yeah
[09:51] <bryanr> maybe my computer will be fast at it
[09:51] <Ken8521_> lol
[09:52] <bryanr> got a site i can go to to prove that
[09:52] <bryanr> ?
[09:52] <lapion> Ken8521_, I have just confirmed the high load of the ntfs driver.. check the load of the mount.ntfs while copying files to/from ntfs drive
[09:52] <Ken8521_> lapion, i've just confirmed what you say is totally irrelevant
[09:53] <alvin> I see 'Setting up hal' during the upgrade. I thought hal was removed?
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> $ sudo ionice -c3 zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[09:53] <BUGabundo_remote> I better start now. tomorrow will be impossible
[09:53] <alvin> Must be a fat internet pipe if you need ionice for a download :-)
[09:54] <lapion> Ken8521_, please elaborate
[09:54] <Ian_Corne> BUGabundo_remote: that's why having a local public mirror helps :D
[09:55] <alvin> ~$ aptitude why hal
[09:55] <alvin> i   kubuntu-desktop Depends hal
[09:55] <alvin> That explains
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: I have one... in my very own laptop
[09:55] <alvin> So, the removal of hal is only for Ubuntu?
[09:55] <Ian_Corne> Hehe
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> Ian_Corne: $ pastebinit zsyncu
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> http://paste.ubuntu.com/423842/
[09:56] <perscitus> i just installed Lucid
[09:56] <BUGabundo_remote> alvin: when doing 4 zsyncs at once, on a laptop, where you are NX connected, I bet you need it!
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> does the live dvd install more?
[09:57] <Ian_Corne> or does it just hold more packages?
[09:57] <BUGabundo_remote> has more packages
[09:58] <BUGabundo_remote> and installs more lang packs
[09:58] <lapion> add lanbuage support
[10:00] <perscitus> DVD iso should have a bigger live cd
[10:01] <alvin> Well, the upgrade to Lucid (LVM on RAID1) actually succeeded. The boot process looks weird, and NFS pools aren't mounted by libvirt, but other than that, less trouble than I thought it would be.
[10:05] <chandru_in> Can someone tell me how to apply the diff given by HDAAnalyzer?
[10:05] <bp0> is the kernel ntfs driver being improved?
[10:06] <perscitus> My biggest problem with Lucid thus far is nv driver didnt support my monitor
[10:06] <perscitus> again.
[10:06] <perscitus> It never gave an option to use 1440x900 resolution. livecd too
[10:08] <BUGabundo_remote> perscitus: what's your bug id for that?
[10:09] <perscitus> not going to
[10:11] <BUGabundo_remote> perscitus: ??
[10:12] <perscitus> Im not filing a bug
[10:12] <WierdAAR> Hello. I just installed lucid on a laptop, and everything works fine except in wont recognize external media (Flash, external HDD ect.) Volman for thunar (xfce) is installed, and should be working. When I type "fdisk -l" i don't get any output, not even for the HDD in the computer
[10:12] <Ken8521> perscitus, what is your nvidia device that doesn't support that resolution?
[10:13] <alkisg> WierdAAR: try `sudo fdisk -l`
[10:13] <perscitus> Ken8521.->  i said NV
[10:14] <perscitus> Ken8521.->  nv is the open source driver
[10:14] <koshari> how do you enable plymouth?
[10:14] <mvk> im getting an error after upgrading to Lucid (64bit), when i start Xorg - about that it cannot load the fglrx driver for Xorg (i tried reinstalling fglrx, also from propriatary package)
[10:14] <Ken8521> perscitus, is nv the restricted driver, or the one you download from nvidia?.. cuz i'm using the one from the driver manager, and it supports all the way up to 1920x1280
[10:14] <WierdAAR> Ahh.. I been using the debian root terminal to much (forgetting sudo).. Well.. I can find the new, but the automount feature still dosen't work
[10:15] <mvk> is this a known bug, incompatibility between Xorg / fglrx xorg driver? > is there a fix?
[10:15] <perscitus> Ken8521.->  nv is open source driver.
[10:15] <perscitus> Ken8521.->  not related to nvidia or ati
[10:15] <Ken8521> ok, well, why not use the nvidia driver?
[10:15] <perscitus> mvk.->  Driver is fine.
[10:16] <mvk> perscitus, under 64bit, you sure?
[10:16] <perscitus> Ken8521.->  i dont have nvidia card :P
[10:16] <Ken8521> is it an nvidia chipset?
[10:16] <perscitus> mvk.->  well, under 32bit its fine then
[10:16] <mvk> perscitus, so you are unsure
[10:17] <perscitus> mvk.->  Could be related to upgrading.
[10:17] <perscitus> Ken8521.->  uh, I dont use nvidia
[10:17] <maja87> hi
[10:17] <maja87> i need to talk with x-server developers
[10:18] <mvk> then go #xorg
[10:18] <mvk> :D
[10:20] <perscitus> Ken8521.-> you get it yet?
[10:22] <Ken8521> perscitus, no.
[10:24] <perscitus> Ken8521.-> I use Intel based motherbooard with Intel chipset and i have ATI card.
[10:26] <Ken8521> never heard of us9ing the nv driver w/ those two devices
[10:28] <perscitus> nv not related to nvidia
[10:28] <mvk> when i try to install fglrx, i get a broken package > broken package: flgrx-amdcccle
[10:29] <mvk> removed this package + fglrx + amdcccle package, and from /var/cache as well
[10:29] <maja87> well i found a bug in the new ubuntu 10.04
[10:29] <mvk> but it stays broken, like in this topic http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461976
[10:30] <perscitus> I still cant stand the new theme. It looks like a child did the menu bar buttons.
[10:30] <BUGabundo_remote> maja87: which is ?
[10:31] <Ken8521> perscitus, i think it looks great
[10:31] <maja87> BUGabundo_remote: in acer aspire touchpad driver, with laptop mode only. When laptop is in ac power mouse work well. but with battery when is touch the pad an move my finger in the pad the  cursor is jumping en opening rightclick menus
[10:32] <lapion> perscitus, I agree with Ken8521
[10:32] <mvk> im getting a 'undefined symbol: DPMSEnable' dSwitch errror..
[10:32] <mvk> failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/fglrx_drv.so
[10:32] <BUGabundo_remote> maja87: file a bug: $ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager
[10:32] <perscitus> it's ugly
[10:33] <perscitus> Windows 7 menu buttons look better
[10:33] <perscitus> wndow buttons*
[10:34] <lapion> mvk, make sure you are running the correct kernel version
[10:35] <maja87> BUGabundo_remote: then i fonud an ther bug with nvidia gts 250 visual effekts can be hided after a start. For example the whether indicator on the taskbar can be doubled, so tehre is a double icon, but there is only 1 working icon, or a half icon, then restart and everything works well again
[10:36] <WierdAAR> Ok.. Has anybody any idea of why thunar wont automount my external media? I can mount via normal mount in terminal but I would like the automount to work
[10:36] <maja87> BUGabundo_remote: then i fonud an ther bug with nvidia gts 250 visual effekts can be hided after a start.
[10:36] <maja87> For example the whether indicator on the taskbar can be doubled, so tehre is a double icon, but there is only 1 working icon, or a half icon, then restart and everything works well again
[10:37] <dreamon> Im having 3 Acer notebook all with different Nvida graphic-card. All together are having problems with lucid nvidia-current driver.
[10:39] <BUGabundo_remote> maja87: fresh isntall or upgrade?
[10:40] <BUGabundo_remote> WierdAAR: not sure about thunar. with nautilus, its disabled in lucid. you need to change a gconf setting
[10:40] <erghezi> i have a big problem, gdm cant run everytime:(
[10:41] <erghezi> when i run gdm command in terminal
[10:41] <WierdAAR> BUGabundo_remote, I would guess thunar is pretty similar, any link to a guide or can you tell my what to change?
[10:41] <erghezi> ** (dgm-binary:1588): WARNING **: couldn't connect to system bus: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory
[10:41] <erghezi> i give above error
[10:41] <maja87> BUGabundo_remote: fresh install
[10:42] <jarnos> How did you report bugs concerning the installer again? I got in desktop where I suppose I could use ubuntu-bug and provide some logs.
[10:42] <BUGabundo_remote> WierdAAR: beats me... I only read about it once, in irc, via seb128
[10:42] <BUGabundo_remote> erghezi: file a bug, $ubuntu-bug gdm
[10:42] <WierdAAR> BUGabundo_remote, Well ok.. I will lurk thorgh google then
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> but you are NOT supposed to run it like that!!!!
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> WierdAAR: should be faster looking into gconf-editor
[10:43] <mvk> lapion, 2.6.32-21
[10:43] <mvk> should be ok (same as on my laptop..)
[10:43] <mvk> latest available lucid kernel
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> jarnos: the installer?
[10:44] <BUGabundo_remote> mvk $ uname -a Linux BluBUG 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:09:38 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[10:44] <WierdAAR> BUGabundo_remote, I seems to be a conflict with the auto login feature.. Weird
[10:44] <jarnos> BUGabundo_remote: Yes, I was trying to install Xubuntu using the destkop cd, and the installation failed in partitioning.
[10:45] <mvk> BUGabundo_remote, that is 2.6.32.21 yes ...
[10:45] <BUGabundo_remote> jarnos: talk to charlie, once he comes back
[10:45] <mvk> same as i got
[10:45] <mvk> but ati driver fails to work under 64bit, so me is cry very loud ; )
[10:45] <jarnos> BUGabundo_remote: I am pretty sure this is not Xubuntu specific.
[10:47] <mvk> anyone here running lucid lynx with ati on 64bit?
[10:48] <perscitus> mvk.->  try fresh install?
[10:48] <mvk> perscitus, but i have a setup.... for development, and if i trow it away
[10:49] <erghezi> why plymouth dont work for me yet?
[10:49] <mvk> and try to find out, just to find out it doesnt work - im screwed, therefor asking >>> ANYONE running LUCID with ATI on 64bit here?
[10:52] <lapion> last time I used the embedded ati card of my mainboard it worked fine.. unly higher resolutions ( greater then1280 ) had rpoblems
[10:52] <lapion> *problems
[10:54] <mvk> im using 4850
[11:09] <perscitus> oh
[11:09] <perscitus> I found a bug
[11:09] <bazhang> nice work
[11:10] <maja87> what kind of bug?
[11:10] <perscitus> one of those unexpected
[11:10] <perscitus> dont expect people to do
[11:10] <bazhang> nvidia blue screen?
[11:11] <red2kic> Too many explorer.exe running?
[11:11] <perscitus> bazhang.->  Remove evolution using software center
[11:11] <rww> what is buggy about this?
[11:11] <perscitus> bazhang.->  App menu item isnt removed.
[11:11] <bazhang> mplayer and vlc both display videos with a blue tint
[11:12] <bazhang> perhaps ubuntu-bug software-centre ?
[11:12] <bazhang> whoops center
[11:13] <rww> You'd probably want to see if it's reproducible in another package manager first. If so, it would be filed against evolution instead.
[11:13] <rww> app menu icons generally are the fault of the program package, not the package manager
[11:14] <perscitus> bazhang.->  thats why im going to reinstall and remove via synaptics
[11:14] <JohnFlux> are there qt 4.7 packages for ubuntu?
[11:28] <Walzmyn> When you get a kernel upgrade, isn't the install supposed to keep only 3 entries in Grub, deleting any older entires?
[11:29] <alvin> As far as I know, it keeps all entries. Could be changed of course.
[11:29] <alvin> Was there a netsplit?
[11:29] <rww> yes
[11:29] <Walzmyn> alvin: so I need to just edit it myself?
[11:29] <alvin> edit grub? No
[11:30] <alvin> Just see what kernels you want to keep and uninstall the others
[11:30] <alvin> The entries will be removed from grub
[11:30] <Walzmyn> alvin: ah. OK
[11:32] <robotti^> I am sitting on wc on Hesburger in turku finland
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> robotti^: TMI
[11:35] <maxb> Anyone know of any info concerning nvidia GPU hangs with "NVRM: Xid 13" in dmesg?
[11:36] <maxb> Also, how can I switch to an older nvidia series in lucid - jockey no longer offers that choice
[11:47] <elzapp> It is so great when stuff just works :-)
[11:47] <starplex> hi
[11:48] <starplex> why is there a default apache installation in 10.4?
[11:49] <gartral> starplex: i wasn't awear of a 10.4 >.>
[11:49] <starplex> the lucid
[11:49] <starplex> sorry
[11:49] <gartral> lol, it's 10.04 ;)
[11:49] <starplex> ah
[11:49] <rumpe1> starplex, 10.04 server?
[11:50] <starplex> no
[11:50] <starplex> desktop
[11:50] <rumpe1> i installed yesterday... no apache
[11:50] <C-S-B-N900> would it be wrong to assume that a fully updated 10.04 system is probably not that far from what we'll get tomorrow or is lts more vigerous?
[11:50] <gartral> i dont know why apache was installed, but i remember seeing it in 9.10 beta/rc so it might be that it's just installed by default to help aid webhosts
[11:50] <rumpe1> C-S-B-N900, no
[11:51] <gartral> rumpe1: answering a dual-part question with a single word is rather confusing >.>
[11:51] <rumpe1> ^^
[11:52] <Ken8521> C-S-B-N900, drastic changes at this point, are very unlikely, so the current RC, is probably very close to what will be released
[11:52] <gartral> i like the way 10.04 runs so far.. it's way more stable that jauty was
[11:52] <gartral> was/is
[11:53] <rumpe1> i like the purple
[11:53] <perscitus> I found a bug in lucid
[11:55] <gartral> i found several, only one real showstopper.. and that's lucid REFUSES to give my droid 7v 5.2a power >.< even when jaunty and windows both give correct power
[11:57] <perscitus> kinda a bug
[11:57] <c-s-b_n900> just updating my production pc, dont want the great server rush tomorrow.
[11:57] <alvin> me too. Showstopper here are LVM snapshots on RAID1. I found nobody to confirm, so I'm now outfitting another server to test bug 563895
[11:58] <gartral> alvin: ubottu just confirmed it ;)
[11:59] <alvin> You gotta love ubottu, but developers discriminate against him. He can't vote on Launchpad or confirm bugs
[12:00]  * alvin reboots after creating a snapshot on brand new Lucid install
[12:00]  * alvin 's server crashes at boot
[12:00] <alvin> ok, I call that confirmed
[12:00] <perscitus> Did they turn of bug reporting in launchpad?
[12:01] <alvin> most certainly not
[12:01] <yofel> auto-crash reporting is turned off, but that's all
[12:02] <perscitus> alvin.-> I found  minor bug.
[12:02] <yofel> perscitus: how about starting by telling us what the bug is?
[12:02] <Flynsarmy> Are all of the bugs out of hte RC yet or will it be shipping with a few?
[12:02] <perscitus> yofel.->  uh, Removing Evolution from Software doesnt remove app menu item.
[12:03] <perscitus> Software Center
[12:03] <perscitus> I know why
[12:03] <yofel> seems like you need to remove evolution-common for it to be gone
[12:04] <perscitus> yofel.->  exactly
[12:04] <perscitus> yofel.->  bad packaging
[12:04] <alvin> Flynsarmy: It's impossible to squash all the bugs
[12:04] <linards> hello
[12:05] <perscitus> Flynsarmy.->  its the 28th
[12:05] <linards> I have very VERY !!! VERY !!! urgen and kind need for support on Lucid
[12:05] <Flynsarmy> alvin, I'll reword: Are all of the known bugs out of the RC  yet or will it be shipping with a few?
[12:05] <Flynsarmy> perscitus, yes it is
[12:05] <linards> its regardind missing sound issue after upgrade from Karmic
[12:05] <perscitus> Flynsarmy.->  all the bugs arent removed from Karmic
[12:06] <rumpe1> Flynsarmy, they have to be in time so there will be known bugs left
[12:06] <perscitus> or Jaunty.
[12:06] <perscitus> Flynsarmy.->  how much about this.... All the known issue bugs are fixed.
[12:06] <perscitus> Flynsarmy.->  does that help?
[12:06] <Flynsarmy> perscitus, yes :) yes it does
[12:07] <linards> Anybody ... please .. ?
[12:07] <Flynsarmy> I've got a weird issue where the first time i go into dual screen mode iwth nvidia proprietry it ignores primary screen setting. second time onwards it obeys. hoping that'll be fixed in next one. previous versions didn't even let you dual screen without x reset
[12:08] <yofel> !patience | linards
[12:08] <perscitus> Flynsarmy.->  if you been to ubuntu.com. Looked at known issue bugs and clicked their links. launchpad would have stated each bug is Fixed Released.
[12:08] <yofel> linards: but we can try: did you check the pavucontrol settings?
[12:08] <linards> pavucontrol??? Whats that?
[12:09] <linards> well
[12:09] <yofel> linards: the volume settings (that's the only name of them that I know)
[12:09] <linards> regarding soun issue - I have checked all possible settings
[12:09] <perscitus> yofel.->  launchpad doesnt have report a bug link on homepage anymore
[12:09] <linards> I have changed every damn thing
[12:09] <linards> only sound I can get in very low volume is form my Logitch EasyCall Desktop Speakerphone
[12:09] <yofel> perscitus: ubuntu-bug evolution (and you would have found that out if you had actually read the page it links to)
[12:10] <linards> but my sound card ( Audigy LS ) is silent as dead in ubuntu
[12:10] <vistakiller> one more time i have to question the ubuntu developer team why they have add plymouth to the distro
[12:10] <vistakiller> i think in one day we will spam with many plymouth problems
[12:10] <ctw> Hi! I have an intel xenon x5550 processor and am unsure whether I should go for  the PC (Intel x86) desktop CD or the 64-bit PC
[12:10] <ctw> any advice?
[12:11] <linards> Got more than 3 GB of RAM?
[12:11] <linards> If yes, then you could
[12:11] <Flynsarmy> Final is 29th isn't it?
[12:11] <linards> y
[12:12] <perscitus> yofel.->  huh? I searched.
[12:13] <linards> Here, btw, is bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/558910 for my issue
[12:13] <perscitus> yofel.->  Evolution doesnt do bug reporting on launchpad
[12:13] <ctw> linards: thanks ... yes more than 3 GB
[12:13] <yofel> perscitus: a) you can't file bugs on http://launchpad.net you need to go to http://launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[12:14] <ctw> linards: that means I need to go for the 64 to address all of it, right?
[12:14] <linards> yeah. thats the one, ubottu
[12:14] <yofel> perscitus: want to file a bug about the ubuntu package, not about the application itself, so don't try to file it against the evolution project
[12:15] <yofel> *you want
[12:15] <lanoxx> hi can anyone tell me what the files in /etc/event.d/ are needed for, i heard they are obsolete now, since all the scripts are in /etc/init, is that correct? can i delete /etc/event.d?
[12:15] <cheche> linards: ubottu is a bot
[12:15] <perscitus> yofel.->  it's package bug so it's Ubuntu bug
[12:15] <yofel> perscitus: exactly
[12:15] <linards> hehe, well, i thought so, but - I am first time here ..
[12:15] <linards> cheche: hehe, well, i thought so, but - I am first time here ..
[12:16] <perscitus> yofel.->  or miore percisely, Lucid ubuntu
[12:16] <yofel> lanoxx: plese don't, it's not used for services anymore, but there are still things left in it, please don't delete it
[12:17] <yofel> perscitus: doesn't matter, just file it with ubuntu-bug evolution
[12:17] <linards> Too bad noone can guarantee that in Final this sound issue will be fixed
[12:17] <linards> The worst would be full reinstall of Lucid ..
[12:17] <researcher1> when will the final release become available?
[12:17] <linards> 29th ;)
[12:17] <yofel> researcher1: tomorrow (undefined time)
[12:18] <researcher1> great news.thanks
[12:18] <perscitus> yofel.->  ubuntu-bug doesnt exist
[12:18] <lanoxx> yofel, ok i see, another question, during my boot process i have one point where the system just hangs for about 5-9 seconds, is there a way to figure out what the system is doing at that point? through the logs maybe?
[12:18] <cheche> linards: take it easy. It does not mean that you will not find a work around your problem later on the next cicle
[12:18] <yofel> perscitus: did you run it from the alt+f2 run dialog or a terminal? it's a command, not an application
[12:19] <yofel> !bootchart | lanoxx
[12:19] <yofel> lanoxx: to turn it off just remove it again
[12:19] <linards> cheche - cmon man .... I am windows ( delphi ) programmer and i need music to relax after long work hours ../.
[12:19] <linards> cheche - cmon man .... I am windows ( delphi ) programmer and i need music to relax after long work hours ...
[12:19] <lanoxx> yofel, thats cool
[12:19] <lanoxx> yofel, thank you
[12:19] <linards> especially because now I plan to port few apps from Delphi to Lazarus
[12:19] <lanoxx> yofel, does bootchart produce a lot of overhead?
[12:20] <perscitus> yofel.->  never told me alt-f2
[12:20] <linards> chche - maybe you can point to necessary command lines to fully wipe out and reinstall ALSA in Lucid?
[12:21] <gartral> linards: apt-get purge alsa maybe?
[12:21] <gartral> then apt-get install
[12:21] <yofel> perscitus: sorry, I'm an alpha tester and a bit used to people in this channel just knowing what I mean, habbit :P
[12:21] <gartral> alsa*
[12:21] <cheche> linards: in ubuntu 8.04 I think that "options snd-hda-intel model=auto  " on /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base was needed to get it working.
[12:21] <linards> hm, what about dependecies?
[12:22] <yofel> lanoxx: a bit yes, but not that noticable, if anything your login gets slightly slower when it starts processing the data
[12:22] <yofel> lanoxx: in the end you'll get something like this: http://yofel.dyndns.org/ext/bootchart/yofel-eee-lucid-20100427-1.png
[12:22] <cheche> linards: ? I am talking about a work around
[12:23] <Lazy^> How safe it's upgrade from karmic -> lucid ?
[12:23] <linards> cheche, i was asking it to gartral ;)
[12:23] <linards> hmm
[12:23] <linards> well
[12:23] <linards> cheche, I will try ... but weird ...
[12:24] <lanoxx> yofel, it also installed pybootchatgui, what is that used for?
[12:24] <yofel> lanoxx: bootchart collects the data, pybootchartgui is used to render the graph
[12:24] <lanoxx> yofel, all right, i will try it
[12:25] <perscitus> yofel.->  bug 465681
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Yet another Plymouth update! :)
[12:25] <linards> I do not even have any modprobe.d in / ...
[12:26] <yofel> perscitus: did you set it to new? if yes, can you set it to confirmed instead?
[12:27] <perscitus> yofel.->  ah yes i can
[12:27] <perscitus> yofel.->  cuz i did confirm it
[12:27] <linards> linards@linards-desktop:~$ sudo apt-get purge alsa
[12:27] <linards> [sudo] password for linards:
[12:27] <linards> Reading package lists... Done
[12:27] <linards> Building dependency tree
[12:27] <linards> Reading state information... Done
[12:27] <linards> Note, selecting alsa-base instead of alsa
[12:27] <linards> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
[12:27] <linards>   pwgen libfreebob0 libfont-freetype-perl python-pygoocanvas kdelibs4c2a
[12:27] <yofel> !paste
[12:27] <linards>   docvert libqimageblitz4 libboost-regex1.38.0 libpackagekit-glib2-12
[12:27] <linards>   python-beaker hplip-cups twolame fortunes-min libdesktop-agnostic-cfg-gconf
[12:27] <linards>   kdelibs-data libgoocanvas-common python-sqlalchemy libxmu-headers
[12:27] <linards>   libknotificationitem1 openoffice.org-hyphenation-en-us liblualib50 libass3
[12:27] <linards>   libservlet2.4-java gnumeric-common fortune-mod libexiv2-5 python-nose
[12:27] <linards>   gnumeric-doc libswt-gtk-3.4-java libsqlite0-dev libphp-pclzip
[12:28] <linards>   python-gtkspell libpackagekit-qt-12 ttf-lyx sdparm libx264-67
[12:28] <linards>   mysql-server-core-5.1 librecode0 jpegoptim libdesktop-agnostic-vfs-gio
[12:28] <linards>   python-celementtree fuseiso9660 fckeditor libcelt0 libfltk1.1
[12:28] <linards>   libdesktop-agnostic-fdo-glib libavahi-qt3-1 python-sip4 libxmu-dev
[12:28] <linards>   openbsd-inetd libjline-java openoffice.org-thesaurus-en-au libwmf-bin
[12:28] <linards>   libffado1 libntlm0 libgoffice-0-8 python-packagekit libiso9660-5
[12:28] <linards>   libiso9660-7 packagekit liblcms1-dev libxml++2.6-2 proftpd-basic rhino
[12:28] <linards>   libumlib0 librsvg2-bin mjpegtools akonadi-server packagekit-backend-apt
[12:28] <linards>   python-wnck resolvconf python-elementtree liblua50 libmng-dev
[12:28] <linards>   libswt-cairo-gtk-3.4-jni gstreamer0.10-gnonlin libsensors-dev libgoocanvas3
[12:28] <linards>   optipng libgnomecups1.0-1 libswt-gtk-3.4-jni libgoffice-0-8-common
[12:28] <linards>   libswt-mozilla-gtk-3.4-jni
[12:28] <linards> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
[12:28] <linards> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[12:28] <linards>   alsa-base* ubuntu-desktop*
[12:28] <perscitus> uh mute anyone?
[12:28] <linards> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 2 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[12:28] <linards> After this operation, 545kB disk space will be freed.
[12:28] <linards> oh
[12:28] <linards> sorry
[12:28] <gartral> device collision! magic jack kills gnome instantly upon system startup! GDM and Gnome have both failed, sequcially one after the other (i tested by switching too kdm for startup) whole system freeze, either "ready" jingle (logon promt) and loading/welcome tune (actual logon)
[12:28] <yofel> perscitus: we don't have floodbot in here for some reason
[12:28] <gartral> !enter | linards
[12:29] <Dr_Willis> MagicJack? that Phone Thing?
[12:29] <rww> yofel: I believe each Floodbot can only be in control of one channel, so they'd need to start up additional instances to put them in #ubuntu+1 (and #ubuntu-offtopic, etc.), which is a pain, so they don't.
[12:29] <yofel> ah
[12:29] <perscitus> yofel.-> Sebastien guy had bad response to that bug.
[12:30] <gartral> Dr_Willis: that's correct, device plugged in at system load WILL freeze!
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  interesting.  So you are not even trying to use it.. but hjaving it plugged in  causes the system to not boot?
[12:31] <yofel> perscitus: well, not really, that *is* the exepcted resolution, it's just that it's now impossible to do that with SC
[12:31] <linards> Ok. So .... emm ... no advice or any updates to alsa / puylseaudio that may fix my and people issues with sound in Lucid for now?
[12:31] <gartral> Dr_Willis: it boots, and when it get to, specifically, GDM it WILL crash, completly. if i boot in with KDM and then load gnome, with it still plugged in, the system WILL crash, unrecoverably.
[12:32] <perscitus> yofel.->  what do you mean
[12:33] <yofel> perscitus: well, from a maintainer side the resolution is to just remove evolution and -common, you don't exactly need to stick them together, but with sofware-center this should be revised
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  interesting. Wife has one upstairs.. but im not going to wake her up to confirm the problem
[12:33] <lanoxx> yofel, ok i created it, but im not sure what to read from it
[12:33] <perscitus> yofel.->  well. not really. you can still remove evolution-common
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  the thing is a combo device thats also part 'usb flash drive' i would suspect its perhaps trying to mount it wrongly.  Be interesdting to see if you can boot to the console, and try to mount it by hand
[12:34] <perscitus> yofel.->  in SC. Scroll down a bit if you search evolution-common
[12:34] <gartral> Dr_Willis: intrestingly enough xdm/xfce kdm/kde and a custom roll of enlightenment ALL work fine.. but gdm/anything, or anything/gnome will fail hard
[12:35] <perscitus> yofel.->  but its not something a typical user would think to do.
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  Hmm. that makes it even weirder. GDM loading icewm, or xfwm would crash eh.
[12:35] <gartral> Dr_Willis: i can yes, both "drives" show up in /media/ at boot to console
[12:35] <theadmin> I experienced a very weird problem yesterday, something "caught" my keyboard. I couldn't type anything, and pressing "S" resulted in opening that shutdown menu o_O
[12:35] <gartral> Dr_Willis: i should say GDM period,
[12:35] <lanoxx> yofel, http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3951/marslucid201004281.png, could you give me a hint, what it all means??
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  yep sounds like a gdm issue. But what gdm would be doing.. ive no idea
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> yo yo yo
[12:36] <yofel> perscitus: well, if I try to search for evolution-common here I end up blank
[12:36] <yofel> lanoxx: looking
[12:36] <lanoxx> yofel, thanks
[12:36] <perscitus> yofel.->  Just have to redo the both packages. Remove removing menu item in common and put in the main one.
[12:37] <MindVirus> Hello. My GDM theme is all fuckered. Could someone help?
[12:37] <ActionParsnip> !ohmy | MindVirus
[12:37] <yofel> perscitus: unlikely, -common is for architecture independent stuff, the menu item belongs to those
[12:37] <MindVirus> I apologize.
[12:37] <perscitus> yofel.->  or add dependency
[12:37] <gartral> Dr_Willis: also, a minor linux bug as old as sand: dual eth interfaces on same lan causes issues, but doesnt in windows.. or mac os9/x or haiku/be.. in fact, the latter three see marked improvments in ping time while under high network load (like in games/download $ browsing)
[12:38] <theadmin> MindVirus: GDM is unthemable in Lucid.
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> gartral: is that bug ~2 ;)
[12:38] <MindVirus> theadmin: That is not true; GDM just uses a GTK theme.
[12:38] <perscitus> yofel.->  Dependency would be beter eh
[12:38] <theadmin> MindVirus: uuuh... oh.
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> MindVirus: theadmin: you can use epidermis to theme it, personally i wouldnt bother
[12:38] <MindVirus> theadmin: However the GTK theme my GDM uses is not what it should use.
[12:39] <MindVirus> It looks all blocky and ugly.
[12:39] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Dunno about epidermis, but me prefferes gdm2setup
[12:39] <MindVirus> I know this isn't the right theme because I have the right theme working on another computer.
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> MindVirus: its on the screen for at most 4 seconds
[12:39] <MindVirus> ActionParsnip: It is not working correctly.
[12:39] <aprilhare> hey. i upgraded my dual booting laptop to windows 7, and of course windows 7 wrote over my MBR. how do i restore grub2? was using lucid
[12:39] <gartral> ActionParsnip: when a function expected to work out of the box in every OS on the "market" even OBSCURE ones,is missing in a "popular" distro like ubuntu, let alone linux as a whole, is missing.. yes.. i call that a BUG
[12:39] <ActionParsnip> MindVirus: log a bug then
[12:39] <MindVirus> ActionParsnip: Plus I it irritates me every time I load up my computer.
[12:40] <MindVirus> ActionParsnip: There's no recommended course of action to fix?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> MindVirus: use autologin and you'll never see it :)
[12:40] <gartral> oops, i said is missin twice >.> need more coffeine
[12:40] <theadmin> aprilhare: Boot into a livecd, sudo grub-install /dev/sda1 or something, mount sda1, chroot there and sudo update-grub
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> what theme is it useing and how did you change it>
[12:40] <MindVirus> ActionParsnip: I am autologging in but with a grace of 10 seconds.
[12:40] <yofel> lanoxx: I'm not sure where it  hangs here either, the most time consuming process seems to be mysqld
[12:40] <MindVirus> Dr_Willis: I didn't change it; it's using some unknown theme that's ugly.
[12:40] <gartral> Dr_Willis: was that @ me?
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/change-gdm-login-screen-background-in.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+d0od+%28Omg%21+Ubuntu%21%29 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/change-gdm-login-screen-background-in.html
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> doh
[12:41] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: That's one long link
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/change-gdm-login-screen-background-in.html
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: google does longer ones ;)
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> actually its 2 links :)
[12:41] <MindVirus> Dr_Willis: To me?
[12:41] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: is.gd and tinyurl for help :)
[12:41] <yofel> lanoxx: and you have a fsck run in there
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> gdm2setup  = change theme and wallpaper and other things in  gdm.
[12:41] <MindVirus> Dr_Willis: I am definitely not talking about the background. The background's the only OK part.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> 'and other things'
[12:41] <aprilhare> thanks theadmin - how do i confirm /dev/sda1?
[12:42] <MindVirus> Right.
[12:42] <theadmin> aprilhare: "confirm"?
[12:42] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: absolutely, or click the link then copy the addy bar, saveshaving to copy googles extra guff they screw onto the link. its so lame
[12:42] <lanoxx> yofel, hmm, thats strange fsck should not run i guess
[12:42] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: I dunno, mehaz a is.gd addon for firefox which shortens current page url
[12:42] <aprilhare> theadmin, never mind :)
[12:43] <lanoxx> yofel, how about plymouth and mount.ntfs-3g, is that normal?
[12:43] <aprilhare> release cd is what, a day away?
[12:43] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: i see, i dont use firefox anymore
[12:43] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: There is a bookmarklet too.
[12:44] <theadmin> aprilhare: yeah
[12:44] <yofel> lanoxx: plymouth yes, ntfs should only run if you have a ntfs mount in your fstab
[12:44] <aprilhare> might wait to download the release cd
[12:44] <ActionParsnip> theadmin: i just remember to not copy the link from the google hyperlink, jeeves doesn't do that by default so no issues there
[12:45] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: Something like that there: javascript:void(location.href='http://is.gd/create.php?longurl='+encodeURIComponent(location.href))
[12:45] <lanoxx> yofel, yes i do
[12:45] <lanoxx> yofel, im just wondering if the time it takes is normal
[12:47] <yofel> lanoxx: ntfs is pretty slow, mine here isn't faster
[12:47] <lanoxx> yofel, ok thats good to know, so i need to figure out why mysql takes so much time and why fsck is running
[12:48] <lanoxx> lanoxx, my lucid takes almost 45 seconds from grub to login
[12:49] <LucidFox> My Lucid installation often doesn't see USB drives when connected, doesn't even create /dev/sd* devices.
[12:49] <LucidFox> Any ideas?
[12:49] <LucidFox> dmesg output is this:
[12:49] <LucidFox> [10496.684029] usb 2-4: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 5
[12:49] <LucidFox> [10496.896913] usb 2-4: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice
[12:50] <theadmin> LucidFox: Why do you expect them to be /dev/sd? I mean, they are usb so they are likely to be /dev/usb0 or something
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> err. a usb flash drive is normally /dev/sd##
[12:50] <theadmin> LucidFox: Does lsusb list em?
[12:50] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: oh. Well, my mistake
[12:50] <LucidFox> Well, on my *other* Lucid machine, they are /dev/sd*
[12:51] <arcsky> are there any features in ubuntu 10.04 or its just new purple color ?
[12:51] <Kabiigon> hey
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> Ive had issues with  usb flash drives not gettting automounted.. but never not 'seen' by dmesg/lsusb
[12:51] <theadmin> arcsky: lol. It's simplier to use, is faster, there is the Me Menu thing, some stuff called "PiTiVi" (didn't even open that yet)
[12:51] <gartral> how to i tell pulse that i want to clone output from main stereo too all availible outputs?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> arcsky:  everything has been updated. Check teh various ubuntu news sites for 'whats new'  blogs.
[12:51] <Kabiigon> theadmin, hi
[12:51] <LucidFox> Dr_Willis> dmesg and lsusb see them, but not udev apparently
[12:51] <theadmin> Kabiigon: huh... hi
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:   what fileystem is it? is it just some flash drives? or all of them?
[12:52] <LucidFox> Flash drives, so FAT
[12:52] <Kabiigon> wubi is giving me cant find C:\window\sysnative\bcdedit.exe any ideas
[12:52] <Kabiigon> on a fix
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> a flash drive can be ext2/3/4 others :) if yu format them as such. Heh
[12:52] <perscitus> ubuntuforums is down
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  i just tend to mount the problametic ones by hand.
[12:52] <LucidFox> Well, it doesn't even see the drive itself, let alone partitions
[12:53] <Kabiigon> perscitus, i can access it
[12:53] <gartral> Dr_Willis: why on EARTH would you dare format a flash disk with a journaling fs?!?
[12:53] <LucidFox> The problem isn't mounting, there aren't even any devices to mount
[12:53] <perscitus> Kabiigon.->  sure its not cached
[12:53] <theadmin> gartral: ext2 is not journaled ;)
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  i have a 'full' normal install on a 4gb flash drive as a  'rescue' tool.
[12:53] <Kabiigon> perscitus, im sure
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  you said lsusb saw them? dident you?
[12:54] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: He only mentioned dmesg
[12:54] <indus> is lynx release tomorrow?
[12:54] <theadmin> indus: yes
[12:54] <LucidFox> Dr_Willis> lsusb and dmesg do show them, but the /dev/sd* files are not created
[12:55] <indus> when
[12:55] <lanoxx> yofel, http://pastebin.com/rtDWNHG6, thats from daemon.log during boot time, any  idea why mysql tries an upgrade?
[12:55] <theadmin> indus: sometime
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  how about 'sudo fdisk -l' ?
[12:55] <theadmin> ubottu: isitout | indus
[12:55] <LucidFox> Dr_Willis> It won't lose any data, I hope?
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  -l = list
[12:55] <perscitus> whats alternative to vbeinfo in Lucid?
[12:55] <LucidFox> Dr_Willis> Only lists /dev/sda*, which is my HDD
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  if the things are going bad.. you may be loseing data soon..  it almost sounds like a flakey usb drive.
[12:56] <yofel> lanoxx: nope, I know pretty much nothing about how mysql works
[12:56] <LucidFox> It occurs with many USB drives, completely at random
[12:56] <LucidFox> and they mount on other systems, both Windows and Ubuntu
[12:56] <LucidFox> just not this one
[12:56] <LucidFox> used to work here in Karmic too
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  that points to perhaps a bad usb port/cable/controller.
[12:56] <theadmin> LucidFox: Sounds like a bug...
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> LucidFox:  or a bug.. test with a live cd perhaps?
[12:57] <theadmin> LucidFox: I'd report it (ubuntu-bug udev)
[12:57] <lanoxx> yofel, no problem,and thanks a lot for your help
[12:58] <LucidFox> Hmm, I won't be able to access the Internet from a live CD since my Wi-Fi card uses ndiswrapper, but I'll try booting the RC
[12:58] <alvin> hmm, is it normal that /etc/fstab does not contain a line for /dev/scd0 in a fresh install? Can someone check this?
[12:59] <LucidFox> and at least see if it mounts the USB drives
[12:59] <theadmin> LucidFox: Well, you need to run ubuntu-bug from the system you wish to report bug about, it collects some info
[12:59] <LucidFox> alvin> Do you need it? Mine doesn't, and the CD mounting is handled by whatever-lucid-uses-instead-of-HAL
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  ive no entries for my cdrom drives in fstab
[12:59] <theadmin> alvin: only sda1, sda2, sdb1, sdb2 here
[13:00] <alvin> Need it? No, this is a headless command-line only server. I will not be using the CD. Just a question. This is something new! on upgrades, the line is there
[13:00] <alvin> So, I should remove the line on upgrade?
[13:01] <Dr_Willis> comment it out if you want.. or not...
[13:01] <alvin> (btw, ubuntu-server still has hal if you use libvirt-bin. It depends on hal)
[13:01] <alvin> It's not a question of want. Apparently something changed in the way cd's are mounted
[13:01] <rye> will reappear in 30 minutes, sorry about that
[13:01] <lanoxx> yofel, one more question, how can i figure out why fsck is running?
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  they get automounted normally by the various gnome services (or whatever service) if you are not using the desktop/gui you may want to keep that line so you can mount them from the cli easially
[13:03] <alvin> Good to know, but that means it was a mistake for the installer to not put it there for a server install
[13:03] <gartral> how can i rerout audio through different ports of my 8 port full-duplex sound card?
[13:03] <patdk-wk> alvin, none of my systems list the cdrom in fstab, in lucid, or non-lucid
[13:03] <yofel> lanoxx: not sure, it might just have been a routine check, or maybe ext3 just needs that long to recover the journal, not sure
[13:03] <alvin> Hmm, weird. I'll take a look at other systems too.
[13:04] <theadmin> Mine never did, and i'z using it since interpid.
[13:04] <perscitus> How do edit lines in grub2?
[13:04] <alvin> All my systems list it, except the fresh Lucid install
[13:04] <yofel> perscitus: which lines? kernel parameters?
[13:04] <patdk-wk> oh, my hardy system lists it :)
[13:04] <alvin> I'm talking about 24 machines
[13:05] <patdk-wk> but my intrepid and karmic systems don't
[13:05] <perscitus> yofel.->  entries
[13:05] <alvin> some Jaunty, some hardy. No intrepid. Some karmic. They all list /dev/scd0 in /etc/fstab
[13:05] <lanoxx> yofel, do you know what resume and wait-for-root do?
[13:05] <yofel> perscitus: ok, and what do you want to edit about them?
[13:05] <yofel> lanoxx: no
[13:05] <patdk-wk> alvin, well I am talking about new installs
[13:06] <patdk-wk> if you upgraded hardty -> karmic, yes it's going list it
[13:06] <alvin> Apparently it is not needed anymore. I'll insert a cd and see what happens
[13:06] <patdk-wk> that isn't what it's for
[13:06] <theadmin> Which thing is responsible for the wallpaper showing? methinks it just crashed cause now I see that purple... stuff.
[13:06] <patdk-wk> it's so users can mount the cdrom, without becoming root
[13:07] <perscitus> yofel.-> Probably cant do it. I need to make Windows entry just say Windows 7.
[13:08] <ShapeShifter499> hi
[13:08] <theadmin> nevermind, it's back o_O
[13:08] <alvin> patdk-wk: but they can't. I just tried. Without the line, the cd is nowhere to be seen. Keep in mind that this is a server install
[13:09] <alvin> I can imaging gnome does something with it, but it's a server!
[13:09] <ShapeShifter499> Indicator Applet Session isn't working right, it has the power button symbol and its drop-down menu but it doesn't have my user name and its drop-down menu
[13:09] <patdk-wk> alvin, tried what?
[13:09] <alvin> You need the line to easily mount
[13:09] <alvin> well, I tried 'mount /dev/scd0
[13:09] <patdk-wk> you only need the line to mount as none-root
[13:09] <yofel> perscitus: not easily, the non-ubuntu entry names are created by /etc/grub.d/30_os-prober
[13:09] <patdk-wk> ya well, that isn't a valid mount line, if a line isn't in fstab
[13:09] <theadmin> ShapeShifter499: The "Me" menu is separate from the shutdown menu
[13:09] <alvin> Well, yes. That's the point. Why was it removed
[13:10] <patdk-wk> I hate cdroms, and dont ever use them on servers
[13:10] <ShapeShifter499> theadmin: well I can't find it
[13:10] <alvin> This makes no sense, even if you hate cdroms
[13:10] <patdk-wk> dunno why anyone would use a cdrom these days on a server at all
[13:10] <yofel> alvin: the line should be there, if the driver was present on install-time
[13:10] <alvin> to install software?
[13:10] <patdk-wk> why? servers shouldn't need a cdrom ever, after install
[13:10] <perscitus> yofel.->  i did it before but im to lazy to look for it
[13:10] <yofel> *drive
[13:10] <alvin> yofel: it is a fresh install from cd
[13:10] <yofel> odd then
[13:11] <Thraul> With the new release about what time will it be released on the 29th April? I am in Australia and not sure of the time difference :)
[13:11] <twiztid> so will comipz-fusion, KMS, and flash coexist with ATI in lucid???
[13:11] <theadmin> Thraul: That is unknown
[13:11] <Dr-Ubuntu> i use the cd rom player to hold my coffee cup while im banging the receptionist in the server room
[13:11] <alvin> The line for /dev/fd0 is there
[13:11] <theadmin> Dr-Ubuntu: o_O
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> Servers normally dont have Optical drives :)
[13:11] <ShapeShifter499> theadmin: how do I get it back?
[13:11] <alvin> Well, there you have a use
[13:12] <janmalte> is there anything to do for a simple k/ubuntu user to help ?
[13:12] <theadmin> janmalte: hm?
[13:12] <red2kic> Thraul: It'll come when it'll come. If anything, you should take a nap all day tomorrow.
[13:12] <alvin> Where are you people getting that nonsense? I admin a lot of servers, and they all (ok, except 2) have cdrom drives!
[13:12] <theadmin> ShapeShifter499: dunno
[13:12] <Thraul> lol so it wont be released at 12 midnight Pacific Time 29th April lol
[13:13] <patdk-wk> alvin, I admin craploads of racks of servers, none of them have a cdrom
[13:13] <gartral> Dr_Willis: every system i've ever manned, server or personal, unless it's a netbook/top it has a cd >.<
[13:13] <red2kic> Thraul: Right. It could get released at 4pm in the afternoon.
[13:13] <janmalte> if i can i would help for the release tomorrow
[13:13] <patdk-wk> this computer here doesn't have a cdrom, it's my workstation
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> gartral:   You are behind in the times! :0
[13:14] <patdk-wk> all my servers are installed via pxe boot
[13:14]  * Dr_Willis rips out optical drives to make moar room for 1+TB hard drives
[13:14] <theadmin> Mine doesn't have a CD drive, but that is connected via USB
[13:14] <twiztid> anyone that has ATI have any problems with compiz running AND web browser video streaming at the same time? if not, is KMS enabled or not?
[13:14] <Thraul> ok so just keep watching the inbox for a release email then :D
[13:15] <theadmin> Thraul: Where'd that come from o_O
[13:15] <ShapeShifter499> g2g bye
[13:15] <patdk-wk> no updates today :(
[13:15] <Thraul> join the ubuntu-releases email list :) hehe
[13:16] <patdk-wk> Thraul, isn't it suppost to be in line 24hours?
[13:16] <twiztid> any ATI/Lucid users in here?
[13:16] <patdk-wk> that is awhile to wait
[13:16] <theadmin> twiztid: Yeah, me
[13:16] <frxstrem> is the release candidate stable enough to upgrade today isntead of tomorrow?
[13:16] <theadmin> frxstrem: Check the RC page and decide for yourself
[13:16] <janmalte> frxstrem: no :)
[13:16] <twiztid> nice, may i ask how well your firefox streams video?
[13:17] <twiztid> if you use ff
[13:17] <theadmin> twiztid: Well, depends on the site. Youtube is fine, vimeo is horrible.
[13:17] <twiztid> gotcha, and are you on the open source ati driver?
[13:18] <overmacht> !lucid
[13:18] <Thraul> yeah but when on the 29th will it be available that is the question....as I am a member of the ubuntu-announce mailing list I will get an email when it will be available for download....hehe
[13:18] <theadmin> twiztid: I'd guess so, didn't install any additional ones, it works outta teh box
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> Thraul:  the servers will b4e so overloaded.. you wont get an email till next week
[13:19] <Thraul> damn :) so I can't jump the gun then
[13:19] <twiztid> nice, you know if kms is on by default or did you have to add the modset=1 thang?
[13:19] <theadmin> twiztid: As for that, I have no idea who on earth kms even is
[13:19] <theadmin> ubottu: who | twiztid
[13:19] <theadmin> ahem, ubottu.
[13:20] <tsimpson> give it time
[13:20] <twiztid> Kernel Mode Setting, where its the kernels job to apply the video settings and NOT xorg
[13:20] <theadmin> twiztid: Oh, I guess i have that off.
[13:20] <RayJohns> hi
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> Yea. setting up apt-cacher-ng - is so handy when youa re going to update a lot of machines. :)  glad i rembered to do it this time!
[13:20] <RayJohns> having a problem with an SATA controller... specifically the Silicon Image 3114
[13:21] <fromspace> when will the final version get rlsd ?
[13:21] <patdk-wk> RayJohns, that is nice
[13:21] <theadmin> fromspace: tommorow
[13:21] <fromspace> nice
[13:21] <RayJohns> anyone have any ideas how to get it to boot
[13:21] <twiztid> theadmin: cool cool, u runnin max effects and compiz?    _sry ubottu_ =P
[13:21] <RayJohns> i'm using 10.04-RC
[13:21] <fromspace> was wondering if anyone knows some mirrors where it got 'leaked' :D
[13:21] <theadmin> twiztid: due to fact that I have 512 MB ram, I have compiz off.
[13:21] <RayJohns> it boots up, but ends up in the shell prompt
[13:22] <RayJohns> so I'm assuming there is no module for sata_sil compiled into the standard kernel
[13:22] <RayJohns> ?
[13:22] <yofel> the most similiar thing to a leaked iso would be the daily build
[13:22] <Grimdin> is release tomorrow or friday?
[13:22] <jrib> Grimdin: the 29th of april
[13:22] <theadmin> Grimdin: tommorow. Why do people never read the topic?
[13:22] <overmacht> friday
[13:23] <twiztid> theadmin: fair enough... thank you very much for your input! take care all
[13:23] <Grimdin> ok, thx
[13:23] <patdk-wk> if I remember right, karmic came out at 2pm my time, so about 30hours from now
[13:23] <Pici> !isitout
[13:23] <theadmin> what the.
[13:23] <theadmin> It set update manager to that only LTS mode o_O
[13:24] <rww> theadmin: what did?
[13:24] <theadmin> rww: I think it was the update and I just didn't notice it
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> I wonder if it has any effect keep telling ppl to zsync a daily and then upgrade tom final release :|
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> if anyone wants it, here is my cheat code  $ pastebinit zsyncu: http://paste.ubuntu.com/423842/
[13:26] <theadmin> BUGabundo_remote: What's the point, get the RC and keep up-to-date
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> BUGabundo_remote:  then what to do tomorrow? :) we all want to seed it 1000 times!
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: you can still seed it!
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> just point the torrent to the file and let it re-hash it
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> will my isp complain at me using torrents in a LEGAL way. :)
[13:27] <overmacht> Dr_Willis; nice
[13:27] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: heh :D I use torrents now and then both legally and illegally, nobody complains so far
[13:27]  * Dr_Willis reports theadmin  to the ASPCA :)
[13:27]  * patdk-wk reports to his wife
[13:27]  * theadmin wonders what on earth that even is
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> its freedom of speace! that makes it ok.
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> 'ubuntu is free as in speech' :)
[13:28]  * theadmin likes "Free as in freedom" better
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> 'free as in sex'  :P
[13:28] <theadmin> o_O
[13:28] <Dr_Willis> but then i would never.. err... never mind.. :)
[13:29] <overmacht> nice
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> Place bets on the top 10 questions after its relased for tomorrow.. :)
[13:29] <fromspace> so if i install the RC now will it get updated to the final version?
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> #1  = how to move the buttons back to the left.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> fromspace: 's question is ging to be FAQ #2 i bet.
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> fromspace:  yes. you will
[13:30] <theadmin> fromspace: yeah
[13:30] <fromspace> ok thx
[13:30] <rww> factoids for both of these :)
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> Yep. better get them ready
[13:30] <RayJohns> is there a new release coming out tomorrow?
[13:30] <rww> i forget #2;s, but #1 is !controls
[13:30] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: And what's the point in moving buttons back to the left o_O
[13:30] <theadmin> ubottu: controls | Let's check...
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  i am on the netbook edition here.  the X is n the middle :)
[13:31] <rww> !search up-to-date
[13:31] <rww> !already
[13:31] <rww> lolwat
[13:31] <theadmin> ...o_O
[13:31] <theadmin> rofl
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> the factoids need updating
[13:31] <Dr_Willis> !search RC
[13:32] <yofel> !final
[13:32] <rww> there we go
[13:32] <An_Ony_Moose> how can I reinstall grub from a live CD?
[13:32] <rww> !no, already is <alias> final
[13:33] <tsimpson> !already
[13:33] <rww> ty
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> !grub2 | An_Ony_Moose
[13:34] <theadmin> What's the difference between update and dist-upgrade anyway :/
[13:34] <rww> !dist-upgrade
[13:34] <An_Ony_Moose> theadmin, update updates the package archive
[13:34] <theadmin> rww: I see
[13:34] <Dr_Willis> Ones more hardcore :)
[13:34] <theadmin> An_Ony_Moose: err, upgrade
[13:34] <RayJohns> do any of you guys have experience with compiling in modules to the kernel ?
[13:34] <Italian_Plumber> update looks for updates and upgrade does them
[13:34] <RayJohns> for the boot image?
[13:35] <gartral> how do i reload my PATH without relogging after editing .bashrc?
[13:35] <yofel> RayJohns: add those that you need to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and run 'sudo update-initramfs -u'
[13:35] <theadmin> gartral: .bashrc requires just a terminal restart. You may, however, also issue "source .bashrc"
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  source .bashrc      is one way
[13:35] <Dr_Willis>  . = alias to 'source'   ->   . .bashrc
[13:36] <yofel> RayJohns: compiling in modules would require a image rebuild
[13:36] <gartral> bash: /home/gareth/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory
[13:36] <gartral> odddd
[13:36] <RayJohns> yofel.. is there a config file where you sell it what suppor to include in the kernel?
[13:36] <Dr_Willis>  sounds like you got some typos or did somthing wrong gartral
[13:36] <RayJohns> I have only ever done this on freebsd
[13:37] <gartral> $PATH = "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3"
[13:37] <RayJohns> is there an image floating around with all the modules in it that i can just copy to the boot drive?
[13:37] <theadmin> gartral: what the... that's not how you set PATH
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  if you want to SET a variable you dont use $BAR
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> BAR = '100'
[13:37] <theadmin> gartal: export PATH = "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3"
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> not $BAR = '100'
[13:38] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: don't forget export in this case too
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> export is needed if you want the child processes..
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> so its not required.. but often used.
[13:38] <jrib> you also don't use spaces around the =
[13:38] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Well, for instance for setting PS1 only export works
[13:38] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm
[13:38] <yofel> RayJohns: no, most of the ubuntu kernel is built in modules, add them to the initrd image if you need them before the filesystem is up, what is built in and what as modules is controlled by the kernel package configuration at build time
[13:39] <gartral> Dr_Willis: bash: export: `/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3': not a valid identifier
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  PS1='prompt -->' works
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  whats the exact line you are using to set the path?
[13:39] <dreamon> After Update to Lucid Firefox freezes system for about 15seconds. -> xsession-errors shows -> Firefox.PlacesItemSource "Firefox Places" encountered an error in UpdateItems: System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object
[13:39] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: How about something like "[\t] \[\033[1;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;32m\]\w\[\033[0m\]$"? That ain't gonna work like that
[13:39] <RayJohns> I'm using the ISO CD for 10.04-RC - it goes through the install when I boot from the CD.  is there some way to stop the auto install thing and go through an install where I can select support for that controller?
[13:40] <gartral> Dr_Willis: export PATH = "/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/gareth/bin:/home/gareth/android-sdk-linux_86:/home/gareth/android-ndk-r3"
[13:40] <OzFalcon> After adding an entry in fstab, I can't boot at ALL. (Server edition)
[13:40] <ceu> high availability on 2 ubuntu servers. Any advice? (pacemaker+heartbeat, pacemaker+corosync, ... ?)
[13:40] <gartral> Dr_Willis: thats how theadmin has it
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm  this works -------->      PS1="[\t] \[\033[1;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[0m\]:\[\033[1;32m\]\w\[\033[0m\]$"
[13:40] <rww> theadmin: export PS1="that"
[13:40] <jrib> RayJohns: you can select "try ubuntu" and then you'll have a shell to do whatever you want.  Is that enough?
[13:40] <rww> theadmin: is what I do, anyway
[13:41] <jrib> OzFalcon: remove the entry?
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> You Do want a export in your .bashrc of course.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> but for testng - you dont need one in the 'current shell'
[13:41] <RayJohns> jrib: what do I use to produce a new boot image?
[13:41] <OzFalcon> jrib, I can't even boot to a command line!
[13:41] <gartral> Dr_Willis: are you talking too me?
[13:41] <jrib> OzFalcon: use a live cd
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> gartral:  no spaces around the  = for starters
[13:41] <jrib> RayJohns: I'm not sure what you are trying to do
[13:41] <theadmin> rww: Yeah I know
[13:42] <RayJohns> jrib - that makes two of us :-)  I'm trying to include support for an sata silicon image 3114 controller at boot time
[13:42] <OzFalcon> jrib, I did get it to boot. But Im not sure it's sane.
[13:42] <RayJohns> jrib - I think it's the sata_sil module
[13:42] <jrib> OzFalcon: how? why?
[13:42] <RayJohns> jrib - which maybe isn't native to the boot image that the installer installs ?
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> gartral: NDK?? really ?
[13:43] <RayJohns> just trying to figure out where to add that into the kernel and how to produce a new boot image
[13:43] <RayJohns> with support for my sata controller
[13:43] <OzFalcon> jrib, It was hung. So I hit alt-sysreq-scroll.lock and got some sysreq help.
[13:43] <RayJohns> I think that's the problem ubuntu is having
[13:43] <yofel> RayJohns: you can't, but add the module to the initramfs, then it will be available at boot time too
[13:43] <siriusnova> How do I Absolutely PURGE Pulse Audio from my system
[13:43] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Mine gives something similar to this here. If i don't use export I end up having that string instead. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2012912/Screenshot.png
[13:43] <siriusnova> its such a buggy piece of crap
[13:43] <siriusnova> its rediculous
[13:44] <RayJohns> so I can't compile it in.. but i can have it recognized from a module at boot time
[13:44] <jrib> OzFalcon: what is your question now?
[13:44] <RayJohns> doesn't the loader have to be able to find the boot image first?
[13:44] <OzFalcon> jrib, I then hit alt-sysreq-I (Or something) to kill processes.
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: do you have any specific problem with it? what's the bug id for iot ?
[13:44] <yofel> RayJohns: the only way to compile it in would be to build your own kernel, but that's not exactly supported in ubuntu
[13:44] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: in X/K/Ubuntu we work with Pulse, and lots of apps depend on it
[13:45] <BUGabundo_remote> purging it is not recommened
[13:45] <OzFalcon> jrib, Is alt-sysreq ever used? or did I just stumble on to some obscure part of the kernel?
[13:45] <yofel> RayJohns: well, if the loader can't fine the kernel image then compiling the module in won't help too
[13:45] <siriusnova> BUGabundo_remote, - every app I use that needs sound has issues with it, dosbox skips, games in wine skip, vmware has issues with it, even zsnes doesnt work well with it and I hear screetches and blips
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> OzFalcon:  thats a 'feature'
[13:45] <An_Ony_Moose> I want to reinstall GRUB from a live CD of the 10.04 RC (yes, out of date). I've tried both reinstalling and reconfiguring grub-pc and using grub-install, but it gives me an error - it can't find a device for /boot/grub
[13:45] <janmalte> BUGabundo_remote: nearly none kde app is depended on pulse
[13:46] <RayJohns> yofel - agreed
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> OzFalcon:  thers numerous alt-sysreq-KEYS that dodifferent things
[13:46] <yofel> RayJohns: and the initrd is available at the same time as the kernel image, so not much difference there
[13:46] <theadmin> I think KDE uses ALSA
[13:46] <janmalte> after having much trouble with pulse i also removed it from my kubuntu siriusnova
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> theadmin: phone
[13:46] <jrib> RayJohns: I don't really know enough raid to tell you how to do that, or more importantly, if there isn't a better way.  Did you take a look through the raid docs on the wiki?
[13:46] <RayJohns> yofel - that's why I wanted to compile in support for the Sata controller and produce a new boot image
[13:46] <siriusnova> janmalta - how did you do it?
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: please check for open bugs, and file new ones
[13:46] <OzFalcon> Dr_Willis, yes. It saved my ass. alt-sysreq-scroll =  help
[13:46] <BUGabundo_remote> also truy linux backport alsa package
[13:47] <theadmin> What is ALSA anyway? "ALSA Linux Sound A..."... What's the final A for
[13:47] <RayJohns> jrib - no, not yet.  But I'll check around some more.  I'm thinking maybe I will throw an IDE drive too boot from
[13:47] <siriusnova> BUGabundo_remote, - I even am running the newest alsa straight from source
[13:47] <BUGabundo_remote> janmalte: siriusnova: don't expect support if you do
[13:47] <siriusnova> i compiled it muself
[13:47] <yofel> RayJohns: yes, but you can't build the module in in the ubuntu way, if you need the module before the harddrive is mounted add it to the init ramdrive
[13:47] <jrib> theadmin: architecture
[13:47] <theadmin> jrib: Oh thanks
[13:47] <jrib> !raid > RayJohns
[13:47] <siriusnova> and pulse audio still manages to screw it all up
[13:47] <siriusnova> :/
[13:47] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: from source, may require quirks to kernel, which you don't have
[13:47] <OzFalcon> oh dear.
[13:47] <RayJohns> got it, thanks
[13:47] <jrib> RayJohns: you might also try the alternate cd, it usually has support for more stuff
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> please file a bug, and ping crimsun on it. you can idle in #ubuntu-audio-help
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> siriusnova: ^^^^^
[13:48] <RayJohns> jrib - okay.. good idea
[13:48] <theadmin> ubottu: raid > theadmin
[13:48] <janmalte> http://www.kdenlive.org/forum/remember-remove-pulseaudio-if-using-kubuntu-karmic
[13:48] <RayJohns> yofel - you are saying mount a ram drive at boot time?  Then load the module into that or something?  And then boot the sata drive?
[13:48] <janmalte> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=789578
[13:49] <janmalte> Quote: Note 4: Kubuntu users: Don't follow this guide - PulseAudio isn't used in your distribution.
[13:49] <OzFalcon> Let me get this straight. I can crash any linux system by switching to a tty screen, and hitting alt-sysreq-C (C for crash!)
[13:49] <theadmin> OzFalcon: yeah, why
[13:49] <alvin> I have to try that
[13:49] <OzFalcon> go on
[13:50] <OzFalcon> Im not game to on my workstation.
[13:50] <jrib> RayJohns: I assumed you are using raid and that was the issue, if not ignore the !raid stuff of course
[13:50] <rww> I note sysrq stuff is disable-able
[13:50] <yofel> RayJohns: as the ubuntu kernel is as modular as it is it uses a ramdriver by default, you can add your onw modules to be included in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and then rebuild the initrd with 'sudo update-initramfs -u' - but I'm not sure how to do that from the installer
[13:50] <RayJohns> it's actually not configured as a riad
[13:50] <RayJohns> raid
[13:50] <Italian_Plumber> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[13:50] <RayJohns> it's just an sata controller on the motherboard
[13:51] <RayJohns> I'm just using it for faster throughput vs. IDE
[13:51] <jrib> RayJohns: what's going wrong exactly?  The drives don't show up at all on the live cd?
[13:51] <OzFalcon> so is it enabled in ubuntu desktop?
[13:52] <OzFalcon> by defualt
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> OzFalcon:  most are i beliuve.
[13:52] <RayJohns> jrib - I'm not 100% sure.. .if i boot into the "try it mode" it looks like it's mounted on the desktop
[13:52] <jrib> OzFalcon: yes
[13:52] <jrib> RayJohns: and the issue is that when you try to install, they don't show up there?
[13:52] <RayJohns> but when i try to boot from that drive, then it hoses and end up in the terminal window saying it can't find its boot image
[13:52] <alvin> WHoa. Where is that good for
[13:53] <jrib> RayJohns: okay, so you were able to install fine?
[13:53] <OzFalcon> hmmmm, cat /proc/sys/kernel/sysrq shows "1"
[13:53] <RayJohns> jrib - the install goes fine... it sees the partition no problem and installs to it
[13:53] <RayJohns> jrib: yes.. install is fine
[13:53] <jrib> RayJohns: do you remember the exact error you get when you try to boot?
[13:53] <RayJohns> jrib: when it goes to release the drives after the install.. then I get an i/o error
[13:53] <RayJohns> something about a process (starting with a c) can't release the drive or something
[13:53] <alvin> Ctrl+Alt+Backspace was disabled because people pressed it by accident (imagine that!). Does noone press alt-sysreq-C by accident?
[13:54] <RayJohns> and then a bunch of i/o errors
[13:54] <jrib> RayJohns: I see
[13:54] <jrib> RayJohns: on the live cd can you chroot ok into the install?
[13:54] <patdk-wk> doesn't alt-sysreq-c require kexec to be installed?
[13:54] <OzFalcon> alvin, Yeah. pretty un sane
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  i have to say ive never hit alt-sysreq-ANYTHING by accident
[13:54] <RayJohns> not sure what that means.. but I can try it later
[13:54] <RayJohns> what does chroot do?
[13:54] <RayJohns> check the root file system?
[13:54] <RayJohns> like fsck ?
[13:55] <alvin> Dr_Willis: neither have I ever hit Ctrl+Alt+Backspace by accident, but apparently a lot of people do
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> changes root filesystem
[13:55] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  emac users can do that a lot from what i hear.
[13:55] <jrib> RayJohns: basically you'll be "inside" the install
[13:55] <alvin> That could explain it
[13:55] <RayJohns> ok
[13:55] <jrib> RayJohns: but if you say the install didn't finish successfully, that's what I would work on
[13:56] <RayJohns> when I boot the first time (after the install)... I end up in a file system in the terminal window.. but there is no /boot part
[13:56] <ttyX> is there any way to change the crazy button placing in the new lucid themes?
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> !controlls
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> !controls
[13:56] <jrib> RayJohns: does it say anything in the prompt?
[13:56] <RayJohns> i can't remember... but i can issue limited commands
[13:57] <RayJohns> I can see the file that points to the boot image it wants to load in /boot
[13:57] <RayJohns> but there is no /boot in the file system
[13:57] <RayJohns> just /etc and stuff like that
[13:57] <jrib> RayJohns: you probably need to reinstall grub assuming that's the only thing that failed
[13:58] <RayJohns> grub is the loader for ubuntu ?
[13:58] <ttyX> thanks Dr_Willis
[13:58] <dennis> anyone have any idea when the flashplayer will be fixed in lucid ?
[13:58] <OzFalcon> anyone get  hang on boot if drive in fstab is not available?
[13:58] <RayJohns> like lilo right
[13:58] <jrib> !grub2 | RayJohns
[13:58] <RayJohns> ?
[13:58] <ttyX> that worked like a charm :)
[13:58] <RayJohns> k
[13:58] <jrib> OzFalcon: if you don't have an fstab, things will probably fail, yes...
[13:59] <underdev> dennis: what problem are you having?
[13:59] <underdev> i occasionally get gui weirdness, but use pandora/lala all the time
[13:59] <OzFalcon> jrib, I have an fstab. But the external drive entry makes the system hang (unrecoverable) on boot.
[14:00] <alvin> Isn't grub2 still in beta?
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> alvin:  not really.
[14:00] <jrib> OzFalcon: because you don't have the drive connected I assume?
[14:00] <red2kic> alvin: Gmail was in beta stage for long long time.
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> Google's definition of 'beta' is not normal :)
[14:00] <ttyX> grub2 is more like wip
[14:00] <alvin> Yes, but gmail wasn't commercially supported at that time
[14:01] <OzFalcon> jrib, yes.
[14:01] <jrib> OzFalcon: why do you want an fstab entry for it?
[14:01] <OzFalcon> jrib, Can only hit reset. To automount it.
[14:01] <RayJohns> ok guys... thanks for the help.  jrib, thanks!
[14:01] <RayJohns> I'll fiddle around with it later
[14:01] <RayJohns> and see if I have any luck
[14:02] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. neat little thing i just saw on a blog ---> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/ubuntuforumsorg-start-page-extension.html
[14:03] <alvin> I see on their site that the developers of grub2 consider it beta. Canonical's credo should be: "To boldly support what nobody supported before"
[14:03] <abhijain> plz provide me best ubuntu 10.4 download link
[14:03] <abhijain> i m new user
[14:03] <RayJohns> I'll leave you guys with a funny video :-)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4s3OVZJY2I0  ttyl
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> !daily | abhijain
[14:03] <abhijain> and confused with beta alpha
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> abhijain:  install, update/upgrade.. You are using the latest...
[14:04] <jrib> OzFalcon: pastebin your fstab
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> nothing tobe confused about at all
[14:04] <abhijain> no i m on fedora at this time
[14:04] <Pici> abhijain: If you are a new user you shouldnt be using the RC, but rather waiting for the final release.
[14:04] <underdev> Dr_Willis: do they do that throughout a release?  So that you can just download a version with all the updates already updated?
[14:05] <underdev> Dr_Willis: the dailies, i mean
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> underdev:  thats how the package manager system basically works.. its a main feature of the system
[14:05] <abhijain> Pici: final release when?
[14:05] <Pici> abhijain: tomorrow.
[14:05] <Gh0stryd3r> good morning, how do you set the GAL server settings for IMAP in evolution for 10.04
[14:05] <theadmin> gr. This thing freezed on me
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> dailies are automatically made i belive. if you are downloading the ISO now. may as well get a daily instead of a RC>
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> actually the RC and daily might be the same.
[14:05] <alvin> underdev: only for the beta releases. Other (stable) releases do get bugfixes, but Ubuntu is not a 'rolling' distribution
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> I imagine this will be last day for any Dailies :)
[14:06] <OzFalcon> jrib, no point. it's an issue with 10.4
[14:06] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Why? When Maverick will start rolling there will be dailies again
[14:06] <underdev> alvin: okay. Dr_Willis ty.  I was excited there for a minute :)
[14:06] <jrib> OzFalcon: then why are you asking for support?
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> theadmin:  yes.. but that will be some time away
[14:06] <Dr_Willis> 'for now'
[14:06] <OzFalcon> jrib, posting fstab wont help.
[14:06] <abhijain> and from which linnk we can download
[14:07] <jrib> OzFalcon: ok I guess...
[14:08] <Dr_Willis> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ Pick the iso you want
[14:09] <OzFalcon> jrib, The fstab entry is stock standard. uses Label= to locate the drive.
[14:09] <irv> also, what time tomorrow do you figure it will be released?
[14:09] <irv> :D
[14:09] <theadmin> irv: Speaking in crontab style, "* * *"
[14:09] <jrib> irv: "when it's ready" is the usual response
[14:09] <Dr_Willis> irv:  at noon.. some where.. in the world . it wil be noon when its released...
[14:09] <irv> :]
[14:09] <Pici> theadmin: every minute?
[14:10] <red2kic> irv: Download it now to curb the hammertime latency?
[14:10] <theadmin> Pici: um... lol
[14:10] <Dr_Willis> Im allready updated and upgraded.. Im good for a week. :)
[14:10] <coz_>  buona giornata tutti.. bonne jounree tous les... good day all
[14:11] <OzFalcon> jrib, here it is: "LABEL=WAD /mnt/WAD ext3 relatime,errors=remount-ro 0 2"
[14:12] <linards> hello again
[14:13] <dennis> anyone her know when bug with the flashplugin-nonfree (532542) will be solved
[14:13] <jrib> bug 532542
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. It worked here.. i thoght
[14:13] <theadmin> Dr_Willis: Works here too :/
[14:14] <jrib> dennis: as a workaround just drop the libflashplayer.so into your ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[14:14] <dennis> i segfaults here when i try and install the darn thing.
[14:14] <theadmin> o_O
[14:15] <jrib> OzFalcon: I thought that even if a particular mount failed you would still be able to boot.  You're saying this used to be the case but now in lucid you have to do a hard reboot, right?
[14:15] <dennis> it tells me that the installer package is not working and tries to solve the problem every apt command i give
[14:15] <OzFalcon> jrib, YES!
[14:15] <underdev> i'm using flash on lucid x64
[14:15] <OzFalcon> jrib, Exactly.
[14:15] <dennis> really ?
[14:15] <dennis> is it fixed then ?
[14:15] <underdev> have you upgraded?
[14:15] <theadmin> I dunno, flash works here
[14:16] <dennis> i was using the newest daily as well as rc1
[14:16] <theadmin> x32/i386 architecture, though
[14:16] <dennis> with all updates
[14:16] <underdev> hmmm
[14:17] <dennis> i type sudo  apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree as i should and it failed
[14:17] <linards> hm. Anybody has some suggestion for No sound in Lucid Lync bug jet? If I will not be able to resolve it, I will be forced to use darn WIndows again
[14:17] <muszek> hi... last week there was a news item (AFAIR on slashdot) about a serious memory leak in X.  Has it been taken care of?  I was thinking of upgrading to lucid before the Horde does :)
[14:17] <linards> hm. Anybody has some suggestion for No sound in Lucid Lync bug jet? If I will not be able to resolve it, I will be forced to use darn Windows again
[14:17] <linards> muszek - yes - it is fixed ;)
[14:17] <muszek> linards: ty
[14:17] <linards> np
[14:18] <underdev> dennis: try uninstalling it and install the whole restricted extras?
[14:18] <underdev> that's how i got mine
[14:18] <underdev> and it works
[14:18] <jrib> muszek: the release notes for the rc have a link to the bug report I believe.  It's marked "fix released"
[14:18] <ZykoticK9> muszek, it also only affected people using Open Source video drivers (not sure if you fall under that category)
[14:18] <dennis> no not yet.... what would that change ?
[14:18] <ratcheer> lizards: Does your system have more than one sound card?
[14:18] <linards> yes
[14:18] <alvin> Doesn't every release have sound issues? (I never have actually. Maybe because Kubuntu doesn't have pulseaudio?)
[14:18] <underdev> muszek: yeah, its fixed.. thankfully
[14:19] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had sound issues in the last 4+ releases
[14:19] <linards> Audigy LS ( SB570 ) / EASYcALL dESKTOP spEAKERPHONE / BUILT-IN ( DISABLED )
[14:19] <muszek> jrib, ZykoticK9, underdev: thanks
[14:19] <linards> alvin, then you are lucky
[14:19] <alvin> linards: I probably am. I hear a lot about sound issues
[14:20] <linards> :)
[14:20] <ratcheer> linards: ALSA may be seeing the disabled card, first. That causes problems with everything downstream.
[14:20] <bjsnider> i think kubuntu does have pulseaudio
[14:20] <alvin> Then again, I'm mostly using Ubuntu as server OS. I'm more worried about boot problems than sound/graphics
[14:20] <alvin> bjsnider: no, it doesn't have pulseaudio by default
[14:20] <linards> ratcheer
[14:20] <linards> please - more specific
[14:21] <linards> how can I check if it is been disabled?
[14:21] <ratcheer> linards: I will have to dig for a few minutes to find the specifics. BRB
[14:21] <alvin> Then again, pulseaudio IS an interesting concept
[14:21] <underdev> KISS has served me well w/ audio on linux- ac97 or whatnot, but i'm no audiophile
[14:22] <underdev> or dj
[14:22] <theadmin> I mainly use my phone for music-listening stuff
[14:22] <linards> hehe
[14:22] <underdev> again lala/pandora work great for me
[14:22] <linards> I need sound mainly because I am programmer on WIndows and currently tweaking some apps for WIne
[14:22] <underdev> 9.10 & 10.04
[14:22] <underdev> linards: i see
[14:22] <underdev> linards: rock on, and thank you!
[14:22] <theadmin> linards: Wh--- might be a WINE sound problem then, no?
[14:23] <linards> hehehe
[14:23] <linards> no man
[14:23] <linards> Wine is just and fornntend
[14:23] <linards> prob is in backend
[14:23] <underdev> linards: yeah, i've had to screw with wine to get sound working in warcraft & starcraft
[14:23] <linards> somethong f**ks up ALSA
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> Got me a new brother HL 2170W printer. (on sale) and wow. it works very well  in linux. :) Cups/printerconfig tool finds it on the network and away i go :)
[14:23] <linards> because when I open Multimedia Systems Selector
[14:23] <Dr_Willis> windows box's are still installing the drivers.. linux boxs  are printing.
[14:24] <ratcheer> linards: Run cat /proc/asound/modules - which card is listed, first?
[14:24] <linards> Audigy LS :)
[14:24] <linards> one that does not work at all
[14:24] <underdev> Dr_Willis: I always recommend Brother for linux, just works, great deals.  Got a high capacity toner cartridge for $18 on slickdeals for my 2140
[14:24] <coz_> alcorn,  there you go
[14:24] <alcorn> coz_ :) Thanks
[14:24] <alcorn> I am on Ubuntu 10.04. Anyone notice a very long bootup time. It could just be something wrong with my setup. If so I think it may be something to do with my graphics card as the Ubuntu loading screen when it does finally show up, is low resolution. Now once I get all loaded up, Ubuntu runs like greased lightning. Has anyone experience a very long loading time on 10.04 and knows how to fix it?
[14:25] <ratcheer> linards: Ok, that is not your problem, then. Carry on.
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> underdev:  yea. I been watching this one for months.. waiting to catch it on sale for $100
[14:25] <pickett> anyone know how i can install prograns in a live cd session?
[14:25] <underdev> got my 2140 for $50 0tax free shipping
[14:25] <linards> ratcheet, then I can at least hope my problem wi8ll be investigated?
[14:25] <lamefun> ubuntu+1?
[14:25] <theadmin> pickett: Same way you do it on a normal one
[14:25] <coz_> alcorn,   on my lucid system   it doesnt seem to have a very long boot time compare to karmic   so  not sure   .... which video card do you have ?
[14:25] <BluesKaj> 'Morning folks
[14:25] <Dr_Willis> pickett:  you can 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get isntall whatever'
[14:25] <lamefun> hello
[14:25] <red> anyone noticed Eclipse just "disappearing" in Lucid Lynx?
[14:25] <linards> If you nmeed any logs - I am ready to provide them ;)
[14:25] <red> I find it impossible to work :/
[14:26] <red> I shoot it up, meddle around a while and poof it just disappears
[14:26] <ratcheer> linards: I have no idea.
[14:26] <alcorn> coz_ Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTX 768MB, running 173.14.22 Nvidia driver
[14:26] <underdev> alcorn: i had that happen to me once earlier.  Had to reinstall because i was monkeying with grub2, and it worked, so i don't know what the problem/solution was/is :)
[14:26] <pickett> when i try to install i get this error http://pastebin.com/RywT8AyF
[14:26] <coz_> alcorn,   mmm that's a fairly old driver version
[14:26] <theadmin> red: Are you using the repository build? If so, report a bug with "ubuntu-bug package"
[14:27] <coz_> alcorn,  did you install the drive using hardware drivers?
[14:27] <dennis> tried remove the ubuntu-restricted-extras... no resolv still the flashplayer failes to install
[14:27] <linards> grrrr ... :( .... this is nonsense ... when I upgraded to ALSA 1.22, i hoped that I will finally be able to use micrphone on my Audigy LS
[14:27] <ratcheer> lamefun: It means the current prod release +1, or the development release, which is 10.04
[14:27] <linards> now I cannot use card at all
[14:27] <linards> %$%$#%@#$%^%# ... :( ...
[14:27] <underdev> alcorn: w/ amd/ati video
[14:28] <underdev> alcorn: so whatever it is, it's not nvidia specific
[14:28] <alcorn> coz_ it's the one that ubuntu installs by default. I have no problem updating as I use linux all the time and consider myself to be a "Pro Newb" however this computer is going to my grandma and if I upload a newer driver then what ends up happening when she updates is I have to drive back home and reload the drivers from command for her... not fun.
[14:28] <ratcheer> linards: How did you upgrade?
[14:28] <BluesKaj> dennis, try flashplugin-nonfree, then reinstall kubuntu-restricted-extras
[14:28] <linards> Firstly by Karmic -> Lucid Beta 2
[14:28] <coz_> alcorn,  understood
[14:28] <linards> then, when I found out micrphone still did not work
[14:28] <null> Question:  What's the default RSS feed reader in 10.04?
[14:28] <linards> I used WebUpd8 PPA
[14:28] <BluesKaj> or ubuntu restricte....
[14:28] <dennis> i tried that... i doesn't work either
[14:28] <theadmin> null: There is none
[14:28] <null> o.0
[14:29] <linards> and after ... I think one specific update, sound suddenly vanquished
[14:29] <null> So what happens if I click on an rss feed?
[14:29] <alcorn> I did all of the updates, and only after the updates did I start having long loading times
[14:29] <theadmin> null: Firefox can read them
[14:29] <theadmin> null: and that's what it uses
[14:29] <underdev> dennis: did you remove flashplugin-nonfree before you installed restricted?
[14:29] <linards> also noticable that in that time I was using computers tuner for my bass guitar
[14:29] <linards> throught WIne
[14:29] <underdev> and did you try using flash before trying to reinstall flash?
[14:30] <ratcheer> linards: Do you have package linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.32-21-generic installed?
[14:30] <alcorn> I think there may be some truth to the grub2 causing some kind of problem with my graphics card during boot. Perhaps if I deactive the driver, reboot then reactivate. Maybe during the upgrade of grub2 part of it did not get configed correctly. Perhaps Nvidia needs to reconfigure it. Your thoughts coz_?
[14:30] <null> Yes. It.  Can!  CAN CAN CAN
[14:30] <null> Because I cAN CAN CAN!
[14:30] <theadmin> null: lolwut
[14:30] <coz_> alcorn,  well first open hardware drivers  and tell what options are there
[14:30] <linards> no, I have not.
[14:31] <linards> current backport is 32-21.11
[14:31] <linards> in synpatics
[14:31] <Voffko> hi 2 all
[14:31] <theadmin> Voffko: Hello.
[14:32] <coz_> alcorn,  under hardware drivers there should be  a (version current) driver available under that  which is the 193.xx driver Ibelieve
[14:32] <ratcheer> linards: I don't know if it will help you, but I had to install that package to get alsa 1.0.22..1 to work on my upgraded Karmic system.
[14:32] <coz_> alcorn,  if you install that  it will automatically update for her:)
[14:32] <alcorn> coz_ oh ya, that is part of my problem. I didn't realize in 10.04 that they changed the name of the latest driver. It used to be like 182 or something and I always look for that. When I didn't see it I installed the highest number. Didn't realize the renamed it to "version current" I am going to install that one and see what happens >.<
[14:32] <linards> Oh. I see. Well - thank you very much - at least for hope to not use WIndows for daily work .. ;)
[14:33] <rmrfslash> Will the Kubuntu devs release RC => Production packages before tomorrow so we RC-testers/bug-reporters don't get hammered by kiddies?
[14:33] <Voffko> Please tell me how you can change the computer name in 10,04?
[14:33] <linards> Only reason why I remeber of that damn OS is that I do manage network in office ... and play Demigod
[14:33] <linards> xD
[14:33] <coz_> alcorn,  yeah they did... and I do use the (version current) on my lucid box here :)
[14:33] <alcorn> coz_ gonna give that an install and reboot and hit you up again and let you know the results. Thanks for helping me catch my mistake.
[14:33] <Voffko> In a network of 10 computers of the same name "Ubuntu")
[14:33] <coz_> ok
[14:34] <coz_> alcorn,  cool
[14:34] <alcorn> coz_ so, 193 huh? They finally moved passed 182. Nice
[14:34] <Voffko>  how you can change the computer name in 10,04?
[14:34] <rww> !hostname
[14:34] <coz_> alcorn,  yeah :)  it is a better driver  so give it a whirl
[14:35] <alcorn> coz_ Ya on my Linux boxes I always use the latest drivers directly from Nvid. Just have to update them manually so I don't do that on other people I am migrating to Linux... would make for a VERY bad Linux experience for them >.<
[14:35] <cjs> Am I wrong, or is the installer wrong when it changes my requested hostname from an FQDN to just the first component?
[14:35] <Voffko> thx
[14:36] <QQi> this is 10.04 final release right?
[14:36] <QQi> 3f5d201564e2cd24b75bf2843a6ba54a *ubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso
[14:36] <QQi> d173fe34de467a93d806ddfafc2d74a0 *ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[14:36] <linards> ratcheer, do I need Generic or Generic-PAE ?
[14:36] <alcorn> coz_ "Kernel update.... OMG NOW WINDOWS.... NO WINDOWS!!!! AH JUST TEXT!!! I hate this Linux, Call Derek, he screwed us over!" :( LoL, ya would be bad.
[14:37] <ratcheer> linards: It depends on which kernel you have installed.
[14:37] <alcorn> coz_ ok, going to reboot. Be back in a few.
[14:38] <linards> I have pae installed. So pae is the one i need, right?
[14:38] <yofel> QQi: that's the daily build from yesterday and propably the final yes
[14:39] <tsimpson> no, there are no final builds
[14:39] <linards> Anyway - just installed. After reboot sound should be fine, right, ratcheer?
[14:40] <yofel> tsimpson: that's why I said probably or do they do an iso rebuild for the finals?
[14:40] <tsimpson> ISOs can be rebuilt at any time
[14:40] <tsimpson> it's only final when it's announced
[14:40] <ratcheer> linards: We can hope so. And yes, you need the pae one with the pae kernel.
[14:42] <Votan> Anyone running a mainline .34 rc5 kernel ?
[14:42] <yofel> Votan: I tried it once, but suspend resulted in a kernel panic so I'm back in 32
[14:42] <tehowe> Hey, is anyone having wireless problems with 10.04 RC? My wireless dies after a few minutes and the indicator light just flashes.
[14:43] <Votan> yofel mh, suspend works for me, but shut down jsut freezes while showing the splash, no harm done though, jsut have to presss the button, kinda annoying
[14:44] <rohan> any leaked mirrors out already?
[14:45] <Pici> rohan: what?
[14:45] <yofel> rohan: as the isos aren't yet finisehd that's impossible, use a daily build if you can't wait
[14:45] <rohan> Pici: for the final release i mean
[14:45] <rohan> yofel: ok, thanks.. and i am just curious, not impatient :) i always wait till official release to get the ISOs
[14:46] <tsimpson> watch www.ubuntu.com to see when it's announced (but don't keep reloading it over-and-over)
[14:48] <alcorn> coz_ It still has a very long boot time with the newer Nvidia driver. Any other suggestions? Perhaps I should make grub recheck everything and rewrite the boot file?
[14:49] <Reckon> Afternoon good ppl
[14:49] <QQi> some already leaked final release http://mirror1.ku.ac.th/lucid/
[14:50] <alcorn> Anyone know how to get grub in 10.04 to recheck everything and rewrite the boot file?
[14:50] <yofel> QQi: nothing is final as long as it isn't officially released, the images can be changed at any time
[14:51] <QQi> yofel: i thank it will take long time for mirror sync
[14:51] <QQi> *think
[14:51] <coz_> alcorn,   mmm I cant think of anything off hand.... what is the hardware configuration....I mean what type of processor etc??
[14:51] <Reckon> QQi: take care with leaked versions... they might have unwanted software included (spyware/malware)
[14:51] <tsimpson> QQi: it's not final until it's announced, the ISOs can be changed any time between now and then
[14:52] <QQi> Reckon: thanks i checked MD5SUM is same daily-build (no malware)
[14:53] <alcorn> coz_ AMD Dual Core 64bit processor, 2.8ghz. 2x 10k RPM Seagate HDD, 4Gb 800Mhz Corsair ram.
[14:53] <rohan> alcorn: sudo update-grub
[14:54] <coz_> alcorn,  ooo that wont be the issue then  ... mmm  not sure  ...but you may want to go to the #grub channel and ask
[14:54] <alcorn> rohan, thanks. Wille try it
[14:54] <Ken8521_> alcorn, what issue are you having on that system/
[14:55] <linards> hi. Still no sound.
[14:56] <alcorn> coz_ just did a grub update. Gonna try a reboot in a sec. Ken8521_ my Ubuntu is booting up very slowly. When it does get to the loading screen, it is low resolution and when I load completely everything is back to normal and the system runs like greased lightning.
[14:56] <Reckon> QQi: was only an advice... sometimes ppl think they are getting legit software
[14:56] <Ken8521_> hmm
[14:56] <rohan> alcorn: i think you may want to disable plymouth
[14:56] <alcorn> rohan, oh? What is plymouth?
[14:56] <Ken8521_> that's a good thought
[14:56] <mewshi> I was just about to ask, what is plymouth?
[14:57] <Reckon> alcorn, a good tool is installing bootchart and check why is the system booting that slow
[14:57] <coz_> alcorn,   mmm   do a sudoa apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade   and if that doesn work then yes   you may want to disable plymouth which is the boot scrren which is animated now
[14:57] <Ken8521_> yup.
[14:57] <Ken8521_> plymouth is causing its fair share of issues.
[14:57] <underdev> plymouth.  lovely city.  great seafood.
[14:57] <rohan> alcorn: the stuff which displays splash on bootup
[14:58] <underdev> the rock is quite underwelming though.  It's just a.. rock.
[14:58] <Ken8521_> only negative impact, would be no GUI bootup, you'd probably just get some running text on your screen
[14:58] <alcorn> rohan, coz_ ok. I will give those a try. Kinda leary about the upgrade, never have good turn out's with using upgrade commands.
[14:59] <Ken8521_> alcorn, well, if you're using 10.04, you're using the beta/rc so you'll want to run upgrade and dist-upgrade, to keep the version you have current
[14:59] <linards> ratcheer!
[14:59] <alcorn> Reckon, I will keep that in mind. Thank you.
[14:59] <coz_> alcorn,  ok  but the dist-upgrade should not be an issue at this point  I do it daily.... however  if you want to uninstall plymouth just go to synaptic and search for plymouth  then  just remove the package plymouth   there's prbably a way to disable that withouth that fuss though
[14:59] <alcorn> Ken8521_ ok. Has ubuntu go better with their upgrading or is it still pretty much, your gonna have to wipe and do a fresh install?
[15:00] <Ken8521_> alcorn, i don't upgrade, i always clean install, but if you're staying w/ 10.04(ie, going 10.04 beta, to 10.04 rc), i had no issue w/ that
[15:00] <coz_> alcorn,  if you ugrade from one version to another   its generally a bad idea  but  a dist upgrade is not changing versioin
[15:00] <alcorn> coz_ "0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded."
[15:00] <alcorn> coz_ Ah, I see
[15:01] <An_Ony_Moose> when is the release?
[15:01] <alcorn> tomorrow
[15:01] <An_Ony_Moose> oh dang
[15:01] <alcorn> Ya, excited
[15:01] <alcorn> Like it so far
[15:01] <alcorn> Wife loves it
[15:01] <An_Ony_Moose> me too
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> what I like most is probably that spring is now available in the repos :D
[15:02] <rumpe1> are there any party-preparations yet? %)
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> is it released at midnight GMT?
[15:02] <alcorn> ok, gonna uninstall Plymouth I guess and see how it does
[15:02] <maco> no
[15:02] <alcorn> spring?
[15:02] <maco> An_Ony_Moose: at some point while it is 29 April in at least 1 timezone of earth
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> oh
[15:02] <An_Ony_Moose> alcorn, check the repo :P
[15:02] <alcorn> ok I will but what is spring?
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> *sigh*
[15:03] <z0rt|work> the season before summer
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> I said, check the repo
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> :P
[15:03] <Ken8521_> was wondering that myself.
[15:03] <Ken8521_> !info spring
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> but it's an  RTS engine
[15:03] <An_Ony_Moose> an EPIC one
[15:03] <ratcheer> linards: I'm back. What happened?
[15:03] <alcorn> alright alright, I am going
[15:03] <linards> ratcheer, maybe private chat?
[15:03] <DASPRiD> ratcheer, end of the world
[15:03] <linards> Its kinda mess here
[15:03] <ratcheer> linards: Tell me how.
[15:05] <z0rt|work> dancing volcanoes
[15:07] <Votan> next ubuntu should be called Rising Ashes or Spitting Vulcano
[15:07] <Ken8521_> Votan, why would they call it that, that has nothing to do with "M"
[15:07] <Votan> oh, M, right, erm
[15:07] <alvin> More Misery?
[15:07] <Pici> !10.10
[15:08] <Votan> damn
[15:08] <Ken8521_> Maverick Meerkat
[15:08] <Votan> k, 11.04 then
[15:08] <Votan> NN mh
[15:08] <z0rt|work> talk to me goose
[15:08] <Ken8521_> lol
[15:08] <Ken8521_> "Requesting permission for fly by"
[15:09] <Votan> Nasty Nymph ? Or Naughty Nymph
[15:09] <inglor> hey, how long should an upgrade from 9.10 take? I'm considering upgrading now to avoid the server load and then just updating from RC to the normal ver?
[15:09] <z0rt|work> negative ghost rider the pattern is full
[15:09] <Ken8521_> lol
[15:09] <Ken8521_> inglor, right now, probably not to bad(although  i really dn't know) tomorrow, it could take quite some time as the servers will be very busy
[15:09] <inglor> will start now :)
[15:10] <inglor> it's telling me I have to download 1984 MB :P
[15:10] <z0rt|work> if you have the beta installed all you need to do is update it
[15:10] <z0rt|work> right?
[15:10] <inglor> right :)
[15:10] <crow> If i add udev rule for harddisk, and then add entry in fstab for that disk, xubuntu 10.4 rc cant mount file system and then i just comment these two line for hdds and system boot fine.. If i enable these line and manualy mount -a harddisk are mounted fine.. if i do reboot again cant mount filesystemm i think there is a but somewhere
[15:11] <inglor> haha, that's awesme, 2 gigs of download are going to take 10 minutes :)
[15:11] <Ken8521_> z0rt|work, yeah, run apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade
[15:12] <Rissom> I can select a connection in 10.4 and it'll constantly keep asking me for the key, it doesn't actually connect to the Internet at all, I know the key is correct, any help?
[15:12] <Ken8521_> i don't think 11.04 has been named yet, maybe it has htough
[15:16]  * enyc hops around impatiently ;-)
[15:17] <yofel> Ken8521_: it has not, it will be named a while before 10.10 release
[15:17] <Ken8521_> ya
[15:17] <mewshi> I'm trying to get 10.04 to link with Ubuntu One, but I can't find the "add this computer" button mentioned in the instructions.
[15:18] <Bunbury> hello all
[15:18] <Volkodav> How do I add gnome-applet-volume ?
[15:18] <Bunbury> could someone plz tell me how to manage running services in lucid lynx
[15:18] <anodesni> Hi, Wubi (ubuntu 10.04 64/32 bit) is crashing under windows 7 64 bit, is there a fix?
[15:19] <crow> If i add udev rule for harddisk, and then add entry in fstab for that disk, xubuntu 10.4 rc cant mount file system and then i just comment these two line for hdds and system boot fine.. If i enable these line and manualy mount -a harddisk are mounted fine.. if i do reboot again cant mount filesystemm i think there is a but somewhere /2
[15:19] <z0rt|work> Volkodav: sudo apt-get install gnome-applet-volume ?
[15:19] <crow> does somehere have more knowelage with udev or should i report this at all...
[15:19] <Volkodav> E: Couldn't find package gnome-applet-volume
[15:19] <dagny_ta1gart> hello, can anyone give me some feedback on flash performance in Lucid?
[15:20] <Ken8521_> Volkodav, i believe the sound applet is now part of indicator applet
[15:20] <mewshi> can anyone help me with ubuntu one?  I can't find the "Add computer' button >.>
[15:22] <Volkodav> Ken8521_: so howo i add it to the panel
[15:22] <helo> somehow i have 64MB free ram, with 1.1GB cached, but all of my swap is being used
[15:22] <Ken8521_> Volkodav, right click the panel, add to panel, add indicator applet
[15:22] <Ken8521_> it should be there though, unlessy ou removed it for some reason
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> helo: memory leak?
[15:23] <BUGabundo_remote> install atop
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> and run sudo atop 2
[15:24] <charlie-tca> mewshi, look in the account tab, "view the machines connected to this account" and see if it is already there
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> then press 'm'
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> hey charlie-tca
[15:24] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo_remote
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> wth is IRCAnswersBot ???!
[15:24] <helo> i did, it doesn't flag any processes... just shows that my swap is low
[15:24] <mewshi> charlie-tca, it's not.  I already checked.
[15:24] <BUGabundo_remote> helo: so why are you saying you don't have any mem free?
[15:25] <BUGabundo_remote> if atop doesn't show any abnormal usage?
[15:25] <charlie-tca> mewshi, did it open the website page?
[15:25] <helo> atop shows that my swap is depleted, but it doesn't flag any process as using such a massive amount of memory... and i still have 1.1GB of cached used ram that should be used way before the swap fills up
[15:26] <Bunbury> um is there a service manager in lucid lynx
[15:26] <BluesKaj> anodesni, wubi isn't designed to support beta OSes, so trying to run lucid in wubi is iffy and probly unstable ...if you want to run an ubuntu OS either run karmic in wubi or partition an ext4  for a proper installation
[15:26] <helo> oh well, i'll just reboot
[15:27] <anodesni> BluesKaj: so I can install 9.10 wubi and then upgrade to 10.04??
[15:27] <helo> we'll see if it happens again tomorrow... i just did a dist-upgrade, so maybe some package was upgraded that affected something running
[15:27] <helo> (in a way that won't occur in the final release)
[15:27] <inglor> anodesni: why use wubi instead of a traditional dual boot?
[15:27] <vish> IRCAnswersBot: what is grub?
[15:27] <tsimpson> it's a logging bot
[15:27] <vish> bleh , wastebot ;p
[15:27] <BluesKaj> on a proper install yes , but it's not recommended in wubi, anodesni
[15:28] <anodesni> inglor: I don't want to change my partitions
[15:28] <crow> seems here noone care for stuff reported...
[15:28] <anodesni> inglor: I still use mandriva as my main os
[15:28] <helo> crow: irc is not the proper forum for reporting bugs
[15:28] <BluesKaj> anodesni, why not change your partitions ?
[15:28] <Rissom> I can select a connection in 10.4 and it'll constantly keep asking me for the key, it doesn't actually connect to the Internet at all, I know the key is correct, any help?
[15:28] <inglor> anodesni: if you already are dual booting adding a third OS is pretty simple
[15:28] <anodesni> BluesKaj: Because I like it the way it is now
[15:29] <alvin> is there an ubuntu-one client in Kubuntu now?
[15:29] <crow> helo well this channel is created for that isnt it?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> anodesni, then you'll have to live with what you have
[15:29] <rohan> Rissom: which wifi card are you using?
[15:29] <anodesni> inglor: then I need to resize my home partition which is slow and my ruin my partitions
[15:29] <cwillu_at_work> crow, in a terminal, type:  "ubuntu-bug <package-with-the-bug>"
[15:29] <helo> crow: this channel is created if you need help
[15:29] <inglor> anodesni: you need the same amount of free space anyway
[15:29] <helo> ... "is created for when you need help"
[15:30] <cwillu_at_work> crow, and for discussion about fixing bugs and such.  It's not useful to report them here unless you know exactly who you need to talk to, and why they want to hear about it first here rather than in the bug tracker
[15:30] <crow> helo well yea i need help, cant boot system with udev++fstab entry..
[15:30] <anodesni> inglor: same as what?
[15:30] <inglor> anodesni: so if you have a space problem wubi is not the answer
[15:30] <inglor> anodesni: wubi uses as much HD space as partitioning your HD
[15:30] <anodesni> inglor: I have enough space on my windows partition
[15:30] <cwillu_at_work> crow, File. A. Bug.  It won't get fixed unless you do
[15:30] <inglor> anodesni: so why not just resize that?
[15:31] <red> is the lucid lynx release tomorrow?
[15:31] <anodesni> inglor: it's slow and might kill windows
[15:31] <crow> cwillu_at_work i wanna check if thats bug at first place... of udev, or fstab, or just booting need more time to mount hdds in first place
[15:31] <inglor> anodesni: what do you mean it's slow?
[15:31] <cwillu_at_work> crow, the best way to do that is to... file the bug.  :p
[15:31] <anodesni> inglor: last time i tried gparted, resizing was very slow (moving all this data)
[15:32] <inglor> anodesni: that's because NTFS is not handled well in gparted, the windows built in partitioning tool can resize a partition pretty fast
[15:32] <cwillu_at_work> crow, if you assign it to the wrong package, that package's maintainer will help figure out which package it should be, and they'll probably have a very good idea about it
[15:32] <Ken8521_> resizing a partition is always a slow process, especially if there's a lot of data to move
[15:32] <inglor> anodesni: also, in no way it will kill windows
[15:33] <Rissom> rohan: Belkin N Wireless USB Adapter F5D8053ed.
[15:33] <anodesni> inglor: ok, but the problem is, I'll probably trow ubuntu away in a day or two
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> Ken8521_, it's the moving that's slow;  it can be extremely quick in fact if things work out
[15:33] <Ken8521_> *if*..
[15:33] <crow> cwillu_at_work ok i will check on other distribution if this work or not..
[15:33] <inglor> anodesni: and why is that? it is a very good operating system
[15:33] <BluesKaj> anodesni, make sure you defrag the windows partition before resizing it
[15:33] <cwillu_at_work> crow, eh?  No, just file the damn bug already :p
[15:33] <crow> cwillu_at_work because now it doesnt work and need fix or it
[15:33] <anodesni> inglor: the theme is too fat, it is slow compared to mandriva, but I llike how complete it is
[15:34] <rohan> Rissom: check 'dmesg' if some obivous errors related to wlan are shown
[15:34] <Hillshum> Will just installing all the updates from Beta 2 bring me current?
[15:34] <intangir> why can i 'su intangir' from root and see my encrypted file system if i never put in my password? doesnt that make the security utterly worthless? anyone can get root on a stolen computer
[15:34] <Ken8521_> anodesni, slow compared to mandriva?  mandriva is oen fo the slowest distros i've ever used, short of Linspire
[15:34] <|rt|> has anyone run into compiz not starting after upgrading...I worked around this by adding it to the list of startup apps but that's a hack
[15:34] <intangir> hell anyone can get root with a live CD
[15:34] <inglor> anodesni: it is very complete, you don't have to deal with it, as you obviously know themes are easily changed
[15:34] <|rt|> on a possible related note I had all kinds of issues with the upgrade related to fglrx
[15:34] <anodesni> inglor: I know, but I do like the ubuntu theme, but my laptop screen sucks (1366x768)
[15:35] <inglor> anodesni: a theme is no reason to choose an operating system, the gnome you're getting in mandriva is the same gnome you're getting in ubuntu
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, what's the setup?  are you sure that the encrypted drive doesn't have a key for root as well?
[15:35] <inglor> anodesni: what is it about mandriva that you think is worse in ubuntu?
[15:35] <cwillu_at_work> Hillshum, yes
[15:36] <anodesni> inglor: the application startup time and the fonts that don't have the right sizes on websites
[15:37] <inglor> anodesni: well, to be honest I haven't touched mandriva in about 3 years but I doubt ubuntu is significantly slower or faster
[15:37] <anodesni> inglor: it's a minor problem, so I'll probably try ubuntu later for a while in my continuous distro hopping
[15:37] <inglor> anodesni: and about the fonts, I never experienced incorrect font size in ubuntu
[15:37] <anodesni> inglor: mandriva feels very fast and for me the most important thing about an OS is how it feels.
[15:37] <BluesKaj> anodesni, try kubuntu , you might like kde better
[15:38] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: how do i tell how many keys an ecrypted mount has, its not a full drive its using that ecryptfs
[15:38] <mewshi> charlie-tca, yes, it opened the page
[15:38] <anodesni> BluesKaj: I used arch linux with kde for a couple of years, I do like it
[15:38] <inglor> anodesni: well, ubuntu feels fast to me, but like I said, I haven't worked with mandriva for about 3 years
[15:38] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, explain exactly what you did, and what you expected to see
[15:39] <anodesni> BluesKaj: at least it adjusts the theme size depending on your screen size
[15:39] <inglor> anodesni: funny to say, the reason I left mandriva is because it started feeling cloggy and slow as an operating system :P that, and I also dislike the fact they're trying to shove their commercial products at you
[15:40] <anodesni> inglor: was it 2007.0/1 when you left?
[15:40] <BluesKaj> i prefer kde anodesni , but i do use some gtk apps as well , not a purist but do prefer the kde  "look"
[15:40] <inglor> anodesni, might have been makes sense... ubuntu is just so complete, it takes care of everything
[15:40] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i setup an ecryptfs to encrypt my files and it supposedly only mounts a 'view' of my unencrypted files when i log in with my password, making my files safe if my PC is stolen, so i logged out. then shelled in as root, and did 'su intangir' i never logged in with my password, root basically used priviledge to become my user, so it shouldnt have mounted my encrypted files since it is supposed to need my password.. yet
[15:40] <inglor> anodesni: I like how I only meddle with it when I feel like meddling
[15:41] <anodesni> inglor: that's its best point imo
[15:41] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, are you certain that the filesystem was unmounted?
[15:41] <anodesni> especially for the LTS
[15:42] <inglor> anodesni: that and I can't stand how mandriva tries to shove products that cost money at you... it's like using a shareware OS... like running a trial version
[15:42] <inglor> anodesni: I never got that feeling using other OSs that have supported paid versions like open suse or fedora
[15:42] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: ya, when i exit back to root it shows it hides it again. i tried rebooting to see if maybe somehow it had it cached somewhere? but it never came back online ;) its a new install... no idea whats wrong now im at work..
[15:43] <anodesni> inglor: how do they 'shove' it? I only have one icon on the desktop that says "upgrade to powerpack"
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, does it show up in 'mount'?
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, the only way to "hide" it is to unmount it, and close the luks block device
[15:43] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: it shows up in 'df -h'
[15:43] <inglor> anodesni: in my book that's shoving :) it doesn't feel like a free OS... like I said maybe it improved since I last used it...
[15:43] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, so it's not unmounted
[15:43] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i dont think this uses luks at all.
[15:44] <m_anish> Hi I am looking to install an older version of metacity (pre-lucid) into lucid-beta-2. How do I go about doing it. I have downloaded the required packages that need to be installed.
[15:44] <anodesni> inglor: that's something I don't really care about. For me it needs to be free as in free beer.
[15:44] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: no i mean it shows up in df -h when its mounted, and not after i logged off my user
[15:44] <intangir> but it mounts it without my pass
[15:44] <intangir> if i do 'su intangir'
[15:45] <intangir> anyway the damn machine wont reboot now so i guess i have bigger fish to fry...
[15:45] <inglor> anodesni: well, I wouldn't really call it free beer if you have to hear advertisments while you drink it... it just feels sneaky to me, with fedora or openSUSE you never get that sort of stuff
[15:45] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, sudo cryptsetup luksDump /dev/sda1 or whatever the device is
[15:46] <anodesni> inglor: what about ubuntu one: "Upgrade now, you'll get 50GB of storage!"
[15:47] <z0rt|work> does this 50GB of storage include ftp access
[15:47] <inglor> anodesni: that's paying for storage not software, even GMail has a paid plan for more storage :) paying for one is like paying for web-hosting, not paying for software... that said I don't use ubuntu one much
[15:47] <inglor> anodesni: I only use it to back-up my cell phone
[15:48] <z0rt|work> i should install ubuntu on my palm pre
[15:48] <Rissom> rohan: I just get this over and over and over again... http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/FstMQmF8
[15:48] <anodesni> inglor: I don't think the difference between ubuntu and mandriva is that big
[15:49] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i dont think ecryptfs involves luks or cryptsetup at all, thats for encrypted volumes right?
[15:49] <inglor> anodesni: what benefits does mandriva have nowdays?
[15:49] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, that's right, my mistake;  intangir, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EncryptedPrivateDirectory might be useful;
[15:49] <rohan> Rissom: can you post your complete dmesg output somewhere?
[15:49] <bazhang> inglor, anodesni please take mandriva chat to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[15:49] <inglor> right
[15:49] <Rissom> rohan: Give me 2 minutes.
[15:49] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, my money is still on operator error though :)
[15:50] <bazhang> there is also #mandriva :)
[15:50] <anodesni> inglor: liberation fonts, i568 optimized, recent packages for e.g. firefox 3.6 etc
[15:51] <anodesni> bazhang: sorry that was my last mandriva statement
[15:51] <bazhang> thanks :)
[15:52] <rohan> Rissom: and also the output of lscpi -v
[15:53] <virus>  I have a question
[15:53] <bazhang> virus, please ask
[15:53] <cwillu_at_work>  I have an answer
[15:54] <virus> what time is launched ubuntu 10.04?
[15:54] <bazhang> virus, not known
[15:54] <rohan> virus: any time in 48hours from now
[15:54] <bazhang> !party > virus
[15:54] <crow> cwillu_at_work reported...
[15:55] <cwillu_at_work> crow, bug #?
[15:55] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: my money is on ecrpytfs not being as secure as i thought. or caching
[15:55] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: probably caching
[15:55] <intangir> i hope...
[15:55] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, that's not how filesystem caching works though
[15:55] <crow> cwillu_at_work Bug #571277
[15:57] <crow> cwillu_at_work and this was msg General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system.
[15:57] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, my hunch is that you only have ~/Private encrypted, and that it is indeed encrypted properly;  an alternative theory is that you have other files written to that folder which you only see when the encrypted fs is unmounted (and thus showing through the original files at that location)
[15:58] <cwillu_at_work> crow, where does by-me come from?
[15:58] <cwillu_at_work> oh, I see
[15:59] <crow> cwillu_at_work i posted in comment. while submiting bug these files was "reported" i was thinking it would be also submited
[15:59] <nmobix> guys anyone can tell me how to figure out which module my ethernet card is using???
[15:59] <virus> Longer be released until 7:00,my time si 6:00 Pm
[16:00] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i meant password cachine, also you can encrypt and entire home now
[16:00] <intangir> and i didnt set any of this up, i just selected it during the installer
[16:00] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, I know you _can_, but _are_ you :p
[16:00] <intangir> ya
[16:00] <cwillu_at_work> password shouldn't be cached
[16:00] <intangir> i definately am
[16:01] <virus> so wait ubuntu whit my soul :))
[16:01] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, can you pastebin the output of "sudo mount; sudo ls -l ~/" with and without the encrypted folder mounted?
[16:01] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, you can use a private pastebin and pm me the link if you want
[16:02] <spvensko> hi, does anyone know the time of the 10.04 release? 12:00 AM EST? 12:00AM PST?
[16:02] <cwillu_at_work> spvensko, an hour later each time somebody asks
[16:02] <Rissom> rohan: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/SYx7MaKb
[16:02] <nmobix> guys anyone can tell me how to figure out which module my ethernet card is using???
[16:02] <spvensko> :P
[16:02] <intangir> ya it cashes it somewhere
[16:02] <intangir> cause now its not letting me in
[16:03] <intangir> it must cache the key somewhere when you log in for whatever reason..
[16:03] <spvensko> cwillu_at_work, in that case, "are we there yet?" "are we there yet?" "are we there yet?" :)
[16:03] <intangir> if i log in as me, then off (its unmounted) then su intangir from root, it somehow mounts and works.. even though i didnt reenter my pass
[16:03] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, might be that some process is still running with files open in that directory;  that would hold the mount open
[16:03] <intangir> but if i log in as root only, and do su intangir, it DOESNT mount (which is what i would expect)
[16:04] <Azoff> I have noticed that the 3d party driver for Nuvoton 677x (released by ASRock in my case) breaks due to the lirc_dev-2.6.33.patch as reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/570700
[16:04] <Azoff> as you can see in the report, I have tracked this down to the name change of the lock attribute in the struct lirc_buffer, but I can't tell *why* this breaks the source package from ASRock
[16:04] <Azoff> AFAIK, the compilation against lirc-modules-source should take care of this name change. There are no references to the lock attribute inside the source package, so it's not that trivial.
[16:04] <Azoff> any ideas are welcome.
[16:04] <cwillu_at_work> crow, and this still happens if you set the device paths in /etc/fstab to their normal names?
[16:04] <NoReflex> hello! do you know if the modesetting issue with nouveau has been resolved in the RC version of lynx? or a bug report link? AFAIK nvidia users had to add nouveau.modeset=0 as a kernel parameter before booting.
[16:05] <cwillu_at_work> crow, i.e., _not_ /dev/disk/by-me/...
[16:05] <virus> Will be the difference between RC and Final?
[16:05] <Azoff> virus: probably all the work done after the rc ;)
[16:05] <virus> no
[16:05] <Pici> er, yes.
[16:06] <anodesni> maybe they've fixed wubi
[16:07] <cwillu_at_work> NoReflex, worked for me
[16:08] <virus> if not solve the problem, which I have. get back on mandriva
[16:08] <NoReflex> cwillu_at_work: you mean you have a NVIDIA card and it worked out of the box with modesetting? or you added nouveau.modeset=0...?
[16:08] <cwillu_at_work> NoReflex, worked out of the box
[16:08] <NoReflex> cwillu_at_work: interesting...which GPU do you have? mine's 8600M GT (notebook)
[16:09] <cwillu_at_work> crow, still there?
[16:09] <Oxymoron> How do I get Nexus Personal WORK in any browser in *buntu? I need my freaking BankID NOW because I  need to tax declrate.
[16:10] <crow> cwillu_at_work it work fine with device names
[16:10] <cwillu_at_work> crow, what's the bug then?
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> crow, if you invent your own paths, you'll need to write your own udev rule to make them exist, right?
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> "/dev/disk/by-me/" is your own invention
[16:11] <cwillu_at_work> UUID=fdaacc84-8a07-49d1-a7d3-5f0bba5b3cd1 /mnt/HDD-06 xfs relatime 0 2 should work fine, for instance
[16:11] <crow> cwillu_at_work yes but the rule in comments do that. and if I enable these fstab lines it wont boot: General error mounting filesystems. A maintenance shell will now be started. CONTROL_D will terminate this shell and reboot the system.
[16:12] <crow> cwillu_at_work well if you wanna use udev and udev rules it doenst..
[16:12] <cwillu_at_work> crow, but why are you using those rules? :p
[16:12] <crow> cwillu_at_work and whats wrong with them? 9.10 work fine with it
[16:14] <crow> cwillu_at_work boot with fstab entry disabled, uncomment them and do: sudo mount -a, does mount them just fine...
[16:16] <Seldaek> heya, any idea why ubuntu10.4 doesn't include the kernel 2.6.33 that has TRIM support? I mean if 10.4 is LTS, you'd think TRIM is kinda important for the long term, but I don't know what's the kernel update policy in between ubuntu releases?
[16:16] <crow> cwillu_at_work but maybe you are right, costum rules costum problems. but i think it should just work..
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> Seldaek, because 2.6.33 causes other issues, it's not worth the risk
[16:16] <cwillu_at_work> Seldaek, nothing is stopping somebody from upgrading kernels if they need to
[16:17] <Pici> .33 was released too late in the release process to be viable for proper testing.
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I don't see the value of those rules in this case though;  you're just duplicating functionality that already exists (by-id/by-uuid/by-path(
[16:17] <Seldaek> cwillu_at_work: alright, but do you know if kernel upgrades come through between ubuntu releases or is the kernel only updated in releases?
[16:17] <cwillu_at_work> crow, yes, it should work, but it's not something I would ever do :)
[16:18] <Seldaek> meaning, is there any chance to get .33 throuhg ubuntu updates before 10.10 ?
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> Seldaek, the kernel will get patches and fixes, but it won't get updated to newer kernel releases
[16:18] <Seldaek> ok, so I'd have to update it manually
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> such a thing would risk breaking thousands of machines at a time
[16:18] <cwillu_at_work> and we try to avoid doing that :p
[16:18] <crow> cwillu_at_work doesnt mean its not a bug or something like that. they are costum rules which should work, and are working within 9.10
[16:18] <Seldaek> right :p
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> crow, that's what I said
[16:19] <rohan> is there a linux-backports package for lucid?
[16:19] <cwillu_at_work> crow, but from an administration stand point, you should prefer to use existing mechanisms if possible, because those are the approaches that get tested
[16:19] <rohan> basically i want compat-wireless on lucid
[16:19] <yofel> rohan: no, but we have mainline build packages if you want to test them
[16:20] <Seldaek> is there any knowledge base about compatibility with dell machines?:)
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> crow, hmm;  try setting them to mount in /media instead of /mnt
[16:20] <crow> cwillu_at_work oh well then no play with it... :)
[16:20] <cwillu_at_work> crow, you might be tricking mountall into thinking that they're actually a critical mount point rather than an optional one that can be mounted later in the boot
[16:21] <crow> cwillu_at_work and this way you know which disk is bad or failing... (have 14 of them)... this was just test of rc..
[16:21] <cwillu_at_work> crow, there's already monitoring with prompts to do that though
[16:21] <rohan> yofel: thanks.. do you mean from the source package linux-backports-modules-2.6.32 ?
[16:22] <crow> cwillu_at_work still in my angel of view its a bug, because it works on 9.10
[16:22] <cwillu_at_work> crow, your reading comprehension leaves something to be desired.  I already agreed that it was a bug.
[16:22] <yofel> rohan: no, those are drivers that were backported from .33 or .34 to the ubuntu .32 kernel
[16:22] <yofel> what I was talking about was http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[16:23] <cwillu_at_work> I'm just saying from a personal advice standpoint that it's a bug in behaviour that doesn't get a whole lot of testing
[16:23] <rohan> yofel: thanks, but i just wanted the backported modules.. i don't want to test a complete new kernel
[16:23] <cwillu_at_work> hence my yelling at you before to file the bug first :)
[16:23] <Volkodav> anybody knows of any other TRIM test except this ? http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-812509-highlight-ssd+trim.html
[16:23] <crow> cwillu_at_work thats why we are all testers :), and man like to play, and as this is home server doenst matter but i like it that way.
[16:24] <rohan> yofel: in any case, how does one use that ppa? is it possible to add it to sources.list like a normal ppa, or is that deliberately not possible?
[16:24] <yofel> Volkodav: not really, I tried trim here with 34-rc5 yesterday, but didn't manage to get it to work on ext4
[16:24] <cwillu_at_work> rohan, no, it's deliberately set up to not work as a normal ppa
[16:24] <yofel> rohan: deliberately not possible
[16:24] <Volkodav> yofel: I tried too with the same kernel
[16:24] <intangir> how do i setup an encrypted volume ontop of a raid
[16:25] <Volkodav> yofel: How dit you test though ?
[16:25] <intangir> well.. ontop of anything..
[16:25] <enseven> Hi all! Is there a samba package for lucid with ctdb support?
[16:26] <rohan> thanks, cwillu_at_work , yofel
[16:26] <cwillu_at_work> crow, try adding nobootwait to those lines in fstab
[16:26] <yofel> Volkodav: pretty much as described in the post, had to first get a newer firmware for my ssd though, but I didn't dare to try a manual trim with hdparm
[16:26] <Volkodav> yofel:  I think I will convert to btrfs
[16:26] <crow> cwillu_at_work ok but will first try to mount them to /media instead of /mnt
[16:26] <Volkodav> I do not want to touch hdparm neither
[16:26] <alvin> isn't '_netdev' the mount option that tells the system to wait for a network share?
[16:27] <yofel> alvin: it is
[16:27] <Volkodav> yofel: what version of hdparm to you have ?
[16:27] <alvin> and nobootwait is the opposite, right?
[16:27] <alvin> I can only find _netdev in man mount
[16:28] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, he doesn't want it to wait, he wants it to not drop to a recovery shell
[16:28] <yofel> Volkodav: I rebuilt hdparm 9.27-2 from debian as the ubuntu version doesn't have trim support, I reverted after my failed attempt though
[16:28] <Dreaman> http://uploadpic.org/showoriginal-56877/%C3%90%C2%A1%C3%90%C2%BD%C3%90%C2%B8%C3%90%C2%BC%C3%90%C2%BA%C3%90%C2%B0.png
[16:29] <alvin> That happened automatically in the old days. I can't find 'nobootwait' in the man pages. Maybe stuf for a papercut.
[16:29] <Dreaman> my ubuntu 10.04
[16:29] <Dreaman> pic
[16:29] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, it's as yet undocumented I believe
[16:30] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, and in the old days, there was equal and opposite breakage for other scenarios :)
[16:32] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, just checked the source, it's there :D
[16:32] <alvin> Well, there were things that were not possible or difficult then (like /boot and / on lvm), but I have never seen more mounts break than since the introduction of mountall/upstart/plymouth
[16:32] <alvin> cwillu_at_work: cool. Just curious, can you find _netdev in the source?
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> yep
[16:33] <cwillu_at_work> handled elsewhere though
[16:33] <alvin> Oh, good. Glad it still exists and I don't have to change my fstabs
[16:34] <cwillu_at_work> oh, there:  _netdev  triggers TAG_REMOTE if it's mounting /usr or /var, otherwise it triggers TAG_NOWAIT the same as nobootwait does
[16:34] <alvin> I noticed today that fresh lucid installs put 'nodev,noexec,nosuid' as options for proc. Before, that was 'defaults' (which is not the same, according to the manual)
[16:35] <alvin> the same?
[16:35] <alvin> so, it's useless for /home
[16:35] <cwillu_at_work> no, /home doesn't come into play until later anyway
[16:36] <cwillu_at_work> you can also specify "bootwait" to force it to wait regardless, but you don't want to do that for /home
[16:36] <alvin> This is what man mount says: "used to prevent the system from attempting to mount these filesystems until the network has been enabled on the system"
[16:36] <alvin> I wanted it in karmic as a workaround for some bugs
[16:37] <cwillu_at_work> which, _netdev, or bootwait?
[16:37] <alvin> Well, _netdev actually. Because of the description. But it should have been bootwait according to what you just said
[16:38] <Rissom> Eh, just a heads up - thanks to rohan for helping me out <3.
[16:38] <cwillu_at_work> why was your boot relying on /home being mounted?
[16:39] <alvin> It wasn't! mountall just halted the boot when NFS mounts where not found when the network wasn't up.
[16:39] <An_Ony_Moose> can PiTiVi crop videos?
[16:39] <crow> cwillu_at_work with /media/* it works with these rules...
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, okay, that could be, I'm not looking at karmic's code right now
[16:39] <alvin> It was just sitting there. Each time, you had to use the recovery shell
[16:39] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, as currently written, nfs mounts get _netdev implicitely
[16:39] <alvin> Oh, but those bugs are fixed in Lucid. They will remain unfixed for karmic.
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> ... okay?  :p
[16:40] <alvin> Hmm, good to know. So, you don't have to specify it in fstab anymore
[16:40] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, and here I thought we were in #ubuntu+1 :p
[16:40] <An_Ony_Moose> if not, is there a video editor that can?
[16:40] <alvin> Well, the documentation in Lucid is still an issue
[16:40] <Volkodav> yofel: any idea why is it not working ? What SSD do you have by the way
[16:41] <Volkodav> ?
[16:41] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, well, that'll come in time;  one of the benefits of being able to read both bug reports and source code is that you can get away with less documentation :p
[16:42] <yofel> Volkodav: ocz vertex, and no, no idea why it isn't working, but I haven't looked into it much, I can wait until maverick alpha to test it
[16:42] <joaopinto> and the bad part is that you get more bug reports and support requests to read :)
[16:42] <alvin> cwillu_at_work: So I've notived. Not entirely 'Linux for human beings' isn't it?
[16:42] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, there's not a whole lot of cases that you'd need to explicitly set those options anymore;  I'm pretty sure that's actually the reason why they're undocumented:  sop that they get bug reports rather than thousands of people simply working around it
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, mount options aren't entirely "linux for human beings" in the first place
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> for most people, a documented mount option is not better than an undocumented one
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> s/not better/no better/
[16:43] <alvin> Agreed. The actual software made this more simple, but due to the many bugs it was necessary to read up on it. Karmic isn't unsupported, but will remain unfixed, and that's a pity.
[16:43] <cwillu_at_work> it's the lts that matters, really
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> if you're on karmic, you're probably upgrading every 6 months anyway
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> most of my "fire and forget" users will be staying on lucid
[16:44] <Volkodav> yofel: what do you think will be in maverick that we can not get now ? supported kernel and supported FS ext4
[16:44] <alvin> Well, no. Other bugs forced me to karmic. Now, some bugs force me to Lucid, and  hope I can stay there for a while.
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> see, that's a different approach to life :)
[16:44] <cwillu_at_work> er, that's the approach to life that I mean
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> you can fix bugs without upgrading generally, and I tend to get really grumpy when things that I fixed get broken by normal updates pushing out big fixes
[16:45] <alvin> Well, we'll see. Much has happened in regard to bug fixing in the last week. There's only one real showstopper left for me and I can live with that.
[16:45] <cwillu_at_work> which is that?
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> (don'tsayxdon'tsayxdon'tsayx)
[16:46] <alvin> It still has to be confirmed: bug 563895
[16:46] <yofel> Volkodav: well, I'm not sure, ask me again sometime next week, I'll look into this over the weekend (I usually idle around in #ubuntu)
[16:46] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, I'm sorry, I missed your pm until just now
[16:47]  * alvin looks at the time and starts running (Quassel remains)
[16:47] <Volkodav> it's tough to idle in ubuntu lol too crowded - but I will
[16:47] <virus> ubuntu is fake bitch,Debian si the best
[16:47] <yofel> !language | virus
[16:47] <Paddy_NI> there is a show stopper https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+bug/501207
[16:48] <Paddy_NI> Medium!!!
[16:48] <Paddy_NI> O_o
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, can you give me the output of mount, not the output of df?
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> df doesn't tell me anything useful
[16:48] <yofel> Paddy_NI: all crashes are medium by default
[16:48] <Paddy_NI> "computer catches fire" medium,undecided
[16:48] <donpdonp> lol
[16:48] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, is that using a separate /boot mount?
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> Paddy_NI, wontfix: regular maintenance includes blowing out the cat hair once in a while
[16:49] <Paddy_NI> cwillu: but my computer is powered by cats
[16:49] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, people who expect grub to boot anything remotely odd get what they deserve when it breaks :p
[16:50] <cwillu_at_work> Paddy_NI, might I suggest a usb fan?
[16:50] <sXs-> is it channel about new ubuntu 10.04?
[16:50] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, kinda sorta
[16:50] <bazhang> sXs-, yes
[16:51] <cwillu_at_work> bazhang, _kinda_ _sorta_
[16:51] <bazhang> sXs-, also #ubuntu-release-party
[16:51] <sXs-> and is here anybody from Canonical? or it is just like channel for discussion?
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, I'd expect some are, yes
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, you'll find you have more luck if you just ask your question :p
[16:52] <eBryggis> Anyone else having trouble opening System -> Administration -> Hardware Drivers? Sympoms -> No error, no dialog, no reaction after click.
[16:52] <crow> cwillu_at_work should i write on bug report that it works under /media ?
[16:52] <cwillu_at_work> crow, yes
[16:52] <virus> ppl Debian is very good
[16:52] <bazhang> !ot > virus
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I didn't see anything in mountall referring to /mnt or /media specifically, but that the behaviour is different is useful to know
[16:53] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I'm not %100 sure of what debian policy is with regards to /mnt, but you should be aware that it isn't necessarily the same as /media
[16:54] <cwillu_at_work> crow, i.e,. if your use of /mnt is non-standard, it might actually be a wontfix
[16:54] <crow> cwillu_at_work well i will also use debian policy with regards to mount stuff...
[16:55] <ringer> eBryggis, try to run /usr/bin/jockey-gtk from terminal
[16:55] <cwillu_at_work> crow, yep;  I just mean to check what it says
[16:56] <cwillu_at_work> crow, there's no references at all to /mnt or /media in mountall's source though, so I'm not sure where the difference comes from
[16:56] <yofel> actually, looking in the fhs would be better: http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html
[16:57] <sXs-> At the moment I am using 9.10 and when npviewer.bin segfaults (not always, but sometimes) appears black screen and system does not respond at all. So I think Xserver crashes
[16:57] <cwillu_at_work> yofel, I meant with regards to why /media is behaving differently from /mnt at all
[16:58] <cwillu_at_work> sXs-, I believe we have out-of-process plugins backported into our firefox in 10.04, although I'm not 100% sure of that
[16:58] <cwillu_at_work> that's basically an official means of doing what npviewer.bin does
[16:58] <yofel> hm, I think /mnt was for temporary mounts used by the administrator, /media was for removable drives
[16:59] <cwillu_at_work> yofel, this doesn't answer why one is actually behaving differently in fstab though :p
[16:59] <crow> cwillu_at_work now i tried to access a one third disk and got theses: http://paste.debian.net/71079/
[16:59] <eBryggis> ringer: Ok, now I get an error. Quite long, starts with ERROR:dbus.proxies:Introspect error on :1.40/DeviceDriver:.....
[16:59] <yofel> yeah...
[17:00] <virus> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS (Lucid Lynx) Daily Build
[17:00] <virus> is final?
[17:00] <bazhang> no
[17:00] <cwillu_at_work> crow, is that the whole dmesg trace? (everythinig at 411.*)
[17:00] <cwillu_at_work> crow, I don't think it's related to this, more of a hardware fault or something
[17:01] <ringer> eBryggis, put it on pastie.org and post a link to it here
[17:02] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: its apparently caching the key, in something called kernel keyring?
[17:02] <intangir> so it doesnt need to reunwrap it cause it already has it
[17:03] <intangir> i guess im ok with that cause it apparently loses it if it goes down
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, could be;  you haven't given me any of the information I've asked for though :p
[17:03] <intangir> so if someone steals it they wont be able to mount my stuff
[17:03] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, if that's the case, there'll be a way to force it to forget the key as well (required to defeat some attacks)
[17:04] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: well that command shows a bunch of encrypted looking strings im not going to share ;) anyway i think im good, it still serves my purpose and i am pretty sure its working as intended
[17:04] <intangir> and ya i think there is a way with this command called 'keyctl'
[17:04] <intangir> but i am not sure how yet
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> anything less than full disk encryption with a kernel stored on removable media on your keychain is pointless on a pc :p
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> intangir, it shouldn't, it should just show device names and uuids;  if it shows actual key material, that's a massive bug that _needs_ to be fixed
[17:04] <cwillu_at_work> man keyctl
[17:05] <intangir> well i dont know what it means its just strings of jibberish
[17:05] <crow> cwillu_at_work no its seems its something else http://paste.debian.net/71082/
[17:05] <eBryggis> Posted in wrong channel earlier, sorry about that. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/MswNR1ah - Here is the error I am receiving running /usr/bin/jockey-gtk
[17:05] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: i appreciate all the help but i think at this point it is working as intended for my purposes ;) so im onto the next thing
[17:06] <intangir> cwillu_at_work: really do appreciate your help though
[17:06] <amereservant> Hey, I've had both the mini install and upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 fail.
[17:07] <amereservant> Anyone want to investigate?
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, file a bug with more details
[17:08] <joaopinto> amereservant, you need to provide more details about "fail"
[17:08] <cwillu_at_work> link the bug here after you've filed it
[17:09] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Well I'm not sure how to file the bug when Ubuntu won't load at all on the upgrade.  It locks up and times out at boot with an error message.
[17:09] <Pici> What error message?
[17:10] <amereservant> The mini install gives me an error something like "Install halted, too many errors" when doing a very minimal install.
[17:10] <amereservant> Pici: One sec, let me reboot and see.
[17:11] <amereservant> In regards to the mini install, I exit aptitude after the error and finish the installation and it seems to be ok, but I'm not sure what all failed, so I don't know the implications of that error.
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, still there?
[17:12] <amereservant> Where do I need to file the update error at?  There's a lot I need to type since I can't copy/paste.
[17:12] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, re: lvm snapshots, what was your kernel line when you were booting into the snapshot?
[17:13] <cwillu_at_work> alvin, http://www.felipe-alfaro.org/blog/2009/05/16/lvm-snapshots-and-non-destructive-linux-upgrades/ implies that you need to specify root=/dev/root/<snapshot-name>
[17:13] <amereservant> *upgrade error I mean.
[17:13]  * cwillu_at_work can hardly wait until btrfs obsoletes lvm :p
[17:14] <funkyHat> Any oen else's cursor do a crazy blinky flashy thing sometimes?
[17:15] <funkyHat> Usually just as I change focus by clicking on another window
[17:15] <crow> cwillu_at_work weird after restart and repeating same procedure no that error...
[17:15] <cwillu_at_work> crow, failing harddrives are like that :p
[17:16] <amereservant> Can anyone link me to the correct place?
[17:17] <crow> cwillu_at_work nop i dont think so, 2x new hdd + 1x 4month hdd
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> crow, most drive failures are inside of 6 months of manufacture, or outside of 3 years
[17:18] <cwillu_at_work> infant mortality rate is known to be high
[17:18] <eagles0513875> tomorrow is release day :)
[17:19] <cwillu_at_work> a raid with multiple drives all off the same manufacturing line is a disaster waiting to happen
[17:19] <crow> cwillu_at_work :)
[17:19] <eBryggis> I am having trouble loading "Hardware Drivers" dialog. Retrieves the following error running /usr/bin/jockey-gtk. Anyone else experiencing this? ( System 10.04 RC - http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/MswNR1ah )
[17:19] <helo> btrfs isn't done yet?
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> helo, no, we still get new and exciting kernel panics on a daily basis :)
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> I use it myself in a bunch of stuff, but that's because I'm both insane and have really good backups
[17:20] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work:  will those kernel panics postpone release tomorrow
[17:20] <eagles0513875> !btrfs
[17:20] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, why would they?
[17:20] <marienz> you seem to be confused :P
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, btrfs isn't the standard filesystem yet
[17:21] <eagles0513875> ahhh its a filesystem
[17:21] <marienz> cwillu_at_work: I shall start referring people praising btrfs to you :P
[17:21] <eagles0513875> ok thought it was a program
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> it'll probably be for the next lts release though
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> marienz, I'm one of those people :p
[17:21]  * helo retreats into the familiar past of multi-filesystem ambivalence
[17:21] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work: what perks does it have over ext4
[17:21] <cwillu_at_work> marienz, you need to run 2.6.33 at a bare minimum for any sort of stability
[17:21] <marienz> cwillu_at_work: well, I shall recommend those claiming it makes sense for daily use to you
[17:22] <marienz> err, "recommend" was the wrong word there
[17:22] <helo> btrfs does checksumming for every read/write/copy, afaik
[17:22] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, checksumming, built-in duplication of metadata, copy-on-write instead of journalling, built in snapshotting, subvolumes, compression, raid, storage pools, etc
[17:22] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, it's basically zfs for linux
[17:22] <eagles0513875> then why not use zfs which has been around for a while cwillu_at_work
[17:22] <cwillu_at_work> marienz, I use it for daily use on one of my servers, as well as in embedding products that we sell :)
[17:23] <helo> you sell products with btrfs? how do you keep good backups for your customers?
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, zfs isn't licence compatible, and is therefore only usable as fuse;  btrfs is also expected to surpass it in several ways
[17:23] <eagles0513875> cwillu: will that be replacing ext4
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> helo, network backups
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, yes
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> ext4 is a stopgap
[17:23] <helo> you weren't joking about being insane :)
[17:23] <cwillu_at_work> helo, and did I mention that I'm insane? :D
[17:24] <eagles0513875> cwillu: why use something thats still not stable at all for a major distro such as the ubuntu line when it will only lead to problems and instabilites
[17:24] <marienz> ext4 is an incremental improvement over ext3 that could be rolled out quickly with reasonable confidence it wouldn't eat lots of data (because the code it's directly based on is pretty stable), afaict.
[17:24] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, eh?  we don't
[17:24] <eagles0513875> btrfs makes sense maybe in a server environment
[17:24] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, ubuntu only uses btrfs if you force it to
[17:24] <cwillu_at_work> it doesn't even offer it as an install option
[17:25] <marienz> cwillu_at_work: does the livecd kernel even support it?
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> the kernel module is included, but that doesn't matter in the slightest
[17:25] <alkisg> Where can I find linux-image-2.6.32-20-generic? I can't find it in packages.ubuntu.com nor in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/...
[17:25] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work: cuz u mentioned it will be in next release
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, the next long-term release, and probably
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> that's in like 2 years :p
[17:25] <eagles0513875> cwillu_at_work: gotcha
[17:25] <eagles0513875> there was just a lil ambiguity you just cleared up
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> I don't decide these things, I just predict them :)
[17:25] <cwillu_at_work> eagles0513875, I said lts
[17:26] <cwillu_at_work> honestly, checksumming is a huge deal, even on the desktop
[17:26] <cwillu_at_work> it's already saved my ass a couple times
[17:26] <eagles0513875> ya hehe im understanding the purpose of it now as i have been studying it in the sense of networking but im sure concepts are the same
[17:26] <charlie-tca> alkisg, you are downgrading the kernel?
[17:26] <alkisg> charlie-tca: yes, because the current one won't boot with my intel 845
[17:27] <cwillu_at_work> there's actually a network filesystem that's being built on top of it as well
[17:27] <cwillu_at_work> (btw, thank oracle for this :p)
[17:27] <cwillu_at_work> afk
[17:28] <charlie-tca> alkisg: might ask in #ubuntu-kernel if there is a copy available
[17:28] <alkisg> Thanks
[17:28]  * helo wonders if btrfs works well on a single-core machine
[17:29] <helo> seems like you'd really need an extra core to be doing the checksumming
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> helo, crc32 is insanely fast
[17:29] <helo> beans
[17:29] <cwillu_at_work> helo, I use it on arm boards with no noticeable performance degredation
[17:30] <cwillu_at_work> you don't have to checksum everything, even just checksumming metadata is a big win, but it's not like it's prohibitive to checksum everything
[17:35] <amereservant> http://pastebin.com/iuWgEyYk  That's the error I get after upgrading from Ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04.  I can't report it as a bug since I cannot get into Ubuntu.
[17:36] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, how did you upgrade?
[17:36] <cwillu_at_work> and can you copy out the kernel line from grub?
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> cat /proc/cmdline from that prompt should tell you actually
[17:37] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Errr, from inside of 9.10, I typed something (not sure now) and it then showed the option to upgrade to 10.04 in the update manager.
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, okay, so you didn't do anything too crazy there
[17:37] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, there's an update log stored somewhere, I don't know where off hand though :(
[17:37] <moderndayzero> quick question when i install my GBA emulator through PlayOnLinux it plays during the install 100% but after everyting is done and closed out, i try and open it through the shortcuts in my applications menu and my PlayOnLinux menu and nothing happens. any clue?
[17:38] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, but for starters, from that recovery prompt, what does  cat /proc/cmdline tell you?
[17:38] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: The output from that command was root=/dev/mapper/nvidia_deaaicbd1 ro quiet splash
[17:38] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, what filesystem are you using?  anything odd or unusual about your install?
[17:39] <cwillu_at_work> (previously)
[17:39] <cwillu_at_work> also, what's the output of "ls /dev/sd*"?
[17:39] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: No, normal drive, dual-boot configuration with grub.
[17:41] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: /dev/sdf /dev/sdd /dev/sdb5 /dev/sdb3 /dev/sdb1 /dev/sda /dev/sde /dev/sdc /dev/sdb4 /dev/sdb2 /dev/sdb
[17:41] <uspenok> lucid rc live cd shows error message on boot and goes to reboot
[17:41] <uspenok> wtf with ubuntu last relise
[17:41] <uspenok> i try to install it 3 times beta1, beta2 and rc and nothing
[17:41] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, any of those look familiar? :p
[17:42] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: I would be guessing, but I think /dev/sda would be my primary drive.  The others would likely be the media card reader slots and the extra hdd.
[17:42] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any advantage after release to update&&upgrade vs. using the gui update in an installed RC?
[17:43] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, there's no partition on sda though that I can see
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Jake2|cfl:  should be the same
[17:43] <ojii> hi everyone
[17:43] <ojii> is it normal that i don't get a GRUB menu when I boot lucid?
[17:43] <helo> yes
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> ojii:  if  ubuntu is the only OS. yes.
[17:43] <cwillu_at_work> ojii, yes.  hold shift down to get the prompt
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> grub hides the menu bu default
[17:43] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Well grub is still there and booting into Windows 7 works fine.
[17:44] <ojii> ah, good to know Dr_Willis, cwillu_at_work. I was getting a bit worried
[17:44] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: It's when I select any of the Ubuntu 10.04 options from grub that it results in this.
[17:44] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, it's got the wrong root device for some reason
[17:45] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, does "df -h / " say anything interesting?
[17:45] <cwillu_at_work> or "df -h /root" ?
[17:45] <yukiseaside> when
[17:46] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Invalid option 'h'
[17:46] <emet> so it's coming out today
[17:46] <emet> anyone have any idea when?
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> emet, -> #ubuntu-release-party
[17:46] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, try "df /"
[17:47] <emet> ok
[17:47] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Looking at that list from the ls command.... I think /dev/sdb and /dev/sdb1 would be my root drive.  that is two partitions, right?
[17:47] <archa> i installed lucid
[17:47] <archa> and workspace switcher does nt work
[17:47] <amereservant> *output was Filesystem 1024-blocks  Used Available Use% Mounted on
[17:47] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: ^^
[17:48] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /dev/sdb is the device itself, /dev/sdb1 is the first partition on it
[17:49] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Hmmm.  very strange.
[17:49] <archa> how do i get it work ?
[17:49] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, in grub, try changing the kernel line's root to "root=/dev/sdb5"
[17:49] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: My primary drive should have two partitions, one for windows, one for linux.
[17:49] <amereservant> Ok.
[17:49] <archa> i installed lucid Rc.. workspace switcher does not work. how do i switch it on ?
[17:50] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Where do I look for how to edit in grub?
[17:50] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, if that doesn't work, try root=/dev/sdb4, and so on
[17:50] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Ok.
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> arand:  you refering to the compiz feature?
[17:50] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, instructions should be at the bottom of the screen when you boot;  edit the top entry, and go down the the line that says "kernel", find the part of it that says root=/dev/..., and change it as I described
[17:53] <helo> with the assumption of checksummed data on disk, it seems like there are a lot of superflous utilities and checks duplicating that effort...
[17:53] <cwillu_at_work> helo, how do you mean?
[17:54] <helo> cwillu_at_work: would it ever be important to sha1sum a file after copying it?
[17:54] <cwillu_at_work> security checks still need to be performed;  crc32 is only effective at detecting accidental modifications
[17:54] <helo> so if i have a little utility that copies a file, and runs a checksum on it (which i do), that would be pretty useless
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> not necessarily
[17:55] <helo> so maybe not "lots" ;)
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> rsync is still useful for instance
[17:55] <cwillu_at_work> checksums are _very_ useful when data can just go bad on its own, and data _can_ go bad on its own
[17:55] <helo> hmmmm yeah... so no checksumming on read?
[17:55] <switchgirl> http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/13650 this down for you?
[17:56] <cwillu_at_work> helo, ?  checksums _are_ done on read :p
[17:56] <switchgirl> !firefox
[17:56] <switchgirl> !firefox-3.5
[17:57] <cwillu_at_work> helo, consider a system which is only rarely rebooted:  how do you fsck that?
[17:58] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: /dev/sdb1 did the trick.  If I can figure out how to get the Nvidia driver to work correctly, I'll be set!  Thanks for the help man.  As far as the mini install errors go, I can't see any issues on that machine from the errors, so I do not know what those were or the significance of them.
[17:58] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, I'm guessing they're related to why grub didn't set things up correctly
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, you'll still have to sort that out, but at least you know how to boot by hand until you can fix it :)
[17:59] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Well actually, that was on a different box.
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> well, still :p
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> re: nvidia, do _not_ install the package from nvidia's site
[17:59] <cwillu_at_work> should be able to install it via the drivers control panel
[18:01] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Alright.  i think it is still using the same one from 9.10.  But anyways, why the upgrade goofed up my grub, I dunno.  Just glad it isn't significant. I was just going to re-install a fresh copy, but I'd rather test to see if it's a bug or just a minor flaw which it appeared to be the latter.
[18:02] <archa> i installed lucid Rc.. workspace switcher does not work. how do i switch it on ?
[18:02] <archa>  it does not even appear
[18:02] <amereservant> I don't mind taking the extra time trying to fix it since bugs don't get fixed by just re-installing it.  And not everyone has that option.
[18:03] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, yep;  probably file a bug against grub.  May not get fixed right away, but at least somebody stands a chance of finding it from a search, etc
[18:04] <yukiseaside> !ubottu
[18:04] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: yeah,  not a bad idea.  I  thought about just posting it in the Ubuntu forums with the steps & instructions you gave me to fix it.
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> ugh, don't do that
[18:04] <cwillu_at_work> posting in ubuntuforums doesn't get these things fixed, it just helps people break their computers more :p
[18:05] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: LOL, ok.  Well i wasn't completely sure if it should be filed as a bug or if it's just a very rare issue.
[18:05] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, doesn't matter if it's rare, doesn't matter if it's decided that it won't get fixed;  it only matters that it's reported so that these decisions can be made :)
[18:07] <mewshi> can someone help me get ubuntu one working on my desktop?
[18:07] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Gotcha.  Curious question.... do you know about what size the install for 10.04 is?  Oh, btw, how do I made my changes to grub stick?
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, that's what I was talking about before :p
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/grub/* and /etc/default/grub* are the relevant places to look
[18:08] <cwillu_at_work> installed size, I'm not sure offhand
[18:09] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Oh, gotcha.  yeah, I was curious about the size thing because I'm wondering if the mini install is worth the trouble or not.  It comes out to about 2.1GB with a bare minimum install.
[18:09] <epv>  can i directly update ubuntu from 9.04 to 10.04
[18:09] <epv> ?
[18:09] <ubu_user> epv, you'd need to update to 9.10 then to 10.04
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> epv, there's ugly ways, but they're unsupported and likely to utterly break everything
[18:10] <cwillu_at_work> epv, only direct upgrade that is supported is from 8.04 -> 10.04 (lts to lts)
[18:10] <Pici> or 9.10 to 10.04
[18:10] <mewshi> anyone know how to link a computer to Ubuntu One right now?
[18:10] <ubu_user> cwillu_at_work, isn't 9.10 also supported.  Ahh, Pici to the rescue
[18:11] <cwillu_at_work> sorry, I thought that was obvious :p
[18:11] <epv> can I do it in one shot? ie update 9.10 and immediatly to 10.04?
[18:11] <cwillu_at_work> the only upgrade skipping releases that is supported :p
[18:11] <sinux> epv, go here to see more http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview#Upgrading%20from%20Ubuntu%209.10%20or%20Ubuntu%208.04%20LTS
[18:12] <epv> thanks
[18:13] <helo> is 8.04 newer than lenny?
[18:14] <helo> ahh, looksl ike lenny is from feb '09... so maybe it's safe to say that ubuntu LTS is newer than debian stable maybe half the time
[18:14]  * helo adds a few more maybes
[18:15] <cwillu_at_work> maybe you shouldn't
[18:15] <moderndayzero> quick question when i install my GBA emulator through PlayOnLinux it plays during the install 100% but after everyting is done and closed out, i try and open it through the shortcuts in my applications menu and my PlayOnLinux menu and nothing happens. any clue?
[18:17] <ubu_user> moderndayzero, there are several native GBA emulators in Linux, why not try one of them instead of using an MS version?  Good luck man.
[18:17] <moderndayzero> any personal prefrences?
[18:17]  * helo prefers the real thing
[18:18] <ubu_user> moderndayzero, i believe mednafen (or similar named) works ok
[18:18] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Very strange.  Grub doesn't exist in /etc/grub/* and /etc/default/grub* so I did sudo find / -name grub and it came up with /usr/sbin/grub /usr/lib/grub /usr/share/grub /boot/grub.
[18:19] <moderndayzero> ok because ive tried other emus linux based for nes snes sega etc and most have issues but i used the windiws ones through PoL and they worked fine. but i will try thankyou
[18:19] <epv> does 10.04 has gnome 3?
[18:19] <dunas> Is the ATI driver that restricted hardware is picking up safe to install yet, or should I wait?
[18:19] <ubu_user> epv, no - still Gnome2
[18:20] <epv> can I install gnome 3 in 10.04?
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/grub.d
[18:20] <Dr_Willis> is gnome-3 actually out yet? or are you refering to the 2.??? whatever it is called
[18:20] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, odd;
[18:20] <Pici> gnome-shell
[18:20] <jbroome> lucid RC server install, both i386 and amd64 fail at different points when installing to ESX.  Packages not found on the iso, or grub install failed.  ISOs check out as ok with MD5sum
[18:21] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: It seems that my grub is in /boot/grub/menu.lst file.
[18:21] <dunas> gnome 3 is pretty interesting but I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it so far. I'll probably wind up using it for a bit closer to its official release, I guess
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, that file isn't supposed to be edited by you;
[18:21] <jbroome> Didn't see anything in the release notes, or scanning the irc log for today.  known issue?
[18:21] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, you can change it, but your changes will be clobbered the next time a kernel is updated
[18:21] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Ohhh.  How is it suppose to be edited?
[18:21] <ubu_user> dunas, gnome-shell took me a day to get used too (i really didn't like it initially), but once I got the hang of it, it's interesting
[18:22] <dunas> I appreciate what they're trying to do with it, I'm just not sure how well it'll work in practice.
[18:22] <Dr_Willis> is gnome shell finally installable? :)
[18:22] <ubu_user> dunas, gnome-shell if VERY similar to UNE interface
[18:23] <ubu_user> Dr_Willis, yes - a dependency that took FOREVER was fixed a little while ago
[18:23] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/default/grub and /etc/grub.d/ files
[18:23] <Dr_Willis> ubu_user:  :) right on schedule.. heh
[18:24] <dunas> ubu_user, sorry, I don't know what you mean by UNE interface D:
[18:24]  * ubu_user is really ZykoticK9 at another location BTW
[18:24] <MariachiAC> Hello. i've tried booting the current lucid image. I'm on an amd machine amd athalon3400+ with 1 gig of ram. It has a sis video card which is at 128 megs. Ubuntu 9.10 boots however. What seems to be the problem?
[18:24] <Dr_Willis> netbook interface. is really nice in many ways.. slightly annoying in others.
[18:24] <ubu_user> dunas, Ubuntu Network Edition (previously Remix)
[18:24] <dunas> Oh, oh! Okay.
[18:24] <ubu_user> s/Network/Netbook
[18:24] <om26er> what is the name of the network manager of KDE (default)
[18:24] <dunas> Yeah, now that you mention it I can see the resemblance.
[18:25] <om26er> make that kubuntu
[18:25] <dunas> Are the ATI propietary drivers safe to install on 10.04 nightly, or is it still not updated?
[18:27] <c0vert> dunas: i use them
[18:27] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: /etc/default/grub doesn't exist.  /etc/grub.d/ are all script files.
[18:27] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, you've got a borked install :)
[18:28] <theadmin> Can someone explain? It was running all slooooooooooooooow, and after fsck it got to normal speed. What could that be?
[18:28] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, /etc/grub.d are the script files which are used to generated that file in /boot/grub;  they _should_ detect everything correctly, but you can modify them to your needs as well
[18:28] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: Ahhh, gotcha.
[18:28] <westinghouse> whats the release date of 10.4?
[18:29] <theadmin> westinghouse: 29.04.2010
[18:29] <ubu_user> !isitout
[18:29] <lucitu> An_Ony_Moose: update-grub
[18:29] <westinghouse> what time? pacific standard time?
[18:29] <jrib> westinghouse: "when it is ready"
[18:29] <theadmin> If it'd be out this channel would be dedicated to 10.10
[18:29] <ubu_user> westinghouse, the exact time is not know, and won't be
[18:29] <theadmin> westinghouse: GMT, I think
[18:30] <westinghouse> fascinating
[18:30] <dunas> 11:59 PM 10/29/10 PST
[18:30] <Pici> ...
[18:30] <lucitu> westinghouse: it's out though not officialy
[18:30] <Pici> lucitu: No, its not.
[18:30] <westinghouse> yeah i think its out
[18:30] <lucitu> just get the rc iso and then zsynch later
[18:31] <dunas> On a serious note the nightly is rock solid and I'm eagerly hoping the official update comes through clean tomorrow.
[18:31] <cwillu_at_work> westinghouse, it's 10.04, not 10.4 (10.10 will be newer than 10.04, which is why the numbering matters :p)
[18:31] <westinghouse> yeah solid as a  rock, but i ask myself why samba 3.5 isnt on the release
[18:32] <lucitu> Pici: release iso are in testing
[18:32] <westinghouse> cause it uses smb 2.0 that performs much better compared to smb 1
[18:32] <Pici> lucitu: That doesn't mean that they're released.
[18:32] <theadmin> I dunno, the RC is pretty stable
[18:33] <lucitu> Pici: i said not officially
[18:33] <Fishscene> Samba 3.5 may not have been included in this release for many reasons.. be it stability, doesn't feel quite ready, etc..
[18:33] <lucitu> Pici: i bet u the release wud be timestamped 4/27
[18:33] <EdgEy> Anyone else having problems with fglrx on 10.04?
[18:33] <theadmin> They did include tha GRUB 2 on Karmic , alas I can't say it's ready even by now
[18:33] <EdgEy> edgey@blackbox:~$ fglrxinfo
[18:33] <EdgEy> Segmentation fault
[18:34] <Fishscene> Karmic wasn't an LTS release.
[18:34] <Fishscene> LTS (Long-Term Support) focuses on stability.
[18:34] <theadmin> Fishscene: I know. What I'm saying is that Karmic (and therefore Lucid), includes something which is imho far not ready
[18:35] <Pici> westinghouse: samba 3.5 isn't even in debian unstable, only experimental.  Thats not really something we would include on an LTS release.
[18:35] <theadmin> Pici: oh... that's how it is. I see.
[18:35] <Pici> theadmin: grub1 is deprecated.
[18:35] <theadmin> Pici: At least it made sense where is what with first one
[18:36] <cwillu_at_work> theadmin, that's because old grub can't boot ext4
[18:36] <theadmin> cwillu_at_work: Don't lie to me. I used ext4 on jaunty, and that has GRUB 1
[18:37] <cwillu_at_work> theadmin, until you have a kernel update that uses extents
[18:37] <westinghouse> i use btrfs, because i'm mad
[18:37] <cwillu_at_work> <3
[18:37] <Pici> Right, grub1 doesn't support booting off of a ext4 drive that has extents enabled?
[18:38] <EdgEy> noone else having problems with fglrx?
[18:38] <westinghouse> the gorgs doesnt support the fraggles yes
[18:38] <cwillu_at_work> theadmin, grub 1 can't boot every ext4 filesystem, which means it can't boot ext4.  It can only boot ext4 if that ext4 fs could be mounted as ext3
[18:38] <EdgEy> i have no hardware accel at all now
[18:38] <Pici> EdgEy: What video chipset are you using?
[18:38] <westinghouse> tseng et4000
[18:39] <EdgEy> Pici, HD4950
[18:39] <lucitu> what is the insmod ext2 for in GRUB2?
[18:40] <cwillu_at_work> lucitu, grub2 is module based, so that it can be extended with new filesystems and features
[18:40]  * cwillu_at_work pokes at theadmin with a pointy stick :p
[18:41] <Pici> EdgEy: Did this ever work for you in Lucid, or is this your first install?
[18:41] <EdgEy> Pici, i have been using the default driver until now
[18:42] <EdgEy> no problems but someone recommended I use fglrx for hardware accel on h.264
[18:42] <owner> What time does the Lucid coming ?
[18:42] <EdgEy> since I can't watch some high bitrate videos
[18:42] <theadmin> ...GRAH WHY DOES NO ONE EVER READ THE TOPIC. owner: April 29th, exact time unknown
[18:43] <ubu_user> owner, the time of release varies and isn't know before hand
[18:43] <owner> thank you
[18:43] <James_> Evening all
[18:44] <bmunger> my kubuntu plymouth theme looks terrible, when will that be fixed?
[18:45] <James_> Has anyone noticed these bugs, one being when first connecting to a wireless ap the mouse freezes? I had this in beta and rc. another one when a screensaver is enabled and you then activate the computer again it doesnt focus on the password box but if you type your password in anyway and hit return it lets you back to the desktop.
[18:45] <Pici> EdgEy: I'm looking, but at first glance it appears that fglrx doesn't support the HD49xx chipset
[18:45] <ubu_user> bmunger, are you using Nvidia Proprietary driver?  it defaults to 640x480
[18:45] <bmunger> ubu_user: yes
[18:45] <ubu_user> bmunger, it's possible to increase the resolution using framebuffer but probably isn't worth the effort
[18:46] <bmunger> ubu_user: thats terrible that something so obviously wrong is going to be in a lts release
[18:46] <ubu_user> bmunger, blame Nvidia for that one
[18:46] <bmunger> ubu_user: im sure canonical could have worked around it
[18:47] <ubu_user> bmunger, for most of Lucid's development nvidia-proprietary driver users only had text-plymouth, the fact we have GUI at all is wonderful
[18:47] <jbwiv> guys, I'm trying to add a new gnome panel to one of my desktops (I use twinview). I can create it, but it's locked...can't be dragged. This is in Lucid Beta. Is there a setting in gconf I should be looking for?
[18:48] <bmunger> ubu_user: but nvidia is the most popular gpu manufacturer, a lot of people are going to notice this
[18:49] <ubu_user> bmunger, then complain to Nvidia to get KMS (< or similar) into their binary drivers
[18:49] <ubu_user> bmunger, if you use Nouveau Plymouth looks great!
[18:49] <Pici> EdgEy: Accoring to both this link: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Hardware#RADEON_HD and the PDF release notes that ATI releases with the fglrx driver, the 49xx chipset is not support :(
[18:49] <EdgEy> Pici, gah it's actually the 4870 anyway
[18:49] <bmunger> hmm
[18:49] <EdgEy> thinking of another build I did
[18:50] <EdgEy> the 4870 uses r700 chipset from what I can find and should be supported
[18:50] <bmunger> ubu_user: well ok thanks for at least confirming the issue
[18:52] <Pici> EdgEy: Oh. Then it should be supported...
[18:53] <jbwiv> can anyone recommend a good lm-sensors output display UI for Lucid?
[18:57] <jbwiv> guys, I'm trying to add a new gnome panel to one of my desktops (I use twinview). I can create it, but it's locked...can't be dragged. This is in Lucid Beta. Is there a setting in gconf I should be looking for?
[18:57] <EdgEy> Pici, i mean, i think it's more than it just not being supported, I shouldn't get a segfault :/
[18:58] <Vigo> jbwiv: I thought this was RC1 or better now.
[18:59] <jbwiv> Vigo, yes, you're right
[18:59] <jbwiv> I'm on the latest though
[18:59] <jbwiv> apt-get upgrade shows no new packages
[18:59] <Daijoubu> is ffmpeg for Lucid build with VDPAU?
[18:59] <jbwiv> yet, I can't drag a panel
[18:59] <Vigo> jbwiv: I did see a Lubuntu Beta 3 , apt-get upgrade and apt-get update?
[18:59] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, alt-drag
[18:59] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, VDPAU is only a playback option, not an encoding option
[19:00] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, alt-drag does nothing for me
[19:00] <cwillu_at_work> on the panel?  weird
[19:00] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, VDPAU is also only for Nvidia cards
[19:00] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, well here it says that mlt requires ffmpeg built with vdpau so that it can use vdpau for x.264 decoding http://www.mltframework.org/twiki/bin/view/MLT/
[19:00] <amereservant> bug 571364
[19:00] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, yep, on the panel
[19:00] <jbwiv> does nothing
[19:00] <amereservant> cwillu_at_work: ^^
[19:01] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, i'm just trying to figure out if it's enabled in lucid o-o
[19:01] <cwillu_at_work> amereservant, \o/
[19:01] <amereservant> Got it filed.  ;)
[19:01] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, well, you can right-click and adjust it from properties, but you really should be able to alt-drag it around
[19:01] <amereservant> Now they can find someone to blame, probably me.
[19:02] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, ffmpeg in Lucid does NOT support the default audio (AAC) codec for MP4 files BTW - no idea what the ffmpeg+vdpau is talking about
[19:02] <ROBOd_> hello everyone
[19:02] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, changing the Orientation doesn't seem to work either
[19:02] <ROBOd_> where can i read documentation about the new init.d/skeleton?
[19:02] <jbwiv> it switches the orientation when the panel is (far left of screen), but doesn't move it properly
[19:02] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, true o_o that's why i'm using the medibuntu one so i can edit my h.264 with aac videos without any problems :p
[19:02] <ROBOd_> where can i see what i can put in the header of my scripts?
[19:02] <jbwiv> in other words, it changes it from vertical to horizontal when I select bottom, but it doesn't *move* it to the bottom
[19:03] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, hmm, something else is wrong then
[19:03] <cwillu_at_work> I don't have a lucid machine in front of me to test with though :(
[19:03] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, this was not a fresh install. I did upgrade, but I blew away the .gconf* directories before logging in so it should be clean
[19:03] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, ffmpeg is in medibuntu?  as that is where the problem/issue lies
[19:03] <jbwiv> can anyone else here running lucid see if you can create a new gnome panel and then drag it around?
[19:04] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, you hate nvidia card users and people who want to accelerate their decoding with vdpau or something ?!
[19:04] <ubu_user> jbwiv, can't confirm right now - but when i was running dual-monitors on Lucid I was certainly able to add panels and move them around
[19:04] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, try making a new user
[19:04] <jbwiv> cwillu_at_work, ok
[19:05] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, not at all - i'm one of those users!
[19:05] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, might be a permissions issue on one of the folders or some such
[19:05] <jbwiv> be back in a minute
[19:05] <cwillu_at_work> jbwiv, I gotta run, boss needs something :)
[19:05] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, i have my mplayer setup to use vdpau
[19:06] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, i'm trying to find out if it's possible to encode h.264 videos using vdpau as it will make my encoding not to lost 6h for a clip but 1h
[19:07] <ubu_user> Daijoubu, sorry man, i was totally unaware the VDPAU could be used for encoding as well as decoding.  I have no idea, best of luck man.
[19:08] <Daijoubu> ubu_user, i'm not use also o-o but under windows PowerDirector has an option to enable GPU acceleration exactly for x.264 encoding and i was wondering why this is not present in linux o-o
[19:08] <Daijoubu> *sure
[19:12] <C-S-B> has anyone got icedtea working in chromium? It worked in karmic
[19:14] <yofel> C-S-B: it doesn't show in about:plugins?
[19:14] <C-S-B> nope
[19:14] <C-S-B> ive copied and symlinked from firefox as well
[19:15] <C-S-B> no luck
[19:15] <C-S-B> just reinstalling ubuntu-restricted-extras
[19:15] <yofel> that won't help, the plugin is in icedtea6-plugin
[19:16] <C-S-B> I know, its part of ubuntu-restricted-extras as well isnt it?
[19:16] <mapu> Good afternoon- am trying to upgrade to 10.4 from 9.10 using 'do-release-upgrade -d' and keep getting WARNING: Failed to read mirror file and server overloaded
[19:16] <yofel> u-r-e just pulls in icedtea6-plugin
[19:16] <yofel> it doesn't provide any files by itself
[19:16] <C-S-B> i know its not a proper pack, but im desperate
[19:16] <yofel> mapu: tried a different mirror?
[19:16] <C-S-B> any other ideas?
[19:17] <yofel> C-S-B: let me first install icedtea here first, I'm using sun usually
[19:17] <mapu> I tried 2- perhaps I need to try another- same mirror worked on my laptop
[19:17] <C-S-B> ok
[19:17] <mapu> (looking)
[19:18] <jbuncher> Can anyone help me figure out how to change the keybindings in Okular?  I want to change the inverse search keybinding from "Shift + click" to "middle click"
[19:19] <switchgirl> dacebook mozzilla fail....
[19:19] <switchgirl> can't update status etc
[19:20] <topyli> switchgirl, you're on ubuntu, you never have to go to the website! :)
[19:20] <DShepherd> anyone know where the plymouth configuration files are kept?
[19:20] <bricas> I've just upgraded from 9.10 -- does anyone have a how-to for moving my postgres 8.3 data to 8.4?
[19:21] <switchgirl> gwibber doesnt work
[19:21] <bjsnider> Daijoubu, it is not possible to use vdpau to encode. only to decode
[19:21] <ubu_user> bjsnider, thanks :)
[19:21] <yofel> jbuncher: I'm not sure what you mean, what does inverse search do?
[19:22] <C-S-B> yofel, im just so confused, it worked before upgrade.
[19:22] <Daijoubu> bjsnider, thank you o-o so if i want x.264 gpu accelerated encoding where can i turn to?
[19:23] <bjsnider> Daijoubu, nowhere that i know of
[19:23] <agronholm_> bricas, there's a tool specifically for that
[19:23] <switchgirl> also the status update box isn't there
[19:23] <agronholm_> bricas, pg_upgradecluster
[19:23] <bjsnider> i only know that stephen warren answered this question in the nvforums awhile ago
[19:23] <jbuncher> yofel, sorry, I should have provided more info.  When writing a latex document, you can make the dvi file (the file you view in okular) indexed so that you can "inverse search" and okular will then open up the text editor to the line that you clicked on for editing.
[19:23] <mapu> yofel - I've tried 3 different mirrors now.
[19:23] <bricas> agronholm_: ah-ha. i'll check that out. thank you!
[19:23] <DShepherd> topic
[19:23] <DShepherd> opps
[19:24] <mapu> interestingly- I get: Unable to read mirror file
[19:24] <mapu> and I also get the server overloaded error
[19:24] <topyli> switchgirl, the service is probably crashing again, like it tends to. kill gwibber-service and start gwibber again :(
[19:24] <jbuncher> switchgirl, what trouble are you having with gwibber?  It works for me using a tiwtter account.
[19:24] <Antiga> I'm having an issue with my fan working properly. It seems like the kernal isn't recognizing my hardware for some reason. Running Sensors-detect/ gwncontrol doesn't fix the problem. Also /proc/acpi/fan has nothing in it. Asus W7Sg Laptop.
[19:24] <mapu> I am able to install and update pakcages however
[19:24] <yofel> C-S-B: ok, give me a few more minutes to investigate this, the sun plugin shows up, icedtea not
[19:25] <isolat3dsh33p> hey guys, there's no ati catalyst control center for radeon in ubuntu 10.04?
[19:25] <amereservant> Can a mini install be done from the full install disk?  It cannot detect my network hardware and I'm not sure how to solve that in the mini install.
[19:25] <switchgirl> Signal "gwibber-service" not known.
[19:25] <switchgirl> sara@sara-desktop:~$ sudo kill -l gwibber-service
[19:25] <C-S-B> yofel, the sun plugin shows up in chromium?
[19:25] <yofel> C-S-B: it does here
[19:26] <C-S-B> yofel, well id be happy with that, but I had no luck.
[19:26] <topyli> switchgirl, just 'killall gwibber-service' should do
[19:28] <mickep> My creative usb speakers (model N400) works only randomly, say about 1/10 of the times I connect them. Filing a bug, what package should I point this to?
[19:28] <EdgEy> Is there some sort of help channel for restricted drivers? I have been struggling with this fglrx problem for hours now
[19:28] <ubu_user> C-S-B, this is how I got Sun Java working on 64 bit Chromium http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java
[19:30] <bricas> agronholm_: hrmm, it says my 8.3 cluster isn't running -- and running /etc/init.d/postgresql-8.3 start does nothing (doesn't even print anything!)
[19:30] <agronholm_> strange...
[19:31] <yofel> I don't get how chromium looks for plugins... I removed the sun plugin from the alternatives selection but it still finds the plugin .so directly...
[19:31] <agronholm_> bricas, I've only used it once and I don't remember how it went back then
[19:31] <agronholm_> I upgraded from 8.2 to 8.3 then
[19:32] <BluesKaj> isolat3dsh33p, no there isn't afaik
[19:32] <isolat3dsh33p>  BluesKaj, so how to edit settings for radeon?
[19:33] <James_> BluesKaj, isolat3dsh33p - I have the catalyst control center?
[19:33] <BluesKaj> isolat3dsh33p, dunno yet , I'm still looking as well.
[19:33] <James_> Has anyone noticed these bugs, one being when first connecting to a wireless ap the mouse freezes? I had this in beta and rc. another one when a screensaver is enabled and you then activate the computer again it doesnt focus on the password box but if you type your password in anyway and hit return it lets you back to the desktop.
[19:34] <ratcheer> yofel: I don't exactly understand it, either. Last week, I installed a Java upgrade, removed the link to old plugin, added link to new one. It still used the old one until I deleted the old Java version. Then, it used the new one with no further changes. Weird.
[19:35] <bricas> agronholm_: dang. looks like 8.3 isn't even really installed...
[19:35] <yofel> heh
[19:35] <isolat3dsh33p> James_, I'm not sure what your hardware is, but radeon driver is installed with ubuntu 10.04. So you don't need to install propriety driver.
[19:35] <BluesKaj> James_, i haven't tried to install the center since there appear to be no options for my onboard x200m in the forums
[19:35] <James_> isolat3dsh33p, I used the proprietary driver
[19:35] <ratcheer> yofel: That was with Firefox, but I imagine it is a similar thing.
[19:36] <bricas> agronholm_: hrmm, maybe i can remove 8.4 and re-installed 8.3 somehow?
[19:36] <agronholm_> 8.4 and 8.3 can be installed concurrently
[19:36] <yofel> ratcheer: I know a bit about how firefox works, but now I'm confused as chromiums seems to work differently
[19:37] <chaoslynx> has anyone an idea how to resolve this bug: http://www.mail-archive.com/desktop-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg412495.html?
[19:37] <yofel> bug 562924
[19:37] <ratcheer> yofel: Ok, I just thought your problem seemed very similar.
[19:37] <isolat3dsh33p> James_, i'm using the built in driver for radeon. No ati catalyst :(
[19:37] <BluesKaj> I was running a nvidia pci card but installed it in our media pc as another source for the tv
[19:38] <bricas> agronholm_: "Package postgresql-8.3 has no available version, but exists in the database."
[19:38] <James_> isolat3dsh33p, ahh
[19:38] <chaoslynx> i am trying to create a package of vpnc with openssl enabled, for some reason fakeroot chokes (the bug report is not mine but I have the same problem)
[19:39] <yofel> chaoslynx: maybe ask in #ubuntu-packaging, you'll find more testers there
[19:39] <chaoslynx> yofel: k
[19:39] <agronholm_> bricas, sorry, can't really help you there...
[19:39] <agronholm_> I only have them concurrently installed on hardy
[19:40] <James_> isolat3dsh33p, If i dont install the non free driver then my fans stay on all the time and kill my battery
[19:41] <isolat3dsh33p> James_, wow, so far I haven't notice such behavior. O_O
[19:41] <gorgonzola> hello peoples. got two bugs, and i want to know how to proceed...
[19:41] <C-S-B> ubu_user, tried those instructions, no luck.
[19:41] <gorgonzola> the first one is this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/554948
[19:42] <BluesKaj> !bug | gorgonzola
[19:42] <gorgonzola> it says it was fixed, but i'm still seeing the incorrect behaviour. should i reopen that one, or open a new one?
[19:42] <gorgonzola> BluesKaj; thanks, but my question is more bureacratic then technical... :)
[19:43] <BluesKaj> gorgonzola, hehe gotcha :)
[19:44] <gorgonzola> so... do i reopen that one?
[19:44] <BluesKaj> bbl, late lunch
[19:44] <ubu_user> C-S-B, don't know then, good luck.  Did you adapt them if you're using 32bit?
[19:44] <C-S-B> ubu_user, Im 64bit
[19:44] <C-S-B> ;)
[19:45] <ubu_user> C-S-B, good luck then.
[19:46] <Matterco> 	
[19:46] <Matterco> I am installing 10.04 on an new Intel Mac Mini. The install has been taking over an hour. The last 45 minutes has been on the purple haze screen with the mouse cursor only. The cursor oscillates between a pointer and the spinning icon. Is this to be expected? Or is the installation hung?
[19:48] <C-S-B> yofel, I have sun java working in chromium
[19:48] <dunas> What's the best way to go about fixing the click-not-registering problem in Flash?
[19:49] <amereservant> Anyone else having any issues with the full 64-bit install iso image?
[19:49] <jrib> amereservant: rc worked for me
[19:49] <amereservant> I get "Invalid or corrupt kernel image"
[19:49] <jrib> amereservant: did you check the md5sum?
[19:49] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, the LiveCD image?
[19:49] <amereservant> hmmm.  nope.
[19:49] <CT1> Hi. I have an nvidia card with 2 monitors connected as separate x displays.  nvidia say "hardware accelerated OpenGL cannot span the two X screens".  How does this work? 1st come 1st served? or disabled completely?
[19:49] <amereservant> Yeah.
[19:49] <amereservant> isolat3dsh33p, ^^
[19:50] <amereservant> I was going to use the mini.iso, but it's missing my ethernet drivers.
[19:50] <bricas> agronholm_: just d/l'ed debs from launchpad. worked okay. phew. :)
[19:50] <amereservant> And I'm not finding anything on how to find them.
[19:50] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, I have problem creating bootable USB flash for ubuntu 10.04 rc :(
[19:50] <isolat3dsh33p> so i used alpha installer and do all the upgrades from there
[19:51] <amereservant> isolat3dsh33p, I didn't have any trouble with that.... the CD is my issue.
[19:51] <amereservant> I'll try again.
[19:51] <CT1> or is there a way to see which screen is using hardware accelerated opengl?
[19:51] <Dr-Ubuntu> want me to burn a cd for you?
[19:51] <Dr-Ubuntu> you can come to holland to collect it
[19:51] <amereservant> Hehe, sure thing.  Be right there.
[19:51] <Dr-Ubuntu> :P
[19:52] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, I was running out of CD, so I never really tried installing it in CD :D
[19:52] <amereservant> Let me poop a few grand to travel there, find a baby-sitter, and I'll be right over.
[19:52] <Matterco> How do you know if the installation is hung?
[19:52] <Matterco> I have been on the purple haze screen for an hour.
[19:52] <amereservant> isolat3dsh33p, Well it won't run from CD either.
[19:53] <jrib> Matterco: it's hung...
[19:53] <isolat3dsh33p> amereservant, but you manage to burn it?
[19:53] <Dr-Ubuntu> when i tried upgrading ubuntu the first time to 10.4 my keyboard and mouse crashed during the install but it kept running but i couldnt answer the last question for grub and finish the upgrade and had to reinstall QQ
[19:53] <amereservant> Yeah, I'll try dling another image and this time check the md5checksum
[19:53] <amereservant> It could be bad.
[19:54] <switchgirl> !dns
[19:54] <switchgirl> !google-dns
[19:54] <CT1> How can I see if hardware accelerated opengl is being used, and on which screen?
[19:54] <switchgirl> !google-public-dns
[19:54] <Dr-Ubuntu> i can see it in system - nvidia settings
[19:54] <apparle> when is lucid coming out?
[19:55] <gorgonzola> tomorrow?
[19:57] <CT1> Dr-Ubuntu: Which part of nvidia settings? That frame buffer business?
[19:59] <Dr-Ubuntu> yea seems to me its working then if you get that
[20:01] <muzy> Is there a Release Time?
[20:01] <muzy> like 12:00 GMT?
[20:01] <muzy> or so
[20:01] <tsimpson> no
[20:01] <muzy> ?
[20:01] <muzy> ohh no party :(
[20:01] <yofel> !outyet
[20:01] <CT1> Dr-Ubuntu: I have X Screen 0 and X Screen 1 sections.  How can I see which one is using hardware acceleration (unless I've misunderstood "hardware accelerated OpenGL cannot span the two X screens" from nvidia site.
[20:02] <jmworx> Anyone knows whether Lucid properly supports the Arrandale integrated GPU?
[20:04] <vamadir> where ubunut lucid?\
[20:04] <Fishscene> Just around the corner. But you might scare it away by asking =(
[20:04] <tsimpson> it's not a place, it's a state of being
[20:05] <frankie_> hello
[20:06] <vamadir> what clock in ubuntu web page? grinvich?
[20:06] <UTF> any of u guys experienced your laptop getting really hot when running lucid? Docky tends to disappear too without any errors - i have to run it once in a while for it to appear. Sometimes alt+tab doesn't work either...
[20:08] <UTF> i still love lucid tho... lol
[20:08] <UTF> amazing how far they come each time they launch a new release
[20:08] <frankie_> why am i being told not to use ubuntu 10.04
[20:08] <muzy> I use xubuntu :)
[20:08] <helo> this is a LTS release, so they'll have plenty of time to fix all of the problems ;)
[20:08] <Artemis3> Does anyone has gallery2 installed?
[20:09] <vamadir> aAAAAAAAAAAAAA now i using lucid beta 2
[20:09] <yofel> !final
[20:10] <UTF> frankie_, no idea bro... but if you are about to install i would recommend u to wait untill tomorrow where the final release is ready :)
[20:10] <melvin> Hello. i have a little weird problem after upgrading to 10.04. nm-applet doesn't communicate with gnome-keyring-daemon anymore. it works by creating a new profile. but i don't want to do this. what change on the profile is needed? ssh-add works
[20:10] <frankie_> UTF like final final release? relatively safe to use?
[20:10] <Pres-Gas> I have an nvidia quadro nvs 295 card that is not supported in nouveau at the moment, is there a way to have the 10.04 installer force the nv drivers or do I need to blacklist nouveau?
[20:11] <UTF> frankie_, the stable release yes
[20:11] <UTF> frankie_, the current release still has a few bugs left
[20:11] <frankie_> UTF thank you, i will wait until tommrorow :o)
[20:11] <DeadmanIncJS> hi
[20:11] <frankie_> i played with it on live cd and loved most of it :)
[20:11] <UTF> frankie_, no problem bro :)
[20:11] <DeadmanIncJS> im very much looking forward to 10.04
[20:12] <UTF> frankie_, yah i lub it too... felt the exact same way with the last release lol
[20:12] <intangir> when lucid releases will we be able to upgrade to it from rc1 like normal?
[20:12] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, the nv driver won't support it either
[20:12] <charlie-tca> !final | intangir
[20:13] <Pres-Gas> bjsnider, I just installed 9.10 to test and it works
[20:14] <UTF> any knows if they fixed the memory leak issue yet? i wonder if thats why my puter acts up at times
[20:15] <DeadmanIncJS> i never have a problem w/my laptop
[20:15] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, are you sure it didn't pick vesa? i assume you want to use the blob, right?
[20:15] <Fishscene> UTF: Up until a couple of days ago, my computer would lag a lot and access the HD a lot. But now it seems fine.
[20:15] <UTF> Fishscene, cool thanks for the heads up bro :)
[20:16] <melvin> Fishscene, my lap works this way  too
[20:18] <Pres-Gas> bjsnider, The live cd of 10.04 works, but then the video dies after reboot to the fresh OS.  Display goes to low power mode after grub.
[20:18] <Fishscene> Yea, that was the same with my 4-year-old laptop with 512MB of RAM. But the performance is now on-par with XP or better. :) I like showing off this laptop to coworkers and stuff.
[20:18] <Pres-Gas> Very strange
[20:18] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, you don't have dual graphics chips do you?
[20:19] <Pres-Gas> I did, bjsnider but then removed one of the cards...still the same.
[20:19] <bjsnider> what was the other card?
[20:20] <Pres-Gas> They both were the same
[20:20] <bjsnider> you had two...
[20:20] <bjsnider> that's pretty ridiculous
[20:20] <bjsnider> i mean come on
[20:20] <Pres-Gas> bjsnider, that is not helpful, is it?
[20:22] <bjsnider> Pres-Gas, if you can get to a text prompt you can install the blob using jockey-text. try the kernel safe mode option in grub. you can see it if you press and hold shift right after the bios screen
[20:23] <helo> ahhh... we are supposed to type apt-get update in a _console_... why did i never know this?
[20:23] <coz_> helo,  not sure :)   yep  sudo apt-ge
[20:24] <coz_> helo,   sudo apt-get update
[20:24] <helo> i just kept typing it at the "host login: " and it would ask for a password?!
[20:24] <shodan45> what time will 10.04 be released?
[20:25] <shodan45> ubuntu.com just says 1 day
[20:25] <yofel> undefined
[20:25] <UTF> lol
[20:25] <helo> shodan45: they just announced they would not release it for another week if another person in here asked that question :(
[20:25] <shodan45> hah
[20:25] <yofel> helo: wrong channel
[20:25] <yofel> !outyet
[20:25] <helo> yofel: nothing on-topic to really discuss in here anyways :)
[20:26] <helo> shoudln't it be +s? the topic really says it all
[20:26] <kamara_36> Hi ! I can not copy the adress from nautilus  (like on previous versions). can someone helps me ?
[20:26] <switchgirl> umm lil help?
[20:26] <helo> not much of a party then i suppose heh
[20:26] <switchgirl> what does "# Add domains which you want to force to an IP address here. # The example below send any host in doubleclick.net to a local # webserver. #address=/doubleclick.net/127.0.0.1" mean?
[20:26] <yofel> helo: this channel exists until lucid is out, which isn't the case yet, after that the channel will be invide only until ~ uds-m
[20:27] <yofel> switchgirl: related to what?
[20:27] <switchgirl> yofel, $ sudo gedit /etc/dnsmasq.conf
[20:27] <yofel> ah
[20:27] <shodan45> and I assume when it's out, that includes the server version?
[20:28] <yofel> shodan45: out means out for all versions
[20:28] <shodan45> yofel: thanks
[20:28] <bjsnider> switchgirl, it means you don't want to look for that domain on the web, but on your own network instead
[20:29] <kamara_36> Ubuntu also use swap (1 gb ) . but i don't create a swap space on installation. conky and system monitors show that there is a swap space . (this problem was also on 9.1 on my computer)
[20:29] <switchgirl> i want to block it / ban it entirly
[20:29] <frankie_> why does ubuntu come with empathy instead of pidgin?
[20:29] <bjsnider> switchgirl, you should use your router or opendns settings for that
[20:30] <switchgirl> bjsnider, * DanaG (~DanaG@pcp057520pcs.wireless.calpoly.edu) has joined #ubuntu+1
[20:30] <rizzuh> When's Lynx coming exactly?
[20:30] <switchgirl> oops
[20:30] <switchgirl> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/local-dns-cache-for-faster-browsing-on-ubuntu-machine.html
[20:30] <charlie-tca> switchgirl: it means you will blanks or missing site instead of advertising or anything else from doubleclick.com
[20:30] <switchgirl> THAT'S what i meant to post
[20:31] <helo> doesn't local dns caching occur automatically?
[20:31] <DanaG> dnsmasq... also good for blocking stupidity like this:
[20:31] <bjsnider> switchgirl, if you uncomment that line, that domain will result in a blank page, since it's your localhost address
[20:31] <DanaG> www11.charter.net/not_found
[20:31] <invernizzi>  question: is the plymouth problem with nvidia proprietary drivers solved? Is there a clear set of steps to follow? Thanks
[20:31] <DanaG> http://www11.charter.net/not_found
[20:32] <bjsnider> invernizzi, what plymouth problem?
[20:32] <DanaG> er, wait, that's not there anymore.
[20:32] <yofel> DanaG: this looks so odd in chromium :D
[20:32] <switchgirl> invernizzi, that where it wont work 100 miles around the area of Plymouth UK?
[20:32] <Italian_Plumber1> ./topic
[20:32] <invernizzi> bjsnider,  i can't get to the graphical plymouth, just the textual one
[20:32] <DanaG> oh, they fixed it to spoof firefox.
[20:32] <Wicked> if i install the rc tonight...when its officially released tomorrow i can just aptitude update and be on release?
[20:33] <invernizzi> switchgirl: no, text only plymouth with nvidia drivers: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/03/how-to-get-plymouth-working-with-nvidia.html
[20:33] <guntbert> Wicked: yes, but you probably won't notice any difference :)
[20:33] <Wicked> right on
[20:34] <Wicked> thanks :)
[20:34] <frankie_> will it be possible to upgrade from lts to whatever comes afterwards?
[20:34] <DanaG> bogus-nxdomain for-the-win.
[20:34] <switchgirl> invernizzi, i was trying irony
[20:34] <invernizzi> frankie_, yes, no problem
[20:34] <arand> frankie_: of course
[20:34] <yofel> DanaG: oh, yeah, in firefox I get the IE error, in chromium I get a safari error
[20:34] <charlie-tca> frankie_: yes, you could upgrade to maverick in 6 months
[20:34] <DanaG> I have text-only boot even with ati open-source drivers.
[20:34] <frankie_> ok just making sure :)
[20:35] <invernizzi> switchgirl, my irony sensor is off for the night :-)
[20:35] <DanaG> I have a serial console, and thus plymouth thinks I couldn't POSSIBLY want a splash screen on the local graphical console.
[20:35] <frankie_> who chooses the names for ubuntu
[20:36] <coz_> frankie_,   mark shuttleworth
[20:36] <switchgirl> if i change listen-address=127.0.0.1 to listen-address=8.8.8.8 would it cache google public dns ?
[20:36] <|Quartz|> Hello. Is it possible to use virtualbox-ose on 10.04, because I can't get/make module vboxdrv ?
[20:37] <guntbert> |Quartz|: did you install dkms?
[20:37] <yofel> |Quartz|: do you have the kernel headers installed? the modules build fine here
[20:37] <|Quartz|> yes and yes
[20:38] <charlie-tca> |Quartz|: you can add it using Synaptic Package Manager, even.
[20:38] <|Quartz|> Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908)
[20:38] <ckw> About what time might Lucid be released via Bittorrent?  I have a server available I would like to donate to the swarm
[20:38] <|Quartz|> Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
[20:38] <yofel> |Quartz|: installed virtualbox-ose-dkms?
[20:38] <charlie-tca> ckw: there is no time set
[20:38] <ckw> Ah, thanks
[20:38] <|Quartz|> yes, installed
[20:39] <Azoff> I have noticed that the 3d party driver for Nuvoton 677x (released by ASRock in my case) breaks due to the lirc_dev-2.6.33.patch as reported here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/570700
[20:39] <Azoff> any ideas?
[20:40] <psyk3d> how many minutes for the release???
[20:40] <Tekno> 9000
[20:41] <psyk3d> oh man
[20:41] <psyk3d> damnit
[20:41] <coz_> :)
[20:41] <coz_> psyk3d,   I was going to say 1440  but hey
[20:42] <psyk3d> i broke my karmic a few days back
[20:42] <psyk3d> working on win7
[20:42] <psyk3d> eagerly wain to shift back
[20:42] <gellmar> hi to everybody! If I update all packages every day, should it be necessary for me to perform a clean install?
[20:42] <gellmar> in a release day
[20:42] <kamara_36> can someone see as text the adress (i mean can you copy the adress of directory from nautilus ? ) ?
[20:42] <|Quartz|> found "insmod /lib/modules/2.6.32-21-generic/updates/dkms/vboxdrv.ko"
[20:42] <psyk3d> sudo update-manager -d should do the trick
[20:43] <charlie-tca> !final > gellmar
[20:43] <psyk3d> @ gellmar :sudo update-manager -d should do the trick
[20:43] <charlie-tca> psyk3d: no, it won't. If you are already on lucid, that will result in nothing happening
[20:44] <bjsnider> |Quartz|, did the rubyripper issue get fixed or what?
[20:44] <psyk3d> i meant if upgrading from 9.10
[20:44] <|Quartz|> no
[20:44] <gellmar> psyk3d: I do apt-get upgrade :)
[20:44] <|Quartz|> yesterday I give you a method, but it doesn't work with some disk
[20:45] <gellmar> but dunno if dist-upgrade will be smth different if I use 10.04 from alpha2
[20:45] <|Quartz|> gave*
[20:46] <|Quartz|> concerning the naming of the tracks. For the rest, the method is fine: the velocity of the whole processing is as fast as on 9.10
[20:46] <gellmar> hmmm... tried dist-upgrade and it downloads 211mb while upgrade loads only 30mb
[20:46] <gellmar> it really makes a difference
[20:46] <charlie-tca> yup
[20:48] <gellmar> BTW, does anybody know a way to get rid of debs installed in apt cache?
[20:48] <coz_> gellmar,  try sudo apt-g
[20:48] <null> is it in yet?
[20:48] <gellmar> apt-get autoclean removes not many of them
[20:48] <coz_> gellmar,  try sudo apt-get autoremove  or sudo apt-get autoclean
[20:49] <maxb> autoclean is the one which deals with the cache, autoremove is something entirely different
[20:49] <gellmar> coz_: I do sudo apt-get --purge autoremove && sudo apt-get --purge clean && sudo apt-get --purge autoclean
[20:49] <maxb> Although, gellmar, your question is a bit confused, debs are not 'installed' in the cache
[20:50] <gellmar> maxb: they are actually lying there
[20:50] <gellmar> eating my hdd space
[20:50] <Jake2|cfl> if already on lucid RC, I've seen so many recommendation of how-to-get-the-final, I don't know what's right
[20:50] <gellmar> while I have inet connection
[20:50] <maxb> gellmar: --purge is quite thoroughly irrelevant for clean and autoclean
[20:50] <coz_> gellmar,  oh   well manually go in and delete them if you like
[20:50] <charlie-tca> !final | Jake2|cfl
[20:50] <maxb> gellmar: and running autoclean after clean is pointless too
[20:51] <gellmar> coz_: when I delete them I start having issues with dpkg
[20:51] <Jake2|cfl> about that--and again after release??
[20:51] <charlie-tca> Jake2|cfl: you do not need to reinstall if you have been using lucid. It updates to final
[20:51] <gellmar> that's why I am asking about the SAFER way
[20:51] <coz_> gellmar,  ok  ...let me ask...why do you want to remove them?
[20:51] <maxb> gellmar: What are you actually deleting? 'apt-get clean' will delete all the the cached debs
[20:51] <gellmar> coz_: I have a 6.3Gb partition
[20:51] <gellmar> and 3.3Gb is used by that debs
[20:52] <coz_> gellmar,  oh  understood
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Jake2|cfl: after release, use update-manager, or any other method of choice to stay up to date
[20:52] <Jake2|cfl> charlie-tca: it updates to final using WHAT techniques--I have been told many approaches. will follow ubutu above.
[20:52] <apparle> Guys suggest me group where i can get good help regarding programming... accessing various port of computer
[20:52] <charlie-tca> Jake2|cfl:  If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Lucid. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.
 gellmar: and running autoclean after clean is pointless too
[20:53] <gellmar> coz_: or I even thought of moving /var/apt to other partition making a symbolic link
[20:53] <Jake2|cfl> charlie-tca: yeah, that's what ubotu just said too.
[20:53] <coz_> gellmar,  I have not tried that but it soulds  plausible :)
[20:53] <coz_> sounds
[20:53] <gellmar> coz_: some users have their /var mounted on separate partiton
[20:53] <markit> hi, I've a 1900x1080 monitor I tested and worked fine. Recently I plugged it again but kubuntu seems not to recognize it at full resolution anymore :( any tip? Is it possible to specify resolution without having to set the entire xorg.conf? what can have been broken?
[20:54] <Gerrit> Is there a lucid-backports? I want to install kworldclock, found it in http://packages.ubuntu.com/hardy-backports/amd64/kworldclock but its not available at http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic-backports/amd64/kworldclock and I don't see any lucid-backports. How do I install this package?
[20:54] <gellmar> Gerrit: download it manually and dpkg it :)
[20:54] <maxb> Gerrit: There is no distribution newer than lucid yet, so by definition there can not be any backports to it yet
[20:55] <Gerrit> markit: I had the exact same problem. I followed instructions at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution
[20:55] <Gerrit> markit: oh, I misunderstand what 'backports' means then
[20:55] <Gerrit> gellmar: will try
[20:56] <gellmar> Gerrit: as far I use LXDE not gnome I am quite far from that python installers so bash one-liner is best for me now
[20:57] <gellmar> so I can give u a cmd:
[20:57] <gellmar> sudo dpkg -i /tmp/deb/deb
[20:57] <markit> Gerrit: I mean, worked "out of the box", I returned the monitor, in those days I've updated kubuntu 10.04, now I've decided to acquire it (same model, even if not exact the same monitor I returned), and it does not get the full res
[20:57] <gellmar> *deb.deb
[20:57] <gellmar> not deb/deb :)
[20:57] <Gerrit> gellmar: I'm actually on KDE but that's okay.
[20:57] <Gerrit> markit: I had the same surprise yesterday. I didn't get my 1900x1080 to work out of the box, unfortunately.
[20:58] <maxb> Gerrit: The reason you cannot find a newer kworldclock package is because it seems to have been dropped in the KDE 3 to 4 transition
[20:58] <markit> Gerrit: so you also had this working, and was broken by an update? ati board?
[20:58] <root> help me !
[20:59] <Guest41052> nit: ureadahead-other main process (710) terminated with status 4
[20:59] <maxb> That error is harmless. Ignore it.
[20:59] <Guest41052> init: ureadahead-other main process (705) terminated with status 4
[20:59] <Guest41052> init: ureadahead-other main process (710) terminated with status 4
[20:59] <Guest41052> now fixed ?
[20:59] <patdk-wk> no
[20:59] <patdk-wk> but status 4 isn't an error
[20:59] <Guest41052> ?
[20:59] <patdk-wk> it's a notification
[20:59] <patdk-wk> and the program that reports that to you shouldn't be
[21:00] <Guest41052> patdk-wk,  ????
[21:00] <myk_robinson> hey, for some reason Brasero wont burn anything. Any ideas of what to check? Worked fine in Karmic
[21:01] <Guest41052> /dev/sdb1: Superblock last mount time is in the future.
[21:01] <Guest41052>         (by less than a day, probably due to the hardware clock being incorrectly set)  FIXED.
[21:01] <Guest41052> /dev/sdb1: clean, 322856/655776 files, 2565379/2622603 blocks
[21:01] <Guest41052> ?
[21:02] <Gerrit> markit: No. I bought a new computer and a new monitor at the same time.
[21:04] <markit> Gerrit: I'm not able to make work that tips in that link, do you have some time to help me? i.e. S-video is "cannot find output S-video" and things like that
[21:04] <Viliny> hello guys
[21:04] <Viliny> im having some hardcore problems here
[21:05] <Viliny> i installed the rc on my laptop and chose it to use the whole of my second HD (of 2 total in the asus g50vt laptop)
[21:05] <Viliny> next boot it went straight to lucid lynx
[21:05] <Viliny> no grub to choose with so i did a grub-install /dev/sda1
[21:05] <Viliny> now my laptop won't get past bios last stage or something
[21:06] <Gerrit> markit: It depends on your physical output
[21:06] <Viliny> im baffled how this could have destroyed my laptop on this level
[21:06] <Viliny> i managed to flash to same bios and then older bios version but the exact problem remains
[21:06] <charlie-tca> Viliny: grub just did not update correctly, originally. The old OS is still there
[21:06] <Viliny> anyone have the faintest clue what happened here?
[21:06] <Gerrit> markit: for me, 'xrandr' showed one line DVI-0 connected 1920x1080+0+0 (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) 0mm x 0mm
[21:06] <Viliny> charlie-tca: my laptop won't boot anthing now
[21:07] <markit> ok, I tried with VGA-0 but I got
[21:07] <markit> "X error of failed request: badmatch (invalid parameter attribute)"
[21:07] <charlie-tca> Viliny: That is something wrong when you installed grub on top of grub. I don't know how to fix that. what was on the other drive is still there, though.
[21:07] <Gerrit> markit: I did not get that error, I don't know
[21:08] <Viliny> yes i know the hard drives are okay but my computer is effed up charlie-tca - it won't boot a usb-stick, it won't boot a cdrom or anything... wether my files are intact is trivial at this point
[21:09] <charlie-tca> Viliny: tried power off completely and restarting?
[21:09] <Viliny> charlie-tca: really?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:09] <Viliny> no i managed to flash my bios 2 times without powering off the computer
[21:09] <doktoreas> hello everybody
[21:10] <||arifaX> charlie-tca: also pull out the battery once
[21:10] <doktoreas> does Ubuntu Lucid support GMA 500 video card?
[21:10] <charlie-tca> Viliny: good luck then
[21:10] <Viliny> battery was pulled out and everything is tried and tested - im just wondering if grub can really mess with the bios
[21:11] <jbuncher> Can anyone help me figure out how to change the keybindings in Okular?  I want to change the inverse search keybinding from "Shift + click" to "middle click"
[21:13] <coz_> jbuncher,  I am not too familair with kde and the locations of the keybinding however I know it is under system settings
[21:19] <Paddy_NI> Hey where would I get the new ubuntu font?
[21:21] <vish> why does is there no *all.deb for this kernel?  http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.32.11-lucid/
[21:21] <vish> s/does//
[21:21] <jbuncher> coz_ I can't seem to find this particular keybinding.
[21:22] <demism> how can I regenerate my kde-menu? and how can I add applications to the daisy widget?
[21:23] <dagny_ta1gart> hello folks, how is flash working for you in Lucid?
[21:23] <Paddy_NI> dagny_ta1gart: mines makes sandwiches
[21:24] <Paddy_NI> I am yet to get it to do the garden
[21:24] <dagny_ta1gart> Paddy_NI: then it seems installing is a good idea!
[21:24] <Paddy_NI> dagny_ta1gart: yes.. although it aint toilet trained yet :(
[21:25] <melvin> Hello. i have a little weird problem after upgrading to 10.04. nm-applet doesn't communicate with gnome-keyring-daemon anymore. it works by creating a new profile. but i don't want to do this. what change on the profile is needed? ssh-add works
[21:26] <Jake2|cfl> I did sudo apt-get update and dist-upgrade...scroll by said get openoffice.org-java-common (did) and a JVM.  What pkg for JVM?
[21:26] <usman> how many hours left for the release of lucid lynx stable version
[21:27] <jpds> usman: Who knows.
[21:27] <patdk-wk> usman, 36+
[21:28] <usman> patdk-wk, wow but the date is april 29 ain't it?
[21:28] <patdk-wk> yes, but everytime someone asks, cause they well know it's the 29th
[21:28] <patdk-wk> the devs have to stop working on it and answer the question of when
[21:29] <patdk-wk> so it gets pushed back alittle more :)
[21:29] <gsp2009> hello folks.. anyone know how to set up separate wallpapers on dual monitors (nvidia)
[21:30] <usman> patdk-wk, sorry if the devs are disturben :)
[21:31] <TecnoBrat> I seem to remember this exact same thing happen with karmic ....
[21:31] <usman> *disturbed
[21:33] <usman> Does lucid lynx officially support drivers for broadcom wlan mini card (in dell laptop), coz i have been using proprietory drivers up until now
[21:33] <crdlb> gsp2009: afaik, you need to make one large wallpaper
[21:34] <gsp2009> crdlb: so if I want both the be different, just GIMP together with the seam in the middle?
[21:36] <amereservant> Can anyone help with Nvidia X server settings > Enable Xinerama?  I have dual-monitors with my primary on the right and the secondary on the left, which is configured as a Separate X screen and using Xinerama.  The problem is I cannot move my mouse pointer to the screen on the left.  Just downloaded and installed 10.04.
[21:37] <gsp2009> amereservant: you enable TwinView?
[21:38] <amereservant> gsp2009, No, I'm using Seperate X screen since I want it to extend the primary screen.
[21:38] <amereservant> TwinView would defeat the purpose of dual monitors.
[21:38] <amereservant> I don't need one for each eye.
[21:38] <amereservant> Now I will state this....
[21:39] <||arifaX> amereservant: a tipp. try to get your screen set on the command line with xrandr before trying the gui-tools. they mess up everything
[21:39] <gsp2009> amereservant: ok then. Have fun with that.
[21:40] <amereservant> It DID work fine before I re-located the second screen from "right-of-main" to "left-of-main".
[21:40] <uspenok> lucid rc, last update, monitor offs on sturt up. Any tips ? (nomodest doesn't work)
[21:41] <Jake2|cfl> what JVM pkg name should I get for lucid?
[21:42] <coz_> gsp2009,  is this gnome or kde?
[21:42] <amereservant> ||arifaX, I get the error RandR extension missing.
[21:42] <gsp2009> coz_: gnome
[21:43] <amereservant> I'll try the other driver since there's two for my Nvidia 8800GT
[21:43] <coz_> gsp2009,  mm  unless you use separate xscreens and not twinview   then you will have to created a wallpaper in gimp by stitching two papers together
[21:43] <gsp2009> coz_: ok thanks... my second monitor is extended with twinview.
[21:43] <_Quartz_> Is there an implementation of RSA SecurID Token on Linux?
[21:44] <coz_> gsp2009,  same here   and I generally just get widescreen papers so it stretches  but  hold I have a site for wallpapers that are already separated hold on
[21:44] <amereservant> I've got both (version 173) and (version current)[Recommended], which the second one is what I'm currently using.
[21:44] <gsp2009> coz_: I will just see if I can create an image. Ok cool. thanks.
[21:44] <myk_robinson> I installed the RC a few days ago, and since then have been unable to burn audio cds. Any ideas?
[21:45] <coz_> gsp2009,  you will find many here   http://www.mandolux.com/  just keep  hitting the "previous"  button above to see them
[21:45] <||arifaX> how can I reload KDE menu without logging off?
[21:45] <amereservant> I've battled with this issue for three versions now and hoped it'd finally be resolved in 10.04.....
[21:45] <gsp2009> coz_: perfect.. thanks!
[21:47] <apparle> !final
[21:47] <apparle> !lucid
[21:48] <gsp2009> coz_: so you just gimp a right and left together then span?
[21:49] <coz_> gsp2009,  ah well I was thinking you take the left secitoin of one wallpper and the right seciton of another  and stitch them together   ...to do that you would have to create an empty  image i
[21:49] <coz_> gsp2009,  in gimp  then copy and paste each side into that new image  and move them to touch in center
[21:50] <gsp2009> coz_: :) nice
[21:50] <coz_> gsp2009,  I have dont this in the past...its not difficult...just painstaking sometimes to get the images cemtered and aligned properly
[21:51] <gsp2009> coz_: working on one now... 3840x1200
[21:51] <coz_> gsp2009,  what I would is create on and save it but dont close out of gimp until you test it to see if in fact it is aligned properly
[21:51] <amereservant> Here's my /etc/X11/xorg.conf file if someone is willing to take a look: http://pastebin.com/uytqwSX9
[21:52] <M0DCM-Dave> Any news about the Poulsbo problem?
[21:55] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, what problem would that be?
[21:55] <Gerrit> Hi. On a nearly fresh Ubuntu 10.04 I get a dependency error when trying to install vim-latexsuite: 'texlive-binaries depends on tex-common (>= 2.00); however: Package tex-common is not configured yet.'. Is this a bug or not?
[21:56] <Spreadsheet_> You need to configure latex-common
[21:56] <M0DCM-Dave> When will Canonical fix the Poulsbo/GMA500 for us Netbook users
[21:56] <bjsnider> canonical doesn't write graphics drivers
[21:57] <gsp2009> coz_: worked like a charm. I love having dual monitors. I have spanned the wallpaper across. Thanks for your help.
[21:57] <M0DCM-Dave> But they implemented Xorg 1.7 that doesn't support the GMA500
[21:58] <bp0> canonical doesnt write ...
[21:58] <bp0> anything
[21:58] <jpds> bp0: There's this thing called Launchpad.
[21:58] <M0DCM-Dave> I understand that, but before they implemented Xorg 1.7 Poulsbo worked
[21:59] <haytjes> hi
[21:59] <perscitus> Does ggrub support 1440x900?
[21:59] <Gerrit> Spreadsheet_: How?
[21:59] <Spreadsheet_> dunno
[21:59] <M0DCM-Dave> 10.04 runs as slow as a dog on the GM500 out of the box
[22:00] <perscitus> M0DCM-Dave.-> What do you expect on a netbook
[22:01] <M0DCM-Dave> well, UNR 10.04 is as slow
[22:02] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, you need to be addressing poulsbo questions to the intel corporation. it is their purview
[22:02] <M0DCM-Dave> and I did
[22:02] <bjsnider> what did they say?
[22:02] <M0DCM-Dave> they told me to go to my Distro
[22:03] <gsp2009> perscitus: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=670508&postcount=2
[22:03] <bjsnider> interesting, interesting...
[22:03] <perscitus> gsp2009.->  grub2
[22:03] <M0DCM-Dave> I thought you'd find it as interesting as I did
[22:03] <haytjes> How is the policy of RC in ubuntu? Is it like in FF? Like the last RC becomes the new version. So everything in the RC is like the real release. Only thing that stops it from being THE release is maybe a bug that should get fixed?
[22:04] <haytjes> Or does the RC contain some clear indications it is an RC
[22:04] <haytjes> like artwork or so
[22:04] <M0DCM-Dave> Can you see my frustration?
[22:04] <gsp2009> perscitus: right. http://harrison3001.blogspot.com/2009/09/grub-2-graphical-boot-tips-to-set.html
[22:04] <M0DCM-Dave> and other Netbook users
[22:04] <crdlb> haytjes: well, that is the definition of a release candidate :)
[22:05] <crdlb> haytjes: afaik, there is no artwork or lsb_release difference, but there have been updates since the RC
[22:06] <gsp2009> perscitus: GRUB_GFXMODE=1440x900x32 maybe?
[22:06] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, you might have to use an old distro, or, gasp..use an operating system made by microsoft
[22:06] <perscitus> gsp2009.->  vbeinfo doesnt show it
[22:06] <M0DCM-Dave> and the thousands of other GM500 netbook users?
[22:06] <haytjes> crdlb: ah ty. Could be ubuntu thought different about RC. Glad they don't :D
[22:07] <coldfire> does anyone know when exactly will 10.4 get released 12 am EST tonight?
[22:07] <M0DCM-Dave> the bugs have been reported, but nothing as been done
[22:07] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, they're in the same boat. does vesa not even work?
[22:07] <M0DCM-Dave> thats terrible
[22:07] <M0DCM-Dave> no compiz or anything
[22:07] <Trewas> M0DCM-Dave: nothing can be done, because intel does not want to fix the poulsbo driver or even release the specs
[22:08] <intangir> i setup a nfs share to share m yhome directory to another machine, i managed to mount the share on the other machine, but my Private directory isnt mounted on the client side, (but it is on the server side)
[22:08] <charlie-tca> coldfire: there is no definite time on any release
[22:08] <M0DCM-Dave> yet Mandriva have it working out of the box in the latest RC
[22:08] <dougb> i don't know if anyone else is having this problem, but i'm having a problem that might be hard to duplicate...
[22:09] <bjsnider> M0DCM-Dave, how did they manage that?
[22:09] <coldfire> charie-tca: ok thanks
[22:09] <M0DCM-Dave> they are using Xorg 1.6.3
[22:09] <M0DCM-Dave> and not 1.7
[22:09] <bjsnider> i figured
[22:10] <lucas-arg1> will we have more updates until final release?
[22:11] <M0DCM-Dave> I'll never go back to Billy "Bob" Gates cronies, so I'll stick with 9.10 till April next year and then throw my 30yrs of computer experience and the netbook in the bin
[22:11] <amereservant> How can I see what is in my gdm log files before sending them with a bug report?
[22:14] <M0DCM-Dave> how about Backporting the Poulsbo drivers that are currently being used to 10.04?
[22:16] <_buck> what's the time for the big event?
[22:16] <crdlb> M0DCM-Dave: you mean the poulsbo driver in 9.10?
[22:16] <M0DCM-Dave> yeah
[22:16] <M0DCM-Dave> would it be possible?
[22:16] <bjsnider> no
[22:17] <crdlb> M0DCM-Dave: first of all, that's not what backport means, and second, it doesn't support lucid's X server
[22:17] <bjsnider> it is not compatible with the new kernels
[22:17] <M0DCM-Dave> you mean the latest Xorg?
[22:19] <jorge> does anyone here know how to change the ubuntu icon next to applications into the old gnome foot? on the new ubuntu lucid?
[22:20] <NinoScript> What will happen with this channel tomorrow?
[22:20] <crdlb> hmm, it looks like mandriva actually has poulsbo working on xserver 1.7
[22:20] <crdlb> NinoScript: it will be closed for a while
[22:21] <M0DCM-Dave> if Mandriva have Xserver 1.7 on Poulsbo working, why haven't Canonical?
[22:21] <NinoScript> crdlb, and #ubuntu+2 will move here?
[22:22] <crdlb> NinoScript: #ubuntu+2?
[22:23] <NinoScript> crdlb, I've always wondered what happens there, it is an "invite-only" channel :P
[22:23] <crdlb> nothing at all :)
[22:24] <Alcor> How do you get to ubuntu-offtopic from here
[22:24] <Alcor> ?
[22:24] <dougb> while playing super tux kart or extreme tux racer, the volume controls begin to act erratic
[22:26] <NinoScript> Alcor, you write /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <jrib> Alcor: /join #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <NinoScript> Alcor, or in most irc clients, just click here: #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:26] <Alcor> when i do that it takes me to #ubuntu=regged
[22:26] <Alcor> ubuntu-regged
[22:28] <Alcor> sry ubuntu-unregged
[22:28] <Alcor> i cant type either
[22:29] <crdlb> !register | Alcor
[22:29] <noah_>  hey, I'm using ubuntu 10.04 RC, and I don't have the nice plymouth bootloader when I start up, but I do when I turn it off. Anyone else having this problem?
[22:30] <bjsnider> crdlb, what kernel is mandriva using?
[22:30] <Alcor> I take it you dont have to be registered here?
[22:30] <crdlb> bjsnider: I have no idea
[22:30] <apparle> what is the shorcut for tabbing in KDE4
[22:31] <Alcor> er thx for all the info
[22:31] <crdlb> Alcor: correct; #ubuntu-offtopic has set +r
[22:32] <Alcor> that makes sense
[22:32] <noah_> apparle: I think it's alt-tab, but it depends on what effect you're using.
[22:34] <apparle> noah_: no I am talking about the tabbing feature in which you can tab different application windows like okular and firefox
[22:43] <StrangeCharm> when is 10.4 coming out; it's almost 10.5?
[22:44] <Spreadsheet_> Every time you ask, the release date is pushed back 1 hour
[22:45] <charlie-tca> StrangeCharm: so they have two days yet, right?
[22:45] <jrib> StrangeCharm: it's 10.04, not 10.4 :)
[22:47] <uspenok> monitor offs on start up, nomodesr doesn't work, nvidia 9600gt, tips ?
[22:49] <StrangeCharm> jrib, there are only 12 months, so i don't think that there'll be much confusion?
[22:49] <StrangeCharm> charlie-tca, right, that's what worries me
[22:49] <jrib> StrangeCharm: well you want 10.10 to be a version higher than 10.04
[22:49] <jrib> StrangeCharm: it's scheduled for release on the 29th...
[22:51] <switchgirl> gwibber doesn't work http://paste.ubuntu.com/424244/
[22:51] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: WFM :)
[22:52] <BUGabundo> switchgirl:  $ pkill gwibber
[22:52] <BUGabundo> gwibber-service -o -d
[22:52] <brianherman> ONE MORE DAY
[22:52] <BUGabundo> and on a new tab gwibber --debug
[22:52] <brianherman> i am so excited
[22:52] <brianherman> its like xmas
[22:52] <StrangeCharm> jrib, i appreciate your point, but, in this context, i think that it's not a huge problem. so 9am tomorrow, then i should worry?
[22:52] <jrib> StrangeCharm: at midnight tomorrow in the last place it is midnight in the world you should worry I guess
[22:52] <brianherman> anybody want to help write a booklet in the ubuntu-doc team?
[22:54] <switchgirl> ** Message: secret service operation failed: The name org.freedesktop.secrets was not provided by any .service files Traceback (most recent call last):  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gwibber/accounts.py", line 184, in on_edit_account_save   self.get_account_data()
[22:54] <brianherman> will 10.04 have xen support again?
[22:54] <switchgirl> this was AFTER i killed and restarted it
[22:55] <switchgirl> brianherman, yes if you make it
[22:55] <switchgirl> :P
[22:55] <brianherman> oh
[22:55] <brianherman> well
[22:55] <brianherman> if you become my gf
[22:55] <brianherman> ill make it
[22:55] <brianherman> :p
[22:55] <brianherman> well your probably a guy anyway
[22:55] <brianherman> so
[22:55] <jpds> brianherman: Probably not.
[22:55] <brianherman> you can be my guy friend
[22:55] <switchgirl> ever heard of a LEABIAN?
[22:55] <brianherman> leabian is that a country?
[22:55] <brianherman> oh
[22:55] <brianherman> lesbian
[22:55] <brianherman> schweet lesbians throw great parties
[22:55] <switchgirl> *spelling fail
[22:56] <brianherman> ya lesbians are awesome they have the best parties
[22:56] <brianherman> They bring all their friends and trade naughty things and kiss each other
[22:56] <brianherman> and free beer
[22:56] <BUGabundo> guys, behave
[22:57] <BUGabundo> this is a family channel
[22:57] <brianherman> oops
[22:57] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: humm can you pastebin it please
[22:57] <brianherman> we should goto ubuntu-offtopic
[22:57] <brianherman> sorry bugabundo
[22:57] <brianherman> M U_U M
[22:57] <Spreadsheet_> Even in offtopic, it's o4o
[22:57] <switchgirl> gwibber doesn't work http://paste.ubuntu.com/424244/
[22:57] <Spreadsheet_> There's no where for this kind of talk! >:)
[22:57] <zubuntz> chatroulette.com?
[22:57] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: apt-cache policy gwibber
[22:58] <BUGabundo> zubuntz: come one!!!
[22:58] <brianherman> Do you like switches switch girl?
[22:58] <BUGabundo> do we really need to start kicking ppl ?
[22:58] <brianherman> oops
[22:58] <brianherman> sorry
[22:58] <BUGabundo> !OT | brianherman
[22:58] <zubuntz> Successful troll is successful.
[22:58] <switchgirl> gwibber:  Installed: 2.30.0.1-0ubuntu1  Candidate: 2.30.0.1-0ubuntu1  Version table: *** 2.30.0.1-0ubuntu1 0        500 http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[22:58] <BUGabundo> consider your selfs warned, ok ?
[22:59] <brianherman> Uh I got a question about 10.04 what is the status of kvm?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: install and make use of pastebinit
[22:59] <brianherman> Is it like super easy now to use kvm?
[22:59] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: I need the pastebin of gwibber-services -d -o
[23:00] <switchgirl> :~$ gwibber-service -o -d Found gwibber-service already running, exiting
[23:00] <BUGabundo> switchgirl: pkill it
[23:02] <brianherman> What is gwibber?
[23:02] <brianherman> !gwibber
[23:02] <maco> brianherman: twitter/identica/facebook/flickr/etc client
[23:02] <maco> i think its how the me menu works
[23:02] <BUGabundo> ...statusnet
[23:02] <maco> BUGabundo: thats in "etc"
[23:02] <brianherman> oh cool
[23:04] <switchgirl> BUGabundo, :)
[23:12] <_pHI_> is it out? is it out? ;)
[23:13] <Spreadsheet_> No
[23:13] <BUGabundo> _pHI_: stop trolling
[23:13] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: whatever
[23:13] <rww> _pHI_: #ubuntu-release-party :)
[23:14] <h4f> how do I move my current /boot folder to my new /boot partition ?
[23:14] <drbobb> what's the difference between debootstrap and cdebootstrap?
[23:14] <Guest53826> Once it comes, I'm going to fix this mess of a installation I have :/
[23:14] <Guest53826> Hurry the heck up!
[23:14] <_pHI_> i just wish they had trim support in the kernel for us SSD users
[23:15] <BUGabundo> _pHI_: it won't
[23:15] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: i find that sad
[23:15] <BUGabundo> nobody cared enough to file an wishbug
[23:16] <rww> drbobb: cdebootstrap is written in C, I think the other one is shellscripts or something
[23:16] <Oxymoron> Uhm, is all Ubuntu servers down? :D I cant get anything to work on my desktop anymore, not even Kopete :P
[23:16] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: maybe because it's such an obviously needed feature
[23:16] <BUGabundo> its not in .32
[23:16] <rww> it's really not obvious
[23:16] <BUGabundo> so its not included by default
[23:16] <drbobb> rww: but functionally, they're equivalent?
[23:16] <rww> drbobb: looks like it
[23:17] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: they do have some .33 backports in there (DRM)
[23:18] <BUGabundo> yes
[23:18] <BUGabundo> nobody cared enough to file an wishbug
[23:18] <_pHI_> morons
[23:19] <BUGabundo> !coc | _pHI_
[23:19] <_pHI_> BUGabundo: thanks
[23:20] <rww> If you don't ask, you don't get, and it makes no sense to complain that you don't get. The developers are not all-knowing, cannot anticipate every user need.
[23:20] <bjsnider> well, i am
[23:20] <_pHI_> rww: where do i file a request for a .33 trim backport? i'll do it right now
[23:21] <drbobb> oh, there's also a multistrap - seems even better
[23:21] <rww> _pHI_: it's purely a kernel thing, right?
[23:21] <_pHI_> rww: yes
[23:21] <rww> _pHI_: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug?no-redirect
[23:22] <rww> Alright, I gtg. I'm sure the other people in here can help with that better than me anyway :)
[23:26] <BUGabundo> _pHI_: $ ubuntu-bug linux
[23:26] <_pHI_> just submitted one
[23:26] <_pHI_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/571476
[23:27] <JetPackTuxedo> Was hibernate removed from 10.04?
[23:27] <BUGabundo> JetPackTuxedo: no
[23:27] <BUGabundo> wfm
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> BUGabundo, It isn't in my menu with suspend, restart, shutdown, and logoff
[23:29] <BUGabundo> I have it
[23:29] <BUGabundo> what GPU and drivers?
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> Nvidia
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> and the newest ones
[23:29] <BUGabundo> driver?
[23:29] <BUGabundo> blob? or NV
[23:29] <JetPackTuxedo> NV
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> I can have the number in a minute
[23:30] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: can you help him ?
[23:30] <pcrov> JetPackTuxedo: is your swap partition as least as big as your ram?
[23:30] <BUGabundo> oh rigt
[23:30] <BUGabundo> forgot that
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> I forgot to set up swapspace
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> that explains it
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> haha
[23:30] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:30] <JetPackTuxedo> thanks guys
[23:30] <BUGabundo> good luck
[23:30] <bjsnider> nv is just a temporary solution until you install the blob
[23:31] <JetPackTuxedo> huh?
[23:31] <bjsnider> nv is just a temporary solution until you install the blob
[23:31] <bjsnider> do not use nv as your nvidia driver
[23:31] <JetPackTuxedo> what's wrong with the nvidia drivers?
[23:32] <bjsnider> use nouveau or the bob
[23:32] <bjsnider> blob
[23:32] <KB1JWQ> blob.
[23:32] <JetPackTuxedo> nouveau doesn't have 3D acceleration
[23:32] <JetPackTuxedo> unless they added it since I tried it
[23:32] <bjsnider> neither does nv
[23:33] <BUGabundo> JetPackTuxedo: there's an experimental version of nouveau with 3D support
[23:33] <JetPackTuxedo> Ohhh
[23:33] <BUGabundo> in the xedgers PPA
[23:33] <JetPackTuxedo> huh
[23:33] <JetPackTuxedo> I'll check it out
[23:33] <BUGabundo> *experimental*
[23:34] <JetPackTuxedo> you guys rock ^.^
[23:34] <JetPackTuxedo> BUGabundo, even experimental is better. NVidia is slow. Nouveau ran great when I had it, but I couldn't run compiz, so I left it.
[23:36] <BUGabundo> nvidia blob is fast here
[23:36] <BUGabundo> faster then nouveau
[23:46] <bjorn> is kde trying to drive users away?  i tried to install lucid, but kmail is completely non-functional, with some akonadi issue
[23:46] <brianherman> how to i update the time in ubuntu from the command line in 10.04 i am getting errors with time
[23:48] <MJEvans> I have a sort of odd question.   I'll be attending a Lanch Party for Ubuntu Lucid Thrs night.  I want to download anything I can early so that I just need to grab a little bit to have a complete CD image.  Will there be a jigdo download for the final image that I can use an RC image for?
[23:49] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, BUGabundo crimsun h00k IdleOne rww yofel (everyone I forgot to mention) - before this channel closes, I just wanted to say "Thank you all" for sharing your knowledge and experience with Ubuntu over the past few months in this channel.  I have learned a great deal from #ubuntu+1 over this time, and have enjoyed becoming more involved with the Ubuntu community.  Prior to Lucid I didn't even have a LaunchPad account.  Thank you all!
[23:49] <MJEvans> ZykoticK9: it doesn't close though.  It'll stick around for Ubuntu MM whatever that is.
[23:50] <yofel> it closes for a few weeks (until uds usually)
[23:50] <yofel> ZykoticK9: thanks, and thanks for all the time you spent here too, hope to see you again :)
[23:51] <BUGabundo> we all too ZykoticK9
[23:51] <BUGabundo> NOW STOP THE SPAM :)
[23:51] <yofel> ^^
[23:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: no. until toolchain
[23:51] <BUGabundo> you would cut my wrists if it was until UDS
[23:52] <yofel> well, I only followed the pre-alpha discussion since lucid, and I remember the channel opening somewhere around uds-l so I might be wrong
[23:54] <BUGabundo> ORLY?
[23:55] <BUGabundo> I've been doing +1 from start for a few cycles
[23:55] <BUGabundo> maybe 7.10
[23:55] <BUGabundo> 7.04 I was in alpha2
[23:55] <BUGabundo> 6.10 beta
[23:55] <westinghouse> it takes a lot of time to update
[23:56] <yofel> me too, but for intrepid I was here since beta, jaunty alpha3, karmic alpha1, and lucid pre-alpha, but 6 months are a long time so my memory might fail me
[23:56] <h00k> ZykoticK9: I'm all teary-eyed
[23:56] <h00k> :3
[23:57]  * BUGabundo tries to match codenames to versions
[23:57] <yofel> they're correctly sorted :P
[23:57] <BUGabundo> yofel: for lucid I was here since day two... november 2th
[23:57] <BUGabundo> karmic come out on the 29th
[23:58] <westinghouse> a petaflop of files
[23:58] <Ken8521_> 6.06=dapper, 6.10=edgy, 7.04=feisty, 7.10=gutsy,8.04=hardy,8.10-intrepid,9.04=jaunty,9.10=karmic,10.04=lucid
[23:58] <yofel> really? I got redirected to #ubuntu until uds, maybe you're on the invite list? (ubuntu member only maybe?)
[23:58] <bjsnider> Ken8521_, what about breezy and warty?
[23:58] <westinghouse> what follows after zoophilic zebra?
[23:59] <Ken8521_> bjsnider, those don't count.. ubuntu sucked back then
[23:59] <Ken8521_> lol
[23:59] <westinghouse> aarkward aard?
[23:59] <yofel> arctic ara
[23:59] <Ken8521_> what makes you think it will be zoophilic zebra?
[23:59] <yofel> wait, that doesn't exist...