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| DanaG | * Add a new 'fixrtc' script that tries to set the system clock forward based on the last mount time of the root disk; without this kludge, systems without a working RTC will end up in a perpetual reboot loop. Thanks to Dave Martin <Dave.Martin@arm.com> for the patch. LP: #563618. | 03:43 |
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| DanaG | nice | 03:43 |
| DanaG | hmm, now how do I make the beagle use the flashkernel kernel? | 04:21 |
| DanaG | And what bootargs does it want? | 04:24 |
| persia | DanaG: flash-kernel *should* write the kernel to the SD card and set the bootargs. Which bit isn't working? | 04:40 |
| DanaG | Hmm, does it write to SD, or to NAND, or both? | 04:41 |
| * persia checks, but thought it wrote to SD | 04:42 | |
| DanaG | Can't find /boot/vmlinuz---help and /boot/initrd.img---help | 04:43 |
| DanaG | HAR. | 04:43 |
| persia | Seems to be NAND only, actually. | 04:44 |
| persia | Aha! That's a different issue. | 04:45 |
| DanaG | I looked in flash kernel, and don't see where it sets boot args. | 04:57 |
| persia | Neither do I, really. | 04:58 |
| persia | TO me it looks like it runs mkimage, adn then copies the result. | 04:59 |
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| hrw | morning | 08:02 |
| ogra | lool, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rootstock/+bug/570588/comments/6 do you have any idea about that one ? | 08:41 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 570588 in rootstock (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "/usr/bin/rootstock: line 195: 13642 Segmentation fault qemu-system-arm $QEMUOPTS -append "${APPEND}" > $QEMUFIFO 2>&1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 08:41 |
| * ogra hasnt seen anything like that | 08:43 | |
| lool | ogra: Hey | 09:29 |
| ogra | ho | 09:29 |
| lool | ogra: Just FYI I tested the lucid omap image on my beagleboard and it didn't boot | 09:30 |
| lool | I think the boot script uses the source command which I dont have support for in the default u-boot | 09:30 |
| ogra | ugh, thats a C4 ? | 09:30 |
| lool | yes | 09:30 |
| lool | I dont think I ever replaced the u-boot in flash | 09:30 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetbookInstall should work then | 09:31 |
| ogra | i'm sure all C4 u-boots have hush shell support | 09:31 |
| lool | I actually have a box of c4s here | 09:31 |
| * ogra just looks at http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF06a/12454-12454-321959-338927-3640405-4063703.html | 09:31 | |
| ogra | HP does a very good job of not giving *any* info about the marvell CPU used in these devices | 09:32 |
| hrw | Marvel armv7a lacks neon | 09:33 |
| ogra | lool, can you try the stuff under "Preparation work" wrt uboot on the wikipage | 09:33 |
| ogra | hrw, yes, but we have armada/dove support while we dont have kirkwood support in ubuntu | 09:33 |
| hrw | lool: which uboot ver you have on c4? | 09:33 |
| ogra | that device might make a nice dev platform if it would be dove | 09:34 |
| hrw | this is not a kirkwood I think. | 09:36 |
| hrw | never herd of kirkwood with gfx inside | 09:36 |
| ogra | well, i would expect the same regarding the 1.2GHz | 09:36 |
| lool | ogra: sorry, it's a C3 not a C4 | 09:36 |
| lool | I have C4 here with which we will try | 09:36 |
| hrw | openrd-base/client uses XGI chipset for video | 09:36 |
| ogra | but there is no concrete doc that tells anything about the CPU at all | 09:36 |
| hrw | armada 100/500/1000 fits | 09:37 |
| ogra | lool, C4 should work out of the box ... though note that flash-kernel rewrites the uboot config and there is no "restore" command (i didnt have teh time to rewrite it to use teh existing u-boot vars, i'll do that for 10.0+), better save the printenv output if you want to restore | 09:38 |
| * ogra will add fw_backup_env and fw_restore_env commands to uboot-envtools on 10.10 | 09:39 | |
| hrw | ogra: newegg has them cheaper: http://www.biz.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16859105659 | 09:40 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: iirc that hp is essentially openrd-client | 09:41 |
| hrw | suihkulokki: but openrd-client has separate videoram iirc | 09:41 |
| suihkulokki | hrw: like that hp has | 09:42 |
| ogra | heh, "you save $20" ... "shipping costs $10" | 09:42 |
| ogra | funny | 09:42 |
| hrw | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-t5745-and-HP-t5325/ says kirkwood | 09:43 |
| suihkulokki | http://my.opera.com/bhtooefr/blog/hp-t5325-thin-client-risc-os-and-maybe-combining-the-two-or-just-running-linu | 09:44 |
| suihkulokki | includes link to dmesg | 09:44 |
| ogra | 1.2 GHz Marvell 88F6281 Kirkwood SoC aha | 09:44 |
| ogra | so its a sheeva on steroids | 09:45 |
| ogra | not ubuntu then :/ | 09:45 |
| hrw | yep | 09:46 |
| cooloney | ogra and hrw, mouser cancelled our order for beagle board | 09:47 |
| ogra | who is mouser ? | 09:48 |
| cooloney | because they cannot ship it to china due to some US export law | 09:48 |
| ogra | bah | 09:48 |
| cooloney | or mouser is a similar courier like digikey | 09:48 |
| cooloney | or distributor | 09:48 |
| hrw | cant they ship it to europe/us office and then let company take care of it? | 09:48 |
| Mike^ | cooloney, if you'd like to I can try to arrange you cheap cm-t35 (http://compulab.co.il/t3530/html/t3530-cm-datasheet.htm | 09:58 |
| cooloney | Mike^: oh, man, that is nice | 09:59 |
| ogra | err | 09:59 |
| ogra | note that the only omap we dont support is the cm-t35 | 09:59 |
| ogra | (in the omap3 series) | 09:59 |
| Mike^ | ogra, right :) great thanks :) | 10:00 |
| cooloney | Mike^: as ogra said, we can ramp up ubuntu on cm-t35 | 10:00 |
| ogra | http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/unleash-the-beagles/#comment-246 | 10:00 |
| * ogra just was pointed to the fact a minute ago | 10:01 | |
| ogra | i'll have to ask amit why he didnt enable it, i guess he had reasons for it | 10:01 |
| Mike^ | ogra, maybe becase it has display support merged after 2.6.33 | 10:01 |
| ogra | ah, yeah, that might be | 10:01 |
| ogra | an i guess it doesnt come with the 256M it supports by default, does it ? | 10:02 |
| ogra | amitk, heh, speaking of the devil | 10:03 |
| ogra | amitk, http://ograblog.wordpress.com/2010/04/23/unleash-the-beagles/#comment-246 | 10:03 |
| Mike^ | ogra, it has 256M by default | 10:03 |
| ogra | ah, the spec says 64-256 | 10:03 |
| Mike^ | but can be assmebled with 64 and 128 if the customer will ask | 10:03 |
| ogra | ok | 10:03 |
| Mike^ | ogra, possible display is not the issue, because e.g iegp2 has no display either in 2.6.33... | 10:04 |
| cooloney | Mike^: is there any big difference between cm-t35 and beagle board? | 10:04 |
| cooloney | maybe kernel is not a big problem, | 10:04 |
| cooloney | ubuntu needs display, right? | 10:04 |
| ogra | depends what you want to do with it :) | 10:05 |
| ogra | we have netinstall and server images for omap to use it headless | 10:05 |
| Mike^ | cooloney: t35 has TPS69030 instead of TWL4030 that beagle has, but on the other side it has on-board wifi and Ethernet :) | 10:05 |
| amitk | ogra: I know about it, there's some bug with the alsa init in the CM_T35 board, making the driver modular doesn't work. So I had to remove it completely. | 10:05 |
| ogra | amitk, mind to comment ? | 10:06 |
| amitk | If someone has a fix, I'll take it. Else I'll need some time to fix it | 10:06 |
| cooloney | Mike^: yeah, that is better, i think | 10:06 |
| cooloney | amitk: i think Mike^ is the man | 10:06 |
| hrw | Mike^: tps69xxx and twl4030 use same drivers | 10:06 |
| Mike^ | hwr, right, but tps69030 has less features than twl4030 | 10:08 |
| Mike^ | cooloney: I'll talk to our sales guys and send you an e-mail after that | 10:11 |
| Mike^ | amitk: do you remember what was the bug with audio? | 10:11 |
| * XorA|gone points to the ASoC maintainer sitting on this channel :-) | 10:14 | |
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| hrw | ;DD | 10:15 |
| lool | ogra: sorry, got distracted, machine crashed and more | 10:17 |
| ogra | ouch | 10:17 |
| lool | ogra: So my board doesn't boot of the box with the lucid image | 10:17 |
| lool | but a C4 out of digikey does | 10:17 |
| lool | ogra: So you're all good | 10:18 |
| lool | It's probably specific to C3 | 10:18 |
| lool | older u-boot or so | 10:18 |
| ogra | lool, and for your board, just look at boot.scr and type the commands on the uboot prompt :) | 10:18 |
| lool | ogra: Well ISTR it was "source" failing | 10:18 |
| ogra | right, i'll write the flash-uboot-x-loader wikipage today :) | 10:18 |
| ogra | so you can upgrade if you want to | 10:19 |
| hrw | ogra: http://www.angstrom-distribution.org/demo/beagleboard/README.txt is good base for it | 10:19 |
| ogra | luckily we dont need hush shell support in our setup | 10:19 |
| ogra | hrw, hmm, for the variant on the prompt at least, i aslo want to do it from a running system | 10:20 |
| cooloney | Mike^: thanks a lot, man. heh | 10:20 |
| ogra | but first i have to test server and netinst images :) | 10:21 |
| ogra | lool, btw, did you see my ping from this morning ? | 10:25 |
| ogra | ogra> lool, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rootstock/+bug/570588/comments/6 do you have any idea about that one ? | 10:25 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 570588 in rootstock (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "/usr/bin/rootstock: line 195: 13642 Segmentation fault qemu-system-arm $QEMUOPTS -append "${APPEND}" > $QEMUFIFO 2>&1 (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,New] | 10:25 |
| ogra | i have never seen something like that | 10:25 |
| lool | ogra: that rings a bell | 10:33 |
| ogra | looks very scary | 10:33 |
| lool | ogra: what's triggering this? | 10:33 |
| lool | which command? | 10:33 |
| hrw | ogra: can you remind me rootstock page? I will try | 10:34 |
| ogra | seems its the start of the VM | 10:34 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/RootfsFromScratch | 10:34 |
| ogra | note that he uses a script with bashisms (i have an SRU already for that, didnt notice when i merged the patch) but thats shouldnt affect anything at that point | 10:35 |
| ogra | (it causes the "...initrd.img-*': No such file or directory") | 10:35 |
| hrw | time to install lucid in VM | 10:36 |
| ogra | time to install lucid on your beagles ! | 10:37 |
| * ogra still doesnt see many omap related bugs ... i would expect more | 10:38 | |
| hrw | ogra: my C3 refuses to see usb devices | 10:38 |
| ogra | install to SD :) | 10:38 |
| ogra | the netinstall offers that | 10:38 |
| ogra | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall | 10:38 |
| XorA | heh, first requirement on that page is a usb device | 10:39 |
| * XorA offers ogra more coffee | 10:39 | |
| ogra | *slurp* | 10:39 |
| ogra | ok, you need a NIC ... indeed | 10:40 |
| * ogra slaps forehead | 10:40 | |
| hrw | and it has "attach keyboard" | 10:40 |
| ogra | well, you can change the comdline in boot.scr and use serial | 10:41 |
| ogra | but no NIC is indeed a showstopper for a netinstall | 10:41 |
| hrw | I have 3 dm9601 usb network adapters | 10:41 |
| XorA | someone hurry up and patch the kernel with zippy support :-) | 10:41 |
| ogra | send beer to amitk :) | 10:42 |
| hrw | ogra: and zippy2 | 10:42 |
| ogra | send more beer to amitk :) | 10:42 |
| amitk | Mike^: we had some problems booting beagle with CONFIG_OMAP_MUX. But CM_T32 depends on it. So we had to unfortunately disable the board. I hope to re-add that support sometime... | 10:42 |
| XorA | although I can do what I did for zoom2 and boot lucid off the Angstrom kernel | 10:43 |
| ogra | sure, you just lose all upgradeability | 10:43 |
| XorA | but gain a lot of features | 10:44 |
| ogra | might be but you might be screwed at some point using dist-upgrade | 10:45 |
| ogra | depends how you installed | 10:46 |
| XorA | well with no working USB Ive only got one choice to install and that rootstock with minimal image | 10:46 |
| JaMa | lunch | 10:46 |
| hrw | JaMa: you here too? | 10:46 |
| * hrw checks again... this is not #oe channel? | 10:47 | |
| ogra | XorA, yeah, that wont set up the kernel or initramfs | 10:47 |
| XorA | initramfs seems to be optional | 10:47 |
| ogra | its not | 10:48 |
| lool | ogra: I dont think the bashisms are the issue though :-) | 10:48 |
| ogra | make sure to never install encryptfs relared stuff :) | 10:48 |
| ogra | lool, no, i just wanted to mention it | 10:48 |
| lool | Ok | 10:48 |
| lool | I'm afraid my qemu time shrunk considerably as of late | 10:49 |
| ogra | since it spills an additional error in the log | 10:49 |
| ogra | lool, forever or just because of release ? | 10:49 |
| ogra | i thought its among your new responsibilities to care for virtualization | 10:49 |
| amitk | XorA: There is a boot bug due to audio init here. And the driver can't be modular. The real fix is to move the omap_ctrl_* calls to the clock framework, IMO. https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-ti-omap/+bug/556482 | 10:50 |
| ubot4 | Launchpad bug 556482 in linux-ti-omap (Ubuntu) "kernel crash when booting on AM3517-EVM (affects: 1)" [Wishlist,Fix released] | 10:50 |
| hrw | x86(-64) installer for lucid is nice | 10:50 |
| XorA | amitk: prod lrg about that | 10:50 |
| ogra | hrw, its the same as for ARM ... | 10:50 |
| XorA | amitk: he is ASoC maintainer and inventor | 10:51 |
| hrw | ogra: so far I did not had occasion to do anything with arm one | 10:51 |
| ogra | ah | 10:51 |
| amitk | XorA: aah, right. I think I met lrg at Plumbers Conf last year | 10:51 |
| hrw | ah those good times when ASoC meant WM8xxx/WM9xxx chips used in zaurus devices | 10:52 |
| XorA | amitk: he was there | 10:52 |
| Mike^ | ogra: i've tried netinstall yesterday and it crashed telling something like "no more free space" during packages install | 10:55 |
| ogra | Mike^, what task did you select ? and how big was your disk ? | 10:55 |
| Mike^ | ogra, it was before task selection, as far as I understand it was during debootstrap | 10:56 |
| ogra | (for a netbook task you should use 4G or more, minimal should have around 500MB at least) | 10:56 |
| ogra | oh, weird | 10:56 |
| ogra | how big was your disk then ? | 10:57 |
| Mike^ | a have 80G usb disk :) | 10:57 |
| ogra | hmm, that should be plenty | 10:57 |
| ogra | having a bug with the installer logs would be helpful | 10:57 |
| lrg | amitk: the [ 675.154052] Failed to add route LOUT->Line Out suggests the machine driver needs updating too | 10:57 |
| Mike^ | ogra, i'll try :) | 10:57 |
| ogra | though if your HW isnt supported in the kernel it might be related | 10:57 |
| Mike^ | ogra, I've added my hw to the kernel I use for boot. And netbook mix works Ok | 10:58 |
| ogra | hmm, k | 10:58 |
| ogra | it might be d-i that needs to know about your HW too | 10:59 |
| ogra | the archdetect command is used in many places in d-i and it gets its info from the Hardware line of 7proc/cpuinfo | 11:00 |
| ogra | though "no more free space" is a weird error | 11:00 |
| ogra | i can imagine it doesnt know what kernel to select if your board isnt in archdetect | 11:01 |
| ogra | but that would be a different error msg | 11:01 |
| Mike^ | ogra, I don't remember exactly, I'm going to retry now and see what's going on there | 11:01 |
| * Mike^ running Lucid netinstall | 11:02 | |
| ogra | tty4 has the log btw | 11:02 |
| * ogra notices the time and considers some breakfast | 11:05 | |
| ogra | bbl | 11:05 |
| amitk | lrg: ok, I'm not an audio expert. I'll fix the driver to be modular and then ping you for help. | 11:05 |
| saeed | persia: ping | 11:29 |
| persia | saeed: What's up? | 11:29 |
| saeed | persia: hi there | 11:30 |
| saeed | perisa: I tried to install openswan | 11:30 |
| saeed | but it never finish after doing the "Setting up .." | 11:30 |
| persia | saeed: You you ran `apt-get install openswan` and it never took you through the certificate setup? | 11:32 |
| saeed | it did | 11:32 |
| persia | OK. At what point isn't it working for you, precisely? | 11:33 |
| saeed | the apt-get install hangs after printing "Setting up openswan " | 11:35 |
| persia | I'm confused. When I install, I get debconf prompts for the certificate setup after "Setting up openswan". | 11:36 |
| persia | And you say you got that, but also that it hangs at that point. Could you paste a log or similar? | 11:37 |
| saeed | persia: I've killed it. I'll retry and send you the log | 11:39 |
| saeed | perisa: I'm in deadlock, I can't remove or purge openswan as dpkg is interrupted and I must run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" | 11:47 |
| persia | OK. What happens when you run `dpkg --configure -a`? | 11:48 |
| saeed | but then that will try to resume the openswan installation which hangs again | 11:48 |
| persia | saeed: Well, let's see if debugging helps :) Try adding "set -x" near the top of /var/lib/dpkg/info/openswan.postinst | 11:49 |
| Mike^ | ogra: The netinstall seems to work now. Probably I've run it last time without the USB disk and MMC card has exploded. So, no bug report for now :) | 11:49 |
| ogra | oki :) | 11:50 |
| saeed | persia: apt-get remove worked, I tried also purge then re-install, it hangs before reaching the configuration setup | 11:54 |
| saeed | CTRL+C doesn't help as well | 11:55 |
| persia | So, if you purged, did it go through the certificate wizard this time again? | 11:56 |
| saeed | no | 11:58 |
| persia | But it did last time? | 11:58 |
| saeed | the openswan install hangs at :/usr/lib/ipsec/rsasigkey 2048 | 11:58 |
| persia | OK. What happens if you try to run that directly, rather than as part of the postinst? | 11:59 |
| saeed | I tried strace /usr/lib/ipsec/rsasigkey 2048 | 11:59 |
| saeed | and it wait on /dev/random | 12:00 |
| saeed | when I move the mouse | 12:00 |
| saeed | I can see that it succeeded to read few bytes | 12:00 |
| saeed | it seems I have no enough random devices on dove | 12:00 |
| persia | Do you have a TPM or RNG on the board? | 12:00 |
| saeed | no | 12:01 |
| saeed | we don't have random generation device | 12:02 |
| persia | Yeah, other than that you're stuck with disk read timings, keypress timings, mouse movements, and network checksums, which may not be much at all :( | 12:02 |
| persia | Sometimes running `find / -name *gz -exec gzcat {} > /dev/null;` or similar can help, as it generates lots of IO. | 12:03 |
| persia | Or start a torrent. | 12:03 |
| saeed | persia: sometimes my system boots with network disabled | 12:06 |
| saeed | I notices those errors on dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu.com/423915/ | 12:07 |
| persia | That's unexpected. | 12:07 |
| persia | Isn't that just the app_armour profiles? I think that's normal. | 12:08 |
| persia | I'm unsure why that would disable your network though. | 12:08 |
| hrw | minimal ubuntu image is huge | 13:08 |
| ogra | compared to ? | 13:08 |
| hrw | OE ones/ | 13:08 |
| hrw | ? | 13:08 |
| ogra | thats because ubuntu isnt optimized for embedded | 13:09 |
| hrw | I know | 13:09 |
| ogra | debian isnt much smaller | 13:09 |
| ogra | and i doubt fedora or opensuse are | 13:09 |
| hrw | but would be nice to fit in 256MB nand on beagle for example | 13:10 |
| ogra | you can surely achieve that | 13:10 |
| ogra | rip out the x86 specific parts, remove all docs etc | 13:10 |
| ogra | i guess that would get you to around 100M | 13:11 |
| hrw | drop python/perl if possible | 13:11 |
| ogra | you shouldnt | 13:11 |
| hrw | *if possible* | 13:11 |
| ogra | python is an essential piece of ubuntu, many ubuntu specific apps use python | 13:11 |
| ogra | (tha majority of ubuntu development is done in python) | 13:12 |
| ogra | and perl is historically used in many apps | 13:12 |
| persia | You should be able to get minimal in 256MB *easy* | 13:18 |
| hrw | 270MB is so far what I have | 13:18 |
| persia | Try --no-install-recommends | 13:19 |
| hrw | 237MB after cleaning /var/lib/apt/lists/ | 13:19 |
| persia | Also, use a compressing filesystem on your NAND (e.g. ubifs) | 13:19 |
| hrw | let me first check what can be safely removed | 13:20 |
| ogra | hrw, /usr/share/doc ... /usr/share/man | 13:24 |
| ogra | and as persia mentioned, avoid all recommends | 13:25 |
| hrw | /usr/share/{x11,locale,doc,man} | 13:25 |
| persia | hrw: Really, it's easier to start over. Do your initial install without recommends. | 13:25 |
| hrw | sure | 13:25 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:~$ sudo du -chs /var/build/lucid-arm-chroot/ | 13:27 |
| ogra | 245M/var/build/lucid-arm-chroot/ | 13:27 |
| ogra | hmm | 13:27 |
| ogra | thats with nothing cleaned, plain debootstrapped chroot | 13:27 |
| persia | with or without recommends? | 13:27 |
| ogra | just plain qe,u-debootstrap | 13:28 |
| * persia ended up with *exim4* in a sid chroot recently by not remembering to adjust this. | 13:28 | |
| ogra | *qemu | 13:28 |
| persia | Right. By default, it includes recommends. | 13:28 |
| ogra | debootstrap ? | 13:28 |
| persia | Yep. | 13:28 |
| persia | At least when I debootstrapped sid a few days ago, I ended up with recommends. I haven't debootstrapped lucid in a few weeks. | 13:29 |
| persia | Actually, I might have done it only a week ago, but I didn't check for recommends then. | 13:29 |
| ogra | hmm, minibase should solve that | 13:30 |
| hrw | my new laptop is in delivery ;d | 13:30 |
| Mike^ | ogra: sid debootstarp is 159M after rm /var/cache/apt/* | 13:31 |
| ogra | Mike^, that doesnt gain you much ... you will at least need to keep the package lists there | 13:32 |
| ogra | (and apt-get update will recreate them) | 13:32 |
| ogra | unless you dont plan to do anything with the system :) | 13:33 |
| hrw | ncdu is nice tool to check space used | 13:33 |
| Mike^ | ogra: it's with the lists, just without *debs | 13:33 |
| hrw | Mike^: 'apt-get clean' is better way | 13:33 |
| ogra | yeah | 13:33 |
| Mike^ | ogra: in embedded one usually doesn't do 'apt-get something' | 13:33 |
| Mike^ | hrw: it was a quick test, and 'rm ' is faster than 'chroot /home/mike/arm/sid apt-get clean' | 13:35 |
| hrw | yep | 13:35 |
| ogra | ogra@osiris:/var/build$ sudo du -chs /var/build/lucid-minimal/ | 13:35 |
| ogra | 138M/var/build/lucid-minimal/ | 13:35 |
| Mike^ | lucid wins :) | 13:35 |
| ogra | using: sudo qemu-debootstrap --arch=armel --variant=minbase lucid lucid-minimal | 13:35 |
| ogra | no idea if thats bootable though :) | 13:36 |
| Mike^ | hrw: the best I had with sid is ~350M with gdm and e17 | 13:36 |
| Mike^ | ogra: most probably yes, the question if it's usable :) | 13:37 |
| ogra | if it boots to a shell it will be :) | 13:37 |
| hrw | for basic arm devel rootfs I would like to have few extras like evtest, tslib-bin | 13:39 |
| ogra | well, that probably gets you to 150M | 13:40 |
| persia | And the budget is probaly ~400MB if you use ubifs | 13:40 |
| ogra | less if you use squashfs/tmpfs and aufs | 13:41 |
| ogra | like 50M or so | 13:41 |
| ogra | butu indeed that eats your ram | 13:41 |
| ogra | *but | 13:41 |
| persia | And isn't persistent. | 13:41 |
| persia | And isn't optimised for NAND. | 13:41 |
| ogra | you could have two partitions :) | 13:41 |
| * persia stops adding to the list | 13:42 | |
| ogra | one ubi one squash | 13:42 |
| ogra | rw goes to ubi | 13:42 |
| persia | Why not just stick a squash image in the ubifs if you want to play that way: easier. Still, no benefits from double-compression. | 13:42 |
| ogra | oh, indeed | 13:43 |
| ogra | i didnt think about stacking | 13:43 |
| hrw | someone remember why 'make' is important? | 14:03 |
| ogra | pfft, no need for make in shellscripts :P | 14:04 |
| ogra | and dash is so tiny and fast | 14:05 |
| hrw | but we got make by default | 14:05 |
| persia | So we can build drivers if neceesary. | 14:05 |
| persia | Some folk can't access the network until they do some DKMS magic. | 14:05 |
| persia | Oh, and some stuff is implemented in make (it's a fine scripting language) | 14:06 |
| lool | ogra: I'm not in charge of virtualization as a whole, no | 14:07 |
| hrw | to be safely removed: aptitude with deps - 12MB | 14:07 |
| ogra | lool, wrt arm indeed | 14:08 |
| ogra | hrw, aptitude should die die die | 14:08 |
| * lool uses aptitude every day | 14:08 | |
| ogra | shudder | 14:08 |
| hrw | I would also kill console-setup/xkb-data/kbd - ~7MB | 14:09 |
| hrw | console-terminus can be sacrified if space is needed - 800KB | 14:11 |
| hrw | gnupg support another few MB | 14:12 |
| ogra | only if you use serial only | 14:13 |
| hrw | kernel has usable fonts so terminus can be dropped | 14:14 |
| hrw | tasksel is next 3.5MB | 14:14 |
| hrw | plymouth needs fixed deps to not depend on libdrm-{intel/radeon/noveuau} on ~x86(-64) | 14:16 |
| persia | ogra: So, without aptitude, how do you do `aptitude why`? | 14:18 |
| ogra | persia, why would i do aptitude why ? | 14:49 |
| persia | Maybe you wouldn't. I use why and why not frequenty to sort out issues each cycle. | 14:50 |
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| hrw | never used 'why' before ;D | 15:06 |
| * Mike^ have kubuntu on omap. but it's really slow :( | 15:07 | |
| ogra | heh | 15:07 |
| ogra | did you expect anything different ? | 15:08 |
| XorA | turn off all that blending :-) | 15:08 |
| Mike^ | ogra: I have not patience to wait untill settings will open | 15:08 |
| ogra | use netbook then :) | 15:08 |
| Mike^ | ogra: I used kubuntu-netbook | 15:09 |
| ogra | ubuntu-netbook indeed :) | 15:09 |
| Mike^ | ubuntu-netbook is much faster | 15:10 |
| hrw | hmm.. to get to <100MB would be hard | 15:10 |
| hrw | no busybox in usable package | 15:10 |
| Mike^ | ogra: so, the only thing left to make me completely happy is to include cm-t35 into official ubunu omap kernel ;-) | 15:11 |
| ogra | Mike^, well, if lrg gives amitk a fix for the audio issue that can happen in 10.10 | 15:11 |
| Mike^ | ogra, amitk said it had somthing to do with CONFIG_OMAP_MUX rather than audio... | 15:13 |
| hrw | muxing... | 15:13 |
| Mike^ | and, anyway, I was cheating, I had to apply two patches for headed configuration. | 15:13 |
| * XorA hides under the table away from muxing | 15:13 | |
| ogra | oh, right the audio issue was AM3517-EVM | 15:14 |
| XorA | muxing is a general issue for all omap devices, but I think beagleboard should be fixed these days to work | 15:15 |
| Mike^ | I thought beagle has all the muxing in the bootloaders | 15:15 |
| XorA | Mike^: its also in the kernel, but for a long time was wrong | 15:16 |
| Mike^ | XoRA: that's why beagleboard doesn't boot with muxing enabled | 15:16 |
| XorA | and it should be fixed in kernel on all omap3/4 devices as there is no guarantee there is a bootloader | 15:16 |
| amitk | XorA: I know the MUX work, but do you remember if it went in in 2.6.34-rc? | 15:21 |
| XorA | amitk: no, I lost track | 15:22 |
| XorA | amitk: koen is normally a good person to ask about that kind of thing | 15:23 |
| amitk | ok | 15:23 |
| Mike^ | amitk: do you remember by chance what was the problem with beagleboard and MUX? | 15:35 |
| hrw | someone remember which package contains mk-sbuild? | 15:37 |
| ogra | ubuntu-dev-tools iirc | 15:38 |
| lool | Yes | 15:40 |
| lool | hrw: FYI, packages.ubuntu.com let you query this | 15:40 |
| hrw | right | 15:40 |
| * ogra fixed the screenshot on the beagle page | 15:57 | |
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| inhand1 | has anyone tried installing Lucid on a BeagleBoard? | 17:02 |
| ogra | inhand1, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Beagle | 17:04 |
| inhand1 | orga, That is what I am working on. Have you done it? | 17:07 |
| ogra | yes | 17:07 |
| inhand1 | I cannot seem to get any USB devices working during the install. Therefore, no keyboard, mouse, or network. | 17:08 |
| ogra | which of the three images do you use ? | 17:09 |
| ogra | and what beagle revision | 17:09 |
| inhand1 | I tried all three | 17:09 |
| ogra | the images are all tested on a C4 beagle | 17:09 |
| inhand1 | beagle = C4 | 17:09 |
| ogra | ok | 17:09 |
| ogra | powered hub ? | 17:09 |
| inhand1 | yes, on either OTG or Host | 17:10 |
| ogra | (it wont work without) | 17:10 |
| ogra | OTG isnt supported yet with that kernel | 17:10 |
| inhand1 | ok, that helps. | 17:10 |
| ogra | but with powered hub attached to host port you should definately get kbd and mouse | 17:11 |
| inhand1 | can I get debug on the serial port? | 17:11 |
| ogra | for the network it depends on your NIC, apparently GrueMaster just found that moschip NICs dont work | 17:11 |
| ogra | you can, you need to edit boot.scr | 17:12 |
| inhand1 | i have asix and smsc LAN9514 | 17:12 |
| ogra | there is a section on the wikipage above | 17:12 |
| ogra | asix works fine for me | 17:12 |
| ogra | i just finished a netinstall test | 17:12 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: That's only on the netboot kernel. The live image and installed image works fine. | 17:12 |
| ogra | right | 17:12 |
| ogra | the live image has all firmware available | 17:13 |
| ogra | i think the netbook image only includes a subset | 17:13 |
| ogra | i need to talk to amitk about that | 17:13 |
| ogra | *netboot | 17:13 |
| inhand1 | do all three use the same boot kernel? | 17:14 |
| jmcgee | anyone know if there is a group discount for UDS participants at the Dolce La Hulpe hotel? | 17:15 |
| ogra | jmcgee, yes, it should be somewhere on the wikipage or a subpage | 17:16 |
| ogra | inhand1, yes | 17:16 |
| jmcgee | ogra: thanks, that's what I would have expected. will keep looking... | 17:17 |
| ogra | amitk, could it be that we dont include all firmware or usb NIC drivers in our kernel build ? | 17:18 |
| GrueMaster | ogra: netboot is now working with my trendnet usb nic. | 17:20 |
| GrueMaster | Thankfully, I have two usb nics. | 17:20 |
| GrueMaster | Of different brands. | 17:20 |
| ogra | great | 17:20 |
| ogra | i havent even tried my moschip one yet | 17:21 |
| ogra | the asix one fits better into the hub | 17:21 |
| cwillu_at_work | oh where oh where has my rcn gone, oh where oh where could he be? | 17:31 |
| amitk | ogra: which one doesn't work? | 17:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | amitk, moschip | 17:32 |
| ogra_cmpc | not sure which driver that is | 17:33 |
| amitk | ogra_cmpc: I'm assuming it works on the desktop? | 17:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | yep | 17:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | i suspect we miss fw | 17:33 |
| inhand1 | ogra: thanks, I think it is a x-loader/u-boot customization we did or something else. I am using stock versions and I am into the installer | 17:40 |
| inhand1 | where are the list of mirrors? the default doesn't work | 17:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | there are no (official) mirrors, ports.ubuntu.com is the only server holding armel packages | 17:41 |
| inhand1 | is path just '/' | 17:43 |
| amitk | ogra_cmpc: CONFIG_USB_NET_MCS7830=m | 17:44 |
| amitk | ogra_cmpc: could be linux-firmware? but that should be identical to the x86 package | 17:46 |
| ogra_cmpc | amitk, i'll check in my next install test | 17:51 |
| ogra_cmpc | i know the udebs are all there as they should be but probably not all content is in the udebs | 17:52 |
| ogra_cmpc | inhand1, no, /ubuntu-ports | 17:53 |
| ogra_cmpc | that should be preseeded by default though | 17:53 |
| ogra | amitk, aha, MCS7830 seems not to be in the udeb | 18:15 |
| ogra | drivers/net/usb only has pegasus asix and usbnet | 18:16 |
| GrueMaster | That's what I said earlier. | 18:28 |
| inhand1 | ogra: thanks a lot. I got it working now. My network interface died after the DHCP. | 18:33 |
| ogra_cmpc | GrueMaster, right, its a packaging problem with the linux-ti-omap kernel | 18:37 |
| GrueMaster | Is it the kernel or whatever generates the netboot initrd file? | 18:39 |
| GrueMaster | The drivers are on the installed image. | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | no, its the packaging that adds files to the udeb | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | d-i uses the udeb files for adding drivers, apparently not all binaries end up in the usb-nic udeb | 18:39 |
| ogra_cmpc | so you see it inly in d-i images ... live uses the full kernel package and no udebs | 18:40 |
| GrueMaster | ah, ok. | 18:40 |
| ogra_cmpc | (as the installed os does) | 18:40 |
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| Martyn | default@node1:~$ uname -a | 21:57 |
| Martyn | Linux node1.i.smooth-stone.com 2.6.29-arm2-dirty #3 SMP PREEMPT Wed Apr 28 15:43:38 CDT 2010 armv7l GNU/Linux | 21:57 |
| Martyn | default@node1:~$ more /proc/meminfo | 21:57 |
| Martyn | MemTotal: 996036 kB | 21:57 |
| Martyn | MemFree: 911756 kB | 21:57 |
| Martyn | WOOHOO | 21:57 |
| Martyn | got the tegra2 at what is pretty much max memory | 21:57 |
| Martyn | default@node1:~$ more /proc/cmdline | 21:57 |
| Martyn | mem=480M@0M mem=512M@512M nvmem=32M@480M vmalloc=32M video=tegrafb console=ttyS0,115200n8 console=tty0 usbcore.old_scheme_first=1 root=/dev/nfs nfsroot=172.17.28.140:/opt/nfsroot/node1 rw ip=:::::usb0:dhcp | 21:57 |
| lool | wee | 21:58 |
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