[00:00] TheMuso, robert_ancell Eastern Edition? [00:00] Sure. [00:00] RAOF should be around, but is not. [00:00] probably connectivity issues [00:01] rickspencer3, sure [00:01] ;) [00:01] so the meeting is short [00:01] 1. do ISO testing [00:01] 2. get SRUs ready [00:01] for #2 you should be working closely with pitti [00:01] 3. register your attendance for UDS [00:01] 4. your blueprints should be registered [00:01] start working on summaries [00:01] * TheMuso has done 3 and 4. [00:01] we'll get them registered next week [00:02] thanks TheMuso [00:02] TheMuso, robert_ancell how is the release looking to you guys? [00:02] anything make you think we may need a respin or such? [00:02] Fine from an audio standpoint. [00:02] seems stable to me now [00:02] nice [00:03] hey robert_ancell, can I ask you a totally unrelated question? [00:03] yes [00:03] if I wanted to get a list in Python of attached video devices ... [00:04] like "/dev/video0" - "/dev/video64" [00:04] how might I go about that? [00:04] does the api you used for the webcam not do that? [00:04] short answer: I don't know of a v4l api in Python [00:04] ah [00:04] pygame has their own c class [00:04] which basically loops through all the possible names and sees if there is something there [00:05] quick and dirty :) [00:05] I'll poke at v4l and v4l2 [00:05] right, I don't mind if the library I use does that, I just don't want to do it myself ;) [00:06] hmm [00:06] Good morning all, *again* [00:06] Hey RAOF. [00:06] I wasn't expecting to start the day with a little impromptu network debugging. [00:07] heh we thought that might have been the issue. [00:07] Sorry about that. [00:07] hi RAOF [00:07] here's the meeting again [00:07] 1. do ISO testing [00:07] 2. get SRUs ready [00:07] for #2 you should be working closely with pitti [00:07] 3. register your attendance for UDS [00:07] 4. your blueprints should be registered [00:07] start working on summaries [00:08] Ok. And by “summaries” here, we mean the wiki page associated to the blueprint, right? [00:08] RAOF, no [00:08] those are "specs" [00:08] hold on [00:08] let me get you guys a tad more [00:09] here's all of our accepted blueprints so far: [00:09] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m?searchtext=desktop-maverick [00:10] go to one, and click on "change details" [00:10] there is a summary section [00:10] put in everything there that you think is needed for a good discussion [00:10] if you don't see one on the list, let me know and we'll fix that [00:12] Ok. [00:13] And that's all the meeting? :) [00:14] RAOF, yes [00:14] RAOF, if you are unsure of what to be working on ... [00:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ISO [00:15] test test test [00:15] :) [00:24] is anyone aware of any grave bugs for audio CD burning on lucid? [00:25] No [00:25] jcastro, what's the bug #? [00:25] I don't know, but I just spent an hour trying to burn a CD on my fiancee's computer [00:25] can you tell me what you tried so I can try to repro it? [00:25] and it goes through the process, but ejects the CD, says there was an error, but the log from brasero doesn't explain much [00:26] yeah, make an audio project [00:26] ok [00:26] add an mp3, and then burn to CD. It then transcodes it, then makes some file in /tmp that it tries to burn to CD [00:26] let me get the log [00:26] jcastro: does it work if you burn to .iso? [00:27] that might narrow it down if it is "interact with hardware issue" or not [00:27] just 1 mp3? [00:27] Audio CDs cannot be made into an iso [00:27] oh doh [00:27] :) [00:27] You can make them into cd files with a .toc file via cdrdao, but thats all. [00:27] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/423633/ [00:27] is all the log says [00:27] rickspencer3, yes, just one mp3 [00:28] just click "burn"? [00:28] yep [00:28] it's creating an image ? [00:28] I don't have a burner in this laptop or I would try it out too [00:28] yep [00:28] jcastro, I must have done it wrong [00:30] uh [00:30] it really didn't seem to work for me [00:30] also, I found out that if you don't have the right gstreamer plugins installed it gives you an ugly error [00:30] similar to this: https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/brasero/+question/96269 [00:31] but that's a seperate problem [00:31] rickspencer3, burning didn't work for you or reproducing the problem didn't work for you? [00:31] Hrm what tool does it use to create the audio CD? The only program that can create an audio cd image is cdrdao. [00:32] jcastro, I think I didn't create an audio project [00:32] it transcoded, now says "Burning Audio CD" and "starting to record" [00:32] TheMuso: It looks like "wodim" creates audio projects [00:32] Nafai: Right, still can't do audio cd images though. [00:32] jcastro, is this what happened to you? [00:32] rickspencer3, right, for me after that it just ejected and gave me an error [00:32] and then there's a button to export the log [00:33] it says writing track 1 [00:33] TheMuso: Ah, images [00:33] jcastro, did you get this far? [00:33] yeah [00:34] is it actually burning yet? Like the light on in the drive? [00:34] sounds like it [00:34] I never got to that point, it transcoded, wrote to a file, and then ejected. [00:34] Finalizing [00:35] it's like it tried but gave up, and the next time I put the CD in it thinks X amount of minutes are taken up [00:35] so it's like, allocating the space or something but nothing gets burned on there [00:35] it says it was succesful [00:36] TheMuso: It looks like cdrdao is a suggests for brasero [00:36] Nafai: ah ok [00:36] jcastro, worked for me [00:36] Nafai: its probably a generic string that is displayed regardless of media type [00:36] * rickspencer3 rocks out to mow. [00:36] sigh [00:36] TheMuso: Probably [00:37] jcastro, could you please log a bug asap? [00:37] let's have pitti take a look tomorrow [00:37] could you assign to canonical-desktop-team [00:37] and make it High? [00:39] actually, the band is "moe." [00:39] for the record [00:45] rickspencer3, dinner and then I'll investigate further [00:45] thx jcastro [00:57] rickspencer3, aha! I screencasted it. Just need to wait for the atom cpu on it to encode. [00:57] My solution to every problem now is to recordmydesktop! [00:59] lol [01:00] We could do with more of those for X bugs! [01:05] RAOF, but if X doesn't work how do I record? [01:05] flipcam time in that case I suppose [01:05] jcastro: It wouldn't be for “X doesn't work” bugs; it'd be for “$THING doesn't look right” bugs. Graphical corruption and the like. [01:05] ah [01:06] “X doesn't work” *generally* has reasonable logs. [01:41] RAOF, yeah if the bug reporter thinks to include them ;-) [01:53] RAOF, any chance you can take a crack at jcastro's bug? [01:53] the cd burning one? [01:53] The only CD burner I have available is on the Mac next to me, which is still running OS X. [01:54] Hm. On the other hand, ISO testing, and I *did* say that I'd install Ubuntu for Sam… [02:09] hehe [02:09] RAOF, are you about to sacrifice the happiness of your marriage to test jcastro's bug? [02:11] She *has* been asking me to install Ubuntu, and it's the RC of an LTS release… what could *possibly* go wrong? :) [02:11] lol [02:12] hehe [02:12] this sounds like some bad news [02:12] oops [02:12] gotsa split for a while [02:12] bbl [03:19] * RAOF wonders whether high usb activity will bring down his wireless again. [03:22] RAOF: Either that sounds like drivers that get affected by CPU usage, or you are using USB wireless. :p [03:23] iwlwifi seems to be high CPU usage affected. [03:24] Actually, the music dropped out for a while, too, so maybe it was interrupts being delayed. [03:24] Or maybe it was a perfect storm of memory pressure, cpu usage, and interrupts :) [03:37] heh [04:52] The osx partition editor is surprisingly bad at telling you what's happening :( [04:54] it's OS X [04:55] OS X has PerilSensitiveKit between the system and the user [04:56] It normally seems a bit better at telling you what's happening than “modifying partition map” with an unprogress-throbber for 30 minutes. [04:56] Operation: test burning audio cd may have to wait. [05:01] I would be happier if Disk Utility in OSX allowed one to see the EFI partition, even with enabling an advanced mode. A partition editor not showing partitions that are on the disk is bad IMO. === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [05:53] Good morning [05:54] rickspencer3: still there? [05:58] hi pitti [05:58] getting ready for bed [05:58] 'sup? [05:59] rickspencer3: oh, I read scrollback and you had a question how to figure out video devices in Python [05:59] pitti, yeah! [05:59] rickspencer3: but I guess it's not that urgent :) [05:59] I looked at udevadm [05:59] but it kicked my ass [06:00] I want to enumerate the video cameras/web cams connected to a computer [06:00] pitti, thoughts? [06:00] rickspencer3: two approaches [06:00] 1) rely on sane udev rules [06:01] then you can just enumerate /dev/v4l/by-id/* [06:01] 2) use python-gudev [06:01] I saw that in the in /dev/v4l [06:01] then you can enumerate all devices and check for the "video" subsystem [06:02] hmm [06:02] python-gudev sounds promising [06:02] http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/gudev/GUdevClient.html#g-udev-client-query-by-subsystem [06:02] sweet! [06:02] that's the C API (but the Python API matches that 1:1) [06:02] rickspencer3: please note that python-gudev is still fairly new [06:03] i. e. it might not exist on other distros at all, and Ubuntu only has it since lucid [06:03] pitti, for #1, are you suggesting I basically ls /dev/v4l/by-id [06:03] i. e. it might not exist on other distros at all, and Ubuntu only has it since lucid [06:03] not a problem, I'm making a quidget, so it can just depend on that [06:03] rickspencer3: #1> yes (but with listdir()) [06:04] right, I meant in a python way [06:04] rickspencer3: the nice thing about python-gudev is that you get trivial hotplug support [06:04] pitti, you mean l can connect to an event? [06:04] get notified when a new device is added? [06:05] right, or removed [06:05] client.connect("uevent", on_uevent) [06:05] def on_uevent(client, action, device): [06:06] device -> http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/gudev/GUdevDevice.html object [06:06] oh nice [06:06] i. e. device.get_devtype(), device.get_device_file(), etc. [06:06] so the quidget can do set_state_gst.NULL) or whatever if something gets pulled out [06:06] rickspencer3: and for coldplug you use client.query_by_subsystem("video") [06:06] very nice [06:07] I presume it has nicely formatted vendor and device descriptor strings? [06:07] gudev itself is already great, and with the python wrapping it's a piece of cake [06:07] nice [06:07] rickspencer3: depends on the hardware, of course :) [06:07] right, of course [06:07] I was thinking of adding something like [06:08] device.get_sysfs_attr('idProduct') [06:08] quickly.hardware["video"] [06:08] which makes a list of video devices [06:08] etc... [06:08] quickly.hardware["microphones"] [06:08] seems either not necessary, or easy to create with pygudev [06:08] * pitti suggests to index by subsystem [06:09] but that's a static array again and you lose hotplug [06:09] pitti, right [06:09] well, it just be convenience, and maybe not necessary [06:10] if pugdev is all one-liners anyway, then there is nothing to gain by adding on abstraction [06:10] rickspencer3: you might add a wrapper which hides the python-gudev API, of course [06:10] thanks pitti, this is perfect! [06:10] pitti, right [06:10] accept I don't like to replace one-liners with other one-liners [06:11] if it's not significantly easier, why bother? [06:11] like an existing_hw_array = quickly.hardware(['usb', 'video'], hotplug_handler) [06:11] right [06:11] but it's not that much easier, yes [06:11] and in the hotplug_handler you need to deal with the GUdevDevice object again anyway [06:12] pitti, up a bit early? [06:12] did you see jcastro was having some trouble burning an audio CD [06:12] rickspencer3: I got up at 6:30 all week already :) [06:12] I thought you want to take a look [06:12] rickspencer3: my wife gets up at 6 and goes to bed at 22:30, so I do, too [06:12] ah [06:12] rickspencer3: yeah, I saw that we earned a brasero bug [06:13] I am on your wife's schedule [06:13] pitti, well, I had him assign to the desktop team ;) [06:13] * pitti was going to wave the "unsupported!" flag until I saw that it was coming from you [06:13] braesero is unsupported? [06:13] or burning mp3 is? [06:13] rickspencer3: it's universe [06:13] oh? [06:13] and we know it has deficiencies [06:13] I thought it was installed by default [06:13] silly me [06:13] rhythmbox! rhythmbox! rhythmbox! [06:14] pool/main/b/brasero/brasero_2.30.0-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb [06:14] in any case, I thought you would want to rule out something to do with the CDs themselves [06:14] jcastro: oh, ugh; who let that in.. [06:14] oops [06:14] heh [06:14] a bit too late for a demotion I suppose ;) [06:14] ok, then the truth is in the middle [06:14] jcastro, did you try RB? [06:14] supported, but not our default [06:14] We'd want at least one image burner in main, right? [06:15] argh, sorry guys, I'm totally confused [06:15] brasero != banshee [06:15] lol [06:15] Hah! [06:15] yes indeed [06:15] I knew someone was going to do that! [06:15] that does resolve to False [06:15] sorry jcastro :) [06:15] pitti, banshee just calls brasero, but I tested it standalone as well [06:15] pitti, it's ok, I am used to the banshee persecution [06:15] jcastro, did you try RB? [06:16] I will try it now [06:17] I know I'm up too late when the European brigade is already up [06:18] Nafai, seriously [06:18] though pitti may be as productive, he is not quite a brigade [06:18] heh :) [06:18] hey guys [06:18] hey kenvandine [06:18] we're all up a bit late :P [06:19] pitti was tutoring me in some sweet Python APIs [06:19] quickly.widgets.WebCamBox ftw [06:19] cool [06:19] nice [06:19] next will be quickly.widgets.MediaPlayer [06:19] * kenvandine has been cleaning up bug reports and dupes... [06:19] * rickspencer3 is learning gstreamer [06:19] kenvandine, yeah, I saw [06:19] rickspencer3: nice APIs? [06:20] I like gstreamer. [06:20] Nafai, yeah, I was struggling to find a reliable method of getting an enumeration of attached devices [06:20] Google was not yielding the goods [06:20] but pitti helped me out [06:20] cool [06:20] RAOF, gstreamer, I think I am going to like it [06:20] but I had composing strings in a program [06:21] it reminds me of the bad old days of writing SQL strings [06:21] * rickspencer3 shudders [06:21] scary! [06:22] how sad is it that we don't have a media player widget? [06:22] I mean, c'mon! [06:22] Nafai, we'll fix this in Maverick! [06:22] indeed! [06:23] I think you'll find it surprisingly easy to write a media player wigdet. [06:23] RAOF, seems that way yes [06:23] there appears to be some default "play this video" and "play this audio" functionality [06:24] I think the bugs will be in the logic of the control buttons ;) [06:24] ok so rb doesn't work either [06:24] right clicking and selecting "burn to cd" doesn't do anything [06:24] I think it's supposed to invoke brasero right? [06:24] I've checked that the plugin is installed [06:25] dunno [06:25] the package is installed but I don't see it in the plugins dialog in rb [06:25] I presume pitti is looking at it [06:25] I've got to go to sleep [06:25] g'night all [06:26] night [06:31] pitti, ok going to bed, I'll check the bug in ~7 hours when I am back in case it's real. With my luck it's probably the whole username=jcastro conspiracy of unix. [06:31] heh [06:31] jcastro: I'll have a look at it [06:32] good night all [06:35] hrm, there might be conflicting UDS sessions I want to attend :) [06:35] Nafai: Very hard to avoid unfortunately. [06:35] yeah, that's what it looks like [07:24] hello [07:26] hey Nafai [07:26] bonjour baptistemm [07:27] bonjour pitti [07:27] * pitti is off for about an hour for some running and breakfast [08:12] good morning [08:17] Man, Lucid rocks on a MacBook 4,1 system. [08:19] Even the broadcom wireless works once you enable the driver - no network required! [08:20] RAOF: so, next up poulsbo? [08:20] Yeah. Definitely. :/ [08:21] More interestingly, there's a good chance that the h264 decoding hardware on my thinkpad (and, I believe, your thinkpad) will be working in Maverick. [08:22] what thinkpads have h264 decoding hardware? what is it? nvidia gpu? ;) [08:22] awesome [08:22] kklimonda: Got a 4th gen intel card? You've got h264 decoding hardware. [08:23] no, I have nvidia - the "lucky" g84 or g86 chipsed ;) [08:23] chipset even [08:23] Oh - are those the ones which reliably died mere months out of warranty? [08:23] yeah [08:24] Score! [08:24] When does your warranty end? :) [08:24] in like 2 months [08:24] but don't worry, it's already the third main board! [08:24] I guess you get to look forward to a… oh. [08:24] I've heard that three is a lucky number [08:25] or maybe that was 7.. [08:25] re [08:25] * pitti waves to didrocks, RAOF, lifeless and kklimonda [08:25] didrocks: how are you today? head a bit clearer? [08:25] Yo, pitti! [08:25] hey pitti [08:26] there are magnificient running trails here -- my wife picked a perfect part of the city [08:26] RAOF: how is X behaving today? :-) [08:27] pitti: I'm unaware of any showstopping craziness :) [08:27] *phew* [08:31] hai pitti [08:32] hey pitti, yeah, I'm a little bit better, thanks! Still not perfectly rested, but I hope I will be fine again soon :) [08:36] Wow! GRUB2 detects OSX and adds an option to its boot menu. It doesn't seem to work, though :) [08:38] RAOF: does nomodeset work in 10.04 in all cases? [08:39] kklimonda: It should, yes. [08:41] kklimonda: The cases where it might *not* work are where you've got some remnant /etc/modprobe.d/*.conf files explicitly setting foo.modeset=1 lying around. [08:42] * RAOF heads off to dinner. [08:49] kklimonda: it does not work for me on intel (i830), I had to use i915.modeset=0 [09:39] hey seb128, good morning. who feels responsible for compiz in your team? [09:39] hey mvo, nobody [09:39] you? ;-) [09:39] in *your team* :P [09:40] hrm, there is a new upstream version out, a bit unfortunate that we did not even get git snapshots or cherry pick fixes [09:40] i upload to the compiz PPA, I guess there is little we can do [09:42] mvo, you can try robert_ancell but I guess he will deny interest in it [09:43] he's the closer of somebody who had a look to compiz in our team with didrocks [09:43] but I don't think either of them working with upstream or having real interest in it [09:43] * didrocks nodes [09:43] salut seb128 ;) [09:43] nods* [09:44] hey didrocks [09:44] didrocks, how do you feel today? [09:44] seb128: clearly not in my best shape I can be, but a little bit better than yesterday evening, thanks :) [09:45] ok [09:45] I guess medicines are doing their work now [09:45] and you? [09:46] I'm good thanks [09:46] brb session restart [09:48] wb seb128 [09:48] pitti, hey again ;-) [09:49] I hear nothing... [09:50] hey robert_ancell, how are you? [09:50] late for you.. [09:50] hey robert_ancell [09:50] robert_ancell, how are you? [09:50] yeah, left the computer on, noticed seb128 talking about something I know nothing about... [09:50] looking forward to UDS!! [09:51] ;-) [09:51] robert_ancell, we will try to get reasonable .1 updates as sru updates before UDS [09:52] seb128, what's the policy - update to all .1s as long as they don't break anything? (which they shouldn't by definition) [09:52] robert_ancell, so if you want to work on some which are not done yet (check upload queue on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1 or vcs before) you are welcome [09:52] robert_ancell, right, as pitti put it yesterday some have bold changes, taking gdm as an example [09:53] seb128: this gdm change still gives me some trouble [09:53] it refers to bug 421292, which isn't actually fixed in .1 [09:53] Launchpad bug 421292 in gdm ""Login" button should be "Switch to" for already logged in users" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/421292 [09:54] pitti, which one is particular? the login screen behaviour change? [09:54] how does this upload queue work? Are these already done by people and just need sponsoring? [09:54] robert_ancell, it's the same as normal upload, targetted to lucid-proposed and they don't go through [09:55] robert_ancell, ie things go in the queue rather than being accepted in an automatic way [09:55] seb128, so, I should look at the queued items and sponsor? Or add new items to the queue? [09:57] robert_ancell, which queue? [09:57]