| godbyk | Okay, everyone. I'm setting the manual up on the publishing site and I need a list of keywords (for search purposes). Feel free to just toss out whatever you can think of. | 00:06 |
|---|---|---|
| godbyk | I swiped the ones daker put on the website and added a couple: Ubuntu Manual, Ubuntu, lucid, lynx, 10.04, lucid lynx, help, documentation, book, pdf, ebook, free, open source | 00:09 |
| ChrisWoollard | user guide | 00:13 |
| godbyk | ooh, good one! | 00:16 |
| humphreybc | hi all | 00:17 |
| humphreybc | so what should I do, ship to popey? | 00:17 |
| ChrisWoollard | handbook | 00:18 |
| godbyk | That's entirely up to you. | 00:18 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: heh "more from the Ubuntu Manual Team:" "Shiny Happy Users" | 00:18 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: lovely. | 00:19 |
| godbyk | I s'pose since I published both of them or something. | 00:19 |
| humphreybc | heh | 00:20 |
| humphreybc | ChrisWoollard: you live in the UK right? | 00:20 |
| ChrisWoollard | yes | 00:20 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: don't order yet. | 00:21 |
| godbyk | let me double-check a couple things. | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | could you please PM me your address, just so I can plug it in to the cart and see how much shipping in the UK will be? | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | I'm not ordering yet | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | just seeing how much it will cost me for more than one :) | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | I'll get popey's address later, he'll be asleep now | 00:21 |
| ChrisWoollard | as in postal | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | ChrisWoollard: yep that would be good | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | don't worry I'm not going to send anything to you! | 00:21 |
| humphreybc | I just need a UK address to get to the next checkout screen so I can see prices | 00:22 |
| godbyk | interesting: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/ubuntu-desktop-course---student-guide/5968838?productTrackingContext=product_view/related_items/left/1 | 00:22 |
| ChrisWoollard | sent | 00:22 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: 60 bucks! | 00:23 |
| humphreybc | holy moses shipping is expensive | 00:24 |
| humphreybc | christ I don't even know if I can afford it | 00:24 |
| humphreybc | $48.65 USD for expedited | 00:24 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yeah, that's why you're not ordering yet. | 00:25 |
| humphreybc | is something going to change? | 00:25 |
| godbyk | I need to make sure that's not the only-printed-in-the-US version. | 00:25 |
| godbyk | bear with me.. lulu is making things more difficult for me than they should. :) | 00:25 |
| godbyk | I have to unpublish this book and go through the whole process again to fix the license. | 00:26 |
| godbyk | stupid lulu | 00:26 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yeah, the cheap-paper edition I linked you to is printed in the US only. | 00:27 |
| godbyk | give me a couple minutes to fix up the real book and we'll see how cheap it is for you to ship | 00:27 |
| humphreybc | I thought cheap paper was also printed in the UK? | 00:27 |
| godbyk | https://support.lulu.com/View.jsp?procId=e54777c589bdded765014fd54d4b9175&authToken=4164df01beab240156676552dfc16d57&forceLogout=true&locale=en_US | 00:28 |
| godbyk | it only ships from the US, it says. | 00:28 |
| humphreybc | much, much cheaper to ship that book to the US | 00:29 |
| humphreybc | I plugged in Martin's address in Boston and it's given me $10 for expedited | 00:29 |
| humphreybc | maybe i should just ship it to Martin, but faster | 00:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | Anyway. I am tired. It is late. Again.... And I need to work tomorrow. Night all. | 00:31 |
| godbyk | G'night, ChrisWoollard. | 00:31 |
| ChrisWoollard | Humphreybc: Feel free to sendme stuff ;) | 00:31 |
| humphreybc | WHY DO THEY GET ME TO ENTER IN MY CC DETAILS BEFORE SHOWING ME THE TOTAL COST | 00:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | Hmmm. Maybe I will end up with free stuff then..... | 00:33 |
| humphreybc | so it's gonna cost me $44 to get two copies to Martin in Boston, or it would be about $65 to get two copies to Alan in the UK | 00:33 |
| humphreybc | that's NZD | 00:33 |
| * humphreybc thinks Mark should just buy me a copy of my own dang book | 00:34 | |
| godbyk | What's it in USD? | 00:34 |
| humphreybc | 32 | 00:35 |
| humphreybc | 32 USD = 44 NZD apparently | 00:36 |
| godbyk | well, that's not so bad for two copies shipped super-quickly. | 00:37 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 00:37 |
| humphreybc | that's to the US | 00:37 |
| humphreybc | so are you re-uploading? | 00:37 |
| godbyk | I think those to links should be okay now. | 00:38 |
| humphreybc | could you link it again, just to make sure | 00:38 |
| godbyk | It wasn't the PDF that was the problem, it was the metadata (specifically, the license was set to a standard copyright instead of the CC license). | 00:38 |
| godbyk | I PMed the links to you. | 00:39 |
| humphreybc | huh? | 00:39 |
| godbyk | gah. | 00:39 |
| humphreybc | I got that email | 00:39 |
| godbyk | I sent them to humphreybc1, apparently. | 00:39 |
| humphreybc | is that what you mean? | 00:39 |
| humphreybc | oh | 00:39 |
| humphreybc | heh | 00:39 |
| godbyk | just a sec | 00:39 |
| humphreybc | no, i'm humphreybc :P | 00:39 |
| godbyk | did you get them this time? | 00:40 |
| humphreybc | yep | 00:40 |
| godbyk | Here are PDFs of that Ubuntu Desktop Guide that's on lulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training/PDFs | 00:47 |
| humphreybc | yeah, i've seen them before | 00:48 |
| humphreybc | they're old and boring | 00:48 |
| godbyk | ah | 00:48 |
| humphreybc | HOLY CRAP BATMAN!!! LESS THAN 24 HOURS TILL RELEASE | 01:26 |
| happyaron | godbyk: ping | 04:23 |
| godbyk | happyaron: pong | 04:23 |
| happyaron | godbyk: I just asked people in my team, they suggest wqy-microhei for titles, ukai for text in zh_CN | 04:23 |
| happyaron | godbyk: and prefer to have these fonts embeded to PDF file | 04:24 |
| godbyk | Cool. I'll use those, then. | 04:24 |
| godbyk | The fonts will be embedded in the PDF. | 04:24 |
| happyaron | godbyk: wqy-micorhei can be found here http://sourceforge.net/projects/wqy/files/ | 04:26 |
| happyaron | godbyk: we prefer to use the latest microhei release because it's still under development | 04:27 |
| godbyk | Okay, I'll be sure to grab it from sourceforge then. | 04:27 |
| happyaron | godbyk: and for ukai, it's available in ubuntu's repository | 04:28 |
| godbyk | And the version of Ukai from the repositories is okay to use? | 04:28 |
| godbyk | Or should I download a later version from someplace? | 04:28 |
| happyaron | godbyk: ttf-arphic-ukai package is okay | 04:29 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 04:30 |
| happyaron | godbyk: for English fonts, up to your choice, heh | 04:30 |
| godbyk | Fair enough. :) | 04:31 |
| happyaron | ：） | 04:33 |
| happyaron | another question, which series we should translate, e1 or e2? | 04:44 |
| godbyk | happyaron: Well, e1 is in a string freeze, so it's stable to translate. | 04:44 |
| godbyk | We're going to start editing e2 next week, so the strings will be changing out from under you all the time. | 04:45 |
| godbyk | You're welcome to translate whichever you prefer, but with e2 you risk having to translate the same paragraph repeatedly as it's edited. | 04:45 |
| happyaron | godbyk: then when will e2 be string freeze? | 04:46 |
| godbyk | Let me look. | 04:46 |
| nisshh | godbyk: are we having a meeting about e2 this week or next week? | 04:46 |
| nisshh | happyaron: i think e2 will hit string freeze around about june/july | 04:46 |
| nisshh | most likely june | 04:47 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I don't see a specific date right off. I think we're planning to release e2 on July 29. | 04:47 |
| happyaron | ok, thx | 04:47 |
| godbyk | The string freeze for Maverick will be on August 20. And the release for Maverick will be Oct 29. | 04:48 |
| happyaron | oh | 04:48 |
| humphreybc | we're actually cutting it quite close to fit two releases into one cycle | 04:48 |
| happyaron | in fact, we still haven't had an plan for Maverick | 04:48 |
| godbyk | I think most of the e2 changes will be bug fixes we didn't have time to get to in e1. | 04:49 |
| happyaron | for Lucid it's a LTS version, so we'd like to have a good one for it first | 04:49 |
| godbyk | So it may be best to translate e1 and then skip e2 and translate Maverick. I'm not really sure. | 04:49 |
| godbyk | Right. | 04:49 |
| nisshh | so we arent planning on adding in sections like wubi and ubuntu one for e2? | 04:50 |
| godbyk | I don't know what all is going into e2. | 04:50 |
| godbyk | I haven't put any thought into it yet. I've been focused solely on e1 lately. :-) | 04:50 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: should we have a meeting soon about e2? | 04:51 |
| godbyk | If someone writes the content for wubi and ubuntu one, we could add it. | 04:51 |
| nisshh | godbyk: yea, so have we all | 04:51 |
| humphreybc | don't look at me! | 04:51 |
| nisshh | hmmm, well id like to do some more work on the glossary and my chapter | 04:51 |
| nisshh | for e2 of course :) | 04:52 |
| humphreybc | i think we should gather some data and feedback on this release before we have a meeting to decide what to stick in e2 | 04:52 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: so survey? | 04:52 |
| humphreybc | so then we can make informed decisions at the meeting :) | 04:52 |
| humphreybc | yeah, survey, download stats, ra ra ra | 04:52 |
| nisshh | yea, good point | 04:52 |
| nisshh | ill have a think about some questions we need to ask then | 04:52 |
| * nisshh is thinking alot, then going to college soon! | 04:54 | |
| humphreybc | godbyk: how are the german and galician PDFs coming along? | 04:59 |
| godbyk | Galician compiled without any problems. | 04:59 |
| humphreybc | nice | 04:59 |
| godbyk | (We also have to make sure the screenshots are all set.) | 04:59 |
| humphreybc | stick it somewhere so we can see | 04:59 |
| godbyk | The German one hates me and I'm trying to figure out why. | 04:59 |
| * happyaron sorry, a question, how to submit screenshots | 05:00 | |
| godbyk | humphreybc: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-gl.pdf | 05:00 |
| * happyaron didn't see any instruction | 05:01 | |
| godbyk | When you have no screenshots, the manual is only 773 Kb. :) | 05:01 |
| godbyk | happyaron: We're using a program called Quickshot to take the screenshots. | 05:01 |
| humphreybc | happyaron: http://ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot | 05:01 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: howcome there are no screenshots in Galician? yet to add them in? | 05:01 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: right. because they're not in the lucid-e1 branch yet. | 05:02 |
| happyaron | humphreybc: and it will upload automatically? | 05:02 |
| godbyk | happyaron: Yes, Quickshot will upload the screenshots automatically. | 05:02 |
| humphreybc | happyaron: yup. We wrote it to make it awesome. | 05:02 |
| happyaron | good | 05:02 |
| happyaron | yes | 05:02 |
| humphreybc | godbyk: wow, the title page looks shit | 05:02 |
| humphreybc | just the text | 05:02 |
| humphreybc | "Comezar con Ubuntu 10.04" | 05:02 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yeah, 'cause I'm on karmic. | 05:03 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: and inkscape on karmic sucks. | 05:03 |
| humphreybc | ah, okay | 05:03 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: it looks a lot nicer when I compile under lucid. | 05:03 |
| humphreybc | that is so awesome how it's in Galician. | 05:03 |
| * humphreybc is beaming | 05:03 | |
| humphreybc | get the screenshots in there and compile it under lucid so it looks even better! | 05:04 |
| godbyk | I have to wait for one of the quickshot guys to do the screenshot stuff. | 05:04 |
| godbyk | I'm going to see if I can get the German one to work. | 05:04 |
| humphreybc | nice | 05:04 |
| godbyk | It's complaining about \acronym{OS~X}. The tilde is getting mangled somehow. | 05:04 |
| humphreybc | Nice, my tweet calling for more followers to reach our 500 followers target on twitter has been re-tweeted 14 times in an hour | 05:13 |
| humphreybc | we've got 480 followers now | 05:14 |
| godbyk | Weird.. the listings package is causing the problem. | 05:20 |
| godbyk | We're not using it right now, so it's not a real problem.. | 05:21 |
| godbyk | but I'm going to spend some time investigating it at some point to see what's up. | 05:21 |
| humphreybc | http://www.facebook.com/events/edit/index.php?eid=116659145028256&step=1#!/event.php?eid=116659145028256 | 05:29 |
| humphreybc | I presume when the real website replaces the countdown timer, the nav bar will gain the "Downloads" entry? | 05:30 |
| humphreybc | Or are we not going to use "Downloads" yet since we only have one version | 05:30 |
| godbyk | okay, the countdown is not magical. | 05:31 |
| godbyk | it has no function other than counting down. | 05:31 |
| humphreybc | huh? | 05:31 |
| humphreybc | lol yes | 05:32 |
| godbyk | nothing will happen automatically. | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | i know | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | :) | 05:32 |
| godbyk | okay. | 05:32 |
| godbyk | just making sure. :) | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | but when it reaches zero we need to have some l33t timing | 05:32 |
| godbyk | Well, it'll hit 0 for you before it hits 0 for me. | 05:32 |
| godbyk | So the countdown is kinda silly. | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | this is true | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | hmm | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | oh well | 05:33 |
| humphreybc | when it hits zero for me, we should switch it.. coz i'm +12 so i'll be one of the first people for it to hit zero | 05:33 |
| humphreybc | if that makes sense | 05:33 |
| godbyk | Hey, IlyaHaykinson_. How's it going? | 07:16 |
| * IlyaHaykinson_ waves to godbyk | 07:18 | |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | good | 07:18 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | busy :| | 07:18 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | meeting with my HCI friend on Thu | 07:18 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | re the research project | 07:19 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | how's the lulu thing? | 07:19 |
| godbyk | cool | 07:19 |
| godbyk | I think I've got Lulu ready to go. | 07:19 |
| godbyk | Everything's uploaded. | 07:19 |
| godbyk | humphreybc even ordered a couple copies for himself already. | 07:19 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | way cool | 07:19 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | send me a link, so will I | 07:19 |
| godbyk | I'm just waiting a day before I make the catalog entry public. | 07:19 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | heh. at one point, lulu had sued my company. | 07:21 |
| godbyk | Oh yeah? Over what? | 07:21 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | naming | 07:21 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | i work at Hulu | 07:21 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | ;) | 07:21 |
| godbyk | Ha! | 07:22 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | but, well, we settled that amicably | 07:22 |
| godbyk | That's good to hear. | 07:22 |
| godbyk | I'm currently going through the German translation and fixing all the little LaTeX-related typos (so it compiles cleanly). | 07:23 |
| godbyk | It's mindless, and a bit boring. | 07:23 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson_: Have you put any thought into what we should try to get done for the second edition? | 07:24 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | is there any way, on the landing page at lulu, to make the title page screenshot have a black border? | 07:24 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | right now it blends into the page | 07:24 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | re lucid-e2, not too much thought beyond the email that i had sent before. but, to some degree, i think some of the research work should help with that. | 07:25 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | i think we certainly have bugs in the manual -- those are easy enough to fix. | 07:25 |
| godbyk | I don't think so. It generates that from the wrap-around cover that we upload. | 07:25 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | we also have serious holes in content (things we gloss over, things we omit when we shouldn't by any means) | 07:26 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I agree with that. | 07:27 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | so i figure mainly it's about "getting to 100%" with what we have | 07:27 |
| godbyk | That's pretty much what I had in mind, too. | 07:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | moring all | 07:28 |
| * IlyaHaykinson_ waves to ubuntujenkins | 07:28 | |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | though i think you meant "morning", not "moring" | 07:29 |
| godbyk | I'd also like to flesh out the index and glossary. | 07:29 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | unless that's a cross between morning and boring | 07:29 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | ? | 07:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | lol i meant morning | 07:29 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | godbyk: yes. i think those are components of "100%" for sure | 07:29 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | ooh. | 07:30 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | hm, i just realized one thing missing from the manual (unless i misremember) | 07:30 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | is a URL to download a copy | 07:30 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson_: Check the copyright page. | 07:30 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | i.e. is http://www.ubuntu-manual.org anywhere in the manual? | 07:30 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | oh. | 07:30 |
| godbyk | I just added some text to the copyright pages earlier today. | 07:31 |
| godbyk | http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/copyright-screen.pdf | 07:31 |
| godbyk | http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/copyright-print.pdf | 07:31 |
| godbyk | (I removed the spurious comma after 'and'.) | 07:31 |
| godbyk | There's also a half-title page for the book version and a colophon for both (which lists the typefaces and software we used). | 07:32 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | way to go! | 07:32 |
| godbyk | Here's the print version of the PDF: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/manuals/getting-started-with-ubuntu/10.04/en_US/print/Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04.pdf | 07:34 |
| godbyk | (with the spaces, you'll have to make it a url yourself. :-)) | 07:34 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | hm, interesting. the "Getting Started with OpenOffice.org 3.x" is 442 pages long | 07:35 |
| godbyk | Yeah, there's also a $60 Ubuntu Desktop Course book. | 07:36 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | the OO.o book is CC-licensed though | 07:37 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | and thus we can reuse content from it | 07:37 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | if we wanted to. | 07:37 |
| godbyk | Cool. | 07:37 |
| godbyk | So's the one I pointed out. | 07:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: which screenshots do you want as a prority? | 07:38 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: Hmm.. we should probably just take them in the same order as the translations progress. | 07:38 |
| godbyk | So German and Galician are the top two right now, I think. | 07:39 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | oh. are there any ways to clarify the license on lulu? | 07:39 |
| godbyk | The Galician manual compiles okay (sans screenshots). The German one has a slew of bugs I'm trying to fix. | 07:39 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | right now it says "standard copyright license" at the bottom | 07:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | have you uploaded to google? | 07:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | *hulu | 07:39 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | lulu | 07:39 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson_: Yeah, that's in error. | 07:39 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson_: I manually specified the license as CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported (because they only had old 2.0 CC licenses). | 07:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | cononical have chnaged the home page AGAIN | 07:40 |
| godbyk | IlyaHaykinson_: And I think since it was a 'custom' license, it uses that standard copyright entry or something silly | 07:40 |
| godbyk | I may have to email them about it. | 07:40 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | godbyk: i see. | 07:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: can you please remove 04-bluetooth-left-click@es@1272023452.png from the server | 07:49 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: done | 07:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks | 07:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | and this one please godbyk 08-display-properties-confirm@es@1270464688.png | 07:52 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: done | 07:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | all of the screenshots so far can be found https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots | 07:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | everything s uptodate with all people have taken | 07:53 |
| godbyk | cool | 07:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | I know the glacien ones are being finished today | 07:56 |
| godbyk | Awesome. | 07:57 |
| godbyk | I think there's only a couple Galician and a couple German ones left. | 07:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | both the harder ones | 07:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: have you uploaded to lulu? | 07:59 |
| godbyk | Yep. | 08:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | dam new start page is http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/03-ubuntu-start-firefox@gl@1272368086.png | 08:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will fix it in all the screenshots this afternoon. I have lectures most of the morning | 08:01 |
| godbyk | There's a different start page now, too? | 08:01 |
| godbyk | Yay. | 08:01 |
| godbyk | They should, I dunno, STOP TOUCHING THINGS! | 08:01 |
| godbyk | :) | 08:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I shouted about it 10 minutes ago and i agree STOP TOUCHING THINGS | 08:02 |
| godbyk | Don't they know we're trying to work here? | 08:04 |
| godbyk | Hey, thorwil. lulu didn't complain about your cover at all, so I'm assuming it's all good. :) | 08:14 |
| thorwil | godbyk: hi, cool | 08:15 |
| thorwil | oh wow, "progress" on the logo front: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=diff&rev1=50&rev2=51 | 08:24 |
| godbyk | lol | 08:24 |
| godbyk | nice | 08:24 |
| godbyk | They're a day late and a dollar short for this release, though. :) | 08:25 |
| thorwil | godbyk: if i though they would really think about it, i would have to be insulated by the insistence to not hand out that one asset to me before the guidelines are done. like i rape it somehow | 08:27 |
| thorwil | like i would, even | 08:27 |
| godbyk | Yeah, I doubt they're giving our project any thought at the moment. | 08:28 |
| * popey waves | 08:41 | |
| ubuntujenkins | hello popey | 08:41 |
| IlyaHaykinson_ | alright, l8r folks | 08:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | bye IlyaHaykinson_ | 08:43 |
| * ubuntujenkins texlive still downloading 6gb and 32 hours so far | 08:46 | |
| ubuntujenkins | I am suprised my laptop has stayed usable for this long | 08:49 |
| * ubuntujenkins runs to lectures | 08:49 | |
| humphreybc | okay, what's happening team? | 09:30 |
| godbyk | nothing much | 09:31 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, screenshots in the Galician manual? | 09:32 |
| godbyk | I haven't done anything with screenshots yet. | 09:32 |
| humphreybc | what have you done? :P | 09:32 |
| godbyk | I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's done, either. :) | 09:32 |
| humphreybc | 511 followers on twitter now | 09:32 |
| godbyk | Well, I spent a good deal of time fixing all but two of the bugs in the German translation. | 09:32 |
| godbyk | I have to do a bit of research to solve the last couple. | 09:33 |
| godbyk | What've you been up to? :) | 09:33 |
| godbyk | cool | 09:33 |
| humphreybc | went and got fish and chips, ate those with flatmates, had some beers, played some XBOX and started watching Pulp Fiction | 09:33 |
| godbyk | sounds like you're not getting much work done. :-P | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | to be totally honest, there doesn't appear to be much work to do | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | well, i suppose I could start adding stuff to e2 but... meh. later | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | :P | 09:34 |
| godbyk | you could start making a list of things we need to add to e2. | 09:34 |
| humphreybc | I could, yes | 09:35 |
| godbyk | also someone needs to go through the bug spreadsheet and bring it up to date so we know what's left to fix in e2. | 09:35 |
| humphreybc | yea | 09:35 |
| humphreybc | bah! | 09:35 |
| godbyk | There's always plenty of work to do. :-) | 09:35 |
| humphreybc | i know i know | 09:35 |
| nisshh | humphreybc: what? your running out of work to do on the manual?? Is that possible?? | 09:43 |
| humphreybc | nisshh: just for this release | 09:44 |
| humphreybc | everything is in the hands of godbyk and daker now, i'm afraid | 09:44 |
| nisshh | yea | 09:44 |
| godbyk | I think all my work is done. | 09:44 |
| godbyk | Lulu is ready. I just have to make it public. | 09:45 |
| humphreybc | fun | 09:45 |
| humphreybc | so where's daker? | 09:45 |
| godbyk | The PDFs have been uploaded to the website. Daker just needs to get the download stuff going. | 09:45 |
| nisshh | meh, pity im broke otherwise id order a cpy too | 09:45 |
| nisshh | cop* | 09:45 |
| godbyk | I'll try to help Daker if he needs it, but I haven't seen him and I don't know what he's up to. | 09:45 |
| nisshh | copy* | 09:45 |
| * popey pokes humphreybc | 10:44 | |
| popey | Dude! Where's my podcast? | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | hi popey | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | No idea! | 10:44 |
| popey | :( | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | Joey had a girl around last night | 10:44 |
| popey | O RLY? | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | hence couldn't edit it or something | 10:44 |
| popey | your mum? | 10:44 |
| popey | ho ho ho | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | yeah, i made sure everyone knew | 10:44 |
| popey | me so funny | 10:44 |
| humphreybc | HA! what a young joke :P | 10:45 |
| popey | lol | 10:45 |
| humphreybc | so i dunno, he's got a doctors appointment this morning and then he'll be back soon i guess | 10:45 |
| popey | in other news, ordered a T-shirt yet? :) | 10:45 |
| humphreybc | nope, i have not! Kinda hoping Jono would just bring like, 500, and give them out to everyone for free | 10:45 |
| humphreybc | .. | 10:45 |
| popey | haha | 10:45 |
| popey | no, that wont happen | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | bollocks | 10:46 |
| popey | you do get special UDS t-shirts though | 10:46 |
| popey | which aren't in the store | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | will i be able to score free merchandise from UDS though? | 10:46 |
| popey | one t-shirt, yes :) | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | pens, stamps, coffee mugs, lucid CDs? | 10:46 |
| popey | and as many CDs as you can carry | 10:46 |
| popey | no | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | darn | 10:46 |
| popey | stickers too usually | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | CDs are okay | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | stickers too | 10:46 |
| humphreybc | I decided to ship the books to doctormo in Boston, it's cheaper and I think they'll make it. Thanks for your offer of looking after em for me :) | 10:47 |
| popey | last time for UDS Lucid Lynx they also brought a load of Lynx body sprays :) | 10:47 |
| popey | yeah, smart move | 10:47 |
| humphreybc | Meerkat body sprays? | 10:47 |
| humphreybc | hmm | 10:47 |
| humphreybc | maybe shaving cream | 10:47 |
| popey | well, it made sense given it was Lucid Lynx | 10:47 |
| popey | and welcome given geeks smell :) | 10:47 |
| humphreybc | haha | 10:47 |
| humphreybc | I hope Martin doesn't snore | 10:48 |
| popey | they time the t-shirts for wednesday/thursday when people start to smell most | 10:48 |
| humphreybc | Oh did Amber speak to you? | 10:48 |
| humphreybc | Hehe, well, Brussels is a lot colder than Dallas, right? | 10:48 |
| humphreybc | :P | 10:48 |
| popey | heh | 10:48 |
| humphreybc | btw, what sort of clothes should I pack? | 10:48 |
| popey | well, you're inside all the time | 10:48 |
| popey | dallas wasnt that warm | 10:49 |
| popey | http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/37?&search=brussels&itemsPerPage=10®ion=world | 10:49 |
| humphreybc | I see you're coming in on Sunday evening, I'll already be there waiting for ya in the reception! haha | 10:49 |
| popey | :D | 10:49 |
| humphreybc | I wanted to get one of them blame popey T shirts | 10:49 |
| Daviey | Dallas has too much wind! | 10:49 |
| humphreybc | but it costs an arm and a leg to ship anything to NZ | 10:49 |
| humphreybc | Brussels temp looks similar to what it's like down here | 10:50 |
| humphreybc | popey: my friend (beer connoisseur) has instructed me that I have to taste this particular beer | 10:51 |
| humphreybc | "Man, you have to try Westvleteren, the 6th and smallest of the Trappist breweries. Incredibly rare beer, 3 styles. http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm Bring me one back if you can!!!" | 10:52 |
| humphreybc | http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm | 10:52 |
| humphreybc | "The Westvleteren "Trappist" is sold exclusively at the abbey store, and only after having made a reservation by telephone " | 10:53 |
| humphreybc | a reservation!? | 10:53 |
| popey | there's way too much beer in brussels to tie yourself to one | 10:53 |
| popey | so many options, and many are great | 10:53 |
| humphreybc | I figured that | 10:53 |
| humphreybc | we'll have to do some pub crawls then | 10:53 |
| popey | http://www.tiac.net/~tjd/bier/belglist.html | 10:53 |
| humphreybc | nice! | 10:54 |
| popey | there's a few 12% in there | 10:54 |
| * humphreybc 's pub crawl might end early if he has too many of them | 10:54 | |
| popey | people tend not to crawl in .be | 10:55 |
| popey | given every bar has every beer :) | 10:55 |
| humphreybc | :O | 10:55 |
| popey | people tend to find a good spot in one bar and stay there | 10:55 |
| popey | IME | 10:55 |
| humphreybc | nice | 10:55 |
| humphreybc | should be good | 10:55 |
| humphreybc | although it's a long stumble back to the hotel | 10:55 |
| popey | trams | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | the pics of the hotel almost look as if it's out in the country? | 10:56 |
| popey | plus there is often a coach laid on | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | and do trams run all night? | 10:56 |
| popey | dunno | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | haha | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | i guess we'll find out | 10:56 |
| popey | you're excited then? :) | 10:56 |
| popey | you doing interviews for omg? | 10:57 |
| humphreybc | yeah, it should be awesome. Won't really hit home till I'm on the plane, I spose. Been a while since I've been overseas. | 10:57 |
| humphreybc | Not presently, but we might do in the future | 10:57 |
| humphreybc | we'd like to :) | 10:57 |
| popey | i meant at UDS | 10:58 |
| humphreybc | oh right | 10:58 |
| humphreybc | probably not audio ones coz I don't have the gear with me | 10:58 |
| humphreybc | if I can scavenge some gear, sure. But I'll definitely be covering it | 10:58 |
| humphreybc | we're probably going to do a couple of podcasts and a lot of blog posts, i'll be snapping pics too | 10:59 |
| humphreybc | Would have been much better if Joey came | 10:59 |
| popey | yeah, shame he cant | 10:59 |
| humphreybc | he's definitely going to come to UDS-N though | 10:59 |
| humphreybc | did Amber ping you? | 11:00 |
| popey | ya | 11:05 |
| popey | should arrange a skype call soon | 11:05 |
| ubuntujenkins | humphreybc: when you get bored can you do some quickshot mock ups please . I am trying to do the design in glade and it looks bad | 12:14 |
| thorwil | ubuntujenkins: don't ever miss with glade unless you know exactly what is supposed to go where already | 12:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | thorwil: I thought i did but it all looks so bad. works on the power point i did but not in glade. | 12:16 |
| thorwil | ubuntujenkins: how does it fail in glade? | 12:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | it looks no where near as good as i thought it would | 12:18 |
| humphreybc | heh | 12:20 |
| humphreybc | okay Luke, i'll do it next week if I have time | 12:20 |
| * humphreybc just had a rather alternative/indie style jam session with flatmates | 12:21 | |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks humphreybc also is the wwubi screenshot still in the manual? | 12:21 |
| humphreybc | nope | 12:21 |
| humphreybc | psst, everyone, popey's gone... let's have a party! | 12:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | galician screenshots complete | 12:27 |
| zleap | hi | 12:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello zleap | 12:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello sebsebseb | 12:38 |
| zleap | just joined | 12:38 |
| zleap | would the following be useful for the manual | 12:38 |
| zleap | http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.php | 12:38 |
| zleap | joe text editor command reference | 12:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | possibly to advanced for the manual at the moment. I can't remember if we mention gedit even. What would you like to help with? | 12:40 |
| sebsebseb | ubuntujenkins: I just refered zleap from #ubuntu | 12:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | thnaks sebsebseb I better join the channel and an ubunt manaul as highlighting | 12:42 |
| sebsebseb | ubuntujenkins: what was that? | 12:42 |
| zleap | not sure, when its out I will see if i can put something in, | 12:42 |
| zleap | or contribute ideas / screen shots etc | 12:42 |
| sebsebseb | really there should be a factoid in ubottu for the manual, and also that makes it clear that it's from Canonical I guess :) | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | well jussi for example could sort that out | 12:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | when i ping you your irc client flashes. when someone mentions quickshot my irc client flashes | 12:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | zleap: let me find you a link | 12:43 |
| jussi | grumble | 12:43 |
| zleap | k | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | jussi: uh I typed that wrong | 12:43 |
| sebsebseb | jussi: makes it clear, that it's not from Canonical | 12:44 |
| zleap | i have a copy here its beta, | 12:44 |
| jussi | sebsebseb: you know the drill, suggest the factoid aas norma and we will evaluate it.. | 12:44 |
| zleap | ]what does "factoid ass norma" mean? | 12:44 |
| sebsebseb | jussi: I don't bother with factoid suggestion stuff in pm with ubottu or however it's offically meant to be done. I may suggest to an op about this and that factoid at the time. Anyway I guess the manual factoid someone that ideally has contributed quite a bit to this project should come up with, so that's not me. | 12:45 |
| sebsebseb | jussi: why got rid of the 01 by the way in your IRC nick? | 12:46 |
| jussi | sebsebseb: thats the way we do factoids... | 12:46 |
| jussi | sebsebseb: My name is jussi... | 12:46 |
| jussi | ;) | 12:46 |
| sebsebseb | jussi: yes, but you had 01 in your nick as well | 12:46 |
| sebsebseb | before | 12:47 |
| jussi | sebsebseb: this nick finally became available. but its offtopic for here. moving on. | 12:47 |
| sebsebseb | !ot | 12:47 |
| manualbot | Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! | 12:47 |
| sebsebseb | jussi: yeah yeah, and I come up with that factoid suggestion for this channel :) | 12:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello sebsebseb | 12:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello semioticrobotic | 12:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry sebsebseb wrong person | 12:51 |
| sebsebseb | ubuntujenkins: np | 12:52 |
| sebsebseb | ok np | 12:52 |
| semioticrobotic | hi ubuntujenkins | 12:56 |
| semioticrobotic | how are things? | 12:56 |
| semioticrobotic | wooo! one more day! | 13:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am good semioticrobotic you? | 13:22 |
| semioticrobotic | not bad at all | 13:22 |
| semioticrobotic | looking forward to tomorrow's release | 13:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | its going to be exciting :) | 13:23 |
| semioticrobotic | I won't be able to perform an upgrade for several days (too much going on at school), but I am excited | 13:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | upgrades are always painful if stuff breaks. i like clean installs. A seperate home always help | 13:25 |
| semioticrobotic | yeah. I never do anything but a clean install | 13:25 |
| semioticrobotic | saves more time, in the long run, than upgrading and trying to tweak | 13:25 |
| semioticrobotic | this is the first time I've had to migrate keypairs, however, so I'm trying to discern th best way to do that | 13:26 |
| semioticrobotic | looks like the command line is the easiest way | 13:26 |
| semioticrobotic | given what I've read and what others have graciously told me | 13:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | you will have to tell me how you do on that keys have been a pain for me | 13:26 |
| semioticrobotic | not looking forward to it | 13:27 |
| semioticrobotic | but I'll be sure to report my success (or failure) after the install | 13:27 |
| semioticrobotic | hate to run, but a few of my students are shooting a video on he impending zombie apocalypse, and they've asked me to play a small role ... time for filming | 13:27 |
| semioticrobotic | heh | 13:28 |
| semioticrobotic | should be fun | 13:28 |
| semioticrobotic | hope you have a great day, ubuntujenkins. | 13:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | and you semioticrobotic have fun filming/acting | 13:28 |
| * ubuntujenkins omg texlive svn branch has finished, it only took 36 hours to download 7.0 GB | 13:33 | |
| ubuntujenkins | anyone good with perl? | 14:05 |
| humphreybc | ha! | 14:06 |
| humphreybc | no | 14:06 |
| humphreybc | :P | 14:06 |
| ChrisWoollard | what do you need | 14:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | don't ha I am trying to build texlive packages | 14:06 |
| ChrisWoollard | i have been know to do a little | 14:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | ChrisWoollard: I wil just paste bin some stuff | 14:07 |
| humphreybc | ubuntujenkins: really, what for? | 14:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | us! | 14:07 |
| humphreybc | for....? | 14:07 |
| ubuntujenkins | so people can use appa and not the texlive way | 14:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | ChrisWoollard: running this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/423980/ i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/423981/ this is the change log http://paste.ubuntu.com/423979/ | 14:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | ignore the first two lines even with out those there it fails the same. | 14:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | of the change log | 14:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | the strange thing is if i empty the changelog then the script works | 14:16 |
| ChrisWoollard | hmmm | 14:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry proably a bit complex for irc | 14:19 |
| ChrisWoollard | I think that makes sense | 14:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | what is it testing for in the change log file? | 14:20 |
| ChrisWoollard | if the file is empty I don't think it would parse the foreach on line 164 | 14:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | If i have an empty change log does that mean some of the script doesn't run? | 14:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | ie do i lose anything important | 14:22 |
| ChrisWoollard | i think that if the log file is empty lines 164 through to 178 wouldn't run | 14:23 |
| ChrisWoollard | I am thinking that there is probably a problem with the regex on 169 | 14:24 |
| ChrisWoollard | which is probably why it is erroring | 14:24 |
| ChrisWoollard | I do have to say that regex's are a bugger at times | 14:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | those lines don't appear to do anything at least as far as i can tell. | 14:25 |
| ChrisWoollard | not much. looks like a big of error checking | 14:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | good good thanks for looking. now i have to work out how to generate a package to test | 14:27 |
| thorwil | humphreybc, godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity . the orange is another and the geometry of the CoC has been changed. i don't intend to adjust our titlepage, as i prefer to keep internal consistency. after all, they didn't manage to keep the stuff already in lucid in snyc themselves, from what i have been told. | 14:30 |
| thorwil | gone for garden work and cycling, bbl | 14:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | It looks like it is pretty much just checking for the correct dists and that is the only real useful bit. | 14:31 |
| ChrisWoollard | but that wouldn't stop it working | 14:31 |
| ChrisWoollard | if it isn't there | 14:31 |
| ChrisWoollard | you would just have t be careful what it is run against | 14:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will probably try and get that stuff correct if these packages achive what we want. untill then i think a balnk change log is ok. thanks for you help | 14:32 |
| ChrisWoollard | np | 14:33 |
| nisshh | does anyone here use identi.ca? | 14:48 |
| dutchie | hi all | 18:30 |
| ChrisWoollard | Hello | 18:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello all | 18:49 |
| hemanth | hi ubuntujenkins :) | 18:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | just the person I have a question let me find the link | 18:50 |
| hemanth | hmm? | 18:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | hemanth: if you look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/238 and view the diff of the bottom file. Did you change that? or was it done automatically by quickly? I don't mind either way i was just interested. | 18:51 |
| hemanth | ubuntujenkins, checking it out, page still loading | 18:52 |
| hemanth | ubuntujenkins, its done by quickly, cos as you knew i was just working on the file in the bin dir | 18:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | hemanth:thats what i thought, quickly broke it. the change was wrong what version are you using? | 18:54 |
| hemanth | ubuntujenkins, now Quickly 0.4.2 | 18:55 |
| hemanth | , then it was Quickly 0.4.1 | 18:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | strange, don't worry we will just have to keep an eye on what gets changed. | 18:55 |
| hemanth | okies, what is the next thinge that is planned b4 we hit the next millstone? | 18:56 |
| ubuntujenkins | we need to get the gui design going i have made a start but. Its not going well so i have asked ben to do some mock ups. It doesn't look right in comparison with the power point i did | 18:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | feel free to set up your own branch and have ago. Thats what i have done | 18:59 |
| hemanth | ubuntujenkins, sure, sorry for the delay the notification is not working | 19:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | hemanth: no problem | 19:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | brb | 19:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: ping | 20:06 |
| godbyk-android | Hey, ubuntujenkins, I'll be with you in just a bit. Going to hop in the shower. | 20:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool godbyk-android no rush | 20:12 |
| dutchie | oh my god | 20:23 |
| dutchie | oauth does not look like fun : | 20:23 |
| dutchie | ( | 20:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | why are you looking at it? | 20:24 |
| dutchie | for the bug form | 20:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | ooo yea good luck bet its not as hard as packaging texlive | 20:24 |
| dutchie | heh | 20:25 |
| * ubuntujenkins finishes correcting all the firefox homepages again. Thanks to cononical for that job | 21:14 | |
| godbyk | Hey, ubuntujenkins. I'm back now. Sorry for the delay. Got distracted. | 21:15 |
| godbyk | Is it worth me taking the time to recompile the PDFs (for print and screen) with the new homepage? | 21:16 |
| godbyk | We've got, what, less than two hours until release? :) | 21:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | hey godbyk, I have just updated please do if we have time | 21:17 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 21:17 |
| godbyk | I guess it's nearly four hours to go. | 21:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | also can you make lucid-e1 work again i can't compile it. All of the translated screenshots are also ok | 21:17 |
| dutchie | hmm, maybe i need openid instead of oauth | 21:18 |
| dutchie | THIS IS TOO CONFUSING :( | 21:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424201/ is the error | 21:18 |
| ubuntujenkins | also I have some info on the texlive packages | 21:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | when you finish the mountain of stuff i have just suggested :) | 21:19 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: Ah, I think I added thorwil's new title pages to just my branch and not the main branch. I'll look into it. | 21:19 |
| godbyk | Heh. | 21:19 |
| godbyk | Feel free to info-dump, if you like. | 21:19 |
| godbyk | I'll be with you in about 5-10 minutes after I finish recompiling the PDFs. | 21:19 |
| godbyk | I noticed that Canonical came out with the new branding guidelines today, too. | 21:20 |
| godbyk | Too bad we needed them yesterday (literally). | 21:20 |
| dutchie | no, it's definitely oauth | 21:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | this is the most important one http://paste.ubuntu.com/424182/ and this i think tells us what is in the packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/424174/ or at least i think ( godbyk ) | 21:20 |
| * ubuntujenkins canonical can't make their mind up at all | 21:21 | |
| c7p | hello | 21:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello c7p how are you? | 21:26 |
| c7p | nice :D the translation of the manual is completed, 10.04 is released tomorrow .... it couldn't be greater :p, you ? | 21:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am good, I am enjoying the end of the day | 21:28 |
| dutchie | godbyk: have you done one last translation import? | 21:28 |
| godbyk | dutchie: who? what? just a moment. re-uploading PDFs to get ubuntujenkins's updated screenshot in | 21:28 |
| godbyk | Has anyone seen daker, btw? | 21:29 |
| godbyk | Or am I going to have to panic and relearn php in 5 minutes? | 21:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | not seen him sorry | 21:30 |
| c7p | string 206 | 21:32 |
| c7p | From left to right, these buttons \emph{close}, \emph{minimize}, and \emph{maximize} the window. | 21:32 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep what about it? | 21:33 |
| c7p | on my windows it is maximize, minimize, close | 21:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | what langauge? | 21:33 |
| c7p | greek | 21:33 |
| dutchie | stupid complicated oauth | 21:34 |
| godbyk | c7p: are you using a quickshot cd or a full lucid installation or what? | 21:34 |
| c7p | lucid installation, beta 1 | 21:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | c7p: is greek left to right or right to left | 21:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | are beta 1 | 21:35 |
| c7p | left to right | 21:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | go system > apperence choose a different theme then choose the origianal again. | 21:35 |
| c7p | yeah | 21:35 |
| c7p | the theme made things complicated | 21:35 |
| c7p | thx | 21:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | sorry how did it make it complicated | 21:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | did i mess your computer up? | 21:36 |
| c7p | no | 21:36 |
| c7p | i used the dust theme | 21:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | are ok panic over :) | 21:36 |
| c7p | and that caused the "bug" | 21:37 |
| c7p | now that i changed to the default theme, the buttons are on the right place | 21:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | yey \0/ | 21:38 |
| godbyk | lulu book updated | 21:38 |
| godbyk | uploading PDFs to our site now | 21:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: wow i didn't expect lulu as well | 21:38 |
| godbyk | I just had to upload the new PDF to their site and run through their wizard again. | 21:39 |
| godbyk | Unfortunately, each time I do that, it changes the URL (as it's a new 'revision' of the book). | 21:39 |
| godbyk | So then I have to add that new URL to the copyright page of the on-screen version. | 21:39 |
| godbyk | (I should've just left it as 'find the book at lulu.com' instead of giving the full URL) | 21:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | is it public I would like to work out the uk cost | 21:40 |
| godbyk | it's not listed in the catalog yet, but I can send you the direct link. | 21:40 |
| godbyk | one moment. | 21:40 |
| dutchie | I didn't expect that to work :( | 21:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: have you looked at ground control for hints | 21:45 |
| dutchie | ooh, good idea | 21:45 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: I'm adding those title pages to the repository. | 21:45 |
| godbyk | (It's set to ignore the .pdf files in the titlepages/ dir, so that's why they weren't added previously.) | 21:46 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: they should be in the repo now. | 21:46 |
| godbyk | let me know if you have any other problems compiling. | 21:46 |
| godbyk | I guess I'll grab the latest code for the website and see if I can make sense of it. | 21:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | thnaks godbyk compiles fine. | 21:47 |
| godbyk | great | 21:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am now going to try with the latest ubuntu packages. once i have removed texlive | 21:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | I still can't build them my self yet. but i thought i would work out what is missing before i mail the mailing list | 21:53 |
| godbyk | sounds like a plan | 21:54 |
| ubuntujenkins | its no good if its a licence issue. The read me on making them is really good but some stuff is outdated. ie it talks about scripts that don't exists | 21:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | i have another question godbyk, what lanaguge is this in http://paste.ubuntu.com/424223/ | 21:57 |
| dutchie | it's a Makefile | 21:57 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: It's a Makefile. | 21:57 |
| godbyk | So you'd run 'make target', where 'target' is one of those words that starts at the beginning of the line and ends in a colon. | 21:58 |
| godbyk | (if you use bash, just type 'make <Tab>' and it'll autocomplete to show you the possibilities) | 21:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | doh! ok this may make sense | 21:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: just found daker on facebook | 22:12 |
| godbyk | cool. is he going to come into the irc channel? | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | he should be on in the sec | 22:13 |
| godbyk | k | 22:13 |
| c7p | godbyk, the /ie and /eg abbreviations, should be translated ? (for example, /eg --(translation)-> word) | 22:13 |
| godbyk | c7p: There are two options for \ie and \eg. | 22:13 |
| godbyk | 1. You can email me the proper translations, and I'll make \ie and \eg spit out that translation (in which case you can leave the \ie and \eg commands as is). | 22:14 |
| daker | hi | 22:14 |
| godbyk | 2. You can remove the \ie and \eg commands and replace them with their translations. | 22:14 |
| godbyk | Hey, daker! | 22:14 |
| daker | what's up ? | 22:14 |
| c7p | hm let me see the .po file | 22:14 |
| godbyk | daker: I wanted to see where we were at with the website and see if you needed any help with anything. | 22:15 |
| godbyk | daker: We're going to switch off the countdown timer and use the real site in just under 3 hours (at 0000 UTC). | 22:15 |
| godbyk | So I wanted to make sure everything was ready to go. | 22:16 |
| daker | what !!!!! | 22:16 |
| daker | 3hours | 22:16 |
| godbyk | Yep. | 22:16 |
| godbyk | It'll be 29 April (UTC) then. | 22:16 |
| daker | i thought that still 13hours :) | 22:17 |
| godbyk | Ah, I'm afraid not. :) | 22:17 |
| godbyk | I've set up the database tables that you sent me. And the PDFs are uploaded. | 22:19 |
| daker | oki | 22:19 |
| godbyk | daker: If there's anything I can do to help, tell me. | 22:20 |
| godbyk | I think I've got everything on my end finished, so I'm free to help. | 22:20 |
| daker | oki thanks | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: did you look at the links on the texlive files i sent? | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | (pastebins) | 22:21 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: what? where? | 22:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | this is the most important one http://paste.ubuntu.com/424182/ and this i think tells us what is in the packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/424174/ or at least i think ( godbyk ) | 22:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | the first one is about what isn't in the packages | 22:22 |
| c7p | godbyk: i sent you an email with the translation of the abbreviations, check it when you have time. | 22:22 |
| godbyk | c7p: sure. As soon as I get it, I'll set the translations in the branch for you. You can then use \ie and \eg as-is. | 22:23 |
| c7p | godbyk, ok thank you | 22:23 |
| daker | godbyk, change the autoupdate to 5min | 22:25 |
| godbyk | daker: ok | 22:25 |
| godbyk | daker: I set it to 5 minutes. | 22:26 |
| daker | godbyk, if you change the informations in a file it will be erased when i push ? | 22:27 |
| godbyk | daker: I'm not sure I'm following. Can you rephrase the question? | 22:29 |
| * ubuntujenkins oo the channel is getting more people | 22:29 | |
| daker | just a minute, because i am reinstalling lucid from zero | 22:30 |
| daker | nrn | 22:33 |
| daker | brb | 22:33 |
| daker | godbyk, what about lulu.co link ? | 22:41 |
| godbyk | daker: I've got that. | 22:41 |
| godbyk | Just a sec and I'll send it to you | 22:41 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: So for the first link you gave me, I think all of that's okay. | 22:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | so none of the missing stuff is needed? | 22:49 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: The original problem we had was that the version of polyglossia we needed didn't work with the packaged version of XeTeX (as it wasn't new enough). | 22:50 |
| godbyk | nope. | 22:50 |
| godbyk | most of it's not really missing, just packaged different. | 22:50 |
| godbyk | differently. | 22:50 |
| godbyk | and the stuff that is missing, we're not using. | 22:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats a good sign | 22:50 |
| godbyk | Check to see that the polyglossia package is in the Ubuntu packages.. I think that may not have been in the 2007 version. I don't know if it was in 2009 now or not. | 22:51 |
| godbyk | (It's been a few months.) | 22:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will when it finishes installing | 22:52 |
| godbyk | k | 22:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: running with the latest packages i get ! LaTeX Error: File `ccicons.sty' not found. . I can't work out what version of polyglossia is in use its not in its own packages | 22:59 |
| godbyk | aha | 22:59 |
| godbyk | yeah, they didn't have ccicons packaged either. | 22:59 |
| godbyk | so that's a package that's missing. | 23:00 |
| godbyk | it's pretty new. | 23:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok how can i install just that using the script? | 23:00 |
| godbyk | if you look in the .log file, and search for polyglossia, it should tell you the version, fwiw. | 23:00 |
| godbyk | I don't think the script installs ccicons anymore. | 23:00 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: but if you go to ctan.org/pkg/ccicons | 23:00 |
| godbyk | you can download a zip file | 23:00 |
| godbyk | hmm.. actually, that may be slightly painful. | 23:01 |
| godbyk | the old install-pkgs.sh script installed it for you. if you look at the bzr history, you can find a copy. :) | 23:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | are ok. will do also wheres the .log file i need to look in? | 23:02 |
| godbyk | wherever you tried to compile from. | 23:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | I used synaptic | 23:02 |
| godbyk | what is it that said ccicons.sty not found? | 23:03 |
| ubuntujenkins | no make said that. I am looking for the log to find the the polyglossia version | 23:04 |
| godbyk | right. | 23:05 |
| godbyk | so in the directiory from which you ran make should be a .log file. | 23:05 |
| godbyk | main.log if you ran make with no arguments. | 23:06 |
| godbyk | that's basically the full log of all the output xelatex gives you when it runs. | 23:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | are right got it | 23:06 |
| c7p | night all | 23:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | night c7p | 23:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | am i going mad godbyk ? | 23:13 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: ah, I see. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: polyglossia is loaded after ccicons. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | so since it's dying on ccicons, it's not getting to polyglossia. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | if you hit Enter to continue past the ccicons error, it should continue to compile, though. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | or you can comment out the \RequirePackage{ccicons} line in ubuntu-manual.cls temporarily. | 23:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok well i can't install ccions using the script so i have scipt it | 23:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | the next error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/424256/ | 23:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | the install-script.log is http://paste.ubuntu.com/424257/ | 23:17 |
| godbyk | right, that error is because you commented out the ccicons line -- it doesn't know what the \ccbysa command means. | 23:19 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: does 'which xindy' return anything? | 23:19 |
| godbyk | if not, then xindy may not be in the packages either. | 23:20 |
| godbyk | it's used to generate the glossary and index. | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: I see you asked in #launchpad have you tried #launchpad-dev | 23:20 |
| dutchie | thumper said it was the Right Channel | 23:20 |
| godbyk | also see if 'makeglossaries' returns anything. if not, it means the glossaries stuff isn't in the packages. | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: can we try and work out why i can't install ccicons | 23:20 |
| dutchie | I think #launchpad-dev is for developing LP itself | 23:20 |
| godbyk | sure. | 23:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: true just a thought. tried doctormo himself he is around in #ubuntu-app-devel | 23:21 |
| thumper | ? | 23:22 |
| thumper | whazzup? | 23:22 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: edit the install-pkgs.sh file. | 23:23 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: search for 'Main loop' | 23:23 |
| godbyk | immediately after that comment, add: | 23:23 |
| godbyk | install_ccicons | 23:23 |
| godbyk | exit 0 | 23:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think dutchie was mentioning you in passing thumper he is trying to sort out oauth/openid | 23:23 |
| thumper | dutchie: #launchpad-dev is for launchpad developers | 23:23 |
| godbyk | and then you can run the ./install-pkgs.sh script to install the ccicons package | 23:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok godbyk I will give it ago | 23:24 |
| thumper | dutchie: whether they be canonical people or other | 23:24 |
| dutchie | so should I ask my question in there? | 23:24 |
| thumper | dutchie: what type of questions? | 23:25 |
| * ubuntujenkins runs make | 23:26 | |
| dutchie | 22:14:49 < dutchie> what I want to do is write a custom bug form for the ubuntu manual project. the bit I'm having trouble with is authenticating into LP to actually report the bug. I think the main problem is my complete lack of understanding of oauth/openid | 23:26 |
| thumper | dutchie: if it has to do with open id then the guy to ping is salgado | 23:26 |
| thumper | what do you mean by custom bug form? | 23:26 |
| dutchie | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/custom-bug-form | 23:26 |
| thumper | dutchie: if it is from your website, then you just need to have saved credentials for the user that the server is using | 23:27 |
| thumper | dutchie: you probably want the bugs to be registered by someone one the manual team on behalf of the form submitter | 23:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: it runs to the end and i get a 158 page manual but i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/424260/ | 23:28 |
| thumper | dutchie: so the form submitter doesn't need to have a login | 23:28 |
| thumper | dutchie: does that sound reasonable to you? | 23:28 |
| dutchie | thumper: it does | 23:28 |
| thumper | dutchie: ok, launchpadlib allows the saving of credentials | 23:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | but they don't get karma | 23:28 |
| thumper | dutchie: you have your script that files the bug to load those credentials | 23:29 |
| thumper | dutchie: then submit the bug | 23:29 |
| dutchie | thumper: I was originally going for having the user sign in with their own LP credentials | 23:29 |
| thumper | ubuntujenkins: who doesn't? | 23:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | the original submitter | 23:29 |
| thumper | dutchie: harder | 23:29 |
| dutchie | yeah | 23:29 |
| thumper | ubuntujenkins: you are right | 23:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | It would be nice if they could. | 23:30 |
| thumper | dutchie: the oauth redirect and token acceptance is what would be required | 23:30 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: yeah, it needs xindy to generate the glossary and index. | 23:30 |
| godbyk | and before, the install-pkgs.sh script said it couldn't find xindy. | 23:30 |
| dutchie | thumper: so where would I redirect to? | 23:30 |
| thumper | ubuntujenkins: what if your users don't have a lp login? | 23:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: right so we are missing xindy and ccicons | 23:30 |
| dutchie | I could just have an optional LP-id field | 23:31 |
| dutchie | best of both worlds | 23:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | thumper: true we should give them a i don't have a launchpad account button | 23:31 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: so far. :) | 23:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: how do i install xindy then? | 23:31 |
| thumper | dutchie: except that you either use LP or launchpadlib to file a bug | 23:31 |
| thumper | dutchie: and to file a but for someone else you'd need their credentials, or a token which gives you write permission | 23:32 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: http://ctan.org/pkg/xindy | 23:32 |
| thumper | dutchie: personally I think that's bad | 23:32 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: you can grab a tarball here: http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/indexing/xindy/ | 23:32 |
| dutchie | thumper: why? | 23:32 |
| thumper | dutchie: karma isn't so important as filing a useful bug | 23:32 |
| thumper | dutchie: I'm not going to authorize a token your site can use to write stuff as me | 23:32 |
| thumper | dutchie: I'm sure there are many who think like that | 23:33 |
| dutchie | fair enough | 23:33 |
| thumper | if you want a custom form, I suggest you have one user who the bugs are filed as | 23:33 |
| dutchie | surely there isn't much harm in making it optional though? | 23:33 |
| thumper | that user saves launchpadlib credentials | 23:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: xindy-kernel-3.0 right. don't want to do it all twice | 23:33 |
| thumper | dutchie: I'm not sure how easy it is to implement | 23:33 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: the one I have installed is: | 23:34 |
| godbyk | $ xindy --version | 23:34 |
| godbyk | xindy release: unknown | 23:34 |
| godbyk | xindy script version: 1.13 | 23:34 |
| godbyk | xindy kernel version: 2.3 | 23:34 |
| godbyk | xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2 | 23:34 |
| godbyk | CLISP version 2.48 (2009-07-28) (built on pcl321.mppmu.mpg.de [134.107.3.54]) | 23:34 |
| godbyk | architecture: X86_64 | 23:34 |
| dutchie | wouldn't be too hard, if I could get the oauth thing working | 23:34 |
| godbyk | that's what texlive-2009 shipped with. | 23:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok thanks godbyk i will use 2.3 | 23:34 |
| dutchie | we could use the UMP persona for this :) | 23:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: I was thinking more ubuntu-manual-bug but yea we could | 23:36 |
| dutchie | heh | 23:37 |
| dutchie | I'll slepp on it, I think | 23:37 |
| dutchie | night | 23:37 |
| godbyk | dutchie: not gonna hang around for the launch? | 23:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | night dutchie | 23:37 |
| daker | good night dutchie | 23:39 |
| ChrisWoollard | night all | 23:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | night ChrisWoollard | 23:41 |
| daker | night ChrisWoollard | 23:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | hehe godbyk I like to be difficult it make for xindy fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/424266/ . I don't compile form source much. I am right in thinking that its because i am 64 bit? | 23:43 |
| godbyk | It looks like maybe a test failed or something. it's hard to tell from that log. anything useful in the minitests.out file? | 23:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | there is no file of that name | 23:48 |
| godbyk | let me try to compile it here. see if I get the same thing. | 23:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | the web site says there is 12 hour 10 mins to go | 23:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | kk | 23:50 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: yeah, I think it's 1. counting toward noon instead of 00:01 UTC, and 2. using your local time zone. | 23:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | are makes sense | 23:50 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: did you just run ./configure and then make? | 23:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | yes | 23:51 |
| godbyk | any special args I need to specify? | 23:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | not as far as i know | 23:51 |
| godbyk | 'kay. running make now. | 23:51 |
| daker | godbyk, ubuntujenkins the countdown is set to 29 april 12:00 | 23:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | I see daker | 23:52 |
| daker | not 29 april 00:00 | 23:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | and it uses local time as apparently we have 8 mins to go but that should be 1 hour 8 | 23:53 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: you'll be pleased to know that I got the same error compiling. | 23:53 |
| godbyk | let me poke around and see what it's doing | 23:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | not just me for once | 23:54 |
| daker | are you sure it merges ? | 23:54 |
| ubuntujenkins | current time for me daker http://imagebin.org/94879 note the clock in the top | 23:55 |
| daker | ubuntujenkins, you are in GMT ? | 23:56 |
| daker | godbyk, are you sure it merges ? | 23:56 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker: nope bst | 23:56 |
| godbyk | daker: lemme check | 23:57 |
| godbyk | daker: ah, it failed to merge. | 23:57 |
| godbyk | lemme fix it real quick. | 23:57 |
| godbyk | maybe we should put the db connection stuff into a config-db.php file and include('config-db.php') in config.php? | 23:57 |
| godbyk | then we won't have conflicts if you edit config.php | 23:58 |
| daker | oki | 23:58 |
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