[00:06] <godbyk> Okay, everyone.  I'm setting the manual up on the publishing site and I need a list of keywords (for search purposes).  Feel free to just toss out whatever you can think of.
[00:09] <godbyk> I swiped the ones daker put on the website and added a couple: Ubuntu Manual, Ubuntu, lucid, lynx, 10.04, lucid lynx, help, documentation, book, pdf, ebook, free, open source
[00:13] <ChrisWoollard> user guide
[00:16] <godbyk> ooh, good one!
[00:17] <humphreybc> hi all
[00:17] <humphreybc> so what should I do, ship to popey?
[00:18] <ChrisWoollard> handbook
[00:18] <godbyk> That's entirely up to you.
[00:18] <humphreybc> godbyk: heh "more from the Ubuntu Manual Team:" "Shiny Happy Users"
[00:19] <godbyk> humphreybc: lovely.
[00:19] <godbyk> I s'pose since I published both of them or something.
[00:20] <humphreybc> heh
[00:20] <humphreybc> ChrisWoollard: you live in the UK right?
[00:20] <ChrisWoollard> yes
[00:21] <godbyk> humphreybc: don't order yet.
[00:21] <godbyk> let me double-check a couple things.
[00:21] <humphreybc> could you please PM me your address, just so I can plug it in to the cart and see how much shipping in the UK will be?
[00:21] <humphreybc> I'm not ordering yet
[00:21] <humphreybc> just seeing how much it will cost me for more than one :)
[00:21] <humphreybc> I'll get popey's address later, he'll be asleep now
[00:21] <ChrisWoollard> as in postal
[00:21] <humphreybc> ChrisWoollard: yep that would be good
[00:21] <humphreybc> don't worry I'm not going to send anything to you!
[00:22] <humphreybc> I just need a UK address to get to the next checkout screen so I can see prices
[00:22] <godbyk> interesting: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/ubuntu-desktop-course---student-guide/5968838?productTrackingContext=product_view/related_items/left/1
[00:22] <ChrisWoollard> sent
[00:23] <humphreybc> godbyk: 60 bucks!
[00:24] <humphreybc> holy moses shipping is expensive
[00:24] <humphreybc> christ I don't even know if I can afford it
[00:24] <humphreybc> $48.65 USD for expedited
[00:25] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, that's why you're not ordering yet.
[00:25] <humphreybc> is something going to change?
[00:25] <godbyk> I need to make sure that's not the only-printed-in-the-US version.
[00:25] <godbyk> bear with me.. lulu is making things more difficult for me than they should. :)
[00:26] <godbyk> I have to unpublish this book and go through the whole process again to fix the license.
[00:26] <godbyk> stupid lulu
[00:27] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, the cheap-paper edition I linked you to is printed in the US only.
[00:27] <godbyk> give me a couple minutes to fix up the real book and we'll see how cheap it is for you to ship
[00:27] <humphreybc> I thought cheap paper was also printed in the UK?
[00:28] <godbyk> https://support.lulu.com/View.jsp?procId=e54777c589bdded765014fd54d4b9175&authToken=4164df01beab240156676552dfc16d57&forceLogout=true&locale=en_US
[00:28] <godbyk> it only ships from the US, it says.
[00:29] <humphreybc> much, much cheaper to ship that book to the US
[00:29] <humphreybc> I plugged in Martin's address in Boston and it's given me $10 for expedited
[00:30] <humphreybc> maybe i should just ship it to Martin, but faster
[00:31] <ChrisWoollard> Anyway. I am tired. It is late. Again.... And I need to work tomorrow. Night all.
[00:31] <godbyk> G'night, ChrisWoollard.
[00:31] <ChrisWoollard> Humphreybc: Feel free to sendme stuff ;)
[00:32] <humphreybc> WHY DO THEY GET ME TO ENTER IN MY CC DETAILS BEFORE SHOWING ME THE TOTAL COST
[00:33] <ChrisWoollard> Hmmm. Maybe I will end up with free stuff then.....
[00:33] <humphreybc> so it's gonna cost me $44 to get two copies to Martin in Boston, or it would be about $65 to get two copies to Alan in the UK
[00:33] <humphreybc> that's NZD
[00:34]  * humphreybc thinks Mark should just buy me a copy of my own dang book
[00:34] <godbyk> What's it in USD?
[00:35] <humphreybc> 32
[00:36] <humphreybc> 32 USD = 44 NZD apparently
[00:37] <godbyk> well, that's not so bad for two copies shipped super-quickly.
[00:37] <humphreybc> yeah
[00:37] <humphreybc> that's to the US
[00:37] <humphreybc> so are you re-uploading?
[00:38] <godbyk> I think those to links should be okay now.
[00:38] <humphreybc> could you link it again, just to make sure
[00:38] <godbyk> It wasn't the PDF that was the problem, it was the metadata (specifically, the license was set to a standard copyright instead of the CC license).
[00:39] <godbyk> I PMed the links to you.
[00:39] <humphreybc> huh?
[00:39] <godbyk> gah.
[00:39] <humphreybc> I got that email
[00:39] <godbyk> I sent them to humphreybc1, apparently.
[00:39] <humphreybc> is that what you mean?
[00:39] <humphreybc> oh
[00:39] <humphreybc> heh
[00:39] <godbyk> just a sec
[00:39] <humphreybc> no, i'm humphreybc :P
[00:40] <godbyk> did you get them this time?
[00:40] <humphreybc> yep
[00:47] <godbyk> Here are PDFs of that Ubuntu Desktop Guide that's on lulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training/PDFs
[00:48] <humphreybc> yeah, i've seen them before
[00:48] <humphreybc> they're old and boring
[00:48] <godbyk> ah
[01:26] <humphreybc> HOLY CRAP BATMAN!!! LESS THAN 24 HOURS TILL RELEASE
[04:23] <happyaron> godbyk: ping
[04:23] <godbyk> happyaron: pong
[04:23] <happyaron> godbyk: I just asked people in my team, they suggest wqy-microhei for titles, ukai for text in zh_CN
[04:24] <happyaron> godbyk: and prefer to have these fonts embeded to PDF file
[04:24] <godbyk> Cool.  I'll use those, then.
[04:24] <godbyk> The fonts will be embedded in the PDF.
[04:26] <happyaron> godbyk: wqy-micorhei can be found here http://sourceforge.net/projects/wqy/files/
[04:27] <happyaron> godbyk: we prefer to use the latest microhei release because it's still under development
[04:27] <godbyk> Okay, I'll be sure to grab it from sourceforge then.
[04:28] <happyaron> godbyk: and for ukai, it's available in ubuntu's repository
[04:28] <godbyk> And the version of Ukai from the repositories is okay to use?
[04:28] <godbyk> Or should I download a later version from someplace?
[04:29] <happyaron> godbyk: ttf-arphic-ukai package is okay
[04:30] <godbyk> 'kay.
[04:30] <happyaron> godbyk: for English fonts, up to your choice, heh
[04:31] <godbyk> Fair enough. :)
[04:33] <happyaron> ：）
[04:44] <happyaron> another question, which series we should translate, e1 or e2?
[04:44] <godbyk> happyaron: Well, e1 is in a string freeze, so it's stable to translate.
[04:45] <godbyk> We're going to start editing e2 next week, so the strings will be changing out from under you all the time.
[04:45] <godbyk> You're welcome to translate whichever you prefer, but with e2 you risk having to translate the same paragraph repeatedly as it's edited.
[04:46] <happyaron> godbyk: then when will e2 be string freeze?
[04:46] <godbyk> Let me look.
[04:46] <nisshh> godbyk: are we having a meeting about e2 this week or next week?
[04:46] <nisshh> happyaron: i think e2 will hit string freeze around about june/july
[04:47] <nisshh> most likely june
[04:47] <godbyk> Yeah, I don't see a specific date right off.  I think we're planning to release e2 on July 29.
[04:47] <happyaron> ok, thx
[04:48] <godbyk> The string freeze for Maverick will be on August 20. And the release for Maverick will be Oct 29.
[04:48] <happyaron> oh
[04:48] <humphreybc> we're actually cutting it quite close to fit two releases into one cycle
[04:48] <happyaron> in fact, we still haven't had an plan for Maverick
[04:49] <godbyk> I think most of the e2 changes will be bug fixes we didn't have time to get to in e1.
[04:49] <happyaron> for Lucid it's a LTS version, so we'd like to have a good one for it first
[04:49] <godbyk> So it may be best to translate e1 and then skip e2 and translate Maverick.  I'm not really sure.
[04:49] <godbyk> Right.
[04:50] <nisshh> so we arent planning on adding in sections like wubi and ubuntu one for e2?
[04:50] <godbyk> I don't know what all is going into e2.
[04:50] <godbyk> I haven't put any thought into it yet. I've been focused solely on e1 lately. :-)
[04:51] <nisshh> humphreybc: should we have a meeting soon about e2?
[04:51] <godbyk> If someone writes the content for wubi and ubuntu one, we could add it.
[04:51] <nisshh> godbyk: yea, so have we all
[04:51] <humphreybc> don't look at me!
[04:51] <nisshh> hmmm, well id like to do some more work on the glossary and my chapter
[04:52] <nisshh> for e2 of course :)
[04:52] <humphreybc> i think we should gather some data and feedback on this release before we have a meeting to decide what to stick in e2
[04:52] <nisshh> humphreybc: so survey?
[04:52] <humphreybc> so then we can make informed decisions at the meeting :)
[04:52] <humphreybc> yeah, survey, download stats, ra ra ra
[04:52] <nisshh> yea, good point
[04:52] <nisshh> ill have a think about some questions we need to ask then
[04:54]  * nisshh is thinking alot, then going to college soon!
[04:59] <humphreybc> godbyk: how are the german and galician PDFs coming along?
[04:59] <godbyk> Galician compiled without any problems.
[04:59] <humphreybc> nice
[04:59] <godbyk> (We also have to make sure the screenshots are all set.)
[04:59] <humphreybc> stick it somewhere so we can see
[04:59] <godbyk> The German one hates me and I'm trying to figure out why.
[05:00]  * happyaron sorry, a question, how to submit screenshots
[05:00] <godbyk> humphreybc: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-gl.pdf
[05:01]  * happyaron didn't see any instruction
[05:01] <godbyk> When you have no screenshots, the manual is only 773 Kb. :)
[05:01] <godbyk> happyaron: We're using a program called Quickshot to take the screenshots.
[05:01] <humphreybc> happyaron: http://ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot
[05:01] <humphreybc> godbyk: howcome there are no screenshots in Galician? yet to add them in?
[05:02] <godbyk> humphreybc: right. because they're not in the lucid-e1 branch yet.
[05:02] <happyaron> humphreybc: and it will upload automatically?
[05:02] <godbyk> happyaron: Yes, Quickshot will upload the screenshots automatically.
[05:02] <humphreybc> happyaron: yup. We wrote it to make it awesome.
[05:02] <happyaron> good
[05:02] <happyaron> yes
[05:02] <humphreybc> godbyk: wow, the title page looks shit
[05:02] <humphreybc> just the text
[05:02] <humphreybc> "Comezar con Ubuntu 10.04"
[05:03] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah, 'cause I'm on karmic.
[05:03] <godbyk> humphreybc: and inkscape on karmic sucks.
[05:03] <humphreybc> ah, okay
[05:03] <godbyk> humphreybc: it looks a lot nicer when I compile under lucid.
[05:03] <humphreybc> that is so awesome how it's in Galician.
[05:03]  * humphreybc is beaming
[05:04] <humphreybc> get the screenshots in there and compile it under lucid so it looks even better!
[05:04] <godbyk> I have to wait for one of the quickshot guys to do the screenshot stuff.
[05:04] <godbyk> I'm going to see if I can get the German one to work.
[05:04] <humphreybc> nice
[05:04] <godbyk> It's complaining about \acronym{OS~X}.  The tilde is getting mangled somehow.
[05:13] <humphreybc> Nice, my tweet calling for more followers to reach our 500 followers target on twitter has been re-tweeted 14 times in an hour
[05:14] <humphreybc> we've got 480 followers now
[05:20] <godbyk> Weird.. the listings package is causing the problem.
[05:21] <godbyk> We're not using it right now, so it's not a real problem..
[05:21] <godbyk> but I'm going to spend some time investigating it at some point to see what's up.
[05:29] <humphreybc> http://www.facebook.com/events/edit/index.php?eid=116659145028256&step=1#!/event.php?eid=116659145028256
[05:30] <humphreybc> I presume when the real website replaces the countdown timer, the nav bar will gain the "Downloads" entry?
[05:30] <humphreybc> Or are we not going to use "Downloads" yet since we only have one version
[05:31] <godbyk> okay, the countdown is not magical.
[05:31] <godbyk> it has no function other than counting down.
[05:31] <humphreybc> huh?
[05:32] <humphreybc> lol yes
[05:32] <godbyk> nothing will happen automatically.
[05:32] <humphreybc> i know
[05:32] <humphreybc> :)
[05:32] <godbyk> okay.
[05:32] <godbyk> just making sure. :)
[05:32] <humphreybc> but when it reaches zero we need to have some l33t timing
[05:32] <godbyk> Well, it'll hit 0 for you before it hits 0 for me.
[05:32] <godbyk> So the countdown is kinda silly.
[05:32] <humphreybc> this is true
[05:32] <humphreybc> hmm
[05:33] <humphreybc> oh well
[05:33] <humphreybc> when it hits zero for me, we should switch it.. coz i'm +12 so i'll be one of the first people for it to hit zero
[05:33] <humphreybc> if that makes sense
[07:16] <godbyk> Hey, IlyaHaykinson_. How's it going?
[07:18]  * IlyaHaykinson_ waves to godbyk 
[07:18] <IlyaHaykinson_> good
[07:18] <IlyaHaykinson_> busy :|
[07:18] <IlyaHaykinson_> meeting with my HCI friend on Thu
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson_> re the research project
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson_> how's the lulu thing?
[07:19] <godbyk> cool
[07:19] <godbyk> I think I've got Lulu ready to go.
[07:19] <godbyk> Everything's uploaded.
[07:19] <godbyk> humphreybc even ordered a couple copies for himself already.
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson_> way cool
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson_> send me a link, so will I
[07:19] <godbyk> I'm just waiting a day before I make the catalog entry public.
[07:21] <IlyaHaykinson_> heh. at one point, lulu had sued my company.
[07:21] <godbyk> Oh yeah? Over what?
[07:21] <IlyaHaykinson_> naming
[07:21] <IlyaHaykinson_> i work at Hulu
[07:21] <IlyaHaykinson_> ;)
[07:22] <godbyk> Ha!
[07:22] <IlyaHaykinson_> but, well, we settled that amicably
[07:22] <godbyk> That's good to hear.
[07:23] <godbyk> I'm currently going through the German translation and fixing all the little LaTeX-related typos (so it compiles cleanly).
[07:23] <godbyk> It's mindless, and a bit boring.
[07:24] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: Have you put any thought into what we should try to get done for the second edition?
[07:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> is there any way, on the landing page at lulu, to make the title page screenshot have a black border?
[07:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> right now it blends into the page
[07:25] <IlyaHaykinson_> re lucid-e2, not too much thought beyond the email that i had sent before. but, to some degree, i think some of the research work should help with that.
[07:25] <IlyaHaykinson_> i think we certainly have bugs in the manual -- those are easy enough to fix.
[07:25] <godbyk> I don't think so. It generates that from the wrap-around cover that we upload.
[07:26] <IlyaHaykinson_> we also have serious holes in content (things we gloss over, things we omit when we shouldn't by any means)
[07:27] <godbyk> Yeah, I agree with that.
[07:27] <IlyaHaykinson_> so i figure mainly it's about "getting to 100%" with what we have
[07:28] <godbyk> That's pretty much what I had in mind, too.
[07:28] <ubuntujenkins> moring all
[07:28]  * IlyaHaykinson_ waves to ubuntujenkins 
[07:29] <IlyaHaykinson_> though i think you meant "morning", not "moring"
[07:29] <godbyk> I'd also like to flesh out the index and glossary.
[07:29] <IlyaHaykinson_> unless that's a cross between morning and boring
[07:29] <IlyaHaykinson_> ?
[07:29] <ubuntujenkins> lol i meant morning
[07:29] <IlyaHaykinson_> godbyk: yes. i think those are components of "100%" for sure
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> ooh.
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> hm, i just realized one thing missing from the manual (unless i misremember)
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> is a URL to download a copy
[07:30] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: Check the copyright page.
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> i.e. is http://www.ubuntu-manual.org anywhere in the manual?
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> oh.
[07:31] <godbyk> I just added some text to the copyright pages earlier today.
[07:31] <godbyk> http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/copyright-screen.pdf
[07:31] <godbyk> http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/copyright-print.pdf
[07:31] <godbyk> (I removed the spurious comma after 'and'.)
[07:32] <godbyk> There's also a half-title page for the book version and a colophon for both (which lists the typefaces and software we used).
[07:32] <IlyaHaykinson_> way to go!
[07:34] <godbyk> Here's the print version of the PDF: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/manuals/getting-started-with-ubuntu/10.04/en_US/print/Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04.pdf
[07:34] <godbyk> (with the spaces, you'll have to make it a url yourself. :-))
[07:35] <IlyaHaykinson_> hm, interesting. the "Getting Started with OpenOffice.org 3.x" is 442 pages long
[07:36] <godbyk> Yeah, there's also a $60 Ubuntu Desktop Course book.
[07:37] <IlyaHaykinson_> the OO.o book is CC-licensed though
[07:37] <IlyaHaykinson_> and thus we can reuse content from it
[07:37] <IlyaHaykinson_> if we wanted to.
[07:37] <godbyk> Cool.
[07:38] <godbyk> So's the one I pointed out.
[07:38] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: which screenshots do you want as a prority?
[07:38] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Hmm.. we should probably just take them in the same order as the translations progress.
[07:39] <godbyk> So German and Galician are the top two right now, I think.
[07:39] <IlyaHaykinson_> oh. are there any ways to clarify the license on lulu?
[07:39] <godbyk> The Galician manual compiles okay (sans screenshots).  The German one has a slew of bugs I'm trying to fix.
[07:39] <IlyaHaykinson_> right now it says "standard copyright license" at the bottom
[07:39] <ubuntujenkins> have you uploaded to google?
[07:39] <ubuntujenkins> *hulu
[07:39] <IlyaHaykinson_> lulu
[07:39] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: Yeah, that's in error.
[07:40] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: I manually specified the license as CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported (because they only had old 2.0 CC licenses).
[07:40] <ubuntujenkins> cononical have chnaged the home page AGAIN
[07:40] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: And I think since it was a 'custom' license, it uses that standard copyright entry or something silly
[07:40] <godbyk> I may have to email them about it.
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson_> godbyk: i see.
[07:49] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can you please remove 04-bluetooth-left-click@es@1272023452.png from the server
[07:49] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: done
[07:50] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[07:52] <ubuntujenkins> and this one please godbyk 08-display-properties-confirm@es@1270464688.png
[07:53] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: done
[07:53] <ubuntujenkins> all of the screenshots so far can be found https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots
[07:53] <ubuntujenkins> everything s uptodate with all people have taken
[07:55] <godbyk> cool
[07:56] <ubuntujenkins> I know the glacien ones are being finished today
[07:57] <godbyk> Awesome.
[07:57] <godbyk> I think there's only a couple Galician and a couple German ones left.
[07:57] <ubuntujenkins> both the harder ones
[07:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: have you uploaded to lulu?
[08:00] <godbyk> Yep.
[08:00] <ubuntujenkins> dam new start page is http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/03-ubuntu-start-firefox@gl@1272368086.png
[08:01] <ubuntujenkins> I will fix it in all the screenshots this afternoon. I have lectures most of the morning
[08:01] <godbyk> There's a different start page now, too?
[08:01] <godbyk> Yay.
[08:01] <godbyk> They should, I dunno, STOP TOUCHING THINGS!
[08:01] <godbyk> :)
[08:02] <ubuntujenkins> I shouted about it 10 minutes ago and i agree STOP TOUCHING THINGS
[08:04] <godbyk> Don't they know we're trying to work here?
[08:14] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil.  lulu didn't complain about your cover at all, so I'm assuming it's all good. :)
[08:15] <thorwil> godbyk: hi, cool
[08:24] <thorwil> oh wow, "progress" on the logo front: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=diff&rev1=50&rev2=51
[08:24] <godbyk> lol
[08:24] <godbyk> nice
[08:25] <godbyk> They're a day late and a dollar short for this release, though. :)
[08:27] <thorwil> godbyk: if i though they would really think about it, i would have to be insulated by the insistence to not hand out that one asset to me before the guidelines are done. like i rape it somehow
[08:27] <thorwil> like i would, even
[08:28] <godbyk> Yeah, I doubt they're giving our project any thought at the moment.
[08:41]  * popey waves
[08:41] <ubuntujenkins> hello popey
[08:43] <IlyaHaykinson_> alright, l8r folks
[08:43] <ubuntujenkins> bye IlyaHaykinson_
[08:46]  * ubuntujenkins texlive still downloading 6gb and 32 hours so far
[08:49] <ubuntujenkins> I am suprised my laptop has stayed usable for this long
[08:49]  * ubuntujenkins runs to lectures
[09:30] <humphreybc> okay, what's happening team?
[09:31] <godbyk> nothing much
[09:32] <humphreybc> godbyk, screenshots in the Galician manual?
[09:32] <godbyk> I haven't done anything with screenshots yet.
[09:32] <humphreybc> what have you done? :P
[09:32] <godbyk> I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's done, either. :)
[09:32] <humphreybc> 511 followers on twitter now
[09:32] <godbyk> Well, I spent a good deal of time fixing all but two of the bugs in the German translation.
[09:33] <godbyk> I have to do a bit of research to solve the last couple.
[09:33] <godbyk> What've you been up to? :)
[09:33] <godbyk> cool
[09:33] <humphreybc> went and got fish and chips, ate those with flatmates, had some beers, played some XBOX and started watching Pulp Fiction
[09:34] <godbyk> sounds like you're not getting much work done. :-P
[09:34] <humphreybc> to be totally honest, there doesn't appear to be much work to do
[09:34] <humphreybc> well, i suppose I could start adding stuff to e2 but... meh. later
[09:34] <humphreybc> :P
[09:34] <godbyk> you could start making a list of things we need to add to e2.
[09:35] <humphreybc> I could, yes
[09:35] <godbyk> also someone needs to go through the bug spreadsheet and bring it up to date so we know what's left to fix in e2.
[09:35] <humphreybc> yea
[09:35] <humphreybc> bah!
[09:35] <godbyk> There's always plenty of work to do. :-)
[09:35] <humphreybc> i know i know
[09:43] <nisshh> humphreybc: what? your running out of work to do on the manual?? Is that possible??
[09:44] <humphreybc> nisshh: just for this release
[09:44] <humphreybc> everything is in the hands of godbyk and daker now, i'm afraid
[09:44] <nisshh> yea
[09:44] <godbyk> I think all my work is done.
[09:45] <godbyk> Lulu is ready. I just have to make it public.
[09:45] <humphreybc> fun
[09:45] <humphreybc> so where's daker?
[09:45] <godbyk> The PDFs have been uploaded to the website.  Daker just needs to get the download stuff going.
[09:45] <nisshh> meh, pity im broke otherwise id order a cpy too
[09:45] <nisshh> cop*
[09:45] <godbyk> I'll try to help Daker if he needs it, but I haven't seen him and I don't know what he's up to.
[09:45] <nisshh> copy*
[10:44]  * popey pokes humphreybc 
[10:44] <popey> Dude! Where's my podcast?
[10:44] <humphreybc> hi popey
[10:44] <humphreybc> No idea!
[10:44] <popey> :(
[10:44] <humphreybc> Joey had a girl around last night
[10:44] <popey> O RLY?
[10:44] <humphreybc> hence couldn't edit it or something
[10:44] <popey> your mum?
[10:44] <popey> ho ho ho
[10:44] <humphreybc> yeah, i made sure everyone knew
[10:44] <popey> me so funny
[10:45] <humphreybc> HA! what a young joke :P
[10:45] <popey> lol
[10:45] <humphreybc> so i dunno, he's got a doctors appointment this morning and then he'll be back soon i guess
[10:45] <popey> in other news, ordered a T-shirt yet? :)
[10:45] <humphreybc> nope, i have not! Kinda hoping Jono would just bring like, 500, and give them out to everyone for free
[10:45] <humphreybc> ..
[10:45] <popey> haha
[10:46] <popey> no, that wont happen
[10:46] <humphreybc> bollocks
[10:46] <popey> you do get special UDS t-shirts though
[10:46] <popey> which aren't in the store
[10:46] <humphreybc> will i be able to score free merchandise from UDS though?
[10:46] <popey> one t-shirt, yes :)
[10:46] <humphreybc> pens, stamps, coffee mugs, lucid CDs?
[10:46] <popey> and as many CDs as you can carry
[10:46] <popey> no
[10:46] <humphreybc> darn
[10:46] <popey> stickers too usually
[10:46] <humphreybc> CDs are okay
[10:46] <humphreybc> stickers too
[10:47] <humphreybc> I decided to ship the books to doctormo in Boston, it's cheaper and I think they'll make it. Thanks for your offer of looking after em for me :)
[10:47] <popey> last time for UDS Lucid Lynx they also brought a load of Lynx body sprays :)
[10:47] <popey> yeah, smart move
[10:47] <humphreybc> Meerkat body sprays?
[10:47] <humphreybc> hmm
[10:47] <humphreybc> maybe shaving cream
[10:47] <popey> well, it made sense given it was Lucid Lynx
[10:47] <popey> and welcome given geeks smell :)
[10:47] <humphreybc> haha
[10:48] <humphreybc> I hope Martin doesn't snore
[10:48] <popey> they time the t-shirts for wednesday/thursday when people start to smell most
[10:48] <humphreybc> Oh did Amber speak to you?
[10:48] <humphreybc> Hehe, well, Brussels is a lot colder than Dallas, right?
[10:48] <humphreybc> :P
[10:48] <popey> heh
[10:48] <humphreybc> btw, what sort of clothes should I pack?
[10:48] <popey> well, you're inside all the time
[10:49] <popey> dallas wasnt that warm
[10:49] <popey> http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/37?&search=brussels&itemsPerPage=10&region=world
[10:49] <humphreybc> I see you're coming in on Sunday evening, I'll already be there waiting for ya in the reception! haha
[10:49] <popey> :D
[10:49] <humphreybc> I wanted to get one of them blame popey T shirts
[10:49] <Daviey> Dallas has too much wind!
[10:49] <humphreybc> but it costs an arm and a leg to ship anything to NZ
[10:50] <humphreybc> Brussels temp looks similar to what it's like down here
[10:51] <humphreybc> popey: my friend (beer connoisseur) has instructed me that I have to taste this particular beer
[10:52] <humphreybc> "Man, you have to try Westvleteren, the 6th and smallest of the Trappist breweries. Incredibly rare beer, 3 styles. http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm Bring me one back if you can!!!"
[10:52] <humphreybc> http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm
[10:53] <humphreybc> "The Westvleteren "Trappist" is sold exclusively at the abbey store, and only after having made a reservation by telephone "
[10:53] <humphreybc> a reservation!?
[10:53] <popey> there's way too much beer in brussels to tie yourself to one
[10:53] <popey> so many options, and many are great
[10:53] <humphreybc> I figured that
[10:53] <humphreybc> we'll have to do some pub crawls then
[10:53] <popey> http://www.tiac.net/~tjd/bier/belglist.html
[10:54] <humphreybc> nice!
[10:54] <popey> there's a few 12% in there
[10:54]  * humphreybc 's pub crawl might end early if he has too many of them
[10:55] <popey> people tend not to crawl in .be
[10:55] <popey> given every bar has every beer :)
[10:55] <humphreybc> :O
[10:55] <popey> people tend to find a good spot in one bar and stay there
[10:55] <popey> IME
[10:55] <humphreybc> nice
[10:55] <humphreybc> should be good
[10:55] <humphreybc> although it's a long stumble back to the hotel
[10:56] <popey> trams
[10:56] <humphreybc> the pics of the hotel almost look as if it's out in the country?
[10:56] <popey> plus there is often a coach laid on
[10:56] <humphreybc> and do trams run all night?
[10:56] <popey> dunno
[10:56] <humphreybc> haha
[10:56] <humphreybc> i guess we'll find out
[10:56] <popey> you're excited then? :)
[10:57] <popey> you doing interviews for omg?
[10:57] <humphreybc> yeah, it should be awesome. Won't really hit home till I'm on the plane, I spose. Been a while since I've been overseas.
[10:57] <humphreybc> Not presently, but we might do in the future
[10:57] <humphreybc> we'd like to :)
[10:58] <popey> i meant at UDS
[10:58] <humphreybc> oh right
[10:58] <humphreybc> probably not audio ones coz I don't have the gear with me
[10:58] <humphreybc> if I can scavenge some gear, sure. But I'll definitely be covering it
[10:59] <humphreybc> we're probably going to do a couple of podcasts and a lot of blog posts, i'll be snapping pics too
[10:59] <humphreybc> Would have been much better if Joey came
[10:59] <popey> yeah, shame he cant
[10:59] <humphreybc> he's definitely going to come to UDS-N though
[11:00] <humphreybc> did Amber ping you?
[11:05] <popey> ya
[11:05] <popey> should arrange a skype call soon
[12:14] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: when you get bored can you do some quickshot mock ups please . I am trying to do the design in glade and it looks bad
[12:15] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: don't ever miss with glade unless you know exactly what is supposed to go where already
[12:16] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: I thought i did but it all looks so bad. works on the power point i did but not in glade.
[12:17] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: how does it fail in glade?
[12:18] <ubuntujenkins> it looks no where near as good as i thought it would
[12:20] <humphreybc> heh
[12:20] <humphreybc> okay Luke, i'll do it next week if I have time
[12:21]  * humphreybc just had a rather alternative/indie style jam session with flatmates
[12:21] <ubuntujenkins> thanks humphreybc also is the wwubi screenshot still  in the manual?
[12:21] <humphreybc> nope
[12:27] <humphreybc> psst, everyone, popey's gone... let's have a party!
[12:27] <ubuntujenkins> galician screenshots complete
[12:38] <zleap> hi
[12:38] <ubuntujenkins> hello zleap
[12:38] <ubuntujenkins> hello sebsebseb
[12:38] <zleap> just joined
[12:38] <zleap> would the following be useful for the manual
[12:38] <zleap> http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.php
[12:38] <zleap> joe text editor command reference
[12:40] <ubuntujenkins> possibly to advanced for the manual at the moment. I can't remember if we mention gedit even. What would you like to help with?
[12:41] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: I just refered zleap from #ubuntu
[12:42] <ubuntujenkins> thnaks sebsebseb I better join the channel and an ubunt manaul as highlighting
[12:42] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: what  was that?
[12:42] <zleap> not sure, when its out I will see if i can put something in,
[12:42] <zleap> or contribute ideas / screen shots etc
[12:43] <sebsebseb> really there should be a factoid in ubottu for the manual, and also that makes it clear that it's from Canonical I guess :)
[12:43] <sebsebseb> well jussi for example could sort that out
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> when i ping you your irc client flashes. when someone mentions quickshot my irc client flashes
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> zleap: let me find you a link
[12:43] <jussi> grumble
[12:43] <zleap> k
[12:43] <sebsebseb> jussi: uh I typed that wrong
[12:44] <sebsebseb> jussi: makes it clear, that it's not from Canonical
[12:44] <zleap> i have a copy here its beta,
[12:44] <jussi> sebsebseb: you know the drill, suggest the factoid aas norma and we will evaluate it..
[12:44] <zleap> ]what does "factoid ass norma" mean?
[12:45] <sebsebseb> jussi: I don't bother with factoid  suggestion stuff in pm with ubottu  or however it's offically meant to be done.  I may suggest to an op about this and that factoid at the time.  Anyway I guess the manual factoid someone that ideally has contributed quite a bit to this project should come up with, so that's not me.
[12:46] <sebsebseb> jussi: why got rid of the 01 by the way in your IRC nick?
[12:46] <jussi> sebsebseb: thats the way we do factoids...
[12:46] <jussi> sebsebseb: My name is jussi...
[12:46] <jussi> ;)
[12:46] <sebsebseb> jussi: yes, but you had 01 in your nick as well
[12:47] <sebsebseb> before
[12:47] <jussi> sebsebseb: this nick finally became available. but its offtopic for here. moving on.
[12:47] <sebsebseb> !ot
[12:47] <manualbot> Best to keep this channel mainly on topic!
[12:47] <sebsebseb> jussi: yeah yeah, and I come up with that factoid  suggestion for this channel :)
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> hello sebsebseb
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> hello semioticrobotic
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> sorry sebsebseb wrong person
[12:52] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: np
[12:52] <sebsebseb> ok np
[12:56] <semioticrobotic> hi ubuntujenkins
[12:56] <semioticrobotic> how are things?
[13:01] <semioticrobotic> wooo!  one more day!
[13:22] <ubuntujenkins> I am good semioticrobotic you?
[13:22] <semioticrobotic> not bad at all
[13:22] <semioticrobotic> looking forward to tomorrow's release
[13:23] <ubuntujenkins> its going to be exciting :)
[13:24] <semioticrobotic> I won't be able to perform an upgrade for several days (too much going on at school), but I am excited
[13:25] <ubuntujenkins> upgrades are always painful if stuff breaks. i like clean installs. A seperate home always help
[13:25] <semioticrobotic> yeah.  I never do anything but a clean install
[13:25] <semioticrobotic> saves more time, in the long run, than upgrading and trying to tweak
[13:26] <semioticrobotic> this is the first time I've had to migrate keypairs, however, so I'm trying to discern th best way to do that
[13:26] <semioticrobotic> looks like the command line is the easiest way
[13:26] <semioticrobotic> given what I've read and what others have graciously told me
[13:26] <ubuntujenkins> you will have to tell me how you do on that keys have been a pain for me
[13:27] <semioticrobotic> not looking forward to it
[13:27] <semioticrobotic> but I'll be sure to report my success (or failure) after the install
[13:27] <semioticrobotic> hate to run, but a few of my students are shooting a video on he impending zombie apocalypse, and they've asked me to play a small role ... time for filming
[13:28] <semioticrobotic> heh
[13:28] <semioticrobotic> should be fun
[13:28] <semioticrobotic> hope you have a great day, ubuntujenkins.
[13:28] <ubuntujenkins> and you semioticrobotic have fun filming/acting
[13:33]  * ubuntujenkins omg texlive svn branch has finished, it only took 36 hours to download 7.0 GB
[14:05] <ubuntujenkins> anyone good with perl?
[14:06] <humphreybc> ha!
[14:06] <humphreybc> no
[14:06] <humphreybc> :P
[14:06] <ChrisWoollard> what do you need
[14:06] <ubuntujenkins> don't ha I am trying to build texlive packages
[14:07] <ChrisWoollard> i have been know to do a little
[14:07] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: I wil just paste bin some stuff
[14:07] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: really, what for?
[14:07] <ubuntujenkins> us!
[14:07] <humphreybc> for....?
[14:08] <ubuntujenkins> so people can use appa and not the texlive way
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> ChrisWoollard: running this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/423980/ i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/423981/ this is the change log http://paste.ubuntu.com/423979/
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> ignore the first two lines even with out those there it fails the same.
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> of the change log
[14:16] <ubuntujenkins> the strange thing is if i empty the changelog then the script works
[14:19] <ChrisWoollard> hmmm
[14:19] <ubuntujenkins> sorry proably a bit complex for irc
[14:20] <ChrisWoollard> I think that makes sense
[14:20] <ubuntujenkins> what is it testing for in the change log file?
[14:20] <ChrisWoollard> if the file is empty I don't think it would parse the foreach on line 164
[14:22] <ubuntujenkins> If i have an empty change log does that mean some of the script doesn't run?
[14:22] <ubuntujenkins> ie do i lose anything important
[14:23] <ChrisWoollard> i think that if the log file is empty lines 164 through to 178 wouldn't run
[14:24] <ChrisWoollard> I am thinking that there is probably a problem with the regex on 169
[14:24] <ChrisWoollard> which is probably why it is erroring
[14:25] <ChrisWoollard> I do have to say that regex's are a bugger at times
[14:25] <ubuntujenkins> those lines don't appear to do anything at least as far as i can tell.
[14:26] <ChrisWoollard> not much. looks like a big of error checking
[14:27] <ubuntujenkins> good good thanks for looking. now i have to work out how to generate a package to test
[14:30] <thorwil> humphreybc, godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity . the orange is another and the geometry of the CoC has been changed. i don't intend to adjust our titlepage, as i prefer to keep internal consistency. after all, they didn't manage to keep the stuff already in lucid in snyc themselves, from what i have been told.
[14:30] <thorwil> gone for garden work and cycling, bbl
[14:31] <ChrisWoollard> It looks like it is pretty much just checking for the correct dists and that is the only real useful bit.
[14:31] <ChrisWoollard> but that wouldn't stop it working
[14:31] <ChrisWoollard> if it isn't there
[14:31] <ChrisWoollard> you would just have t be careful what it is run against
[14:32] <ubuntujenkins> I will probably try and get that stuff correct if these packages achive what we want. untill then i think a balnk change log is ok. thanks for you help
[14:33] <ChrisWoollard> np
[14:48] <nisshh> does anyone here use identi.ca?
[18:30] <dutchie> hi all
[18:33] <ChrisWoollard> Hello
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> hello all
[18:49] <hemanth> hi ubuntujenkins :)
[18:50] <ubuntujenkins> just the person I have a question let me find the link
[18:50] <hemanth> hmm?
[18:51] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: if you look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/238 and view the diff of the bottom file. Did you change that? or was it done automatically by quickly? I don't mind either way i was just interested.
[18:52] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, checking it out, page still loading
[18:53] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, its done by quickly, cos as you knew i was just working on the file in the bin dir
[18:54] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth:thats what i thought, quickly broke it. the change was wrong what version are you using?
[18:55] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, now Quickly 0.4.2
[18:55] <hemanth> , then it was Quickly 0.4.1
[18:55] <ubuntujenkins> strange, don't worry we will just have to keep an eye on what gets changed.
[18:56] <hemanth> okies, what is the next thinge that is planned b4 we hit the next millstone?
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> we need to get the gui design going i have made a start but. Its not going well so i have asked ben to do some mock ups. It doesn't look right in comparison with the power point i did
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> feel free to set up your own branch and have ago. Thats what i have done
[19:23] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sure, sorry for the delay the notification is not working
[19:23] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: no problem
[19:36] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[20:12] <godbyk-android> Hey, ubuntujenkins, I'll be with you in just a bit. Going to hop in the shower.
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> cool godbyk-android no rush
[20:23] <dutchie> oh my god
[20:23] <dutchie> oauth does not look like fun :
[20:23] <dutchie> (
[20:24] <ubuntujenkins> why are you looking at it?
[20:24] <dutchie> for the bug form
[20:24] <ubuntujenkins> ooo yea good luck bet its not as hard as packaging texlive
[20:25] <dutchie> heh
[21:14]  * ubuntujenkins finishes correcting all the firefox homepages again. Thanks to cononical for that job
[21:15] <godbyk> Hey, ubuntujenkins. I'm back now. Sorry for the delay. Got distracted.
[21:16] <godbyk> Is it worth me taking the time to recompile the PDFs (for print and screen) with the new homepage?
[21:17] <godbyk> We've got, what, less than two hours until release? :)
[21:17] <ubuntujenkins> hey godbyk, I have just updated please do if we have time
[21:17] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:17] <godbyk> I guess it's nearly four hours to go.
[21:17] <ubuntujenkins> also can you make lucid-e1 work again i can't compile it. All of the translated screenshots are also ok
[21:18] <dutchie> hmm, maybe i need openid instead of oauth
[21:18] <dutchie> THIS IS TOO CONFUSING :(
[21:18] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424201/ is the error
[21:19] <ubuntujenkins> also I have some info on the texlive packages
[21:19] <ubuntujenkins> when you finish the mountain of stuff i have just suggested :)
[21:19] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Ah, I think I added thorwil's new title pages to just my branch and not the main branch. I'll look into it.
[21:19] <godbyk> Heh.
[21:19] <godbyk> Feel free to info-dump, if you like.
[21:19] <godbyk> I'll be with you in about 5-10 minutes after I finish recompiling the PDFs.
[21:20] <godbyk> I noticed that Canonical came out with the new branding guidelines today, too.
[21:20] <godbyk> Too bad we needed them yesterday (literally).
[21:20] <dutchie> no, it's definitely oauth
[21:20] <ubuntujenkins> this is the most important one http://paste.ubuntu.com/424182/ and this i think tells us what is in the packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/424174/ or at least i think ( godbyk )
[21:21]  * ubuntujenkins canonical can't make their mind up at all
[21:25] <c7p> hello
[21:26] <ubuntujenkins> hello c7p how are you?
[21:27] <c7p> nice :D the translation of the manual is completed, 10.04 is released tomorrow .... it couldn't be greater :p, you ?
[21:28] <ubuntujenkins> I am good, I am enjoying the end of the day
[21:28] <dutchie> godbyk: have you done one last translation import?
[21:28] <godbyk> dutchie: who? what?  just a moment.  re-uploading PDFs to get ubuntujenkins's updated screenshot in
[21:29] <godbyk> Has anyone seen daker, btw?
[21:29] <godbyk> Or am I going to have to panic and relearn php in 5 minutes?
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> not seen him sorry
[21:32] <c7p> string 206
[21:32] <c7p> From left to right, these buttons \emph{close}, \emph{minimize}, and \emph{maximize} the window.
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> yep what about it?
[21:33] <c7p> on my windows it is maximize, minimize, close
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> what langauge?
[21:33] <c7p> greek
[21:34] <dutchie> stupid complicated oauth
[21:34] <godbyk> c7p: are you using a quickshot cd or a full lucid installation or what?
[21:34] <c7p> lucid installation, beta 1
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: is greek left to right or right to left
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> are beta 1
[21:35] <c7p> left to right
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> go system > apperence choose a different theme then choose the origianal again.
[21:35] <c7p> yeah
[21:35] <c7p> the theme made things complicated
[21:35] <c7p> thx
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> sorry how did it make it complicated
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> did i mess your computer up?
[21:36] <c7p> no
[21:36] <c7p> i used the dust theme
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> are ok panic over :)
[21:37] <c7p> and that caused the "bug"
[21:37] <c7p> now that i changed to the default theme, the buttons are on the right place
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> yey \0/
[21:38] <godbyk> lulu book updated
[21:38] <godbyk> uploading PDFs to our site now
[21:38] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: wow i didn't expect lulu as well
[21:39] <godbyk> I just had to upload the new PDF to their site and run through their wizard again.
[21:39] <godbyk> Unfortunately, each time I do that, it changes the URL (as it's a new 'revision' of the book).
[21:39] <godbyk> So then I have to add that new URL to the copyright page of the on-screen version.
[21:40] <godbyk> (I should've just left it as 'find the book at lulu.com' instead of giving the full URL)
[21:40] <ubuntujenkins> is it public I would like to work out the uk cost
[21:40] <godbyk> it's not listed in the catalog yet, but I can send you the direct link.
[21:40] <godbyk> one moment.
[21:45] <dutchie> I didn't expect that to work :(
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: have you looked at ground control for hints
[21:45] <dutchie> ooh, good idea
[21:45] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'm adding those title pages to the repository.
[21:46] <godbyk> (It's set to ignore the .pdf files in the titlepages/ dir, so that's why they weren't added previously.)
[21:46] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: they should be in the repo now.
[21:46] <godbyk> let me know if you have any other problems compiling.
[21:47] <godbyk> I guess I'll grab the latest code for the website and see if I can make sense of it.
[21:47] <ubuntujenkins> thnaks godbyk compiles fine.
[21:52] <godbyk> great
[21:52] <ubuntujenkins> I am now going to try with the latest ubuntu packages. once i have removed texlive
[21:53] <ubuntujenkins> I still can't build them my self yet. but i thought i would work out what is missing before i mail the mailing list
[21:54] <godbyk> sounds like a plan
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> its no good if its a licence issue. The read me on making them is really good but some stuff is outdated. ie it talks about scripts that don't exists
[21:57] <ubuntujenkins> i have another question godbyk, what lanaguge is this in http://paste.ubuntu.com/424223/
[21:57] <dutchie> it's a Makefile
[21:57] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: It's a Makefile.
[21:58] <godbyk> So you'd run 'make target', where 'target' is one of those words that starts at the beginning of the line and ends in a colon.
[21:58] <godbyk> (if you use bash, just type 'make <Tab>' and it'll autocomplete to show you the possibilities)
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> doh! ok this may make sense
[22:12] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: just found daker on facebook
[22:13] <godbyk> cool.  is he going to come into the irc channel?
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> he should be on in the sec
[22:13] <godbyk> k
[22:13] <c7p> godbyk, the /ie and /eg abbreviations, should be translated ? (for example,  /eg --(translation)-> word)
[22:13] <godbyk> c7p: There are two options for \ie and \eg.
[22:14] <godbyk> 1. You can email me the proper translations, and I'll make \ie and \eg spit out that translation (in which case you can leave the \ie and \eg commands as is).
[22:14] <daker> hi
[22:14] <godbyk> 2. You can remove the \ie and \eg commands and replace them with their translations.
[22:14] <godbyk> Hey, daker!
[22:14] <daker> what's up ?
[22:14] <c7p> hm let me see the .po file
[22:15] <godbyk> daker: I wanted to see where we were at with the website and see if you needed any help with anything.
[22:15] <godbyk> daker: We're going to switch off the countdown timer and use the real site in just under 3 hours (at 0000 UTC).
[22:16] <godbyk> So I wanted to make sure everything was ready to go.
[22:16] <daker> what !!!!!
[22:16] <daker> 3hours
[22:16] <godbyk> Yep.
[22:16] <godbyk> It'll be 29 April (UTC) then.
[22:17] <daker> i thought that still 13hours :)
[22:17] <godbyk> Ah, I'm afraid not. :)
[22:19] <godbyk> I've set up the database tables that you sent me.  And the PDFs are uploaded.
[22:19] <daker> oki
[22:20] <godbyk> daker: If there's anything I can do to help, tell me.
[22:20] <godbyk> I think I've got everything on my end finished, so I'm free to help.
[22:21] <daker> oki thanks
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: did you look at the links on the texlive files i sent?
[22:21] <ubuntujenkins> (pastebins)
[22:22] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: what? where?
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> this is the most important one http://paste.ubuntu.com/424182/ and this i think tells us what is in the packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/424174/ or at least i think ( godbyk )
[22:22] <ubuntujenkins> the first one is about what isn't in the packages
[22:22] <c7p> godbyk: i sent you an email with the translation of the abbreviations, check it when you have time.
[22:23] <godbyk> c7p: sure.  As soon as I get it, I'll set the translations in the branch for you.  You can then use \ie and \eg as-is.
[22:23] <c7p> godbyk, ok thank you
[22:25] <daker> godbyk, change the autoupdate to 5min
[22:25] <godbyk> daker: ok
[22:26] <godbyk> daker: I set it to 5 minutes.
[22:27] <daker> godbyk, if you change the informations in a file it will be erased when i push ?
[22:29] <godbyk> daker: I'm not sure I'm following. Can you rephrase the question?
[22:29]  * ubuntujenkins oo the channel is getting more people
[22:30] <daker> just a minute, because i am reinstalling lucid from zero
[22:33] <daker> nrn
[22:33] <daker> brb
[22:41] <daker> godbyk, what about lulu.co link ?
[22:41] <godbyk> daker: I've got that.
[22:41] <godbyk> Just a sec and I'll send it to you
[22:49] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: So for the first link you gave me, I think all of that's okay.
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> so none of the missing stuff is needed?
[22:50] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: The original problem we had was that the version of polyglossia we needed didn't work with the packaged version of XeTeX (as it wasn't new enough).
[22:50] <godbyk> nope.
[22:50] <godbyk> most of it's not really missing, just packaged different.
[22:50] <godbyk> differently.
[22:50] <godbyk> and the stuff that is missing, we're not using.
[22:50] <ubuntujenkins> thats a good sign
[22:51] <godbyk> Check to see that the polyglossia package is in the Ubuntu packages.. I think that may not have been in the 2007 version. I don't know if it was in 2009 now or not.
[22:51] <godbyk> (It's been a few months.)
[22:52] <ubuntujenkins> I will when it finishes installing
[22:52] <godbyk> k
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: running with the latest packages i get ! LaTeX Error: File `ccicons.sty' not found. . I can't work out what version of polyglossia is in use its not in its own packages
[22:59] <godbyk> aha
[22:59] <godbyk> yeah, they didn't have ccicons packaged either.
[23:00] <godbyk> so that's a package that's missing.
[23:00] <godbyk> it's pretty new.
[23:00] <ubuntujenkins> ok how can i install just that using the script?
[23:00] <godbyk> if you look in the .log file, and search for polyglossia, it should tell you the version, fwiw.
[23:00] <godbyk> I don't think the script installs ccicons anymore.
[23:00] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: but if you go to ctan.org/pkg/ccicons
[23:00] <godbyk> you can download a zip file
[23:01] <godbyk> hmm.. actually, that may be slightly painful.
[23:01] <godbyk> the old install-pkgs.sh script installed it for you. if you look at the bzr history, you can find a copy. :)
[23:02] <ubuntujenkins> are ok. will do also wheres the .log file i need to look in?
[23:02] <godbyk> wherever you tried to compile from.
[23:02] <ubuntujenkins> I used synaptic
[23:03] <godbyk> what is it that said ccicons.sty not found?
[23:04] <ubuntujenkins> no make said that. I am looking for the log to find the the polyglossia version
[23:05] <godbyk> right.
[23:05] <godbyk> so in the directiory from which you ran make should be a .log file.
[23:06] <godbyk> main.log if you ran make with no arguments.
[23:06] <godbyk> that's basically the full log of all the output xelatex gives you when it runs.
[23:06] <ubuntujenkins> are right got it
[23:12] <c7p> night all
[23:12] <ubuntujenkins> night c7p
[23:13] <ubuntujenkins> am i going mad godbyk ?
[23:13] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: ah, I see.
[23:13] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: polyglossia is loaded after ccicons.
[23:13] <godbyk> so since it's dying on ccicons, it's not getting to polyglossia.
[23:13] <godbyk> if you hit Enter to continue past the ccicons error, it should continue to compile, though.
[23:14] <godbyk> or you can comment out the \RequirePackage{ccicons} line in ubuntu-manual.cls temporarily.
[23:14] <ubuntujenkins> ok well i can't install ccions using the script so i have scipt it
[23:15] <ubuntujenkins> the next error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/424256/
[23:17] <ubuntujenkins> the install-script.log is http://paste.ubuntu.com/424257/
[23:19] <godbyk> right, that error is because you commented out the ccicons line -- it doesn't know what the \ccbysa command means.
[23:19] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: does 'which xindy' return anything?
[23:20] <godbyk> if not, then xindy may not be in the packages either.
[23:20] <godbyk> it's used to generate the glossary and index.
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: I see you asked in #launchpad have you tried #launchpad-dev
[23:20] <dutchie> thumper said it was the Right Channel
[23:20] <godbyk> also see if 'makeglossaries' returns anything.  if not, it means the glossaries stuff isn't in the packages.
[23:20] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can we try and work out why i can't install ccicons
[23:20] <dutchie> I think #launchpad-dev is for developing LP itself
[23:20] <godbyk> sure.
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: true just a thought. tried doctormo himself he is around in #ubuntu-app-devel
[23:22] <thumper> ?
[23:22] <thumper> whazzup?
[23:23] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: edit the install-pkgs.sh file.
[23:23] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: search for 'Main loop'
[23:23] <godbyk> immediately after that comment, add:
[23:23] <godbyk> install_ccicons
[23:23] <godbyk> exit 0
[23:23] <ubuntujenkins> I think dutchie was mentioning you in passing thumper he is trying to sort out oauth/openid
[23:23] <thumper> dutchie: #launchpad-dev is for launchpad developers
[23:23] <godbyk> and then you can run the ./install-pkgs.sh script to install the ccicons package
[23:24] <ubuntujenkins> ok godbyk I will give it ago
[23:24] <thumper> dutchie: whether they be canonical people or other
[23:24] <dutchie> so should I ask my question in there?
[23:25] <thumper> dutchie: what type of questions?
[23:26]  * ubuntujenkins runs make
[23:26] <dutchie> 22:14:49 < dutchie> what I want to do is write a custom bug form for the ubuntu manual project. the bit I'm having trouble  with is authenticating into LP to actually report the bug. I think the main problem is my complete lack of  understanding of oauth/openid
[23:26] <thumper> dutchie: if it has to do with open id then the guy to ping is salgado
[23:26] <thumper> what do you mean by custom bug form?
[23:26] <dutchie> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/custom-bug-form
[23:27] <thumper> dutchie: if it is from your website, then you just need to have saved credentials for the user that the server is using
[23:28] <thumper> dutchie: you probably want the bugs to be registered by someone one the manual team on behalf of the form submitter
[23:28] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: it runs to the end and i get a 158 page manual but i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/424260/
[23:28] <thumper> dutchie: so the form submitter doesn't need to have a login
[23:28] <thumper> dutchie: does that sound reasonable to you?
[23:28] <dutchie> thumper: it does
[23:28] <thumper> dutchie: ok, launchpadlib allows the saving of credentials
[23:28] <ubuntujenkins> but they don't get karma
[23:29] <thumper> dutchie: you have your script that files the bug to load those credentials
[23:29] <thumper> dutchie: then submit the bug
[23:29] <dutchie> thumper: I was originally going for having the user sign in with their own LP credentials
[23:29] <thumper> ubuntujenkins: who doesn't?
[23:29] <ubuntujenkins> the original submitter
[23:29] <thumper> dutchie: harder
[23:29] <dutchie> yeah
[23:29] <thumper> ubuntujenkins: you are right
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> It would be nice if they could.
[23:30] <thumper> dutchie: the oauth redirect and token acceptance is what would be required
[23:30] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yeah, it needs xindy to generate the glossary and index.
[23:30] <godbyk> and before, the install-pkgs.sh script said it couldn't find xindy.
[23:30] <dutchie> thumper: so where would I redirect to?
[23:30] <thumper> ubuntujenkins: what if your users don't have a lp login?
[23:30] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk:  right so we are missing xindy and ccicons
[23:31] <dutchie> I could just have an optional LP-id field
[23:31] <dutchie> best of both worlds
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> thumper: true we should give them a i don't have a launchpad account button
[23:31] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: so far. :)
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: how do i install xindy then?
[23:31] <thumper> dutchie: except that you either use LP or launchpadlib to file a bug
[23:32] <thumper> dutchie: and to file a but for someone else you'd need their credentials, or a token which gives you write permission
[23:32] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: http://ctan.org/pkg/xindy
[23:32] <thumper> dutchie: personally I think that's bad
[23:32] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: you can grab a tarball here: http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/indexing/xindy/
[23:32] <dutchie> thumper: why?
[23:32] <thumper> dutchie: karma isn't so important as filing a useful bug
[23:32] <thumper> dutchie: I'm not going to authorize a token your site can use to write stuff as me
[23:33] <thumper> dutchie: I'm sure there are many who think like that
[23:33] <dutchie> fair enough
[23:33] <thumper> if you want a custom form, I suggest you have one user who the bugs are filed as
[23:33] <dutchie> surely there isn't much harm in making it optional though?
[23:33] <thumper> that user saves launchpadlib credentials
[23:33] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: xindy-kernel-3.0 right. don't want to do it all twice
[23:33] <thumper> dutchie: I'm not sure how easy it is to implement
[23:34] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: the one I have installed is:
[23:34] <godbyk> $ xindy --version
[23:34] <godbyk> xindy release: unknown
[23:34] <godbyk> xindy script version: 1.13
[23:34] <godbyk> xindy kernel version: 2.3
[23:34] <godbyk> xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2
[23:34] <godbyk> CLISP version 2.48 (2009-07-28) (built on pcl321.mppmu.mpg.de [134.107.3.54])
[23:34] <godbyk>     architecture: X86_64
[23:34] <dutchie> wouldn't be too hard, if I could get the oauth thing working
[23:34] <godbyk> that's what texlive-2009 shipped with.
[23:34] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks godbyk i will use 2.3
[23:36] <dutchie> we could use the UMP persona for this :)
[23:36] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: I was thinking more ubuntu-manual-bug but yea we could
[23:37] <dutchie> heh
[23:37] <dutchie> I'll slepp on it, I think
[23:37] <dutchie> night
[23:37] <godbyk> dutchie: not gonna hang around for the launch?
[23:37] <ubuntujenkins> night dutchie
[23:39] <daker> good night dutchie
[23:41] <ChrisWoollard> night all
[23:41] <ubuntujenkins> night ChrisWoollard
[23:41] <daker> night ChrisWoollard
[23:43] <ubuntujenkins> hehe godbyk I like to be difficult it make for xindy fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/424266/ . I don't compile form source much. I am right in thinking that its because i am 64 bit?
[23:47] <godbyk> It looks like maybe a test failed or something. it's hard to tell from that log.  anything useful in the minitests.out file?
[23:48] <ubuntujenkins> there is no file of that name
[23:49] <godbyk> let me try to compile it here. see if I get the same thing.
[23:49] <ubuntujenkins> the web site says there is 12 hour 10 mins to go
[23:50] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[23:50] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yeah, I think it's 1. counting toward noon instead of 00:01 UTC, and 2. using your local time zone.
[23:50] <ubuntujenkins> are makes sense
[23:51] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: did you just run ./configure and then make?
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[23:51] <godbyk> any special args I need to specify?
[23:51] <ubuntujenkins> not as far as i know
[23:51] <godbyk> 'kay. running make now.
[23:52] <daker> godbyk, ubuntujenkins the countdown is set to 29 april 12:00
[23:52] <ubuntujenkins> I see daker
[23:52] <daker> not 29 april 00:00
[23:53] <ubuntujenkins> and it uses local time as apparently we have 8 mins to go but that should be 1 hour 8
[23:53] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: you'll be pleased to know that I got the same error compiling.
[23:53] <godbyk> let me poke around and see what it's doing
[23:54] <ubuntujenkins> not just me for once
[23:54] <daker> are you sure it merges ?
[23:55] <ubuntujenkins> current time for me daker http://imagebin.org/94879 note the clock in the top
[23:56] <daker> ubuntujenkins, you are in GMT ?
[23:56] <daker> godbyk, are you sure it merges ?
[23:56] <ubuntujenkins> daker:  nope bst
[23:57] <godbyk> daker: lemme check
[23:57] <godbyk> daker: ah, it failed to merge.
[23:57] <godbyk> lemme fix it real quick.
[23:57] <godbyk> maybe we should put the db connection stuff into a config-db.php file and include('config-db.php') in config.php?
[23:58] <godbyk> then we won't have conflicts if you edit config.php
[23:58] <daker> oki