[00:06] Okay, everyone. I'm setting the manual up on the publishing site and I need a list of keywords (for search purposes). Feel free to just toss out whatever you can think of. [00:09] I swiped the ones daker put on the website and added a couple: Ubuntu Manual, Ubuntu, lucid, lynx, 10.04, lucid lynx, help, documentation, book, pdf, ebook, free, open source [00:13] user guide [00:16] ooh, good one! [00:17] hi all [00:17] so what should I do, ship to popey? [00:18] handbook [00:18] That's entirely up to you. [00:18] godbyk: heh "more from the Ubuntu Manual Team:" "Shiny Happy Users" [00:19] humphreybc: lovely. [00:19] I s'pose since I published both of them or something. [00:20] heh [00:20] ChrisWoollard: you live in the UK right? [00:20] yes [00:21] humphreybc: don't order yet. [00:21] let me double-check a couple things. [00:21] could you please PM me your address, just so I can plug it in to the cart and see how much shipping in the UK will be? [00:21] I'm not ordering yet [00:21] just seeing how much it will cost me for more than one :) [00:21] I'll get popey's address later, he'll be asleep now [00:21] as in postal [00:21] ChrisWoollard: yep that would be good [00:21] don't worry I'm not going to send anything to you! [00:22] I just need a UK address to get to the next checkout screen so I can see prices [00:22] interesting: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/ubuntu-desktop-course---student-guide/5968838?productTrackingContext=product_view/related_items/left/1 [00:22] sent [00:23] godbyk: 60 bucks! [00:24] holy moses shipping is expensive [00:24] christ I don't even know if I can afford it [00:24] $48.65 USD for expedited [00:25] humphreybc: yeah, that's why you're not ordering yet. [00:25] is something going to change? [00:25] I need to make sure that's not the only-printed-in-the-US version. [00:25] bear with me.. lulu is making things more difficult for me than they should. :) [00:26] I have to unpublish this book and go through the whole process again to fix the license. [00:26] stupid lulu [00:27] humphreybc: yeah, the cheap-paper edition I linked you to is printed in the US only. [00:27] give me a couple minutes to fix up the real book and we'll see how cheap it is for you to ship [00:27] I thought cheap paper was also printed in the UK? [00:28] https://support.lulu.com/View.jsp?procId=e54777c589bdded765014fd54d4b9175&authToken=4164df01beab240156676552dfc16d57&forceLogout=true&locale=en_US [00:28] it only ships from the US, it says. [00:29] much, much cheaper to ship that book to the US [00:29] I plugged in Martin's address in Boston and it's given me $10 for expedited [00:30] maybe i should just ship it to Martin, but faster [00:31] Anyway. I am tired. It is late. Again.... And I need to work tomorrow. Night all. [00:31] G'night, ChrisWoollard. [00:31] Humphreybc: Feel free to sendme stuff ;) [00:32] WHY DO THEY GET ME TO ENTER IN MY CC DETAILS BEFORE SHOWING ME THE TOTAL COST [00:33] Hmmm. Maybe I will end up with free stuff then..... [00:33] so it's gonna cost me $44 to get two copies to Martin in Boston, or it would be about $65 to get two copies to Alan in the UK [00:33] that's NZD [00:34] * humphreybc thinks Mark should just buy me a copy of my own dang book [00:34] What's it in USD? [00:35] 32 [00:36] 32 USD = 44 NZD apparently [00:37] well, that's not so bad for two copies shipped super-quickly. [00:37] yeah [00:37] that's to the US [00:37] so are you re-uploading? [00:38] I think those to links should be okay now. [00:38] could you link it again, just to make sure [00:38] It wasn't the PDF that was the problem, it was the metadata (specifically, the license was set to a standard copyright instead of the CC license). [00:39] I PMed the links to you. [00:39] huh? [00:39] gah. [00:39] I got that email [00:39] I sent them to humphreybc1, apparently. [00:39] is that what you mean? [00:39] oh [00:39] heh [00:39] just a sec [00:39] no, i'm humphreybc :P [00:40] did you get them this time? [00:40] yep [00:47] Here are PDFs of that Ubuntu Desktop Guide that's on lulu: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training/PDFs [00:48] yeah, i've seen them before [00:48] they're old and boring [00:48] ah [01:26] HOLY CRAP BATMAN!!! LESS THAN 24 HOURS TILL RELEASE [04:23] godbyk: ping [04:23] happyaron: pong [04:23] godbyk: I just asked people in my team, they suggest wqy-microhei for titles, ukai for text in zh_CN [04:24] godbyk: and prefer to have these fonts embeded to PDF file [04:24] Cool. I'll use those, then. [04:24] The fonts will be embedded in the PDF. [04:26] godbyk: wqy-micorhei can be found here http://sourceforge.net/projects/wqy/files/ [04:27] godbyk: we prefer to use the latest microhei release because it's still under development [04:27] Okay, I'll be sure to grab it from sourceforge then. [04:28] godbyk: and for ukai, it's available in ubuntu's repository [04:28] And the version of Ukai from the repositories is okay to use? [04:28] Or should I download a later version from someplace? [04:29] godbyk: ttf-arphic-ukai package is okay [04:30] 'kay. [04:30] godbyk: for English fonts, up to your choice, heh [04:31] Fair enough. :) [04:33] :) [04:44] another question, which series we should translate, e1 or e2? [04:44] happyaron: Well, e1 is in a string freeze, so it's stable to translate. [04:45] We're going to start editing e2 next week, so the strings will be changing out from under you all the time. [04:45] You're welcome to translate whichever you prefer, but with e2 you risk having to translate the same paragraph repeatedly as it's edited. [04:46] godbyk: then when will e2 be string freeze? [04:46] Let me look. [04:46] godbyk: are we having a meeting about e2 this week or next week? [04:46] happyaron: i think e2 will hit string freeze around about june/july [04:47] most likely june [04:47] Yeah, I don't see a specific date right off. I think we're planning to release e2 on July 29. [04:47] ok, thx [04:48] The string freeze for Maverick will be on August 20. And the release for Maverick will be Oct 29. [04:48] oh [04:48] we're actually cutting it quite close to fit two releases into one cycle [04:48] in fact, we still haven't had an plan for Maverick [04:49] I think most of the e2 changes will be bug fixes we didn't have time to get to in e1. [04:49] for Lucid it's a LTS version, so we'd like to have a good one for it first [04:49] So it may be best to translate e1 and then skip e2 and translate Maverick. I'm not really sure. [04:49] Right. [04:50] so we arent planning on adding in sections like wubi and ubuntu one for e2? [04:50] I don't know what all is going into e2. [04:50] I haven't put any thought into it yet. I've been focused solely on e1 lately. :-) [04:51] humphreybc: should we have a meeting soon about e2? [04:51] If someone writes the content for wubi and ubuntu one, we could add it. [04:51] godbyk: yea, so have we all [04:51] don't look at me! [04:51] hmmm, well id like to do some more work on the glossary and my chapter [04:52] for e2 of course :) [04:52] i think we should gather some data and feedback on this release before we have a meeting to decide what to stick in e2 [04:52] humphreybc: so survey? [04:52] so then we can make informed decisions at the meeting :) [04:52] yeah, survey, download stats, ra ra ra [04:52] yea, good point [04:52] ill have a think about some questions we need to ask then [04:54] * nisshh is thinking alot, then going to college soon! [04:59] godbyk: how are the german and galician PDFs coming along? [04:59] Galician compiled without any problems. [04:59] nice [04:59] (We also have to make sure the screenshots are all set.) [04:59] stick it somewhere so we can see [04:59] The German one hates me and I'm trying to figure out why. [05:00] * happyaron sorry, a question, how to submit screenshots [05:00] humphreybc: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/builds/ubuntu-manual-gl.pdf [05:01] * happyaron didn't see any instruction [05:01] When you have no screenshots, the manual is only 773 Kb. :) [05:01] happyaron: We're using a program called Quickshot to take the screenshots. [05:01] happyaron: http://ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot [05:01] godbyk: howcome there are no screenshots in Galician? yet to add them in? [05:02] humphreybc: right. because they're not in the lucid-e1 branch yet. [05:02] humphreybc: and it will upload automatically? [05:02] happyaron: Yes, Quickshot will upload the screenshots automatically. [05:02] happyaron: yup. We wrote it to make it awesome. [05:02] good [05:02] yes [05:02] godbyk: wow, the title page looks shit [05:02] just the text [05:02] "Comezar con Ubuntu 10.04" [05:03] humphreybc: yeah, 'cause I'm on karmic. [05:03] humphreybc: and inkscape on karmic sucks. [05:03] ah, okay [05:03] humphreybc: it looks a lot nicer when I compile under lucid. [05:03] that is so awesome how it's in Galician. [05:03] * humphreybc is beaming [05:04] get the screenshots in there and compile it under lucid so it looks even better! [05:04] I have to wait for one of the quickshot guys to do the screenshot stuff. [05:04] I'm going to see if I can get the German one to work. [05:04] nice [05:04] It's complaining about \acronym{OS~X}. The tilde is getting mangled somehow. [05:13] Nice, my tweet calling for more followers to reach our 500 followers target on twitter has been re-tweeted 14 times in an hour [05:14] we've got 480 followers now [05:20] Weird.. the listings package is causing the problem. [05:21] We're not using it right now, so it's not a real problem.. [05:21] but I'm going to spend some time investigating it at some point to see what's up. [05:29] http://www.facebook.com/events/edit/index.php?eid=116659145028256&step=1#!/event.php?eid=116659145028256 [05:30] I presume when the real website replaces the countdown timer, the nav bar will gain the "Downloads" entry? [05:30] Or are we not going to use "Downloads" yet since we only have one version [05:31] okay, the countdown is not magical. [05:31] it has no function other than counting down. [05:31] huh? [05:32] lol yes [05:32] nothing will happen automatically. [05:32] i know [05:32] :) [05:32] okay. [05:32] just making sure. :) [05:32] but when it reaches zero we need to have some l33t timing [05:32] Well, it'll hit 0 for you before it hits 0 for me. [05:32] So the countdown is kinda silly. [05:32] this is true [05:32] hmm [05:33] oh well [05:33] when it hits zero for me, we should switch it.. coz i'm +12 so i'll be one of the first people for it to hit zero [05:33] if that makes sense [07:16] Hey, IlyaHaykinson_. How's it going? [07:18] * IlyaHaykinson_ waves to godbyk [07:18] good [07:18] busy :| [07:18] meeting with my HCI friend on Thu [07:19] re the research project [07:19] how's the lulu thing? [07:19] cool [07:19] I think I've got Lulu ready to go. [07:19] Everything's uploaded. [07:19] humphreybc even ordered a couple copies for himself already. [07:19] way cool [07:19] send me a link, so will I [07:19] I'm just waiting a day before I make the catalog entry public. [07:21] heh. at one point, lulu had sued my company. [07:21] Oh yeah? Over what? [07:21] naming [07:21] i work at Hulu [07:21] ;) [07:22] Ha! [07:22] but, well, we settled that amicably [07:22] That's good to hear. [07:23] I'm currently going through the German translation and fixing all the little LaTeX-related typos (so it compiles cleanly). [07:23] It's mindless, and a bit boring. [07:24] IlyaHaykinson_: Have you put any thought into what we should try to get done for the second edition? [07:24] is there any way, on the landing page at lulu, to make the title page screenshot have a black border? [07:24] right now it blends into the page [07:25] re lucid-e2, not too much thought beyond the email that i had sent before. but, to some degree, i think some of the research work should help with that. [07:25] i think we certainly have bugs in the manual -- those are easy enough to fix. [07:25] I don't think so. It generates that from the wrap-around cover that we upload. [07:26] we also have serious holes in content (things we gloss over, things we omit when we shouldn't by any means) [07:27] Yeah, I agree with that. [07:27] so i figure mainly it's about "getting to 100%" with what we have [07:28] That's pretty much what I had in mind, too. [07:28] moring all [07:28] * IlyaHaykinson_ waves to ubuntujenkins [07:29] though i think you meant "morning", not "moring" [07:29] I'd also like to flesh out the index and glossary. [07:29] unless that's a cross between morning and boring [07:29] ? [07:29] lol i meant morning [07:29] godbyk: yes. i think those are components of "100%" for sure [07:30] ooh. [07:30] hm, i just realized one thing missing from the manual (unless i misremember) [07:30] is a URL to download a copy [07:30] IlyaHaykinson_: Check the copyright page. [07:30] i.e. is http://www.ubuntu-manual.org anywhere in the manual? [07:30] oh. [07:31] I just added some text to the copyright pages earlier today. [07:31] http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/copyright-screen.pdf [07:31] http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/copyright-print.pdf [07:31] (I removed the spurious comma after 'and'.) [07:32] There's also a half-title page for the book version and a colophon for both (which lists the typefaces and software we used). [07:32] way to go! [07:34] Here's the print version of the PDF: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/manuals/getting-started-with-ubuntu/10.04/en_US/print/Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04.pdf [07:34] (with the spaces, you'll have to make it a url yourself. :-)) [07:35] hm, interesting. the "Getting Started with OpenOffice.org 3.x" is 442 pages long [07:36] Yeah, there's also a $60 Ubuntu Desktop Course book. [07:37] the OO.o book is CC-licensed though [07:37] and thus we can reuse content from it [07:37] if we wanted to. [07:37] Cool. [07:38] So's the one I pointed out. [07:38] godbyk: which screenshots do you want as a prority? [07:38] ubuntujenkins: Hmm.. we should probably just take them in the same order as the translations progress. [07:39] So German and Galician are the top two right now, I think. [07:39] oh. are there any ways to clarify the license on lulu? [07:39] The Galician manual compiles okay (sans screenshots). The German one has a slew of bugs I'm trying to fix. [07:39] right now it says "standard copyright license" at the bottom [07:39] have you uploaded to google? [07:39] *hulu [07:39] lulu [07:39] IlyaHaykinson_: Yeah, that's in error. [07:40] IlyaHaykinson_: I manually specified the license as CC-BY-SA 3.0 Unported (because they only had old 2.0 CC licenses). [07:40] cononical have chnaged the home page AGAIN [07:40] IlyaHaykinson_: And I think since it was a 'custom' license, it uses that standard copyright entry or something silly [07:40] I may have to email them about it. [07:40] godbyk: i see. [07:49] godbyk: can you please remove 04-bluetooth-left-click@es@1272023452.png from the server [07:49] ubuntujenkins: done [07:50] thanks [07:52] and this one please godbyk 08-display-properties-confirm@es@1270464688.png [07:53] ubuntujenkins: done [07:53] all of the screenshots so far can be found https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots [07:53] everything s uptodate with all people have taken [07:55] cool [07:56] I know the glacien ones are being finished today [07:57] Awesome. [07:57] I think there's only a couple Galician and a couple German ones left. [07:57] both the harder ones [07:59] godbyk: have you uploaded to lulu? [08:00] Yep. [08:00] dam new start page is http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/03-ubuntu-start-firefox@gl@1272368086.png [08:01] I will fix it in all the screenshots this afternoon. I have lectures most of the morning [08:01] There's a different start page now, too? [08:01] Yay. [08:01] They should, I dunno, STOP TOUCHING THINGS! [08:01] :) [08:02] I shouted about it 10 minutes ago and i agree STOP TOUCHING THINGS [08:04] Don't they know we're trying to work here? [08:14] Hey, thorwil. lulu didn't complain about your cover at all, so I'm assuming it's all good. :) [08:15] godbyk: hi, cool [08:24] oh wow, "progress" on the logo front: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official?action=diff&rev1=50&rev2=51 [08:24] lol [08:24] nice [08:25] They're a day late and a dollar short for this release, though. :) [08:27] godbyk: if i though they would really think about it, i would have to be insulated by the insistence to not hand out that one asset to me before the guidelines are done. like i rape it somehow [08:27] like i would, even [08:28] Yeah, I doubt they're giving our project any thought at the moment. [08:41] * popey waves [08:41] hello popey [08:43] alright, l8r folks [08:43] bye IlyaHaykinson_ [08:46] * ubuntujenkins texlive still downloading 6gb and 32 hours so far [08:49] I am suprised my laptop has stayed usable for this long [08:49] * ubuntujenkins runs to lectures [09:30] okay, what's happening team? [09:31] nothing much [09:32] godbyk, screenshots in the Galician manual? [09:32] I haven't done anything with screenshots yet. [09:32] what have you done? :P [09:32] I don't want to give anyone the impression that it's done, either. :) [09:32] 511 followers on twitter now [09:32] Well, I spent a good deal of time fixing all but two of the bugs in the German translation. [09:33] I have to do a bit of research to solve the last couple. [09:33] What've you been up to? :) [09:33] cool [09:33] went and got fish and chips, ate those with flatmates, had some beers, played some XBOX and started watching Pulp Fiction [09:34] sounds like you're not getting much work done. :-P [09:34] to be totally honest, there doesn't appear to be much work to do [09:34] well, i suppose I could start adding stuff to e2 but... meh. later [09:34] :P [09:34] you could start making a list of things we need to add to e2. [09:35] I could, yes [09:35] also someone needs to go through the bug spreadsheet and bring it up to date so we know what's left to fix in e2. [09:35] yea [09:35] bah! [09:35] There's always plenty of work to do. :-) [09:35] i know i know [09:43] humphreybc: what? your running out of work to do on the manual?? Is that possible?? [09:44] nisshh: just for this release [09:44] everything is in the hands of godbyk and daker now, i'm afraid [09:44] yea [09:44] I think all my work is done. [09:45] Lulu is ready. I just have to make it public. [09:45] fun [09:45] so where's daker? [09:45] The PDFs have been uploaded to the website. Daker just needs to get the download stuff going. [09:45] meh, pity im broke otherwise id order a cpy too [09:45] cop* [09:45] I'll try to help Daker if he needs it, but I haven't seen him and I don't know what he's up to. [09:45] copy* [10:44] * popey pokes humphreybc [10:44] Dude! Where's my podcast? [10:44] hi popey [10:44] No idea! [10:44] :( [10:44] Joey had a girl around last night [10:44] O RLY? [10:44] hence couldn't edit it or something [10:44] your mum? [10:44] ho ho ho [10:44] yeah, i made sure everyone knew [10:44] me so funny [10:45] HA! what a young joke :P [10:45] lol [10:45] so i dunno, he's got a doctors appointment this morning and then he'll be back soon i guess [10:45] in other news, ordered a T-shirt yet? :) [10:45] nope, i have not! Kinda hoping Jono would just bring like, 500, and give them out to everyone for free [10:45] .. [10:45] haha [10:46] no, that wont happen [10:46] bollocks [10:46] you do get special UDS t-shirts though [10:46] which aren't in the store [10:46] will i be able to score free merchandise from UDS though? [10:46] one t-shirt, yes :) [10:46] pens, stamps, coffee mugs, lucid CDs? [10:46] and as many CDs as you can carry [10:46] no [10:46] darn [10:46] stickers too usually [10:46] CDs are okay [10:46] stickers too [10:47] I decided to ship the books to doctormo in Boston, it's cheaper and I think they'll make it. Thanks for your offer of looking after em for me :) [10:47] last time for UDS Lucid Lynx they also brought a load of Lynx body sprays :) [10:47] yeah, smart move [10:47] Meerkat body sprays? [10:47] hmm [10:47] maybe shaving cream [10:47] well, it made sense given it was Lucid Lynx [10:47] and welcome given geeks smell :) [10:47] haha [10:48] I hope Martin doesn't snore [10:48] they time the t-shirts for wednesday/thursday when people start to smell most [10:48] Oh did Amber speak to you? [10:48] Hehe, well, Brussels is a lot colder than Dallas, right? [10:48] :P [10:48] heh [10:48] btw, what sort of clothes should I pack? [10:48] well, you're inside all the time [10:49] dallas wasnt that warm [10:49] http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/37?&search=brussels&itemsPerPage=10®ion=world [10:49] I see you're coming in on Sunday evening, I'll already be there waiting for ya in the reception! haha [10:49] :D [10:49] I wanted to get one of them blame popey T shirts [10:49] Dallas has too much wind! [10:49] but it costs an arm and a leg to ship anything to NZ [10:50] Brussels temp looks similar to what it's like down here [10:51] popey: my friend (beer connoisseur) has instructed me that I have to taste this particular beer [10:52] "Man, you have to try Westvleteren, the 6th and smallest of the Trappist breweries. Incredibly rare beer, 3 styles. http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm Bring me one back if you can!!!" [10:52] http://www.sintsixtus.be/eng/brouwerij.htm [10:53] "The Westvleteren "Trappist" is sold exclusively at the abbey store, and only after having made a reservation by telephone " [10:53] a reservation!? [10:53] there's way too much beer in brussels to tie yourself to one [10:53] so many options, and many are great [10:53] I figured that [10:53] we'll have to do some pub crawls then [10:53] http://www.tiac.net/~tjd/bier/belglist.html [10:54] nice! [10:54] there's a few 12% in there [10:54] * humphreybc 's pub crawl might end early if he has too many of them [10:55] people tend not to crawl in .be [10:55] given every bar has every beer :) [10:55] :O [10:55] people tend to find a good spot in one bar and stay there [10:55] IME [10:55] nice [10:55] should be good [10:55] although it's a long stumble back to the hotel [10:56] trams [10:56] the pics of the hotel almost look as if it's out in the country? [10:56] plus there is often a coach laid on [10:56] and do trams run all night? [10:56] dunno [10:56] haha [10:56] i guess we'll find out [10:56] you're excited then? :) [10:57] you doing interviews for omg? [10:57] yeah, it should be awesome. Won't really hit home till I'm on the plane, I spose. Been a while since I've been overseas. [10:57] Not presently, but we might do in the future [10:57] we'd like to :) [10:58] i meant at UDS [10:58] oh right [10:58] probably not audio ones coz I don't have the gear with me [10:58] if I can scavenge some gear, sure. But I'll definitely be covering it [10:59] we're probably going to do a couple of podcasts and a lot of blog posts, i'll be snapping pics too [10:59] Would have been much better if Joey came [10:59] yeah, shame he cant [10:59] he's definitely going to come to UDS-N though [11:00] did Amber ping you? [11:05] ya [11:05] should arrange a skype call soon [12:14] humphreybc: when you get bored can you do some quickshot mock ups please . I am trying to do the design in glade and it looks bad [12:15] ubuntujenkins: don't ever miss with glade unless you know exactly what is supposed to go where already [12:16] thorwil: I thought i did but it all looks so bad. works on the power point i did but not in glade. [12:17] ubuntujenkins: how does it fail in glade? [12:18] it looks no where near as good as i thought it would [12:20] heh [12:20] okay Luke, i'll do it next week if I have time [12:21] * humphreybc just had a rather alternative/indie style jam session with flatmates [12:21] thanks humphreybc also is the wwubi screenshot still in the manual? [12:21] nope [12:27] psst, everyone, popey's gone... let's have a party! [12:27] galician screenshots complete [12:38] hi [12:38] hello zleap [12:38] hello sebsebseb [12:38] just joined [12:38] would the following be useful for the manual [12:38] http://www.zleap.net/portfolio.php [12:38] joe text editor command reference [12:40] possibly to advanced for the manual at the moment. I can't remember if we mention gedit even. What would you like to help with? [12:41] ubuntujenkins: I just refered zleap from #ubuntu [12:42] thnaks sebsebseb I better join the channel and an ubunt manaul as highlighting [12:42] ubuntujenkins: what was that? [12:42] not sure, when its out I will see if i can put something in, [12:42] or contribute ideas / screen shots etc [12:43] really there should be a factoid in ubottu for the manual, and also that makes it clear that it's from Canonical I guess :) [12:43] well jussi for example could sort that out [12:43] when i ping you your irc client flashes. when someone mentions quickshot my irc client flashes [12:43] zleap: let me find you a link [12:43] grumble [12:43] k [12:43] jussi: uh I typed that wrong [12:44] jussi: makes it clear, that it's not from Canonical [12:44] i have a copy here its beta, [12:44] sebsebseb: you know the drill, suggest the factoid aas norma and we will evaluate it.. [12:44] ]what does "factoid ass norma" mean? [12:45] jussi: I don't bother with factoid suggestion stuff in pm with ubottu or however it's offically meant to be done. I may suggest to an op about this and that factoid at the time. Anyway I guess the manual factoid someone that ideally has contributed quite a bit to this project should come up with, so that's not me. [12:46] jussi: why got rid of the 01 by the way in your IRC nick? [12:46] sebsebseb: thats the way we do factoids... [12:46] sebsebseb: My name is jussi... [12:46] ;) [12:46] jussi: yes, but you had 01 in your nick as well [12:47] before [12:47] sebsebseb: this nick finally became available. but its offtopic for here. moving on. [12:47] !ot [12:47] Best to keep this channel mainly on topic! [12:47] jussi: yeah yeah, and I come up with that factoid suggestion for this channel :) [12:50] hello sebsebseb [12:51] hello semioticrobotic [12:51] sorry sebsebseb wrong person [12:52] ubuntujenkins: np [12:52] ok np [12:56] hi ubuntujenkins [12:56] how are things? [13:01] wooo! one more day! [13:22] I am good semioticrobotic you? [13:22] not bad at all [13:22] looking forward to tomorrow's release [13:23] its going to be exciting :) [13:24] I won't be able to perform an upgrade for several days (too much going on at school), but I am excited [13:25] upgrades are always painful if stuff breaks. i like clean installs. A seperate home always help [13:25] yeah. I never do anything but a clean install [13:25] saves more time, in the long run, than upgrading and trying to tweak [13:26] this is the first time I've had to migrate keypairs, however, so I'm trying to discern th best way to do that [13:26] looks like the command line is the easiest way [13:26] given what I've read and what others have graciously told me [13:26] you will have to tell me how you do on that keys have been a pain for me [13:27] not looking forward to it [13:27] but I'll be sure to report my success (or failure) after the install [13:27] hate to run, but a few of my students are shooting a video on he impending zombie apocalypse, and they've asked me to play a small role ... time for filming [13:28] heh [13:28] should be fun [13:28] hope you have a great day, ubuntujenkins. [13:28] and you semioticrobotic have fun filming/acting [13:33] * ubuntujenkins omg texlive svn branch has finished, it only took 36 hours to download 7.0 GB [14:05] anyone good with perl? [14:06] ha! [14:06] no [14:06] :P [14:06] what do you need [14:06] don't ha I am trying to build texlive packages [14:07] i have been know to do a little [14:07] ChrisWoollard: I wil just paste bin some stuff [14:07] ubuntujenkins: really, what for? [14:07] us! [14:07] for....? [14:08] so people can use appa and not the texlive way [14:09] ChrisWoollard: running this script http://paste.ubuntu.com/423980/ i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/423981/ this is the change log http://paste.ubuntu.com/423979/ [14:10] ignore the first two lines even with out those there it fails the same. [14:10] of the change log [14:16] the strange thing is if i empty the changelog then the script works [14:19] hmmm [14:19] sorry proably a bit complex for irc [14:20] I think that makes sense [14:20] what is it testing for in the change log file? [14:20] if the file is empty I don't think it would parse the foreach on line 164 [14:22] If i have an empty change log does that mean some of the script doesn't run? [14:22] ie do i lose anything important [14:23] i think that if the log file is empty lines 164 through to 178 wouldn't run [14:24] I am thinking that there is probably a problem with the regex on 169 [14:24] which is probably why it is erroring [14:25] I do have to say that regex's are a bugger at times [14:25] those lines don't appear to do anything at least as far as i can tell. [14:26] not much. looks like a big of error checking [14:27] good good thanks for looking. now i have to work out how to generate a package to test [14:30] humphreybc, godbyk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/VisualIdentity . the orange is another and the geometry of the CoC has been changed. i don't intend to adjust our titlepage, as i prefer to keep internal consistency. after all, they didn't manage to keep the stuff already in lucid in snyc themselves, from what i have been told. [14:30] gone for garden work and cycling, bbl [14:31] It looks like it is pretty much just checking for the correct dists and that is the only real useful bit. [14:31] but that wouldn't stop it working [14:31] if it isn't there [14:31] you would just have t be careful what it is run against [14:32] I will probably try and get that stuff correct if these packages achive what we want. untill then i think a balnk change log is ok. thanks for you help [14:33] np [14:48] does anyone here use identi.ca? [18:30] hi all [18:33] Hello [18:49] hello all [18:49] hi ubuntujenkins :) [18:50] just the person I have a question let me find the link [18:50] hmm? [18:51] hemanth: if you look at http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~quickshotdevs/quickshot/quickshot/revision/238 and view the diff of the bottom file. Did you change that? or was it done automatically by quickly? I don't mind either way i was just interested. [18:52] ubuntujenkins, checking it out, page still loading [18:53] ubuntujenkins, its done by quickly, cos as you knew i was just working on the file in the bin dir [18:54] hemanth:thats what i thought, quickly broke it. the change was wrong what version are you using? [18:55] ubuntujenkins, now Quickly 0.4.2 [18:55] , then it was Quickly 0.4.1 [18:55] strange, don't worry we will just have to keep an eye on what gets changed. [18:56] okies, what is the next thinge that is planned b4 we hit the next millstone? [18:58] we need to get the gui design going i have made a start but. Its not going well so i have asked ben to do some mock ups. It doesn't look right in comparison with the power point i did [18:59] feel free to set up your own branch and have ago. Thats what i have done [19:23] ubuntujenkins, sure, sorry for the delay the notification is not working [19:23] hemanth: no problem [19:36] brb [20:06] godbyk: ping [20:12] Hey, ubuntujenkins, I'll be with you in just a bit. Going to hop in the shower. [20:12] cool godbyk-android no rush [20:23] oh my god [20:23] oauth does not look like fun : [20:23] ( [20:24] why are you looking at it? [20:24] for the bug form [20:24] ooo yea good luck bet its not as hard as packaging texlive [20:25] heh [21:14] * ubuntujenkins finishes correcting all the firefox homepages again. Thanks to cononical for that job [21:15] Hey, ubuntujenkins. I'm back now. Sorry for the delay. Got distracted. [21:16] Is it worth me taking the time to recompile the PDFs (for print and screen) with the new homepage? [21:17] We've got, what, less than two hours until release? :) [21:17] hey godbyk, I have just updated please do if we have time [21:17] 'kay. [21:17] I guess it's nearly four hours to go. [21:17] also can you make lucid-e1 work again i can't compile it. All of the translated screenshots are also ok [21:18] hmm, maybe i need openid instead of oauth [21:18] THIS IS TOO CONFUSING :( [21:18] godbyk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424201/ is the error [21:19] also I have some info on the texlive packages [21:19] when you finish the mountain of stuff i have just suggested :) [21:19] ubuntujenkins: Ah, I think I added thorwil's new title pages to just my branch and not the main branch. I'll look into it. [21:19] Heh. [21:19] Feel free to info-dump, if you like. [21:19] I'll be with you in about 5-10 minutes after I finish recompiling the PDFs. [21:20] I noticed that Canonical came out with the new branding guidelines today, too. [21:20] Too bad we needed them yesterday (literally). [21:20] no, it's definitely oauth [21:20] this is the most important one http://paste.ubuntu.com/424182/ and this i think tells us what is in the packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/424174/ or at least i think ( godbyk ) [21:21] * ubuntujenkins canonical can't make their mind up at all [21:25] hello [21:26] hello c7p how are you? [21:27] nice :D the translation of the manual is completed, 10.04 is released tomorrow .... it couldn't be greater :p, you ? [21:28] I am good, I am enjoying the end of the day [21:28] godbyk: have you done one last translation import? [21:28] dutchie: who? what? just a moment. re-uploading PDFs to get ubuntujenkins's updated screenshot in [21:29] Has anyone seen daker, btw? [21:29] Or am I going to have to panic and relearn php in 5 minutes? [21:30] not seen him sorry [21:32] string 206 [21:32] From left to right, these buttons \emph{close}, \emph{minimize}, and \emph{maximize} the window. [21:33] yep what about it? [21:33] on my windows it is maximize, minimize, close [21:33] what langauge? [21:33] greek [21:34] stupid complicated oauth [21:34] c7p: are you using a quickshot cd or a full lucid installation or what? [21:34] lucid installation, beta 1 [21:34] c7p: is greek left to right or right to left [21:35] are beta 1 [21:35] left to right [21:35] go system > apperence choose a different theme then choose the origianal again. [21:35] yeah [21:35] the theme made things complicated [21:35] thx [21:36] sorry how did it make it complicated [21:36] did i mess your computer up? [21:36] no [21:36] i used the dust theme [21:36] are ok panic over :) [21:37] and that caused the "bug" [21:37] now that i changed to the default theme, the buttons are on the right place [21:38] yey \0/ [21:38] lulu book updated [21:38] uploading PDFs to our site now [21:38] godbyk: wow i didn't expect lulu as well [21:39] I just had to upload the new PDF to their site and run through their wizard again. [21:39] Unfortunately, each time I do that, it changes the URL (as it's a new 'revision' of the book). [21:39] So then I have to add that new URL to the copyright page of the on-screen version. [21:40] (I should've just left it as 'find the book at lulu.com' instead of giving the full URL) [21:40] is it public I would like to work out the uk cost [21:40] it's not listed in the catalog yet, but I can send you the direct link. [21:40] one moment. [21:45] I didn't expect that to work :( [21:45] dutchie: have you looked at ground control for hints [21:45] ooh, good idea [21:45] ubuntujenkins: I'm adding those title pages to the repository. [21:46] (It's set to ignore the .pdf files in the titlepages/ dir, so that's why they weren't added previously.) [21:46] ubuntujenkins: they should be in the repo now. [21:46] let me know if you have any other problems compiling. [21:47] I guess I'll grab the latest code for the website and see if I can make sense of it. [21:47] thnaks godbyk compiles fine. [21:52] great [21:52] I am now going to try with the latest ubuntu packages. once i have removed texlive [21:53] I still can't build them my self yet. but i thought i would work out what is missing before i mail the mailing list [21:54] sounds like a plan [21:55] its no good if its a licence issue. The read me on making them is really good but some stuff is outdated. ie it talks about scripts that don't exists [21:57] i have another question godbyk, what lanaguge is this in http://paste.ubuntu.com/424223/ [21:57] it's a Makefile [21:57] ubuntujenkins: It's a Makefile. [21:58] So you'd run 'make target', where 'target' is one of those words that starts at the beginning of the line and ends in a colon. [21:58] (if you use bash, just type 'make ' and it'll autocomplete to show you the possibilities) [21:58] doh! ok this may make sense [22:12] godbyk: just found daker on facebook [22:13] cool. is he going to come into the irc channel? [22:13] he should be on in the sec [22:13] k [22:13] godbyk, the /ie and /eg abbreviations, should be translated ? (for example, /eg --(translation)-> word) [22:13] c7p: There are two options for \ie and \eg. [22:14] 1. You can email me the proper translations, and I'll make \ie and \eg spit out that translation (in which case you can leave the \ie and \eg commands as is). [22:14] hi [22:14] 2. You can remove the \ie and \eg commands and replace them with their translations. [22:14] Hey, daker! [22:14] what's up ? [22:14] hm let me see the .po file [22:15] daker: I wanted to see where we were at with the website and see if you needed any help with anything. [22:15] daker: We're going to switch off the countdown timer and use the real site in just under 3 hours (at 0000 UTC). [22:16] So I wanted to make sure everything was ready to go. [22:16] what !!!!! [22:16] 3hours [22:16] Yep. [22:16] It'll be 29 April (UTC) then. [22:17] i thought that still 13hours :) [22:17] Ah, I'm afraid not. :) [22:19] I've set up the database tables that you sent me. And the PDFs are uploaded. [22:19] oki [22:20] daker: If there's anything I can do to help, tell me. [22:20] I think I've got everything on my end finished, so I'm free to help. [22:21] oki thanks [22:21] godbyk: did you look at the links on the texlive files i sent? [22:21] (pastebins) [22:22] ubuntujenkins: what? where? [22:22] this is the most important one http://paste.ubuntu.com/424182/ and this i think tells us what is in the packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/424174/ or at least i think ( godbyk ) [22:22] the first one is about what isn't in the packages [22:22] godbyk: i sent you an email with the translation of the abbreviations, check it when you have time. [22:23] c7p: sure. As soon as I get it, I'll set the translations in the branch for you. You can then use \ie and \eg as-is. [22:23] godbyk, ok thank you [22:25] godbyk, change the autoupdate to 5min [22:25] daker: ok [22:26] daker: I set it to 5 minutes. [22:27] godbyk, if you change the informations in a file it will be erased when i push ? [22:29] daker: I'm not sure I'm following. Can you rephrase the question? [22:29] * ubuntujenkins oo the channel is getting more people [22:30] just a minute, because i am reinstalling lucid from zero [22:33] nrn [22:33] brb [22:41] godbyk, what about lulu.co link ? [22:41] daker: I've got that. [22:41] Just a sec and I'll send it to you [22:49] ubuntujenkins: So for the first link you gave me, I think all of that's okay. [22:49] so none of the missing stuff is needed? [22:50] ubuntujenkins: The original problem we had was that the version of polyglossia we needed didn't work with the packaged version of XeTeX (as it wasn't new enough). [22:50] nope. [22:50] most of it's not really missing, just packaged different. [22:50] differently. [22:50] and the stuff that is missing, we're not using. [22:50] thats a good sign [22:51] Check to see that the polyglossia package is in the Ubuntu packages.. I think that may not have been in the 2007 version. I don't know if it was in 2009 now or not. [22:51] (It's been a few months.) [22:52] I will when it finishes installing [22:52] k [22:59] godbyk: running with the latest packages i get ! LaTeX Error: File `ccicons.sty' not found. . I can't work out what version of polyglossia is in use its not in its own packages [22:59] aha [22:59] yeah, they didn't have ccicons packaged either. [23:00] so that's a package that's missing. [23:00] it's pretty new. [23:00] ok how can i install just that using the script? [23:00] if you look in the .log file, and search for polyglossia, it should tell you the version, fwiw. [23:00] I don't think the script installs ccicons anymore. [23:00] ubuntujenkins: but if you go to ctan.org/pkg/ccicons [23:00] you can download a zip file [23:01] hmm.. actually, that may be slightly painful. [23:01] the old install-pkgs.sh script installed it for you. if you look at the bzr history, you can find a copy. :) [23:02] are ok. will do also wheres the .log file i need to look in? [23:02] wherever you tried to compile from. [23:02] I used synaptic [23:03] what is it that said ccicons.sty not found? [23:04] no make said that. I am looking for the log to find the the polyglossia version [23:05] right. [23:05] so in the directiory from which you ran make should be a .log file. [23:06] main.log if you ran make with no arguments. [23:06] that's basically the full log of all the output xelatex gives you when it runs. [23:06] are right got it [23:12] night all [23:12] night c7p [23:13] am i going mad godbyk ? [23:13] ubuntujenkins: ah, I see. [23:13] ubuntujenkins: polyglossia is loaded after ccicons. [23:13] so since it's dying on ccicons, it's not getting to polyglossia. [23:13] if you hit Enter to continue past the ccicons error, it should continue to compile, though. [23:14] or you can comment out the \RequirePackage{ccicons} line in ubuntu-manual.cls temporarily. [23:14] ok well i can't install ccions using the script so i have scipt it [23:15] the next error is http://paste.ubuntu.com/424256/ [23:17] the install-script.log is http://paste.ubuntu.com/424257/ [23:19] right, that error is because you commented out the ccicons line -- it doesn't know what the \ccbysa command means. [23:19] ubuntujenkins: does 'which xindy' return anything? [23:20] if not, then xindy may not be in the packages either. [23:20] it's used to generate the glossary and index. [23:20] dutchie: I see you asked in #launchpad have you tried #launchpad-dev [23:20] thumper said it was the Right Channel [23:20] also see if 'makeglossaries' returns anything. if not, it means the glossaries stuff isn't in the packages. [23:20] godbyk: can we try and work out why i can't install ccicons [23:20] I think #launchpad-dev is for developing LP itself [23:20] sure. [23:21] dutchie: true just a thought. tried doctormo himself he is around in #ubuntu-app-devel [23:22] ? [23:22] whazzup? [23:23] ubuntujenkins: edit the install-pkgs.sh file. [23:23] ubuntujenkins: search for 'Main loop' [23:23] immediately after that comment, add: [23:23] install_ccicons [23:23] exit 0 [23:23] I think dutchie was mentioning you in passing thumper he is trying to sort out oauth/openid [23:23] dutchie: #launchpad-dev is for launchpad developers [23:23] and then you can run the ./install-pkgs.sh script to install the ccicons package [23:24] ok godbyk I will give it ago [23:24] dutchie: whether they be canonical people or other [23:24] so should I ask my question in there? [23:25] dutchie: what type of questions? [23:26] * ubuntujenkins runs make [23:26] 22:14:49 < dutchie> what I want to do is write a custom bug form for the ubuntu manual project. the bit I'm having trouble with is authenticating into LP to actually report the bug. I think the main problem is my complete lack of understanding of oauth/openid [23:26] dutchie: if it has to do with open id then the guy to ping is salgado [23:26] what do you mean by custom bug form? [23:26] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/custom-bug-form [23:27] dutchie: if it is from your website, then you just need to have saved credentials for the user that the server is using [23:28] dutchie: you probably want the bugs to be registered by someone one the manual team on behalf of the form submitter [23:28] godbyk: it runs to the end and i get a 158 page manual but i get this error http://paste.ubuntu.com/424260/ [23:28] dutchie: so the form submitter doesn't need to have a login [23:28] dutchie: does that sound reasonable to you? [23:28] thumper: it does [23:28] dutchie: ok, launchpadlib allows the saving of credentials [23:28] but they don't get karma [23:29] dutchie: you have your script that files the bug to load those credentials [23:29] dutchie: then submit the bug [23:29] thumper: I was originally going for having the user sign in with their own LP credentials [23:29] ubuntujenkins: who doesn't? [23:29] the original submitter [23:29] dutchie: harder [23:29] yeah [23:29] ubuntujenkins: you are right [23:30] It would be nice if they could. [23:30] dutchie: the oauth redirect and token acceptance is what would be required [23:30] ubuntujenkins: yeah, it needs xindy to generate the glossary and index. [23:30] and before, the install-pkgs.sh script said it couldn't find xindy. [23:30] thumper: so where would I redirect to? [23:30] ubuntujenkins: what if your users don't have a lp login? [23:30] godbyk: right so we are missing xindy and ccicons [23:31] I could just have an optional LP-id field [23:31] best of both worlds [23:31] thumper: true we should give them a i don't have a launchpad account button [23:31] ubuntujenkins: so far. :) [23:31] godbyk: how do i install xindy then? [23:31] dutchie: except that you either use LP or launchpadlib to file a bug [23:32] dutchie: and to file a but for someone else you'd need their credentials, or a token which gives you write permission [23:32] ubuntujenkins: http://ctan.org/pkg/xindy [23:32] dutchie: personally I think that's bad [23:32] ubuntujenkins: you can grab a tarball here: http://tug.ctan.org/tex-archive/indexing/xindy/ [23:32] thumper: why? [23:32] dutchie: karma isn't so important as filing a useful bug [23:32] dutchie: I'm not going to authorize a token your site can use to write stuff as me [23:33] dutchie: I'm sure there are many who think like that [23:33] fair enough [23:33] if you want a custom form, I suggest you have one user who the bugs are filed as [23:33] surely there isn't much harm in making it optional though? [23:33] that user saves launchpadlib credentials [23:33] godbyk: xindy-kernel-3.0 right. don't want to do it all twice [23:33] dutchie: I'm not sure how easy it is to implement [23:34] ubuntujenkins: the one I have installed is: [23:34] $ xindy --version [23:34] xindy release: unknown [23:34] xindy script version: 1.13 [23:34] xindy kernel version: 2.3 [23:34] xindy run time engine: x86_64-linux-gnu, version 2.2 [23:34] CLISP version 2.48 (2009-07-28) (built on pcl321.mppmu.mpg.de [134.107.3.54]) [23:34] architecture: X86_64 [23:34] wouldn't be too hard, if I could get the oauth thing working [23:34] that's what texlive-2009 shipped with. [23:34] ok thanks godbyk i will use 2.3 [23:36] we could use the UMP persona for this :) [23:36] dutchie: I was thinking more ubuntu-manual-bug but yea we could [23:37] heh [23:37] I'll slepp on it, I think [23:37] night [23:37] dutchie: not gonna hang around for the launch? [23:37] night dutchie [23:39] good night dutchie [23:41] night all [23:41] night ChrisWoollard [23:41] night ChrisWoollard [23:43] hehe godbyk I like to be difficult it make for xindy fails http://paste.ubuntu.com/424266/ . I don't compile form source much. I am right in thinking that its because i am 64 bit? [23:47] It looks like maybe a test failed or something. it's hard to tell from that log. anything useful in the minitests.out file? [23:48] there is no file of that name [23:49] let me try to compile it here. see if I get the same thing. [23:49] the web site says there is 12 hour 10 mins to go [23:50] kk [23:50] ubuntujenkins: yeah, I think it's 1. counting toward noon instead of 00:01 UTC, and 2. using your local time zone. [23:50] are makes sense [23:51] ubuntujenkins: did you just run ./configure and then make? [23:51] yes [23:51] any special args I need to specify? [23:51] not as far as i know [23:51] 'kay. running make now. [23:52] godbyk, ubuntujenkins the countdown is set to 29 april 12:00 [23:52] I see daker [23:52] not 29 april 00:00 [23:53] and it uses local time as apparently we have 8 mins to go but that should be 1 hour 8 [23:53] ubuntujenkins: you'll be pleased to know that I got the same error compiling. [23:53] let me poke around and see what it's doing [23:54] not just me for once [23:54] are you sure it merges ? [23:55] current time for me daker http://imagebin.org/94879 note the clock in the top [23:56] ubuntujenkins, you are in GMT ? [23:56] godbyk, are you sure it merges ? [23:56] daker: nope bst [23:57] daker: lemme check [23:57] daker: ah, it failed to merge. [23:57] lemme fix it real quick. [23:57] maybe we should put the db connection stuff into a config-db.php file and include('config-db.php') in config.php? [23:58] then we won't have conflicts if you edit config.php [23:58] oki