[00:00] <jdong> MTecknology / imbrandon : Sorry just got back from dinner....
[00:00] <jdong> uphack is a really really old project by now and probably not useful
[00:00] <jdong> it was from before the days of /etc/init/ and is likely not useful at all these days
[00:01] <ajmitch> written for upstart < 0.3.x?
[00:01] <jdong> correct.
[00:01] <jdong> ajmitch: it was an automatic turn-init.d-into-upstart-jobs hack :)
[00:01] <jdong> yay crack :)
[00:01] <ajmitch> sounds tricky to get the event stuff right
[00:01] <ajmitch> I expect such things from you
[00:02] <jdong> hey it was properly labeled as crack!
[00:02] <MTecknology> jdong: I need to run for a little bit - probably about an hour - you going to be around then?
[00:02] <ajmitch> sort of like 2to3 for python conversion? a useful place to start, but not to be relied upon?
[00:02] <jdong> ajmitch: it generated a bootorder similar to http://jdong.mit.edu/~jdong/upstart-dep.png
[00:03] <jdong> ajmitch: it was a good starting point but I do expect things to break and require a bit of manual  tuning
[00:03] <jdong> but back in the days, it took the gruntwork out of upstartify-ing
[00:03] <ajmitch> how were these dependencies worked out?
[00:03] <jdong> MTecknology: yeah I'll likely be around.
[00:03] <jdong> ajmitch: some were quirk rules and others were parsing init file headers.
[00:03] <ajmitch> aha
[00:12] <MTecknology> jdong: what's your opinion about trying to get all the other init.d scripts to upstart scripts?
[00:14] <MTecknology> jdong: if you want to maybe teach imbrandon and me about it too, I'm sure we'd be happy to work on it and maybe get the rest changed and remove the sysv-rc, initscripts, and sysv-utils dependendies from upstart for 10.10 :)
[00:15] <MTecknology> imbrandon: would you want to try to do that?
[00:16] <jdong> MTecknology: I'm afraid I wouldn't be the best person for that. While I'm familiar with Upstart itself, I'm not terribly familiar with Keybuk's new event definitions in /etc/init, and when *he* would like things to be starting up, etc.
[00:16] <jdong> MTecknology: Upstart itself is like a programming language, the good engineering practices/conventions are not defined by the tool
[00:16] <jdong> MTecknology: so, if  you want to flag down Keybuk in #ubuntu-devel and cc/ping me, I'd be glad to hear his input too
[00:58] <micahg> nhandler: ping
[00:58] <nhandler> micahg: pong
[00:59] <micahg> nhandler: can you approve unapproved uploads?
[01:00] <nhandler> micahg: I can approve it, but you will need an archive admin to still process it
[01:00] <micahg> nhandler: well, seamonkey is in unapproved, already has FFe, do I just need archive admin?
[01:03] <nhandler> micahg: Wasn't ScottK waiting for asac (or someone else on the mozzilateam) to provide feedback or something?
[01:04] <micahg> nhandler: I think that was for lightning-sunbird
[01:04] <nhandler> Ah, might have been.
[01:04] <nhandler> Have a link to the bug for seamonkey?
[01:04] <micahg> bug 461864
[01:12] <nhandler> micahg: Ah, slangasek looked at it. Just wait for him to process it then
[01:12] <persia> carstenh: You might find `what-patch` from ubuntu-dev-tools handy :)
[01:13] <micahg> nhandler: k, I'll wait for him or ScottK
[01:13] <nhandler> Yep
[02:10]  * imbrandon yawns
[04:08] <ScottK> micahg: Accepted.
[04:08] <micahg> ScottK: thanks
[04:10] <micahg> ScottK: one of my goals is to update all the mozilla packages early in maverick so all branches are ready to go for all potential versions of mozilla software so we no longer have this last minute thing
[04:12]  * ajmitch likes the idea of not having stuff done at the last minute
[04:12]  * ScottK too
[04:12]  * micahg three :)
[04:26] <carstenh> persia: what--patch sounds like a good idea :) though i'm not impressed, it detects 3.0 (quilt) as quilt without mentioning 3.0 and detects an unused patches directory (like cron uses) as unknown
[04:26] <persia> You could fix it :)
[04:27] <carstenh> there are more important bugs i could fix ;)
[04:55] <micahg> anyone around to sponsor an FTBFS?
[05:08] <micahg> ajmitch: around?
[05:12] <RAOF> micahg: To where?
[05:12] <micahg> universe
[05:12] <RAOF> Shoot.
[05:12] <micahg> nixternal: said he coudl too
[05:12] <micahg> bug 561403
[05:12] <nixternal> he is buying me dinner though, and he doesn't know it yet
[05:12] <nixternal> well, i guess he knows now
[05:12] <micahg> heh
[05:13] <nixternal> wait a sec, firegpg? people still use that?
[05:13] <micahg> idk, web gmail users maybe
[05:13] <nixternal> seriously, i was looking for firegpg for chromium a couple of months back, and the dev on twitter asked me, "People still use firegpg?"
[05:13]  * micahg doesn't use it, but it has arch specific components
[05:14] <nixternal> one of the actual firegpg devs asked me that :)
[05:14] <micahg> wow
[05:14] <nixternal> thought it was funny, and ended my search for it at that time
[05:14] <micahg> maybe we should drop it then :)
[05:14] <micahg> recent popcon is 28666
[05:15] <persia> Or point upstream at popcon, which may make it get attention
[05:15] <micahg> 35 installs...
[05:16]  * micahg wonders why we kept this...
[05:17] <nixternal> hehe
[05:18]  * micahg checks debian popcon
[05:18]  * nixternal is building
[05:18] <nixternal> so it is to late
[05:18] <micahg> 155 installs
[05:18]  * micahg leaves a note for chrisccoulson
[05:20] <ScottK> Keep in mind that popcon substantially subsamples the actual user base and the distribution of package use by the people that pick to enable popcon may be different than the userbase as a whole.
[05:20]  * micahg should probably enable popcon...
[05:21]  * micahg wouldn't think regular users would be using firegpg anyways
[05:22] <persia> Why?
[05:22] <micahg> how many regular users use GPG encryption?
[05:22]  * persia knows bundles: mostly those involved in local politics in various places
[05:25] <micahg> nixternal: 50MB of deps for a small extension..
[05:26] <jpds> Hmm, popcorn.
[05:26] <nixternal> popcorn does sound good
[05:26] <nixternal> but i already carb loaded tonight, gotta wait now
[05:30] <nixternal> wth all the deps on that little bugger?
[05:30] <micahg> nixternal: xulrunner pulls in a lot of deps :)
[05:30] <nixternal> oh yeah
[05:31] <nixternal> tis another reason i hate moz**K@#J#@:
[05:31]  * micahg wonders if he's part of the team supporting the packages most spurned by devs
[05:33] <nixternal> FTBFS!!!!
[05:33] <persia> micahg: No.  The packages most spurned by devs have no team.  You're part of the team that supports the second-most-spurned set of packages.
[05:33] <micahg> heh
[05:33] <micahg> nixternal: where?
[05:33] <nixternal> micahg: had to do it, i missed april fools day :p
[05:33] <micahg> I tried in a clean pbuilder
[05:33] <micahg> heh
[05:37] <nixternal> micahg: Successfully uploaded packages.
[05:37] <micahg> nixternal: thanks
[05:37] <nixternal> np
[05:37] <nixternal> about time i uploaded something for someone else :p
[05:37] <micahg> nixternal: do you want me to ping you when I need sponsoring?
[05:38] <nixternal> nope, unless of course money is involved
[05:42] <nixternal> if i am online, i will sponsor your garbage packages :p
[05:43] <nixternal> we need to meet up for a drink or something soonish too
[05:43] <nixternal> or a release party :)
[05:43] <micahg> nixternal: k
[05:47]  * micahg tries for one more
[05:56] <nxvl> don't do that, nixternal is a bad person
[05:56] <nxvl> he loves Vista
[05:56] <nxvl> !nixternal
[05:56] <nxvl> :P
[05:57] <nxvl> oh it has been updates
[05:57] <nxvl> updated*
[05:57] <nxvl> nixternal: are you going to UDS?
[05:58] <nixternal> nope
[05:58] <nixternal> no pisco for me :(
[05:58] <nxvl> :(
[05:59] <nixternal> in the fall, i will make my way back to UDS...don't have the funds to do a european road trip right now :)
[05:59] <nxvl> i will try to go to chigago with a bottle
[05:59] <nxvl> :P
[05:59] <nixternal> plus, I need to get my tickets taken care of, or get a job that requires me to travel so I can update my passport :D
[05:59] <nixternal> damn chicago!!!
[05:59] <nxvl> so maverick +1?
[05:59] <nixternal> definitely
[06:00] <nxvl> heh
[06:00] <nixternal> or you can always come up to chicago... we can get greg from Michigan who helped us drink that one bottle outside at Mt. View :)
[06:00] <nxvl> i'm about to change my passport, it has no pages left!
[06:00] <nixternal> that's to much traveling
[06:00] <nxvl> i only have 6 more, and i bet that in europe i will use at least 2 more
[06:00] <nxvl> nixternal: well, i've visas too, so it's kinda cheating
[06:00] <nxvl> 2 us and 4 europeans
[06:00] <nixternal> i loved it when i was in the navy...never needed a passport way back then :)
[06:01] <nxvl> being a civilian is much more fun
[06:01] <nxvl> :D
[06:01] <nxvl> but i've a couple of friends who are officers in peruvian navy
[06:02] <nxvl> kinda kewl go to visit their ships
[06:02] <nxvl> but they didn't let me fire torpedos :(
[06:03] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:04] <nixternal> oh, speaking of pisco, there is a new liquor store by my house, that has it...i couldn't remember the brand or which ones, yes ones plural there, we plowed through
[06:04] <nxvl> i just hope is not the chilean poison :P
[06:04] <nixternal> guy said he could get me anything i wanted
[06:05] <nxvl> don't get absinth
[06:05] <nxvl> we tried that in Prague, is HORRIBLE
[06:05] <nixternal> i want the peruvian goodness?
[06:05] <nxvl> yup
[06:06] <nxvl> it's actually complete different liquor, but same name
[06:06] <nxvl> kinda complicated to explain
[06:06] <nxvl> but chilean pisco is what you usually get around the world
[06:06] <nixternal> ok...i will research some peruvian goodness and give him a list then
[06:06] <nixternal> i need to take some to jcastro's wedding :)
[06:06] <nxvl> i remember in berlin with dholbach we went to a bar that had pisco sour, and i said "i'm going to order a pisco sour and i bet i will get lemonade with chilean pisco"
[06:07] <nxvl> and guess what did i got?
[06:07] <nixternal> probably dog piss :D
[06:07] <nxvl> nixternal: queirolo is one of the most known brand of pisco
[06:07] <nixternal> careful drinking with dholbach
[06:07] <nxvl> nixternal: actually i got what i was expecting: lemonade with chilean pisco
[06:07] <nixternal> hehe
[06:07] <nxvl> but it tasted like dog piss
[06:08] <nixternal> yeah, when in berlin, drink what they are drinking, otherwise you will get dog piss
[06:08] <nixternal> my uncle lives there and he always warned me...don't ask for anything from anywhere else...
[06:11] <nxvl> well, my first experience with pisco outside peru was worst
[06:12] <nxvl> i was in boston with the MIT/GNU/neds crew in a bar near the harvard sqauare, grendels dean i think, and i asked a pisco sour, hoping to get something even close to one
[06:12] <nxvl> and i got a lemonade with pisco
[06:12] <nxvl> i didn't even try to ask where was that pisco from
[06:12] <nixternal> probably ocean water :)
[06:16] <nxvl> yeah, maybe
[06:16] <nxvl> that's why each time i see pisco sour in the list i order one
[06:16] <nxvl> to see if someone can give me a worst glass of dog piss
[06:17] <nxvl> kinda funny
[08:10] <dholbach> good morning
[08:22] <imbrandon> moins dholbach
[08:25] <dholbach> hey imbrandon
[08:26] <imbrandon> or should i say "baron" dholbach :)
[08:26] <imbrandon> lol
[08:26] <dholbach> pfffft
[08:26] <imbrandon> gotta admit that is kinda cool though
[08:27] <dholbach> imbrandon: somebody of my relatives actually dived into genealogy and found out that somebody of the Holbachs came from France, some time in 1700 or something - but I doubt we're in any way related to Monsieur d'Holbach ;-)
[08:28] <imbrandon> :)
[08:31] <piju> wow
[08:31] <piju> netsplit?
[08:32] <hyperair> 15:31:41 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: neversfelde, yofel, duanedesign, dyfet, ssweeny, \sh, ScottK, dantalizing, rulus, jtimberman,  (+14 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
[08:32] <hyperair> i guess so.
[08:32] <piju> nice
[08:32] <piju> where are you now hyperair ?
[08:33] <piju> .sg or .my ?
[08:33] <hyperair> .sg
[08:33] <piju> great.
[08:33] <piju> send my regards to those chicks overthere
[08:34] <hyperair> hahaha
[08:34] <hyperair> will do, if i see any
[08:34] <piju> hyperair, are coming this june ?
[08:34] <piju> to MOSC2010 ?
[08:36] <piju> am i netsplitted ?
[09:31] <hyperair> piju: sorry, i was moving around
[09:32] <hyperair> piju: yeah i probably will come
[09:32] <piju> hyperair; great. meet you there
[09:32] <hyperair> piju: yeah sure.
[09:33] <piju> hyperair; maybe i will help for ham radio
[09:33] <hyperair> ham radio?
[09:33] <piju> hyperair; yes
[09:35] <hyperair> what's ham radio?
[09:49] <persia> hyperair: amateur radio
[10:02] <Rhonda> I think I would need someone for testing bug #570609 for karmic. :)
[10:20] <Rhonda> slytherin! As if I would have summoned you!
[10:21] <Rhonda> slytherin: bug #570609 needs some testing and I was told that you would be the best candidate for it. ;)
[10:21] <slytherin> Rhonda: I will surely do it over weekend. For last few days my internet connection is busy updating ISO images.
[10:22] <Rhonda> … and I am having strange issues with my chroot right now. Starting wesnoth right ahead from there doesn't work. Starting a terminal works. Starting wesnoth _inside_ that started terminal works too.  %-/
[10:22] <Rhonda> I simply don't get it. %-/
[10:22] <slytherin> Rhonda: I have two karmic installation (i386, powerpc). I can test on any of them depending on package availability.
[10:23] <Rhonda> Then I'll make my i386 build available to you, as long as you trust me and my build environment.
[10:28] <slytherin> Rhonda: Sure. I will ping you over weekend.
[11:03] <Rhonda> slytherin: http://deb.at/~rhonda/waste/2010-04-28-8qhGx9OOjbk/ - though not signed, if that bothers you. I don't have my key around.
[11:03] <slytherin> Rhonda: No it doesn't bother me. :-)
[11:46] <Rhonda> Oh, ScottK is also a backporter. ;)
[11:58] <zgreg> so... release is imminent?
[12:07] <slytherin> zgreg: Is there any reason to believe otherwise?
[12:12]  * hyperair points at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[12:14] <zgreg> no :)
[12:18] <azop> Lucid launch detected.
[12:27] <suji11> sladen: hi
[12:40] <callum1> geser: Hi posted the patch for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/app-install-data-ubuntu/+bug/538223. Was wondering about getting a mentor to learn how to do things properly and more complicated bugs. Is this something I can apply for?
[13:38] <Breaking_Pitt> Hello I don't know if I can ask this here...
[13:38] <Breaking_Pitt> I'm creating some debian/ubuntu packages for my source code info tools
[13:38] <Breaking_Pitt> and i'm getting this error debian-files-list-in-source
[13:40] <callum1> Breaking_Pitt: which command are you running when you receive this error?
[13:41] <Breaking_Pitt> one moment, i'll pase it here
[13:41] <Rhonda> Breaking_Pitt: See lintian -i output for an extended explenation. And I think this isn't really the best channel to ask these questions - though don't know which others are prefered to be used for basic packaging issues. :)
[13:41] <Breaking_Pitt> that's great if you don't know... :)
[13:42] <Breaking_Pitt> lintian -iI bicho_0.0.1-1_i386.changes
[13:42] <Rhonda> Then you should have the extended description already which gives you hints on what to do.
[13:42] <Rhonda> "The clean rule for the package should remove this file." sounds pretty clear to me.
[13:43] <Breaking_Pitt> I'm completely newbie!
[13:43] <Breaking_Pitt> this is my first attempt
[13:44] <Rhonda> Actually, when you use debhelper in your rules file, dh_clean (or similar) should get rid of debian/files
[13:44] <Breaking_Pitt> my rules file only contains
[13:44] <Breaking_Pitt>  dh $@
[13:44] <Breaking_Pitt> this line
[13:44] <Rhonda> That should do that, then. %: in the line before, I expect.
[13:45] <Breaking_Pitt> let me see i think soo
[13:45] <Breaking_Pitt> %:
[13:45] <Breaking_Pitt>         dh $@
[13:45] <Breaking_Pitt> this is exactly what my rules file contains
[13:45] <azeem> Breaking_Pitt: is debian/files included in the .orig.tar.gz?
[13:46] <azeem> or the .tar.gz
[13:46] <Breaking_Pitt> let me see
[13:46] <Breaking_Pitt> yes azeem
[13:46] <azeem> that'd be it
[13:47] <azeem> it gets removed by dh_clean, but dpkg-source ignores deletions in order to create the .diff.g
[13:47] <azeem> z
[13:47] <persia> You may want to explicity add it to debian/clean or just ignore the warning.  Check your build log carefully.
[13:47] <azeem> Breaking_Pitt: or fix your upstream tarball, if you have control over it
[13:47] <Breaking_Pitt> ok
[13:48] <Breaking_Pitt> I'm totally newbie that's the reason why I'm here asking for help
[13:48] <Breaking_Pitt> I have read a lot of manuals
[13:48] <Breaking_Pitt> but I have some problems
[13:48] <Breaking_Pitt> i'm trying to build a package from python source code
[13:48] <Breaking_Pitt> do you know any other place where I can take a look at?
[13:48] <azeem> a look at what?
[13:49] <Breaking_Pitt> for more info
[13:50] <azeem> about what?
[13:50] <Breaking_Pitt> python source code packaging
[13:52] <persia> Breaking_Pitt: For 90% of software, there's almost no special packaging.  The key is to pick Python software that uses distutils properly.
[14:36] <callum1> hopefully a simple question...How do I add a recommended dependency to a binary package? ie where would I add this?
[14:45] <soren> callum1: debian/control
[14:48] <callum1> soren: ah see it now. I added it to build depends rather than depends >.< . is there a difference between a recommended depends and an actual depends?
[14:53] <soren> callum1: Yes.
[14:53] <soren> callum1: Dependencies are listed on a Depends: line. Recommended packages are listed on a Recommends: line.
[14:53] <callum1> soren: thats great thanks for your help :)
[15:12] <Ciemon> all, I'm trying to find where the .desktop file is within a pacakge (before it's installed)
[15:13] <Ciemon> Having no luck.
[15:15] <persia> Ciemon: How do you mean?  With what tools are you trying to extract?  Or do you mean at source build time?
[15:15] <Ciemon> at build
[15:15] <persia> Oh, could be anywhere, really.
[15:15] <Ciemon> hmm
[15:16] <persia> I've seen it in ./, ./src/, ./docs:/, ./data/, etc.
[15:16] <Ciemon> just working on a bug
[15:16] <Ciemon> you have 5 mins spare?
[15:16] <persia> Just ask questions.  If someone has the answer, they will answer.  May or may not be me.
[15:16] <Ciemon> ok :)
[15:18] <carstenh> Ciemon: maybe this helps: find . -iname '*desktop*'
[15:18] <Ciemon> the readme in extr-xdg-menus suggests simply add a line with: "Categories=HamRadio" to the .desktop file belonging to the package
[15:19] <Ciemon> However, I've just seen a package that has a /debian/menu file detailing the info needed
[15:19] <Ciemon> so.. is it .desktop or /debian/menu ?
[15:19] <persia> Should be "Categories=Network;HamRadio;" or "Categories=Audio;HamRadio;" according to http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/apa.html
[15:20] <persia> Yes :)
[15:21] <persia> .desktop works for XDG-compliant menu systems.  debian/menu works for debian-menu compliant menu systems.  The xdg-menu package will give access to the debian-menu system for xdg-menu compliant implementations.
[15:21] <Ciemon> heh, was that yes to .desktop or /debian/menu?
[15:21] <persia> Yes.
[15:21] <Ciemon> ok, got it.. thanks
[15:21] <persia> Most of the major menuing systems in use in Ubuntu are XDG-complaint, but some are not.  Best practice is to include *both*.
[15:22] <persia> That makes it very unlikely that the item will not appear in a user menu, regardless of which menu system the user has selected.
[15:23] <freeflying> persia: have some mins for talk?
[17:13] <geser> callum1: there is/was a MOTU mentoring program, but I don't know its status. When you are stuck when fixing a bug, simply ask here and someone who can help you will (hopefully) answer.
[17:14] <RoAkSoAx> callum1, we are reorganizing the Mentoring Program. We will announce it soon
[17:16] <ari-tczew> geser: do I wrote okay about handle my application? 1st MOTU, 2nd if MOTU rejected then UUC request membership
[17:16] <ari-tczew> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperMembershipBoard/Agenda
[17:18] <geser> ari-tczew: looks good (and since I'll chair the next meeting I know about it now too)
[17:18] <ari-tczew> thanks!
[17:23] <marshall> hey masters
[17:23] <marshall> how can i get my hands on an svg of the new logo?
[17:58] <micahg> \sh: ping
[18:24] <callum1> RoAkSoAx / geser: thanks I will keep doing what I can in the meantime and will ask here about the mentoring at a later stage.
[20:41] <fabrice_sp> Hi. Any releas member to check bug 568619? I know it's a bit late
[22:22] <imbrandon> is there a such thing that would be the equiv of "pxe boot + public internet" ?
[22:23] <imbrandon> other than say a mini-iso netinstall, more like a true pxe