[00:38]  * sbeattie steps away to deal with family stuff, back in a few hours.
[05:48] <slangasek> bladernr: as we're triaging 570765 off for SRU, could I ask you to mark your test of http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4131/10 as a "qualified success" rather than a failure?
[05:49] <bladernr> There's an SRU that fixes the Grub issues w/ multi-boot scenarios?
[05:49] <slangasek> there will be
[05:50] <slangasek> the issue basically fixes itself anyway the first time update-grub is called
[05:50] <bladernr> hhahh.... ok... no problem then... there are three others marked as failures for the same reason though
[05:51] <bladernr> I can't change the stati of the other two who also failed though
[05:52] <bladernr> but mine's done at least.
[05:52] <bladernr> slangasek:  it's luck that I just happened to wander by and see the popup with your message:) otherwise I would not have seen it until morning, or later :-)
[05:53] <bladernr> and now, I shall fade back into the shadows from nonce I came
[05:54] <slangasek> not being able to change the others is fine, but we expect all the tests to pass for release so it helps if we have at least one that we can in good conscience mark as a pass :)
[05:54] <slangasek> thanks, 'night :)
[06:11] <slangasek> looks like xubuntu amd64 / wubi needs some revalidation, the only test so far came up crashy?
[06:31] <sbeattie> slangasek: yeah, I suspect it needs to be done on something besides virtualbox; I may be able to try later, but the hardware I could use for that is busy at the moment.
[06:31]  * slangasek nods
[06:50] <ara> morning all
[07:04] <sbeattie> hey ara
[07:04] <ara> morning sbeattie
[08:50] <mote> What is the difference between the "lucid-desktop-i386.iso" and the "ubuntu-10.04-rc-dvd-i386.iso". one is a cd and the other is a DVD, but else?
[08:54] <ara> mote, one is the RC released DVD
[08:54] <ara> mote, it does not change over time
[08:54] <ara> mote, lucid-desktop is a DAILY build
[08:54] <mote> ara: so the cd version is not "out"
[08:56] <mote> ara: what is on the DVD version thats not on the cd, the dvd is alot bigger.
[08:56] <ara> mote, mainly language packs
[08:58] <mote> ara:  I filed a bug on the hardware support issues with my laptop and got a automated reply telling me to install the latest dev. ver. with a link to the rc dvd's.
[08:58] <ara> mote, which bug?
[08:58] <mote> ara:  but the daily image would be the newest.
[08:58] <mote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/566496
[08:58] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 566496 in linux (Ubuntu) "Ubuntu ubuntu-10.04-beta-2 Hardware support Asus eee 1005P (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete]
[08:59] <ara> mote, indeed, if you tried with the latest daily, you can reply saying that
[08:59] <ara> mote, make sure is the latest available
[09:00] <mote> ara:  I created a test report from the 19 april version
[09:01] <ara> mote, can you download the latest one and, if it still reproduces, reply to that email saying that and putting the bug report back to New?
[09:02] <mote> ara: there is a new one out to day?
[09:03] <ara> mote, let me find it for you
[09:04] <ara> mote, http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[09:04] <ara> mote, that should be the last one
[09:04] <mote> ara: im im downloading just now.
[09:04] <mote> Will the upstream kernel be even never?
[09:12] <sbeattie> mote: yes, upstream kernel is newer, either 2.6.33 or a 2.6.34rc.
[09:12] <sbeattie> (I'm not sure what the kernel team has available in terms of packaged upstream kernels available for testing)
[09:12] <mote> ara: thanks  i will go on then.
[09:13] <ara> mote, np
[09:14] <sbeattie> ara: BTW, congrats on getting upload rights!
[09:15] <ara> sbeattie, thanks!
[09:28]  * ara goes for a coffee
[10:06] <ara> dear sbeattie, I really hope you're in bed now. If not, please, go to bed :-)
[11:17] <davmor2> morning all
[11:21]  * slangasek waves to davmor2 
[11:21] <slangasek> davmor2: can you retest wubi on xubuntu amd64?  sbeattie had a failed test because vbox was unhappy with him
[11:22] <davmor2> slangasek: Yes you'll have to bear with me though 2 releases to production for ISD too
[11:22] <slangasek> okie
[11:23] <davmor2> slangasek: I'll hit xub i386 wubi too
[11:24] <ara> you have to love netsplits in the middle of a release
[11:47] <bckurera> hi
[11:47] <bckurera> jussi
[11:47] <bckurera> u there?
[11:48] <jussi> bckurera: yes...
[11:48] <bckurera> -whois
[11:48] <bckurera> where r u from?
[11:49] <jussi> bckurera: do you have a question? this isnt a chit chat channel.
[11:49] <bckurera> ANY 1 from sri lanka???
[11:50] <bckurera> -query
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[11:51] <bckurera> exit
[12:06] <davmor2> slangasek: work here on hw will run i386 asap
[12:10] <slangasek> davmor2: cheers
[13:39]  * ara -> lunch
[14:10]  * fader_ starts picking off some xubuntu alternate amd64 test cases.
[14:15] <alexmoldovan> Good Morning everybody
[14:17] <davmor2> alexmoldovan: dude
[14:22] <alexmoldovan> davmor2, : how's going?
[14:23] <davmor2> sound bud you?
[14:25]  * davmor2 flicks over a track and hits Metallica Black album "Enter Sandman" and can't stop moshing
[14:28] <davmor2> slangasek: I'll hit kubuntu wubis next as I can
[14:29] <slangasek> davmor2: ok
[15:17] <prashant8> hi
[15:17] <prashant8> i have a problem
[15:17] <prashant8> about ubuntu 9,10
[15:17] <prashant8> some budy help me
[15:18] <prashant8>  please
[15:18] <charlie-tca> Support is in #ubuntu, this is for testing the development version
[15:19] <prashant8> where will i get the solution about the grub error
[15:19] <prashant8> reply me
[15:20] <prashant8>  please
[15:24] <fader_> prashant8: You probably want to ask in the #ubuntu channel, as charlie-tca suggested; this channel is focused on coordinating tests for the new release
[15:24] <prashant8> ok thanks
[15:26] <prashant8> are but u must know the ans
[15:26] <prashant8>  then
[15:27] <prashant8>  yedzav
[15:27] <prashant8>  koni aaheka nahi thihte
[15:57]  * ara takes a break until the QA IRC meeting
[16:30] <dholbach> heya
[16:31] <dholbach> davmor2: do you know what I need to do to tell dl-ubuntu-test-iso to download the *netbook* images?
[16:31] <dholbach> davmor2: I used the newest example configuration, but I still don't have them here
[16:32] <davmor2> dholbach: dl-ubuntu-test-iso --release=lucid --only=ubuntu-netbook
[16:33] <dholbach> davmor2: and in the configuration file? :)
[16:33] <dholbach> do I need to add a variant?
[16:33] <davmor2> dholbach: best bet will be sbeattie  for that
[16:33] <davmor2> I only use the default
[16:33] <dholbach> sbeattie: my friend!
[16:34] <dholbach> thanks muchly davmor2
[16:34] <davmor2> dholbach: np's
[16:50] <davmor2> slangasek: wubi done
[16:50] <slangasek> \o/
[16:51]  * davmor2 moves onto his second release of the day
[16:52] <charlie-tca> thanks, davmor2
[17:38] <marjo> hggdh, sbeattie: i've asked ttx to join in
[17:38] <hggdh> k
[17:38] <sbeattie> doh, yeah, dholback either wanted FLAVORS=ubuntu-netbook or kubuntu-netbook or VARIANTS=netbook
[17:38] <sbeattie> err, dholbach.
[17:39] <sbeattie> davmor2: ^^^
[17:39] <davmor2> dholbach was the man wanting to know
[17:39] <hggdh> sbeattie: you need SAN spce, or a server, plus PXE
[17:40] <hggdh> the server must support iSCSI
[17:40] <marjo> ttx: topic is: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4133 optional test cases
[17:43] <sbeattie> hggdh: what does a server need to support iSCSI? Just software from the archive, or anything physical?
[17:44] <sbeattie> I do not have a SAN.
[17:44] <ttx> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/result/4133/497 -> I can only run it on my testcloud, you need 3 machines and one with 2 NICs
[17:45] <slangasek> there's a daemon in the archive that provides an iscsi target, but I have no idea if it works
[17:45] <hggdh> sbeattie: this is a part I am not sure. I *think* software is all that is needed
[17:45] <ttx> I know Dustin can't run it since he doesn't have the extra NIC needed on one of the laptop
[17:45] <slangasek> ara did the iscsi testing in RC, no?
[17:45] <ttx> But that one was successfully run (by me) on RC
[17:46] <sbeattie> slangasek: yeah, looks like she documented what she did at http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/ServeriSCSIRoot/KVMExample
[17:46] <slangasek> ok, cool
[17:48] <sbeattie> okay, I think server side all I need is iscsitarget, I've already got the ability to PXE boot (with a little difficulty)
[17:48] <hggdh> ttx, do you need a real NIC, or another logical interface?
[17:49]  * sbeattie fires up his machine with a dead disk to see if it will PXE boot.
[17:50] <ttx> hggdh: a real NIC helps... you need fast networking between the components. Otherwise you might uncover wrong bugs
[17:51] <hggdh> ah, OK.
[17:51] <ttx> also it's slightly tricky to set up, you need DHCP on both networks (or add extra steps to configure the NC network)
[17:53] <hggdh> yeah, easier to have two completely different networks
[18:12] <slangasek> the only outstanding test that hasn't been claimed is Xubuntu netboot amd64 - any takers?
[18:14] <sbeattie> I did or am doing all the other amd64 netboot tests, so I'd like to get someone else to do that one to get a second tester of the iso.
[18:16] <fader_> slangasek: I'll jump on that grenade; almost done with the kubuntu OEM install
[18:17] <fader_> Oh wait, netboot
[18:17] <fader_> I'm not set up for that atm; it might be faster for someone else to hit it
[18:17] <fader_> If nobody else is available I'll set up an environment though
[18:19] <cyphermox> slangasek, if nobody took it yet I could start it in a vm
[18:26] <marjo> cyphermox: go for it
[18:27] <fader_> Hmm, I'm getting a hang when trying to shut down kubuntu after running oem-config... it's happened twice now
[18:28] <davmor2> fader_: don't be breaking stuff this far in
[18:28] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah, tell me about it
[18:28] <davmor2> fader_: you on vm
[18:28] <fader_> This is amd64 in virtualbox
[18:28] <fader_> davmor2: Yeah
[18:28] <fader_> I wonder if it's related to bug 570223
[18:28] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 570223 in linux (Ubuntu) "live-cd session can't shutdown or close the system (affects: 1) (heat: 6)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570223
[18:28] <davmor2> fader_: leave for a minute I'll try it here on hw after tea
[18:29] <fader_> davmor2: Awesome, thanks.  I'm going to re-install again and see if I can narrow this one down some too
[18:30] <czajkowski> davmor2: 7 reboots and i get it up and runnin
[18:31] <fader_> Also seeing bug 539027 on real hardware, which is just ugly
[18:31] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 539027 in casper (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "end_request: I/O error rebooting at end of install Lucid (affects: 8) (dups: 1) (heat: 54)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539027
[19:02] <fader_> So it looks like it happens whenever I try to reboot or shut down after running oem-config, but that's it
[19:02] <fader_> Rebooting and shutting down before oem-config works, and if I power it off the hard way when it hangs, it works well after that
[19:02] <fader_> davmor2: ^^ for your reproducing pleasure :)
[19:19] <davmor2> fader_: live or alternate?
[19:19] <fader_> davmor2: live
[19:19] <davmor2> righto
[19:32] <davmor2> fader_: if this works do I get to beat you with a hockey stick?
[19:32] <fader_> davmor2: Sure :)
[19:32] <fader_> davmor2: Are you testing on real hardware or a vm?
[19:32] <davmor2> one of ours not one of yours :D
[19:47] <davmor2> Yay I get to beat fader_ with a uk hockey stick :D
[19:48] <fader_> davmor2: So it works for you?
[19:48] <davmor2> Oh yes
[19:48] <fader_> Huh
[19:48] <fader_> On real hardware or a VM?
[19:48] <davmor2> hw
[19:49] <fader_> I wonder if it's just me, or if it's virtualbox
[19:53] <davmor2> fader_: I'm just going through all the power off options just to be sure it's not a fluke
[19:53] <fader_> davmor2: Thanks!
[19:54] <davmor2> hibernate, suspend and restart work so far
[19:55] <davmor2> and now power off.  Must just be you dude sorry ;)
[19:56] <davmor2> could be vm with the same issue as xubuntu
[20:01] <fader_> Yeah, sounds like it
[20:01] <fader_> If it works on real hardware that's better :)
[20:02] <sbeattie> what, oems don't ship virtual machines? :-)
[20:04] <davmor2> fader_: did you upset Riddell at some point I found this ">>>if user != 'fader':           ...    work = True"  ;)
[20:04] <fader_> Heheh
[20:20] <davmor2> Yeah Babe all green
[20:21] <marjo> davmor2 I think we're near 100%!
[20:44] <cyphermox> bladernr, re: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765 , I don't think it's been established that there couldn't be an update to the kernel very early post-release... so yeah, it's bad, but I guess there is still a chance to fix this in a decent way
[20:44] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems (affects: 6) (heat: 36)" [Undecided,New]
[20:56] <bladernr> cyphermox:  indeed, just the context seems to be that it's being pushed to "read the release notes and grab an update" and from the perspective of the new user, having to immediately sudo grub-update from a CLI (especially if the new user has never touched a CLI before) is horrifying.  I do hope this gets pushed before tomorrow.
[20:58] <bladernr> cyphermox:  I'd be more accepting of release-notes for this if it were an OS targeted to already tech savvy users (e.g. RHEL or SLES environments) but being one who teaches a formal "Intro to Linux" class, my students would be lost on day one if they went home and tried installing and lost their Windows Installs.
[20:58] <cyphermox> bladernr, hmm... this would really benefit from having its importance set at the very least
[21:01] <bladernr> cyphermox:  heh... someone's going to get upset with me...
[21:01] <cyphermox> bladernr, you probably shouldn't change it yourself :)
[21:03] <charlie-tca> I confirmed it, too
[21:04] <charlie-tca> bladernr: I agree that new users should not have to be guessing about what is / is not deleted, just because they installed the latest Ubuntu
[21:04] <cyphermox> charlie-tca, awesome, thanks
[21:04] <bladernr> cyphermox:  meh... what's done is done.  If it's upsetting, one of the people who gets the update can change it back.
[21:04] <bladernr> or demote it at least
[21:04] <charlie-tca> or fix it by next week
[21:04] <cyphermox> bladernr, I was less concerned about upsetting people because of it being set to critical than because you set the importance on your own bug ;)
[21:06] <bladernr> cyphermox:  I usually don't but this is one of those rare exceptions.  I usually never touch a bug I've filed except to comment or add data (usually == ~99,9% of the time)
[21:06] <bladernr> charlie-tca:  thanks from me too
[21:11] <charlie-tca> you are both welcome
[22:53] <primes2h> Hi all, there is a critical bug 570765 reported yesterday..
[22:53] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems (affects: 6) (heat: 40)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570765