[00:02]  * Moe points at the topic
[01:20] <jdobrien> Book our system is down
[01:20] <jdobrien> is there anyone here called ribee?
[01:56] <duanedesign> does anyone have any input concerning this error.  ubuntuone-preferences - ERROR - DesktopCouch replication API not found
[02:42] <CreativeChemist> so I just signed up for ubuntuone and synced it to my machine but for some reason it refusses to connect
[02:42] <CreativeChemist> is it STILL under maintenance?
[02:43] <duanedesign> CreativeChemist: i think it might be
[02:43] <CreativeChemist> dang nabbit
[02:44] <CreativeChemist> well if it works as described (whenever the heck maintenance is done) I shall be impressed
[04:44] <Chipaca> we're back
[04:44] <Chipaca> :)
[04:44] <Chipaca> CreativeChemist: duanedesign: we're back!
[04:44] <Chipaca> and the awesome has returned
[04:45] <Chipaca> aw, man, what was it I had to do to change this topic?
[04:45] <Chipaca> ladies and gentlement, the man of the moment, mr storage sharding in person, jdobrien!
[04:46] <jdobrien> shhh ....he's sleeping
[04:46] <Chipaca> oops, sorry
[04:46] <Chipaca> buy him a beer keg when he comes up from his exhausted coma
[04:46] <CreativeChemist> synchronizing in process
[04:47] <CreativeChemist> wow
[04:47] <CreativeChemist> YAY
[04:47] <CreativeChemist> first time I've done this :)
[04:47] <Chipaca> now is a good time for it to be your first time :)
[04:48] <CreativeChemist> I just played around with stellarium for the first time.... beautiful
[04:48] <CreativeChemist> soo much info
[04:48] <joshuahoover> Chipaca: very true!
[04:50] <CreativeChemist> why now?
[04:51] <pfibiger> CreativeChemist: we just ended a downtime period where we made some significant architectural and hardware changes that should result in better performance for users
[04:51] <CreativeChemist> hmm cool :)
[04:52] <CreativeChemist> pfibiger,  you work on the project?
[04:52] <beuno> CreativeChemist, he's the operations manager
[04:52] <beuno> brave man
[04:53] <CreativeChemist> very brave
[04:53] <CreativeChemist> lets see how long my first synch takes
[04:57] <CreativeChemist> how long should a synch take? Tis less then 100 mb
[05:01] <blistov> 10.04 daily (today)  how do i actually connect ubuntuone now?
[05:01] <blistov> There doesn't seem to be any option in ubuntuone-prefs
[05:01] <CreativeChemist> under devices I believe
[05:02] <Chipaca> blistov: it should be connecting automatically on startup, if you have done the oauth dance
[05:02] <Chipaca> CreativeChemist: please tell us how long it takes :)
[05:02] <blistov> where oauth/
[05:02] <CreativeChemist> Chipaca,  I shall announce it to world when its finally done
[05:02] <blistov> Chipaca, whats the oauth dance :) ?
[05:02] <blistov> doesn't automatically connect at startup.
[05:03] <blistov> 3 new 10.04 installs today.
[05:03] <Chipaca> CreativeChemist: you can watch the progress of the current file with u1sdtool --current-transfers, and of the queue with --waiting-content
[05:03] <Chipaca> CreativeChemist: (on a terminal)
[05:04] <Chipaca> blistov: well, the first time you start ubuntuone-preferences (or click on 'ubuntu one' in the me menu) you should be taken to a website to log in to the service
[05:04] <blistov> Chipaca, yup.  I logged in and it did nothing.
[05:04] <CreativeChemist> Chipaca,  current uploads 0
[05:04] <CreativeChemist> uh oh
[05:05] <Chipaca> blistov: heh, I think we have a bug where it doesnt' start syncing the first time
[05:05] <blistov> :)
[05:05] <blistov> woot.
[05:05] <Chipaca> blistov: you can either log out and back in, or do u1sdtool -c
[05:05] <Chipaca> CreativeChemist: what does u1sdtool -s say?
[05:05] <joshuahoover> blistov: you'll need to make sure you click on the "Devices" tab and then click the connect button there
[05:06] <joshuahoover> blistov: we just added some new setup instructions that better explain the process, would love to know if it makes any sense :) https://one.ubuntu.com/support/installation/
[05:06] <Chipaca> or that, the first time :)
[05:06] <Chipaca> joshuahoover: thanks
[05:06] <CreativeChemist> Chipaca,  http://shorttext.com/km1jnw4iri
[05:07] <joshuahoover> blistov: and, yes, we're going to make it so you don't have to click the connect button after setting things up
[05:07] <duanedesign> you guys burning the midnight oil tonight :)
[05:07] <blistov> Hrm... hitting connect doesn't do anything either.
[05:08] <CreativeChemist> Chipaca,  I just hit disconnect then hit connect again... ermmm, its no longer connecting
[05:09] <blistov> I get the feeling if it screws up on the first try, you no longer get directed to the sso.
[05:09] <blistov> Where does u1 keep its config/cache?
[05:09] <blistov> brb
[05:10] <duanedesign> there has been a weird bug that affects people on Lucid when trying to add computer to U1
[05:10] <Chipaca> I think I should go to sleep
[05:11] <duanedesign> u1sdtool -q; killall ubuntuone-login    then open Ubuntu One from the Me Menu and you should be prompted to add computer
[05:11] <Chipaca> CreativeChemist: good luck with that! sorry I can't be much more help right now
[05:12] <duanedesign> blistov: sounds like that may be what is happening to you.
[05:24] <blistov> how can I reset all my u1 settings?
[05:44] <blistov> so how do I know now when ubuntuone is in sync?  the icon has a big green check on it, and no other signs of movement, but its not synced.
[05:45] <blistov> honk
[05:49] <blistov> hrm.. now its synced, but there's no status anywhere.  how do we know now  if u1 is synced?  (i want the icon back)
[06:08] <duanedesign> blistov: hello
[06:08] <duanedesign> blistov: are you using Karmic
[06:10] <duanedesign> i am not sure if Karmmic has it, but the newer versions of U1 have some options in u1sdtool
[06:11] <duanedesign> like u1sdtool --waiting-content . You can check available options with: man u1sdtool
[06:37] <elzapp> duanedesign: karmic has --current-transfers but none of the --waiting* options
[06:39] <elzapp> but if the last line of u1sdtool -s says IDLE, it *should* be synced
[06:39] <duanedesign> elzapp: does Karmic have the -s option for u1sdtool
[06:40] <elzapp> I believe so, one moment, I'll check
[06:41] <duanedesign> for some reason i thought it did not
[06:42] <elzapp> Nah... it doesn't
[06:42] <duanedesign> here is the dbus command to get the same info on Karmic
[06:42] <duanedesign> dbus-send --session --print-reply  --dest=com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon --type=method_call /status com.ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.Status.current_status
[06:42] <elzapp> Now I remember that I made my own u1status script using python and dbus
[06:43] <elzapp> yeah
[06:45] <duanedesign> elzapp: at one point rye made a script that outputs the current_status to notifications.
[06:47] <elzapp> yep, that was what I did as well... if you by notifications mean org.freedesktop.Notifications
[06:48] <elzapp> I got started working on the signals from syncdaemon as well, but never finished that
[06:50] <elzapp> By the way, why is there no status applet for u1 in lucid?
[06:50] <duanedesign> elzapp: here is the script. http://people.ubuntu.com/~duanedesign/U1/syncdaemon-monitor.py
[06:51] <duanedesign> elzapp: there is a lot of debate on the  getting rid of the applet
[06:52] <elzapp> Nice, he uses the signals :)
[06:52] <elzapp> Thanks
[06:53] <elzapp> I can see why it's removed in the default setup, but I really think you should be able to enable it
[06:55] <duanedesign> elzapp: I am running that script. It looks like it might need to be updated a little
[06:55] <duanedesign> a couple of info fields dont seem to be showing up
[06:56] <elzapp> which ones are you missing?
[06:57] <duanedesign> when i hit disconnect and its in 'Waiting' State only the description shows
[06:58] <duanedesign> im trying to get it to show me a few different states
[06:59] <duanedesign> is_error and is_online dont seem to be showing
[07:00] <elzapp> If they're false they'll display as empty
[07:00] <duanedesign> maybe False prints nothing?
[07:00] <duanedesign> aha :)
[07:00] <elzapp> and in waiting I guess it should be false
[07:00] <duanedesign> thanks. yep
[07:03] <elzapp> http://elzapp.com/~base/syncdaemon-monitor.py should display it "correctly"
[07:03] <duanedesign> elzapp: nice! thank you.
[07:05] <elzapp> I love python
[07:05] <duanedesign> me too
[07:05] <elzapp> all that was needed was to add "or 'false'" to the parameter
[07:05] <elzapp> for the variable interpolation
[07:07] <duanedesign> i have been working on a 'package sync' application that uses U1 and CouchDB to sync your package list
[07:08] <elzapp> interesting
[07:14] <elzapp> By the way, thumbs up to rye for readable code :)
[07:28] <elzapp> duanedesign: does syncdaemon reconnect between each transfer for you too?
[07:31] <duanedesign> between each file?
[07:32] <elzapp> yes
[07:34] <duanedesign> elzapp: that is strange
[07:35] <duanedesign> did you file a bug on this? I think i might of saw it. Or one on the same topic
[07:39] <elzapp>  discussed this with someone on monday, they thought it was caused by the overloaded servers, but now... that problen should be solved, so this is something else
[07:40] <elzapp> so, I haven't filed a bug on it yet
[07:41] <elzapp> Now I'm extending rye's script to get a bit more info on what actually happens
[07:48] <elzapp> It doesn't seem to be related to the transfers, because it also does it in the middle of transfers
[08:13] <elzapp> duanedesign: when rye's script says "uploaded file", it means "started upload of file"
[08:27] <elzapp> Someone asked yesterday what was calling current_status and current_downloads every five seconds... That would probably be Rhythmbox
[08:30] <Moe> good morning everyone
[08:30]  * Moe decided to lurk around until rye arrives
[08:38] <duanedesign> morning Moe
[08:38] <Moe> Hello there
[08:59] <elzapp> Is this still caused by overloaded servers or is it something else? http://elzapp.com/~base/u1reconnects.txt
[09:23] <elzapp> Here is a better log: http://pastebin.com/Ps8hSQjH
[09:23] <elzapp> I've hilighted some parts I think is relevant
[09:23] <rye> elzapp, my sd is now doing server rescan and i will see whether it gets disconnected on upload. But the sync remained rather slow
[09:23] <rye> hmmm
[09:24] <elzapp> Morning rye
[09:24] <rye> elzapp, good morning!
[09:26] <Moe> Hey rye
[09:26] <rye> Moe, hi, i am d/l'ing xubuntu iso now :)
[09:26] <Moe> rye: I got the root cause of the problem .. Xubuntu is setting a custom XDG_CONFIG_DIRS in /usr/share/xubuntu/xsession.sh
[09:27] <Moe> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/annotate/head:/usr/share/xubuntu/session.sh
[09:27] <Moe> Which overwrites anything done to that variable
[09:27] <rye> why?..
[09:27] <Moe> No idea .. I talked to Lionel already
[09:27] <rye> that should break a lot of apps if they followed xdg standard...
[09:27] <Moe> He answered back yet
[09:27] <Moe> *hasn't
[09:35] <Moe> rye: Modified the session.sh now with some bash checking ..
[09:35] <Moe> rye: http://pastie.org/938817
[09:35] <Moe> Now ubuntuone-preferences works again
[09:36] <Moe> Though, really, session.sh shouldn't mess with those variables at all
[09:36] <Moe> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set by 60xdg_path-on-session .. XDG_DATA_DIRS is set inside startxfce4
[10:06] <elzapp> rye: Do you think the log I pasted will be enough to debug the problem if I report it in lp?
[10:08] <rye> elzapp, based on the server-side logs it keep loosing connection... i believe you can create the bug report with client-side logs and I will add some server-side info
[10:08] <elzapp> Ok
[10:09] <elzapp> Where should I report it?
[10:11] <Moe> rye: FYI, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/571133
[10:12] <rye> elzapp, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+filebug
[10:12] <Moe> Ow, sorry, I didn't know there'd be an announcement
[10:12] <elzapp> thx, rye
[10:12] <rye> Moe, ubottu is our friendly bot :)
[10:12] <Moe> Figures :)
[10:21] <elzapp> There, rye : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/571142
[10:22] <elzapp> meh, ubottu, wrong project :p
[10:29] <rye> elzapp, ubottu responds with such helpful message on private bug reports
[10:30] <elzapp> Yep I just wasn't aware that it was private. Now it's public... make it private again if it's necessary to keep your server logs private
[10:39] <Moe> alright, the deed is done
[10:39] <Moe> rye: Hope this gets resolved soon
[10:39] <Moe> bye
[10:47] <psypher246> hello al, anyone here?
[10:54] <rye> psypher246, yep
[10:54] <psypher246> hey rye, i have now upgraded to lucid and decided i just can't suffer the 2 days sync issue anymore so i have deltede everything everywhere and am starting from scratch and already nothing will sycn, pls assist if u can
[10:55] <rye> psypher246, i am waiting for the server side guys to appear online - the sync currently is extremely bad
[10:55] <psypher246> oh so there arte issue right now?
[10:55] <psypher246> right now i cannot even connect my pc
[10:55] <rye> psypher246, yes, the syncdaemon drops connection before it can do anything
[10:55] <psypher246> yup
[10:56] <psypher246> ok so i must try again tomorrow
[10:57] <rye> psypher246, i can't give any official information regarding this but IMHO something is wrong with syndaemon <-> file storage . web ui works super fast
[10:57] <psypher246> ok, re the web ui, i have a suggestion, is launchpad the best place to make it?
[10:57] <elzapp> I've managed to sync ruffly 100 files in 4 days (about 300mb)
[11:04] <psypher246> rye: the web ui requires some kind of visual notification when you click remove you have no idea if it's actually removing anything, took up to 5 minutes of clicking around to show the folder is now deleted
[11:09] <rye> psypher246, hmmm
[11:10] <rye> psypher246, are you talking about the new files ui w/o trees ?
[11:10] <psypher246> rye: a nice little progress bar would be great
[11:10] <psypher246> rye: no
[11:10] <psypher246> rye: i had my 2gb home folder there
[11:10] <psypher246> removed it
[11:10] <psypher246> yet it still stays there
[11:10] <psypher246> try remove again, still looks like it's there
[11:11] <rye> psypher246, you removed it via the web ui, right?
[11:11] <psypher246> yes
[11:11] <psypher246> just some indication that the files are being removed would be great, especially with big folders
[11:12] <rye> psypher246, ok, i see what you mean - once 'delete' request is issued there is no notification on what is currently happening
[11:12] <psypher246> rye: yes
[11:12] <rye> psypher246, ok, this is definitely a subject for a bug report...
[11:13] <psypher246> oh ok, will log one then :)
[11:13] <psypher246> shame u guys must be busting hump to get stuff ready for tomorrow?
[11:15] <rye> psypher246, well, the web site is all new and shiny
[11:15] <psypher246> rye: ye i see
[11:17] <rye> psypher246, ok, now just waiting for the developers to appear... This interruption of the service will bring karmic client completely down (due to state errors) and Lucid ones will be pretty happy to reconnect...
[11:17]  * rye is waiting...
[11:24] <psypher246> rye: ok will retry
[14:10] <Bookman> I'm running Ubuntu 9.10 and my Ubuntuone does not seem to be syncing anymore.  Do I have to manually start it up every session?
[14:13] <duanedesign> Bookman: which version are you running? 'apt-cache policy ubuntuone-client'
[14:17] <Bookman> duanedesign, Installed: 1.1.3+r409-0ubuntu2~ppa1~karmic
[14:20] <duanedesign> Bookman: files you place in your U1 folder are not syncing? This just started happening, meaning it worked before?
[14:21] <Bookman> Yes, it used to work.
[14:22] <duanedesign> Bookman: is Ubuntu One 'Connected' right now?
[14:25] <duanedesign> Bookman: what does 'u1sdtool -s' say?
[14:33] <Bookman> connection: Not User With Network
[14:33] <Bookman> description: ready to connect
[14:33] <Bookman> is_connected: False
[14:34] <beuno> Bookman, try u1sdtool -c
[14:35] <Bookman> Ok, now -s gives:
[14:35] <Bookman> State: AUTHENTICATE
[14:35] <Bookman> connection: With User With Network
[14:36] <Bookman> description: doing auth dance
[14:36] <Bookman> is_connected: True
[14:37] <Bookman> Seems to be connected and working now.  Do I have to start it that way each session?
[14:38] <beuno> no, I think it should auto-connect
[14:39] <Bookman> I'm still getting this though:
[14:39] <Bookman> is_online: False
[14:40] <beuno> Bookman, right, it takes a local and server rescan to be online
[14:41] <Bookman> Ah, got you.  It is doing that now.
[14:43] <Bookman> Thanks.
[14:47] <jay-tmt-2> I have 54 files in my web interface that are grayed-out and have a status of "uploading."  Several months ago I deleted these files from the folder that once contained them, yet Ubuntu One is still 'waiting' for them.  What can I do about this?
[14:48] <beuno> jay-tmt-2, nothing for now. They will be cleaned up in our servers soon and should never happen again
[14:48] <beuno> jdobrien and Chipaca know more about this
[14:49] <jdobrien> jay-tmt-2, we're going to clean those out
[14:49] <jay-tmt-2> Great, thanks beuno
[14:49] <jay-tmt-2> Thanks jdobrien
[14:49] <Chipaca> jay-tmt-2: the only downside to you personally is that you can't upload a file called like that until we clean up
[14:50] <jdobrien> Chipaca, why not?
[14:50] <jdobrien> Chipaca, oh..I see
[14:50] <jdobrien> hmm
[14:51] <Chipaca> jdobrien: or are we no longer honoring upload reservations at all?
[14:51] <jdobrien> Chipaca, Im not familair with upload reservations
[14:51] <jdobrien> Chipaca, we create an uploadjob in the api server for the file
[14:52] <jdobrien> Chipaca, when it's done, the upload job 'commits' the content to the file
[14:52] <jdobrien> Chipaca, which basically means it creates a contentblob and assigns it to the file
[14:52] <Chipaca> jdobrien: can you do two upload jobs for the same filename at the same time?
[14:53] <jdobrien> Chipaca, we have a bug for that :)
[14:54] <jdobrien> Chipaca, oh same filename
[14:54]  * jdobrien checks
[14:54] <Chipaca> I mean full path
[14:54] <jdobrien> yes
[14:54] <jdobrien> same volume same directory same name
[14:54] <Chipaca> before, you'd create an upload reservation, and that would lock the full path
[14:54] <Chipaca> on success, you'd push the file
[14:55] <Chipaca> that was made better, and so we no longer get stale files such as jay-tmt-2's
[14:55] <jdobrien> Chipaca, 'was made better'?
[14:55] <Chipaca> but I thought the basic "you can't upload if there is a no-content file" still exists
[14:55] <Chipaca> jdobrien: I'm a manager, what do I know? some magic ju ju programmering stuff
[14:55] <jdobrien> Chipaca, you know more than me
[14:55]  * Chipaca goes back to mannagering
[14:56] <jdobrien> you can't whip out the 'what do I know, Im a manager' card willy nilly with me
[14:57] <Chipaca> darn
[14:57] <Chipaca> *almost*
[14:58] <Chipaca> jdobrien: I believe making the thing atomic was a prerequisite of resumable uploads that got done
[14:58] <Chipaca> jdobrien: but I don't know for sure
[15:00] <jdobrien> Chipaca, make_file returns the old file if a file exists with the same name
[15:17] <BramSmulders> Hi there
[15:18] <BramSmulders> I'm stuck with a Ubuntu One question and I hope any of you can help me out here
[15:19] <BramSmulders> Some days back I decided to sync my ~/Documents folder with Ubuntu One. Since then, all sub folders and files started appearing on Ubuntu One, with files being marked as "uploading"
[15:20] <BramSmulders> nothing happened from there... No files were actually being uploaded. I decided to stop syncing. I expected it would remove all files from Ubuntu One again, but it didn't
[15:20] <BramSmulders> they are all still there, and when I look at my local files in Nautilus, they are still marked as to be synced.
[15:20] <rye> BramSmulders, there is an ongoing work at the moment now to make file sync faster
[15:21] <BramSmulders> Hi rye, thanks for trying to help me out here
[15:21] <rye> BramSmulders, the queue processing is very slow at the moment, you say that you decided to stop syncing - how did you do that?
[15:22] <BramSmulders> I right clicked my local ~/Documents folder and clicked "stop syncing" (or something like that)
[15:24] <BramSmulders> Is there a way to easily "start from scratch?" I would like to just remove all files in ubuntu one, and mark everything on my pc as not being synced
[15:28] <bac> hi verterok, yesterday i synced 14/20 songs but then had to suspend my computer for the evening.  the syncdaemon is still in WORKING_ON_BOTH
[15:29] <verterok> bac: ok, so, it's sloooow but working
[15:29] <CardinalFang> Wow, Python interpretation is growing exponentially.  Jython, Iron, PyPy, Unladen.  Now I learn about Shedskin, a Python-to-C++ compiler looks interesting.  (Don't diff the two code blocks, here.) Some blog:  http://www.korokithakis.net/node/117  Actual Shedskin web:  http://code.google.com/p/shedskin/
[15:29] <bac> verterok: yeah.  too bad i left my laptop in my car overnight...
[15:29] <verterok> bac: check the output of u1sdtool --waiting-content or u1sdtool --waiting-metadata
[15:30] <bac> verterok: -wc shows 8 songs to sync
[15:32] <verterok> bac: so, it's ok? I mean those are the missing songs?
[15:33] <bac> verterok: it looks like it is listing some that have already synced.  perhaps not completely, though.
[15:33] <bac> verterok: i'll see what it looks like in a few hours
[15:33] <BramSmulders> rye: are you there?
[15:33] <verterok> bac: hmm, probably...but it shouldn't leave partial files around
[15:33] <verterok> bac: ok, thanks for the update!
[15:34] <rye> BramSmulders, yes, i am. Currently even ubsubscribing from folder syncing on Ubuntu One will be slow, so it needs to process all Metadata Queue first
[15:35] <rye> BramSmulders, u1sdtool --waiting-meta will show you what it is processing
[15:35] <BramSmulders> rye: thanks, let me try that out
[15:37] <BramSmulders> rye: that's quite a list of files being unlinked indeed... I'll leave my computer on overnight for it to process everything in the queue
[15:37] <rye> BramSmulders, unlinked?
[15:37] <rye> hmmm
[15:37] <rye> BramSmulders, have you removed any files/folders from local machine or web interface?
[15:37] <BramSmulders> rye: yeah, that's what it says... it shouldn't do that?
[15:38] <BramSmulders> yeah, some on my local machine
[15:38] <rye> BramSmulders, could you please check that the filenames that it needs to delete actually corespond to what you have removed?
[15:39] <BramSmulders> rye: it just shows guids
[15:40] <BramSmulders> rye: every line is formatted as Unlink(share_id=<GUID>, node_id=<GUID>)
[15:40] <rye> BramSmulders, is there DeleteVolume along these lines?
[15:40] <BramSmulders> rye: no, that doesn't appear in the u1sdtool output
[15:41] <rye> BramSmulders, just in case, could you please create a backup of the directory?
[15:41] <BramSmulders> rye: I have quite a recent one, but I will indeed make a new one
[15:41] <rye> BramSmulders, just to be on a safe side
[15:42] <BramSmulders> rye: done... it was just about 750MB, but I have it backed up now
[15:43] <rye> BramSmulders, ok, could you please check what does u1sdtool --list-folders say?
[15:43] <BramSmulders> rye: it says "id=b086b6e8-5686-44a2-91fa-9854add3ad02 subscribed=True path=/home/bram/Documents"
[15:45] <rye> BramSmulders, ok, so it has not actually removed that. ok. You can unsubscribe the folder locally, - first disconnect syncdaemon - u1sdtool --disconnect
[15:45] <rye> BramSmulders, then u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder=b086b6e8-5686-44a2-91fa-9854add3ad02
[15:45] <rye> BramSmulders, then see how u1sdtool --list-folders changed
[15:46] <BramSmulders> rye: it now gives me: id=b086b6e8-5686-44a2-91fa-9854add3ad02 subscribed= path=/home/bram/Documents
[15:46] <BramSmulders> rye: so i guess that worked
[15:46] <rye> BramSmulders, now try to connect syncdaemon - u1sdtool --connect
[15:47] <BramSmulders> rye: done
[15:47] <rye> BramSmulders, you can check syncdaemon status via u1sdtool --status btw
[15:48] <BramSmulders> rye: ok, i'll give you the output of that:
[15:48] <BramSmulders> State: SERVER_RESCAN     connection: With User With Network     description: doing server rescan     is_connected: True     is_error: False     is_online: False     queues: WORKING_ON_BOTH
[15:48] <rye> BramSmulders, ok, it rescans the server now, which may take long time now
[15:49] <BramSmulders> rye: ok, i'll give it some time now... i guess the best thing to do now is to wait, right? i'll check once in a while what the status is, and what is listed in the --waiting-metadata output
[15:50] <rye> BramSmulders, yes, we will need to wait. I am following the internal conversation about the speed of the service so I believe i will adjust the subject once I feel it has improved
[15:54] <BramSmulders> rye: thanks for your help, i guess i will just disconnect from the channel now... it would otherwise be distracting me from work i'm afraid ;) if anything else pops up i'll get you informed. thanks once again
[15:58] <ibboT> I think I'm suffering from bug #551755 as I have similar symptoms, but I thought I'd check here as I'm not sure
[15:59] <ibboT> I recently bought an album from the Rhythmbox UbuntuOne music store, and only 4 out of 10 tracks were successful the remaining 6 say "There was a problem completing the download. Try downloading again." but the link to download again does nothing
[16:05] <duanedesign> ibboT: are the songs in your cloud storage. You can test this by going to  http://one.ubuntu.com/files  and look under User Defined Folders > Purchased from Ubuntu One
[16:07] <ibboT> duanedesign: the 4 that said they downloaded are there, the 6 which have the error message are not
[16:10] <duanedesign> rye: honk
[16:13] <rye> duanedesign, honk
[16:14] <duanedesign> rye: mr ibboT purchased some songs and they are not showing up in his /Purchased\ from\ Ubuntu\ One folder
[16:15] <duanedesign> thats is the Purchased folder online
[16:15] <rye> duanedesign, i'd redirect this to aquarius since this is most likely 7d <-> ubuntuone issue
[16:16] <rye> aquarius, ^ - "<ibboT> I recently bought an album from the Rhythmbox UbuntuOne music store, and only 4 out of 10 tracks were successful the remaining 6 say "There was a problem completing the download. Try downloading again." but the link to download again does nothing"
[16:16] <duanedesign> rye: ahh. ok i had not seen him today so I was unsure if he was 'in the house' :)
[16:17] <aquarius> ibboT, we're working on that at the moment; the retry link will start working soon. Sorry about that.
[16:18] <ibboT> aquarius: ok thanks
[17:27] <Technoviking> I have a computer that has not finished sync to U1 and it have been over a week, is that normal (for 600MB of data?)
[17:32] <elzapp> Technoviking: the syncing is pretty bad currently
[17:32] <elzapp> Technoviking: what version of Ubuntu are you running?
[17:32] <Chipaca> Technoviking: elzapp: the servers that talk to the desktop client are having issues right now
[17:32] <Chipaca> Technoviking: elzapp: that should be fixed later today :)
[17:33] <Technoviking> Ubuntu 10.04
[17:33] <Chipaca> Technoviking: we did a major revamp yesterday to fix the 'hard' issues that were making it slow all over the place
[17:33] <Chipaca> Technoviking: now we're being able to find isolated pockets of slow
[17:33] <elzapp> Chipaca: are you referring to the bug I reported this morning? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/571142
[17:35] <elzapp> Technoviking: In 10.04 the syncdaemon looses the connection between each filetransfer, and reconnects, that takes a while, so the syncing is really slow. On 9.10 it simply stops
[17:38] <Chipaca> elzapp: yes, that is one of the symptoms
[17:38] <elzapp> I'm looking forward to the fix :)
[17:46] <rye> Chipaca, how about me posting the notification about the maintenance that is being performed now?
[17:52] <infrasounds> Yo
[17:52] <infrasounds> How do i get my music into the ubuntu one music store?
[17:53] <infrasounds> honk
[17:53] <infrasounds> !
[17:54] <elzapp> infrasounds: one moment
[17:55] <bens> Hey guys, has anyone heard of the issue where SSO fails (for any reason) on the first attempt to connect U1, and then you aren't given another opportunity to attempt to connect again?
[17:55] <bens> Couple others noticed it today.
[17:56] <elzapp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ
[17:56] <rye> bens, "fails" with what message?
[17:57] <Chipaca> sill 3g modem POS
[17:57] <Chipaca> silly*
[17:57] <bens> rye, can be anything.  Get your password wrong the first try, close firefox before SSO, ... anything.
[17:57] <Chipaca> where were we?
[17:57] <bens> If the first attempt at SSO fails, you're hooped.
[17:57] <bens> Reproducible.
[17:57] <elzapp> infrasounds: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/FAQ Answer 15 under Music Store
[17:57] <Chipaca> ouch
[17:57] <Chipaca> bens: on any computer?
[17:57] <bens> You can then restart u1 and hit connect all you want, but you'll never be prompted for SSO again.
[17:57] <rye> bens, hm, i am regularly misspelling my password in sso, so nothing wrong noticed so far
[17:58] <bens> Chipaca, on any computer I've tried.
[17:58] <bens> rye, try just closing FF then?
[17:58] <bens> I've done it three times now, and just ran into a couple others with the same problem.
[17:58] <rye> bens, hmm... you mean when you hit connect - or run ubuntuone-preferences then browser is opened but when it is closed, no subsequent windows are opened when clicking connect
[17:59] <Chipaca> bens: is this during the same login session? does logging out let you retry?
[17:59] <rye> Chipaca, hm, ubuntuone-login switched to web server mode and stays in that mode forever?..
[17:59] <bens> rye, correct.
[18:00] <bens> Chipaca, logging out or rebooting does not result in another SSO attempt.
[18:00] <Chipaca> rye: that's what I'm guessing
[18:00] <Chipaca> bens: killing ubuntuone-login ?
[18:00] <bens> The only way I found to get promted again, was to delete and recreate my user/homedir and try again.
[18:00] <bens> Chipaca, killing doesn't work either.
[18:00] <Chipaca> then it's not a bug, it's gremlins
[18:00] <bens> I couldn't find where u1 stores its configs so I just wiped out my home dir and started again.
[18:00] <bens> ....
[18:01] <bens> Chipaca, I don't really care as I've got it working for myself.  Figured I'd let you guys know that lots of others are affected as well.
[18:02] <bens> The last guy I talked to had the same problem because he didn't know his password, so he changed it and tried connecting u1 again, but wasn't prompted for auth.
[18:02] <bens> Seems a bit scary to me that there's no way to force re-auth.
[18:02] <Chipaca> bens: lucid?
[18:02] <infrasounds> hi is there any support for double glazed windows my mate frank said it should work
[18:02] <bens> Chipaca, Lucid.
[18:03] <Chipaca> bens: can you reproduce it again so we step through the different things?
[18:03] <rye> bens, hm... killing ubuntuone-login should make subsequent auth requests to be running with re-started ubuntuone-login via dbus autostart
[18:03] <dobey> double glazed windows?
[18:03] <dobey> like for your house?
[18:03] <infrasounds> yes very high quality
[18:04] <bens> Chipaca, sure.  I just started u1-prefs for the first time on a new beta1 install.  SSO came up in FF, and i just closed it.
[18:04] <Chipaca> bens: knowing how the auth is triggered, I'm finding it hard to swallow that things are exactly as you've figured them to be. This doesn't mean there isn't an issue... and I'd love to be able to figure it out.
[18:04] <Chipaca> *beta1*?
[18:04] <bens> 10.04 beta1
[18:04] <Chipaca> that's rather old, but ok
[18:04] <rye> Chipaca, testing this now
[18:04] <bens> same problem with nightly .
[18:04] <bens> as of yesterday.
[18:04] <elzapp> rye: maybe syncdaemon, that is providing the dbus interfaces dies when it fails to use the existing sso-data, so that ubuntuone-login is unable to communicate with syncdaemon?
[18:05] <Chipaca> rye: thanks
[18:05] <bens> Anywho, I'm killing ubuntuone-login and tryin again.
[18:05] <dobey> rye: ubuntuone-login isn't even supposed to stay running very long
[18:05] <dobey> rye: if it is, there's some weird issue with it being so
[18:05] <Chipaca> bens: ok. and now?
[18:05] <bens> Closed u1-prefs, killed ubuntuone-login,...
[18:05] <bens> grr. and its working under beta1
[18:06] <bens> hrm...
[18:06] <bens> hang on.
[18:06] <bens> Positive this didn't work on my nightly build last night.
[18:08] <bens> Nope, you guys are right.  Its working.  I'll test again on my nightly when I get home.
[18:10] <rye> Chipaca, yes, if browser is closed before auth completed then ubuntuone-login does not react on syncdaemon connect/restart
[18:11] <Chipaca> bens: thanks. The critical bit should be killing ubuntuone-login
[18:11] <bens> rye, but killing ubuntuone-login does work (at least on beta1)
[18:11] <bens> Chipaca, Yup.
[18:11] <Chipaca> bens: if you think you did, maybe it was stuck and didn't go away with a mere kill?
[18:11] <bens> Chipaca, I don't think I've ever used anything but -9 :)
[18:12] <bens> When applications go sideways, its business time.
[18:12] <bens> so how do we see if things are syncing now?
[18:12] <Chipaca> bens: it's dbus activation doing the starting, so if it thinks the service is running it won't start a second one
[18:13] <bens> Chipaca, makes sense.
[18:13] <Chipaca> bens: depends ... u1sdtool -s is my favorite for that
[18:13] <bens> Chipaca, any plans for putting the sync tray icon back?
[18:14] <Chipaca> bens: no, but probably a notifications whatsit
[18:14] <Chipaca> ummm
[18:14] <Chipaca> messaging menu?
[18:14] <Chipaca> something like that
[18:14] <Chipaca> I'm in a maze of twisted little attention grabbers, all alike
[18:14] <elzapp> bens: I use this "command" to check the status of u1: watch "(u1sdtool --waiting-metadata|wc -l && u1sdtool --waiting-content|wc -l && u1sdtool --current-transfers && u1sdtool -s)"
[18:14] <rye> killall ubuntuone-login works...
[18:14] <rye> elzapp, i did something like http://people.canonical.com/~roman.yepishev/ubuntuone-scripts/syncdaemon-monitor.py
[18:15] <rye> elzapp, but that is more like for debugging rather than user-friendliness
[18:15] <elzapp> rye: Yeah. I know, I've used your script
[18:15] <elzapp> ...and improved it a little bit http://elzapp.com/~base/syncdaemon-monitor.py
[18:15] <Chipaca> you could use u1sdinfo :)
[18:17] <elzapp> u1sdinfo?
[18:17] <Chipaca> yes, 1 sec plz
[18:17] <Chipaca> gah my internet connection is a source of infinite pain
[18:18] <mewshi> I'm having trouble getting ubuntu one to link with my computer (Running 10.04).  Any ideas?
[18:19] <elzapp> Chipaca: I'll tell you about pain.... this laptop shuts down everytime it gets hot... and it gets hot everytime ubuntuone checksums files
[18:19] <bens> mewshi, lemme guess, you closed FF during SSO auth?
[18:19] <mewshi> bens, no
[18:19] <bens> oh?!
[18:19] <bens> mewshi, wait, whats it doing?
[18:19] <mewshi> it won't let me add this computer
[18:20] <bens> mewshi, failing with... errors? or just not doing anything?
[18:20] <mewshi> Ok, now it's working O.o
[18:21] <bens> :)
[18:21] <Chipaca> elzapp: u1info: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1IK/
[18:21] <Chipaca> elzapp: healthy amounts of ha-ha needed
[18:22] <Chipaca> elzapp: especially if you've never seen the ok/cancel strip of reference
[18:23] <elzapp> Chipaca: huh?
[18:24] <dobey> heh
[18:24] <elzapp> ah
[18:24] <elzapp> yeah
[18:25] <elzapp> Chipaca: that was some sexy GTK ....
[18:25] <Chipaca> are your eyes still working?
[18:25] <elzapp> well... they're burning
[18:26] <bens> Should throw in some animated gifs in there.
[18:26] <mewshi> why is it taking so long to sync up?
[18:27] <bens> mewshi, I'm noticing its taking a million years as well.  I'm not actually sure its syncing...
[18:27] <bens> hrm. nope its not.
[18:27] <mewshi> How to fix?
[18:27] <elzapp> mewshi: bens: it's reconnecting all the time
[18:27] <elzapp> it's a server problem
[18:27] <bens> Ahhh
[18:27] <elzapp> they're working on it
[18:27] <bens> That'd explain why I lost all my files yesterday then?
[18:28] <elzapp> a fix is ETA later today
[18:28] <elzapp> bens: I don't think that's related
[18:28] <bens> I put a bunch of rather important documents in u1, it said it was synced, I reinstalled my system and stupidly didn't check the web interface.
[18:28] <elzapp> bens: but it /could/ be related to the upgrades yesterday....
[18:28] <elzapp> ah
[18:29] <Chipaca> bens: ouch :(
[18:29] <elzapp> yes, that seems about right
[18:29] <bens> I get the feeling it didn't even try to sync.  That was on a 9.04 machine.
[18:29] <bens> Chipaca, yup.  Be another 5-10 hours on the phone tracking down numbers again :)
[18:29] <elzapp> Then you're right, bens
[18:29] <bens> Oh wel.
[18:29] <elzapp> 9.10 will just hang when it stumbles in the problem that makes the 10.04 u1 reconnect
[18:30]  * dobey smacks chipaca's typing hands
[18:30] <Chipaca> I can send you a ton of numbers if that's all they were :-p
[18:30] <Chipaca> dobey: what did I do? :(
[18:30] <dobey> base64 encoded glade file embedded in a string in a python script? bad!
[18:30] <dobey> :)
[18:30] <Chipaca> :-D
[18:31] <elzapp> :-D
[18:31] <Chipaca> base64 zipped glade file
[18:31] <dobey> oh right, zipped!
[18:31] <Chipaca> that's one thing that will be harder to do in py3k
[18:31] <rye> http://huayra.wordpress.com/2009/05/15/on-the-technology-behind-ubuntuone-ifolder-mono-and-all-that-jazz/
[18:31] <rye> wow
[18:31] <Chipaca> as they now frown on abusing codecs for that :)
[18:31] <dobey> you should have byte-compiled the python and compressed it too
[18:32] <mewshi> Hey
[18:32] <mewshi> it's syncing
[18:32] <Chipaca> dobey: that sounds like work
[18:32] <mewshi> just VERY VERY VERY slowly
[18:32] <Chipaca> mewshi: yes. And you'll get disconnected, and reconnect, and server rescan, and sync a bit
[18:32] <Chipaca> mewshi: we're working on it
[18:33] <mewshi> alright, thank you :)  This will be very useful for my document writing :3
[18:33] <bens> Is no one working on a u1 app for android?
[18:33] <bens> I haven't heard anything.
[18:33] <dobey> bens: it's a GSoC project
[18:34] <Chipaca> bens: there is a notes html5 app (with offline mode, aquarius?) that works on android
[18:34] <Chipaca> bens: if it's document writing, maybe that works :)
[18:35] <aquarius> Chipaca, not yet there isn't
[18:35] <aquarius> it's got offline mode, but it doesn't work fully yet, and it's not available to anyone :)
[18:35] <aquarius> bens, there is a GSoC project to build a native Android app, being done by mkarnicki
[18:35] <Chipaca> bens: I think it ignores formatting and is ugly and stuff, but I'm sure if I {emb,h}arrass him enough it'll be working RSN
[18:35]  * Chipaca grins innocently
[18:36] <aquarius> I plan to have the notes thing done fairly soon after lucid release
[18:36] <bens> I should probably learn a useful language and just start doing some of this stuff myself.
[18:37] <elzapp> aren't python available for android?
[18:37] <bens> elzapp, I havne't looked into it.
[18:37] <bens> Though I'm sorta right at the beginning of learning python.
[18:37] <elzapp> ah
[18:37] <bens> Just haven't had time to really delve into it.
[18:38] <mkarnicki> bens: \^ ^/
[18:38] <bens> I'm sure it could be made available either way, but most of the android devices have some amount of dalvik processing hardware to take advantage of.
[18:38] <bens> AFAIK
[18:38] <elzapp> I haven't checked, because I don't want to know, the Android-envy would kill me
[18:39] <Chipaca> elzapp: python is afaik in some kind of a jail and can't really reach out. Or maybe that is on another of these open/closed platforms.
[18:39] <aquarius> elzapp, no, it isn't.
[18:39] <aquarius> you can't make a standalone app with Python
[18:39] <aquarius> you can install the Android Scripting Environment
[18:39] <mkarnicki> bens: that is right. every app runs in it's own dalvik vm
[18:39] <aquarius> which lets you write Python scripits
[18:39] <aquarius> but those scripts can't present any sensible UI
[18:39] <aquarius> and you can't bundle a script into an apk
[18:39] <bens> mkarnicki, but do most of the devices have dalvik hardware?
[18:39] <aquarius> so it's not suitable for end users.
[18:39] <bens> ie: a single function dalvik processsor, or  a dalvik ext in the cpu?
[18:40] <dobey> android is a lot like an iphone
[18:40] <mkarnicki> bens: i guess only those that need such optimisations.. i'm not really sure.
[18:40] <elzapp> If/when I get an Android phone I guess I'd live with Java (Dalvik)
[18:41] <dobey> elzapp: get a Prē :)
[18:41] <bens> I couldn't imagine using a closed oS on my phone.
[18:41] <dobey> buy webos. more peopl eneed to buy webos phones
[18:41] <elzapp> Or an Nokia N900
[18:41] <bens> Hell I was running Linux on my htc apache, at the expense of barely being able to make calls :)
[18:41] <popey> i have files in my web u1 folder but they dont seem to be syncing down to either of my computers..
[18:41]  * popey says "honk"
[18:41] <mkarnicki> bens: haha, +fav
[18:41] <aquarius> elzapp, yeah. There are non-Java things you can do on Android and still get native apps -- http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/201x/2010/04/11/Other-Android-Languages has some links.
[18:42] <popey> u1sdtool says "doing server rescan" after I -q and -c it
[18:42] <elzapp> aquarius: Actually I'm quite happy to use Java as long as it is a recent java version (not 2.4 like j2me)
[18:43] <dobey> java is a bit of an overstatment of what android is exactly
[18:43] <dobey> it's not quite java
[18:43] <elzapp> dobey: it's java in the same sense as GWT is java
[18:43] <mkarnicki> it's far from it. the app layer is full of java aps, the core is C libraries and linux kernel
[18:44] <mkarnicki> *apps
[18:44] <mkarnicki> bens: how long have you run a non-closed source OS on your phone :) ?
[18:44] <mkarnicki> bens: because in my case just 1 year ago I was still using sony ericsson
[18:45] <dobey> elzapp: GWT isn't java either, but yes :)
[18:45] <bens> mkarnicki, hrm.. about 4 or 5 years I think?
[18:45] <elzapp> popey: there is issues with syncing. they're working on it. "doing server rescan" means that it is deciding what files to sync
[18:45] <rye> elzapp, i have motorola a1200 which is a linux based phone... but the whole gui and telecom parts are closed sourced. After the sources were "obtained" from motorola via questionable paths it turned out that that's just old phone system tied to PDA cpu with a duct tape..
[18:45] <popey> elzapp: thanks
[18:45] <bens> I had to give up my apache for a year for work, but convinced my employer to throw out my BB and get me some android boxes.
[18:45] <mkarnicki> bens: wow.. lucky you!
[18:46] <bens> Buuut, now I'm stuck with a Rogers Dream G1.  Worst combination ever.
[18:46] <elzapp> dobey: hence the comparation
[18:47] <bens> Long story short, Rogers has suck Android in Canada for the most part, by insisting on everyone using a hacked to crap Rogers build that never works.  If they find out you use anything else, they disconnect your service without notice.  I've been fighting them for about a year now.  I may have finally won.
[18:47] <mkarnicki> bens: I've got htc hero, I'm pretty happy with it. but can't wait for 2.1 with Sense, it should be out already here in Poland..
[18:47] <bens> mkarnicki, I'm waiting for some Tegra2 powered devices. I've given up on everyone else now.
[18:47] <mkarnicki> uu :/
[18:48] <bens> I want Notion Ink to make my next phone :)
[18:48] <mkarnicki> bens: you know more about cell phones then me. I'm not really proficient in that area ;d
[18:48] <elzapp> I've been contemplating buying a Nexus one.. but I guess with the latest Google deals that's out of the question
[18:48] <popey> elzapp: it's not on processing queues, i guess that means it's gonna start syncing files soon?
[18:49] <bens> mkarnicki, I don't know a lot.  Mostly just general info about Android, and a bit about GSM in general.  I've learned a lot this year while fighting with Rogers.
[18:49] <elzapp> popey: It's gonna start, sync one file, disconnect, reconnect, scan server  etc.... sync another file, disconnect.
[18:49] <mkarnicki> bens: at least that was the adventage, huh?
[18:49] <mkarnicki> :)
[18:50] <elzapp> popey: provided you're running 10.04
[18:50] <bens> (they started diverting all my calls because I wouldn't run their build.  I called 911, got diverted to rogers, pretended to die, threatened to sue, and got my account unstuck :)
[18:50] <elzapp> popey: if you're on 9.10 it will sync one file, and then die
[18:52] <elzapp> bens: yay! I'm happy no phonecompany in Norway acts like that...
[18:52] <bens> elzapp, Canada/US/England are all horrible.
[18:52] <bens> Everyone here is too stupid to realize how bad they're being screwed.
[18:53] <elzapp> bens: That's probably because they don't know anyone that has been living outside Canada/US/England
[18:54] <mkarnicki> bens: that story was scary. hope you won't have any more problems, but I can see they where pain in the a*s.
[18:54] <popey> elzapp: 10.04
[18:54] <rye> elzapp,  iPhones are not "officially" sold in Ukraine because no telecom here is actually selling any phones. People usually buy unlocked phones from official retailers w/o any way that telecom can alter firmware or control the phone content... Apple did not like that :)
[18:54] <elzapp> bens: Though, I didn't think England was as bad
[18:54] <bens> And because we all have heaps of money, we just accept being ripped off.
[18:54] <elzapp> rye: that's the way it usually works here in Norway too
[18:55] <elzapp> rye: the iPhone beeing the exception
[18:55] <elzapp> rye: Though, you can get an iPhone without a contract too in Norway
[18:55] <bens> elzapp, England is much better from what I've heard, but still not great.
[18:56] <elzapp> rye: but that's insanely expensive. It's actually better to break the contracts, then you'll get out for about two thirds of the full price
[18:57] <mkarnicki> i've gotta go for know, see you later guys.
[18:57] <elzapp> including the price you paid for it
[18:57] <elzapp> But, who'd want an iPhone anyways?
[18:58] <dobey> i'd want an iphone if it wasn't awful and huge
[18:58] <dobey> but the Prē is so much better
[18:58] <elzapp> I've never touched, or even seen, a palm pre
[18:58] <bens> In Canada, the people officially control the radio, but the govt. actually handles the sale of frequencies, and they auction them.. which means only 2 companies can afford to lease any frequencies.
[18:59] <dobey> elzapp: the touchscreen has meaning on webos :)
[18:59] <elzapp> bens: In norway we have 3 companies, and a shitload of smaller companies that use those three companies' radio
[19:01] <dobey> elzapp: same in the US, except s/3/4/
[19:01] <bens> elzapp, thats the same here.  Its such a scam.  If I could get ahold of a range to use, I could run a much faster SP, for less than a 20th the price everyone else is charging.
[19:01] <bens> but as it stands, two or three big SP's have a government enforced monopoly.. which the people should be pissed about....
[19:01] <elzapp> dobey: Touchscreen is actually one of the things that's holding me back... I want to be able to disable the keylock, switch song in the mp3-player, enable the keylock again while I'm working out without looking at the device
[19:02] <elzapp> bens: one of the companies are actually owned by the government
[19:02] <dobey> elzapp: sounds like something a bluetooth headset should have (media control buttons on the outside of the earpiece)
[19:03] <dobey> but i don't use my phone for an mp3 player, i use my mp3 player for an mp3 player
[19:04] <elzapp> dobey: yeah, but the sound in A2DP headsets sucks
[19:04] <elzapp> dobey: as big as phones are now, I don't want to carry around an additional device
[19:04] <bens> elzapp, A2DP has two output frequencies.
[19:05] <dobey> big?
[19:05] <bens> elzapp, I run A2DP from my handset to my competition truck stereo.  Sounds great.
[19:05] <dobey> of course, my iphod shuffle is super tiny too
[19:06] <elzapp> dobey: hehe, well for a while phones got smaller and smaller, now they seems to get bigger and bigger for more screen realestate
[19:06] <bens> elzapp, you can actually set this on your ubuntu box if you have bluetooth.  Should be an option for bt audio quality.
[19:06] <elzapp> bens: that isn't comparable to headsets
[19:07] <bens> elzapp, Depends on how far you want to take it.
[19:07] <bens> On my truck stereo, you can't tell the difference between wired and bt.
[19:07] <elzapp> bens: the problem is probably not with the bluetooth itself, but with the headsets
[19:08] <bens> elzapp, ... oh.... I guess.  I just bought a $12 off dealextreme and it's been great.
[19:08] <bens> are you talking about phone specific headsets?
[19:08] <elzapp> bens: brand? name?
[19:09] <bens> http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.8422
[19:09] <elzapp> bens: I've tried a few in stores, never bought one, they claimed to have good sound, but actually they were pretty bad. Not unberarable, but bad
[19:09] <bens> They're great for the price.  There are only two frequencies supported by A2DP AFAIK.
[19:09] <dobey> elzapp: eh, my phone isn't too big
[19:09] <bens> This headset supports both.
[19:10] <dobey> elzapp: the Prē is actually a good phone size
[19:10] <elzapp> dobey: Yeah, after what I've seen I'd agree
[19:10] <bens> The clip breaks real easily, and the range ain't great, but i've used mine for over a year of running 60 blocks every second day, rain or shine or blizzard :)
[19:10] <elzapp> bens: heh, that looks like a shuffle
[19:10] <bens> elzapp, little bit lighter than a shuffle .
[19:10] <bens> either way, can't go wrong for $12.
[19:11] <elzapp> bens: oooo... great... I can use any headset with it :D
[19:11] <bens> ?  It IS a headset.
[19:11] <bens> oh yea.
[19:11] <bens> just plug in your headphones.
[19:11] <elzapp> bens: that changes everything :)
[19:11] <elzapp> yes
[19:11] <bens> oooh ic what you're talking about now.
[19:11] <bens> hahah
[19:11] <bens> Yea, this is the best bt headset I've found.  Even has media controls.
[19:12] <bens> Buy two though.  The clips are garbage and will break and you'll have to make a necklace out of it.
[19:12] <bens> Oh, and it charges over usb.
[19:12] <elzapp> Now, does dealextreame ship to Norway=
[19:12] <elzapp> ?
[19:12] <bens> They ship world wide AFAIK.
[19:12] <bens> orders are usually received within 15 days.
[19:13] <bens> Though I've had orders that took 6 months due to supplier stock.
[19:13] <bens> Free shipping too :)
[19:13] <bens> man, who hasn't heard of DX :) ?
[19:13] <elzapp> If And I'll get two for under 200NOK, which means that there is no taxes on it to Norway :D
[19:14] <elzapp> bens: I've heard of it, I've just never used it
[19:14] <bens> They're fuckers, and they'll try to screw you occasionally, but overall I'm really happy with them.
[19:15] <bens> I buy tonnes of high output leds and flashlights from them.
[19:15] <bens> ie: single led 230Lumen 1W torches.
[19:15] <bens> or 1300 Lumen single leds for $5.
[19:22] <elzapp> There... two BT receivers ordered
[19:22] <elzapp> thanks, bens
[19:22] <dobey> heh
[19:23] <kklimonda> this is going to be funny question but who has written recently a blog about ubuntu one server infrastructure? ;)
[19:23] <dobey> kklimonda: bkuhn? ;)
[19:24] <kklimonda> no, it was a canonical employee, a guy who leads the team afair..
[19:28] <mkarnicki> kklimond: statik wrote one i think
[19:28] <mkarnicki> or aquarius, cant recall now. im in a tram.
[19:29] <kklimonda> mkarnicki: thanks, statik it was :)
[19:29] <mkarnicki> right!
[19:29] <kklimonda> statik: your posts don't show up on the ubuntu planet btw
[20:47] <elzapp> http://elliotmurphy.com/2010/04/15/a-few-words-about-ubuntu-one-servers/
[21:04] <infrasounds> support for double glazed windows?
[21:04] <infrasounds> any beta drivers
[22:06] <gille> hello
[22:06] <gille> wondering where to go to provide a little feedback on ubuntuone
[22:06] <ddecator> quick question: when setting up a new account using the option in the MeMenu, does u1 use 'firefox -no-remote' to open up the login page?
[22:08] <rye> ddecator, it uses xdg-open which uses whatever is configured in gnome or other environments
[22:08] <ddecator> rye: hm, thanks. right now there is a conflict where it can't open of firefox is already opened, trying to figure out the cause
[22:09] <rye> ddecator, are you running 2 displays?
[22:09] <beuno> gille, the mailing list is probably the best place
[22:12] <ddecator> rye: no. on fresh installs, if a person goes to the MeMenu, goes to Ubuntu One, enters a password (not sure why this is needed if the login page comes up anyway?), the preferences are shown and after a while firefox opens with the login page, but if firefox is running already then u1 tries to use it and it conflicts. i'm guessing it should open a new instance or open a new tab, but either way it's not working right (bug 569679)
[22:14] <rye> ddecator, i believe i know what happens
[22:14] <ddecator> rye: that'd be very useful =)
[22:15] <rye> ddecator, when ubuntuone-preferences is opened it signals syncdaemon (the sync service) to start. Syncdaemon in turn connects to ubuntuone server then checks whether it has required credentials by contacting ubuntuone-login service. That service finds nothing in user keyring and launches the browser.
[22:16] <dobey> rye: that's not entirely accurate
[22:16] <rye> BUT since the turnaround is extremely slow now, it is possible that you can get "manage my account" opened during the time when firefox is initializes...
[22:16] <dobey> rye: ubuntuone-preferences doen't tell syncdaemon to connect unless you push the button to do so
[22:16] <dobey> rye: it does however, require a log-in to be able to get the account info from the server
[22:17] <dobey> rye: so it will start the login process itself
[22:17] <ddecator> dobey: do you know how it calls firefox?
[22:17] <rye> ddecator, xdg-open $url
[22:17] <dobey> ddecator: ubuntuone-login just runs xdg-open, so however your system is configured to run firefox by defualt for opening urls, is how it gets called
[22:18] <ddecator> dobey rye: alright, thanks
[22:18] <dobey> ddecator: it may be that there is a weird issue in firefox that you are hitting, as well
[22:18] <rye> ddecator, http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ubuntuone/oauthdesktop/auth.py#L266
[22:18] <ddecator> dobey: well i know 'firefox -no-remote' doesn't work properly so that might be the issue..
[22:18] <ddecator> rye: perfect, thanks
[22:19] <dobey> ddecator: run gnome-default-applications-properties and see what it's configured to run
[22:20] <ddecator> dobey: alright, let me get the live session up..
[22:22] <gille> beuno: can't figure out the mailing list address... well, the issue I wanted to raise is the 'Add this computer' button - it simply wouldn't show up, no matter what, until I rebooted my computer
[22:23] <ddecator> dobey: hm, "Open link with web browser default" but i need to figure out what that default is..
[22:25] <dobey> ddecator: that's just whether to pass --new-window, --new-tab, or nothing
[22:25] <dobey> ddecator: and firefox doesn't have any UI to change it to --no-remote
[22:25] <ddecator> dobey: odd, i wonder why it doesn't use --new-tab...or if it does and it's not working
[22:25] <dobey> ddecator: what does it say in "Command:" ?
[22:26] <ddecator> dobey: firefox %s
[22:26] <dobey> ddecator: and if firefox is open, what happens when you just run "firefox https://one.ubuntu.com/" from a terminal?
[22:27] <ThomasBerends> hi, is it possible to run UbuntuOne on my own server? so that i have my files on my own server?
[22:28] <ddecator> dobey: opens in a new tab
[22:29] <dobey> ddecator: and if you run ubuntuone-preferences from a terminal, while firefox is already open?
[22:34] <ddecator> dobey: that time it opened a tab. i'm seeing what happens if i open firefox after opening the preferences but before it can launch firefox itself
[22:46] <dobey> hmm
[22:46] <ddecator> dobey: alright, so the first time it's run, if firefox was already open, then it creates a new tab. but, if firefox is opened after the preferences window comes up, but before u1 launches firefox, then you get the error, but firefox still opens the ubuntuone page (maybe that's the one that wins out?), but then doing it later times, if firefox is launched after the preferences window comes up, but "Manage Account" is clicked before firefox fully
[22:47] <ddecator> so, it seems like it's just a matter of the timing
[22:48] <dobey> ddecator: ok, so it's a race between you running firefox and ubuntuone running firefox i guess
[22:48] <dobey> which is sort of a silly thing
[22:49] <dobey> i've only ever seen that be an issue if firefox is in the process of closing, and you try to run it again too quickly
[22:49] <dobey> but perhaps it can happen at start-up too
[22:49] <ddecator> looks that way. on repeat attempts, it's something you have to try to do. but, on the first run, because it takes so long for u1 to open firefox (a couple of minutes on my live session), then it is really easy for someone to open firefox while it's working, even if they just click "Manage Account" because they don't realize u1 is already going to launch FF (which is what the reporter did)
[22:50] <dobey> firefox isn't exacty speedy :(
[22:50] <ddecator> it's getting better =p
[22:50] <dobey> and unfortunately, i don't think there's anything we can do about firefox conflicting like that
[22:51] <ddecator> right..
[22:52] <rye> dobey, can happen on startup - firefox does not start to listen on remote messages until it is fully initialized but it creates lock file for the profile pretty close to startup
[22:53] <bens> i gotta ask.  why is firefox even in the picture?
[22:53] <bens> why not just build the authentication option into the u1-prefs?
[22:53] <gille> Just saw in the FAQ that ubuntu one synchronizes *all* databases in couchdb! is this really correct???
[22:55] <ddecator> is there a way that an account could be created without having to launch FF? i.e. from within the preferences?
[23:00] <dobey> bens: because it's not simply authentication that we have to do, and doing everything was too complex to get done in the lucid cycle
[23:00] <dobey> bens: but the goal is that we will be getting rid of the "open a web vm to authenticate" piece