[00:06] <fluxburn> so I typically use Fedora so couple questions on Ubuntu Studio; So it is just setup out of the box, but I need to add repositories for 3rd party drivers right?
[00:08] <rlameiro> wich drivers fluxburn ?
[00:08] <rlameiro> ussually you can use restricted drivers
[00:08] <fluxburn> oh I found that ubuntu seems to auto find the drivers... easier then Fedora. Broadcom wireless, Nvidia graphics
[00:08] <rlameiro> wireless, nvida ati etc without adding new repos
[00:08] <rlameiro> yea
[00:09] <rlameiro> i use the broadcom driver
[00:09] <rlameiro> you dont need to add repos
[00:09] <fluxburn> but I read that the RT kernel and the propeirary video drivers sometimes don't play well together
[00:09] <rlameiro> they have a restricted repo for that
[00:09] <rlameiro> with broadcom i never had problems
[00:09] <rlameiro> i dont have nvida or ati to test
[00:10] <rlameiro> but i dont see complains
[00:10] <rlameiro> altough the next ubuntustudio will release with a generic kernel or a preempt
[00:11] <rlameiro> later should come up a RT kernel on ubuntustudio team ppa
[00:20] <holstein> vlada: i would think your safe to upgrade now
[00:21] <holstein> oops, i gotta run...
[00:22] <vlada> holstein, thanx :)
[00:22] <holstein> try 'sudo update-manager -d'
[00:22] <fluxburn> cool info lameiro
[00:35] <vlada> holstein, hopefully I wont fiddle much with setting up my wacom tablet :| It worked brilliantly under 9.10...
[00:37] <vlada> gone now... thanx again
[00:51] <fluxburn> So out of the box, ubuntu studio 9.10 doesn't have support for a midi keyboard to drive virtual synths?
[01:40] <SanGohan> hello
[01:40] <SanGohan> je poste, j'arrive pas à faire apparaître les rouages dans le cube histoire de tester, faut être en transparent mais j'ai la flemme de chercher partout, le transparent s'active pas et donc je vois pas les rouages..c'est ballot..;
[02:46]  * wolfwalker_prime pokes his head in.
[02:46] <holstein> buy something, or get out wolfwalker_prime ;)
[02:47] <holstein> hehe
[02:47] <wolfwalker_prime> How long after a distro release does ubuntustudio usually take for a new release?  To wit: how long before Ubuntu Studio 10.04?
[02:47] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: there are testing iso's availalble
[02:48] <holstein> BUT the meta-packages for ubuntustudio are there
[02:48] <holstein> SO in theory, at the same time
[02:48] <wolfwalker_prime> So just install Ubuntu latest and install studio on top of it?
[02:49] <holstein> im not sure if the final iso for ubuntustudio has to follow a schedule
[02:49] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: thats what i would do
[02:50] <wolfwalker_prime> How do you change audio buffer size in Ubuntu?  I was wanting to download Ubuntu Studio because I figured it would already be low latency.
[02:50] <wolfwalker_prime> I've asked in #ubuntu several times how to change audio buffer size, no help yet.
[02:51] <holstein> you mean in JACK wolfwalker_prime ?
[02:51] <wolfwalker_prime> (And dmix has a (*@#&)$(*& large buffer)
[02:51] <holstein> check out https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[02:52] <wolfwalker_prime> No I wasn't even running Jack.  I was just fiddling with LMMS in Ubuntu.  Terrible latency for MIDI/VSTi playing though.
[02:52] <holstein> the /etc/security/limits.conf
[02:52] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: if your not running JACK
[02:52] <holstein> you shouldnt even be talking about latency in my opinion
[02:52] <holstein> JACK just takes care of a lot of that BS
[02:53] <holstein> with a real time kernal and JACK
[02:53] <holstein> you can usually get pretty low latency
[02:53] <holstein> even with internal soundcards
[02:55] <wolfwalker_prime> Oh brave new world, that has such...  I'm coming from Windows, ASIO4all, Reaper (DAW) and VSTi.
[02:55] <wolfwalker_prime> So Jack = ASIO4all?
[02:55] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: check out #opensourcemusicians
[02:55] <holstein> nice podcast
[02:55] <holstein> and community
[02:56] <holstein> really helped me get over a hardware hump at the beginning of my linux studio times
[02:58] <wolfwalker_prime> Hmmm.  I just want something that will work, work well, without a lot of fiddling.  And I want it to read my mind, automatically make the music I'm thinking about, burn it to a dvd and sell it to stores.
[02:58]  * wolfwalker_prime slaps himself back to reality.
[02:58] <holstein> you can have that
[02:58] <holstein> kind of
[02:59] <holstein> when i set up windows boxes now
[02:59] <holstein> i fiddle a LOT
[02:59] <holstein> trying to download drivers
[02:59] <holstein> install them
[02:59] <holstein> its rather fiddly
[02:59] <holstein> BUT i can remember when i thought the opposite
[03:00] <holstein> JACK and ardour are F'n awesome
[03:00] <holstein> the journey is well worth it
[03:00] <holstein> in my opinion
[03:01] <wolfwalker_prime> As I was saying... my primary interest is playing live music through my midi keyboard and computer.  Keyboard is M-audio keystation 88es, standard class-compliant MIDI-USB interface.  It worked seamlessly in regular ole Ubuntu with LMMS.
[03:01] <holstein> yup
[03:01] <holstein> i got a cheaper Maudio
[03:01] <holstein> and its plug and play too
[03:02] <wolfwalker_prime> Just the stupid latency, and nobody in #ubuntu seemed to even know what an audio or period buffer was.
[03:02] <holstein> JACK and the RT kernel is your answer
[03:02] <wolfwalker_prime> Well I would have gone cheaper if I could, but I have to have all 88.
[03:02] <wolfwalker_prime> Does the latest LTS have a realtime kernel?
[03:03] <holstein> give http://en.flossmanuals.net/Ardour/StartJackUbuntu
[03:03] <holstein> a look
[03:03] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: it doesnt come with the RT kernel
[03:03] <holstein> you can sudo aprt-get install linux-rt
[03:04] <holstein> and then you have to make sure grub lets you boot into it
[03:04] <holstein> !grub2
[03:04] <ubottu> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[03:05] <holstein> how new to linux are you?
[03:05] <wolfwalker_prime> o.O
[03:05] <holstein> you can always run uname -a
[03:05] <wolfwalker_prime> I thought you had to build a new kernel...
[03:05] <holstein> and that will let you know what kernel your running
[03:05] <holstein> sometimes the grub menus go by so fast
[03:06] <holstein> its hard to tell if you did it right
[03:06] <holstein> NAH
[03:06] <holstein> you can just install it like a package
[03:06] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: i would try JACK first
[03:06] <wolfwalker_prime> I've been using ubuntu for quite some time, years.  I'm a basic end-user though.  I don't go pasting any script I can find on the forums in a wild hope it will solve my problem, but I don't know many commands in CLI.
[03:06] <holstein> witht he generic kernel
[03:06] <holstein> that might do it
[03:06] <holstein> THEN if your not getting the latency you want
[03:06] <holstein> you can install the RT kernel
[03:07] <wolfwalker_prime> How active is Ubuntu Studio these days?  Is it still alive as a working project, going forward?
[03:07] <holstein> sure
[03:08] <wolfwalker_prime> And what DAWS are there (besides aforementioned LMMS) that will use VSTi?  I already have my instruments picked out y'see.
[03:08] <holstein> hmmm
[03:09] <holstein> i havent tried it myself
[03:09] <holstein> but, i know its a possibility
[03:10] <wolfwalker_prime> I hardly can hope my RealGuitar will work in Linux... :\
[03:12] <wolfwalker_prime> By the way etc/security/limits.conf doesn't have anything about audio.
[03:13] <holstein> limits.conf has to do with priority settings
[03:13] <holstein> for low latency
[03:13] <holstein> that link
[03:13] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioPreparation
[03:14] <wolfwalker_prime> Been reading that
[03:44] <wolfwalker_prime> Weeeeeeell... it's time I was a-headin for my beddin.  Thanks for the tips holstein.
[03:45]  * wolfwalker_prime buys a stein for holstein, tips his hat and saunters out the door.
[03:45] <holstein> wolfwalker_prime: :)
[04:42] <nerd> ubuntu ultimate talk permitted here???
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[21:58] <vlada> hi holstein
[21:59] <_pg_> hey does anyone know if 10.04 update is a ok for x64 users ?
[22:00] <_pg_> can anyone report sucess?
[22:00] <rlameiro> _pg_: well i tested the iso, they work
[22:00] <vlada> _pg_, amd64 here and working great
[22:02] <vlada> there are still some interesting quirks here and there, but those are purely cosmetic
[22:02] <_pg_> did anyone upgrade from 9.10? I am nervous about the RT kernel, heard some were having issues
[22:02] <vlada> _pg_, me. yesterday
[22:03] <_pg_> vlada: so how is that going?
[22:04] <vlada> great! kernel is still at 2.6.31, and that is what I don't understand (it's a bit outdated)
[22:04] <vlada> other then that it's great
[22:05] <vlada> well, there is ugly boot screen for us, proprietary nvidia driver users
[22:05] <_pg_> vlada: so did you just sudo update-manager -d?
[22:05] <vlada> but nothing alarming; especially given very fast boot time... ;)
[22:06] <vlada> _pg_, basically yes
[22:07] <vlada> prepare to answer a few questions during upgrade. "During" being the key word
[22:07] <_pg_> vlada: Im so afraid! lol. Did you have to do anything special with the kernel? or did it just choose the safe one by default?
[22:08] <vlada> I've left it downloading updates over the night and was surprised with window that asks questions in the morning
[22:08] <vlada> _pg_, no intervention on kernel, no
[22:09] <_pg_> vlada: I did the same thing on my other box. lol running regular ubuntu. expected it to finish the 2 hrs overnight and in the morning it has 1:45 left lol
[22:10] <vlada> not really user friendly ( as in - expected), but at lesat it's harmless
[22:12] <_pg_> vlada: agreed. I will do the update tonight!
[22:13] <vlada> :D
[23:13] <cobra-the-joker> Hey guys ... is there is a big difference between ubuntu and ubuntuStudio ... or just tools ?
[23:23] <mudfly> cobra-the-joker: It is mostly the default package selection, but there is a real time kernel also included
[23:24] <cobra-the-joker> mudfly , pardon me ...whats a real time kernel ?
[23:25] <mudfly> cobra-the-joker: provides low latency to audio and video for real time recording
[23:25] <cobra-the-joker> hmmm ...nice
[23:26] <mudfly> when you record layers on top of previously recorded audio it allows you to not have to compensate (at least as much) for hardware lag
[23:26] <mudfly> rather kernel priority lag
[23:27] <cobra-the-joker> aha
[23:28] <holstein> cobra-the-joker: also, you can install the real-time kernel to regular vanilla ubuntu too
[23:28] <holstein> sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[23:29] <holstein> if your not in a situation where you are having issues, or needing lower latency
[23:29] <holstein> i wouldnt worry about it