[00:07] <charlie-tca> !install
[00:22] <Prothon> Thanks
[02:49] <n2diy> my printer was working,  but now it isn't?
[05:47] <UbuntuBoy> http://techbytes4.wordpress.com/2010/04/27/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-2-days-left-and-what-to-expect/, really good article on Lucid, I recommend subscribing to this blog.
[08:34] <Moe> morning guys
[08:35] <Moe> I have a question as to why Xubuntu doesn't include /etc/xdg in XDG_CONFIG_DIRS like the "regular" Ubuntu does
[08:35] <Moe> I'm having trouble using the ubuntuone-client package because it cannot find the default configuration
[08:39] <TheSheep> Moe: we don't know, you can file a ticket and ask, or just correct it in your installation in /etc/environment
[08:39] <Moe> Okay
[08:40] <Moe> I just ment to drop by and ask before I bother anyone with a ticket filing
[08:40] <Moe> After all there might be a valid reason not to include said directory
[08:42] <Moe> TheSheep: Is there any magic required to get it to accept changes to /etc/environment?
[08:43] <Moe> I just added the relevant path and it didn't get picked up as it seems
[08:43] <_dab> Hello there. Can you advice me how to get drives list in Places, such as in Ubuntu have?
[08:46] <TheSheep> Moe: yes, that gets read when you log in
[08:47] <TheSheep> _dab: it should just work
[08:47] <Moe> hm, yeah .. I figured that .. however, I did logout and back in again and it didn't get picked up
[08:47] <Moe> I also restarted the machine to no avail
[08:47] <TheSheep> Moe: can you pastebin your /etc/environment and the output of 'export' command?
[08:47] <Moe> Sure
[08:48] <Moe> http://pastie.org/938777
[08:48] <Moe> There you go
[08:50] <TheSheep> Moe: it looks like it's being set later, maybe by gdm or the xfce4-session :/
[08:50] <Moe> Yeah
[08:50] <Moe> Most likely
[08:50] <TheSheep> Moe: you can try putting it in your ~/.profile
[08:50] <Moe> Will do!
[08:51] <Moe> haha .. no, not even now
[08:52] <Moe> That's the strangest thing
[08:52] <George_E> Would xubuntu run on a 200 MHz CPU with 160 mb of ram?
[08:53] <Moe> TheSheep: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg_path-on-session is setting that path as well .. I wonder if it gets priority over anything
[08:53] <knome> George_E, would run, but not that quickly.
[08:53] <George_E> Great.
[08:53] <TheSheep> George_E: it would, albeit very slow, perhaps unusably so
[08:53] <Moe> George_E: I wonder recommend running any gui at all on 200Mhz
[08:53] <TheSheep> George_E: get more ram if possible
[08:53] <Moe> *wouldn't
[08:53]  * Moe rubs sleepy eyes
[08:53] <TheSheep> George_E: and look for a lighter distro, like maybe dsl
[08:53] <TheSheep> Moe: probably
[08:54] <TheSheep> Moe: why not change it there then?
[08:54] <George_E> I tried Ubuntu but it froze when starting gnome.
[08:54] <George_E> Why DSL?
[08:54] <TheSheep> George_E: it's lightweight
[08:54] <George_E> How so?
[08:54] <Moe> TheSheep: hm, I sort of didn't want to mess with dpkg-tracked files
[08:55] <TheSheep> I see
[08:55] <TheSheep> I guess /etc/environment is also tracked
[08:55] <Moe> Indeed
[08:55] <Moe> well, I guess I'll give it a try
[08:56]  * Moe creates a backup copy just in case
[08:56]  * George_E wishes everyone remembered to do that...
[08:57] <Moe> Judging from the file it seems like Xubuntu is resetting the XDG_CONFIG_DIRS environment variable somewhere
[08:57] <Moe> Which is not done on "regular" installations
[08:58] <Moe> I shall investigate ..
[09:00] <TheSheep> there are two kind of people: those who make backups and those who will be making backups
[09:02] <Moe> (for a couple of days)
[09:02] <Moe> I always tend to come along people that are seduced into making backups a couple of times after a "disaster"
[09:02] <Moe> But after a short while it's back to being careless again
[09:05] <TheSheep> the thing I like best is "I don't want to waste space, so I will do a little cleanup before backup" :)
[09:06] <TheSheep> famous last words
[09:06] <mr_pouit> Moe: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~xubuntu-dev/xubuntu-default-settings/trunk/annotate/head%3A/usr/share/xubuntu/session.sh
[09:06] <mr_pouit> Moe: the xubuntu session is launched with that
[09:07] <mr_pouit> and it doesn't include /etc/xdg because libxfce4util includes it anyway
[09:08] <Moe> mr_pouit: Okay, I see that now .. however, how do we tell Python applications to use /etc/xdg as well? I'm having issues with ubuntuone-preferences not finding it's default configuration files
[09:11] <mr_pouit> mpf, then yeah, session.sh should also append /etc/xdg =]
[09:13] <Moe> But that's the right place to look at
[09:15] <Moe> mr_pouit: Why aren't you reusing the environment variables? Ala XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu:/etc/xdg" ?
[09:16] <Moe> Uhm, actually
[09:17] <Moe> I ment to write XDG_CONFIG_DIRS="$XDG_CONFIG_DIRS:/etc/xdg/xdg-xubuntu"
[09:17] <Moe> Or do some testing before that
[09:18] <Moe> mr_pouit: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/60xdg_path-on-session got added in December .. and it does exactly what you are doing .. but it fails if XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set prior to X being launched
[09:45] <mr_pouit> Moe: then, please file a bug against xubuntu-default-settings if this line should be removed from the script
[09:45] <Moe> Yes, will do
[09:45] <mr_pouit> I don't really remember why I put it
[09:45] <Moe> mr_pouit: I don't get why you're setting those two variables anyway
[09:45] <Moe> XDG_CONFIG_DIRS is set by 60xdg_path-to-session and XDG_DATA_DIRS is set inside startxfce4
[09:46] <mr_pouit> there was probably a reason when I did this, but I can't remember :p
[09:46] <Moe> Awesome :D
[09:47] <Moe> mr_pouit: Xubuntu Default Settings does not use Launchpad for bug tracking.
[09:47] <Moe> So .. that's that
[09:48] <mr_pouit> file it against the ubuntu package
[09:48] <mr_pouit> it's the same
[09:48] <Moe> Okay
[09:48] <mr_pouit> launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings
[09:50] <Moe> On it
[10:05] <Moe> mr_pouit: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/571133
[10:08] <mr_pouit> Moe: nope, xdg_data_dirs isn't set to the value we want by startxfce4
[10:08] <Moe> Okay, that's unfortunate .. yet, the XDG_CONFIG_DIRS issue remains
[10:09] <mr_pouit> indeed
[10:10] <bigbrovar> I guess I am looking to move my companies client systems to Xubuntu. I just wanted to know if Xubuntu is also part of canonical's LTS offering?
[10:10] <bigbrovar> guys*
[10:10] <Moe> It is I believe
[10:11] <mr_pouit> it is (kind of): base packages that are in main will be supported by canonical, but xfce packages aren't
[10:11] <bigbrovar> I would have easily inferred that naturally they should. But there made a big splash about LTS support coming to Kubuntu Lucid but nothing was said about Xubuntu
[10:12] <bigbrovar> mr_pouit: ok but at least the repo wont be closed after 18 months?
[10:12] <Moe> Of course not
[10:14] <bigbrovar> I can live with that then
[10:40] <jarnos> How did you report bugs concerning the installer again?
[10:43] <jarnos> Asked in #ubuntu+1, too.
[11:11] <jarnos> cody-somerville: How do you  report bugs concerning the installer of xubuntu?
[12:00] <p0a> Hello I want to write a CD what kind of software do I need for this
[12:00] <TheSheep> brasero
[12:00] <p0a> nice, I have it already
[12:01] <TheSheep> !cdrw
[12:02] <p0a> what about reading a CD? shouldn't it do that automatically?
[12:02] <p0a> I entered the CD and in /media I'm searching the cdrom and cdrom0 directories but they're empty
[12:03] <TheSheep> maybe the cd is empty?
[12:03] <p0a> no
[12:03] <TheSheep> or contains music
[12:03] <p0a> right
[12:03] <TheSheep> what would you want to read from an audio cd?
[12:03] <TheSheep> there are no files on it
[12:03] <p0a> the audio tracks
[12:04] <Sysi> try with exaile
[12:04] <TheSheep> you can play them with your favorite music player, or rip them to files with some cd ripper
[12:04] <TheSheep> for backup purposes, of course
[12:04] <TheSheep> I think soundjuicer is nice for that
[12:05] <p0a> No, not really. I'm not doing this illegally anyhow - these are my friends tracks
[12:05] <p0a> soundjuicer huh ok
[12:05] <TheSheep> there is nothing illegal in ripping a cd
[12:05] <TheSheep> but I'm not a lawyer
[12:06] <p0a> Where's soundjuicer in? synaptic nor apt-get find it
[12:06] <TheSheep> sound-juicer, sorry
[12:06] <p0a> don't worry :P
[12:07] <TheSheep> it's not worry, it's basic courtesy
[12:10] <p0a> when I hit extract in sound-juicer the program exits
[12:10] <p0a> any idea why this would be?
[12:10] <TheSheep> try starting it from console and seeing if it prints something
[12:11] <p0a> yes it does, a bunch of glib messages
[12:11] <p0a> sorry, I think they're gtk messages actually. I'm not sure
[12:12] <p0a> it was too good to be true
[12:12] <TheSheep> doesn't matter, any one of them looks like a fatal error explaining why it crashed?
[12:13] <p0a> Something about some assertions that failed
[12:13] <p0a> none looks more critical than others
[12:13] <TheSheep> those are probably warnings
[12:13] <TheSheep> can you pastebin the whole thing?
[12:13] <p0a> Well then it's a bug because it says "segmentation fault" after that
[12:13] <p0a> sure
[12:13] <TheSheep> ah, segmentation fault sounds like the thing
[12:13] <TheSheep> and yes, it's a bug
[12:14] <TheSheep> congratulations on finding it :)
[12:14] <p0a> Actually, I don't get those messages at all. I just noticed these messages are printed at start
[12:14] <p0a> I only get "segmentation fault" when I hit extract
[12:14] <TheSheep> yeah
[12:14] <p0a> any alternatives?
[12:14] <TheSheep> !rip
[12:15] <p0a> Anything I can use as an alternative to sound juicer?
[12:15] <TheSheep> see 'other software' on that page
[12:16] <p0a> http://code.google.com/p/abcde/downloads/list
[12:16] <p0a> I wanted to get ABCDE but there's no downloads on that page :/
[12:16] <TheSheep> maybe it's bug 163534
[12:16] <TheSheep> bug #163534
[12:17] <TheSheep> ...
[12:17] <TheSheep> shouldn't ubottu link to it?
[12:17] <TheSheep> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libid3tag/+bug/163534
[12:17] <p0a> great now I have to install SVN
[12:17] <TheSheep> p0a: did you try to enter the track names?
[12:17] <p0a> I don't know them anyway
[12:18] <p0a> I don't think there's names
[12:18] <TheSheep> try putting anything
[12:18] <p0a>     *
[12:18] <p0a> Here is the backtrace. Some more comments on this: the problem seems to be with id3mux, using id3v2mux works without problems.
[12:18] <p0a> ^^ what do you think about this
[12:19] <TheSheep> what's important is a workaround a few lines lower
[12:19] <TheSheep> which will let you do what you need
[12:22] <p0a> nope, not really.
[12:22] <p0a> I'm installing another ripper. brb
[14:00] <ubuntu> Odd...
[14:00] <wolfwalker-prime> I'm certainly not ubuntu, just an end-user.
[14:03] <wolfwalker-prime> Well technology marches along and it seems it has marched right past my laptop - the older one anyway.  I'm considering switching to Xubuntu for my internet laptop.  Is there anything Ubuntu can do that Xubuntu still lacks?  I remember a few releases ago it still wouldn't automount my external hard drives/flash drives when Ubuntu would, but...
[14:04] <psycho_oreos> I'm pretty certain you'll find the only difference these days between ubutu and xubuntu is merely the frontend.. xubuntu and kubuntu literally share the same base as ubuntu.. all except for frontendn
[14:04] <psycho_oreos> frontend*
[14:05] <wolfwalker-prime> Then what advantage remains in using Xubuntu?
[14:05] <psycho_oreos> when ubuntu did have support for automount, I'm sure either xfce didn't have that function incorporated or was using a different program for it (or they just didn't include it because it was meant to be lean and mean)
[14:05] <psycho_oreos> different frontend and supposedly lighter on system specs
[14:09] <wolfwalker-prime> Thankee
[14:47] <Pres-Gas> Okay, I am using the alt install of Xubu and have my /boot partition on /dev/sde1.  So, in the "Configuring grub-pc" window of the alt installer, should I point to /dev/sde or /dev/sde1?
[14:56] <psycho_oreos> single boot?
[15:11] <Pres-Gas> psycho_oreos, you must be asking me.  Yes, single boot, but the other drives are set up for software raid and the /boot is on sde as a result.
[15:12] <psycho_oreos> Pres-Gas, yes I was asking you, I guess installing on the sde (mbr) shouldn't be of an issue
[15:17] <Pres-Gas> Yeah, psycho_oreos, I think I have a couple of small issues in play that together is just dorking up the install.
[15:17] <Pres-Gas> Thanks!
[15:17] <psycho_oreos> Pres-Gas, no worries
[16:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello ...is it possbible to install Xubuntu and Linux mint and let them use the same /home folder?
[16:22] <pteague> any idea why my box isn't mounting external mounts on boot up? since updating to koala i have to `sudo mount -a` any time i reboot
[16:22] <slow-motion> hi
[16:36] <charlie-tca> Sachse_Siechtum, it is possible, but I don't think it is a good idea. Both store settings in /home/USER, and it will confuse them
[16:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, yeah I got the same answer in #ubuntu *g*
[16:40] <TheSheep> Sachse_Siechtum: so you will keep asking until someone gives a different answer? :P
[16:42] <Sysi> Sachse_Siechtum: create separate /media, that propably does what you want
[16:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> Sysi, you mean an extra /media partition?
[16:45] <Sysi> or folder
[16:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[16:45] <charlie-tca> Why would a separate /media change where the user settings are stored?
[16:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh something else..when I install Linux Mint first and Xubuntu second on a different partition...will both be in the GRUB menu?
[16:46] <charlie-tca> yes, they should be
[16:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, well I just want 3 folders (video docs and music) used by both
[16:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> make 3 these 3 folders default on both
[16:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> -3
[16:48] <charlie-tca> so create them on their own partition, which can be accessed by both distros
[16:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah
[18:01] <pteague> make sure the uid & gid match for both Linux Mint & Xubuntu
[18:02] <TheSheep> and same for the versions of any programs that may leave their config files in there
[18:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> uif gid?
[18:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> uid
[18:04] <charlie-tca> Same user and user group
[18:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[18:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> and what about the grub? will both appear in grub after install?
[18:05] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok :-)
[18:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> I might switch to mint completly because I really like the menu :-) just gonna find out how wine performance is...
[18:06] <charlie-tca> heh, and I hated it
[18:07] <charlie-tca> also, they are about 6 months behind xubuntu, so Mint 8 Xfce is valid for about 12 months instead of 18
[18:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, why did you hate it?
[18:08] <Sysi> is there other difference that wallpaper and restricted extras?
[18:08] <Sysi> and maybe some codecs
[18:08] <charlie-tca> I just didn't like the way the menu is laid out
[18:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[18:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah its pretty similar to vista
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Maybe that's why...
[18:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah
[18:10] <pteague> no, not same user and user group... you need to make sure the user & user id match & the group & group id match... because if user1 is uid 1000 on 1 & uid 1001 on the other you'll be wondering why you can't modify files
[18:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hopefully I'll get that ancient laptop tomorrow...
[18:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> pteague, I see
[18:58] <Aquina> I have the whole openoffice.org suit installed. I gnumeric a good addition to it or would I repeat myself?
[18:59] <Sysi> propably there isn't any addition
[19:00] <knome> Aquina, oo calc is better than gnumeric, imo
[19:01] <Aquina> thx for your opinion
[19:05] <Aquina> What about Abiword. I always had it installed an never used it. I have to admit, that I'm quite satisfied with OO-writer. What do you think about that, kome?
[19:05] <Sysi> it's lighter and has all that i need
[19:08] <Aquina> hm...
[19:19] <charlie-tca> Both Abiword and OO.o Writer do the same things, functionally
[19:20] <charlie-tca> I use abiword, because it is faster to open
[19:58] <Pres-Gas> psycho_oreos, I think I figured out my situation.  I don't think the nouveau drivers support the video card I have (NVIDIA Quadro NVS 295), and I am finding out for sure.
[19:58] <Pres-Gas> I thought it was grub since all I got was a blinking cursor after the bios and then the screen went to powersave
[21:55] <TrueNhero> xubuntu lightweight no more, please help us
[21:56] <charlie-tca> TrueNhero: is there a question in that?
[21:57] <TrueNhero> charlie-tca, no really
[21:58] <TrueNhero> i feel my xubuntu too heavy, i dont know if the problem there in Xserver...
[21:58] <TrueNhero> how can i make it more light like before,
[21:59] <TrueNhero> is the problem in daemons??
[21:59] <charlie-tca> I don't know the problem, which makes it hard to say
[22:00] <TrueNhero> how can i kill some daemons?
[22:00] <TrueNhero> like smb
[22:00] <knome> crawl through the dungeons, find a sword and strike!
[22:00]  * knome hides
[22:01]  * charlie-tca thinks that works for me
[22:02] <charlie-tca> I look in system monitor and kill things there
[22:11] <Aquina> I reset the file permissions with chmod -R for a large directory structure (250000+ files) and added the eXecute-bit. Obviously that doesn't make sense for text files, images and thelike. Can someone tell me whether I'd write a short script to fix this or whether there's an alternative solution to the problem.
[22:11] <Aquina> At least I want to avoid crawling through the hive by hand which would cost me hours, even days.
[22:21] <TheSheep> Aquina: chmod -R a-x yourdir; chmod -R a+X yourdir
[22:22] <Aquina> This qould affect all files though. The point is that there are files (in project directories for e.g.) that must reamain executable.
[22:23] <TheSheep> Aquina: how do you recognize them?
[22:23] <Aquina> The point is that I need more logic. I recognize them either by extension or by ELF I guess. So my question actually is...
[22:24] <Aquina> ...can I solve it without writing a shellscript?
[22:24] <TheSheep> if you can do it by extension, then use find
[22:24] <TheSheep> to recognize them by content you'd use a shell script using the file command
[22:25] <Aquina> And file header ELF? more complex approach?
[22:26] <TheSheep> 'file' command
[22:26] <TheSheep> that's by content
[22:26] <TheSheep> you could also get a list of files that should have x, fro example from a backup
[22:26] <Aquina> Do you also think a log of the audit-daemon whould help in case every action on the file system was logged?
[22:27] <TheSheep> if you can get the list of files that had x before, then sure
[22:27] <Aquina> backups yes... but the changes were made long ago and it was not on top of my priorities. :-/
[22:27] <Aquina> Ok, thanks TheSheep I think I can sole it now.
[22:27] <TheSheep> Aquina: then you are risking that some new files will miss their x
[22:29] <Aquina> yes. I will probably also have to think about GID and UID and fileswhich are binaries but shoud (for other reasons) not be executable though.
[22:30] <Aquina> Did someone ever realize that making files executable can be a real security concern? *sigh*
[22:33] <TheSheep> Aquina: I guess that's what the noexec flag in mount is for :)
[22:33] <Aquina> :-)
[22:34] <Aquina> Yes but sometimes you want to execute a laaaaaaaaarge file without moving it first. Nevertheless you're right in servers I'd user noexec for partitions.
[22:35] <Aquina> Hey, TheSheep why'd you choose that nick?
[22:35] <TheSheep>  --> #xubuntu-offtopic
[23:57] <Aquina> Is there a place whre umask is initially set (on system startup)?