[00:02] <JontheEchidna> he's not surpassed the difficulty of a certain usr yet, though
[00:02] <JontheEchidna> :3
[00:05] <apachelogger> ^^
[00:08] <apachelogger> Riddell: akonadi seems to start just fine in a vbox
[00:09] <Riddell> I'm jelous
[00:09] <apachelogger> Riddell: do the startup issues persist even with a new home?
[00:11] <apachelogger> ulysses: I really cant reproduce bug 571084 is it still valid?
[00:11] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes does here
[00:12] <apachelogger> :(
[00:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: can you try wiht a new kdepimlibs
[00:12] <apachelogger> just bump the timeout in the patch I added
[00:12] <apachelogger> to 5 minutes or something
[00:12] <apachelogger> maybe it helps
[00:12] <Riddell> yes
[00:12]  * apachelogger finds 5 minutes incredibly high from a debugging POV though
[00:13] <apachelogger> if we bump it that high we might as well make the whole dialog disappear
[00:13] <apachelogger> it might seem a bit out of context after 5 minutes :)
[00:17]  * apachelogger waves the coc goodbye in bug 307462 :S
[00:27] <apachelogger> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
[00:29] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: btw, when assigning a bug to me, you really want to subscribe me, otherwise the mail will not end up in my high-prio filter
[00:33] <CIA-6> [kde-l10n-common] Harald Sitter <apachelogger@ubuntu.com> * apachelogger@ubuntu.com-20100428233339-zcw85u8m9z4ep3o7 * debian/changelog releasing version 4:4.4.2-0ubuntu7
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[00:42] <apachelogger> oh my
[00:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: time
[00:42] <kubotu> apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Thu Apr 29 01:43 CEST
[00:43]  * apachelogger needs to get up at 7
[00:43] <apachelogger> nighties
[00:57] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: kk
[01:23]  * JontheEchidna wonders why there ever would need to be a "gint" type...
[01:39] <claydoh> any good example to demonstrate "GNOME app systray integration" for the release notes? I need something to grab a pic of
[01:39]  * claydoh has a distinct lack of gnome here
[01:45] <JontheEchidna> rythymbox
[01:45] <claydoh> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/LucidLynx/Final/Kubuntu need to spruce up the LTS blurb somehow
[01:46] <claydoh> JontheEchidna: thanks, I will sacrifice my kde/qt purity on this box For The Cause
[01:46] <JontheEchidna> You are a true hero.
[01:46] <claydoh> ew that came off a bit creepy
[01:46]  * JontheEchidna sheds a single tear
[01:47] <claydoh> heck I don't even have gimp on this laptop (yet)
[01:51] <lontra> if i installed the 10.04 rc and upgrade ... is there a reason to reinstall when 10.04 is released tomorrow?
[01:52] <claydoh> lontra: no, I don't think so
[01:52] <claydoh> I 'm not, in any case :)
[01:53] <lontra> i am very excited about the lts ... that means i won't have to reinstall or upgrade for 3 yrs!
[01:55] <claydoh> heh
[01:55] <claydoh> luckily you can get new kde without really upgrading the underpinnings as well :)
[01:55] <claydoh> as new versions are released
[01:57] <lontra> yeah i don't really care too much about a newer kde ... i just want something stable ... i've even thought about red hat because i want stability so much
[01:58] <lontra> but anyways i am happy with kubuntu
[02:37]  * ryanakca grins at the confusion accidently dragging a Kopete contact to the wrong meta-contact can cause, especially when you're using Facebook chat in Kopete and all the JIDs are uXXXXXXXX@chat.facebook.com :P
[02:37] <ryanakca> Riddell: Do you need me at all website whise tomorrow morning?
[02:37] <ryanakca> s/wh/w/
[02:55] <txwikinger> hi ryanakca
[02:55] <ryanakca> Hi txwikinger
[03:07] <jjesse> downloaded the daily from yesterday and when i go to start it up on virtualbox gett the following error: "Logging in ubuntu... Warning: Cannon OPen ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Activation of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out
[03:11] <jjesse> trying to mark it as failed on the iso tracker but dont know what package to put my bug against
[03:12] <crimsun> jjesse: see /var/log/user.log; what process owns the message?
[03:13] <jjesse> cat /var/log/user.log is empty
[03:13] <crimsun> ok, then syslog?
[03:14] <jjesse> hrmm grepping for that error message?
[03:14] <crimsun> sure
[03:16] <jjesse> hrmm
[03:16] <jjesse> ok found it
[03:17] <jjesse> crimsun: ubuntu kdm: 0[1604]: Cannot open ConsoleKit session: Unable to open session: Actication of org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit timed out
[03:17] <jjesse> so ubuntu kdm ???
[03:18] <msv> Are testers still needed for kubuntu karmic->lucid upgrades?
[03:18] <crimsun> probably isn't kdm, but you could start there
[03:18] <jjesse> wonder if it is because i'm running it in a vm?
[03:20] <jjesse> hrmm click ok and it goes through to a normal session
[03:20] <crimsun> possibly; does name resolution work?
[03:21] <jjesse> yup, can do an nslookup of freedesktop.org, google.com etc
[03:24] <jjesse> dont' get that error on kubuntu netbook
[03:25] <ScottK> I don't think there are any netbook/desktop differences that would affect that.
[03:27] <jjesse> nope happens every time i boot in virtual box on the lucid desktop cd
[03:29] <ScottK> Weird.
[03:37] <jjesse> still have the problem where on the installing lagnugage packs i hit skip and the hwoe installer goes away
[04:01] <shtylman> Riddell: did ya get my logo email?
[04:17] <rbelem> Riddell, http://media.rbelem.info/usershare.tar.gz
[04:17] <rbelem> Riddell, now using the kde api and added more methods
[04:18]  * rbelem leaving
[04:19] <ScottK> 44.8 kB/s.  Hooray for hotel internet.
[04:29] <rgreening_> JontheEchidna: cool. I'm down with that :) a new crew shirt. yay
[05:17] <shtylman> is it just me or is the countdown thing on kubuntu.org broken?
[05:28] <JontheEchidna> heh, yeah. It's probably confused because it's release day in my time zone
[05:28] <JontheEchidna> and probably yours
[05:30] <ulysses> apachelogger: hm, after I removed and then installed Kopete, bug 571084 seems to be "disappeared"
[09:07] <zoggy> hey guys, i see that currently there is no kdevelop in lucid. is there anything i could do to assist in this happening because, as i kde lover and recent kdevelop convert (after trying so many editors and IDEs) i really think this app is looking crazy-hot-right-now and will do a lot for our kubunut cause
[09:11] <zoggy> haha kubunut... that would be a cool slogan for a kubuntu fan t-shirt. i meant kubuntu though
[09:12] <valorie> and we could use the cashew
[09:12] <valorie> ;-)
[09:13] <zoggy> brilliant! that should totally be on a shirt together!
[09:41] <apachelogger> oh my
[09:52] <Riddell> ~identica dent The drum is rolling
[09:52] <kubotu> status updated
[10:03] <Riddell> nixternal: is the feedback applet ready for release?
[10:45] <Riddell> any bugs we want in the Known Issues of the Announcement?
[11:00] <Riddell> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release  for those with access
[11:07] <Riddell> Ubuntu Desktop respinning for bug 570765  we are unaffected, release presumably delayed by some hours
[11:25] <apachelogger> omg
[11:25] <apachelogger> can we please SRU the icon in the feedback widget
[11:25] <apachelogger> it is ludicrous
[11:25] <apachelogger> looks like someone threw up
[11:28] <sabdfl> apachelogger: you should see some of the feedback!
[11:29] <apachelogger> sabdfl: regarding the release or the icon? :)
[11:29] <sabdfl> just.... feedback from millions of people can contain some nasty bits :-)
[11:31] <apachelogger> yeah, they always do :( fortunately the positive stuff outweighs the nasty bits :)
[11:43] <sabdfl> very much so. well done to you all for this release of Kubuntu
[11:46] <Riddell> thanks sabdfl, I'm very happy with making this a LTS release
[11:46] <Riddell> the whole Kubuntu community have worked super hard
[11:46] <sabdfl> you've earned it
[11:47] <amichair> Riddell: in release bugs, u think it's important to mention Bug #557434? it causes ppl to become bamboozled and fail installation
[11:47] <Riddell> amichair: yes I'll add that
[12:02] <JontheEchidna> Goood morning Kubuntu
[12:03] <amichair> hi JontheEchidna :-)
[12:03] <Riddell> JontheEchidna!  happy release day
[12:07]  * amichair puts on his party hat
[12:10] <ghostcube> yeah... kubuntu not affected by this one https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[12:10] <ghostcube> hehe
[12:11]  * ghostcube hugs his kubuntu
[12:11] <ghostcube> happy release day folks... :)
[12:13] <Riddell> who has some party music?
[12:14] <amichair> apachelogger, that's your cue :-P
[12:15] <davmor2> Riddell: ME
[12:15] <davmor2> Riddell: I'm just not sharing it :D
[12:25] <apachelogger> no party music here
[12:25] <apachelogger> unless you consider a lecture about semantic web party music ;)
[12:25] <apachelogger> which i do not, FYI
[12:27] <amichair> apachelogger: it's like a lullaby, putting you gently to sleep...
[12:27] <apachelogger> ^^
[12:29] <davmor2> amichair: no it'll be like a sledghammer knocking you out
[12:32] <dpm> hi Riddell, did you get my ping yesterday re: the language packs comparison output and if you wanted a Kubuntu and translations roundtable at UDS?
[12:33] <Riddell> dpm: oh aye.  yes we should probably do that
[12:35] <dpm> Riddell, sure, do you want to schedule it on the desktop track or shall I do it on the community track?
[12:35] <Riddell> dpm: you go ahead, gives us more variety :)
[12:36] <dpm> ha! :)
[12:36]  * dpm puts on blueprints hat
[13:24] <kshadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:33] <apachelogger> kshadeslayer: pong
[13:35] <kshadeslayer> apachelogger: i need to ask something about packaging
[13:35] <kshadeslayer> apachelogger: suppose i package a new git version of a package,do i need to upload a new .orig.tar.gz too>
[13:37] <kshadeslayer> for eg: package a is updated from 1.0+gitdate-0ubuntu1~ppa1 to 1.0+gitdate+1-0ubuntu1~ppa1 , do i need to package a new app_1.0+gitdate+1.orig.tar.gz ?
[13:37] <kshadeslayer> s/package/upload
[13:39] <jussi> Nightrose: ping
[13:40] <Nightrose> hi jussi
[13:41] <Nightrose> (i might vanish - got a meeting with my advisor scheduled)
[13:42] <dpm> Riddell, ok, I've created the roundtable BP ready for scheduling at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/community-m-kubuntu-translations-roundtable I've subscribed you already. Everyone else interested, feel free to subscribe or add topics to the whiteboard as well!
[14:17] <shadeslayer> hey who handles the transmission package?
[14:22] <shadeslayer> you might want to look at bug 571702
[14:24] <shadeslayer> bye :)
[16:19] <shtylman> release delayed... sadness
[16:20] <txwikinger> how long?
[16:20] <shtylman> no idea
[16:20] <ofirk> sad :(
[16:20] <txwikinger> because of the grub issue?
[16:21] <jjesse> is there an official announcement?
[16:21] <shtylman> no.. because of some windowxp installer issue I think
[16:21] <shtylman> don't think so
[16:21] <jjesse> probablly should be
[16:21] <shtylman> hopefully not delayed too long
[16:22] <txwikinger> well.. I considered that a grub issue :D
[16:29]  * txwikinger wonders if the drummer should have a break
[16:29] <Tm_T> txwikinger: nah, keep the roll on until the release happens
[16:29] <txwikinger> poor drummer
[16:30] <Tm_T> no peeing breaks either!
[16:30] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, final survey questionnaire is complete and ready for use...just tested the widget and it is working for me
[16:38] <amichair> is sun-java6-jre supposed to exist in lucid?
[16:38] <shtylman> amichair: yes, it does
[16:39] <shtylman> enable the partner repo iirc
[16:40] <amichair> shtylman: is that a new repo? never used it before
[16:40] <shtylman> no, its not new
[16:40] <shtylman> its in your sources.list
[16:41] <shtylman> iirc
[16:41] <amichair> shtylman: yeah, need to enable it. I meant in karmic I never needed it for such packages
[16:43] <amichair> shtylman: that did it - thanks :-)
[16:45] <amichair> shtylman: sorry I didn't have more time for more ubiquity bugs before release :-(
[16:45] <Riddell> amichair: plenty of time before the Maverick release :)
[16:46] <amichair> Riddell: true :-)
[16:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've noticed I can't see any usb printer in systemsettins
[16:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: works with localhost:631
[16:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: do I mis something, any daemon or so ?
[16:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: or is that known issue ?
[16:50] <Riddell> Tonio_: not known
[16:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: kk, probably broken system
[16:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I think it is time for a real new installation
[16:52] <Riddell> works for me, I see "Local Printers" and "Deskjet 3840" in the tree
[16:58] <shtylman> amichair: no worries, you helped out alot by taking care of the ones you did
[16:59] <amichair> shtylman: I was aiming higher :-)
[17:00] <amichair> I'm actually a bit bugged by kubuntu quality (no pun intended)
[17:00] <amichair> maybe we can try puting some focus on this alongside new features and brainstorms?
[17:02] <shtylman> amichair: yes, part of the focus for installer at uds will be to see how and where we can do more automated testing
[17:02] <shtylman> I have been trying to see what is available
[17:02] <shtylman> and what people currently use
[17:02] <shtylman> but the two main qt testing products are not open source
[17:02] <shtylman> but we may have friends willing to give us liceses for our use
[17:03] <amichair> I'm not sure testing is the bottleneck. There are many known or easy to come by issues, just not enough manpower/priority to fix them
[17:03] <amichair> (and I meant in kubuntu as a whole, not just ubiquity)
[17:04] <shtylman> right
[17:04] <shtylman> but manpower will always be the problem
[17:04] <Riddell> shtylman: have you tried finding out what was the one demoed at the canonical meeting?
[17:04] <amichair> hopefully not always ;-)
[17:04] <shtylman> Riddell: no, I was gonna ask ev about it at UDS
[17:05] <amichair> maybe another push of Timelord publicity? or something else to draw more devs?
[17:10] <shtylman> Riddell: you should update the kubuntu artwork page logo, so anyone who wishes to use it will get the better one
[17:10] <shtylman> not sure if I have the perms to update that myself
[17:12] <Riddell> let me look
[17:15] <Riddell> shtylman: what's the difference?
[17:15] <shtylman> Riddell: :)
[17:16] <shtylman> Riddell: look at the pendant
[17:16] <shtylman> closely ...
[17:16] <shtylman> it should be evident when you see a large version of the pendant side by side with the new one I sent you
[17:16] <shtylman> the installer slideshow is what led me to notice this
[17:19] <Riddell> shtylman: not really seeing any difference
[17:19] <Riddell> but I'll trust you and put it on the wiki
[17:19] <Riddell> shtylman: do I need to update the .png?
[17:19] <shtylman> Riddell: the center circle
[17:19] <shtylman> in the old version it was lopsided and not a perfect circle
[17:19] <shtylman> in the new one it should be a perfect circle...
[17:20] <Riddell> shtylman: you may need to show this to me at UDS :)
[17:23] <shtylman> Riddell: do you still have a copy fo the old one?
[17:23] <shtylman> I will make a side by side for ya :)
[17:24] <Riddell> shtylman: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/old-kubuntu-logo-lucid.svg
[17:27] <shtylman> Riddell: http://www.shtylman.com/stuff/pendant.png
[17:28] <Riddell> nixternal: for "Which ISO did you use for installation?" can you add i386 and amd64 DVD and 9.10 upgrade?
[17:29] <Riddell> shtylman: mm hmm, and which is which again?
[17:29] <shtylman> Riddell: we need to work on your art skills
[17:29] <shtylman> the one on the left is the old
[17:29] <shtylman> see how the center of the "circle of friends" is lopsided
[17:29] <shtylman> i.e. isn't a perfect circle
[17:29] <Riddell> mm, I think I might
[17:29] <shtylman> and on the right, it is a perfect circle
[17:31] <Riddell> I need to go out to take my canoeing session in a bit, who has access to the web site to publish the announcement incase I miss the release?
[17:32] <Riddell> ryanakca presumably still out
[17:32] <shtylman> sadness
[17:32] <Riddell> shtylman: are you around for the next few hours?
[17:33] <shtylman> Riddell: yea I am
[17:33] <Riddell> shtylman: do you have website access details?
[17:33] <shtylman> nope
[17:34] <Riddell> nixternal: might be nice if the survey used the new logo (low priority) https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[17:39] <ofirk> Riddell: I can publish it
[17:39] <rgreening> shtylman: we'll need that updated in the kickoff logo too for the branding there.
[17:39] <rgreening> so after release, we need to push an updated package with that
[17:39] <Riddell> ah ofirk, didn't see you there
[17:40] <rgreening> shtylman: I assume thew same would be in the plymouth theme
[17:41] <rgreening> hmm. I wonder how the CD/DVD art will look
[17:41] <rgreening> :(
[17:41] <Riddell> good question
[17:41] <Riddell> design guy asked me for the wallpaper a while back saying it would be based on that
[17:42] <shtylman> rgreening: indeed
[17:52] <nixternal> Riddell: new image in use for the survey
[17:57] <mcas> is it correct, that i only see old images on iso.qa for kubuntu?
[18:01] <shtylman> we are still using the old logo on the main page
[18:01] <shtylman> will that be updated?
[18:02] <ofirk> yes, when the new theme will be published
[18:02] <ofirk> (I hope soon)
[18:04] <shtylman> coolness
[18:04] <ofirk> it seems that the countdown doesn't have an image for when kubuntu is released...
[18:04] <shtylman> yea...
[18:05] <ofirk> do you know who did the images for the countdown?
[18:05] <shtylman> nope
[18:05] <ofirk> I wonder what font they used for "10.04 LTS"?
[18:07] <ofirk> lol, just noticed that the image are placed in a folder called 10.10-countdown :) (http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/10.10-countdown/kubuntu_1.png)
[18:08] <shtylman> haha
[18:13] <nookie^> ofirk: i did
[18:14] <ofirk> nookie^: they are very nice!
[18:14] <nookie^> ofirk: thank you
[18:14] <ofirk> nookie^: what font do you used for the "10.04 LTS" string?
[18:15] <nookie^> hmm let me check
[18:15] <ofirk> nookie^: thanks
[18:16] <nookie^> ofirk: i used Century Gothic
[18:17] <ofirk> nookie^: thanks again :)
[18:17] <amichair> do u guys do all the graphis with gimp?
[18:17] <ofirk> nookie^: btw, do you think you have time to make one for when kubuntu is released?
[18:17] <ofirk> amichair: I do
[18:18] <nookie^> amichair: photoshop here
[18:18] <ofirk> don't know of any other good software for linux
[18:18] <ofirk> nookie^: on linux?
[18:18] <nookie^> ofirk: neee mac =)
[18:18] <shtylman> inkscape for the win
[18:18] <ofirk> nookie^: you are cheating ;)
[18:19] <nookie^> ofirk: hehe maybe but im used to work with photoshop
[18:19] <ofirk> shtylman: inkspace is for different porpuses than gimp, maybe more for logos, icons (?)
[18:21] <nookie^> ofirk: i will see if i can do a banner for the release
[18:21] <nookie^> btw when will kubuntu be released? today at what time?
[18:21] <shtylman> nookie^: who knows
[18:22] <shtylman> ofirk: I use inkscape for lots of things
[18:22] <shtylman> granted I miss photoshop from way back in the day
[18:22] <shtylman> but I have gotten to like inkscape
[18:22] <nookie^> yeah inkscape is really good
[18:22] <nookie^> but there is nonthing compared to PS
[18:22] <ofirk> it can do image manipulations like gimp?
[18:23] <nookie^> guess not
[18:23] <ofirk> oh...
[18:23] <nookie^> u mean in ps or inkscape?
[18:23] <ofirk> inkspace (photoshop is the master of image manipulations!)
[18:24] <nookie^> yeah
[18:24] <nookie^> i guess u can not do image manipulations in inkscape
[18:24] <rbelem> hey Riddell, i stated to move the code to kdelibs/kio http://paste.ubuntu.com/424704/
[18:24] <nookie^> but im not 100%
[18:24] <nixternal> Riddell: updated survey to include DVD as well as upgrade
[18:25] <ofirk> nookie^: do you work primarily on mac?
[18:25] <nookie^> ofirk: yeah all the time.. at work at home
[18:25] <nookie^> before it was win but that is gone finaly
[18:27] <ofirk> nookie^: can mac be a full replacment for windows (leaving games)?
[18:28] <nookie^> ofirk: definitivly... u have everything an more
[18:28] <nookie^> if u dont play games then there is no point to have windows
[18:28] <nookie^> and if u need it u can dualboot
[18:29] <ofirk> nookie^: does it have MS Office, for example? (I want to remove all windows mechines from the house)
[18:29] <nookie^> yeah it has
[18:29] <nookie^> ofirk: and new office 2011 is comming out soon
[18:30] <nookie^> u have everything as on windows except trojans, virus, malware etc =)
[18:30] <txwikinger> the drum can stop rollong now
[18:31] <ofirk> shtylman: are you here?
[18:31] <shtylman> ofirk: always :)
[18:31] <ofirk> shtylman: was kubuntu released?
[18:32] <shtylman> ofirk: its close
[18:32] <ofirk> shtylman: the guys at ubuntu-release seems to be really happy :)
[18:32] <shtylman> ofirk: yes, they are probly finalizing things
[18:32] <ulysses> Can somebody link me the Kubuntu announcement? I want to write the Hungarian version of it, and post to the ubuntu.hu :)
[18:32] <shtylman> until the ubuntu page changes we wait
[18:33] <ofirk> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000133.html
[18:34] <ofirk> ulysses: http://kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release
[18:34] <ofirk> but it doesn't up yet
[18:34] <shtylman> woo
[18:35] <ulysses> ofirk: thank you
[18:49] <ofirk_> ulysses: it is up now :)
[18:51] <nookie^> Riddell: ping?
[18:53] <shtylman> nookie^: Riddell is out
[18:57] <ulysses> ofirk_: I see:)
[18:58] <nookie^> shtylman: oki... im making an release banner if someone wants to use it
[18:59] <shtylman> nookie^: sure... make it and see if riddel can include it... but I think it isn't easy to change the banner iirc
[19:00] <nookie^> shtylman: yeah i will see if it's possible
[19:01] <ofirk_> nookie^: do you mean a release banner for the countdown?
[19:04] <nookie^> ofirk_: just a sec.. im upload it
[19:04] <nookie^> shtylman: ofirk_: here u go
[19:04] <nookie^> http://imagebin.ca/img/G-WiLt.png
[19:05] <ofirk_> cool!
[19:06] <ofirk_> where should it be placed?
[19:06] <nookie^> dont know
[19:06] <nookie^> anyone can use it if they want to
[19:06] <nookie^> did it just 4 fun
[19:07] <ofirk_> can you do one with the countdown dimensions?
[19:07] <nookie^> i will see
[19:08] <ofirk_> nookie^: how did you do the kubuntu circle bumpy like that?
[19:09] <ofirk_> nookie^: is it the shadow?
[19:10] <nookie^> yeah it´s shaddow
[19:10] <nookie^> just a sec... phone
[19:13]  * txwikinger turns the sound off due to too much drum rolling
[19:15]  * neversfelde sends txwikinger to Bielefeld
[19:15] <neversfelde> it is quiet there :)
[19:16] <txwikinger> neversfelde: why? no soccer team left?
[19:16]  * txwikinger heads up north.. there are far quieter places than Bielefeld
[19:16] <neversfelde> txwikinger: the city simply does not exist :)
[19:21] <shtylman> nookie^: looks good
[19:27] <nookie^> shtylman: thanx
[19:31] <jjesse> ok so stupid me when i went to kubuntu.org and saw the click on the arrow button to download kubuntu tried to click on that button
[19:32] <ofirk_> are there updated links for the torrents?
[19:41] <neversfelde> the kubuntu counter failed
[19:43] <nookie^> neversfelde: how do u mean?
[19:44] <neversfelde> nookie^: well have a lookt at my blog www.neversfelde.de
[19:44] <neversfelde> on the right side, same for others and the counter on kubuntu.org shows 1 day left
[19:44] <nookie^> neversfelde: yeah i never finished finaly released
[19:44] <nookie^> i only did untly 1 day left
[19:44] <neversfelde> mh :)
[19:45] <neversfelde> mcas: so we probably should remove it from kubuntu-de.org
[19:45] <nookie^> neversfelde: i have done this one now
[19:45] <nookie^> http://blusrcu.ba/nookie/?p=48
[19:46] <neversfelde> nookie^: so it will never be finished?
[19:46] <mcas> k neversfelde i'm on my way
[19:46] <nookie^> neversfelde: u can use the one i created one my blog?
[19:46] <neversfelde> nookie^: the counter is also on kubuntu.org with a "Get this counter" link, so it should also be removed
[19:47] <mcas> done
[19:47] <neversfelde> thanks mcas
[19:47] <mcas> yw
[19:47] <nookie^> neversfelde: im not responsable for the kubuntu.org page
[19:47] <nookie^> otherwise i would remove it
[19:48] <neversfelde> nookie^: I know, I only wonder why it was publised there, if it was never finished
[19:48] <ofirk_> neversfelde: the updated code for the counter can be found here: http://www.kubuntu.org/countdown
[19:48] <ofirk_> (I updated it today)
[19:48] <nookie^> well i can try to make official one released
[19:49] <nookie^> which u can put there instead of 1 day left
[19:49] <neversfelde> ofirk_: it says 1 day left?
[19:49] <ofirk_> neversfelde: yes, but nookie^is working on that
[19:49] <neversfelde> ok
[19:50] <ofirk_> nookie^: Riddell needs to update the image, he is the only one who has access to it
[19:50] <nookie^> ofirk_: ahh yeah.. do u have access to the webpage
[19:50] <nookie^> so u can update it?
[19:50] <nookie^> damn u're right
[19:50] <nookie^> people has used his link
[19:51] <amichair> maybe we should let the drummer retire for the evening?
[19:51] <ofirk_> yeah, he done a good job :)
[19:52] <amichair> :)
[19:56]  * txwikinger is saying this for ages
[19:57] <ofirk_> txwikinger: so what should be instead of the drummer?
[19:57] <txwikinger> Put up the important links
[19:58] <txwikinger> like the kubuntu torrent
[19:58] <txwikinger> download pages
[19:58] <ofirk_> txwikinger: what is the kubuntu torrent link?
[19:59] <txwikinger> no idea.. do we have one?
[19:59] <txwikinger> if not we maybe should
[19:59] <persia> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/lucid/desktop/kubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso.torrent
[19:59] <persia> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/lucid/desktop/kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso.torrent
[19:59] <txwikinger> thanks persia :)
[19:59] <ofirk_> persia: thanks!
[20:00] <persia> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/lucid/netbook/kubuntu-10.04-netbook-i386.iso.torrent
[20:00] <persia> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/lucid/alternate/kubuntu-10.04-alternate-amd64.iso.torrent
[20:00] <persia> http://torrent.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/simple/lucid/alternate/kubuntu-10.04-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[20:00] <persia> And that's all the ones I found.
[20:05] <neversfelde> these links should also be added to http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu/download
[20:05] <neversfelde> and replace the karmic ones
[20:05] <neversfelde> I have access I think, but I do not want to break anything, because I am not sure what is planned
[20:05] <ofirk_> neversfelde: I already updated them
[20:06] <neversfelde> thanks
[20:06] <nookie^> ofirk_: neversfelde: http://imagebin.ca/img/X8m8Dxa2.png
[20:07] <neversfelde> so there is no release announcement for Lucid?
[20:07] <neversfelde> nookie^: great
[20:07] <ofirk_> Awesomeness!!!!!!!!!
[20:07] <nookie^> =)
[20:08] <ofirk_> what's left to do is to wake up Riddell :)
[20:08] <nookie^> yeah true =)
[20:08] <maco> he's not asleep, he's canoeing
[20:09] <persia> Now that's confidence in the quality of the release!
[20:09] <neversfelde> hehe
[20:09] <ofirk_> :)
[20:19] <neversfelde> so again, don't we have a release announcement except for this incredible big image on k.org?
[20:20] <nookie^> such a huge release but no activity at all
[20:20] <nookie^> where is marketing ?
[20:24] <maco> neversfelde: yes, Riddell wrote one and told ofirk_ to hit the publish button when its time
 I need to go out to take my canoeing session in a bit, who has access to the web site to publish the announcement incase I miss the release?
 Riddell: I can publish it
[20:24] <neversfelde> ofirk_: ?
[20:24] <neversfelde> I'll have a look
[20:26] <ofirk_> shtylman published the release announcement: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release
[20:28] <nookie^> ofirk_: link that HUGE image to that link
[20:29] <nookie^> on main page
[20:29] <Tm_T> nookie^: in the mirror, I guess
[20:29] <nookie^> Tm_T: ?
[20:29] <ofirk_> yeah, I am trying to figure out why the latest news section wasn't updated too
[20:31] <neversfelde> ok
[20:49] <ofirk_> oh, finally!
[20:59] <Riddell> hi
[20:59] <Riddell> what did I miss?
[20:59] <rbelem> hey Riddell, i stated to move the code to kdelibs/kio http://paste.ubuntu.com/424704/
[20:59] <rbelem> :-)
[21:00] <ofirk_> Riddell: shtylman published the release notes, but it won't appear on the left sidebar
[21:00] <ofirk_> Riddell: it was published as a page so I deleted it and published it again as a story
[21:00] <shtylman> I have no idea why it doesn't appear
[21:00] <ofirk_> I have no idea too
[21:00] <Riddell> it'll need to be as a story
[21:00] <Riddell> fooey
[21:01] <Riddell> looks sorted now anyway
[21:02] <ofirk_> throught the admin frontend it is there, but when you logout it disappears
[21:02] <ofirk_> I check more than twice that all fields are the same as the once for the other news items
[21:03] <Riddell> ofirk_: I see it
[21:06] <neversfelde> I must admit, that I do not like the way kubuntu.org looks. http://www.kubuntu-de.org is much cleaner, although it is very simple. But I guess that is a matter of taste.
[21:06] <nookie^> neversfelde: i agree with u =/
[21:07] <Riddell> we have a new theme coming
[21:07] <neversfelde> great
[21:07] <Riddell> should have been up for the release but the sysadmins are too busy
[21:07] <Riddell> ofirk_ can show you
[21:07] <ofirk_> I don't see it
[21:08] <neversfelde> ofirk_: I would like to see a preview :)
[21:09] <ofirk_> neversfelde: of what?
[21:09] <Riddell> ofirk_: must be something cached
[21:09] <persia> alternate amd64 has a strangely low number of torrent seeds (specifically, I see 1 vs. >10 for all the other Kubuntu isos), if anyone has some extra bandwidth.
[21:09] <neversfelde> ofirk_: the new theme
[21:09] <ofirk_> here it is: http://violetech.org/kubuntu-website-screenshot-homepage2.png
[21:10] <neversfelde> ofirk_: thanks
[21:11] <ofirk_> Riddell:  I cleared the cache and tried from three different browsers and it is still not there
[21:12] <ofirk_> Riddell: I see it now!
[21:12] <ofirk_> Riddell: what did you do?
[21:14] <Riddell> ofirk_: I think it's behind multiple proxies and they don't update at the same time
[21:22] <nookie^> could someone maybe upload default kde 4.4 wallpaper somewhere?
[21:24] <amichair> is it just me or is the homepage really slow to load?
[21:26] <shtylman> nookie^: you can get it from the kde svn
[21:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'm back
[21:27] <nookie^> shtylman: yeah i know... problem is it will take me ages to find it there =)) thought someone had it already somewhere =)
[21:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: you missed all the fun :)
[21:27] <ryanakca> Riddell: (in reply to "presumably still out")
[21:27] <ryanakca> Yeah. Hurray for school! :)
[21:28] <amichair> dunno if it'll help, but perhaps the big image on the homepage can be saved as indexed palette instead of rgb - can save 150K
[21:37] <shtylman> nookie^: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/KDE/4.4/kdebase/workspace/wallpapers/Ethais/contents/images/
[21:38] <nookie^> shtylman: thank you!!! :)
[21:46] <ofirk_> neversfelde: what do you think about the new theme?
[21:47] <neversfelde> ofirk_: nice, although I do n ot understand, why news are not on the front page. Dynamic content should be on top
[21:49] <amichair> ofirk_: when is ur new design going live?
[21:50] <ofirk_> neversfelde: the front page is more for the avarage user, which wants to see download links, general info, etc.
[21:50] <ofirk_> neversfelde: news as their place under /news
[21:50] <ofirk_> amichair: hopefully, next week
[21:50] <shtylman> neversfelde: the decision to make news less visible was made 2 UDSs ago iirc
[21:50] <amichair> ofirk_: cool
[21:50] <shtylman> the goal was to focus more on marketing
[21:51] <neversfelde> ofirk_, shtylman: I know this argument, and I cannot agree, but this is again matter of taste :)
[21:51] <shtylman> neversfelde: fair enough :)
[21:51] <neversfelde> I have some links about community building somewhere, they are quite interesting and they all recommend to put dynamic content on the front page
[21:52] <neversfelde> I think neverendingo from KDE forum gave them to me, I will search
[21:52] <ofirk_> neversfelde: you are right, for a community website this is the correct way of doing it
[21:52] <neversfelde> ofirk_: and kubuntu.org is no community website?
[21:52] <amichair> neversfelde: if u have links available, it would be interesting to read
[21:53] <neversfelde> amichair: I do not have my passowrds available at the moment, I will post them here tomorrow, if I can find them
[21:54] <amichair> neversfelde: that would be great, thanks!
[21:54] <ofirk_> neversfelde: kubuntu.org is a website for marketing kubuntu
[21:54] <ofirk_> neversfelde: the wiki and the forums are more like community websites
[21:55] <neversfelde> ofirk_: mhh, it is a website which has at least a support section and whole community will first go to kubuntu.org to get their infos
[21:56] <neversfelde> ofirk_: and News about Kubuntu is a huge part of marketing, so I think they should be placed more prominent
[21:56] <ofirk_> neversfelde: most of the news are about new packages in PPAs or new software versions which really don't interest the avarage user
[21:57] <ofirk_> neversfelde: it does interest me and you
[21:57] <ofirk_> neversfelde: but we are devs (at least you :))
[21:57] <neversfelde> ofirk_: really? So we package only for advanced users? No, every advanced user knows where to look for new packages, the average user needs the info
[21:58] <ofirk_> neversfelde: the avarage user don't know a thing about packages
[21:58] <ryanakca> neversfelde: But I don't think we want "average users" testing unstable packages.
[21:58] <ofirk_> neversfelde: he only wants to work on a stable and good looking OS
[21:58] <claydoh> but the user clamor for it, to be honest
[21:59] <claydoh> kde users seem to prefer using latest fresh stuff
[21:59] <ryanakca> If that unstable package happens from our PPA happens to wreck the "average user"'s system, they don't know how to fix it...
[21:59] <ryanakca> s/happens.*PPA/from our PPA/
[21:59] <ofirk_> claydoh: again, kde users are considered above avarage
[22:00] <claydoh> I wouldn't say that is 100% true
[22:00] <claydoh> but it mostly is :)
[22:00] <ofirk_> claydoh: do you know someone which has nothing to do with computers?
[22:01] <claydoh> or more willing to try things
[22:01] <neversfelde> ryanakca: why not? We need every bug report and I think 80 % of them are reported by average users. I really think we should not treat our users like a child and gave them the infos they need and want.
[22:01] <neversfelde> s/gave/give
[22:01] <claydoh> my wife, my boss, a number of employees
[22:01] <ofirk_> claydoh: take one of them and install him kubuntu
[22:02] <ofirk_> claydoh: and see how he uses it
[22:02] <JontheEchidna> \o/
[22:02] <amichair> claydoh: all of the above should likely not try to install an alpha release or beta packages... they probably just want a stable system so they can get their work done
[22:02] <ofirk_> claydoh: I bet he will browse the internet, read email, play music and videos
[22:02] <neversfelde> it is not a good idea to announce beta packages, but why should the average user not test a point release from updates ppa. A warning that the packages in this ppa are not as good as in the official archive should be enough
[22:02] <ofirk_> but don't install any packages
[22:02] <neversfelde> or better not so much tested
[22:03] <claydoh> neversfelde: +1 clearly labeled warnings are necessary
[22:03] <neversfelde> yes
[22:03] <ofirk_> the average user is a person who?
[22:03] <ofirk_> ...
[22:04] <claydoh> perhaps the average *kubuntu* user, whoever that is :)
[22:04] <amichair> runs windows? :-P
[22:04] <neversfelde> it is inconsistent either not show important infos to the average user, but on the other hand announce Amarok beta1
[22:05] <ofirk_> imprtant info like what? (security announchments?)
[22:05] <ofirk_> *important
[22:06] <neversfelde> I think we should put the news on the front page as we did before and be a little bit more careful about what we announce
[22:06]  * claydoh really should be working at work :(
[22:06] <neversfelde> ofirk_: important info for me is "KDE 4.4.3 packages available for Lucid"
[22:07] <neversfelde> we could always show a warning that the packages are "only" in a ppa
[22:07] <ofirk_> neversfelde: this is for you, but what about the "dumb users"?
[22:08] <ofirk_> those who really don't care about PPAs and stuff (like Windows users)
[22:08] <neversfelde> ofirk_: no it is not for me, I usualy know, when there are packages in the update ppa :)
[22:08] <amichair> another option might be to make the news small font on the side, rather than the old site whose homepage was entirely made of huge news items. That way only those who care will look at at.
[22:08] <neversfelde> ofirk_: well, they will never read the messages and never add the ppas and never update
[22:09] <neversfelde> every interested user should have the option to find what he's looking for
[22:09] <ofirk_> neversfelde: exactly. if we want users like those to move to kubuntu, we need to market ourselves differently
[22:10] <neversfelde> probably not the best time and place to discuss it
[22:10] <ofirk_> intersted users are a couple of levels above the average user (or win user)
[22:10] <ofirk_> yeah
[22:10] <neversfelde> no, an average user can be an interested user
[22:10] <neversfelde> and he should be
[22:11] <neversfelde> and I really think that most users are interested
[22:11] <neversfelde> they would not use Kubuntu, if they are not
[22:12] <ofirk_> neversfelde: you have a point
[22:12] <neversfelde> :)
[22:13] <ofirk_> the news page is still a good place for intersted users
[22:14] <ofirk_> but the frontpage is another story
[22:14] <ofirk_>  look at kde.org
[22:14] <ofirk_> to my personal taste it is overcrowded
[22:14] <neversfelde> a good compromise would be great :)
[22:14] <ofirk_> and I consider myself an average kde user
[22:15] <neversfelde> I think the "User of the day" is much less interesting then KDE 4.4.3
[22:16] <ofirk_> it should be replaced by something else (forgot with what)
[22:17] <neversfelde> ofirk_: I am looking forward to the relaunch and probably we could discuss this again after it happened
[22:18] <ofirk_> neversfelde: sounds great
[22:19] <Lex79> o/
[22:57] <nookie^> ofirk_: there?
[22:57] <ofirk_> nookie^: yep
[22:57] <nookie^> i have a homepage
[22:57] <nookie^> i mean a mock or idea
[22:57] <ofirk_> nookie^: ok, lets see
[22:58] <nookie^> just a sec
[22:59] <nookie^> ofirk_: here u go
[22:59] <nookie^> http://imagebin.ca/img/lqMUDx.png
[22:59] <ulysses> nookie^: that's awesome
[22:59] <nookie^> ulysses: thanx
[22:59] <ofirk_> nookie^: looks good
[23:00] <ofirk_> nookie^:  I like the top background
[23:00] <nookie^> ofirk_: yeah it's quite okej since i did it in short period
[23:00] <nookie^> ahh that one yeah
[23:00] <nookie^> it's look nice
[23:01] <ofirk_> I think the button strip is over styled
[23:01] <ofirk_> it feels heavy
[23:02] <nookie^> that could be true yeah
[23:02] <nookie^> but my idea was to give focus on those 4 things
[23:02] <nookie^> since they were important
[23:03] <ofirk_> yeah, that sounds right
[23:04] <ofirk_> I guess they are things which can be further tuned
[23:04] <nookie^> i agree there
[23:04] <ofirk_> (I mean in the new theme...)
[23:04] <nookie^> hehe
[23:04] <nookie^> but also here
[23:04] <ofirk_> yes :)
[23:04] <nookie^> things could be improved endlessly =)
[23:05] <ofirk_> that's true also :o
[23:05] <ofirk_> oops, wrong smiley
[23:05] <nookie^> hehe
[23:15] <nookie^> time to get some sleep. night ofirk_
[23:15] <ofirk_> good night