[00:00] saintly: ^^ alt+tab... or click them on the task bar... [00:00] alright [00:03] When I do the restart it says "restart: Unknown instance:" [00:04] saintly: o wait, on the netbook edition :) there is no task bar but if you click the "Current application" widget (and have desktop effects enabled) all the applications should display them selves in a grid [00:06] wllkmbll: did you run "sudo service network-manager restart" as one command? (that error sounds like you ran "sudo service restart" instead) [00:06] Yes, it was one command [00:07] wllkmbll: sorry miss read the error, let me just find a comp with network-manager on it, one sec [00:09] wllkmbll: hmm that command does work here... what happens if you replace restart with stop? [00:09] If this isn't the best way to do it let me know. I'm just trying to figure out an easy way to connect to networks. [00:09] wllkmbll: (then start to start it again) [00:10] Stop gave me "stop: Unknown instance:" [00:10] wllkmbll: if knetworkmanager works using thats the eisiest, but if it dosnt nm-applet usually is (not sure why your having that error though) [00:10] wllkmbll: hmm [00:10] wllkmbll: did you have wicd installed before you installed nm-applet? [00:10] and start gave me "network-manager start/running, process 13532" [00:11] wllkmbll: ahh thats better [00:11] Yes, I was using wicd before this [00:11] wllkmbll: now try running nm-applet [00:11] it asked for my keyring password then nothing happened [00:12] nvm, my prompt changed to nm-applet at the top [00:12] wllkmbll: ahh yes, restart dosnt seem to work if the service insnt running in the first place :S it should be now though so nm-applet should work [00:12] So now that I'm running nm-applet, what do I do to access my networks? [00:12] wllkmbll: wired or wireless? [00:13] wireless, although I'm pluged into a wired right now to figure this out [00:13] wllkmbll: you should beable to click (maby right click) on the icon to get a list of networks (not very fimilar with nm-applet though) [00:15] what's the difference between kdewallpapers and kdebase-workspace-wallpapers? [00:15] * dominicdinada bangs head on keyboard [00:15] Where is the icon? [00:16] muesli: I think one contains extra wallpapers (immages) and the other contains wall paper effects (virus/globe/etc..) [00:16] wllkmbll: should be in your system tray [00:17] When I ran nm-applet it didn't open anything, it change the konsole to nm-applet instead of bash [00:18] wllkmbll: hmm, possibally click the (<) arrow think in the systray.. [00:18] Do you mean the kickoff window? [00:19] wllkmbll: no, the system tray (the thing on the pannel that contains the volume, an (i) and various other things) [00:20] wllkmbll: kde3? and systray. is a plasmoid. 'add widgets' (if you dont already have one) (bottom-right?) [00:20] wllkmbll: also, does knetworkmanager not work for you? consider filing a bugreport if not. please. :) [00:21] Oh, the cashew looking-thing, and I think I'm using kde3 I honestly don't know [00:21] knetworkmanager doesn't work for me, how do I submit a bug report? [00:21] wllkmbll: go to any kde application > Help > about kde... should try you which version your running [00:22] wllkmbll: bugs.kde.org :) [00:22] I'm in KDE 4.3.2 [00:22] wllkmbll: also, you must add a 'system tray' plasmoid before you start nm-applet. killall -9 nm-applet first. to make sure no runaways are hidden. [00:23] wllkmbll: try to include anything useful at all about your connection/setup/drivers/etc in the bugreport. [00:24] ok, nm-applet worked now, thanks [00:31] Sorry, my internet was off for a second. I was switching from wired to wireless. Nm-applet is working, but when I close the konsole window I used to open it nm-applet closes too [00:32] heheh [00:32] right-click on the desktop > run command > 'nm-applet' [00:32] :) [00:33] you ran an app from a terminal session, it became a child process and when the parent goes, so does the child [00:33] Awesome thanks! And I can set this to run on startup, right? [00:33] wllkmbll: 'nm-applet' or 'nm-applet &' ? [00:33] wllkmbll: systemsettings->advanced->autostart :) [00:34] 'nm-applet' what does the and do [00:34] wllkmbll: spawns it as a seperate process. so that konsole doesnt 'own' it anymore. :) [00:34] Oh... that makes sense [00:34] wllkmbll: you can run any command like that. to return to a prompt rather than watch the commands output. [00:35] Ok, kool. Can I run nm-applet without a system tray? I really don't like the clutter from it [00:36] wllkmbll: no. nm-applet is a systemtray icon. :/ i would figure out why knetworkmanager doesnt work if i were you... nm-applet is 1998 :P [00:37] Knetworkmanager never gave me the option to connect [00:37] wllkmbll: you can configure what icons the system tray plasmoid shows though. right-click it's empty space, 'configure system tray' -> autohide [00:38] wllkmbll: weird stuff. 4.4? [00:38] 4.3 [00:38] Knowing my luck I probably messed something up, lol [00:39] wllkmbll: hm. maybe it's been fixed in 4.4. [00:39] wllkmbll: rm .kde/share/apps/networkmanagement -r && rm .kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc [00:39] wllkmbll: that will reset any knetworkmanager settings/twiddlings you might have done. [00:40] hey anybody know where can i upload the screenshots that can be access from anybody, i want to get some help form them [00:40] er. .kde4 maybe. rather than .kde. i dunno. :P [00:40] st_jimmy1990: lolwut? imagebin.ca? [00:44] So how can I make a system tray show only 1 icon? [00:44] In Dolphin: How can I arrange by rows and still have text beside icons? [00:46] Gadu: use Details view :) [00:46] wllkmbll: I think apps that load in the tray, have a setting NOT to [00:47] not sure if that helps [00:47] wllkmbll: dunno :) under the configuration dialog? [00:47] kde4-config --version [00:47] ^ lol [00:47] Typos_King: Details view does it by columns rather than rows and also restricts to only 1 column [00:47] Gadu: rightclick the column header [00:48] Gadu: there is also a columnview... not sure what its for.. [00:48] Ok, I installed plasma-widget-networkmanagement, can I use it instead of nm-applet? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [00:48] wllkmbll: :? maybe. never used it. i imagine it must work for some people. [00:49] wllkmbll: sure [00:49] djustice: the grid arrange option in dolphin settings for Icons view has arrange by column and arrange by row. I want the way row arranges things but I want the text beside the icon like column has it [00:49] I installed the package through synaptic, but I have no clue how to open the widget, it doesn't show up when I click add widgets. [00:50] wllkmbll: kbuildsycoca4 && kquitapp plasma-desktop && plasma-desktop ... maybe [00:50] isn't there an option or a configuration I can change somewhere that will allow me to have text beside icons? [00:50] Gadu: im not understanding you. :P the columnheader under details view doesnt have a context menu? [00:50] Gadu: when i click 'details', the filename/size/mod-date are beside the icon... [00:51] That just made the desktop restart [00:51] wllkmbll: try the add widgets box again [00:51] wllkmbll: it updates the plasmoid list [00:51] djustice: that isn't what I want, I want row sorting (icons show up left to right row by row from the top down) [00:51] Nope, it wasn't there [00:52] djustice: but I can't seem to get that sorting without text below the icons [00:52] djustice: details view sorts by column rather than row [00:52] wllkmbll: :?? weirdness. log out and back in maybe? [00:52] Gadu: and what does columns view do? [00:53] djustice: sorts by column (top to bottom) instead of left to right [00:54] djustice: I'm very against compromising with things in linux. so far I can either have the text where I want OR the sorting I want with dolphin, and I want both of what I want. ( I know other file browsers can do it so dolphin either needs to or I need the next recommended file browser for Kubuntu) [00:54] Gadu: i dunno. :D maybe you should post your usecase on the kde forums? im not understanding the situation... [00:55] logging off and back on didn't work either [00:55] Gadu: konqueror cant do it? [00:55] djustice: would screenshots help? [00:55] djustice: I'll check [00:55] Gadu: maybe.. [00:56] wllkmbll: hm. i dunno then. :/ [00:56] djustice: konqueror does it exactly the same as dolphin (settings section for it is the same and everything) [00:59] Gadu: what about the 'icons' view? [00:59] no good? [01:00] Gadu: icons view, with 'settings->configure dolphin->view modes->column' option. :) [01:00] Gadu: i guess is what you mean.. lol [01:01] I think he wants Grid arrangement by rows [01:01] djustice: I used icons view with view mode column but it sorts them up and down instead of left to right. but it does put the text beside icons [01:01] Typos_King: exactly [01:02] Gadu: not for me, then again, in the Icons View section, you can set the Grid > Arrangement to Rows [01:02] for me is sorting horizontally [01:05] Typos_King: with text beside icons? [01:05] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1289516/DolphinRow.png here is Dolphin by Row but it has text below icons [01:06] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1289516/DolphinColumn.png here is Dolphin by Column but it's sorting vertically [01:06] Gadu: no with text underneath it [01:06] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1289516/Nautilus.png this is nautilus demonstrating what I want it to do [01:08] note that with Dolphin's (seemingly) only option to have text beside icons, it will always use a horizontal scrolling bar as it's sorting vertically instead of horizontally [01:10] Gadu: not... in dolphin, you can always install Nautilus though :) [01:10] I use Krusader myself, doesn't do that, but is dual-pane which I use :) [01:10] isn't running a gnome application in kde inefficient? [01:11] no [01:11] technically I have nautilus installed already as I have both ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed [01:11] is just loads/installs the libs it needs, no the whole suite [01:13] seems a shame that I have to use gnome's file browser on my kde desktop just because it's lacking a feature --_-- [01:13] mind you that's just cosmetics [01:14] I bet many folks don't use nautilus and use something like midnightcommander [01:14] I guess I'll post the limitation on the forum and see if there is an advanced fix or if it could be added later [01:14] soooo, different strokes for different folks [01:14] limitation? [01:15] it only has 2 of 4 option combinations [01:15] hi there i need some help I'm new to ubuntu [01:15] I consider file browsers that can only use details view to have a limitation as well [01:15] I'd not call it a limitation, that's like saying my Car has the limitation that it can't vaccum my rug, or mow my lawn, is just not a feature that's considered for what it does, I mean, I can't use an iPhone as a shaver and that's not a limitation [01:16] can some one pick me up [01:16] I consider it a limitation because you have the 2 options of sorting methods and the 2 options for text orientation but can't choose them separately [01:16] hehee [01:16] natural_: Just state your question [01:16] cool thanks... [01:17] natural_: can some one pick me up <---- I'd not try that in San Francisco ^_^ [01:17] i just tool an update and now the system wont reboot unless i select the third line [01:17] *took [01:17] all they'd have to do is separate that pull down menu into 2 and it'd no longer be limited in that way [01:18] the update said something about 9 beta? [01:19] Gadu: many if not most file managers, including windows explorer, do not have such feature, that I can recall, does that mean they're all defficient? the glass is eithe half-full or half-empty you know [01:19] i'm running 9.10 [01:19] natural_: any errors when trying to boot 'normaly'? [01:20] nope just saids cant load kernal when i press any key goes back to the listing i choose 9.10 [01:20] needless to say I don't use icon view, mainly details and in Krusader [01:21] this is at the post screen [01:21] Typos_King: no need to take it as an attack, your correct when you say that windows explorer does it the same as dolphin. I wouldn't call a file browsers inability to show file previews a limitation as that is a feature. but when 2 file browsers have the same 2 features but one isn't capable of intermixing them, that is a limitation. Take it as my opinion and nothing more if you disagree [01:23] Gadu: 2 file managers? I've used quite a few, the only I recall having that as default was Nautilus, for all I know thus far is the ONLY one that has that feature, nothing wrong with it, but I gather the consensus doesn't lean towards that enough for many to implement it [01:25] Alright [01:25] Hey, does anyone here have experience with the NetworkManager Widget? [01:25] Typos_King: so you define limitation only when outnumbered and I define it without the need to be outnumbered. the definition of limitation makes no mention of it requiring outnumbering in either direction so I have no reason to believe my interpretation is incorrect. [01:25] i got an error, telling me that there was a low graphics error. [01:25] but nothing is wrong so far, everythings workin fine [01:27] Gadu: indeed, thus the glass is either half-full or half-empty, you say is half-empty I say is half-full, I may add both are valid claims, one no any better than the other, someone else will say is half-way from where it needs to be, things are relative, no global [01:27] saintly_: mind over matter, if you don't mind it, it don't matter :) [01:28] Typos_King: so why voice against my choice of wording in the first place? if things are indeed relative [01:28] hi i just installed the 10.04 rc and i know that 10.04 will be released tomorrow ... is there any reason to reinstall 10.04 tomorrow rather than just apt-get upgrade'ing? [01:29] Gadu: well, I'd not say is a 'limitation', my iPhone can't shave me, is that a limitation? is just a 'suggested feature that a market may find useful' [01:30] lontra- nope, just apply updates as usual [01:30] Dragnslcr: ok thanks [01:30] lontra: I'd just ge the .iso, mind you many folks are going to be downloading it, so.... I assume you may encounter slow dl speeds, thus you may be better off getting it on sunday or so [01:30] Typos_King: again I state that is a feature or function of the device and having it or not having it is not a limitation. when 2 features are present but incapable of being intermixed, I consider that a limitation [01:32] Gadu: but the same can be said about the Li-ion battery in an iPhone, it has enough juice to power a built-in motor for a dismountable shaver, so it has a feature that's lacking 'addons', I'd not consider it a limitation [01:34] Typos_King: my phone has the internet and the ability to make calls, but it is limited from using both at the same time. that is a limitation. [01:34] your intermixing needs and wants [01:35] you're rather [01:35] Typos_King: as for your phone having enough power for a shaver, I'm sure you could wire it up to one in some form or another and get it to power it. the fact that your phone doesn't have an attachable one is not a limitation [01:35] how are needs and wants relevant to the definition of limitation? [01:36] I have a phone, it has about 80 options/settings, I use for 2 things, make a call, answer a call, anything after that is not a limitation by overdone for my 'needs' [01:37] so, it can't go online or it can, or do text, or can't, it don't matter to me either, just cuz it may lack it I don't consider it a limitation [01:37] Typos_King: you accuse me repeatedly of calling the lack of a feature a limitation when I only call limiting conditions limitations. such has having a feature but only under a specific condition [01:38] Gadu: under those semantics, everything has limitations [01:38] the fact that it can go online BUT NOT during a call is a limiting condition [01:38] once i've down loaded the lucid iso, what do i use to burn it to disc? [01:38] zus: a cd burner :) [01:38] with an empty disk in it [01:39] Typos_King: are you trying to say there are limitless things? [01:39] Typos_King, check, and check... [01:39] Gadu: no, just that your semantics of 'limitation' is too broad [01:39] I used Nero [01:39] I have a limitation myself, I only have 2 arms, I wish I had 6, hell I know I can use them [01:40] Typos_King: my interpretation of the definition of limitation is literal and nothing more [01:40] Gadu: relative you mean, no literal, limitation has a connotation of 'defficient' [01:41] typos when i got 9.04 and 9.10 i still had windows wich is what i use d to burn the iso with irreader.exe [01:41] so, I'm defficient, cuz I don't have 4 legs and 6 arms [01:41] Typos_King: literal as in by the book, I am not required to abide by connotations when taking something literally [01:41] zus: you can burn it in windows, sure [01:42] Typos_King, ..wich program with kubuntu should i use? [01:42] zus- k3b [01:43] zus- should be in KMenu -> Multimedia [01:43] Gadu: by the book? whose book? the oxford, webster, urban dictionary, I mean, meanings change per locale, soooo, 'doing a fag' in england isn't the same in san francisco, soooo [01:43] Typos_King: Dolphin is capable of having text beside icons but not when sorting horizontally. that is, by definition, a limiting condition. [01:43] zus: yeah, kubuntu has k3b [01:43] I'm getting a buzzing sound and clipping when I record the soundcard output in audacity. Any suggestions? [01:44] Typos_King: a limitation is exactly that, a limiting condition. [01:44] Typos_King, never tried it, thanks... [01:45] Back again. [01:45] im NUTS about this os now [01:45] Gadu: to you alone is a limitation, relatively, yes, I myself have no use for that feature, thus I use Krusader which I like and doesn't have it, but doesn't matter, for me it may lack some features I may find useful, but for what is meant to do, is good [01:47] Gadu: I have enough hip room for 2 more legs, yet I don't have them, I guess that fits your view of 'limitation', I'd also like to fly, wings or otherwise, can't though, soooooo I have limitations, or just 'lacking features which a market may find useful' [01:48] Typo, ur a nutcase arent you. [01:48] moi? [01:48] nyet komrade [01:48] Typos_King: for something to be a limitation, it doesn't require to effect everyone by any means. you refuse to see a, by definition, limitation, simply because it doesn't effect you. the limitation on my phone for internet during calls doesn't effect me as I don't need or want that ability but it's there non-the-less and is still, by definition, a limitation [01:49] Gadu: can your phone shave you? is not there is it? tsk tsk tsk, limited again [01:50] Typos_King: again you bring up the same thing I've told you repeatedly, having and not having a feature is not a limitation... having a feature but not under a specific condition is a limitation [01:50] a pencil does what a fence doesn't, is just a relative view [01:51] Gadu: but dolphin does have the feature, it just doesn't have one you 'wish you had', and I think it's so by design, after careful UI usage and market considerations [01:52] Typos_King: Dolphin has both features I want but isn't capable of using them both at the same time, there is a difference [01:52] I mean, I use Krusader and does many things dolphin doesn't, I don't consider dolphin 'defficient' for that [01:52] My penguin lost his tie. [01:53] :D [01:53] how can i make firefox the default web browser? [01:54] set it to default when it opens? [01:54] Gadu: if you took a Wrench and meant to use a Plier, is not the fault of either your lack of foresight, is almost like blaming 'anyone else' for things I wish, rather than acknowledging that each have a usefulness niche [01:54] Typos_King: you put words in my mouth and pretend I think things that I definitely do not. you need to drop the extra crap and just argue against the ONE and only ONE thing I've been arguing "if something has a feature but not under a specific condition, that is a limition" I DO NOT believe that something lacking a feature altogether is a limiation [01:55] Typos_King: I'm also not saying that Dolphin REQUIRES the ability I request of it [01:55] fail in advanced logic. [01:55] lol [01:56] Typos_King: a limitation is by no means a problem that requires fixing, I just wish this particular one wasn't there [01:56] this is getting too OT folks [01:56] We can wish what we want but bud, pigs dont fly [01:56] saintly: I haven't been arguing that my wish will come true, only my interpretation of the definition of limitation [01:57] Gadu: that's a relative view though, which goes no farther than you, same as for me, I just acknowledge such, rather than try to say 'things should accomodate to my predilections', instead I just work with what I have, dolphin doesn't have features I wish, I use krusader :) [01:57] Gadu: wasn't? how do you know is not so by design? [01:57] as much as it's so in Nautilus [01:57] we have a lovely quiet channel, it's called #kubuntu-offtopic [01:57] you should use it [01:57] heheh [01:58] Typos_King: again, not arguing that dolphin must have the ability to use both features I want at the same time, just arguing the definition of limitation "Limitation: a limiting condition" [01:58] I am trying to install something from the knosole, but I need an additional library. How do I add it? [01:58] !ot [01:58] #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks! [01:59] right, under that semantics everything has limitations [01:59] claydoh: dropped :) [01:59] konsole* [01:59] Typos_King: thanks [01:59] Typos_King: are you saying there are limitless programs or objects? [01:59] and yes, I'll drop it too claydoh... [01:59] :P~ [01:59] wllkmbll: what missing lib, and what app [02:00] libssl-dev [02:00] Typos_King: Gadu: don't have to drop, just take it to another room :) [02:00] and I'm trying to figure out aircrack-ng [02:02] claydoh: he and I have completely different definitions of limitation and it couldn't be solved even with days of conversation on the topic, I was just becoming frustrated with his putting words in my mouth [02:04] Gadu: You just scared away the guy who was helping me :| [02:06] wllkmbll: did you try installing libssl-dev? [02:06] I don't know how, lol, I'm new to linux [02:07] wllkmbll: sudo aptitude install libssl-dev [02:07] are you compiling from source or installing the binary package? [02:07] wllkmbll: you should just have to type sudo aptitude install aircrack-ng [02:07] Source, I think. [02:09] Ok, now that I think I installed it do you know how to use it? Does it have a GUI? [02:10] it's command-line only iirc [02:10] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=528276 [02:10] that is an excellent guide on using it [02:11] I apologize if some of the info is out of date, but I don't know of a better guide =P [02:11] I know so little about this stuff that anything you can give me is great === jra is now known as Puritan === anurag is now known as jdk2588 === yofel_ is now known as yofel [03:07] hello, good night [03:08] the sound in my kubuntu stopped working inside the browsers [03:08] but it still works outside it [03:08] I tried chrome and firefox [03:08] I get no sound from sites like youtube or dailymotion [03:08] =( === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:11] im right with you rafa [03:11] mines cutting off too [03:13] =( [03:13] is this a common issue? [03:13] right [03:13] it is for me [03:14] it's weird cause it works fine in amarok [03:14] loud and clear [03:14] i dont have anything outside browser to test sound on tho [03:14] amarok, let me try ther [03:14] yea, give it a shot [03:14] you can get songs from jamendo [03:14] jamendo.com [03:14] from within amarok [03:15] in case you don't have any mp3s, or oggs [03:16] im downloading the database now [03:16] k [03:17] where is 10.04 full release [03:18] Kontact (or Kmail) keeps crashing with some complaint about the Akonadi server. Is this something I should reinstall or something? KDE4 is useless to me without Kmail. [03:18] markj: Not released till tomorrow? [03:18] its the 29th today [03:19] saintly: so, did you test the sound? [03:19] would i need to do a full install if i am using 10.04 RC [03:20] or would it be just a apt-get dist-update [03:20] markj: Hey, are you using a pre-10.04, too? Any problems with KMail? [03:20] just having a look now [03:21] what issue do you have with kmail [03:21] markj: It starts up ok, finds all my old folders from KDE3, and then just as I decide to look around, it says: "Akonadi server problem" and a big long message, then shuts down. [03:21] * _thegeek0100_ [03:22] i just tested sound [03:22] i was having that issue with the beta [03:22] nothing works [03:22] hmm reboot brb [03:23] have not tested if its resolved with this release [03:23] Gotta go, but thanks for the info, markj [03:23] I may go ubuntu instead kubuntu [03:23] finding kde unstable in some part [03:28] rafa [03:29] we have sound ;) [03:30] im set up on an internet radio so ill know when it dies [03:36] saintly: so, did you just restart? [03:36] this is my existing xorg.conf: http://pastebin.com/9s7TdYk6 all i want is to be able to output video to the second device (tv) in full screen. i was advised i need not set this device up as another screen, though I am unfamiliar with how else to set it up. any ideas? [03:39] saintly: you still there? [04:02] hello [04:03] can someone help me with the 'no sound in browser' issue? === ybit3 is now known as ybit === ybit is now known as ybit3 === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [04:31] I have a logitech m705 mouse which has a thumb button that I'd like to map to the kwin present windows function. Anyone know how I would do this? As far as I can tell my system doesn't even realize this button exists. [04:35] can anyone tell me what I might do to restore my audio, which just "suddenly" disappeared? [04:35] My system sounds work (i.e., the login sounds) [04:35] but things like youtube and pandora are silent [04:36] and my sound recorder [04:36] everything looks fine in alsamixer [04:36] and I've got the volume turned up [04:37] Is PCM muted or turned down in the mixer? [04:37] I had to install padevchooser to get my sound working === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:56] Hi [05:11] What in [insert impolite word here] is Akonadi, and why does KDE4 hate me so much!???? === fernando is now known as Guest19085 [05:16] hey frenando\ === Guest19085 is now known as keno [05:17] i need some help in trying to access a specific room and I am new to this IRC client [05:17] can someone please help me figure this out? [05:22] can someonme please help me figure out how to fimd a specific room??? [05:27] is it safe to use the fglrx driver now? [05:29] i was able to get one of my pc's audio working. but the same fix doesn't work on my laptop. can someone help me get audio working? KDE SC 4.4.2, Dell Latitude e6500 [05:33] ok, is it possible to completely remove pulseaudio? would i need to replace it with anything? [05:40] need help. What is the reason for the error message "Akonadi control process not registered at D-Bus."? Do I just type "sudo akonadi" to start it, or what? [05:42] goodmorning all [05:55] ok apparently 10.04 is published today [05:56] I'm running 9.04 64 and win7 32 on dual-boot, wonder if apt-get dist-upgrade will leave things working or whether I'll just be shooting myself in my leg [05:56] i`m running 10.04 [05:56] beta 2 [05:57] *s/9.04/9.10 === anurag is now known as jdk2588 [06:12] any one who has the random paste problem with middle mouse? === anurag is now known as jdk2588 [06:33] can i get support for kubuntu netbook remix here? [06:41] Hi! I am switching to KDE4 and have a question. [06:43] looking forward to lucid.. [06:43] kwtm: feel free to ask :) [06:44] rww: Thanks! What is akonadi, and how can I make it stop making my KMail crash? [06:45] kwtm: It's the storage backend database thing in KDE. Do you have a bug report or error message or something for the crash? [06:46] rww: Yes, it's in http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/w11EvAEc [06:47] rww: It says something about Akonadi couldn't connect to the DBus or something. So, this KMail thing is humming along nicely, able to retrieve email, etc. then suddenl BAM! Akonadi is throwing a temper tantrum so KMail decides it can't live without Akonadi, and packs up and leaves. [06:48] rww: I'm still looking for where to modify the KDE4 setting for "Make User Miserable". [06:48] im running kubuntu 9.10 and i wanna setup dual lcds i have one plugged into the onboard intel card [06:48] the other is plugged into a nvitia card [06:50] kwtm: Looks like the actual errors start at line 286. I'm guessing there might be a problem with your /home/kwtm1/.local/share/akonadi/ directory, like incorrect permissions or something. [06:50] rww: Will check. Thx. [06:54] rww: I think that's the key. I symlinked it to an already existent KDE3 directory, so I'll create a new directory. [06:57] rww: help! What the heck is this? ""akonadiserver" crashed too often and will not be restarted!" [06:57] Does that mean akonadiserver has gotten too impatient with my bumbling and will no longer be nice to me? [06:57] pretty much. I haven't seen that message before :| [06:58] Fer crying out loud. Do I need to reboot this thing, then? I feel like I'm using Windows. [06:58] log out and back in again? iono [06:58] * rww isn't a KDE4 expert :( [06:58] Okay, see you after the reboot. [06:58] * kwtm hates kde4 [06:58] KDE4 hates kwtm, too. [07:02] hmmm [07:02] what is the release party channel ? [07:04] well this is incredible --it still has "akonadi server crashed too often" --I think this is a failsafe loop that prevents akonadi from being restarted 100 times a second, for example. Something's still wrong, rww. [07:04] kwtm: it is. [07:04] It's still showing that it can't create test file, so I'll check that. [07:05] kwtm: here's the troubleshooting guide if you haven't seen it: http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting [07:05] I'm out of my element :( [07:12] Torch: Apparently the guide does not cover my version of the hatred KDE4 has for me. [07:13] Torch: It looks like Akonadi is not starting because MySQL is not starting. It says it's missing a required config file. [07:14] kwtm: i think the guide has that. [07:14] kwtm: also, it's not a KDE4 problem. it's a kubuntu-misconfiguration. [07:15] Torch: Yeah, I figured that. I thought Kubuntu would be at least stable enough to use KMail. Anyway, apparently I have to install the MySQL package, [07:15] kwtm: "DB error: 'Could not open required defaults file: /home/$username/.local/share/akonadi/mysql.conf" -- do you get this? [07:16] Torch: Ah, yes, I was just coming to that --I had been searching for "could not create test file ....$hostname.lower-test" [07:18] Torch: THANK YOU! Akonadi is up and running! You were right --it WAS Kubuntu and the way AppArmor was set up --who would have thunk..... :P [07:19] kwtm: we've all been through that when 4.4 came out... i just uninstalled apparmor, it's not very useful anyway [07:20] Thank you torch. I guess I should get off my butt and file a bug report or something... [07:20] kwtm: not very useful if it's against karmic. [07:20] kwtm: and i do hope the kubuntu guys fixed the setup for lucid [07:21] Torch: I'm using Lucid. [07:21] kwtm: ouch. [07:22] You know, I really really had high hopes for this Operation Timelord. I really really hoped the LTS version of Kubuntu wouldn't suck. I still hope it doesn't. But ... man. [07:22] kwtm: well, the apparmor thing is annoying, but once you've fixed it, it's just gone. [07:22] kwtm: so nothing to worry much about. === avihay__ is now known as avihay [07:23] Yeah.... I actually have to configure two other systems with KDE4 (I've been dragged screaming and kicking from KDE3). Anyway, thanks very much for the pointer. I wouldn't have concentrated on that error message since a whole bunch of other error messages also appeared. [07:24] kwtm: there's no reason to scream and kick when using KDE4 [07:24] kwtm: it's _different_ [07:24] kwtm: but it's also better than KDE3 in many, many ways. [07:24] Torch: That's my complaint: it's *different*, and so all that time I invested in KDE3 is now kaput. I wrote a billion scripts using DCOP which I now have to redo using DBUS. And I can't even remember all the places I've used DCOP. [07:25] kwtm: agreed, if you've done things like that for kde3 it can be painful. [07:25] Torch: I liked Linux because, unlike MS Win, it doesn't FORCE you to upgrade (HA HA Ha Ha ha ha) [07:25] kwtm: but dbus again is a lot better than dcop, so it's also worth it. [07:25] I liked KDE because you can configure it any way you want (HA HA Ha Ha ha ha) [07:26] kwtm: backward compatibility isn't one of the stronger points of the linux ecosystem. that's in fact something where MS shines. [07:26] Torch: I don't mind using DBUS. I just mind having to switch over all of a sudden. No DCOP->DBUS transition? :P [07:26] kwtm: well, that dcop was going to be phased out was first decided i think in 2006 or so... [07:27]