[00:00] <Ken8521_> arctic ape
[00:00] <yofel> ^^
[00:00] <MJEvans> I know there's a list of proper names... Arctic Ape I could buy as being a valid combination from that list.
[00:00] <MJEvans> Zebra may be on the list too, but not the other word.  Maybe Zainy (sp) or something...
[00:01] <bjsnider> there are no apes in the arctic
[00:01] <MJEvans> So what
[00:01] <Ken8521_> i don't think they plan the names very far in advance
[00:01] <MJEvans> Welly ship one up on a boat
[00:01] <virtuald> unless you count humans as apes
[00:01] <Ken8521_> they've not come up w/ a name for 11.04 yet
[00:01] <MJEvans> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
[00:01] <Spreadsheet_> So it would be n
[00:02] <Spreadsheet_> Nauseous Narwhal anyone?
[00:02] <MJEvans> Zany Zebra
[00:02] <MJEvans> Zen Zebu
[00:03] <bjsnider> i hope they name a release after steve monkey boy ballmer
[00:03] <MJEvans> Zesty Zebrafish
[00:03] <MJEvans> It's not monkey
[00:03] <MJEvans> Mavrick Meerkat according to the page
[00:03] <Ken8521_> it's maverick meerkat
[00:04] <MJEvans> So...
[00:04] <virtuald> bjsnider: would that be the crazy chimp release?
[00:04] <MJEvans> freenode/#ubuntu+1(+Ccfntz #ubuntu-unregged) << Does this mean I can stay in here?
[00:04] <Ken8521_> virtuald, lol
[00:04] <Ken8521_> that's a ways off
[00:04] <virtuald> 8]
[00:04] <Ken8521_> for N, im going to propse Nifty Newt
[00:05] <bjsnider> virtuald, yeah they could use ballmer's picture for it
[00:05] <virtuald> hehe
[00:05] <h4writer> wow, 10.04 is realy nice :D
[00:05]  * virtuald plays developers.wav
[00:05] <Ken8521_> Nefarious Nightingale
[00:05] <MJEvans> Ken8521_: that sounds like some kind of Spy's codename
[00:06] <MJEvans> (In other words, awesome)
[00:06] <Ken8521_> MJEvans, lol, which one?
[00:06] <h4writer> one huge thing: restarting and shutting down doesn't work ?!
[00:06] <MJEvans> < Ken8521_> Nefarious Nightingale < MJEvans> Ken8521_: that sounds like some kind of Spy's codename (In other words, awesome)
[00:06] <LinuxGuy2009> h4writer: Are you asking or stating?
[00:06] <Ken8521_> h4writer, there's been some folks w/ issues on that...
[00:06] <h4writer> LinuxGuy2009, stating
[00:06] <h4writer> it doesn't work here
[00:07] <Ken8521_> MJEvans, i kinda like Nifty Newt
[00:07] <LinuxGuy2009> h4writer: Im sure by the time 10.04.1 comes out it will run like a raped ape. ;)
[00:08] <MJEvans> h4writer: What sort of install profile do you have?  Any new/(or really old)/odd hardware?  Any unusual partition layouts or network mounts?
[00:09] <h4writer> MJEvans, I'm using a Aspire 5920G. Nothing that special. I have dual boot with windows, so linux is on second partition sda5 or something
[00:10] <Guest5117> does anyone know how to install enlightenment in Lucid?
[00:10] <h4writer> but I'll try updating first, maybe there is already a fix :D
[00:11] <ZykoticK9> Guest5117, "sudo apt-get install e16" perhaps?  or are you looking for e17? -- haven't used enlightenment myself in years, and never on Ubuntu
[00:11] <Guest5117> ZykoticK9, couldnt find package
[00:11] <yofel> !info e16
[00:12] <MJEvans> h4writer: I too have an Acer Aspire laptop running it.  My issue relates to having multiple _crypt partitions that I need unlocked in the initrd/initramfs, including swap...
[00:12] <yofel> e17 is only available in debian sid as version 0.16.999.063-1
[00:12] <westinghouse> i disabled swarp
[00:12] <snowveil> anyone know how poulsbo support (if any) is in 10.04?
[00:13] <bjsnider> snowveil, no support except vesa
[00:14] <Guest5117> yofel, what does that mean?
[00:14] <yofel> Guest5117: not  available in lucid
[00:14] <yofel> Guest5117: (e17) e16 is there
[00:14] <Ken8521_> MJEvans, i've got an acer aspire, and things are working great here
[00:14] <snowveil> shame :-/
[00:17] <chadi> guys, upgrade or clean install of lucid?
[00:18] <chadi> i have /home on a separate partition
[00:21] <Ken8521_> chadi, whichever you want... we've all heard "Upgrades gone Wrong" stories... so just do whatever you want
[00:21] <crimsun> chadi: clean tends to have fewer residual issues for fairly obvious reasons ;-)
[00:21] <chadi> okay
[00:21] <chadi> i'll go clean
[00:21] <chadi> but I have a question though
[00:22] <chadi> how to I tell the installer to use my old /home ? I've never done that before; is it straightforward?
[00:22] <Ken8521_> never done that either
[00:22] <Hillshum> chadi: Do you have room for a new as well as the old?
[00:22] <Ken8521_> i guess you could copy/paste the old one, over the new one
[00:22] <chadi> Hillshum, not really, I allocated all the space
[00:23] <yofel> pretty much, you need to use manual partitioning, and set it to use the old home as /home and tell it not to format it
[00:23] <jorge> anyone here have any idea why my sound would work on everything EXCEPT for all of my linux games???
[00:23] <jorge> all videos, all youtube, all music, everything, just not games
[00:23] <chadi> yea, i hope it works, i'm gonna backup home anyway
[00:23] <crimsun> jorge: which specific games, i.e., which audio library is used?
[00:24] <jorge> for instance abuse has no sound whatsoever
[00:24] <jorge> nor airstrike
[00:24] <jorge> atomic tanks, bugsquish
[00:24] <crimsun> so, libsdl-based?
[00:24] <jorge> youre probably right, i am new to linux and ubuntu
[00:25] <crimsun> which of libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio, libsdl1.2debian-alsa, or libsdl1.2debian-all do you have installed?
[00:25] <jorge> how can i check?
[00:25] <jorge> i am running a term now
[00:25] <crimsun> dpkg -l libsdl1.2debian\*|grep ^ii
[00:26] <jorge> ii  libsdl1.2debian                      1.2.14-4ubuntu1                                 Simple DirectMedia Layer
[00:26] <jorge> ii  libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio           1.2.14-4ubuntu1                                 Simple DirectMedia Layer (with X11 and Pulse
[00:26] <overmacht> @release
[00:26] <crimsun> jorge: ok, can you get a verbose log, then? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio/Log
[00:27] <jorge> ok
[00:28] <Hillshum> chadi: I have room for two installs, so I can try a beta or something but go back if it breaks
[00:29] <jorge> ok i have tthe log crimsun
[00:29] <chadi> Hillshum: sorry, saw your message after d/cing :P so do you use the same /home for both then?
[00:30] <Hillshum> yup
[00:30] <jorge> want me to email it to you or?
[00:30] <Hillshum> jorge: paste.ubuntu.com
[00:31] <jorge> ok
[00:31] <jorge> crimsun:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/424293/
[00:32] <box> gvfs or something appears to be broken on my ubuntu, upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04. whenever i try to open an sftp:// or ftp:// location, anything other than a regular folder, i get "The specified location is not supported". And the only type in Connect to server... is "Custom Location". looks like i don't have protocol support? Worked before upgrade.
[00:37] <jorge> crimsun: that was attempting to play abuse
[00:37] <Random832> has anyone else had problems with screen flashing after resuming suspend on an i915?
[00:38] <lucas-arg> how do i change plymouth theme?
[00:40] <FGTrooper> I loss the name of the chat of lucid party, can someone give me please ?!?
[00:41] <Ken8521_> !party > FGTrooper
[00:41] <arand> FGTrooper: #ubuntu-release-party ?
[00:41] <FGTrooper> Thank ! ^_^
[00:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Oh boy, a party!
[00:42] <Ken8521_> lol
[00:42] <crimsun> jorge: can your pastebin your /proc/cpuinfo, please?
[00:43] <jorge> ok
[00:43] <Random832> is there a way to like, kill RANDR dead? i'm convinced resolution switching is the cause of these screen flashing problems
[00:44] <Random832> i never switch resolutions so if i could just disable it entirely
[00:44] <crimsun> randr is an extension; I'm unsure why you would want to "kill" it.
[00:44] <jorge> crimsun: how do i gett hat again?
[00:45] <crimsun> jorge: cat /proc/cpuinfo |pastebinit
[00:45] <jorge> ok
[00:45] <jorge> thank you.
[00:46] <jorge> crimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424299/
[00:46] <pcrov> speaking of resolution - how can i change my virtual console resolution now with grub 2?
[00:47] <samsonite> hey all
[00:48] <samsonite> i have the age old question... fresh install of 10.4 or upgrade?
[00:49] <dagny_ta1gart> samsonite: if you have /home on a seperate partition I say fresh install
[00:49] <crimsun> jorge: are you able to switch back to the desktop while abuse is running? If so, please first install pavucontrol, then start abuse, then switch back to the desktop, then see which device is being used for output.
[00:50] <samsonite> dagny_ta1gart yeah unfortunatly i didnt pretition that way
[00:50] <Hardwire03> hi
[00:50] <samsonite> partition*
[00:50] <samsonite> dagny_ta1gart is it possible to partition the disk and move the mount point?
[00:51] <Hardwire03> can someone help me
[00:52] <dagny_ta1gart> samsonite: i think if you repartition the disk you will lose data.  you may be able to resize a partition
[00:53] <Hardwire03> Anyone know if Ubuntu 9.10 or 10.4 support ( Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio VARPAK 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Express x1 Interface Sound Card )
[00:53] <samsonite> dagny_ta1gart yeah im thinking resize, add a partition, copy /home there, and then reinstall and use the new partition as the mount point
[00:53] <samsonite> for /home
[00:53] <jbuncher> This may be nit-picking, but please, it's 10.04, not 10.4
[00:53] <Pici> 10-4 good buddy
[00:53] <crimsun> Hardwire03: not well. The driver is very crude currently because of lack of Free specs.
[00:55] <jorge> crimsun switch back to the desktop? you mean minimise abuse?
[00:55] <crimsun> jorge: sure
[00:55] <felon> seriously tho
[00:55] <jorge> yes i can do that
[00:55] <felon> when is 10.04 supose to come out
[00:55] <crimsun> Hardwire03: also, please don't send me private queries; it tends to end up in my killfile.
[00:55] <Pici> !isitout > jorge
[00:55] <bjsnider> more sound cards should be pci-x1. at least creative did that right
[00:55] <felon> in witch time zone does it release at
[00:56] <Pici> !isitout
[00:56] <Pici> felon: all time-zones, at once.
[00:56] <jorge> ok i will install pavucontrol
[00:57] <jorge> pavucontrol is already the newest version.
[00:57] <jorge> so what do i need to do?
[00:58] <jorge> wow
[00:58] <samsonite> ugh i want to upgrade tomorrow but i dont want to deal with re-setting up everything
[00:58] <jorge> i just tried to run pavucontrol and got this error
[00:58] <jorge> connection failed: connection refused
[00:58] <Volkodav> yofel: I got a reply from Kingston on TRIM and why we did not see zeroes on that test
[00:59] <yofel> oh?
[00:59] <fabiobik> hello
[01:00] <fabiobik> ive upate to 10.04
[01:00] <fabiobik> and now its not working
[01:00] <arand> fabiobik: Define "not working"
[01:00] <Volkodav> he said that the controller does not erase blocks right away - they utilize their garbage collector and then at some point TRIM is triggered
[01:00] <crimsun> jorge: remember to remove ~/.pulse/client.conf
[01:00] <fabiobik> not appears the login screen
[01:00] <crimsun> jorge: it looks like you forgot to undo the changes ;-)
[01:00] <fabiobik> the pc continue rebooting
[01:01] <samsonite> fabiobik use the live cd to recover your data
[01:01] <fabiobik> how?
[01:01] <samsonite> boot from the disk, then backup your data
[01:01] <felon> Pici : ok then what time
[01:01] <samsonite> then you can safely reinstall
[01:01] <felon> midnight ?
[01:01] <Pici> felon: When its done
[01:01] <fabiobik> the version installed after de upgrade is 9.10
[01:02] <samsonite> ??
[01:02] <bjsnider> Volkodav, you running ubuntu off an ssd?
[01:02] <fabiobik> the version installed before de upgrade is 9.10
[01:02] <fabiobik> :D
[01:02] <Volkodav> yes
[01:02] <yofel> Volkodav: ah, that sould make a bit more sense indeed
[01:02] <fabiobik> so burn live cd and i have the option to recover?
[01:02] <arand> fabiobik: Do you get to the grub bootmenu?
[01:02] <bjsnider> Volkodav, does it have 4k sectors?
[01:02] <fabiobik> arand yes
[01:03] <jorge> ok i deleted it
[01:03] <Volkodav> bjsnider: you can allign it as you wish
[01:03] <crimsun> jorge: if it turns out that libsdl-based games are playing to the wrong device or the volume is set to zero, you can change that in pavucontrol. Also, try export PULSE_NO_SIMD=1 in your ~/.bashrc, logout and login.
[01:03] <mikelifeguard> Will Lucid still have the min/max/exit buttons at the left?
[01:03] <felon> its done already
[01:03] <crimsun> jorge: I need to catch a train
[01:03] <felon> you just dont know it
[01:04] <fabiobik> arand yes the boot menu appears
[01:04] <arand> fabiobik: And if you select "recovery mode" there is it able to boot?
[01:04] <fabiobik> arand no still not bot the pc restart
[01:05] <bjsnider> Volkodav, how do you figure that?
[01:05] <DasEi> mikelifeguard: yes, but can change it back
[01:05] <fabiobik> arand so to downgrade or not loose any personal data how to ?
[01:05] <DasEi> !buttons | mikelifeguard
[01:06] <DasEi> ..wrong trigger
[01:06] <mikelifeguard> np, I can find it
[01:06] <DasEi> :)
[01:06] <mikelifeguard> I just thought it might not have been kept in the final release of an LTS
[01:06]  * mikelifeguard shrugdances
[01:07] <arand> fabiobik: Hmm, if you just need to get to the data on the disk, you can get a liveCD and boot from that, and you ahould be able to get to the data on the disk using that.
[01:07] <fabiobik> arand i want to restore
[01:07] <fabiobik> arand i want to put like before the upgrade
[01:08] <fabiobik> without looses
[01:08] <Volkodav> bjsnider: http://www.nuclex.org/blog/personal/80-aligning-an-ssd-on-linux%22
[01:10] <fabiobik> its possible to downgrade without loosing data?
[01:10] <arand_> fabiobik: Ubuntu does not support downgrades, your options are to try to fix the issue here with this version, or to backup your personal data and completely reinstall the old version. Basically
[01:11] <fabiobik> arand and how to fix my issue?
[01:11] <fabiobik> :S
[01:13] <fabiobik> media error
[01:13] <fabiobik> :S
[01:13] <fabiobik> autorealocate faild
[01:13] <fabiobik> :S
[01:13] <fabiobik> 1/0
[01:13] <fabiobik> and restart
[01:13] <arand_> fabiobik: I don't know, I'm afraid... When you choose the options from the boot menu, is the reboot instantaneous or does it start to boot the kernel and you see some messages before it reboots?
[01:14] <arand_> fabiobik: is "autorelocate failed" what you see when it fails to boot?
[01:14] <fabiobik> i see messages
[01:14] <fabiobik> arand its the last message i see. after that the pc restart automatic
[01:15] <arand_> fabiobik: Ok, that's at least something to go by with google..
[01:15] <arand_> fabiobik: Have you tried booting older versions of the kernel?
[01:15] <fabiobik> ya
[01:16] <fabiobik> the last one i see the ubuntu logo
[01:16] <fabiobik> i think is the most oldest
[01:17] <fabiobik> but not the login screen
[01:18] <fabiobik> 2.6.28.16
[01:20] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[01:20] <arand_> fabiobik: Hmm, the reallocation error seems like read errors, which is _bad_ I would go with a liveCD and try to backup important data first of all.
[01:21] <arand_> fabiobik: Truth is, I'm clueless as to what the problem/solution is...
[01:21] <Antiga> I'm having an Issue with the fan on my laptop W7Sg Asus. It runs at a constant speed (slow) regardless of temp. sensors-detect/ pwmconfig are not doing the trick. Ideas?
[01:21] <Antiga> Nothing in the acpi/fan folder either
[01:21] <bob_k> Question about 10.04 and Ruby and RubyGems:
[01:22] <bob_k> 'gem list --local' produces an empty list, but 'sudo gem list --local' does not.  Why?
[01:23] <fabiobik> arand this is very anoying situation
[01:24] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[01:26] <samsonite> bob_k are you having gem issues after an upgrade or fresh install?
[01:26] <bob_k> samsonite: Fresh install.
[01:27] <samsonite> ok
[01:27] <bob_k> And thank you for responding to me.  I've gotten no help from #ruby nor #rubyonrails today.
[01:27] <samsonite> bob_k honestly i dont have 10.04 yet so im not sure
[01:28] <fabiobik> samsonite
[01:28] <samsonite> what version of ruby and what version gems?
[01:28] <fabiobik> dont doo the upgrade
[01:28] <fabiobik> this upgrade sucks
[01:28] <bob_k> ruby 1.8 (1.8.7.249), and gems 1.3.6
[01:28] <fabiobik> my system not working. even i cant see the login screen
[01:28] <samsonite> fabiobik dude its not out yet
[01:29] <samsonite> fabiobik you must have done the beta or RC?
[01:29] <fabiobik> and now i cand downgrade
[01:29] <fabiobik> cant
[01:30] <samsonite> bob_k hmm im really not sure
[01:30] <samsonite> thats what im running on my mac and its working as expected
[01:31] <bob_k> samsonite: Well darnit... I've tried almost everything I can.  I'm not sure how to continue.
[01:33] <switchgirl> Warning: call to rand()
[01:33] <switchgirl> is a warning i get when i run vlc in terminal
[01:34] <progre55> is it out yet??
[01:34] <progre55> it's the 29th here =)
[01:36] <yofel> !outyet | progre55
[01:36] <progre55> haha =) thanks
[01:40] <CyberKitsune> Is there any way to fix the Plymoth resolution/color depth issue yet?
[01:41] <yofel> CyberKitsune: proprietary driver?
[01:42] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, which one?
[01:43] <CyberKitsune> The one when you update to the nVidia Propietary driver, the color depth and screen res of plymouth reset to the lowest possible.
[01:43] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, plymouth support in nvidia's proprietary driver isn't much of a priority
[01:43] <CyberKitsune> ah
[01:43] <cwillu_at_work> it's trickier than you might think
[01:43] <CyberKitsune> is there an open source alt to the proprietary drivers that isn't half bad?
[01:44] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, yes, it's used by default if you don't have nvidia's driver installed
[01:44] <cwillu_at_work> no 3d acceleration yet though
[01:44] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, -> http://www.netsplit.com/2010/03/30/all-about-kernel-mode-setting/
[01:45] <cwillu_at_work> subtitled: (or why your $500 nVidia card only displays in 16-colors)
[01:45] <BiggFREE> Hi
[01:46] <CyberKitsune> So either pretty bootup or 3D acceleration
[01:46] <fabiobik> how to solve my problem? when i try to boot from the lastest kernel the pc restart. if i try to boot from the oldest version i can see the ubuntu logo but not the login screen!
[01:46] <cwillu_at_work> CyberKitsune, well, you could probably hack usplash back in
[01:46] <fabiobik> ive updated from 9.10 version
[01:46] <BiggFREE> How disable the auto lock of the screen ?
[01:46] <CyberKitsune> It boots too fast anyway =V, who needs a splash at all really
[01:46] <cwillu_at_work> BiggFREE, which, when the screensaver kicks in?  it's under the screensaver settings
[01:47] <BiggFREE> Ok I will check it.  ty
[01:47] <arand> fabiobik: Wht happens if you try to boot the recovery version of the old kernel?
[01:47] <BiggFREE> Yes Every 30 seconds
[01:48] <BiggFREE> I need my password
[01:48] <fabiobik> arand let me see
[01:48] <BiggFREE> brb-AFK
[01:51] <BiggFREE> Back
[01:51] <BiggFREE> It is not tick for locking
[01:52] <BiggFREE> It is not the screesaver
[01:52] <BiggFREE> screensaver
[01:53] <fabiobik> arand the recovery version are saying something. i think is about the hard disk
[01:53] <tangodown40> hey guys, i have a small prob with power management
[01:54] <arand> fabiobik: It sounds more and more like hardware failiure, the harddisk having given up...
[01:56] <digifor> What time does Lucid get released?
[01:57] <jpds> !isitout | digifor
[01:58] <digifor> thanks jpds
[02:00] <foxmulder881> I am Linuxless until the release of 10.04. Hurry up already. How long to go?
[02:00] <Pici> !isitout | foxmulder881
[02:00] <foxmulder881> Cheers.
[02:01] <roffe> If I've done a fresh install of Lucid, am I running Nouveau drivers or the blob? and how can I tell?
[02:01] <Pici> roffe: It should say in your xorg log which drivers you are currently using. Likely nouveau, if you haven't touched jockey.
[02:02] <roffe> Pici: ok, thanks. I can't find the xorg log. I tried /etc/X11/xorg.conf but there was no file
[02:03] <Pici> roffe: /var/log/Xorg.0.log (or similar)
[02:04] <roffe> Pici: Thanks. which line says what driver I'm running?
[02:05] <Pici> roffe: It should be listed in one of the LoadModule lines
[02:07] <roffe> Pici: Well, it mentions nouveau on several occasions, so I assume it's running it. And I can't enable "normal" or "extra" visual effects, so I assume that's due to nouveau
[02:08] <Pici> roffe: I'd guess, but I don't really have any experience with nouveu.
[02:08] <milo4> hello dose anyone know much about mysql server
[02:08] <roffe> Pici: ok, ATI? :)
[02:08] <rmrfslash> Is anyone else having issues w/ suspend-to-ram?
[02:09] <Pici> roffe: Yeah.  One computer using fglrx and the other using the open source driver.
[02:09] <kevin009> if we remove pulseaudio from 10.4, does the volume control break?
[02:09] <rmrfslash> in that it just does a screen lock?
[02:10] <gaysquirrel> how do some people have 10.04 alrady>
[02:10] <crdlb> kevin009: the indicator applet one? I'd expect it to
[02:10] <milo4> there probly beta testers
[02:11] <kevin009> yeah i had to use a ppa to fix that in 9.10, so i guess i can't upgrade until that is worked around again
[02:11] <milo4> can someone help me with a small problem i have ran in to ?
[02:11] <gaysquirrel> should I upgrade when it is released
[02:11] <gaysquirrel> or fresh install?
[02:12] <crdlb> kevin009: indicator-sound has a hard dependency on pulseaudio
[02:12] <gaysquirrel> its on my main work terminal so I would RATHER upgrade, but i need stability
[02:12] <kevin009> the one i typically use is the volume control applet
[02:13] <crdlb> well, lucid uses the new indicator one by default
[02:14] <virtuald> rmrfslash: suspend issues are very hardware specific. file a bug (run ubuntu-bug linux)
[02:14] <rmrfslash> yeah, I did that
[02:14] <virtuald> :>
[02:14] <rmrfslash> actually, that reminds me I need to collect all kinds of friggin data
[02:15] <rmrfslash> got an automated message
[02:15] <virtuald> what's the bug number?
[02:15] <virtuald> or link
[02:15] <rmrfslash> "run this, run that, run this thing, run that thing, download and install the mainline kernel and try it... etc"
[02:15] <rmrfslash> mmmmmm
[02:15] <rmrfslash> lemme grab it
[02:15] <rmrfslash> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/569624
[02:16] <virtuald> yes that's debugging, the only way to solve these bugs
[02:16]  * meowbuntu reverts from ubuntu 9.10 back to ubuntu 8.0 lts its easier and works better on my os 
[02:16] <rmrfslash> :)
[02:16] <meowbuntu> for older machines ubuntu should look at keeping ubuntu 8.0 lts supported officially forever
[02:16] <woodyjlw> will I be able to download 10.04 after midnight tonight?  I am so pleased with 10.04 I want to try it on my desktop now
[02:17] <GSF1200S> does anyone know when 10.04 is going to be released (time approx)? Im trying to get the ISOs right away so I can seed them
[02:17] <GSF1200S> I already have it installed..
[02:17] <meowbuntu> 8.0 os more stable on my p4 with 768 mb ram
[02:18] <rmrfslash> I don't seem to even have a swap partition.
[02:18] <Antiga> Having an issue with 10.4 recognizing my fan, sensors-detect isn't yielding anything. Fan stays at a constant/slow speed that is not sufficient. acpi/fan etc nothing in that folder. Looking at modprobe stuff? really lost? somewhat new to ubuntu. Any help would be wonderful!
[02:19] <gaysquirrel> 9.10 is pretty damn stable on this celeron with 768 megs
[02:19] <gaysquirrel> compiz, too
[02:19] <virtuald> rmrfslash: where are you looking?
[02:19] <rmrfslash> df -k
[02:19] <meowbuntu> gaysquirrel, every computer is different
[02:19] <GSF1200S> Antiga: had a similar issue- I recommend downloading the lm-sensors source from their webpage
[02:19] <virtuald> rmrfslash: swap is not a file system and therefore does not show
[02:20] <rmrfslash> oh
[02:20] <virtuald> rmrfslash: the free commanand shows it
[02:20] <rmrfslash> I need to check the dize of my swap partition
[02:20] <Antiga> GSF: lm-sensors runs sensors-detect?
[02:20] <woodyjlw> GSF1200S,  you already have it installed?  the alpha ver ? or the final?
[02:21] <rmrfslash> apparently I have 11 GB of swap
[02:21] <rmrfslash> wowzie
[02:21] <rmrfslash> I think I have 4 GB of physical mem
[02:21] <virtuald> hehe
[02:22] <GSF1200S> woodyjlw: apologies for the confusion- I installed the release candidate and have kept it up to date. It is not a "stable version" yet, but its working fine and im not gonna reinstall
[02:22] <virtuald> the auto partitioning option is a little greedy
[02:22] <GSF1200S> im just gonna update in a few days
[02:22] <switchgirl> !hammertime
[02:22] <virtuald> switchgirl: STOP! Hammertime!
[02:22] <vernr> will fluxbuntu come out as a subdistro with this?
[02:22] <switchgirl> !STOP
[02:22] <GSF1200S> I think its safe to say that downloading updates will be a bad idea for the next few days
[02:22] <switchgirl> !Hammertime
[02:23] <switchgirl> !Hammershmit
[02:23] <vernr> what is hammer time?
[02:23] <virtuald> switchgirl: stop! collaborate and listen..yadda yadda
[02:23] <vernr> hello?
[02:23] <woodyjlw> GSF1200S,  oh thats cool I am running the same and it is great! this is best performing linux I have had on this 64 bit laptop but I want to try the final as soon as it becomes available lol....like a kid in the candy store :)
[02:24] <vernr> will fluxbuntu come out as a subdistro with this?
[02:25] <vernr> it only takes up less than 170 mb
[02:25] <GSF1200S> woodyjlw: :) I here you.. If you can maybe on a second computer, try to seed the install ISO's (bittorrent) because the mirrors are going to be slammed and slow.. Torrent will be the best way to get the ISO's
[02:25] <GSF1200S> thats what im trying to do
[02:25] <virtuald> vernr: it's something from an mc hammer song "you can't touch this"
[02:25] <vernr> why is she talking about it in a support channel?
[02:26] <GSF1200S> works great here as well, except my monitors shut off if X isnt loaded. Seems like a framebuffer issue, but nothing ive tried fixes it- prolly due in large part to my nvidia card..
[02:26] <woodyjlw> GSF1200S,  yes I will use torrent and seed it for as long as I can. was just hoping I could find it tonight before it gets real late
[02:27] <vernr> no one wants to talk about fluxbuntu
[02:27] <GSF1200S> yeah, me too.. im not sleeping until its released and im seeding ;)
[02:27] <GSF1200S> so the earlier it comes out, the more sleep I get
[02:28] <GSF1200S> vernr: fluxbuntu is pretty nice- I run it in virtual, although admittedly im still using 9.04.. need to upgrade
[02:28] <westinghouse> fluxbuntu is the bttf version?
[02:30] <vernr> GSF1200S, could you tell me where i can find network manager and the system notification area in fluxbuntu?
[02:30] <tonyyarusso> um, how do I disable the login sound?  (without disabling sounds once I'm all logged in and ready to go)
[02:30] <djbeenie> has anyone used vmware workstation in 10.4 yet?
[02:30] <trism> tonyyarusso: the sound before or after login?
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> trism: uh, during, although I suppose it's what you mean by after.  While the desktop is loading, not at GDM.
[02:31] <trism> tonyyarusso: well, the sound before is System/Administration/Login Screen, the sound after is System/Preferences/Startup Applications, Gnome login sound
[02:31] <coachj> if i have 10.4 beta 1 installed will updating bring the install up to the 10.4 LTS?
[02:31] <GSF1200S> vernr: no, im sorry I cant.. I dont have a network manager- it just connects via CLI to ethernet which is how an OS gets inet from the host on a virtual machine. Do you have network manager installed? try typing nm-applet in a terminal and see what it says
[02:31] <tonyyarusso> trism: Startup Applications eh?  Yeah, never would have thought to look there.
[02:32] <tonyyarusso> trism: Thanks a million - now I can stop getting awkward stares in class.
[02:32] <trism> tonyyarusso: yeah, spent a while searching for it the other day
[02:32] <woodyjlw> the open source ati driver for my laptop is MUCH! better on 10.04  now and I can see much better 3d support and my suspend and wake work perfect.   ati 200m on all other ubuntu ver. would lock the keyboard and mouse on wake most of the time and I have had the test ver of 10.04 for a month now and it has not done it once on me. only prob is my blue-tooth will not reconnect to mouse from wake or restart and I have to make it visible
[02:32] <woodyjlw>  every time.
[02:33] <GSF1200S> vernr: if not, you can install network manager, ensure the panel you are running has a systray (which fluxbuntu does by default) and run nm-applet in a terminal. you can create a script to launch nm-applet on fluxbox's start, which will make this automatic
[02:33] <vernr> GSF1200S, it starts gnome network manager. is there a way to run it without leaving a terminal window open?
[02:35] <GSF1200S> vernr: yes, use "Run Command" in the flux menu and type nm-applet there
[02:35] <GSF1200S> CLOSE the terminal first
[02:35] <GSF1200S> As I said, to make this automatic, you can create a script and have it autoload at fluxbox startup
[02:36] <GSF1200S> its very easy to make such a script: #!/bin/bash     as the first line,  nm-applet        as the second line, save, make executable, and then link to the script
[02:37] <woodyjlw> anyone know the best torrent site to find 10.04 when it dose come out?
[02:38] <alex87> woodyjlw, i think the torrent is available from ubuntu.com
[02:39] <woodyjlw> alex87,  ok thanks :)
[02:39] <alex87> np
[02:41] <td123> so, when is lynx coming out?
[02:42] <arand> !outyet | td123
[02:43] <alex87> what time is it over in the US?
[02:44] <td123> alex87: 20:44 central
[02:44] <alex87> ah, so it should be out in the next 27 hours or so?
[02:44] <td123> hopefully :P
[02:44] <gaysquirrel> woooot
[02:44] <gaysquirrel> 27 hours!
[02:44] <td123> although I personally don't use ubuntu :P
[02:46] <alex87> td123, haha, then why are you here?
[02:47] <meowbuntu> hi all when does official support frun out for ubuntu 8.0 lts i cnt find any info
[02:47] <meowbuntu> td123, then y come here
[02:50] <td123> because I like to check out what ubuntu comes out with :)
[02:50] <td123> curiousity is all
[02:50] <coachj> will an updated 10.4 beta 1 by current with the 10.4 LTS coming tomorrow?
[02:50] <td123> coachj: just do a fresh install
[02:50] <arand> td123: It's social networking galore this release, imo.
[02:51] <arand> !final | coachj
[02:51] <TerminX> sure, why not, it's not like a reinstall is going to give you packages that aren't in the repositories
[02:51] <Losha> meowbuntu: 8.04 lts desktop should be supported until April 2011
[02:51] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[02:52] <jacobuntu> it's that time of year again
[02:52] <arand> td123 coachj: If there are no problems, a fresh install is kind of pointless...
[02:52] <coachj> ok thks
[02:52] <rmrfslash> All right, I just added a bunch of stuff to my bug report
[02:52] <jacobuntu> im on beta 2 still how do i upgrade to RC
[02:52] <TerminX> lucid was finally what murdered my 8 year old install though (had installed debian in 2002 and switched to ubuntu via dist-upgrade when things were first forked)
[02:52] <jacobuntu> or do i not do that
[02:52] <rmrfslash> hopefully this can be solved. too bad too because everything was working great under 9.10
[02:52] <meowbuntu> Losha, REALLY I THOUGHT IT WAS SUPPORTED TILL TEH NEXT LTS CAME OUT
[02:52] <jacobuntu> My OCD won't let me just upgrade, I fresh install baby
[02:52] <rmrfslash> now all of a sudden suspend is done broked
[02:53] <jacobuntu> !intrepid
[02:53] <jacobuntu> oops
[02:53] <jacobuntu> !heron
[02:53] <gaysquirrel> jacobuntu, im contemplationg
[02:53] <gaysquirrel> i dopnt know if i wanna go through the hassel of a fresh install
[02:53] <gaysquirrel> i have my dev stuff set up the way i want
[02:53] <Losha> meowbuntu: http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-8.04-lts-desktop "....those who prefer longer deployment cycles can stay with Ubuntu 8.04 for three years before moving to the next LTS release...."
[02:54] <Nonpython> Ubuntu is freezing on boot with 5 red orbs.
[02:54] <jacobuntu> (meowbuntu quit)
[02:55] <MagicFab> I am sharing my Ubuntu Manual copy here, if anyone cares: http://ubuntuone.com/p/1Jh/
[02:55] <arand> MagicFab: Um, diff from official release?
[02:56] <rmrfslash> !jaunty
[02:56] <coachj> MagicFab: nice thks
[02:57] <MagicFab> arand, no, but the official release is getting hammered - no torrent in sight
[02:57] <arand> MagicFab: Ah, true that.
[02:59] <johanbr> Hi. Does anyone else have broken sound with the -21 kernel? (in particular, on an HP laptop)
[02:59] <johanbr> -19 works fine
[02:59] <crimsun> johanbr: you should know better ;-)  Where's your debugging info?
[03:00] <johanbr> crimsun, :) unfortunately I don't have that readily available atm
[03:00] <johanbr> it's my girlfriend's laptop... just thought I'd ask if anyone else had seen the problem
[03:01] <lastelement0> hey all, i'm having issues with my internet connection. i never get disconnected, but throughout downloading, it will just stop, and the download stalls. then randomly it will pick back up again. anyone know why?
[03:01] <arand> Nonpython: try to boot with the kernel option   nomodeset
[03:01] <johanbr> lastelement0, wired or wireless connection? and which network card?
[03:02] <lastelement0> johanbr: wired RTL8111/8168B PCI Express Gigabit Ethernet controller (rev 01)
[03:02] <pcrov> johanbr: sound is working fine on my hp laptop with -21
[03:02] <Nonpython> how do I do that? (I am not a n00b, and in fact have made my own distro in the past, ubuntu's new boot thing is fracking weird)
[03:02] <crimsun> johanbr: without that info, you're really shooting in the dark.
[03:03] <FFForever> Hi
[03:03] <FFForever> Anyone else having an issue browsing the network location?
[03:04] <eurythmia> I used add-apt-repository to add the gnome2-globalmenu/ppa, but it installed with the Lucid repo (which doesn't exist) ... how would I fully clean out this repository so that I can "start from scratch" as it were?
[03:04] <johanbr> crimsun, yep, I know... I'll see if I can ssh to her machine and get the debugging info
[03:04] <FFForever> I get an error saying Nautilus cannot handle network locations
[03:04] <johanbr> pcrov, alright, thank you
[03:04] <crimsun> pcrov: unfortunately it's so audio hw-specific that your case probably isn't at all relevant
[03:05] <pcrov> i know, crimsun. just answering the question given.
[03:06] <Nonpython> How do I pass kernel options to Lucid?
[03:06] <johanbr> lastelement0, no experience with that one, but looks like others have the same problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/system76/+bug/565787
[03:07] <Nonpython> (I don't like this new boot thing at all)
[03:07] <crimsun> Nonpython: the same way you did before.
[03:07] <Nonpython> Huh>
[03:07] <Nonpython> Huh?
[03:07] <crimsun> Nonpython: press Shift during the grub2 init, edit the kernel command line, choose boot.
[03:07] <cornwalldfgdfggg> Nonpython: Lots of people don't. Just be glad you can boot! :)
[03:07] <lastelement0> johanbr hmmm not entirely the same but thanks
[03:08] <Nonpython> I went straight from intrepid to Lucid, due to hardware that hates me.
[03:09] <pcrov> Nonpython: see /etc/defaults/grub and /etc/grub.d/ if you want to tweak things more permanently
[03:09] <Nonpython> cool
[03:10] <Wicked> hmm.. cannot get ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-amd64.iso to boot for me...it gets to where it looks like its gonna load the desktop but then just stops and said it couldnt start...but it would start the desktop so i could see what was wrong....but then it just shuts the computer down
[03:10] <arand> Nonpython: edit the boot line in the grub menu
[03:11] <Nonpython> kk
[03:11] <Nonpython> It did boot in the past, it stopped working when I set up my wireless mouse.
[03:12] <Nonpython> (nomodeset did not help.
[03:13] <Fudge> hi my logitech usb microphone detected fine in beta but not in rc2, how can i check to see what could be wrong?
[03:16] <Wicked> yea... 10.04 rc livecd will not boot for me.
[03:17] <Wicked> hope it gets fixed by tomorrow
[03:19] <Nonpython> I resorted to burning a -desktop cd and removing my change.
[03:26] <wick94> guys will ubuntu 10.04 be available today at midnight?
[03:28] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: Probably not
[03:28] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: it will be released when it's ready
[03:28] <wick94> and thts on april 30th
[03:28] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: but it will be on the 29th. It may be tomorrow night, depending on where you are in the world
[03:29] <wick94> oh wats their time zone
[03:29] <Losha> cornwalldfgdfggg: actually, it will be released *before* it's ready, if the other releases are any guide....
[03:29] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: Hardy released on Midnight for me, Karmic released in the afternoon for me
[03:30] <wick94> ok
[03:30] <lastelement0> hey johanbr, it actually did solve my problem lol... go figure. thanks again
[03:30] <cornwalldfgdfggg> wick94: dunno their time zone, it's in Europe
[03:30] <wick94> bt wat time zone does canonical follow
[03:30] <johanbr> lastelement0, great! you're welcome
[03:30] <wick94> do u knw the country
[03:32] <Waistless> hi, I'm using an Ati 3850, and when I try installing fglrx, on boot the xorg.0.log throws up "undefined symbol ResVgaShared" and it fails to load fglrx. Is there any solution?
[03:36] <Blue11> does this channel become #ubuntu at midnight?
[03:36] <arand> Blue11: Some short time after release it will be closed, yep.
[03:36] <Blue11> kewl
[03:37] <Blue11> many bugs remain
[03:41] <tonyyarusso> Blue11: when it's released yes, but that will not be at midnight
[03:42] <arand> Blue11: Many bugs _always_ remain :(
[03:44] <ircuser> When is the Final Release supposed to be there?
[03:45] <Waistless> has anyone tried the official fglrx 10.4 (from ati website)? do they work ok with lucid?
[03:45] <Blue11> Waistless: what is it?
[03:46] <Waistless> well as I posted earlier, I'm getting an error with the fglrx drivers in the lucid repo, so I was wandering if they worked
[03:46] <Blue11> Waistless: I am running the stock ati driver
[03:46] <arand> ircuser: No fixed time
[03:46] <Waistless> oh, you joined before that post.. the driver in lucid repo, when I boot gives an error "undefined symbol resVgaShared" and doesnt load
[03:47] <ircuser> arand: oh. I've been waiting since midnight.. I don't want to try Beta or RC
[03:47] <Blue11> Waistless: i thought all ati drivers (for linux) were in legacy mode
[03:47] <ircuser> I will waioy a bit more
[03:48] <Waistless> blue11: what do you mean? I was under the assumption that ubuntu always got pre-release drivers so that they would work upon release (ati treats them special :P )
[03:48] <Blue11> Waistless: i mean that ati doesn't maintian the driver, and depends on the distributor to solve any issues
[03:50] <Waistless> oh, I mean the fglrx driver in the lucid repo, i know ati doesnt maintain radeon or radeonhd
[03:51] <Blue11> Waistless: yp...I have an old radeon that suxeth
[03:51] <Freeaqingme_> are there ubuntu developers in here?
[03:51] <Blue11> hellifino
[03:52] <Waistless> well mine's an ati 3850 (sort of old), last release of ubuntu (9.10) gives me a black screen regardless of fglrx version. anyway Ill try fglrx from the ati website now anyway, ubuntu early look support looks promising...
[03:53] <crdlb> Waistless: I think the driver in the repo is indeed newer than the official release
[03:53] <Flynsarmy> 10.04 comes otu today (29th) ?
[03:53] <crdlb> Waistless: and from what I've heard, 10.4 does not work on lucid
[03:54] <Waistless> crdlb: are you sure about that? official 10.4 was just recently released
[03:55] <Waistless> and the fglrx in the lucid repo was around before then
[03:55] <crdlb> let's see
[03:57] <crdlb> Waistless: it seems I was mistaken
[03:58] <ArtVandalae> Hello all... is it still the 28th in the US (east coast/west coast?)
[03:58] <arand> !party | ArtVandalae
[03:58] <ArtVandalae> arand, thanks
[04:00] <Waistless> oh, umm.. xulrunner isn't compatible with firefox... somethings not right
[04:02] <Waistless> why doesnt lucid get firefox 3.6?
[04:03] <crimsun> Waistless: eh? It has 3.6.3.
[04:04] <Waistless> strange.. i'm using lucid repos... firefox-3.6 doesn't show up
[04:04] <crimsun> that's b/c it's 'firefox'
[04:04] <Waistless> hmm.. well the firefox package shows up as 3.5.5+nobinonly-0ubuntu2
[04:05] <Waistless> no upgrades.. i know im using the lucid repo
[04:05] <crimsun> your cache is broken?
[04:05] <crimsun> apt-cache policy firefox
[04:06] <Waistless> apt-get update apt-cache policy firefox only 3.5.5 shows up. the mirror im using probably hates me..
[04:07] <crimsun> Waistless: http://pastebin.com/DUSehL5i
[04:07] <Waistless> well you're using ppa launchpad.. arent they more up to date always?
[04:07] <crimsun> Waistless: read the second candidate
[04:08] <crimsun> line 8
[04:08] <Waistless> i guess my mirrors horribly outdated :(
[04:08] <Random832> anyone know how to completely disable KMS on intel video? or completely disable putting the display to sleep? they're interacting badly
[04:10] <abhijain> is ubuntu 10.4 is final released?
[04:11] <abhijain> need a best download link . confused with alpha1 and beta
[04:12] <arand> !outyet | abhijain
[04:12] <abhijain> ubottu: thnaku
[04:15] <Random832> well that did SOMETHING at least
[04:15] <Random832> time will tell i suppose
[04:17] <bp0> ho to prevent the flash movie from exiting fullscreen mode when i push the volume buttons
[04:18] <bp0> i dont care so much about those stupid bubbles, if i could turn them all off that would be fine
[04:18] <gaysquirrel> have lynx been released yet?
[04:18] <crimsun> ...
[04:18] <crimsun> you'll have been kicked from the channel when it has been released. So, no.
[04:18] <gaysquirrel> whats that supposed to mean
[04:19] <crimsun> when 10.04 LTS releases, this channel is no longer the Ubuntu+1 support channel.
[04:19] <gaysquirrel> oh okay i though that was an insult of some sort
[04:19] <crimsun> hah
[04:19] <StormMage> is that at midnight or when?
[04:19] <crimsun> it's when you stop asking plus X hours
[04:19] <crimsun> ;-)
[04:20] <gaysquirrel> thats not nice!
[04:20] <crimsun> seriously, none of us really know.
[04:20] <gaysquirrel> thats better ;)
[04:20] <StormMage> lol
[04:20] <StormMage> ok
[04:20] <crimsun> if you want the final images, it's a good idea to zsync the current ones.
[04:21] <StormMage> i am just trying to figure out if i will have time to dl and burn it off before running to class
[04:21] <gaysquirrel> why not just do an apt get and update it
[04:22] <crimsun> BTW, if you don't have lucid-security, lucid-updates, and lucid-proposed enabled, now would be a *really* wise time to do so.
[04:22] <gaysquirrel> any advice to a noob on how to get said prerequisites
[04:23] <crimsun> meaning the pockets I just mentioned? You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list then update && upgrade, or you can use Software Sources
[04:24] <gaysquirrel> amd whats the purpose of getting them
[04:26] <crimsun> to get them before the mirrors are slammed
[04:26] <jzacsh> so uh.. i'm sure this is the main que. ppl are asking -- but what time will the new release be available?
[04:26] <DanaG> argh, firefox segfaults when I try to add the security device /usr/lib/pkcs11/libopencryptoki.so
[04:26] <fauzy> hi
[04:27] <crimsun> jzacsh: 23:20 < crimsun> seriously, none of us really know.
[04:27] <fauzy> I am wondering if I can just roll 10.04 Lucid Lynx beta by running apt-get upgrade to the LTS
[04:27] <crimsun> and I've been at this since 4.10, so really, none of us know.
[04:27] <fauzy> is that possible?
[04:27] <crimsun> fauzy: yes, you can.
[04:28] <fauzy> crimsun: ty
[04:28] <DanaG> oh, and apport won't let me submit bugs on the ubuntu-mozilla-dailies.
[04:28] <fauzy> so has anyone got a sync sytem setup?
[04:28] <fauzy> Trying to get help running Unison
[04:29] <jzacsh> crimsun: :) i believe you. how does it work? only the lead developers know?
[04:29] <fauzy> I hope they fix the ALPS issue in the LTS
[04:29] <crimsun> jzacsh: no, literally when the major mirrors have synced and the release manager presses the red button on LP.
[04:29] <DShepherd> how do i query what video driver my buntu is using?
[04:30] <bryanr> ok i am here
[04:30] <jzacsh> crimsun: LP?
[04:30] <bryanr> i told ya i would be here for the release
[04:30] <bryanr> only 30 minutes to go
[04:30] <crimsun> jzacsh: Launchpad
[04:30] <jzacsh> crimsun: ah. k, thanks for the info.
[04:30] <crimsun> bryanr: don't hold your breath; it's likely to be a lot longer than 30 minutes.
[04:31] <fauzy> Can I please get some help with something?
[04:31] <bullgard4> What does 'drm mean in »ProcVersionSignature: Ubuntu 2.6.32-21.32-generic 2.6.32.11+drm33.2«? See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/571530/
[04:31] <crimsun> bullgard4: it means the DRM component (for graphics) is from 2.6.33.2
[04:32] <crimsun> bullgard4: if you remember, a decision was made to use 2.6.33's DRM stack instead of 2.6.32's
[04:32] <fauzy> Should I be in another hub to get help?
[04:32] <crimsun> fauzy: don't ask to ask, please
[04:32] <fauzy> ok, so is this the correct hub for technical issues? or is that another hub
[04:33] <fauzy> :-D
[04:33] <crimsun> fauzy: for 10.04 LTS, yes, at least for a few more hours
[04:33] <crimsun> afterward you'll be redirected to #ubuntu
[04:33] <fauzy> ok, I need help with a sync issue.
[04:33] <bullgard4> crimsun: I do not remember. What do the letters 'DRM' stand for in this acronym?
[04:34] <crimsun> direct rendering manager
[04:34] <bp0> what package is the notification bubbles part of so i can report a bug>?
[04:34] <crimsun> bp0: notify-osd
[04:34] <fauzy> rather, I could use some advice as to issues regarding syncin across a network.
[04:34] <bullgard4> crimsun: Thank you very much for your help.
[04:35] <bp0> crimsun, thanks
[04:35] <fauzy> bp0: do the OSD tags fade when moused over then come back?
[04:35] <bp0> bug 571533
[04:36] <bp0> no, but i hate that too
[04:36] <fauzy> weird huh. 8)
[04:37] <bp0> is there a bug for that one
[04:37] <bp0> ill got join it
[04:37] <johnjohn101> is lucid finished officially?
[04:37] <bp0> *go
[04:37] <fauzy> well i tried.
[04:38] <fauzy> happy crackin
[04:38] <crimsun> johnjohn101: "finished"?
[04:42] <Cygnia> Anyone know whether Empathy can do IRC again in Lucid?
[04:43] <crdlb> Cygnia: it can, but it was semi-accidentally hidden
[04:43] <crdlb> Cygnia: you must make an account for some other service (can be gibberish) with the wizard, then you can use the real accounts editor, which contains IRC
[04:44] <Cygnia> crdlb:IRC just isn't in the drop-down, no matter that I create another account first.
[04:46] <almoxarife> never had video flicker before, been seeing it for a few days, anyone else?
[04:47] <crdlb> Cygnia: so when you go to edit->accounts, you don't see a wizard with the header Welcome to Empathy"?"
[04:47] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Yes, Empathy can do IRC in Lucid.
[04:48] <Cygnia> crdlb: Yes I get the wizard. I connected my Facebook chat first, then went back in...
[04:49] <Cygnia> But IRC still isn't part of the list of services.
[04:50] <crdlb> Cygnia: even with facebook chat enabled, you still get the wizard?
[04:50] <Cygnia> crdlb: No, at that point I choose Edit > Accounts. Every other imaginable service is in the dropdown, but not IRC.
[04:51] <crdlb> is telepathy-idle installed?
[04:51] <Cygnia> crdlb: Let me check...
[04:51] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Check to see it the underlying telepathy DEB program package is installed.
[04:52] <bullgard4> s/it/if/
[04:52] <Cygnia> crdlb & bullgard4: Yes telepathy-idle is installed, according to Synaptic.
[04:54] <Cygnia> Should I install either telepathy-core and/or telepathy-gnome? They are not installed.
[04:55] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Yes, please install telepathy-core.
[04:56] <tucemiux_> is it out yet?
[04:56] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Yes, please install telepathy-gnome too.
[04:56] <tucemiux_> it's april 29th in europe, is it not?
[04:57] <bullgard4> tucemiux_: Yes it is.
[04:57] <crdlb> I don't have telepathy-core or telepathy-gnome either
[04:57] <tucemiux_> 3 minutes till april 29th in the east coast
[04:57] <crdlb> and they're in universe, so definitely not required
[04:58] <pcrov> !outyet | tucemiux_
[04:58] <Cygnia> bullgard4: That fixed it. Thank you for your help!
[04:58] <tucemiux_> pcrov, thanks
[04:58] <BiggFREE> Hi
[04:58] <bullgard4> crdlb: But my Ubuntu did install them for me automatically.
[04:58] <BiggFREE> Will it be ready at midnight ?
[04:59] <bullgard4> Cygnia: Enjoy ubuntu!
[04:59] <Cygnia> And you too, crdlb.
[04:59] <BiggFREE> EST ?
[04:59] <Meeko> Have ubuntu put the header on the frontpage (the search-header) the wrong way? :P
[04:59] <tucemiux_> BiggFREE, what are you talking about? it's going to be the 30th in a few hours
[04:59] <johnjohn101> i did the distro upgrade yesterday and got everything back in order. Is there anything I need to do tomorrow?
[05:00] <bullgard4> Meeko: What frontpage do you speak about?
[05:00] <BiggFREE> No It will be 29 here (IN Eastern Canada)
[05:01] <Meeko> bullgard4: The ubuntu custom google-search
[05:01] <BiggFREE> It is 29th now
[05:01] <Meeko> http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[05:01] <BiggFREE> How to get the LST version ?
[05:01] <crdlb> Cygnia: well, that's odd, but I try not to look the gift horse in the mouth :)
[05:03] <johnjohn101> when does this channel officially close?
[05:03] <bullgard4> Meeko: I cannot answer you question. Because I am using a personally customized Google search page.
[05:03] <BiggFREE> It is 29th now
[05:03] <BiggFREE> How to get the LST version ?
[05:04] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: There is none.
[05:04] <Meeko> bullgard4: http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[05:04] <BiggFREE> Why ?
[05:04] <BiggFREE> I got it many days ago.
[05:04] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: You probably meant something else.
[05:05] <BiggFREE> I got the RC one.
[05:05] <BiggFREE> Lucid
[05:05] <BiggFREE> How do I upgrade now ?
[05:06] <bullgard4> BiggFREE: You better wait and see.
[05:06] <BiggFREE> Ok
[05:06] <BiggFREE> :)
[05:10] <BiggFREE> It is not release yet.
[05:10] <BiggFREE> released
[05:10] <Meeko> The ubuntu -way s to wait untill 11:59 on the west side of the international dateline
[05:10] <BiggFREE> ty
[05:11] <BiggFREE> Eastern Canada here
[05:11] <beyondcr> #ubuntu-release-party
[05:11] <BiggFREE> Quebec
[05:11] <BiggFREE> ok
[05:12] <bullgard4> beyondcr: We will celebrate an Ubuntu Release party tomorrow in Berlin, Germany.
[05:13] <beyondcr> lol cool it will be released the same time all around wont it?
[05:13] <donpdonp> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseParties
[05:14] <donpdonp> whoops, thats deprecated now
[05:14] <donpdonp> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/16/detail/
[05:15] <dunas> So Ubuntu One's music store has been stuck on transferring to your ubuntu one storage for about 45 minutes, help
[05:16] <jpds> dunas: #ubuntuone is your friend.
[05:16] <MJEvans> dunas: click the close button and reload after killing it?
[05:17] <MJEvans> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/  << So do only server and alternate ISOs get jigdos?
[05:17] <jpds> MJEvans: jidgo isn't completely supported for ISO images downloads.
[05:19] <MJEvans> Yeah, but jigdo + zsync get me there without downloading shared components at varrying offsets.
[05:22] <MJEvans> jpds: more or less I'm stuck behind a lower end DSL connection, but want to download most of the .isos between release and the launch party so I can burn a few copies of everything.
[05:23] <KnifeySpooney> historically, when does the ubuntu homepage get update for each release? I really want to see the new design. :D
[05:23] <MJEvans> Most of their contnets is going to be the same, it's really going to be the desktop components that will differ.
[05:23] <KnifeySpooney> I know, but they are going to update their homepage (ubuntu.com) with thew new colors
[05:23] <KnifeySpooney> I'll find a link in a minute
[05:27] <Error404NotFound> have waited for this for like a million years... :P
[05:27] <hemanth> does lsb_release give us info about the version, just wanted to check if i'm on beta2 to RC
[05:28] <Error404NotFound> hemanth, cat /etc/issue, lsb_release -a
[05:28] <KnifeySpooney> MJEvans: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-gets-new-themes-logo-more.html
[05:29] <hemanth> Error404NotFound, both say Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, but i want to know if i'm on beta2 to rc
[05:29] <KnifeySpooney> About halfway through the article they mention a website
[05:29] <KnifeySpooney> hemanth: if you've updated through the update-manager or apt, you should be on the release candidate
[05:29] <KnifeySpooney> if not, you can update now and you'll be on the release candidate
[05:30] <Error404NotFound> hemanth, hmmm, may be open the Help, System > Help, sorry, haven't used Lucid for more than couple of days, still running on a test box though...
[05:30] <hemanth> KnifeySpooney, i was on beta2, then i rembr doing update, upgrade
[05:31] <KnifeySpooney> hemanth, well there is no definitive "this is rc" because the packages are constantly being updated in the repos. Run the update-manager again and if you have updates, install them
[05:33] <hemanth> KnifeySpooney, i have now updates, so must be on RC, after the final release today, i will do a upgrade-manager -d thank you :)
[05:34] <KnifeySpooney> hemanth, just make sure you run `sudo apt-get update` before you check for updates :)
[05:34] <KnifeySpooney> otherwise it will use your existing package list which could be outdated
[05:39]  * shachaf wonders if it makes any sense to install the release candidate right now and upgrade later, rather than just waiting for tomorrow and installing the final release.
[05:40] <PlainFlavored> hey
[05:40] <PlainFlavored> how many hours until the release?
[05:41] <PlainFlavored> sorry if this question has been asked a million times already :D
[05:41] <KnifeySpooney> PlainFlavored, i'm curious too :) in my experience it's never early in the morning (12am for me)
[05:42] <KnifeySpooney> Not sure if they have a set time
[05:42] <donpdonp> PlainFlavored: im not sure even ubuntu knows
[05:42] <PlainFlavored> i see
[05:42] <KnifeySpooney> I was disappointed to see they haven't updated the home page yet.
[05:43] <Victory444> the countdown image they've had simply has a smiley face where the days used to be :P
[05:43] <donpdonp> it'll be out when this url exists: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/release
[05:45] <arand> Nah, it's out when the official email goes out to the mailing list. The CDs will likely be mirrored earlier, right?
[05:45] <donpdonp> im just looking for the bits, not the official timestamp
[05:46] <KnifeySpooney> donpdonp, maybe I can write a quick script to check for the release and start the torrent
[05:47] <donpdonp> KnifeySpooney: yeah as long as its not too hard on the server
[05:47] <donpdonp> is already very slow to respond
[05:48] <arand> donpdonp: You could grab the current daily (27th apr), and check the sha1sum when the final is out... I have a suspicion they'll be the same, unless some major thing stops it. :)
[05:48] <donpdonp> arand: thats a good point, though im in no hurry to get it
[05:50] <red2kic> donpdonp: You could obtain the RC now. When the final is out, zsync it. :)
[05:50] <MJEvans> red2kic: does zsync handle relocations?
[05:51] <red2kic> MJEvans: I don't know. You can copy iso just to be on safe side.
[05:51] <Meeko> Is there any major changes in UNR?
[05:56] <MJEvans> red2kic: So I'm trying out rc-alternate-amd64 as the basis for rc-desktop-64
[05:56] <Kalidarn> hi, lucid release cycle follows UTC time right? it's currently 4:56AM UTC i'm wondering if it might be out in the next few hours (before i go home from work) because i want to use my work's fibre connection
[05:57] <spvensko_> so, is there a countdown yet? :)
[05:57] <MJEvans> Target 5.0% complete.  Ouch
[05:57] <MJEvans> Hopefully it works better for the final
[05:58] <arand> Kalidarn: Download the current daily iso, and use zsync to take the final diff, if any.
[05:58] <arand> MJEvans: I can see that not working very well, no :)
[05:59] <Kalidarn> arand: i have a few more hours yet before i go home :) so i might just wait until im ready to leave
[05:59] <arand> MJEvans: desktop-alternate I would expect a rather huge delta.
[05:59] <arthurh> did the dontzap package make it into the lucid repos yet?
[05:59] <DanaG> !find trousers/tss.h
[06:00] <DanaG> wait, why did it remove the slash?
[06:00] <DanaG> !find tss.h
[06:00] <arand> Kalidarn: My vague guess is that it will be until afternoon/evening UTC, so might be  while still.
[06:01] <Kalidarn> right, thanks
[06:01] <DanaG> ah, libtspi-dev
[06:02] <quentusrex> which ubuntu release is based on debian lenny? or where do I go to find this info?
[06:03] <mosno> quentusrex, aren't they all snapshotted from sid?
[06:03] <crdlb> quentusrex: my understanding is that ubuntu is based on unstable
[06:03] <quentusrex> then since lenny released in jan 2010
[06:04] <quentusrex> I would say it would be safe for a lenny user to use a karmic ppa?
[06:04] <crdlb> not really
[06:04] <MJEvans> quentusrex: would it maybe work?  Yes.  Would it be known stable; very much no.
[06:05] <MJEvans> You'd find out very very quickly if it would let you install.  You'd probably never find out if it was the cause of instability or not.
[06:05] <crdlb> btw, lenny was frozen quite a long time ago
[06:09] <hiredgoon>  
[06:12] <coldfire> what is the channel for the 10.4 release?
[06:13] <woodyjlw> its the 29th!
[06:13] <symptom> !Lucid
[06:16] <MJEvans> Wed Apr 28 22:16:32 PDT 2010
[06:16] <MJEvans> Still the 28th for me
[06:16] <MJEvans> Thu Apr 29 05:16:49 UTC 2010
[06:17] <MJEvans> About... 7 more hours till internation dateline expires all 28s
[06:17] <woodyjlw> 12:17 AM here
[06:17] <NinoScript> 1:17 here :P
[06:18] <woodyjlw> im in kansas city
[06:20] <NerdsMcGee> Hey guys, I just installed 10.04, and installed the nVidia restricted drivers on my MacBookPro5,5. When I boot now though, my boot resolution is very low. It was fine before I installed the nVidia drivers. Any ideas as to how I can fix this?
[06:23] <donpdonp> 10:23pm in oregon
[06:28] <underdev> after days of being pissed off and confused as to what keeps pinning my quadcore to 100% under lucid- i remembered top- it's gwibber-service
[06:29] <underdev> anyone else seeing this
[06:29] <underdev> ???
[06:29] <bullgard4> NerdsMcGee: I would look up this bug in Launchpad and any remedy there too.
[06:30] <pcrov> NerdsMcGee: http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[06:30] <bullgard4> underdev: No. My gwibber-service works all right but I am using an old-fashioned Thinkpad T43 computer.
[06:31] <underdev> maybe it's x64 weirdness?  I used gwibber-daily forever under karmic and i don't remember this crap happening
[06:31] <NerdsMcGee> So Vesa = Highres Booting, and nVidia = lowres? :(
[06:32] <Viper1432> gwibber on my RC still chews memory like a pig and desktop couch still crashes a lot.  primetime it ain't imho.  no cpu nastiness though.
[06:32] <Viper1432> its why I'm using pino on my arch partition.
[06:32] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/505583
[06:32] <underdev> Viper1432: bullgard4 ty
[06:32] <DanaG> argh, I still have this issue:
[06:33] <tucemiux_> how can i update to the official release?
[06:33] <DanaG> as soon as I try to enter so much as one letter of my password, it says "login incorrect".
[06:33] <Viper1432> np underdev
[06:33] <Viper1432> it really REALLY knows you DanaG ?  :D
[06:33] <DanaG> And with serial console, it doesn't accept ctrl-d, either!
[06:34] <freezway> will ubuntu 10.04 have RGBA support by default?
[06:34] <Viper1432> iirc that was pushed back to 10.10 freezway
[06:34] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, Hey! I'm using 10.4 with a MacBookPro5,5 :D … btw, are you still here? you still have your problem?
[06:34] <NerdsMcGee> Yes, and Yes. :P
[06:34] <NinoScript> what was it?
[06:35] <NerdsMcGee> When you first booted, the ubuntu graphical loader was high res, right?
[06:35] <NerdsMcGee> I installed the nVidia restricted drivers and my high res went away. :(
[06:35] <underdev> no pino in Software Center
[06:35] <NinoScript> to me everything works (except the ctrl on the command key, because of a bug of xmodmap in lucid u.u)
[06:35] <underdev> nor apt-get
[06:35] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, there are 2 restricted drivers, which one did you install?
[06:36] <Viper1432> underdev,  check omgubuntu.co.uk for links for that.
[06:36] <NerdsMcGee> 195
[06:36] <freezway> will ubuntu 10.04 have RGBA support by default?
[06:36] <Viper1432> freezway, didn't you just see my reply to you on that?
[06:36] <underdev> omgubuntu- i lol'd
[06:36] <Viper1432> underdev, its a great site for 'all things ubuntu'.
[06:37] <freezway> Viper1432, no i didn';t
[06:37] <freezway> oh i c
[06:37] <Viper1432> freezway, that was pushed back.
[06:38] <jzacsh> progress?
[06:38] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, I use the one that says (version current) [Recommended], I don't see the 195 :P maybe it's the same?
[06:38] <Viper1432> underdev,  here's the link to the twitter reviews on that site:  http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/02/twitter-applications-for-linux-ubuntu.html
[06:38] <silversk8r> hi everyone, any idea when the Final is getting out?
[06:38] <NerdsMcGee> Yeah, That's the one
[06:38] <underdev> reminds me of one of my favorite online poker players: OMGClayAiknen
[06:39] <Blue11> !nvidia
[06:39] <Viper1432> lol @ underdev
[06:39] <underdev> Viper- thanks for the link- reviewing
[06:39] <NerdsMcGee> NinoScript: I'm trying something out, gimme a sec.
[06:39] <Viper1432> no sweat underdev
[06:39] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, I had to update and restart before it actually worked… try that :D
[06:39] <dermoth> ubottu, I use the nvidis binary driver in 10.04
[06:40] <dermoth> ubottu, nv and nouveau both have issues for me :(
[06:40] <dermoth> lol
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> AHAH!
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> That
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> is what fixed it
[06:40] <NerdsMcGee> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[06:41] <basix> Is it out yet?!
[06:41] <basix> Where the heck is the ubuntu release party??
[06:41] <pcrov> !outyet | basix
[06:41] <basix> its already the 29th on the east coast!!!
[06:42] <basix> geez...nobody is excited about lucid? I remember a lot more excitement for karmic!
[06:42] <arand> basix: note the *sometime*
[06:42] <digital_1> Is Mark Shuttleworth out of town?
[06:42] <pcrov> and the #ubuntu-release-party
[06:43] <basix> arand, yes, so it is *sometime* on 29th right *now*
[06:43] <digital_1> I saw a Lynx run out of the woods
[06:43] <pcrov> and it'll still be "sometime" on the 29th later too
[06:43] <underdev> basix i think there's a lot of ambivilance towards luic
[06:43] <underdev> lucid
[06:44] <digital_1> ubottu is a Lynx an animal?
[06:44] <basix> underdev, what does ambivilance mean?
[06:44] <Viper1432> good link NerdsMcGee .  too bad that couldn't have been 'fixed' without the hoops to go through.  (nvidia prop. user here as well.) meh.
[06:44] <digital_1> what hoops for nVidia users?
[06:45] <roxan> !isitout
[06:45] <Viper1432> to get hi-rez booting going digital_1 .
[06:45] <NerdsMcGee> It was really straight forward and works on Lucid, so no complaints.
[06:45] <Meeko> Is it possible to set up software raid with ubuntu live-cd on install?
[06:45] <digital_1> Viper1432:  As in lots of hoops?
[06:45] <underdev> basix
[06:45] <pcrov> yeah, i'm just happy there were hoops instead of walls
[06:46] <Viper1432> guys, that link NerdsMcGee  put up isn't a "lot" for folks who know the OS, but for a "grandma can do it" POV, its a lotta hoops for something that shouldn't have looked so crap in the first place.  my 2 cents.
[06:46] <underdev> basix it means i can't spell ambivalence
[06:46] <NerdsMcGee> It's not just nVidia users, ATI too
[06:46] <BiggFREE> Why does the RC 10.04 always locking ? It is really bad.
[06:46] <BiggFREE> It is always asking my password every 30 seconds.
[06:46] <NerdsMcGee> Agreed Viper1432
[06:46] <digital_1> NerdsMcGee what is the link again?
[06:47] <NerdsMcGee> Scroll up. ;)
[06:47] <digital_1> I just got here
[06:47] <NerdsMcGee> Ahh, lol
[06:47] <digital_1> Up is just a short distance
[06:47] <underdev>  the coexistence within an individual of positive and negative feelings toward the same person, object, or action, simultaneously drawing him or her in opposite directions.
[06:47] <NerdsMcGee> http://idyllictux.wordpress.com/2010/04/26/lucidubuntu-10-04-high-resolution-plymouth-virtual-terminal-for-atinvidia-cards-with-proprietaryrestricted-driver/
[06:47] <pcrov> Viper1432: i started with ubuntu like a week ago and it was no sweat for me.
[06:47] <digital_1> Thanks!
[06:47] <Viper1432> pcrov, you can read.  congrats.  heh heh.  Most folks...don't much.  ;-)
[06:47] <underdev> yeah, closing gwibber has made my computer very happy
[06:48] <BiggFREE> Any available solution for my request ?
[06:48] <NerdsMcGee> Viper1432: what are you running at the moment?
[06:48] <Viper1432> If this release were a non LTS, I could see the low rez stuff...but for "polished"...its not.
[06:49] <digital_1> You know I read a Shuttleworth interview and he just didn't seem as excited about 10.4 as he was about 10.10
[06:49] <Viper1432> NerdsMcGee, I'm currently using Arch and ubuntu 10.04 RC....but more and more I'm on the arch partition, and less and less on the ubuntu side.
[06:49] <digital_1> So maybe they're kinda looking more forward than usual.
[06:49] <NerdsMcGee> Wonder how much a PITA Arch would be on a MBP. T_T
[06:49] <BiggFREE> Any tag about this auto  lock ?
[06:50] <pcrov> last time i tried getting a linux desktop running was like 8 years ago, so this RC ain't getting complaints outta me
[06:50] <arand> digital_1: Obviously, since all the exciting stuff happened a month ago...
[06:50] <digital_1> BigFree- locking every 30 seconds?
[06:50] <Viper1432> what's got me boggled is my arch partition + apps = 300 meg less than my ubuntu parition + same apps. I know 'why', but shocked me at first.
[06:50] <BiggFREE> yes
[06:51] <pcrov> BiggFREE: overzealous screensaver settings?
[06:51] <Viper1432> (ram is what I was referring to.)
[06:51] <leifw> where has notify-send gone in lucid, and what can I use instead?
[06:51] <digital_1> arand:  I think it was more along the lines that the LTS is always a bit conservative in features.
[06:51] <Ian_Corne> It's almost over again :)
[06:51] <BiggFREE> No active screensaver. Or it is blank.
[06:51] <digital_1> BiggFREE, I've not experienced that at all
[06:51] <arand> digital_1: I wouldn't claim Lucid was though, if you compare to Karmic..
[06:52] <donpdonp> whats the next release name after lucid lynx?
[06:52] <digital_1> arand:  Agree- at least asthetics
[06:52] <digital_1> Mercat
[06:52] <digital_1> or something along that
[06:52] <BiggFREE> Is it a bug according you ? pcrov
[06:52] <leifw> meerkat
[06:52] <digital_1> sorry yeah that
[06:52] <donpdonp> M* Meerkat?
[06:53] <Viper1432> meowing meercat?  -ducks.
[06:53] <underdev> oh god, not cats
[06:53] <leifw> maverick I think
[06:53] <digital_1> "ManWeScrewedUpWithTheNewThemes" Meerkat I think it is.
[06:53] <Viper1432> lmao digital_1
[06:53] <leifw> http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/ubuntu-1010-to-be-codenamed-maverick-meerkat.ars
[06:53] <arand> Maverick Meerkat
[06:53] <donpdonp> Maverick Meerkat. cool
[06:54] <leifw> there is no notify-send or gnome-osd-client
[06:54] <leifw> this is super annoying
[06:54]  * arand dislikes the three-syllable ones.
[06:54] <underdev> lets call it snow leppard!  snotty snow leapord!
[06:54] <donpdonp> lol
[06:54] <underdev> leopard
[06:54] <Viper1432> Merrkbuntu.
[06:54] <underdev> dammit
[06:54] <arand> leifw: installed libnotify-bin?
[06:55] <leifw> arand: nope, thanks
[06:55] <BiggFREE> pcrov ... You solved my problem. Thanks
[06:55] <pcrov> yw
[06:55] <arand> leifw: at least that's the one for notify-send iirc
[06:56] <NinoScript> any other MacBook users here? (specially looking for MacBookPro5,5 users, but it would be nice to contact any Mac user out there :D)
[06:56] <leifw> it is, now I just have to figure out how to port gnome-osd-client's bizarre xml syntax to notify-osd
[06:56] <digital_1> NinoScript:  I have a Mac plus!
[06:57] <digital_1> But I doubt Linux would ever run on it.
[06:57] <NinoScript> digital_1, whoah! my first mac was an LCII, the mac plus is older than me :P
[06:58] <digital_1> Although someone got an Apple //e to send tweets I guess.
[06:58] <digital_1> NinoScript:  I grabbed it along with a //e for collectors items.
[06:58] <digital_1> I'd rather have had the original Mac but no dice.
[06:59] <Ian_Corne> flashplugin-nonfree broken for anyone else?
[06:59] <NinoScript> but I meant, one running linux :P
[07:00] <digital_1> How so Ian_Corne?
[07:00] <NinoScript> Ian_Corne, not here, just a little glitchy on playing video, but definetely not broken
[07:00] <BiggFREE> I am using Ubuntu as a VM.
[07:00] <Mikerhinos> hi all
[07:01] <Ian_Corne> NinoScript: I meant the package
[07:01] <digital_1> Hello Mikerhinos
[07:02] <BiggFREE> digital_1: ... Are you a bot ?
[07:02] <digital_1> Anyone running the last daily build?
[07:02] <Ian_Corne> I'm running a totaly uptodate system
[07:02] <Ian_Corne> that should be the same
[07:02] <digital_1> I've been accused of worse, BiggFREE :-D
[07:03] <BiggFREE> lol  Sorry :(
[07:03] <digital_1> lol tis ok
[07:03] <Mikerhinos> digital_1, i am
[07:03] <underdev> Ian_Corne: someone was complaining about it this morning too - how did you install it, may i ask?
[07:04] <digital_1> Mikerhinos:  Cool.  All went well with the install?
[07:04] <underdev> Ian_Corne: (its working for most, btw)
[07:04] <digital_1> Ian_Corne - 32 or 64bit?
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> underdev: it works for me
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> 32 but
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> bit*
[07:04] <Ian_Corne> I just can't upgrade the package
[07:05] <underdev> oic
[07:05] <Ian_Corne> And I installed it 3 years ago or so :p
[07:05] <Ian_Corne> via apt, ofcource
[07:05] <Mikerhinos> oh sorry i didn't understood , i meant i'm running the latest lucid but it is alpha2 with daily patches in fact
[07:06] <leifw> can someone help me test this by sending me a message?
[07:06] <digital_1> It looked to me as if the last daily build in 9.10 became the release
[07:06] <leifw> as in, just say something with my nick in it
[07:06] <rww> leifw: no
[07:06] <Mikerhinos> and i have problems with metacity i think , i don't have cursor nor windows borders until i activate compiz effects
[07:07] <leifw> rww: you're wonderful
[07:07] <Mikerhinos> Lucid is still arriving today ?
[07:07] <rww> Mikerhinos: It's still scheduled for the 29th, yes
[07:09] <Mikerhinos> cool , i think i'll burn the final image and do a fresh install this evening so , because i have a few problems , like broken tty
[07:09] <digital_1> Do they always release on a Thursday?  I can't seem to recall.
[07:10] <echosystm> is 10.04 still due to come out today?
[07:10] <donpdonp> if i go to sleep, will the ubuntu fairy make 10.04 available when i wake up?
[07:10] <Lilarcor> I can't type anything under my LL VM under fusion!
[07:10] <leifw> donpdonp: yes, of course
[07:10] <Lilarcor> what the hell is going on?
[07:10] <rww> echosystm: if by "today" you mean the 29th, yes
[07:10] <echosystm> or has there been an official announcement that it has been delayred or anything?
[07:10] <echosystm> ok
[07:10] <donpdonp> leifw: yea!
[07:10] <echosystm> is it usually at the start or end of the day that they release?
[07:10] <echosystm> and in what timezone? :P
[07:11] <BiggFREE> bbl
[07:11] <BiggFREE> tc
[07:11] <maco> echosystm: at some point while it is the 29th in some timezone
[07:11] <echosystm> i have to go away tomorrow and it would have been nice to get 10.04 installed on my laptop before i leave
[07:11] <echosystm> is the current beta fairly stable?
[07:11] <DanaG> Wed Apr 28 23:11:48 PDT 2010
[07:11] <digital_1> echosystm:  yes
[07:12] <digital_1> imho
[07:12] <echosystm> ok
[07:12] <DanaG> echosystm: still, if you're about to go away from other computers, it's better to err on the side of caution.
[07:12] <digital_1> I never bothered to load the RC.  Beta was pretty stable.
[07:12] <pcrov> working well here, echosystm
[07:12] <DanaG> Or at least, make sure you have a working Windows or other Linux partition.
[07:13] <echosystm> is there a netinstall cd, so i can be sure it only sucks down the latest files?
[07:13] <echosystm> i dont want to install off a cd then have it updating again
[07:13] <DanaG> You can just upgrade your existing distro to Lucid, though that'll take a while.
[07:13] <echosystm> i dont have ubuntu installed currently
[07:13] <echosystm> only debian
[07:13] <digital_1> bah do a clean install
[07:14] <maco> DanaG: not like much if anythig is going to change between now and tomorrow
[07:14] <digital_1> never upgrade an OS IMHO.
[07:14] <maco> DanaG: archive's been frozen for a couple days now. they're spinning ISOs
[07:14] <DanaG> I have too many tweaks I'd lose if I'd fresh-install.
[07:14] <echosystm> so point remains - is there a netinstall cd?
[07:16] <power> hi,probably this is asked 526326 times, is there a way to get iso of release (iirc it was scheduled for today)
[07:16] <Meeko> !raid
[07:16] <DanaG> !netinst
[07:16] <DanaG> !netinstall
[07:16] <NerdsMcGee> How exactly do I restart HAL in Lucid? It's depreciated, no?
[07:18] <Ian_Corne> echosystm: You can update the installer
[07:24] <kwtm> Just had an epiphany which I will share so the rest of you won't waste hours trying to get KMail running.
[07:26] <pakete> hey all
[07:27] <pakete> is it coming today???
[07:27] <Meeko> Yes.
[07:27] <pakete> 10.04 final?
[07:27] <Meeko> Yes.
[07:27] <pakete> netbook remix also?
[07:27] <Meeko> I would assume that, yes.
[07:27] <pakete> no bugs with plymouth?
[07:27] <power> it looks like the mirrors are getting their copies, i guess.
[07:27] <KeithWeisshar> what time will ubuntu 10.04 be officially released?
[07:27] <pakete> i mean well...hopefully
[07:28] <pakete> looking fwd...about 12GMT or later
[07:28] <Meeko> KeithWeisshar: Today.
[07:28] <Lilarcor> anybody get LL working under Fusion?
[07:28] <Lilarcor> I can't type anything!
[07:29] <k00giez> w00t
[07:29] <k00giez> where the party at
[07:29] <k00giez> tonight is the release night?
[07:29] <digital_1> Jono Bacon's garage
[07:30] <pakete> we should all celebrate!!
[07:30] <KeithWeisshar> i'm in the united states
[07:30] <Mikerhinos> anybody has a wacom bamboo tablet ? i need to reconfigure buttons on gimp , but i can't install the control panel .deb because there is not wacom-tools dependance in synaptic :s
[07:30] <pakete> this ine is a hell of a release! it doesnt matter where you are. all celebrate!
[07:30] <rww> k00giez: #ubuntu-release-party
[07:30] <vish> KeithWeisshar: there is no specific time set , but today for sure  ;)
[07:31] <KeithWeisshar> what's the time difference between edt and ubuntu.com time zone
[07:31] <rww> KeithWeisshar: there isn't an "ubuntu.com time zone"
[07:32] <KeithWeisshar> should i get the 64-bit version if i have a lot of ram
[07:34] <PythonPup> KeithWeisshar, to use more than 3.5 gigs of RAM, you need the 64 bit version.
[07:35] <PythonPup> But, a few things don't work on the 64 bit version.  Nothing I care about, but maybe something you care about.  That is what you should check, KeithWeisshar
[07:35] <HagenaarsDotNu> PythonPup: if you're running on an Intel 945 chipset, the 64 bit version will not help
[07:36] <PythonPup> So, check that, too, KeithWeisshar.  I don't use systems that new, or have that much ram.  I could go 64 bit, but see no real reason to.
[07:37] <KeithWeisshar> i have 12gb of ram
[07:37] <KeithWeisshar> i have an x58 chipset
[07:37] <DanaG> .
[07:37] <vish> whaaaaaaaaaaT!
[07:37] <HagenaarsDotNu> hmm, that's a lot of ram
[07:39] <vish> heh , i was expecting a KeithWeisshar to say "No, wait , its actually 2gb" ;p
[07:39] <HagenaarsDotNu> :)
[07:39] <PythonPup> KeithWeisshar, do you have any reason to believe your new motherboard will work with Lucid?  I am not saying it won't, but new chipset drivers take some time.
[07:41] <crdlb> I should probably install these updates before the servers get swamped
[07:42] <Meeko> Does UNR have a textbased install, like the ubuntu desktop alternative cd's?
[07:42] <amereservant> Is there something I have to do to be able to choose what installs from the mini install?  It never prompts me to choose what packages I want.
[07:43] <amereservant> I don't get the option to choose what desktop etc. I want.  It finishes and has only installed the CLI, no gnome.
[07:43] <HagenaarsDotNu> KeithWeisshar: Have a look at post 6 and 7 here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7209584#6
[07:44] <HagenaarsDotNu> especially the PAE part
[07:44] <vish> HagenaarsDotNu: he aint here ..
[07:45] <NinoScript> amereservant, I thought that was were you chose, in the CLI do a sudo apt-get install ?buntu-desktop
[07:45] <NinoScript> amereservant, replacing U or KU or XU where the ? is. I think that should do it
[07:46] <NinoScript> amereservant, or at least, that's what I would do, I'm no expert :)
[07:46] <amereservant> NinoScript: Well sometimes I get the option while installing the mini image.
[07:47] <amereservant> It actually has a menu where you select it.
[07:47] <amereservant> But for some reason it usually skips that menu.
[07:48] <kwtm> Since I am already using Lucid Lynx, I can spoil it all for the rest of you guys by asking "Is it out yet?" yet another time, right PartyBot?
[07:48] <vish> how do i find my PCI card ADDR  ?
[07:49] <NinoScript> amereservant, Should it appear at the start? I think with Lucid CDs, when you see a little keyboard and a guy in the bottom of the screen, you should press something so the menu appears
[07:49] <vish> kwtm: looks like you want   #ubuntu-release-party   ;)
[07:49] <Mikerhinos> anyone knows how to configure buttons on a wacom tablet with lucid ? i'm left hand , so when i press the stylus on the tablet , it is considered as right clic and opens the menu :s
[07:50] <kwtm> vish: Oh, darn, I was spoiling the wrong party!  Anyway, off I go to spoil their fun. :)
[07:50] <amereservant> NinoScript: Nah, no menu like that on the mini cd.  The menu usually appears after creating a user and before installing Grub.
[07:52] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, That should be under mouse preferences.  I am rebooting my lucid system and I'll check in a moment.
[07:53] <Mikerhinos> PythonPup, thanks
[07:54] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, System/Preference/Mouse.  It should show the option for left hand when it comes up.
[07:55] <Meeko> !/boot
[07:55] <blue102> is the final release out yet
[07:55] <Jeeves_> nope
[07:55] <blue102> when ?
[07:55] <Meeko> blue102: Today.
[07:55] <Mikerhinos> PythonPup,  yes for the mouse , but for the wacom tablet ? do you have a dedicated menu ? i don't :s
[07:56] <Meeko> blue102: ask in #ubuntu-release-party
[07:56] <Meeko> *silent evil laugh*
[07:56] <blue102> is it for download yet
[07:56] <Blue11> !nvidia
[07:56] <Meeko> Yes.
[07:56] <Meeko> !rc | blue102
[07:57] <blue102> have the link
[07:57] <Meeko> !download | blue102
[07:58] <blue102> ubuntu server as well
[07:58] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, I assumed the Wacom was acting as your mouse.  I don't have a tablet, so I guess I don't know how it shows up.  Sorry.  There might be a xorg.conf tweak.  If you don't find a setting, that is where I would look.  Edit that file, with caution.
[07:59] <blue102> thanks guys
[07:59] <Daijoubu> Are there going to be magor changes for the final release today O_o i mean will i have trouble with the RC install?
[08:00] <Mikerhinos> PythonPup, yes that's the problem : wacom is acting like my mouse , so left and right click are switched. That's what i want with my mouse (i'm left hand) but not the wacom pen , as when i press it on the tablet , it doesn't draw anything but opens right clic menu :s
[08:00] <shawnboy> This is probably been asked a hundred times, but will Lucid definitely be available Apr 29 and if so does anyone know what time?
[08:00] <Meeko> Daijoubu: Probly not, just run an update.
[08:00] <Daijoubu> Meeko, phew thanks ^^
[08:00] <shawnboy> all I can find is RC
[08:00] <Meeko> shawnboy: Becaouse it's the last release.
[08:01] <Meeko> !release date | shawnboy
[08:01] <Meeko> !release | shawnboy
[08:01] <Meeko> hmmz
[08:01] <PythonPup> shawnboy, the schedule is not until the night of the 29th.  I don't speak for the team, so I don't know what time it will really be.
[08:02] <shawnboy> PythonPup, I never understood if that meant now (it's 29th and is nighttime) or the eve of 29th.
[08:02] <PythonPup> At the end of the day on the 29th
[08:03] <shawnboy> I understand. Thanks, PythonPup.
[08:06] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, wacom looks to be officially supported.  There is an official xserver package for it.  Sorry, I don't know more.
[08:08] <PythonPup> Mikerhinos, If you don't find anything else, I'd try the xorg.conf tweak listed in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=25151   The message is old, but it looks pretty generic.  Don't install the package they mention.  That seems to be depracated.
[08:08] <pakete> hey all
[08:09] <Meeko> Not yet, pakete =)
[08:09] <pakete> mein gott
[08:09] <pakete> how long!
[08:09] <Mikerhinos> yes wacom-tools doesn't exist on lucid , too bad , because that's what i need to install the button configuration tool .deb i found :s
[08:10] <Meeko> pakete: The release date is today. When today is tomorrow you can ask again (thats on international dateline).
[08:10] <Meeko> or when today is yesterday is probly better.
[08:11] <pakete> i celebrated yesterday, i am going to celebrate today and will re-celebrate tomorrow!
[08:11] <pakete> lucid lynx is worth celebrating every day and night =)))) lol maybe
[08:14] <cjae> 10.04 available?
[08:14] <Kalidarn> cjae: probably not until later today
[08:14] <Kalidarn> it's currently 7:14AM UTC
[08:15] <cjae> ahh
[08:17] <iceroot> 10.04 still using init-scripts or are they complety removed for startup?
[08:18] <Jeeves_> iceroot: Partially
[08:18] <Jeeves_> Unfortunatly
[08:18] <iceroot> hm
[08:18] <Jeeves_> It's kindof confusing now
[08:18] <iceroot> not good for an lts-version to mix something important like that (imo)
[08:18] <cjae> where is canonical located
[08:18] <Jeeves_> Some packages still leave files in /etc/default, which aren't used
[08:18] <Jeeves_> iceroot: I agree
[08:18] <Jeeves_> Canonical doesn't :)
[08:19] <Jeeves_> cjae: Uk, Us.
[08:19] <Guest16373> I tried using jigdo-lite to download the 10.04 RC source DVD -- it fails with 96 source files missing.
[08:19] <iceroot> maybe i will have a look today at 10.04 in a vm to see if it is worth upgrading
[08:20] <cjae> thanks
[08:20] <amereservant> So far I like it quite a bit better than 9.10.
[08:20] <amereservant> Some very nice improvements.
[08:20] <RnFstRuckHrd> I am sure I am to 1 x 10 ^96 person to ask this but...... when will we all get to upgrade?
[08:21] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: Next week, it's been delayed due to too many asking.
[08:21] <iceroot> RnFstRuckHrd: when its done
[08:21] <PythonPup> RnFstRuckHrd, I already upgraded.
[08:21] <amereservant> They got nervous and withheld it an additional week.
[08:22] <PythonPup> If you install the RC, and then do the updates, it gets you to the same setup.
[08:22] <RnFstRuckHrd> Amereservant/iceroot - TY ;-)      |        PythonPup - LUCKY!!!!!
[08:22] <PythonPup> Lucid is nice.  You'll like it.
[08:22] <amereservant> PythonPup: Ohhh, that's what all those updates just earlier were all about.
[08:23] <RnFstRuckHrd> I have the RC on my laptop - but it has not gotten any updates :-s
[08:23] <nishanth> does anyone know if the final release of  lucid is out?
[08:24] <amereservant> Nope, they're waiting another week.
[08:24] <amereservant> nishanth: ^^
[08:24] <Jeeves_> :)
[08:24] <RnFstRuckHrd> I have only been a complete linux (kubuntu) user for 5 months now so this will be my first big upgrade. Will downloading an .iso to make an install disk take forever due to the demand tomorrow?
[08:24] <amereservant> Check back then and it'll be there.
[08:24] <Guest16373> RnFstRuckHrd, use BitTorrent to download it.  Having lots of people downloading it at the same time will make it faster, not slower.
[08:24] <amereservant> Nah, not very many people will be downloading 9.10 now.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> Just update using the update manager
[08:25] <PythonPup> RnFstRuckHrd, Just do a torrent download of the RC iso.  I and a lot of other people are seeding it and it will come down fast.  Or, be patient and wait a week.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> you don't need the whole iso
[08:25] <amereservant> 10.04 next week will be another story.
[08:25] <RnFstRuckHrd> I figured as much for the bitorrent method - but what about the mirrors? just not sure how they work
[08:25] <nishanth> i thought they said april 29th
[08:25] <Jeeves_> and there'll always be packages you need to download
[08:25] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:25] <Jeeves_> nishanth: It is :)
[08:25] <Jeeves_> amereservant is messing around :)
[08:25] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: It's peer-to-peer sharing.
[08:26] <nishanth> so is it out?
[08:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - mirrors??
[08:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> nishanth - NOT YET
[08:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> 1 wk
[08:26] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: No, bittorrent.
[08:26] <nishanth> ok
[08:26] <nishanth> waiting.........
[08:26] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: No mirrors involved in that.
[08:26] <amereservant> Yeah, check back next week and it'll for sure be here.
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> right - but can a mirror only handle one anounce at a time? or is it only limited by the connection speed of the mirror and the person downlaoding?
[08:27] <amereservant> That is if all of humanity doesn't end before then.
[08:27] <ph0xide> in how many hours will be released
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> LOL
[08:27] <amereservant> ph0xide: 72 hours.
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> 148
[08:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> hrs that is
[08:27] <PythonPup> ph0xide, I predict the number will fit in a small int.
[08:27] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:28] <ph0xide> PythonPup, u had the smartest answer
[08:28] <RnFstRuckHrd> fact
[08:28] <ph0xide> :)
[08:28] <NinoScript> NerdsMcGee, can you click? can you move? :O
[08:28] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: Since they're all up in some cloud computing business, I don't think they'll have any issues with download server loads.
[08:29]  * RnFstRuckHrd formats laptop and desktop to Gutsy Gib. - I always wanted a stable release!
[08:30] <amereservant> I was watching a Youtube video on the Spring Board manager for iPhone/iTouch and I cried when I realized it had to be compiled with no instructions on how to do so.  What a tease.
[08:31] <amereservant> The guy shows it off and yet it's not done in time to be in the 10.04 release.  He should be kicked.
[08:31] <ojii> my keyboard on my lucid notebook stopped working today, and after logging in using the on-board keyboard the touchpad also stops working, anyone have an idea what I could do?
[08:32] <amereservant> Eat a banana.  That's what I"m fixing to do.  Not sure if it'll help your keyboard issue though.
[08:32] <RnFstRuckHrd> ojii - just wait for the updates
[08:33] <ojii> RnFstRuckHrd, i'll try updating using SSH
[08:33] <ojii> god bless ssh!
[08:33] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: How's he going to get them if he has no keyboard?
[08:33] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:33] <amereservant> NM, he answered.
[08:33] <ojii> :D
[08:33] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol
[08:33] <ojii> but yea
[08:33] <ojii> that would've been something to consider
[08:33] <b0w> ojii erase everything! wait for a new clean fresh aromatic install of th final version
[08:33] <ojii> b0w, not really an option
[08:33] <RnFstRuckHrd> remote desktop via telepathy
[08:33] <RnFstRuckHrd> what? you cant do that???
[08:34] <ojii> can I start synergy over ssh?
[08:34] <amereservant> b0w: That's my solution.  Backup what I need, reformat it til it works.
[08:34] <b0w> yeah thats the mose healthy thing to do
[08:34] <b0w> it walywas lkike this on new releases
[08:34] <b0w> you have to wait like 1 week or two
[08:35] <amereservant> It's the only way I know to fix Windows' sluggish ways after a year or so.
[08:35] <ojii> wewt for ynergy
[08:35] <b0w> and then everything is fixed
[08:35] <RnFstRuckHrd> when I was on XP I formated every 6 months - glad those days are over
[08:35] <bbordwell> RnFstRuckHrd, +!
[08:35] <bbordwell> +1
[08:36] <amereservant> Yeah.  I'm hoping Windows 7 holds more promise.  It's looking a little better than Vista so far, but not by much.
[08:36] <PythonPup> Has anyone here used the btrfs on Lucid?  If so, what do you think of it?
[08:36] <pcrov> somehow i managed to run xp, and actually upgrade to vista, and keep that going fine on 2 comps for years (still going fine, actually) without wiping/reinstalling
[08:36] <amereservant> I just hate how much it bogs my boxes down over time.
[08:37] <bbordwell> pcrov, My windows install last forever now that i never use it
[08:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> going home to introduce my parents to Kub 10.04 when I can get my install CD downloaded. They are done with paying for AV software and other apps. Pretty excited to see them explore a new OS, they are not tech savvy at all but had no problem getting around my 9.04 laptop I let them try out
[08:38] <amereservant> pcrov: Hmmm.  I have to wipe Vista about 18-24 months to "refresh" it.  I do like Vista over all previous versions though.  It has done well for me regardless all the complaints people had about it.
[08:38] <RnFstRuckHrd> pcrov - by a lottery ticket son!!!! you must have quite the luck or some kind of gift!
[08:38] <amereservant> If ppl would quit buying crap computers, it wouldn't run like crap.
[08:38] <knittl> hi. so when's lucid due? =)
[08:39] <pcrov> amereservant: i concur about it doing well, despite the naysayers
[08:39] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittl: 4/29/2011
[08:39] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: gfy. I installed xubuntu on my uncle's new gf's ancient hardware (p3 800mhz 192MB RAM) Running XP with no service packs before.
[08:39] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: :P i meant more lik e10 hours, 2 hours, 5 hours, …
[08:39] <amereservant> pcrov: I think the issue all comes down to people buying junky cheap computers and wanting a Ferrari from it.
[08:40] <RnFstRuckHrd> I was more then pleased with how XP ran on my desktop and laptop machines. I was just curious what all of this linux business was about. I liek what I saw and liked that I could stop pirating software ;-)
[08:40] <pcrov> amereservant: that and folk loading their comps up with every flashy "screensaver" that lands in their inbox
[08:40] <misse-> amereservant: :P why would you want to buy any computer just to run vista on it? I wouldn't even use a computer with vista on it if it was given to me for free.
[08:40] <amereservant> LOL, yeah, no joke.
[08:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittl: it will be sometime in the next week. Just freeze yourself like Eric Cartman did when he was waiting for the Wii - it worked for him
[08:41] <bbordwell> pcrov, the biggest problem is all the bloat that major OEMs put on their windows machines
[08:41] <amereservant> misse-: Everyone has their opinions.  There are some things I still just cannot do as efficiently in Linux as much as I love it, as I can in Windows.
[08:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse: WOW no service packs. what was that like lol
[08:41] <amereservant> Otherwise I would've ditched it a while back.
[08:42] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant: I agree - emulating win in linux is not as good as just having a machine run win
[08:42] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: sometimes next week? it's today -.-
[08:42] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: couldn't connect to the wifi since XP didn't know what WPA was :P "The network is using a secure WEP encryption" :P .. no it wasn't and no it's not (wep, being secure) :)
[08:42] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse: LOL! yikes
[08:42] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: Nah, it doesn't work if you try running video-editing software or games.
[08:43] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittle - patience is a virtue
[08:43] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - most certainly true
[08:43] <misse-> amereservant: Agreed, but there are much better versions of windows available then vista. I would argue that XP's better.. but I think you'll atleast agree that W7 is a much better OS than vista was when it was released.
[08:43] <RnFstRuckHrd> I tried emulatiing EAC - fail
[08:43] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: i was just asking. i'v been using it anyway for months now
[08:43] <knittl> s/now/already/
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> knittl: I am not riding you - I am here for the same thing. I was just asking the same Q in fact not more than 20 mins ago. I am just here now because I am too giddy with excitment to sleep.
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> seriously
[08:44] <knittl> lol
[08:44] <knittl> it's 9 am here
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> :-p
[08:44] <pcrov> bring photoshop and bridge natively to linux (w/ 64 bit support) and i could probably switch over completely. but there's no way i can settle on the gimp.
[08:44] <RnFstRuckHrd> its 01:44 here
[08:45] <amereservant> misse-: Well, in some cases.  I like Vista and up because of the 64-bit.  XP 64-bit was a joke.  I do like some things better about Windows 7, but there's some things they should've left alone.  XP was and is light, but the extra features Vista has was a big improvement for my needs.
[08:45] <knittl> RnFstRuckHrd: i think you can go to sleep
[08:45]  * RnFstRuckHrd pleads for the adobe suite - primarily LightRoom
[08:45] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: idd ^^. I should've almost donated a clone of the partition to a museum or something.. don't think there can be much XP installs out there without even SP1
[08:45] <knittl> it was usually released around 6 pm here
[08:45] <amereservant> My box has 8GB RAM and therefore anything less than Vista wouldn't do me any good.
[08:46] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse: fact
[08:46] <misse-> amereservant: oh, totally agree on the XP 64bit part ^^.
[08:46] <sharky> I ended the MS money machine in 07, do I use MS and there apps Yep I paid for it , I wont pay any more
[08:46] <SandGorgon> amereservant, seriously (and I will be committing heresy here)... just drop vista and take win7 atleast. Your life on the other side, would be that much less miserable
[08:46] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: No kidding....LightRoom.  That's a Godsend when it comes to editing large numbers of photos.
[08:47] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - vista wouldnt do you any good either. you need the CS4 master collection in its entirety running simultaneously to use all of that mem
[08:47] <SandGorgon> the only reason for windows is..... TF2
[08:47] <misse-> SandGorgon: doesn't run in wine?
[08:47] <amereservant> SandGorgon: Oh, I am.  I'm running 7 on three PCs now to see how it plays out.
[08:47] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant - absolutely
[08:47] <SandGorgon> misse-, performance suffers... i hae an old nvidia 7xxx
[08:48] <amereservant> RnFstRuckHrd: LOL, that RAM was my way of combating my tendency to overload my PC with too much heavy multi-tasking.
[08:48] <misse-> SandGorgon: oh, want another one? Just dumped my old P4 with dual 7xxxGTX in SLI.. Never got the SLI to function under linux
[08:48] <pcrov> RnFstRuckHrd: i often work with source images that are half a gig each.. throw some layers on that and it adds up quick. 8gig mem definitely comes in use here
[08:48] <RnFstRuckHrd> does anyone here have a a dock app preference? I gave cairo dock a shot today - best expereince so far (offtopic I know) how about a dock preference for Kub 10.04 ;-)
[08:49] <RnFstRuckHrd> amereservant: haha!
[08:49] <amereservant> Plus it was really cheap and my motherboard could handle it so why not?
[08:49] <amereservant> My newest box is another story.  DDR3 is a little pricey.
[08:49] <misse-> RnFstRuckHrd: tried it yesterday and am still using it. Was using docky or gnome-do with docky before and I must say cairo is a great alternative.. most noticable is the notification animation that doesn't just run once and then has an invisible little red glow beneath it.
[08:50] <bbordwell> RnFstRuckHrd, cairo dock is what i liked, i do not use one though
[08:50] <RnFstRuckHrd> pcrov: all my photos are imported in RAW  -  never more then two or three layers during editing. 4 gigs works for me. Not saying I wouldnt love 8 just for funzzies!
[08:50] <misse-> it keeps spinning or bouncing until I notice it, that's perfect
[08:50] <Noble> Will Lucid be relased today?
[08:50] <amereservant> Noble: Nope, major defect.
[08:50] <amereservant> Check back next week.
[08:51] <RnFstRuckHrd> misse/bbordwell: TY - cairo is in front for me. I do honestly like the K Menu though but docks a pretty
[08:51] <bbordwell> amereservant, the memory leak?
[08:51] <amereservant> Yeah.
[08:51] <pcrov> RnFstRuckHrd: scanning film, much of it medium format. 8 lets me check my email while working on that :)
[08:51] <amereservant> It's spilling all over the place.
[08:51] <RnFstRuckHrd> Noble - 4/29/2010 + 7 days
[08:51] <Noble> Roger that.
[08:51] <Noble> Is it the X-issue thats keeping it?
[08:51] <bbordwell> RnFstRuckHrd, So will it be called 10.05? lol
[08:51] <RnFstRuckHrd> pcrov: NICE!  well there you go :-p
[08:51] <amereservant> We're trying to get the problem mopped up though.
[08:52] <RnFstRuckHrd> bbordwell - no, 10.0499999999999999999999999999999999
[08:52] <amereservant> Noble: yeah, we're re-verting to the X in 9.10 for now.
[08:52] <RnFstRuckHrd> sorry 10.04.999999999999999999999999999999
[08:52] <bbordwell> amereservant, do you know if it will be fixed or if they are going to pull the change that introduced the bug?
[08:52] <Noble> amereservant: According to the bugreport there is a fix out there, or am I missunderstanding?
[08:52] <amereservant> bbordwell: We're scrapping the whole X for 10.04 because of it.
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey huckle barry
[08:53] <amereservant> End of story.
[08:53] <ojii> is there a way to prevent gwibber from jumping to top all the time when I'm reading stuff further down?
[08:53] <LucidFox> I just did a fresh install for Lucid, and the Install button in the Software Center isn't working
[08:53] <arand> RnFstRuckHrd: Hardly, 10.04.1 is reserved for the point-update...
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> should I even dare joining #ubuntu-releaseparty?
[08:53] <LucidFox> Any ideas?
[08:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> arand - I joke
[08:53] <LucidFox> I just press it and nothing happens, apt-get install works fine
[08:53] <amereservant> Server will go on to 10.04 and so will the core of the Desktop/netbook, but the X will be 9.10
[08:53] <misse-> amereservant: that spoils my day somewhat. but hey, it's a valid decision to postpone the relase, the bug is kinda showstopping :P
[08:54] <amereservant> LMBO!!!
[08:54] <Noble> amereservant: What featuers will be removed from the current 10.04 X?
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> Noble: why do you expect anything to be removed?
[08:54] <amereservant> Man, I'm jerking your legs.
[08:54] <arand> RnFstRuckHrd: Of course, but jokes can also be perfected ;)
[08:54] <pcrov> well played, amereservant
[08:54] <Noble> Yeah, you got me.
[08:54] <RnFstRuckHrd> arand - just deposited that one in the bank! ;-P
[08:54] <amereservant> LOL!!!
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> !OT
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> !links
[08:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> foul
[08:55] <Heliwr> perhaps I misjudged the purpose of this channel, are we supposed to all be total feminine hygiene products and mislead everyone about the release date?
[08:55] <LucidFox> "all be total feminine hygiene products"?
[08:55] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:56] <RnFstRuckHrd> wtf?
[08:56] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: If this annoys you? Stay five miles from #ubuntu-release-party :-)
[08:56] <BUGabundo_remote> !coc | Heliwr
[08:56] <bullgard4> Heliwr: Don't talk rubbish, please.
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: I plan too
[08:57] <Heliwr> every person coming in here asking when lucid will be released is being told to check back next week
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> but I'm here to provide support
[08:57] <LucidFox> Oh, and also
[08:57] <Bunbury> morning a;;
[08:57] <Bunbury> all
[08:57] <RnFstRuckHrd> Heliwr - theya re being told that it will be available then = TRUE
[08:57] <Heliwr> it will be available within 24 hours
[08:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> and also in 7 days
[08:58] <Bunbury> so countdown now says soon lol
[08:58] <LucidFox> In the restricted driver manager, when I press Activate, it says
[08:58] <LucidFox> "You are not authorized to perform this action."
[08:58] <LucidFox> Any ideas?
[08:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> morning BunBury
[08:58] <LucidFox> Sounds like a PolicyKit problem
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Heliwr: please stop trolling! redirect your burst of energy to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:58] <amereservant> LOL.
[08:58] <bbordwell> LucidFox, did it ask your password when you opened jockey?
[08:58] <LucidFox> No
[08:59] <RnFstRuckHrd> BUGabundo_remote - +1
[08:59] <LucidFox> It used to ask for it when I pressed Activate, before reinstall
[08:59] <amereservant> On that note....
[08:59] <bbordwell> LucidFox, well did it ask for it at all?
[09:00] <LucidFox> No
[09:00] <LucidFox> Just said I'm not authorized
[09:00] <bbordwell> LucidFox, try "gksu jockey-gtk"
[09:00] <mk4> say me. please. where(which site) i can get exact information about ubuntu release date?
[09:01] <LucidFox> That's a hack...
[09:01] <LucidFox> I want to get PolicyKit working
[09:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> does anyone know if mounted filesystems (through a SMB share) will stay that way thorugh my upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04?
[09:01] <bbordwell> mk4, today sometime
[09:01] <LucidFox> Meanwhile, Update Manager does correctly ask me for the password, and updates with no errors
[09:02] <RnFstRuckHrd> LucidFox - progress ;-)
[09:02] <mk4> bbordwell, thanks
[09:04] <RnFstRuckHrd> right well, off to spend the rest of my wait it peaceful slumber. night all - see you on the 10.04 side
[09:04] <LucidFox> What else uses PolicyKit that I can try?
[09:04] <LucidFox> Network Manager?
[09:05] <LucidFox> Okay, the user/group manager: pressing Add does nothing
[09:06] <LucidFox> Definitely a PolicyKit problem
[09:06] <LucidFox> And it was fine before I reinstalled Lucid from the RC ISO
[09:07] <JohnFlux> LucidFox: you can try system activity as well - ctrl+esc  and try to kill a process that you don't own
[09:07] <rob__944> Is there a way to disable the 'waiting' cursor? It's kind of annoying, because when I open Firefox or Open a file with Audacious it keeps waiting for about 10 seconds, even if the application is loaded withing a sec.
[09:07] <LucidFox> Ctrl-Esc does nothing
[09:07] <JohnFlux> LucidFox: oh, not KDE?
[09:07] <LucidFox> GNOME
[09:07] <JohnFlux> LucidFox: sorry dunno
[09:10] <allo> hi
[09:10] <allo> if any dev is here ...
[09:10] <allo> http://userbase.kde.org/Akonadi_4.4/Troubleshooting#Apparmor is still an issue in lucid rc with all updates installed
[09:10] <LucidFox> ...Oh wait
[09:10] <LucidFox> policykit isn't even *installed*
[09:11] <LucidFox> which is weird
[09:13] <arand> allo: Maybe... But ask away, anyway.
[09:13] <SandGorgon> allo, disable akonadi and ur computer will work faster
[09:13] <Mandrew> hiya ppl
[09:14] <LucidFox> ...policykit is in universe?
[09:14] <LucidFox> How does it make any sense?
[09:14] <Mandrew> at what time do they release the 10.04?
[09:14] <Bunbury> 2500 hours
[09:14] <Bunbury> :P j/k
[09:15] <Mandrew> nice need to get a new watch then
[09:15] <Mandrew> maybe one with the brand name of Bunbury
[09:16] <Bunbury> lol that would be a priceless timepiece
[09:16] <Mandrew> naa timeless ;)
[09:16] <Bunbury> lol
[09:18] <SandGorgon> does anybody know of any archiving/compress manager other than Ark for kubuntu 10.04... it really, really sucks compared to Gnome's file-roller
[09:25] <rob__418> Is there a command to rename all files in a directory to random names?
[09:25] <Ruscour7> not that i'm aware of, a script could do it though
[09:26] <rob__418> could you assist me with that? I'm not familiar with Linux...
[09:26] <RomD> rob__418: do you know a scripting language like ruby or python?
[09:26] <rob__418> No, sorry
[09:27] <RomD> well, that would have helped
[09:27] <tavasti> rob__418, do they need to be random, or is just running number ok?
[09:27] <progre55> !outyet?
[09:27] <progre55> !outyet
[09:27] <rob__418> tavasti: Number is fine, anything.
[09:27] <kwtm> rob__418: Why, yes there is.  Do you need it?
[09:28] <FeasibilityStudy> Come on, some dev here needs to send me the .iso.
[09:28] <rob__418> kwtm: Do I need what? Sorry my English is not the best.
[09:29] <kwtm> rob__418: Oh.  What language, then?  You asked "is there a program to rename a file to random names"
[09:29] <rob__418> kwtm: German :), yes that's what I need.
[09:40] <yellabs> hello there
[09:40] <yellabs> is the release today?
[09:40] <pirx> yellabs: i am waiting for it too
[09:41] <yellabs> is there some trouble , that its not out yet?
[09:41] <l3on> is there a dedicated channel ?
[09:41] <pirx> if there will be a delay, i hope they write about it on the webpage
[09:41] <yellabs> i have the time, so its not really a problem
[09:41] <yellabs> might be a time difference?
[09:42] <yellabs> thats causing the delay?
[09:43] <yellabs> pirx : we can start by reading about 10.04
[09:43] <yellabs> there is an very nice pdf book, have you seen it?
[09:44] <pirx> yellabs: nope
[09:44] <yellabs> okey, i sent it ?
[09:44] <yellabs> http://ubuntu-manual.org/ubuntu-manual-beta.pdf
[09:45] <yellabs> really cool project, dont you think?
[09:45] <yellabs> hmm, just love open source
[09:45] <pirx> thye only thing i will need to know is 1. how do i change so that the window buttons are on the right side, and 2. will a 10.04 server beta be able to be upgraded to the final version without problems :)
[09:46] <yellabs> for the first question , bookmark this page here
[09:46] <yellabs> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[09:46] <yellabs> you can also print it to an pdf file, and read it later
[09:47] <yellabs> for the second, back up all data of your server, then upgrade, this is ,and will alway's be a tricky thing to do...no ,matter what brand you are using
[09:48] <yellabs> if you are not in a hurry, i would wait untill
[09:48] <yellabs> its a bit clearer as to what bugs are still in there..
[09:50] <pirx> yellabs: i got two weeks to test 10.04 on the new server:)
[09:51] <yellabs> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades
[09:51] <yellabs> good
[09:51] <RomD> rob__418: ruby -e "Dir['*'].each {|f| File.rename(f, (0...8).map{97.+(rand(25)).chr}.join + '.' + f.split('.').last) }"
[09:51] <RomD> you need ruby installed
[09:51] <yellabs> okey , i am off to do some work
[09:52] <yellabs> see you and good luck
[09:52] <rob__418> RomD: thank you!
[09:53] <RomD> np
[09:59] <bp0> how much ram should you have to go without swap?
[10:11] <Rahux> Hi guys - I was wondering if someone can give me advise on how to report a Lucid alpha->beta regression? My bluetooth keyboard/mouse no longer work.
[10:11] <bp0> omg too late Rahux !
[10:11] <Rahux> snap =p
[10:12] <Bunbury> lol
[10:12] <Rahux> snooze you lose I guess - but might be useful for the future..there seems to be an easy workaround
[10:12] <bp0> :)
[10:13] <Rahux> still worth throwing it in somewhere? It was fine on the alphas, but with beta and RC, a dialog comes up asking if I want to grant permission to the bluetooth device.. and unfortunately, w ithout my bluetooth input devices, I can grant no access
[10:14] <Bunbury> use a psr/usb spare to do it?
[10:14] <Bunbury> ps2
[10:14] <Rahux> yeah that's what I plan to do .. was just feeling a little lazy and thought I'd file a report in the mean time
[10:14] <Rahux> though obviously probably not going to be much use for this release
[10:16] <westinghouse> bananas are required to meow
[10:17] <Bunbury> huh
[10:17] <vish> anyone know how to find the PCI address of my graphics card?
[10:18] <popey> vish: lspci -n
[10:18] <mikehh> vish: lspci in a terminal window
[10:20] <vish> thanks guys.. so 00:1c.0  and sort is the addr..
[10:21] <theadmin> Something weird with network manager here
[10:22] <theadmin> Connection was lost (nothing was working), yet it still thought it's there
[10:22] <vish> theadmin: it disconnects on its own?
[10:22] <vish> heh , mine is different issue then ;p
[10:22] <westinghouse> yeah song for guy is great but he died
[10:23] <Rahux> crap. This was not as easy as anticipated - granting access is not enough
[10:24] <Rahux> it makes the receive behave like a standard bluetooth hub - one that doesn't like the keyboard and mouse that it is bundled with
[10:25]  * Rahux sighs
[10:26] <mikehh> Rahux: what keyboard and mouse are you using
[10:27] <Rahux> Logitech MX Desktop Revolutions
[10:27] <Rahux> Revolution*
[10:29] <Rahux> just checked: Cordless Desktop MX 5500 Revolution - http://www.logitech.com/en-au/keyboards/keyboard_mice_combos/devices/3481
[10:30] <mikehh> Rahux: just wondering - I have - Bus 003 Device 003: ID 045e:00f9 Microsoft Corp. Wireless Desktop Receiver 3.1
[10:31] <Rahux> is that bluetooth also?
[10:32] <mikehh> Rehux: haven't a clue, I would asume so
[10:33] <Rahux> a lot of them use radio not bluetooth - the bluetooth ones tend to be quite (over)pricey - I just got lucky ending up with this because logitech lost my actual desktop combo when they sent it for repair
[10:33] <Rahux> so they sent me this sexy new kit
[10:34] <hemanth> is libgjs0 missing in rc? gnome-shell dependency
[10:34] <mikehh> My son has a few Logitech desktops, but he is still on 9.10 so I haven't heard of any problems there
[10:35] <arand> !info libgjs0 | hemanth
[10:36] <Rahux> yeah I used alpha 3 without a problem.. when I tried the final beta the problem started but I was so busy I didn't have time to report
[10:36] <Rahux> and I just tried the RC and to my terror, I had the same issue
[10:36] <Rahux> now I'm kicking myself for not reporting earlier lol
[10:36] <hemanth> arand, gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed E: Broken packages, you suggest apt-get install libgjs0?
[10:37] <arand> hemanth: use aptitude and see what it claims to be broken
[10:39] <hemanth> arand, okies, updating aptitude
[10:41] <echosystm> WHERE DA NEW UBUNTUS AT
[10:41] <rohan> lol, echosystm
[10:41] <echosystm> do you have them rohan?
[10:41] <echosystm> are you hiding them all to yourself?
[10:41] <rohan> yes
[10:42] <mikehh> Rahux: just checked - mine uses RF rather than Bluetooth
[10:42] <echosystm> ive been refreshing my browser all day
[10:42] <coz_> echosystm,  I dont think it is officially released yet
[10:42] <rohan> echosystm: try to swipe them off your /dev/null
[10:43] <hemanth> arand, score 20 on downgrade on xulrunner!
[10:43] <echosystm> coz_, its meant to be coming out today
[10:43] <coz_> echosystm,  right but my guess is that this channel will not exist when it is released :)
[10:43] <arand> hemanth: Have you install that from some unofficial repo?
[10:44] <echosystm> my isps mirror synced quite late today
[10:44] <coz_> echosystm,  so when you are redirected to #ubuntu you will know it is released :)
[10:44] <echosystm> perhaps the repo is already in release state
[10:44] <mikehh> Rahux: I am sure there must be some other users of the Logitech Cordless Desktops
[10:44] <hemanth> arand, no, but my repo list is pretty big, some other dep might have been xulrunner, is there a way to find out which guy installed this ?
[10:45] <Rahux> mikehh: One would think so.. I guess the first week or 2 will show us
[10:45] <arand> hemanth: apt-cache xulrunner will tell you which versions are available and which are installed
[10:46] <Rahux> though it is rather annoying.. if I tinker with it I'm sure there must be a way to use an older bluetooth module or something.. haha though I should probably be studying for my emergency medicine exams :P
[10:46] <hemanth> arand, its says E: Invalid operation xulrunner; but i have xulrunner-1.9.2
[10:47] <arand> hemanth: Ah, sorry, "apt-cache policy xulrunner"
[10:48] <hemanth> arand, Installed: (none), Candidate: (none), but aptitude suggests an upgrade when i try to install gnome-shell, very strange
[10:49] <c3l> whats up with the new release? why isnt it out yet?
[10:49] <c3l> is it the graphics driver issue slowing it down?
[10:49] <arand> hemanth: check that it isn't xulrunner.0 xulrunner1 or something...
[10:49] <lightbricko> c3l: It is supposed to be released "sometime" today, and today is not ovvr yet.
[10:49] <lightbricko> over
[10:49] <c3l> aha, I see. thanks
[10:50] <coz_> c3l,  as I mentioned before... it is more than likely this channel wont be here   you will be redirected to #ubuntu when it is released
[10:50] <lightbricko> c3l check #ubuntu-release-party.
[10:52] <c3l> nice
[10:54] <robban_> Anyone else having problem with external usb disks, only accessible for owner i.e. can't be shared using e.g. samba
[10:54] <mikehh> Rahux: I was going to try a Wave Cordless Desktop my son has, but that is also 2.4 GHz wireless, not bluetooth, sorry
[10:55] <pirx> looks like a dist-upgrade on a lucid-beta server brings it up to LTS
[10:55] <Fudge> im on rc1 and dist-upgrade says im up to date, how can i tell if its already updated?
[10:55] <Ken8521_> pirx, well yeah
[10:56] <Ken8521_> Fudge, what do you mean?... if you ran dist-upgrade, and it says you're up to date, then you're up to date.
[10:56] <Rahux> mikehh: Thanks anyway - I think I'll try and hti the books for now.. hopefully I can work out who to harrass this weekend =p
[10:56] <Fudge> but i hadnt run it before so thought shoudl still be rc1, i have updated and upgraded how ever
[10:57] <Ken8521_> well, there you go.
[10:57] <Rahux> take care
[10:57] <pirx> Fudge: what does this say?  cat /etc/lsb-release | grep DESCR
[10:57] <Mandrew> anyone here that know what the power consumption on a 5400rpm hdd?
[10:58] <Mandrew> is*
[10:59] <Fudge> LTS :D
[10:59] <Fudge> that was easy
[11:00] <Ken8521_> Fudge, you'd have got the same thing with lsb_release -a
[11:01] <HawkMan_> Need soome tips to activate compiz/effects on my atom/ion system, I got working Nvidia drivers installed. and it asks if I want to keep my settings, but when I answer yes it's still just basic.
[11:01] <pvandewyngaerde> anyone else getting an errormessage when using the loadkeys command ??  it only works as root for me
[11:03] <mikehh> Mandrew: which drive
[11:03] <Mandrew> in generall
[11:04] <Mandrew> what im trying to compare is the power consumption on a hdd 5400 rpm vs a ssd
[11:04] <Fudge> thanks
[11:04] <bp0> release delayed
[11:05] <Mandrew> if im bettter of with a ssd
[11:05] <mikehh> Mandrew: look at http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?driveid=773 - bottom of page - i.e. read/write = 6.0 watts
[11:05] <Mandrew> man thats a big dif the ssd im looking at have a 2 Watt when its getting used
[11:06] <mikehh> that's called solid state rather than moving parts :-}
[11:07] <mikehh> Mandrew: yeah but how much does a 2TB SSD drive cost?
[11:07] <Mandrew> i might even get more out of my battery with a ssd
[11:07] <Mandrew> i dont need that in my netbook thoug ;)
[11:08] <Mandrew> i need boot speed wright speed and better battery
[11:08] <mikehh> get an external drive for extra storage and backup
[11:08] <hemanth> arand, sorry for the delay, but i'm positive about the version
[11:10] <arand> hemanth: If aptitude only shows an upgrade as the broke-fix, it should be ok to follow through with it a would guess...
[11:10] <lapion> Hmm I use a 8GB  CF acrd in stead of a harddiskdrive
[11:11] <hemanth> arand, okies will take the risk :) thank you
[11:11] <Mandrew> is that faster then a hdd
[11:11] <lapion> well I am getting 40GB read speeds
[11:12] <lapion> 40Mb/s
[11:12] <Mandrew> thats nice :P
[11:12] <lapion> only the writing speeds is realy slow
[11:12] <lapion> so slow I have to use a ramdisk for the firefox profile
[11:13] <Mandrew> sorry but i need to split  now c ya ppl l8r
[11:13] <Mandrew> thanks for the info lapion
[11:13] <lapion> but that's because it's an old card
[11:16] <lapion> the beauty about it that to connect a cf card to an ide controller all you need is a 1:1 adaptor
[11:16] <lapion> however only for P-ATA
[11:18] <unknown__> hello, since yesterday I'm getting strange problem. After I reboot PC, I need to change USB port for my mouse, otherwise it doesn't work. Do you know what can cause that?
[11:19] <unknown__> maybe some advice what logs should I provide..
[11:20] <unknown__> btw. mouse is logitech mx air if its matter..
[11:21] <lapion> At boot I sometimes have the same problem with ubuntu-64
[11:21] <unknown__> lapion: yes, my is also x64 :/
[11:21] <lapion> I have to reconnect keyboardhub
[11:22] <lapion> that is diconnect reconnect
[11:22] <unknown__> the last time when I swap ports, keyboard has stopped to respond
[11:22] <unknown__> If I use the same port, it doesn't work, I need to change to other
[11:22] <lapion> keyboard is my hub for the mouse
[11:23] <lapion> takes a long time tpo activate the port if I use the same port
[11:24] <bullgard4> Why did my Lucid RC install the DEB program package gnupg and not gnupg2?
[11:26] <kjele> bullgard4: Intended or bug
[11:26] <lapion> I have to be off..
[11:26] <cozziemoto> oooo very strange ...no wallpaper with today's updates  :)
[11:26] <kirai> salut
[11:27] <bullgard4> kjele: Your answer was not helpful.
[11:27] <om26er> why are we still on GNOME Terminal 2.29.6 ?
[11:28] <cozziemoto> anyone here use secure-delete?
[11:28] <kjele> bullgard4: Well if you do not need gnupg2 then it is intended but if you need it then it is a bug.
[11:28] <vistakiller> anyone else have suspend problem?
[11:29] <kjele> vistakiller: What video driver you using?
[11:29] <om26er> vistakiller, its a notebook?
[11:29] <vistakiller> nvidia binary
[11:29] <vistakiller> no dekstop 285gtx
[11:29] <vistakiller> is break from alpha 3
[11:29] <kjele> vistakiller: They ought to have problems.
[11:29] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[11:29] <vistakiller> was work great two years now
[11:30] <kjele> vistakiller: nvidia faults
[11:30] <vistakiller> any solution?
[11:30] <vistakiller> to edit grub or anything else?
[11:30] <cozziemoto> whoa trying to change background is opening a limitless number of file manager windows minimized o0
[11:31] <lapion> I had to chkdsk my ntfs partition for grub to recognise it
[11:31] <ikey> ...grub not recognising other OS's? o_o
[11:31] <ikey> wow.
[11:32] <kiall> lapion, thats the bug holding up 10.04 ;)
[11:32] <kiall> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[11:32] <kjele> vistakiller: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/510004
[11:32] <vistakiller> is not work at all kjele
[11:32] <ikey> gotta admit..
[11:32] <ikey> Not exactly bugs
[11:32] <ikey> More like insane flaws.
[11:33] <BUGabundo_remote> oh damn :( 10.04.1
[11:33] <ikey> Hope to God they don't release with those issues..
[11:33] <kiall> ikey, the grub one, IMO, is a feature rather than a bug!
[11:33] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, kubuntu ruled out, desktop UNE for a respin but still only xubuntu is left I think
[11:33] <ikey> kiall: Yeah that don't wash with me.
[11:33] <ikey> lol
[11:33] <kiall> ;)
[11:33] <kjele> vistakiller: click on the link and read the bug report
[11:33] <ikey> Unless you argued that they were solving bug #1
[11:33] <vistakiller> i just read it
[11:33] <ikey> xD
[11:33] <vistakiller> i have this problem with binary driver form nvidia
[11:33] <vistakiller> in 9.10
[11:34] <vistakiller> i have update my driver to new from ppa
[11:34] <vistakiller> and i have fix the problem
[11:34] <vistakiller> the suspend works fine from then in 9.10
[11:34] <vistakiller> after i have upgrade to lucid and after one week the suspend stops to work
[11:35] <kjele> vistakiller: The bug report is for lucid
[11:35] <cousin_mario> hello
[11:35] <cousin_mario> release ETA?
[11:35] <ZykoticK9> cousin_mario, no one knows - sometime today
[11:35] <cozziemoto> hey guys after update this morning  I get   http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot.png    the actual desktop image flashes for about 2 seconds when starting compiz then goes back that that
[11:36] <cousin_mario> ok
[11:36] <vistakiller> i see it was begin from jaunty
[11:37] <vistakiller> is any bug fix or in this version i will forgot suspend?
[11:37] <BUGabundo_remote> vistakiller: purge the PPA
[11:37] <joaopinto> argh, we have an emergency delay :( ?
[11:38] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: yes :(
[11:38] <vistakiller> i think to install newest nvidia driver from ppa
[11:40] <joaopinto> likely to be a +1 delay ?
[11:41] <arand> joaopinto: How come?
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[11:41] <vistakiller> just upload a fix for plymouth in proposed
[11:41] <Lazy^> Lucid works perfectly, update-manager offered stable version for me =)
[11:43] <brosen> Hello. I may be blind, but how do I change the font size for IRC in Telepathy?
[11:44] <pakete> is it out yet?
[11:44] <Jaymac> pakete, i am sure you can answer that yourself :)
[11:44] <fromspace> no
[11:45] <joaopinto> arand, not sure, I am assuming the iso respinning will cascace into a mirror synchronization delay
[11:45] <joaopinto> cascade
[11:45] <joaopinto> it must have been an hard decision
[11:45] <pakete> so when???
[11:45] <ZykoticK9> pakete,  no one knows - sometime today
[11:45] <joaopinto> or tomorrow :P
[11:45] <pakete> it's been so aited for...we can't wait any longer
[11:45] <Jaymac> joaopinto, what's happened with the mirrors?
[11:45] <coz_> pakete,  when you log onto t his channel and you are redirected to #ubuntu you will know for sure it has been released :)
[11:45] <pakete> we need it NOW
[11:45] <pakete> =)))
[11:46] <arand> joaopinto: Oh, is there any ref. for it, and what caused it?
[11:46] <Jaymac> pakete, you already have it if you're running the RC
[11:46] <joaopinto> arand, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2010-04-29-Late-respin-for-bug-570765
[11:46] <HagenaarsDotNu> pakete, how often are you going to ask? Reminds me of me and my sister in the car ('are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?', 'are we there yet?')
[11:46] <BUGabundo_remote> pakete: $ update-manager -d
[11:46] <BUGabundo_remote> don't need to wait
[11:46] <BUGabundo_remote> bye
[11:46] <ikey> pakete: while 0; do sleep 5 && wget -O - http://www.ubuntu.com | grep -i "released" ; done
[11:46] <lightbricko> What is the difference between the latest RC and the final release that will be released today?
[11:47] <ikey> Eventually you'll find out.
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> ikey: don't abuse the servers... ok?
[11:47] <joaopinto> !final | lightbricko
[11:47] <Jaymac> joaopinto, looks like a good decision... would have been crazy to release 10.04 with a grub but
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> subscribe announce mailinglist
[11:47] <Jaymac> bug*
[11:47] <ikey> BUGabundo_remote: oh come on every 5 seconds?
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> you will get an email as soon as it is out
[11:47] <ikey> Fine. 120 seconds.
[11:47] <mrp> when will the new website comelive?
[11:47] <BUGabundo_remote> ikey: make that 80M ppl
[11:47] <joaopinto> Jaymac, stilll an hard decision because it affects a minimal portion of users :P
[11:47] <ikey> 80 minutes?
[11:47] <ikey> ._.
[11:47] <lightbricko> joaopinto: I see
[11:47] <Jaymac> joaopinto, yeah but i think it was the right call... a lot of people dual boot
[11:48] <joaopinto> dual boot users without an internet connection :)
[11:48] <BUGabundo_remote> 80 milio
[11:48] <BUGabundo_remote> 80 milion
[11:48] <ikey> ...lol.
[11:48] <coz_> is anyone getting this  http://dl.dropbox.com/u/132551/screenshots/Screenshot.png after this mornings  updates?   the desktop image will flash on for about 2 seconds when starting compiz then back to that :)
[11:48] <arand> joaopinto: Ah, well definitely the right call I'd say.
[11:48] <Jaymac> so i imagine if it comes out today, it will be 23:59 in Hawaii :)
[11:49] <mrp> is it utc?
[11:49] <vega> there should be some kind of autokick that detects "is it out yet" questions
[11:49] <ikey> lol
[11:49] <Jaymac> why people don't just check the website is beyond me :)
[11:49] <stevecam> are there complications with releasing the new ubuntu?
[11:49] <pakete> ha
[11:50] <ikey> Jaymac: For the exact same reason people don't google their issue before asking in support channels
[11:50] <ikey> That would require initiative and effort
[11:50] <pakete> i ran RC - i disliked it for its minor sucky bugs...
[11:50] <lukehasnoname> Iced Earth: great band.
[11:50] <Jaymac> ikey, i can sympathise with that sometimes, depending on the competence of the user - it can be easier to be talked through something than read instructions
[11:51] <Jaymac> ikey, but no excuse for "Is it out yet?" :)
[11:51] <ikey> aye
[11:51] <pakete> well
[11:51] <lightbricko> Jaymac: Would be even worse to write "it is out".
[11:51] <ikey> heh.
[11:51] <stevecam> is there a problem that the community could help fix
[11:51] <pakete> well...
[11:52] <ikey> stevecam: ehh..
[11:52] <ikey> "Ubuntu is an operating system built by a worldwide team of expert developers."
[11:52] <Jaymac> stevecam, it has been fixed afaik
[11:52] <ikey> So... no.
[11:52] <pakete> there'd better be a difference between Rc and final
[11:52] <pakete> cause RC has sucky minor bugs
[11:52] <stevecam> ok, just noticed it was taking a while
[11:52] <pakete> which hopefully will be non-present in final
[11:52] <joaopinto> pakete, if you care about those, you have reported them, and youa re aware if they were fixed or not
[11:52] <lightbricko> pakete: Even the fully updated version of RC?
[11:52] <coz_> pakete,  there will be ... maybe with release my webcam will not work  :)
[11:53] <coz_> as usual
[11:53] <ikey> Is that the big bad bug then?
[11:53] <pakete> nonono...everything works just fine, besides plymouth...which always blackscreens, unlike when you use it live from flash stick
[11:53] <ikey> Just the grub issue?
[11:53] <ikey> pakete: Plymouth is more trouble than its worth.
[11:54] <ikey> Add that to the KMS issues, intel i8xxx issues, ATi legacy issues
[11:54] <pakete> like 2-3 seconds of black screen before giving boot splash
[11:54] <joaopinto> ikey, right, but it's not optional anyway
[11:54] <pakete> that is minor but sucky bug\
[11:54] <stevecam> maybe the release will be forcing people to use signed hardware drivers and will only have a 30-day trial period
[11:54] <ikey> Read: 60,000 distressed users.
[11:55] <pakete> all the rest is fine...so i will try final of course, if not solved - i guess i ll downgrade to windows 3.11, as a part of revenge ))) sort of
[11:55] <ovis> hello
[11:55] <pakete> hi ovis
[11:55] <ikey> s/down/up/
[11:55] <pakete> whasap
[11:55] <stevecam> lol at PartyBot1 increasing by an hour every time
[11:55] <ovis> could you help me
[11:55] <ovis> like
[11:56] <ovis> i installed virtualbox
[11:56] <ovis> installed windows on it
[11:56] <pakete> sure what's the problem
[11:56] <ovis> and the sound on linux stoped working
[11:56] <clemyeats> hi ikey
[11:56] <Ganymede> !enter
[11:56] <ikey> hi
[11:56] <pakete> have you tried recent updates? or donwgrades?
[11:56] <BUGabundo_remote> 500 users in here :(
[11:56] <clemyeats> and Suhana
[11:56] <ovis> yea
[11:56] <BUGabundo_remote> no rest today :|
[11:57] <Suhana> hola ;)
[11:57] <pakete> make sure you ue latest update manager installed
[11:57] <ovis> like when i go to sound preferences
[11:57] <ikey> Alternatively install VirtualBox from the Sun website.
[11:57] <ovis> in hardware tab is no any hardware
[11:57] <BUGabundo_remote> ovis: can you type everything in a single line?
[11:57] <ikey> Check package regressions too..
[11:58] <ovis> ok
[11:58] <pakete> yeah...you don't actually need hardware for this...
[11:58] <vega> keep in mind that virtualbox from sun website with USB support doesn't work well with ubuntu 10.04 (the USB part i mean)
[11:58] <vega> otherwise it is ok
[11:58] <ikey> Better then the OSE vega ;)
[11:58] <ovis> it worked fine
[11:58] <ikey> Right so its *stopped* working, as opposed to not working
[11:58] <pakete> and make sure you install latest security updates and if you want anti-virus update kit )))
[11:58] <ikey> So somethings changed :)
[11:58] <vega> ikey: well not for me, since only reason to use it is with USB support..
[11:58] <ovis> when i installed lynx the sound was working perfect all things started when i updated and installed virtualbox
[11:59] <ikey> vega: which OSE doesnt have. Therefore Sun > OSE
[11:59] <vega> yeah
[11:59] <ikey> s/Sun/Oracles-play-thing/
[11:59] <ikey> Is that the last remaining hold up though? The grub bug?
[12:00]  * ikey notes a grub is a type of bug
[12:00] <_bt> just upgraded and my mixer applet has disappeared. any ideas?
[12:00] <ikey> right click the panel → add to panel
[12:00] <ikey> check for the mixer applet
[12:00] <_bt> its not there
[12:00] <clemyeats> _bt: it's not an applet anymore, it's an indicator.
[12:00] <ikey> the me-menu thing?
[12:00] <ZykoticK9> ikey, if you need USB in VBox PUEL versions you can see my notes at http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox -- keep in mind this was from an Alpha version of Lucid - things may have changed
[12:00] <clemyeats> _bt: check sound-indicator
[12:00] <_bt> clemyeats: how do i access this?
[12:00] <ovis> btw
[12:00] <ikey> ZykoticK9: danke
[12:00] <clemyeats> _bt: you install it and add the indicator applet to your panel.
[12:01] <ovis> how to sync iphone apps on ubuntu ?
[12:01] <_bt> Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "sound-indicator"
[12:01] <clemyeats> _bt: aptitude search indicator
[12:01] <stevecam> lol @ iphone
[12:01] <BUGabundo_remote> ovis: you buy a mac
[12:01] <_bt> clemyeats: its indicator-sound :D
[12:01] <clemyeats> _bt: ;)
[12:02] <_bt> unsure how to add this though, it is installed
[12:02] <clemyeats> _bt: ok, right click the panel, add to, and then "indicator whatever applet"
[12:02] <ikey> lol.
[12:02] <_bt> ahhhh well would you look at that. i added "indicator applet" and it added my mixer and evolution mail icon. thanks!
[12:03] <ikey> Mixer and evolution mail?
[12:03] <ikey> I fail to see the relationship between the two.
[12:03] <ikey> At all
[12:03] <_bt> me neither
[12:03] <_bt> but that's what happened :D
[12:03] <BUGabundo_remote> "Are you proposing slipping the 10.04 release for this? Do you realize it takes 2 days to respin ISOs, thus making this a 10.05 release?" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765/comments/31
[12:03] <clemyeats> _bt: you're welcome.
[12:04] <clemyeats> _bt: you can get rid of the mail icon btw.. if you want.
[12:04] <ikey> wow
[12:04] <ikey> Read that as Robbie Williams
[12:04] <Suhana> ^^
[12:04] <_bt> clemyeats if i do that it removes both
[12:04] <ikey> it prolly has some options _bt
[12:04] <ikey> Cue: Right click
[12:04] <clemyeats> _bt: no, you can get rid of the mail icon on its own and keep the other one.
[12:04] <clemyeats> ikey: it doesn't .... let me find the info again.
[12:05]  * clemyeats checks his notes
[12:05] <ikey> kk
[12:05] <ikey> It's not gonna work on my machine at all
[12:05] <ikey> I just know it.
[12:05] <_bt> clemyeats they are not independent for me. if i remove 1 the other goes too. no right click options aside from "move, lock, remove, add"
[12:05] <ikey> ATi issue..
[12:05] <clemyeats> ikey: it will :)
[12:05] <ikey> this one wont.
[12:05] <ikey> xD
[12:05] <ikey> Mind you I've gotta get a new box anyway..
[12:05] <ikey> This one is teetering on the edge of recycling..
[12:06] <Suhana> aka tossing out the top window?
[12:06] <clemyeats> well I've removed it... let me just find out how to do it again.
[12:06] <ikey> Suhana: yeah
[12:06] <ikey> From the highest window of the highest tower with the passion of a drink-deprived-paddy
[12:06] <Suhana> hehe
[12:06] <ZykoticK9> _bt, if you want to remove the mail icon only -- uninstall indicator-messages
[12:06] <_bt> thank you
[12:06] <clemyeats> _bt: sudo apt-get remove indicator-messages
[12:06] <clemyeats> ^^ikey
[12:07] <ikey> gotcha
[12:07] <ikey> ta
[12:07] <clemyeats> oh.. thanks ZykoticK9 :)
[12:08] <ZykoticK9> _bt, i didn't like that icon at first either - but it turns green on messages/mail/xchat (if you install the xchat plugin) - it's pretty handy really
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765/comments/36
[12:09] <ikey> xchat plugin? oh god no..
[12:09] <_bt> ZykoticK9: i do use xchat, i have the xchat applet, are you saying i can consolidate this?
[12:09] <ikey> They butchered that too? :(
[12:09] <ZykoticK9> _bt, if you install xchat-gnome-indicator then it will turn that mail icon green when you get an xchat message
[12:10] <_bt> whoooops
[12:11] <cheche> I saw the bug 570765 and comment in this channel, but I was told to just grub-update
[12:12] <cheche> it is a shame that this delays the release..
[12:13] <BUGabundo_lunch> maybe not
[12:13] <BUGabundo_lunch> just a few houors
[12:13] <BUGabundo_lunch> or in the worse case, tomorrow
[12:15] <ikey> brb
[12:15] <cheche> BUGabundo_lunch:  a few hours for sure. they  decided to respin the 32bit and 64bit CDs
[12:18] <clemyeats> that's one critical bug alright..
[12:18] <clemyeats> I'm glad they finally settled on a respin.
[12:18] <Jeeves_> Yeah.
[12:20] <cheche> how long it takes?
[12:20] <clemyeats> to respin?
[12:21] <Jeeves_> Several hours, i think. Stuff needs to be checked as well
[12:21] <clemyeats> couple of hours.. the biggest problem is to ensure all mirrors synched the "new" version.. that depends on whether they sync at the same time or not.
[12:21] <clemyeats> and then there's testing... half a day to do it properly.
[12:21] <Jeeves_> And also, the new iso's must be distributed again
[12:22] <cheche> so posibly late today.
[12:22] <clemyeats> to be honest it's more than a day altogether.
[12:22] <mondr> question, does anyone know under the desktop wall plugin of compiz, what is multi-monitor behaviour meant to do?
[12:22] <pakete> have to report, there is no option available on my laptop when trying to adjust special effects
[12:28] <stevecam> does PartyBot1 have a typo its its messages?
[12:29] <switchgirl> is it out today?
[12:30] <yofel> !outyet
[12:30] <yofel> haha, not quite right answer...
[12:30] <tux_> is it out?
[12:30] <tux_> :P
[12:30] <switchgirl> ubottu, itnIS the 29th april
[12:31] <niekie> ubottu: you're more intellegent than you think you are. :)
[12:31] <stevecam> i thought that it was obvious that it wasn't out yet
[12:31] <niekie> *chuckles*
[12:31] <hdtdi> am hello. can someone tell me where is 10.4 lts? it sais today.. but in the site is stil rc
[12:32] <vega> sigh
[12:32] <clemyeats> :)
[12:32] <clemyeats> !outyet
[12:32] <vega> hdtdi: does it occur to you that there's still hours left in "29th april" ?
[12:32] <vega> also, google for "timezones"
[12:33] <hdtdi> vega, uf.. im in europe.. here is 13:00 pm 29 april
[12:33] <clemyeats> hdtdi: there was a bug and a decision was taken to respin the ISOs so it might not happen today, hard to say.
[12:34] <hdtdi> hmm thanks
[12:36] <BiggFREE> Hi
[12:37] <coz_> BiggFREE,  hey
[12:38] <coz_> would someone check if they have secure-delete installed and if there is an   smem option on 64 bit?
[12:39] <switchgirl> bleachbit is broken http://paste.ubuntu.com/424563/
[12:39] <switchgirl> :(
[12:40] <coz_> switchgirl,   have you trid
[12:40] <coz_> switchgirl, have you tried secure-delete?
[12:42] <switchgirl> coz_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/424564/ no but now you mention it...
[12:43] <abhijain> is 10.4 fianl iso is released??
[12:44] <coz_> switchgirl,  mmm   intesting   apparently secure-delet is not working well either    you could try  smem -ll -v  to see if it frees memory cache  but I cant find the man page for it here either
[12:44] <jrib> !party | abhijain
[12:44] <switchgirl> !party
[12:44] <abhijain> confuse with download which is better for download alpha1 or beta
[12:44] <jrib> abhijain: rc or daily
[12:45] <switchgirl> !dance
[12:45] <jrib> abhijain: these are NOT final releases
[12:45] <abhijain> jrib: so now give me link for download
[12:45] <switchgirl> !get-drunk
[12:45] <jrib> abhijain: ubuntu.com/testing
[12:45] <abhijain> jrib: last day you told me that 2day is final releasing
[12:46] <jrib> abhijain: yes, sometime later today
[12:46] <coz_> abhijain,  this channle will be closed when it is released and you should be redirected to #ubuntu channel
[12:47] <abhijain> jrib:  i will back here once again
[12:47] <jrib> abhijain: ok
[12:49] <obscurant1st> lucid was supposed to come today right?
[12:49] <pakete> it is out now
[12:49] <pakete> check repositories
[12:49] <switchgirl> obscurant1st, phanaphana
[12:49] <Ganymede> today isn't over
[12:50] <obscurant1st> pakete, ubuntu.com shows RC
[12:50] <obscurant1st> switchgirl, i dint get you!
[12:50] <pakete> RC stands for really complete
[12:50] <obscurant1st> pakete, lol
[12:50] <pakete> so...
[12:50] <switchgirl> no. you wont, unless you're british
[12:51] <obscurant1st> Ganymede, ok, ll wait today is over!
[12:51] <BiggFREE> bbl
[12:51] <obscurant1st> switchgirl, no, i ma not british, so why dont you tell me what it is!
[12:52] <obscurant1st> pakete, btw you asked me to check repositeries, how can i check it?
[12:52] <pakete> just run sudo -s in console
[12:52] <iceroot> obscurant1st: check packages.gz if it has a new timestamp (some hours ago) the grub-fix was the last one
[12:52] <pakete> it will automaticall check
[12:53] <pakete> but you have to install the update kit and check your pc/or any for malware
[12:53] <ikey> lol @ malware
[12:53] <pakete> exactly ikey!
[12:54] <pakete> sudo -s do check malwar
[12:54] <Suhana> mal-ware? wozzat?
[12:54] <pakete> e*
[12:54] <ikey> wut.
[12:54] <switchgirl> obscurant1st, its a cartoon refrance people say it when they spot innuendo :P
[12:54] <ikey> Suhana: "lol @ malware" means I found it funny
[12:54] <Suhana> :D
[12:54] <obscurant1st> pakete, update kit ll sudo apt-get install update-kit do?
[12:54] <pakete> right
[12:54] <ikey> Perhaps I would've been more clear by saying "HAHAHAHAHAHA OMFG THATS EPIC @ malware". Who knows :)
[12:55] <pakete> and don't forget to sudo do check malware afterwards
[12:55] <ikey> huh?
[12:55]  * ikey wonders if people have forgotten the joys of the strings command..
[12:55] <ikey> *sigh*
[12:56] <complience> whats time is the release going to be out?
[12:56] <pakete> it is going to be...
[12:56] <ikey> complience: N o'clock
[12:56] <obscurant1st> pakete, why to check for malwares?
[12:56] <pakete> as soon as it is out - it will be there
[12:56] <complience> N?
[12:56] <ikey> Number.
[12:56] <pakete> iproise
[12:56] <ikey> Non-decided
[12:56] <pakete> ipromise
[12:56] <complience> oh i see
[12:56] <complience> but today?
[12:56] <ikey> Basically it'll be out some time today
[12:56] <ikey> When it gets here
[12:56] <ikey> No set time
[12:56] <_bt> its out already if you look hard enough
[12:56] <_bt> which is not really that hard at all
[12:57]  * ikey doesnt' care :)
[12:57] <ikey> *doesn't
[12:57] <complience> ah ha,
[12:57] <_bt> it took me around 5 seconds to locate it
[12:57] <complience> great
[12:57] <pakete> when everyone completes the check for malware
[12:57] <_bt> i don't either
[12:57] <pakete> and use update kit
[12:57] <ikey> update kit? ..
[12:57] <pakete> yes
[12:57] <pakete> the one from #windows
[12:58] <ikey> ._.
[12:58] <pakete> the update kit checks for malware
[12:58] <ikey> lol wouldnt surprise me if it _is_ malware
[12:58] <ikey> xD
[12:58] <Suhana> hang on ... an update kit on windows .. checks for malware on a linux system now?
[12:58] <Suhana> oh my
[12:59] <ikey> ya.
[12:59] <ikey> Brave new world.
[12:59] <pakete> yes
[12:59] <ikey> psst: (that was sarcasm)
[12:59] <pakete> it provides system sustainability also
[13:00] <pakete> windows defender and so on...
[13:00] <ikey> mk. brb
[13:01] <pakete> in order to install it - you go sudo -s do update do update kit
[13:01] <pakete> then you type sudo -s do check malware
[13:02] <pakete> after that you ll be able to update to latest release
[13:02] <pakete> which is ouut
[13:02] <pakete> it IS out there
[13:02] <bazhang> pakete, please stop that
[13:03] <pakete> np
[13:03] <JohnnyAmerica> sudo -s
[13:03] <JohnnyAmerica> :)
[13:03] <pakete> sure
[13:03] <pakete> =)
[13:04] <pakete> it is like no problem!
[13:04] <becomingGuru> So how long until the 10.04 release
[13:04] <pakete> sudo -s = no problem
[13:04] <becomingGuru> My new Dell Studio is waiting for me to install Ubuntu
[13:04] <pakete> be patient
[13:04] <pakete> it is out there
[13:04] <charlie-tca> !final becomingGuru
[13:04] <pakete> it is coming...will be here as possible
[13:04] <charlie-tca> !final | becomingGuru
[13:05] <bazhang> pakete, its NOT out.
[13:05] <charlie-tca> Sorry
[13:05] <pakete> it is OUT THERE
[13:05] <pakete> not yet here
[13:05] <charlie-tca> !outyet | becomingGuru
[13:05] <bazhang> pakete, take chat to #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:05] <pakete> i mean it is out there, like something is always out there
[13:05] <becomingGuru> charlie-tca, Yea, I know... I downloaded the rc for that reason... But the failed the md5 checksum... So, I got to download it again, or...
[13:06] <charlie-tca> somethime today, utc time
[13:06] <becomingGuru> wait for a while to download the final version
[13:06] <pakete> some say it is not gonna be different from RC
[13:06] <charlie-tca> pakete: that would be inaccurate
[13:06] <pakete> so if you have RC you may not worry - just use update kit for critical updates
[13:06] <becomingGuru> The rc I downloaded failed the md5 checksum...
[13:06] <bazhang> pakete, what is update kit.
[13:07] <becomingGuru> So, I need to start the download again... Or wait for a short while to download the final
[13:07] <pakete> it provides the latest and hottest updates and fixes, it also checks for malware automatically
[13:07] <bazhang> pakete, please stop spreading the wrong information. this is not an idle chatter channel
[13:07] <bazhang> pakete, no it does not.
[13:07] <pakete> o-rite
[13:08] <pakete> np
[13:08] <obscurant1st> btw if lucid is out, this channel ll still be there or what?
[13:08] <_bt> "update kit"
[13:08] <_bt> what is?
[13:08] <bazhang> _bt, its nothing. just nonsense
[13:09] <pakete> update kit sounds very suitable when trying to update and check for malware
[13:09] <charlie-tca> obscurant1st: this channel will no longer exist tomorrow, for a few days
[13:09] <obscurant1st> charlie-tca, oh,k
[13:09] <_bt> why do i need update kit to update when update-manager already does that?
[13:09] <charlie-tca> When it comes back, it will be for Maverick
[13:09] <bazhang> _bt, you dont. ignore pakete
[13:09] <pakete> if you are using update manager - you can't check for malware
[13:09] <JohnnyAmerica> :)
[13:09] <obscurant1st> charlie-tca, oh so maverick is the nxt ubuntu?
[13:10] <bazhang> pakete, there is none. stop that
[13:10] <patdk-wk> marty maverick? :)
[13:10] <charlie-tca> obscurant1st: yes, Maverick Meerkat
[13:10] <obscurant1st> pakete, will this update-kit check for windows malwares?
[13:10] <pakete> omg
[13:10] <_bt> pakete is talking crap
[13:10] <obscurant1st> charlie-tca, oh, k. the due date will be around oct- nov right?
[13:10] <bazhang> stop trolling pakete
[13:10] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:11] <obscurant1st> ok
[13:12] <obscurant1st> pakete, did you happen to develope this update-kit?
[13:12] <_bt> google says nothing about update-kit
[13:12] <_bt> LOL
[13:13] <bazhang> it does not exist.
[13:13] <pakete> yeah sure...it is because you didn't type sudo -s
[13:13] <pakete> )
[13:13] <_bt> someone get him out
[13:13] <patdk-wk> hmm, no updates today
[13:14] <bazhang> this channel will close soon enough
[13:14] <pakete> if something is non-existent it doesn't mean it is not out there...
[13:14] <JohnnyAmerica> leave him alone
[13:14] <bazhang> just ignore his trolling
[13:14] <_bt> you tell us the pakete. i am 100% genuine interested in your malware product
[13:14] <clemyeats> ikey: how do you ignore someone on the IRC again?
[13:14] <vega> i don't understand why you don't kick him?
[13:14] <patdk-wk> /ignore :)
[13:14] <obscurant1st> pakete, i thought you were serious, !!!
[13:15] <pakete> so i am just looking forward to final 10.04 that is all... which is currently out there and coming fast - today
[13:15] <_bt> well it's already out there so go catch up
[13:15] <pakete> what is serious anyway...
[13:15] <coz_> hey guys just discovered that the secure-delete package in lucid is incomplete   I had to install the karmic version on lucid to get its optionis available
[13:15] <JohnnyAmerica> pakete: i love you man
[13:15] <alex88_> if i have multiple ip on eth0, how can i say to a program to use eth0:0 instead of eth0?
[13:16] <seththz> hey guys i just finished installing and when i went to reboot i get this message "disk drive for /media/sdb1 is not ready yet or present" i had been able to boot after install just fine but after the reboot i got that. im new to this so i have no idea what went wrong.
[13:16] <pakete> serious or not - it is out there...and now and then...when you get too serious you risk to end up in #windows
[13:17] <obscurant1st> pakete, who ends up in windows, last time i ended up in mac
[13:17] <obscurant1st> :D
[13:17] <pakete> but who knows, maybe final release has an update kit ...hmmm
[13:17] <pakete> ?
[13:18] <obscurant1st> btw how much MB i will have to download if i am upgrading from Karmic to lucid?
[13:18] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: probably around 3 to 6GB...?
[13:18] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: it depends what you've got installed.
[13:19] <pakete> wow
[13:19] <pakete> you were lucky then, obscurantlst!!!
[13:20] <obscurant1st> clemyeats, i hv done the default installation of Karmic + some applications. So you are telling me i have to download 3-6GB, oh man. So today i wont be able to upgrade! :(
[13:20] <obscurant1st> pakete, why?
[13:20] <pakete> because it is less serious i guess =) anyway we should not deny the possibility that update kit is possible...
[13:21] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: not to mention that the repositories will be slow "if" they work.. the day of the release.
[13:21] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: you're better off with a fresh upgrade.
[13:22] <obscurant1st> clemyeats, fresh upgrade, in the sence? deleting karmic and doing a new install?
[13:22] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: yes
[13:22] <obscurant1st> i cant do that!
[13:22] <obscurant1st> :(
[13:22] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: why not?
[13:22] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: read section C1 of http://community.linuxmint.com/index.php/tutorial/view/2
[13:24] <obscurant1st> i have done lots of installations and customizations, i dont want to loose them!
[13:24] <soreau> Hey guys, alls I want to know is.. it out yet?
[13:24] <clemyeats> obscurant1st: I guess you didn't read....
[13:24] <clemyeats> soreau: no
[13:25] <obscurant1st> clemyeats, yeah i didnt read it yet. will read!
[13:25] <pvandewyngaerde> hello,   is anyone else having the problem that on a console you cannot use the loadkeys command  and it gives a long list of error messages ? one line for keyboard layout 0 -> 127: access denied,   KDSKBENT: action not allowed, loadkeys cannot release keyboard layout 128
[13:25] <seththz> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1464540 seems he had a similar problem but i don't understand how he fixed it :(
[13:25] <greezmunkey> lo ppl
[13:26] <Oli``> Is there any way to remove accidental "follows" in gwibber. I clicked on somebody's name in a twitter feed and now there's a button for that person in the sidebar. I don't want them in there... But I can't see how to remove them!
[13:27] <greezmunkey> check this interesting message from /var/log/kern.log: Apr 26 18:48:32 UbuntuServ01 kernel: Kernel logging (proc) stopped, And then every entry since: Apr 29 05:15:08 UbuntuServ01 kernel: imklog: Cannot read proc file system, 1.
[13:28] <exi_> hi
[13:28] <coz_> switchgirl,   I just found out that the secure-delete package in lucid is incomplete  you will have to get the package for karmic and install it
[13:28] <coz_> switchgirl,  also this "defrags" memor as well
[13:29] <coz_> switchgirl    it should all be in the man page
[13:30] <exi_> got a very shot question. i'm searching the lucid svn/git/whatever repo for the gnome-mount package, could someone please tell me where to look for it?
[13:30] <elnur> Is 9.10 coming out today?
[13:30] <patdk-wk> elnur, sure :)
[13:30] <bazhang> elnur, 9.10 is already out
[13:30] <elnur> oops
[13:30] <elnur> i meant 10.04 :)
[13:30] <bazhang> !party | elnur
[13:30] <elnur> patdk-wk, hehe, niice
[13:31] <KOPRajs> hi
[13:31] <coz_> exi_,   it doenst seem to be
[13:31] <coz_> exi_,   available in lucid
[13:31] <BUGabundo_remote> koltroll: not out yet
[13:31]  * patdk-wk hadn't realized 9.10 was in the closet :)
[13:31] <clemyeats> elnur: it could be delayed by a day or two, it's hard to tell, or it could be today.. the ISOs were respinned.
[13:31] <exi_> coz_: really? which one replaced it?
[13:31] <BUGabundo_remote> oops bad complition... sorry koltroll
[13:31] <KOPRajs> after upgrade from karmic to lucid my FAT32 disk is not being mounted with correct iocharset in Dolphin... any ideas?
[13:31] <coz_> guys actually when lucid is released this channel will not be here and you will be redirected to #ubuntu
[13:32]  * clemyeats notices a new ubiquity version 2.2.24
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> coz_: not exaclty
[13:32] <patdk-wk> coz, what about 10.10?
[13:32] <coz_> KOPRajs,  well if possible  clean install
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: only after tool chaine
[13:32] <coz_> BUGabundo_remote,  oh?  something change?
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> coz_ no! it just doesn't accept any one new to enter
[13:33] <coz_> exi_,   you could try  pysdm to set automount
[13:33] <coz_> BUGabundo_remote,  ah I see  so if you log on after release you will be redirected by stay and nothing happens :)
[13:33] <coz_> exi_,   http://superuser.com/questions/131918/gnome-mount-alternative-in-ubuntu-10-04-or-how-to-mount-partition-with-normal-use
[13:33] <KOPRajs> coz_: not possible... I just need to find where can I set mount options for disk being mounted by KDE (not in boot-time)
[13:34] <ThomasBerends> i heard that ubuntu is delayed, will it still come today?
[13:34] <coz_> exi_,  also take a look here   https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gnome-mount
[13:34] <pakete> hey all
[13:34] <Andy80> hi all
[13:35] <JohnnyAmerica> pakete: hi :)
[13:35] <pakete> Hello Johnny!!! =)
[13:35] <pakete> have you downloaded update kit yet?
[13:35] <pakete> ))
[13:35] <Andy80> I had previously installed a development version of Gwibber and now I've upgraded to Ubuntu 10.04... how do I remove a twitter account??? I open Accounts, I select and remove it, but... when I re-open the client the account is still there :(
[13:36] <JohnnyAmerica> pakete: sure, I did
[13:36] <JohnnyAmerica> pakete:  :)
[13:36] <Andy80> I've also tried to remove gwibber packages with settngs using synaptics, but it didn't work
[13:36] <bazhang> pakete, there is no update kit. please stop it
[13:36] <pakete> alrite!!! we shall see...it is not out yet...
[13:36] <pakete> my feeling is that update kit will be there, when it is out
[13:37] <JohnnyAmerica> :)
[13:37] <pvandewyngaerde>  hello,   is anyone else having the problem that on a console as a non-root user you cannot use the loadkeys command  and it gives a long list of error messages ? one line for keyboard layout 0 -> 127,  and then : access denied,   KDSKBENT: action not allowed, loadkeys cannot release keyboard layout 128
[13:37] <bazhang> pakete, most of us already have it; there is NO update kit. stop it.
[13:37] <affar1-AT> ubuntu 10.04 can run with btrfs
[13:37] <pakete> there will be...in final
[13:37] <affar1-AT> ubuntu 10.04 can run with btrfs?
[13:37] <ikey> /IGNORE *@78-106-203-239.broadband.corbina.ru ALL
[13:37] <ikey> @ everyone.
[13:38] <pakete> all you have to do is sudo -s
[13:38] <bazhang> thanks
[13:38] <ikey> gracias
[13:38] <JohnnyAmerica> ppl, just listen to pakete
[13:39] <bazhang> JohnnyAmerica, he was trolling. no
[13:39] <JohnnyAmerica> bazhang: r u sure?
[13:40] <stevecam> in the #ubuntu-release-party there is a typo with one of the bots
[13:40] <stevecam> PartyBot1 says "(the torrents are also locked)" instead of "(the torrents are also blocked)"
[13:40] <charlie-tca> JohnnyAmerica: yes, he's sure
[13:40] <schweegi> does anybody know here when lucid is released today?
[13:40] <Pici> schweegi, Lucid will be released some time during the 29th, i.e: there is no exact time. You can await the announcement in #ubuntu-release-party
[13:40] <JohnnyAmerica> charlie-tca: ok, sry
[13:41] <red2kic> Pici: Wut? I just got in... It haven't been released? o.O
[13:41] <schweegi> Pici:  i'm already in #ubuntu-release-parry, but they talking about bots and that ubuntu.com is down and so on...
[13:41] <greezmunkey> Aside from wierd messages in logs, my system seems to run well. I'd be interested to know what is up with the text messages posted to the screen on shutdown. Mine are seriously scrambled. Is it possible that is related to some terminal properties config that needs adjusting?
[13:41] <Pici> schweegi: And did you see the rest of my reply?
[13:41] <schweegi> yes.
[13:43] <jbwiv> Guys,
[13:44] <jbwiv> I've been tracking a full system freeze on my system for a few weeks now. Now it seems to only happen when I return to work the next morning. Anytime I come in, the system is locked up...magic sysrq buttons won't work either. Is there something that happens when the screen is locked for a long period of time that might explain this? Power management or something?
[13:44] <DingGGu> !랴뮈
[13:44] <DingGGu> !final
[13:46] <DingGGu> !version
[13:51] <gintonic> Which is more efficient out of jigdo and zsync?
[13:52] <gintonic> for upgrading an RC to release I mean
[13:52] <charlie-tca> !final | gintonic
[13:52] <tsr2> Hallo everybody. I'm told this is the right place to ask about installation problems with 10.04RC. Is that right?
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> gintonic: we advice zsync
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: calm down :)
[13:52] <BUGabundo_remote> you are trigger happy :)
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> tsr2: shoot
[13:53] <charlie-tca> I am calm. If you are going from RC to release, that is the easiest, and most efficient
[13:53] <gintonic> Er thanks but that isn't what i'm trying to achive. I need to sync isos
[13:53] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_remote: that's because it is easier than typing it
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: he meant IOS
[13:53] <BUGabundo_remote> *ISO
[13:53] <tsr2> I'm trying to install from CD on an old Dell laptop. I get a splash screen with a moving dots progress bar. After a minute or twi the screen goes blank and won't respond to anything.
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> gintonic: zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> with the proper URL and "-o" parameter
[13:54] <tsr2> I've looked at the troubleshooting guide and it suggests various kernel options, but I guess I need to get to a proper prompt first?
[13:54] <Hillshum> tsr2: How much RAM does said laptop have?
[13:55] <tsr2> I thinks it's 768MB.
[13:55] <gintonic> Why zsync over jigdo? I've never tested jigdo but it seems it could theoretically use less bandwidth
[13:55] <pvandewyngaerde> how can i set my console language for error messages to english  ?
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> gintonic: cause that's what archive admins choose?
[13:55] <grobda24> Where is the new services and startup systems covered that replaces init.d ?
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> grobda24: upstart
[13:56] <gintonic> Ok, that's good enough for me :-D
[13:56] <BUGabundo_remote> :D
[13:57] <grobda24> BUGabundo_remote, cheers :)
[13:57] <vega> where is the proper way of disabling a system service in this new shiny upstart?
[13:58] <kennyG> hello guys! I wonder if I could do any upgrade to the final release of Lucid or if it would be better just reinstall it over the Beta release... ?
[13:58] <cwillu> vega, rename the file to something not 'conf', or edit the "start on" line
[13:58] <Azelphur> kennyG: when the release happens, you will update and be on release
[13:59] <echosystm> did they really replace gimp with F-Spot?
[13:59] <sobczyk> hello, how well the kde4 is integrated in ubuntu 10.04? (ie. native network manager applet, driver manager, etc)
[14:00] <xompers> ur a gimp
[14:00] <sobczyk> especially for a laptop
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> kennyG:  just do your usual updates
[14:00] <vega> cwillu: rename .. and after package update it is back again?
[14:00] <BUGabundo_remote> echosystm: no
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> we simply don't preinstall gimp anymore
[14:01] <echosystm> ok
[14:01] <echosystm> are there any mono apps in ubuntu by default?
[14:01] <vega> cwillu: also, how should the "start on" line be edited?
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> fspot was already there
[14:01] <Azelphur> echosystm: yes, tomboy
[14:01] <BUGabundo_remote> echosystm: a bunch
[14:01] <echosystm> god
[14:01] <echosystm> why
[14:01] <kennyG> BUGabundo_remote, and how do I do that?
[14:01] <echosystm> its mono, for christs sake
[14:02] <cwillu> vega, "appropriately"
[14:02] <cwillu> vega, look at the file
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> kennyG: update manager in system menu
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> echosystm: stop the FUD and ranting ok?
[14:02] <BUGabundo_remote> thank you very much
[14:03] <kennyG> BUGabundo_remote, ok, thank you!
[14:03] <tsr2> XP reports 768MB on my Dell. I think that's sufficient for most Linux distributions.
[14:04] <BUGabundo_remote> yes it is
[14:04] <tsr2> I've checked the md5sums on the CD
[14:04] <tsr2>  $ md5sum ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso /dev/scd0
[14:04] <tsr2> 9b88dce8d215a3c2839105ab8e3139be  ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[14:04] <tsr2> 9b88dce8d215a3c2839105ab8e3139be  /dev/scd0
[14:04] <Tekno> nice
[14:05] <xomp> where's the best place to find out when this is released?
[14:05] <cheche> #ubuntu-release-party
[14:05] <bazhang> xomp, #ubuntu-release-party
[14:05] <xomp> cheers!
[14:06] <Doggod> hi
[14:06] <sobczyk> does the newt kubuntu has a default input method?
[14:06] <sobczyk> like japanese or korean
[14:06] <Doggod> I'm making place for an ubuntu installation
[14:06] <cetanhota> join #ubuntu-release-party
[14:06] <cetanhota> dang it
[14:07] <Doggod> how big partition sohuld I make
[14:07] <Doggod> is 10GB enough?
[14:07] <patdk-wk> 10g is enough for most anything in ubuntu
[14:07] <Doggod> cool
[14:07] <bazhang> Doggod, total , or only /
[14:07] <Doggod> only /
[14:07] <bazhang> yep
[14:07] <patdk-wk> I normally fit everything into 5gigs
[14:08] <patdk-wk> my servers fit everything in about 500megs
[14:08] <bazhang> if you decide to switch DE later then you have room
[14:08] <Doggod> cool, then I think I'll make an 8 gig
[14:08] <tsr2> As it's on a 700MB CD, I would expect the default install to be under 2GB. Can't say I'm certain as I can't get it to install right now ;-)
[14:09] <patdk-wk> tsr2, hmm, I was pretty sure a default install was around 3gig for me
[14:09] <tsr2> Obviously they get a good compression ratio on the CD.
[14:10] <Assurbanipal> hi everyone!when is kubuntu 10.04 stable expected to be released?
[14:11] <bazhang> Assurbanipal, not known
[14:11] <bazhang> !party > Assurbanipal
[14:11] <JoshuaL> i heard it was delayed because of some bugs, is this true?
[14:11] <tsr2> If nobody has ani ideas I'll abandon this attempt for today and go back to doing some proper work.
[14:13] <charlie-tca> JoshuaL: not yet
[14:17] <BUGabundo_remote> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765/comments/51
[14:17] <BUGabundo_remote> yay bug found
[14:18] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_remote: respins in progress
[14:19] <BUGabundo_remote> I know
[14:30] <tucemiux_> how do you upgrade an RC to the official release?
[14:30] <tucemiux_> sudo apt-get upgrade???
[14:30] <Pici> !final
[14:30] <tasslehoff> gunzip on my 10.04RC gives a crc error on unpacking expat-2.0.1.tar.gz. Unpacking the same file on 9.10 with the same version of gunzip works fine.
[14:31] <tucemiux_> Pici, so I have the official release then? O_o
[14:31] <rmrfslash> I'm trying to copy to the X11 clipboard w/in vim and it aint working out for me. Can someone provide help? If I highlight a bunch of text and type +yy then move to another tab and type +p I get nothin
[14:32] <rmrfslash> Should work under Ubuntu... not sure if anyone uses a lot of vim
[14:32] <Pici> tucemiux_: essentially, I think a package or two might still be getting built though.
[14:32] <rmrfslash> Ubuntu vim is compiled w/ x11 clipboard support
[14:33] <tucemiux_> how do you manage wireless connections??
[14:33] <Doggod> oookay, made a new partition for ubuntu :)
[14:34] <BUGabundo_remote> tucemiux_: on ubuntu, click on the network manager icon, on the top applet
[14:35] <tucemiux_> BUGabundo_remote, my RC doesnt have a network manager icon, I should click on "network" icon?
[14:36]  * BUGabundo_remote face palms
[14:36] <tucemiux_> or maybe "network connections"?
[14:41] <rygar> hey is it true the release is delayed because a bug in grub?
[14:41] <iceroot> yes but still today
[14:43] <rygar> damn, at least they found it before release :/ hope there won't be more after
[14:44] <rygar> at least the showstopper kind
[14:44] <clemyeats> iceroot: I don't think it's going to happen today.
[14:45] <clemyeats> iceroot: the ISOs in the pool still have ubiquity 2.2.23...
[14:45] <BUGabundo_remote> clemyeats: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765/comments/
[14:46] <clemyeats> yeah, exactly.
[14:46] <iceroot> clemyeats: the repos are updates (packages.gz) but not the isos
[14:46] <JoshuaL> hmm are xubuntu etc also affected and will it be fixed in those releases too?
[14:46] <clemyeats> 2.2.24 is going in... meaning new ISOs, regression testing, mirrors sync, etc...
[14:46] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL: not on the ISO
[14:46] <iceroot> clemyeats: the 2.2.24 shoudl be already in the repos
[14:46] <clemyeats> if they do all that in less than a day they'll be cutting corners again.
[14:46] <clemyeats> iceroot: it is.
[14:46] <thebishop> if i'm running Beta2 with upgrades, is there any reason to reformat when Release comes out today?
[14:47] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[14:47] <JoshuaL> BUGabundo_remote, not in the iso as it will not be fixed or?
[14:47] <iceroot> clemyeats: yes so its "only" the iso-build left
[14:47] <tasslehoff> is that "gunzip-issue" known? could someone verify it and tell me where I should report if its indeed broken?
[14:47] <clemyeats> iceroot: and testing it and mirroring it.
[14:47] <charlie-tca> BUGabundo_remote, JoshuaL yes, and yes, the images for xubuntu were respun.
[14:47] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL: fixes will come as 0-day updates
[14:47] <clemyeats> iceroot: that's minimum one day.
[14:47] <charlie-tca> Kubuntu is not affected
[14:47] <BUGabundo_remote> !bugs | tasslehoff
[14:48] <JoshuaL> BUGabundo_remote, and what does a 0-day update mean?
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: are you sure xubuntu images were respuned?
[14:48] <iceroot> clemyeats: 6 hours at our system (to build debian-cds)
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> not what says in the bug
[14:48] <thebishop> BUGabundo_remote, was that "no" to me?
[14:48] <dennis> good afternoon people.... are we there yet ?
[14:48] <charlie-tca> I don't care what the bug says
[14:48] <charlie-tca> I am testing the images
[14:48] <BUGabundo_remote> JoshuaL: means updates for it will be available on release
[14:48] <JoshuaL> ok :)
[14:48] <JoshuaL> thanks for explaining.
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> !out | dennis
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> !isout | dennis
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> boooo
[14:49] <rohan> you want !isitout BUGabundo_remote
[14:49] <dennis> really ? i will have a look then
[14:49] <BUGabundo_remote> tooooo long
[14:49] <Pirate_Hunter> is lucid finally going to be released today? If so why hasn't the site been updated specially since 8.04 is to be maintained until 2011?
[14:50] <clemyeats> iceroot: they can't release without the mirrors all in sync... if some of them still host the older ISO it's going to be chaos. That can take up to a day.
[14:50] <JoshuaL> Pirate_Hunter, it will be released toda indeed
[14:50] <coz_> you know my one big gripe with lucic is the plymoth ubuntu-logo theme ith tha
[14:50] <thebishop> is there news on the GLX front?
[14:50] <coz_> with that white circle and  cut out ubuntu symbol
[14:50] <iceroot> clemyeats: torrent is the solution for problems like that
[14:50] <thebishop> i couldn't play WorldOfGoo yesterday because GLX is out
[14:50] <coz_> that is just butt ugly :)
[14:50] <iceroot> clemyeats: but yes you are right i just thought about the build-steps
[14:50] <clemyeats> iceroot: waiting for a day is just the right call tbh.
[14:50] <dennis> has anyone got a link to the final ? i cannot find it
[14:50] <jrib> coz_: design a better one for maverick :)
[14:51] <charlie-tca> dennis: it is not out yet
[14:51] <coz_> jrib,  thats an easy call   I alrea
[14:51] <iceroot> clemyeats: the main problem is another, the x-server bug... instead of fixing it, its backported
[14:51] <coz_> jrib,  I already fixed this one :)
[14:51] <JoshuaL> i will miss this channel after today :( :P
[14:51] <clemyeats> iceroot: oh..?
[14:51] <JoshuaL> iceroot, the mem leak bug?
[14:51] <clemyeats> iceroot: I didn't read about that one..
[14:51] <iceroot> clemyeats: the x-server memory-leak isnt patched, the x-server-version is reverted without taht bug
[14:51] <coz_> JoshuaL,  I think ...from what I understand...if you stay logged on the channle still exists
[14:52] <coz_> i could be wrong however
[14:52] <clemyeats> ok
[14:52] <yofel> iceroot: the gem memleak is already fixed, by reverting the glx version, or do you mean another one?
[14:52] <dennis> the website still says release candidate only and the main image server doesn't list the final release... where can i get it ?
[14:52] <iceroot> yofel: thats the bug i mean
[14:52] <iceroot> yofel: reverting is not a good solution instead of a rela fix#
[14:52] <clemyeats> dennis: you can't, it's not out yet.
[14:52] <JoshuaL> dennis, it is not out yet!
[14:52] <dennis> damm
[14:52] <Doggod> when did they found the x-server mem-leak
[14:53] <dennis> do we have a ETA ?
[14:53] <Reckon> is a delay expected on the release? I've heard rumours in some sources
[14:53] <clemyeats> dennis: postponed.
[14:53] <clemyeats> dennis: delayed..sorry
[14:53] <dennis> ETR actually
[14:53] <yofel> iceroot: the leak was introduced by a fix for a crashing glx, it was too late to test other resolutions now
[14:53] <Doggod> :P
[14:53] <peks> hi, the intel graphic chipset problem with lucid only concerns 845 & 855, but not the rest of the 8xx chipsets??
[14:53] <dennis> oke, until tomorrow or what ?
[14:53] <clemyeats> dennis: probably
[14:53] <dennis> damm
[14:53] <JoshuaL> dennis, join #ubuntu-release-party
[14:53] <dennis> will do
[14:54] <Doggod> the main issue about this release is that it's an LTS release
[14:54] <clemyeats> I guess as iceroot mentioned, they could release the torrent today and the ISOs tomorrow.
[14:54] <Doggod> if this would be a regular release, i think the stakes wouldn't be so huge
[14:54] <clemyeats> I hope they don't forget to update oem-config this time around
[14:54] <tarzeau> Doggod: the stakes are because of the no-more-brown theme
[14:54] <clemyeats> still at 2.2.20 on the current CD.
[14:55] <alex_mayorga> so if I'm fully updated today I'm already on the "release"
[14:55] <clemyeats> alex_mayorga: yes
[14:55] <z0rt|work> happy release day dudes
[14:55] <rumpe1> *g*
[14:56] <Vigo> Is +1 going to be closed after today?
[14:56] <alex_mayorga> clemyeats: thanks
[14:56] <JoshuaL> imo they should have delayed the release :)
[14:57] <rumpe1> Vigo, no... waiting for Maverick
[14:57] <lfaraone> Hi. It appears that whenever I click on a window, the window manager interprets it as an Alt-Click drag action. Any ideas on how to fix that?
[14:57] <alex_mayorga> Vigo: no, we're going to get busy with mercat or something
[14:57] <Vigo> rumpel: Thank you
[14:57] <BonezAU> Funny that, the final release of 10.04 SERVER has been out for a couple of days already
[14:57] <Vigo> alex_mayorga: Thank you
[14:57] <yofel> BonezAU: it has not, leaked cds are unofficial and not final
[14:57] <BonezAU> yofel, i know.. i was stirring :)
[14:58] <agronholm> !isitout
[14:59] <Vigo> Oh that should be a fun #channel.
[15:00] <Vigo> That is crazy
[15:00] <alex_mayorga> yofel: pirated copies maybe :P
[15:01] <yofel> haha
[15:01] <z0rt|work> yarrrrgh mateyyy
[15:01] <alex_mayorga> yofel: those torrenters! :D
[15:01] <alex_mayorga> is there wiki for mercat already?
[15:02] <iceroot> yofel: and the good way is to stop the relase, the bad way is to have a bad solution because of a timeline
[15:02] <rumpe1> meerkat
[15:03] <yofel> well, ubuntu releases don't get delayed, there was a blog post from mark about that a while ago
[15:03] <yofel> for now we'll have to live with it
[15:04] <iceroot> yofel: but i think you agree that this is not the best solution
[15:04] <k0ala> need help with sound
[15:04] <k0ala> cant hear any audio
[15:04] <k0ala> lucid
[15:05] <jbwiv> guys, when I run updatedb on Lucid and then run locate something.txt, it doesn't find something.txt when it's in my home directory. Anyone know what might cause this? It finds it elsewhere. /home doesn't look to be excluded in /etc/updatedb.conf
[15:05] <coz_> hey guys  ... is there a command simialr to  sudo xsplash to test plymouth withouth having to restart ??
[15:05] <yofel> iceroot: it has pros and cons, imho delaying a LTS would be justified, but they said they in turn had too little time with 6.10 because of that last time
[15:06] <clemyeats> coz_: yes... let me find it for you..
[15:06]  * clemyeats checks his notes
[15:06] <yofel> maybe this should be rethought at some point, but for now releases are fixed
[15:06] <coz_> :)
[15:06] <clemyeats> coz_: sudo plymouthd --debug --debug-file=/tmp/plymouth-debug-out ; sudo plymouth --show-splash ; for ((I=0;I<10;I++)); do sleep 1 ; sudo plymouth --update=event$I ; done ; sudo plymouth --quit
[15:06] <iceroot> yofel: maybe the debian-way is not bad to have a release when it is ultra-stable (but not ultra-old)
[15:06] <coz_> clemyeats,  cool let me try that
[15:07] <yofel> +1
[15:08] <clemyeats> features can be cut when it comes to respecting deadlines but not quality.
[15:08] <iceroot> yes
[15:08] <Taliesin`> Hey guys, i know i ran into it earlier but cant find it now
[15:08] <Taliesin`> there was a "whats new in 10.04" page on ubuntu.com
[15:08] <clemyeats> a known critical bug which solution is available should never be let out publicly
[15:08] <iceroot> but at the other side there is no need to do an upgrade at first day (or first month)
[15:08] <Taliesin`> Link detectives, find me the link i cant find again! :)
[15:09] <yofel> Taliesin`: please read the /topic
[15:09]  * Taliesin` smacks head into desk
[15:09] <iceroot> are there dev-channels on freenode for 10.10?
[15:09] <Taliesin`> i got as far as milestones :P
[15:10] <clemyeats> dev-channels iceroot ?
[15:10] <yofel> ^^
[15:10]  * clemyeats removes desk
[15:10] <iceroot> clemyeats: yes, channels for developing, upstreaming and so on
[15:10] <iceroot> !dev
[15:10] <yofel> iceroot: there is always -devel and this channel will be for 10.10 starting tomorrow
[15:10] <iceroot> yofel: but this is more of a supportchannel like #ubuntu i guess
[15:11] <iceroot> atm i am working on another debian-based distri and want to do some work on ubuntu 10.10
[15:11] <yofel> iceroot: it is, but actual development in in -devel, this is support and discussion (rather technical during alpha)
[15:11] <iceroot> yofel: thx i will have a look at -devel
[15:12] <JoshuaL> who will make the announcement that its out anyways?
[15:12] <yofel> JoshuaL: slangasek
[15:12] <QueenZ> Hello
[15:13] <QueenZ> When is Ubuntu 10.04 coming out?
[15:13] <JoshuaL> yofel, ok :)
[15:13] <JoshuaL> !isitout | QueenZ
[15:13] <yofel> JoshuaL: more precise: Steve Langasek (the release manager)
[15:13] <kwtm> Anyone else having problems with getting bluetooth working on the alpha release of Maverick Meerkat?
[15:13] <iceroot> kwtm: there is an alpha? i dont think so
[15:13] <clemyeats> kwtm: that'd be ubuntu+2 :)
[15:14] <bazhang> kwtm, there is not one
[15:14] <kwtm> Oh, wait, are we still waiting for Lucid?  Geez, it's, like, Apr30 here...
[15:14] <iceroot> :)
[15:14] <iceroot> release-days are very funny
[15:14] <clemyeats> not for everyone I guess :)
[15:14] <yofel> even if lucid is out it will take a day or  2 for the toolchain to open :P
[15:15] <Taliesin`> 'almost' april 30th here myself :P
[15:15] <Taliesin`> bout 15mins off
[15:15] <JoshuaL> yofel, whats a toolchain?
[15:15] <Italian_Plumber> does linx have different minimum specs from hardy?
[15:15] <Italian_Plumber> could I run it on a Pentium III
[15:15] <clemyeats> JoshuaL: build/release process/tools... the big machine that "makes" the release :)
[15:16] <DarsVaeda1> hi i can not install icedtea plugin -> W: Failed to fetch  http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/tzdata/tzdata-java_2010h-1_all.deb
[15:16] <JoshuaL> clemyeats, cool thanks
[15:16] <DarsVaeda1> thats actually not there
[15:16] <jo-erlend> DarsVaeda1: have you tried updating your apt-get database?
[15:17] <DarsVaeda1> apt-get update?
[15:17] <jo-erlend> mhm?
[15:17] <DarsVaeda1> i hope the update manager thing does that for me?
[15:17] <jo-erlend> DarsVaeda1: it should, but try anyway.
[15:18] <Doggod> i tought about installing the RC and updating
[15:18] <Doggod> but
[15:18] <DarsVaeda1> ok i'll do
[15:18] <Doggod> i read the bug with grub
[15:18] <Doggod> and that discouraged me
[15:18] <Doggod> :D
[15:18] <Doggod> dual boot
[15:18] <Taliesin`> Doggod: the bug is fixed and is already in lucid-updates
[15:18] <rcsheets_> i'm looking for documentation on which uid ranges are meant to be used for what types of users in ubuntu
[15:18] <Doggod> oh, cool
[15:18] <Doggod> so if I install
[15:18] <jo-erlend> there is no reason to doubt that we'll have a release today?
[15:19] <jetienne__> q. i just booted 10.04-rc in a VM and it crash all over the places. like when i launch firefox, or when i click on the desktop menu
[15:19] <jetienne__> how come ?N
[15:19] <Doggod> the grub bug only causes me not being able to use the other os right?
[15:19] <Taliesin`> depends on how much longer it's going to take to respind the ISO
[15:19] <jo-erlend> Doggod: please try to contain your messages on fewer lines. It's much easier to read.
[15:19] <Doggod> jo-erlend, sorry :P
[15:19] <DarsVaeda1> i still have the problem that the sound app is missing right after a clean install...that hurts
[15:19] <clemyeats> Doggod: when you install make sure you've got ubiquity 2.2.24, if it's 2.2.23 upgrade it before installing.
[15:21] <Doggod> okay
[15:22] <jo-erlend> Taliesin`: was that message for me?
[15:23] <z0rt|work> i have a good one for you guys
[15:23] <z0rt|work> An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:
[15:23] <z0rt|work> The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist.
[15:24] <rygar> hay i heard @relase-party the grub bug's been fixed
[15:24] <ChogyDan> rygar: whats the bug?
[15:24] <JoshuaL> z0rt|work, use sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[15:24] <jetienne__> q. i just booted 10.04-rc in a VM and it crash all over the places. like when i launch firefox, or when i click on the desktop menu. am i alone in this ? or everybody is experiencing the same ?
[15:25] <rygar> "other os" isn't working IIRC
[15:25] <yukiseaside> #ubuntu-relase-party
[15:25]  * likemindead always goes with a fresh install for that squeaky clean feeling. ;-)
[15:25] <yukiseaside> #ubuntu-release-party
[15:26] <ChogyDan> z0rt|work: are you using the upgrade manager?
[15:26] <BUGabundo_remote> yukiseaside: stop, please
[15:26] <z0rt|work> ChogyDan: yes, i ran update-manager -d as su
[15:26] <RambJoe> when's it out the?
[15:26] <jetienne__> nobody for my question about rc and the desktop menu ?
[15:26] <HagenaarsDotNu> /join #ubuntu-release-party
[15:27] <mvo> z0rt|work: could you file a bugreport please? with all the data in /var/log/dist-upgrade/* ?
[15:27] <saurus> when come ubuntu?
[15:27] <saurus> I'm waiting :(
[15:27] <z0rt|work> mvo: sure can
[15:28] <DarsVaeda1> jo-erland: apt-get update  worked for icedtea plugin, thanks
[15:28] <clemyeats> that's the fix for it? http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ev/migration-assistant/trunk/revision/102#ma-script-utils
[15:28] <clemyeats> ^^weird
[15:28] <JoshuaL> z0rt|work, make sure you have the latest updates before doing a dist upgrade
[15:28] <z0rt|work> i do
[15:29] <JoshuaL> then i suggest the same as mvo :)
[15:30] <cousin_mario> hello
[15:30] <Taliesin`> clemyeats: lmao
[15:30] <Taliesin`> someone forgot a line initially i think :)
[15:31] <clemyeats> funny thing is, that was fixed a while ago.. nothing to do with that bug in particular.
[15:31] <DarsVaeda1> taliesin hmm that nick rings a bell
[15:31] <Taliesin`> clemyeats: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ev/migration-assistant/trunk/revision/100/ma-script-utils
[15:31] <Taliesin`> revision 100, that line was removed :P
[15:32] <clemyeats> now ... :)
[15:32] <Taliesin`> :P
[15:33] <Doggod> one final question before I install the RC: how do you get wifi to work? I have broadcom chipset
[15:34] <jimlovell777> Doggod: Why would you install the release candidate? Isn't today the big day?
[15:35] <TommyThaGun> so... I guess this channel, as of today, will no longer be for Lucid support
[15:36] <Taliesin`> as of release ;)
[15:36] <NoobFukaire1> what was the rationale for moving the titlebar buttons to the left?
[15:36] <clemyeats> that's all it is alright.. one line ...
[15:36] <clemyeats> very tempting :)
[15:37] <clemyeats> NoobFukaire1: in Ubuntu 10.01 they're planning on using the space on the right to bring some innovations to the titlebars.
[15:37] <jimlovell777> Normally by now this and other channels have buzz or it's even been released. Odd...
[15:37] <Doggod> jimlovell777, i can't wait :D
[15:37] <Taliesin`> it's not far off
[15:37] <clemyeats> NoobFukaire1: sorry, meant 10.10.
[15:37] <Taliesin`> i can see the new iso's on the cdimage server :)
[15:38] <holstein> the space on the left could be used for innovations... im not buying that one ;)
[15:38] <agronholm> is there a tahoma replacement font in 10.04?
[15:38] <Doggod> jimlovell777, and btw, who knows if thre respin will be finished today?
[15:38] <NoobFukaire1> clemyeats: thanks, any docs on what those innovations might be?
[15:38] <clemyeats> Taliesin`: tell me it's got oem-config 2.2.24 in its embedded repo...
[15:38] <Taliesin`> Doggod: it is finished :)
[15:38] <ratcheer> NoobFukaire1: The only thing I have heard is that they have plans for a new use of the upper right area.
[15:38] <NoobFukaire1> agronholm: liberation fonts maybe?
[15:38] <agronholm> NoobFukaire1, I'll take a look
[15:38] <jimlovell777> Doggod: I've been here for years and they've not missed a date that I can remember
[15:38] <clemyeats> NoobFukaire1: no information on it at the moment I'm afraid.
[15:38] <Taliesin`> from what I can see :P
[15:39] <NoobFukaire1> ah, trade secrets? can't blame them, if they're really good ideas they'd get added to windows or mac before the next release
[15:39] <clemyeats> or Mint ;)
[15:39] <clemyeats> lol
[15:39] <Taliesin`> just grabbing the new iso now :D
[15:39] <agronholm> NoobFukaire1, no, tahoma is not included
[15:40] <NoobFukaire1> yeah but it has a bunch of fonts that match the microsoft font specs
[15:40] <agronholm> but tahoma is not one of them
[15:40] <NoobFukaire1> I'm not sure what you're looking for, a clone of Tahoma? or you could just download tahoma off the net
[15:40] <Doggod> jimlovell777, what about 6.06
[15:40] <agronholm> just wondering if I need to copy tahoma over from my windows box
[15:40] <agronholm> or if there is a legal alternative
[15:40] <Doggod> that used to be 6.04, didn't it?
[15:41] <agronholm> I don't care about the looks but I want a font with the very same metrics
[15:41] <NoobFukaire1> if you own a copy of windows, I think you should be able to use it in your linux install
[15:41] <NoobFukaire1> legally
[15:41] <NoobFukaire1> wikipedia says wine has a similar font
[15:41] <NoobFukaire1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tahoma_(typeface)#Free_replacement
[15:41] <NoobFukaire1> might be fugly though
[15:42] <NoobFukaire1> wine apps text is alway horrible if it's using wine's font code
[15:42] <agronholm> ok thx
[15:42] <z0rt|work> ^
[15:42] <AnxiousNut> I cant find lkl (linux key logger) in the repository!!!
[15:43] <likemindead> Don't forget to use torrents to ease the tension on servers, folks! :D
[15:44] <z0rt|work> mvo: filing bug report now
[15:47] <Taliesin`> d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 *lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[15:47] <Nece228> is lucid released now?
[15:47] <Taliesin`> d044a2a0c8103fc3e5b7e18b0f7de1c8 *ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[15:47] <Doggod> sweeeeeet
[15:47] <Taliesin`> appears to be both in daily-live and releases\.pool
[15:47] <mvo> z0rt|work: what is the bugnumber?
[15:48] <Taliesin`> so they will be waiting for it to propogate to other mirrors :)
[15:48] <h00k> Taliesin`: do not link there
[15:48] <Doggod> i hope torrent goes up soon
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> !links | Taliesin`
[15:48] <Taliesin`> im not linking ;)
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> stop anouncing it
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> that build is buggy
[15:48] <Taliesin`> i have merely looked at the MD5SUMS files :)
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> new images are being respuned
[15:48] <Nece228> is lucid released now?
[15:48] <BUGabundo_remote> NO
[15:49] <Nece228> ok
[15:49] <Taliesin`> incorrect, the ISO that was built on the 27.1 are buggy
[15:49] <jimlovell777> For anyone wanting to celevrate go here #ubuntu-release-party
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> Nece228: when you get an email from annouce list, then its officialy out
[15:49] <Taliesin`> the ISO's that where respun after bug was found are under 29th for date :)
[15:49] <Nece228> ok
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> Taliesin`: again: its not OUT, until email
[15:49] <BUGabundo_remote> so , stop it, ok ?
[15:50] <Taliesin`> I never said it was released?
[15:50] <Nece228> is it released right now?
[15:50] <Taliesin`> No
[15:50] <Nece228> ok
[15:51] <clemyeats> don't be too quick downloading the ISO, there could be other faults identified, let them test it first.
[15:51] <amereservant> BUGabundo_remote: Would you happen to know why on the mini install it sometimes gives the option to choose if I want to install addons such as the desktop etc. and other times it doesn't?
[15:52] <ojii> how can i reload the keyboard configs? (the stuff in /etc/modprobe.d/
[15:52] <wiiguy> i thougth 10.04 would be released today
[15:52] <likemindead> Just download the 10.04 Release Candidate. It's great and the updates will come. Torrents, baby! :D
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> wiiguy:  and it still can be,,
[15:53] <Taliesin`> clemyeats: I do test them and provide bug reports :)
[15:53] <Dr_Willis> its only 11 AM here
[15:53] <wiiguy> ah
[15:53] <likemindead> I've been running 10.04 since Beta 1 on multiple machines with no problems. :D
[15:53] <hylman> check disk during ubuntu 10.04 boot takes forever!!!!
[15:53] <Taliesin`> it's 12:22am here (30th!) :P
[15:53] <wiiguy> i was confused because teh site says "avaible soon"
[15:53] <BUGabundo_remote> amereservant: no
[15:54] <Taliesin`> ugg
[15:54] <irv> which servers will have the release first? does anyone have an ftp link ;]
[15:54] <Taliesin`> where does one go again to sign up for ubuntu-releases's email? :P
[15:54] <Taliesin`> irv: I do, and no you cant have it :)
[15:54] <Taliesin`> wait for the annoncement
[15:54] <clemyeats> ^^ evil :)
[15:54] <BUGabundo_remote> hylman: I don't remember last time I had a check disk
[15:54] <BUGabundo_remote> unless foreced
[15:54] <Taliesin`> clemyeats: it's my perogative for filing bug reports for many a years :P
[15:55] <likemindead> Seriously, what's the big difference in waiting for the final release? The RC is great.
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> irv: they are all mirror to disttribute load
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> you can get a daily and then zsync any diff
[15:55] <clemyeats> I understand and I fully agree.
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> Taliesin`: ubuntu annouce
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> sec
[15:55] <irv> yeah, i was wondering if someone had a link to one of the mirrors that will be hosting right away
[15:55] <amereservant> I guess I've never been around here on a big release.....this is madness!
[15:55] <irv> and lol Taliesin` you're new to open-source? :]
[15:56] <clemyeats> irv: the ISO was just built, it's not approved for a release yet.
[15:56] <Taliesin`> irv: negative :)
[15:56] <amereservant> You'd think it was a big cash givaway or something.
[15:56] <hylman> BUGabundo_remote: I have this at least twice a week. I always shut down my netbook everyday though...
[15:56] <irv> yeah i understand it's not out yet, but there are servers that /will/ have it ;p
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> Taliesin`: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
[15:56] <Taliesin`> thanks BUGabundo_remote
[15:56] <irv> sigh, i'm not trying to be difficult
[15:56] <Taliesin`> im not a fan of staying on mailing lists tis all
[15:56] <irv> Taliesin`: it's about sharing :)
[15:56] <Taliesin`> i do share
[15:56] <clemyeats> irv: my bad.. it was.
[15:56] <Taliesin`> for hte greater good
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> hylman: run a live cd, and force a check on the entire disk
[15:56] <clemyeats> it's syncing with the mirrors as we speak.
[15:57] <ojii> how can i reload the modprobe.d confs for my keyboard?
[15:57] <Taliesin`> not so you can download a iso a little bit earlier then the rest :)
[15:57] <clemyeats> I can't believe they're not testing it!!!
[15:57] <BUGabundo_remote> Taliesin`: 4 emails per year is not that bad
[15:57] <Taliesin`> how would I feel, if i gave you a link to a bad ISO?
[15:57] <clemyeats> jesus...
[15:57] <Taliesin`> I would feel bad, so i wont :)
[15:57] <irv> Taliesin`: earlier than the rest?... how could i download it before it was synch'd to the mirror you gave me?
[15:57] <irv> :p
[15:57] <irv> at which point everyone has access
[15:57] <Taliesin`> because
[15:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Taliesin`: there's nothing to give away..... ubuntu.com will have the links once it goes out
[15:58] <irv> plus, there are checksums to stop me from downloading a bad iso
[15:58] <Taliesin`> maybe i am talking about hte head mirror? :)
[15:58] <ojii> wanna get my keyboard working again before the release :(
[15:58] <BUGabundo_remote> irv: ITS NOT OUT
[15:58] <hylman> well, I've let the disk check run and finish. and it did finish after like 15minutes or so
[15:58] <BUGabundo_remote> so stop it
[15:58] <irv> i never said it was
[15:58] <Hukka> I tried to install 10.04 to MacBook via USB stick but the stick doesn't become bootable. The image is dd:ed just fine, it mounts properly under OS X and all the files show there, but can't get the mac to boot from it. Any hints, has somebody managed to do this?
[15:58] <BUGabundo_remote> you can upgrade with UM
[15:58] <irv> or implied
[15:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Hukka: don't think that works on MAC
[15:58] <ojii> Hukka, i didn't manage to boot from USB either, use a CD instead
[15:59] <Hukka> BUGabundo_remote: Hm, I thought that the howto at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick#From Mac would apply
[15:59] <Hukka> ojii: Optical drive is broken, and no word from Apple support yet...
[16:00] <z0rt|work> mvo: bug number is 571743
[16:00] <ojii> Hukka, did you install the thing on osx that allows booting from USB?
[16:00] <Hukka> Not aware of such thing
[16:00] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 571743
[16:00] <Hukka> (As the guide doesn't mention anything special)
[16:02] <zetheroo> how many hours till release?
[16:02] <Hukka> ojii: What "thing" did you mean?
[16:02] <Taliesin`> clemyeats: Im sure Colin Watson did test it
[16:02] <ojii> Hukka, I don't remember
[16:03] <Taliesin`> he did it from within his virutal environment testing the changes before spinning the iso
[16:03] <clemyeats> Taliesin`: yeah right.
[16:03] <clemyeats> Taliesin`: I'm sure he had time.. wait he didn't.
[16:04] <zetheroo> is Lucid released yet? .. it's the 30th of April here
[16:04] <Taliesin`> zetheroo: nope
[16:04] <agronholm> !isitoutyet
[16:04] <villemv> alright. ubuntu-release-party officially sucks
[16:05] <ianwizard> yes, but I'm still there anyway.
[16:05] <mdlueck> @ubottu, "WHY NOT!" ;-)
[16:05] <clemyeats> Taliesin`: did you get the ISO btw?
[16:05] <ratcheer> villemv: I was just about to say something similar.
[16:05] <Taliesin`> ehh
[16:05] <Taliesin`> the server is a bit bogged :/
[16:05] <clemyeats> Taliesin`: can you check the version of the oem-config in the pool directory?
[16:06] <Taliesin`> yeah thats what im intending to do
[16:06] <clemyeats> Taliesin`: ok
[16:06] <Taliesin`> see if it .24 :)
[16:06] <clemyeats> yep
[16:06] <clemyeats> not that I'm doubting Colin Watson or anything hmm? ....
[16:06] <Taliesin`> aye
[16:06] <Taliesin`> but mistakes do happen
[16:06] <clemyeats> I need some air, I'm getting cynical now.
[16:06] <Taliesin`> clemyeats: lol
[16:07] <phps> has somebody here problems with copying or moving large files with nautilus?
[16:07] <Taliesin`> yeah me too, cigarette air :D
[16:07] <clem_away> Taliesin`: they tend to happen more when no testing is done though...
[16:07] <Taliesin`> true ;)
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> phps: up to 50GBs no prob here
[16:09] <BUGabundo_remote> hey BluesKaj. welcome to the party
[16:10] <BluesKaj> howdy BUGabundo_remote , no party here, sources aren't serving any goodies :)
[16:10] <Taliesin`> :P
[16:10] <gaza302> is ubuntu still going to be officaly released today... website still not updated
[16:11] <ellar> as we all wait for the release, time to say thank you to you all, for fixing the Bug #530605 as example!
[16:11] <phps> BUGabundo_remote: ok thanks, maybe its because i use commit=100 for ext4 partition
[16:11] <om26er> any one find empathy fonts to be small with the new theme?
[16:12] <BUGabundo_remote> ellar: its fixed! what else do you want
[16:12] <ellar> say thank you to all for the work=! :-)
[16:13] <gaza302> anyone knows if lucid is still going to be officialy released today}{|"
[16:14] <charlie-tca> gaza302: yes
[16:14] <Jake2|cfl> !isitout|gaza302
[16:14] <BluesKaj> gaza302, we're all waiting , today is supposed to be the day
[16:16] <gaza302> ubottu: you're a dumb bot lol  it's today!!
[16:17] <Jake2|cfl>  :)
[16:17] <Jake2|cfl> gotta love a bot with a sense of humor
[16:18] <saurus> 12 minutes
[16:18] <saurus> yeah
[16:19] <rohan> saurus: 12 minutes to release?
[16:19] <saurus> 11 minutes to release
[16:19] <saurus> yes
[16:19] <rohan> saurus: how do you know? :s
[16:19] <saurus> it is scheduled
[16:20] <saurus> #ubuntu-release-party
[16:20] <Jake2|cfl> saurus: said by whom?
[16:20] <rohan> exactly
[16:20] <saurus> xomp
[16:20] <rohan> if it's not released in 11 minutes, we'll all bash saurus up
[16:21] <saurus> mwhahahahaahhahahahahahahahhaha
[16:21] <digitalstimulus> does anyone know if it is possible to use the chat/mail notification applet to automatically check email?
[16:21] <coz_> digitalstimulus,  I am not sure  sorry
[16:21] <digitalstimulus> the applet for chat/email/broadcast
[16:21] <blackxored> Xorg is consuming a lot of cpu with and without video=vesafb, can someone tell me if this is a known issue, or just my notebook?
[16:22] <BluesKaj> that ubuntu reklease party chat is fll of ppl making comments to the crowd , but ppl aren't speaking to anyone in particular.
[16:22] <digitalstimulus> release party channel is nuts
[16:22] <saurus> rohan... if it was released?
[16:22] <rohan> blackxored: which video card?
[16:22] <Jake2|cfl> BluesKaj: it is a mess over there
[16:22] <BluesKaj> Jake2|cfl, yeah it's silly
[16:23] <blackxored> rohan, see:
[16:23] <blackxored> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller [8086:2a42] (rev 07)
[16:23] <rohan> saurus: you'll have my heartfelt appreciation :P
[16:23] <saurus> six minutes
[16:23] <BluesKaj> "is it out yet"...I remember that from karmic ...every second entry in the chat
[16:24] <rohan> blackxored: strange.. no idea sorry
[16:24] <saurus> ...only this?
[16:24] <saurus> rohan you aren't right
[16:24] <saurus> XD
[16:24] <rohan> :P
[16:24] <saurus> sorry 4 my bad english :D
[16:25] <Taliesin`> oh so close to cracking 2000 users in #ubuntu :P
[16:25]  * BluesKaj goes for another coffee , no rush ...i have yard work to do so maybe I'll wait til the run on the servers is dwindled some what.
[16:25] <blackxored> Xorg is consuming 15-20.00 CPU when it normally was 7.00 or less than that
[16:25] <mvo> z0rt|work: could you please try to remove either xubuntu-desktop or ubutnu-desktop prior to the upgrade? it appears because of the libsdl1.2debian-alsa <-> pulseaudio conflicts u-m is having difficulties upgrading them together
[16:25] <saurus> 4 minutes..... yeah
[16:27] <Doggod> saurus, who is your source? :D
[16:27] <Jake2|cfl> will the repo's be up to date when the iso is released
[16:27] <saurus> Doggod, don't worry
[16:28] <saurus> be happy :D
[16:28] <rohan> saurus: so, you were wrong :P
[16:28] <saurus> whay?
[16:28] <saurus> *why?
[16:28] <Jake2|cfl> not yet--2 more minutes, maybe
[16:28] <rohan> ok, benefit of doubt to you.. ;)
[16:29] <saurus> ;)
[16:29] <Doggod> saurus, i hope you're right
[16:29] <Jake2|cfl> will the repo's be up to date when the iso is released?
[16:29] <saurus> load time is about 3-4 minutes
[16:29] <Doggod> once in life I'll have blind faith in something
[16:29] <BonezAU> Jake2|cfl, yes
[16:29] <Jake2|cfl> thx
[16:29] <saurus> so x:30 + 0:04
[16:30] <Jake2|cfl> whassat mean
[16:30] <Jake2|cfl> ?
[16:30] <saurus> Doggod, I know I'm right
[16:31] <Jake2|cfl> what does so x:30 + 0:04 mean?
[16:31] <rohan> now can we bash saurus :P
[16:31] <saurus> -.-
[16:31] <saurus> no
[16:31] <Jake2|cfl> if it isn't out, yes
[16:31] <saurus> you must wait 3-4 minutes
[16:31] <rohan> it isn't
[16:32] <Jake2|cfl> saurus: u said 1130 EDT
[16:32] <Doggod> SAURUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS!!!!
[16:32] <Taliesin`> off with his head? :)
[16:32] <saurus> -.-
[16:32] <Doggod> you are worse than Kahn
[16:32] <Jake2|cfl> no, fingernail
[16:32]  * rohan bashes saurus :P
[16:32] <saurus> -.-
[16:32] <Taliesin`> It was like a million voices screaming out at once, then.... nothing.
[16:33]  * Jake2|cfl laughs and says "who cares"
[16:33] <saurus> -.-
[16:33]  * enyc hops around impatiently, again ;-)
[16:33] <Flynsarmy> is it out yet?
[16:33] <bmunger> will the ubuntu netboot cd image have the grub2 problem?
[16:33] <rohan> Flynsarmy: no
[16:33] <enyc> Flynsarmy: no
[16:33] <Flynsarmy> :(
[16:33] <yofel> !outyet
[16:33] <rohan> bmunger: yes
[16:33] <Flynsarmy> it's the 30th here :(
[16:33] <enyc> bmunger: what problems have you been having with grub2?
[16:33] <clemyeats> Flynsarmy: then wait for yesterday
[16:33] <rohan> but since the problem is now solved, bmunger , no
[16:33] <yofel> Flynsarmy: sometime on the 29th in some timezone, not yours
[16:33] <Jake2|cfl> not here
[16:34] <Flynsarmy> clemyeats, on it
[16:34] <saurus> Yeah... now is available
[16:34] <kwtm> Flynsarmy: Yeah,m tell me about it.  This release thing is overhyhped.
[16:34] <Jake2|cfl> ppl HERE are overhyping
[16:34] <bmunger> enyc: i just read on phoronix about the grub2 issue with dual os.. i dont have that problem, but was just asking if netboot image was affected since it pulls majority of packages off repo directly
[16:34] <Flynsarmy> kwtm, i only asked if it was out yet because the last 2 releases had a trigger where the bot delays it an hour. it doesn't seem to have it this time :(
[16:34] <yofel> can we move the release wait spam to #ubuntu-release-party please?
[16:34] <enyc> bmunger: iam stantinc infront of a machine where i have for some reason replaced grub2 with grub for the time being. but this is 9.10 upgraded to 10.04 ....
[16:35] <Taliesin`> Flynsarmy: it does in the release party room ;)
[16:35] <Taliesin`> i was up to may 9th, about 3 hours ago :P
[16:35] <Flynsarmy> didn't realize there was another room. whast the channel?
[16:35] <bmunger> i plan on a clean install as only os, so it doesnt affect me, was just curiousity
[16:35] <yofel> Flynsarmy: we posted the channel twice already...
[16:35] <Jake2|cfl> !isitout
[16:36] <bmunger> rohan: thanks for clearing that up
[16:36] <saurus> -.-
[16:36] <saurus> why there is no torrent yet?
[16:36] <jpds> saurus: It's not been announced?
[16:36] <Doggod> SAURUUUUS!!!
[16:36] <sje46> saurus, it's not ready yet
[16:36] <yofel> saurus: because it isn't releasedyet?
[16:36] <Taliesin`> :P
[16:36] <Taliesin`> But hey
[16:36]  * Oxymoron thinks people are *buntu horny :D
[16:36] <Taliesin`> There is a change coming ;)
[16:36] <charlie-tca> bmunger: that bug is the reason the cd's are being rebuilt now
[16:36] <saurus> -.-
[16:37] <charlie-tca> It will not be present in the final release
[16:37] <saurus> I just dowloading from garr
[16:37] <saurus> *it
[16:37] <saurus> http
[16:37] <Oxymoron> saurus: garr?
[16:37] <saurus> yeah
[16:37] <Oxymoron> saurus: Whats garr?
[16:37] <Doggod> charlie-tca, the iso-s are rebuild already, no?
[16:37] <saurus> mirror
[16:38] <sje46> so once lucid is officially released, while this channel instantly be about maverick?
[16:38] <Doggod> iirc they were already being tested about an hour ago
[16:38] <charlie-tca> some are, some are still running
[16:38] <Oxymoron> saurus: Really, I cant get anything yet, but then I am updating for Kubuntu, maybe it will take some more time :P
[16:38] <Doggod> well, the desktop editions were :D
[16:38] <bmunger> charlie-tca: right, but being that netboot is small and repo dependant, wondered if that was affected
[16:38] <charlie-tca> yes
[16:38] <Taliesin`> i beleive the netbook and the DVD are still spinning
[16:39] <bmunger> charlie-tca: thanks
[16:39] <charlie-tca> It was a migration=assistant issue, anything that used it was affected
[16:39] <bmunger> ok
[16:39] <Jake2|cfl> do ppl watching here have a real job other than watch irc?
[16:39] <enyc> Jake2|cfl: maybe
[16:39] <bmunger> im at work right now
[16:39] <sje46> nope.  I'm with the press
[16:39] <Oxymoron> saurus: Btw, which garr?
[16:39] <Doggod> Jake2|cfl,  no comment
[16:39] <yofel> !ot
[16:39] <sje46> /nick ABCNews
[16:40] <sje46> whoops
[16:40] <donpdonp> busted!
[16:40] <saurus> Btw stand for?
[16:40] <rae> By the way
[16:40] <donpdonp> by the way
[16:41] <saurus> Oxymoron, it
[16:41] <Oxymoron> saurus: it? :P
[16:41] <progre55> !milestones
[16:41] <saurus> Oxymoron, 3Kb down :(
[16:42] <ianwizard> so is it the GRUB bug, or the X bug, that's holding things up?
[16:42] <progre55> !outyet
[16:42] <Oxymoron> saurus: Haha, nice :D
[16:42] <saurus> ubottu, suca
[16:42] <yofel> ianwizard: grub bug, what x bug do you mean?
[16:42] <ianwizard> the memory leak, but thanks for letting me know.
[16:43] <yofel> gem memleak was fixed a few days ago already
[16:43] <saurus> -.-
[16:43] <Doggod> memory leak bug was fixed
[16:43] <saurus> where I can find torrent?
[16:43] <Doggod> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[16:43] <saurus> only http is available?
[16:44] <Doggod> no torrent available yet
[16:44] <yofel> saurus: if you don't have anything better to do than wait for lucid to be released then please do it in #ubuntu-release-party (and the torrents aren't officially out until the isos are synced on the mirrors)
[16:45] <saurus> yofel, sorry
[16:45] <Oxymoron> yofel: When do you think Kubuntu mirrors will be in sync and available with "apt-get dist-upgrade"? :P
[16:45] <dividedby0zero> so, when does it hit?
[16:45] <yofel> Oxymoron: wait, are you running karmic or lucid?
[16:46] <Oxymoron> yofel: Lucid RC or Beta2, dont know anymore? :P
[16:46] <arand> This is why it was delayed (see bug reprot for more info, but plaese don't spam it, it has enough already): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2010-04-29-Late-respin-for-bug-570765
[16:46] <yofel> !final | Oxymoron
[16:47] <Taliesin`> omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg omg.... an IncidentReport link again -_-
[16:47] <Oxymoron> yofel: What, so you mean I am running the latest final stable version? :D
[16:47] <Taliesin`> well
[16:47] <Taliesin`> yeah
[16:47] <porcozeus> Oxymoron download 10.04 from garr
[16:47] <yofel> Oxymoron: yes, if you have all updates then you're running final already
[16:48] <Oxymoron> yofel: Hahahaha :D Not sure if U have all updates but I think so :P You know my video output problem before, it appeared again later on :D But VLC works with standard output strange enough :D
[16:48] <Oxymoron> * I have
[16:49] <yofel> yeah ^^
[16:49] <Oxymoron> yofel: Wonder if it will or have been solved in Dragon and Kaffeine now :P
[16:50] <yofel> well, that depends on the issue, all players work fine for me for all cases
[16:50] <Oxymoron> I am most sure its not any wrong in my settings or so. I tested to delete .kde and /home folder before and same error :D
[16:50] <Oxymoron> yofel: Its still that transparency thing.
[16:50] <brianherman> #ubuntu-testing #ubuntu-release-party
[16:50] <yofel> well, then I don't know what's wrong, works fine here
[16:50] <Oxymoron> And cant go fullscreen mode sometimes, I am not sure what the problem is. Maybe some kind of conflict with some codec or anything I have installed :P
[16:51] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you think I can uninstall ibus? :P
[16:51] <clemyeats> Oxymoron: yes
[16:51] <Oxymoron> clemyeats: What did you answering on? :P
[16:51] <clemyeats> Oxymoron: removing ibus
[16:51] <ianwizard> I don't dual boot, so can I use update-manager -d and get everything.  Or should I wait until it's officially released?
[16:52] <Oxymoron> clemyeats: Even ibus-qt4? :P
[16:52] <clemyeats> Oxymoron: yes
[16:52] <alias_neo> any release time for this yeat?
[16:53] <researcher1> is 10.04 released?
[16:53] <Oxymoron> Hmm: "update-alternatives: varning: forcing reinstallation of alternative  because link group xinput-all_ALL is broken."
[16:53] <Jeeves_> researcher1: Nope
[16:53] <yofel> !outyet | researcher1
[16:54] <aryan> will be there a delay?
[16:54] <yofel> aryan: not much, but it will be late because of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IncidentReports/2010-04-29-Late-respin-for-bug-570765
[16:55] <Oxymoron> clemyeats: Hmm still not working after removed ibus :P
[16:55] <clemyeats> Oxymoron: I only meant yes, you can safely remove ibus.
[16:55] <Oxymoron> yofel: If I would backup /home folder and remove my installation and do a clean install of 10.04 I guess this will be solved. But the question is, will all my settings be intact? :P
[16:56] <Oxymoron> clemyeats: Alright :P
[16:56] <Oxymoron> yofel: I got this problem: "[mpeg4 @ 0x9bc4670]Invalid and inefficient vfw-avi packed B frames detected"
[16:56] <yofel> Oxymoron: if you backup /home all user settings will be preserved, system settings not (maybe backup /etc too if you find out later that you need something after all)
[16:57] <Oxymoron> yofel: And /usr/local as well I guess :P Hmm I think I backup the whole freaking partition and then move /home and files I need if I need them :D
[16:58] <Oxymoron> yofel: I mostly want to save my icons, themes, cairo dock settings and hopefully my apache/LAMP settings for my website :P
[16:58] <Oxymoron> Whats the most easiest way to backup the / folder/partition?
[16:59] <yofel> gui settings: backup /home, for apache you should backup /etc/apache2 I guess
[16:59] <progre55> !outyet
[17:00] <Oxymoron> yofel: I remember mostly preserve Apache because it took ages to fix mod_rewrite work as I wanted it to do, a2enmod modrewrite doesnt work, you need to fix some more things, at least for my web application you need :P
[17:00] <BluesKaj> well this chat is still here so the new OS ain't out yet :)
[17:00] <frybye> Hi - I have a pc with win7-x64 on c: and it puts its docs, pics and vids on a d: - If I use the lucid auto install to install alongside win7 will the c+d setup cause problems...?
[17:00] <Doggod> did the DVD-s finished rebuilding yet?
[17:01] <Doggod> hell yeah, dvd tests are run now it seems
[17:02] <yofel> Doggod: better you asked this in #ubuntu-testing, they're more up-to-date on the isos
[17:02] <rohan> cool all tests validated on desktop x86 and x64 images
[17:02] <Doggod> yeah, looks like release is very close
[17:04] <MotherMGA> Hi, I'm having a problem with my Sony Viao E series laptop.  My edge scrolling is enabled on my touchpad, but it doesn't work. Are there any work arounds?
[17:04] <BluesKaj> frybye, best to set up a new partition manually in a free space on your hard drive. I recommend gparted live cd , create an ext4 partition for ubuntu , then install it there with manual partioning.
[17:04] <Oxymoron> How do I tarball my / root folder?
[17:05] <enyc> MotherMGA: what do you mean 'edge scrolling is enabled' ?  -- is that a BIOS setting?  a switch on the machine?
[17:05] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, why would you do that?
[17:05] <frybye> Blues - but then it won't fix the dual-boot situation autom. I dont have much idea on grub etc...?
[17:05] <bp0> Oxymoron, thats a bad idea
[17:06] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: For backup my system before do a clean install.
[17:06] <Oxymoron> bp0: Why so?
[17:06] <MotherMGA> enyc: In System->Preferences->Mouse->Touchpad
[17:07] <MotherMGA> I have a dual boot and the edge scrolling works in windows 7, so I doubt its a bios problem.
[17:07] <BluesKaj> I don't understand this clean install obsession, oxymoron, unless your install is unfixable
[17:08] <dividedby0zero_> While it's true that upgrading ubuntu installs is certainly easier and better than windows installs, if you back up user data and are able, fresh installs are always a good practice
[17:09] <frybye> BluesKaj: considering my general lack of grub and similar knowledge - what do you think the chances are that an autom dual boot install will work?  Is there a quite good chance it will be OK - or is the thing dodgy...?
[17:09] <Oxymoron> BluesKaj: Preserve settings and then fix my system to be completly clean because I cant fix my freaking video output problem.
[17:09] <moderndayzero> anyone know how to put the network connections back on the top panel i cant seem to find the same exact application that was originally there
[17:10] <BluesKaj> frybye, don't worry about grub , look at your partition table with gparted , and let us know what you have first.
[17:11] <SandGorgon> just curious - how many people here had a worse out-of-the-box experience with Lucid (Beta2 and later) than with the _current_ release of 9.10 ?
[17:11] <MotherMGA> moderndayzero: right click on the panel -> add to panel -> notification area -> add
[17:11] <BluesKaj> Oxymoron, reinstall over your existing system and it will leave your config files intact if you don't format.
[17:12] <frybye> BluesKaj: ok - be back in a bit...
[17:12] <MotherMGA> SandGorgon: my experience has been slightly better.
[17:12] <moderndayzero> sweet now is there a way to add that to cairo aswell?
[17:12] <MotherMGA> everything dependant on the support for ATI mobility radeon 5xxx drivers.
[17:12] <downhill_> why don't they release the .torrent before the images on the mirrors?
[17:13] <downhill_> I mean, that'd cut down a bit on the mirror traffic, I bet. if there was some delay
[17:16] <FardadJalili> anyone can help me about the things I have to backup before a clean install, something like /var/cache/apt/archives/* ?
[17:16] <switchgirl> !release
[17:16] <switchgirl> hi
[17:16] <Marttin> hi
[17:17] <MotherMGA> enyc: did you have any suggestions on the touchpad edge scrolling problem?
[17:18] <downhill_> switchgirl: was that directed at me? heh
[17:18] <switchgirl> any of the 570 people here
[17:18] <downhill_> oh ok
[17:19] <downhill_> I was just gonna say, that really didn't have *anything* to do with what I asked hehe
[17:19] <om26er> switchgirl, every body is at release part
[17:19] <om26er> party
[17:19] <downhill_> I'm not.
[17:20] <om26er> my bad
[17:21] <Dr-Ubuntu> that channel is driving my nuts
[17:23] <gorgonzola> join ub ubuntu-release-party
[17:23] <progre55> #ubuntu-release-party
[17:23] <Marttin> #
[17:23] <Marttin> thanks
[17:24] <progre55> or #ubuntu-release-after-party :D
[17:24] <Marttin> xDDDDDDDdd
[17:24] <Marttin> invite only
[17:24] <Marttin> invite me progre
[17:24] <Marttin> eres español?
[17:24] <brianherman> can i get unbanned from ubuntu-release party
[17:24] <brianherman> i think i was too excited
[17:24] <enan> Anyone have a m-audio usb card running in lucyd? it works?
[17:25] <Marttin> oh swedish
[17:26] <charlie-tca> brianherman: you need to ask in #ubuntu-ops
[17:27] <brianherman> how do i zsync
[17:28] <charlie-tca> !zsync
[17:28] <downhill_> don't you mean rsync? heh
[17:28] <brianherman> oh
[17:28] <brianherman> can you post the command please
[17:28] <brianherman> i dont know my rsync
[17:29] <BluesKaj> what's the point of the release party room, nobody talks to anyone e, it's just ppl making comments or asking , "is it out yet"
[17:29] <downhill_> well there's zsync too, but rsync is used more
[17:29] <vish> when is this channel gonna be closed?
[17:29] <vish> and redirected to #ubuntu
[17:29] <downhill_> when Ubuntu stops being made? heh
[17:30] <vish> downhill_: well , it usually gets closed on release or around that time..
[17:30] <brianherman> is it something like rsync sudo rsync --delete -azvv -e ssh /home/path/folder1/ remoteuser@remotehost.remotedomain:/home/path/folder2
[17:30] <UTF> i think i did something wrong somehow... lol... my alt+tab isn't working anymore... anyone knows what i have done?
[17:31] <downhill_> vish: why not just have it be a perma channel? heh
[17:31] <downhill_> meh
[17:31] <downhill_> brianherman: oh I see why you asked about zsync now :)
[17:33] <C-S-B> anyone know hoew
[17:33] <C-S-B> oops
[17:33] <C-S-B> anyone know how to create a script to switch audio output?
[17:34] <coz_> C-S-B,   I dont sorry but you might want to check in the ##Linux channel
[17:34] <C-S-B> http://www.backports.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8596595 <- this doesnt work,
[17:35] <MotherMGA> UTF: System->preferences->keyboard shortcuts.
[17:35] <C-S-B> MotherMGA, i know how to create a shortcut
[17:36] <C-S-B> its the script I dont
[17:37] <MotherMGA> C-S-B: my comment was for UTF. I don't know how to do your script.
[17:38] <schweegi> i've just write you and i'm banned in the release party and #ubuntu??? thats not fair of you.
[17:38] <schweegi> !op
[17:39] <jpds> schweegi: #ubuntu-ops please
[17:39] <bazhang> schweegi, ?
[17:39] <UTF> MotherMGA, thanks bro 8) still reading thru the list
[17:41] <UTF> MotherMGA, u know which one of them that is suppose to be alt+tab?
[17:41] <moderndayzero> does anyone know how to add the notification area for the wifi to cairo dock?
[17:44] <MotherMGA> UTF: I'm not sure.  You normally loose Alt-Tab when you switch to a different switcher in compiz.  not sure if you're using that, but you could check there too.
[17:44] <researcher1> when will 10.04 be released]
[17:44] <yofel> researcher1: soon
[17:44] <UTF> MotherMGA, aha! i did that the other day! thanks for the heads up
[17:44] <MotherMGA> utf: np. goodluck
[17:45] <BUGabundo_remote> humm why isn't crimsun in that OP list?!
[17:46] <klaxian> upon upgrade to lucid today, dmraid is removed by default.  i run my system on a raid array.  do i need to install this back before rebooting or is raid handled in some other way now?
[17:46] <UTF> There we go all working again
[17:46] <UTF> Thanks a ton MotherMGA
[17:46] <UTF> :))
[17:46] <MotherMGA> UTF: Sweet!
[17:47] <UTF> ahhhh man i just love alt+tab
[17:47]  * UTF alt+tabs thru everything
[17:49] <MotherMGA> I have edge scrolling enabled in System->Preferences->Mouse->Touchpad, but its not working. Anyone have suggestions?
[17:50] <shoonya> lucid lynx released
[17:51] <jpds> shoonya: No, it isn't.
[17:51] <shoonya> jpds: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[17:51] <jpds> shoonya: It's not released, until it's *ANNOUNCED*.
[17:52] <researcher1> im using beta of Lynx
[17:52] <researcher1> what should i do today?
[17:52] <progre55> !outyet
[17:52] <joaopinto> !final | researcher1
[17:53] <researcher1> ubottu: ok.thanks
[17:54] <bp0> eh, noticed some bugs
[17:54] <bp0> the magnifier in "universal access" in gdm is not usable
[17:54] <bp0> corrput screen in the magnified view
[17:55] <ubutom> hi, anyone know if that shop system will be included in the final? I can't really say I found it yet :)
[17:55] <MrKeuner> bp0, this place is not for bug reports. Please use, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs
[17:55] <Doggod> is this the real release? http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[17:56] <JanC> Doggod: it's not announced yet, and please use a local mirror
[17:56] <Doggod> okay
[17:56] <Doggod> thx
[17:56] <cdE|Woozy> bp0: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-mag/+bug/416279
[17:56] <bp0> yes, what is the package... ok
[17:57] <donpdonp> whoho. the release appears to be happening
[17:57] <Doggod> sweet
[17:57] <Doggod> downloading from german mirror :)
[17:57] <Frankie1> Many card games start and stay blank green
[17:57] <Frankie1> process shows as sleeping - have to kill it
[17:58] <Frankie1> ?
[17:59] <Doggod> sweet
[17:59] <Doggod> mirrors seem to go up fast
[18:00] <MrKeuner> torrents not working, yet or is it my ... ISP?
[18:00] <dupondje> Installeren van nieuwe versie van configuratiebestand /etc/xdg/autostart/gnome-at-session.desktop ...
[18:00] <dupondje> WARNING: Failed to parse default value `[????????? ???????;gnome-appearance-properties.desktop,????????? ???????????? ???????????;gnome-default-applications.desktop,?????????? ??????????;system-config-printer.desktop] ' for schema (/schemas/apps/control-center/cc_actions_list)
[18:00] <dupondje> any idea ?
[18:02] <Oxymoron> Is it possible to download Kubuntu DVD 10.04 anywhere? :P
[18:02] <shoonya> Oxymoron: http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/
[18:03] <racecar56> ubuntu 10.04 coming soon?
[18:03] <Oxymoron> shoonya: Spank you very much! :) Hopefully someone will paste it on news page as well :)
[18:03] <Maakuth> racecar56, it is
[18:03] <Doggod> duuuuude
[18:03] <Doggod> there ara friggin lot of peers on the torrents
[18:04] <Doggod> amazing
[18:04] <racecar56> i wanna torrent it too
[18:04] <Doggod> i <3 bittorrent because of this
[18:04] <Doggod> http://torrent.ubuntu.com:6969/
[18:04] <Doggod> it is such a robust protocol, it was basically made for this kind of stuff
[18:04] <Oxymoron> yofel: This seem to be my video problem https://bugs.launchpad.net/cairo-dock-core/+bug/475375 :P
[18:04] <racecar56> yay DLing!
[18:05] <Frankie1> !games
[18:05] <Doggod> so
[18:05] <Maakuth> Doggod, yeah. hopefully open bittorrent clients soon implement also the µtp protocol
[18:05] <Doggod> yeah
[18:05] <Frankie1> anybody else has card games freeze on 64 bit ?
[18:05] <Doggod> that would be cool
[18:05] <Maakuth> it's even better
[18:05] <racecar56> wooo! lots of peers!
[18:05] <Doggod> but the best thing to happen to torrents is DHT and magnet links
[18:06] <yofel> Oxymoron: what the hell...?
[18:06] <Doggod> i think magnet links are so much more urgent feature than µtp
[18:06] <Maakuth> Doggod, yes, they make it unbreakable
[18:07] <Oxymoron> yofel: I have no freaking idea, but after some research on Google it doesnt seem to be a Cairo dock issue, its QT4 together with OpenGL and Cairo dock which affect ALL video output.
[18:07] <Doggod> Maakuth, one thing I like more than bittorrent is kademlia
[18:07] <Oxymoron> yofel: Maybe I dont have to do a clean install after all, but I need to find a fix.
[18:07] <Doggod> bittorrent's DHT is based on that
[18:07] <yofel> well, it's possible as I don't use cairo dock here
[18:08] <Oxymoron> yofel: Some settings in QT or so must have been changed when INstalled Cairo Dock because it doesnt work if I uninstall Cairo dock either, I tried before.
[18:09] <Maakuth> Doggod, at least azureuz's.. there's two dht implementations, isn't there?
[18:09] <Doggod> i think so
[18:10] <Doggod> but the one that has more spread was the one the mainline client picked up
[18:10] <Doggod> and that was the kad based one
[18:10] <sholden> so... is this the spot to ask about gwibber?  or do they have another irc?
[18:10] <Oxymoron> yofel: For VLC it have been fixed as it works with default video output, but dragon, kaffeine, Amarok and so on doesnt work to output video. THOUGH maplyer and xine libraries in temrinal can play video without problem. There is something with QT and rendering windows because I also got some kind of ghost effects though its not my monitor.
[18:12] <Oxymoron> yofel: I quote: "For whatever reason, when Cairo-Dock is started Qt4-X11 starts using the ARGB X11 visual, instead of normal RGB. I don't know why, but I assume it's the intended behaviour. Indeed, all Qt4 widgets work fine that way."
[18:13] <yofel> ...
[18:13] <Oxymoron> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/vlc/+bug/416294/comments/10
[18:14] <SandGorgon> anybody who wants an amazing bittorrent client and is not anal about it being a QT (not KDE) app - do use qbittorrent. It actually was one of the platforms on which DHT was first developed and has had magnet support for ages. Looks a lot like utorrent
[18:14] <downhill_> I'm seeding the 64-bit server ISO.
[18:14] <downhill_> enjoy
[18:14] <Oxymoron> yofel: SO there is something with X11, QT4 and how applications choose RGB mide :P
[18:14]  * yofel seeds kubuntu and ubuntu desktop i386/amd64
[18:14] <Oxymoron> Not a *buntu issue I guess, not itself anyway.
[18:14] <rohan> who, SandGorgon , qbittorrent actually looks awesome
[18:15] <rohan> yofel: did you download the ISOs already?
[18:15] <downhill_> yofel: it's done already?
[18:15] <racecar56> lots of people...
[18:15] <SandGorgon> rohan, of course it does. And its just one more step for me in my quest for Akonadi/Strigi/Nepomuk/Ark free existence
[18:15] <racecar56> here and in bittorrent too
[18:15] <yofel> I synced my daily builds a while ago, the isos are finished but testing is still being done, and it won't be released until that's finished
[18:16] <downhill_> whatever that means
[18:16] <Mandrew> is it even worth to put a INTEL X25-M 2,5" 80GB SSD SATA/300 MLC 34NM into a acer aspire 531h?
[18:16] <downhill_> my Ubuntu Server 10.04 LTS AMD64 ISO is done and seeding. :)
[18:16] <Oxymoron> yofel: WOW I got it working by using this command :O export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 && dragon
[18:17] <yofel> heh
[18:17] <yofel> well, as long as it works :)
[18:17] <MrKeuner> downhill_, mine has just started downloading :)
[18:17] <racecar56> SSD? nice...
[18:17] <MrKeuner> downhill_, thanks
[18:17] <yofel> ah, iso testing is finished so release should be soon :)
[18:17] <downhill_> I just hope more people than not keep seeding once theirs is finished
[18:17] <racecar56> i'll seed
[18:18] <MrKeuner> downhill_, I'll keep this seeding as long as I can, probably a week or so
[18:18] <Doggod> i'm all confused now
[18:18] <downhill_> MrKeuner: sounds good ^_^
[18:18] <racecar56> usually as long as i have this comp on i seed torrents
[18:18] <Doggod> in the party chan they say that the torrents are not official
[18:18] <amereservant> Wow, this is so much calmer.
[18:18] <Doggod> but the question is: are they LEGIT
[18:18] <downhill_> Doggod: they are.
[18:18] <Doggod> then tell that to ikonia too
[18:19] <Oxymoron> yofel: Yeah, but would be nice not to need doing that export every single time launching video players :P Only video player that works out of the box is VLC. I like VLC mostly but its slow starting and Dragon PLayer have a more nice GUI mostly.
[18:19] <amereservant> Doggod: They are of the RC version.
[18:19] <yofel> Doggod: they are not official yet, but the the chances that they will be redone is very low
[18:19] <amereservant> Until the official release is made, they all refer to the RC version.
[18:19] <downhill_> heh
[18:19] <racecar56> so, it isn't out :|
[18:19] <Doggod> i seeee
[18:19] <Doggod> that is just mean....
[18:19] <amereservant> They've said 10.04 for a while now.
[18:19] <racecar56> yea i did notice the front page saying it's coming soon
[18:20] <ccmonster> .....?
[18:20] <Doggod> there are over 2000 people downloading the i386 iso
[18:20] <racecar56> cool
[18:20] <Doggod> on bittorrent
[18:20] <racecar56> but, not cool
[18:20] <Doggod> yeah
[18:20] <racecar56> yea
[18:20] <ccmonster> so its 10.04 fully released?
[18:20] <Doggod> because they all will have a problem with grub
[18:20] <ccmonster> is*
[18:20] <Doggod> sucks
[18:20] <racecar56> ccmonster: no
[18:20] <racecar56> ccmonster: very soon it will be... or should be
[18:20] <DaBOSS> ubuntu release party is crazy 1500 peeps, please join!! a new record to break!
[18:20] <Doggod> well, not all of them, only those who want to dual boot
[18:21] <amereservant> I'm currently running 10.04RC on two pcs and no problems at all, even with the dual boot issue.
[18:21] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you think a clean install could solve the problem? :)
[18:21] <westinghouse> i need dual boot dudette
[18:21] <racecar56> i have ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 on another comp and grub is great, i quad-boot in it
[18:21] <westinghouse> i have osx and linux
[18:21] <racecar56> and no, none of the OSes are Windows in there ;)
[18:21] <AceKing> I am downloading the torrent right now
[18:21] <amereservant> Yeah, not sure what the problem is/was, but I guess it was significant.
[18:22] <racecar56> i guess i should stop downloading the torrent until it gets released?
[18:22] <ccmonster> do i just do a sudo-apt-get dist-upgrade when its ready? I am running beta2
[18:22] <amereservant> Either way, I would imagine the 10.04RC will just update to the Final version with the updates, so I don't see the big deal.
[18:22] <racecar56> ccmonster: that should be fine
[18:22] <ccmonster> k
[18:23] <rohan> yeah, the final will behave/look *exactly* same like RC
[18:23] <rohan> channel #ubuntu-release-party is going crazy!
[18:23] <racecar56> ubuntu 10.04...when are you going to come...
[18:23] <yofel> Oxymoron: honestly: no idea
[18:23] <racecar56> oooh i wanna join
[18:23]  * racecar56 joins
[18:23] <AceKing> racecar56, the torrent is out
[18:23] <aquachica> Release party is muted.  :(
[18:24] <KeithWeisshar> why is release party muted
[18:24] <DaBOSS> dammit
[18:24] <SandGorgon> all ye with 64-bit hardware and still using i386 linux.. fear not. 64-bit is very stable and does _NOT_ use double the RAM (as the FUD says). Go 64-bit !!!
[18:24] <DaBOSS> its ridiculous
[18:24] <amereservant> Because people are going nuts in there.
[18:24] <aquachica> Everyone is saying "It is out!
[18:24] <Oxymoron> yofel: Because I dont want to do a clean install and then get same problem again xD Except that all things work perfect mostly. THough I still got Dolphin crashed and doing VLC in fullscreen sometimes crash :D
[18:24] <yofel> oh, lucid's released :)
[18:24] <racecar56> IT IS?!
[18:24] <aquachica> No!
[18:24] <DaBOSS> if they dont wanna chat, they should go away, whats the point of muting IRC!!!
[18:24] <aquachica> People are saying that it is, but it isn't.
[18:24] <KeithWeisshar> are there still bugs remaining in 10.04
[18:25] <aquachica> They are having issues with the Grub.
[18:25] <racecar56> KeithWeisshar: well, no software is perfect, so yes ;)
[18:25] <DaBOSS> we r all responsible for our systems, no need to babysit us and mute the room
[18:25] <Doggod> okey cool
[18:25] <yofel> slangasek just announced it in -party
[18:25] <Doggod> it's out
[18:25] <Oxymoron> yofel: I wonder if I maybe should do clean isntall anyway, because I think I want to use ext4 and x64 install fo Kubuntu :P
[18:25] <Doggod> it was announced in -party
[18:25] <Zelozelos> what is the icon type for ubuntu and can i take a png and turn it into this type of file using gimp?
[18:26] <KeithWeisshar> the ubuntu website says it's not out yet
[18:26] <Oxymoron> yofel: Do you know if there is any huge difference by using ext4 instead of ext3? :P
[18:26] <KeithWeisshar> it still has rc
[18:26] <racecar56> Oxymoron: i'm using ext4
[18:26] <westinghouse> please use lilo
[18:26] <westinghouse> is 10.4 capable of booting btrfs?
[18:26] <BonezAU> 10.04 is now out
[18:27] <KeithWeisshar> will 10.04 be available on dvd
[18:27] <Oxymoron> racecar56: Does it work better in someway than previous ext* ?
[18:27] <kkdue> hi
 since some weeks I'm getting an error when trying to mount a partition in gnome:
[18:27] <racecar56> Oxymoron: idk it seems fine
[18:27] <amereservant> BonezAU: Are you part of the dev team?
[18:27] <racecar56> Oxymoron: i think it might be faster
[18:27] <kkdue> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/158338/Skjermdump.png
[18:27] <kbar> KeithWeisshar: do you mean the iso?
[18:27] <KeithWeisshar> the iso
[18:27] <Oxymoron> racecar56: Any new features? :P
[18:27] <yofel> Oxymoron: depends, ext4 is faster in general, but if you operate a lot with small files ext3 is faster (you'll notice that on package installation)
[18:27] <BonezAU> amereservant, no but the topic in #ubuntu-release-party has just been updated to reflect that it is now officially out
[18:27] <kbar> KeithWeisshar: its already out
[18:27] <kkdue> is it to possible to mount them using terminal, so I can see some error messages'
[18:27] <racecar56> Oxymoron: idk
[18:27] <KeithWeisshar> is there a dvd iso
[18:27] <metea> hi.  i am running 10.04 on my eeepc 901 but wireless doesn't seem to (consistently) work.  are their any solutions or is it still in the works?
[18:28] <kbar> KeithWeisshar: http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[18:28] <Oxymoron> racecar56: What does idk stands for now agan?
[18:28] <kbar> metea: try ndiswrapper
[18:28] <cousin_mario> hello
[18:28] <racecar56> Oxymoron: i don't know
[18:28] <cwillu_at_work> Oxymoron, "I don't know"
[18:28] <BUGabundo_remote> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS released
[18:28] <BUGabundo_remote> YAYA