[00:00] JanC, :) I feel sorry that Ubuntu does not have Jobs-like kharismatic person to make ANNOUNCES. [00:00] Oh yeah... rally!? :-) [00:00] Aquina: Yes, so within the next thirtysomething hours. [00:01] I think it was a bit less time between RC and final. Only a few days... [00:02] you mean, somebody who publicly says his companie releases lots of crappy software? ;-) [00:02] company [00:02] I doubt sabdfl wants to do that :P [00:02] JanC, yes. But does that in style! :) [00:04] oh it's release day =) forgot about that =) [00:04] well, "day" [00:04] "while it's 2010-04-29 in some place on Earth" spans almost 2 days ;) [00:08] Am I the only person calculating to figure out whether these are 2 days or almost 2 days... :D [00:08] it's more than 2 days [00:08] 52 hours iirc [00:09] 51:59:59 I guess [00:12] it's an illogical number due to daylight savings [00:13] also there are more than 24 time zones [00:13] a shame I'm only on UTC+12 at the moment [00:13] yeah, but you can end up with UTC+13 and UTC-13 depending on hemisphere ;) [00:14] more than [00:14] there is that weird little kink in the north pacific [00:14] there's a +14, I think [00:14] silly politics [00:14] imho we relase in UTC [00:15] rawaki is +13 normally [00:15] and tonga [00:16] xnox: your opinion is neither humble or correct ;-) [00:17] Kiritimati is +14 [00:17] wikipedia ftw [00:17] * xnox sticks his tongue out at Keybuk =) I can pretend whatever I want =) [00:17] BTW I knew there is +13 but I never thought there is +14 [00:18] there are odd timezones like +13:45 [00:20] * ajmitch is glad that the NZ mirrors don't lag too far behind this week [00:20] * jpds is glad that some NZ mirrors get pushed. [00:21] * lifeless offers a Tool [00:21] Yeah +14 exists, but isn't the calculation 12+14+23=49hrs == max time of same weekday? [00:21] and hell, I'm in NZ now. [00:21] Aquina: 49:59:59 [00:21] lifeless: I'm sure you enjoy the blazing speeds to archive.ubuntu.com then [00:22] ah ok [00:22] ajmitch: it took me a day to update after crossing the tasman. OUCH. [00:22] ajmitch: OTOH I think telecom are doing some stupid shite [00:22] that wouldn't surprise me [00:22] not my phone line, sadly [00:23] so I can't really dig in deeply to fix [00:23] dont the ISP's down there run their own mirrors too mostly ? [00:24] yes, which is why I was glad that they're not too far behind, sometimes they've been out of date by a few days [00:24] aussies and kiwis are weird [00:24] ajmitch, ouch [00:24] says the canadian [00:25] ajmitch: do you know why they have been that out of date? [00:25] their has to be a way to my my gnome-xchat ignore joins/parts when its running on my irssi proxy .... [00:25] lifeless: no I don't, someone was talking about it in #ubuntu-nz recently though [00:26] ajmitch, yea i rember TheMuso saying something along those lines, i think thats one reason he runs a local mirror [00:26] iirc [00:27] imbrandon: themuso is in .au, totally different internet landscape [00:27] yea but much of the same fundimental issues as far as limited bandwidth accross the ocean and such isnt it [00:28] imbrandon: Yeah that, and distro development is easier when you have the most recent published packages, so I have less breakage during the day when I need to test/update/test build something. [00:29] ahh right because bandwidth is cheaper at off peak hours or something like there isnt it [00:29] ( when you mirror ) [00:30] Depends on the ISP you are with. Some offer off peak quotas, and some don't. I don't like off peak quotas myself. [00:31] yea always seemed kinda wonky to me too, but i like in the US so its QUITE diffrent here than alot of the world ( for better or worse ) [00:31] s/like/live [00:31] Nafai: it's really curious that you can't reproduce bug #570809...I wonder what I could be doing different [00:31] Launchpad bug 570809 in netbook-launcher "Favorites displays application short names" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570809 [00:32] mdeslaur: yeah, that is curious. I did this all in KVM, but I can't imagine this would be any different [00:32] mdeslaur: What language/locale are you using? [00:32] Nafai: let me try again on an hp mini [00:33] Nafai: well, the live cd doesn't ask for a language/locale [00:33] right [00:33] just grasping for what might be different ;) [00:33] Nafai: When I install, I chose en_CA [00:33] Nafai: but, let me try the live cd again, just a sec [00:33] I installed as en_US, but I can't imagine that would be different [00:38] Nafai: so, I just booted the live cd, let the default language selected as "English", clicked the "try" button and it booted the desktop with the favorites menu open [00:38] Nafai: In the favorites menu, I've got "Firefox Web Browser", which is okay [00:38] Nafai: but I also have "Evolution", "Cheese", "Empathy" [00:38] * Nafai scratches head [00:39] * Nafai tries something [00:40] Is firefox 3.5 faster (+less memory footprint) vs. 3.0.19? [00:40] Aquina: yes [00:40] ah fine so they must have heard what I wrote at the mozilla zine commentary section. :-)) [00:40] Aquina: ? [00:41] Ah.. I complained about always implementing features instead of making that thing more stable and less bloated. [00:41] Aquina: we have a PPA with Firefox 3.6 as well [00:41] Aquina: and 3.6 is in Lucid [00:41] I also argued (some) corps move to propreatary stuff like Opera and thelike. [00:42] oh yes 3.6 I ment. I use hardy though and upgrade is not faar anymore... [00:42] ...at least when I have tested the upgrade procedures on ubuntu QA. [00:43] mdeslaur: Which launcher is being run? netbook-launcher-efl or netbook-launcher? [00:43] mdeslaur, Nafai: I also see that behaviour, with an en_AU locale. [00:43] RAOF: strange :( [00:44] Perhaps I should boot the live cd on my spare machine here [00:45] Nafai: it's netbook-launcher [00:45] ok, that helps [00:46] I need to run to dinner, but I'll take a look later [00:46] RAOF: Could you add an "me too" on bug #570809 [00:46] Launchpad bug 570809 in netbook-launcher "Favorites displays application short names" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570809 [00:47] Off the top of my head, I'd guess that there's something wrong with the X-GNOME-FullName handling. [00:47] RAOF: Along with which launcher is being run. [00:47] Yeah, maybe this is something for didrocks to look into and guide me on, because I know nothing about that yet :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [00:48] mdeslaur: thanks for the report, hopefully we can figure it out soon. [00:49] Nafai: ok, cool. Hope you'll be able to reproduce it! :) [01:00] lool: hey - could you update the release note from bug 423252? [01:00] Launchpad bug 423252 in sudo "NSS using LDAP+SSL breaks setuid applications like su and sudo" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/423252 === arand_ is now known as arand [01:46] how to solve my problem? when i try to boot from the lastest kernel the pc restart. if i try to boot from the oldest version i can see the ubuntu logo but not the login screen! [01:47] ive updated from 9.10 version === Amaranth_ is now known as Amaranth === yofel_ is now known as yofel === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [03:22] fabiobik: Help for Lucid is in #ubuntu+1. === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [05:32] Good morning [05:32] bryceh: confirmed, ubuntu8 is okay since we'll pocket-copy it to meerkat anyway [05:39] pitti, great [05:40] pitti, btw, sarvatt noticed that we've not been getting apport crash reports for xserver, except for binary drivers [05:41] kees, mdeslaur: so you guys moved postgresql to security after all? [05:42] pitti, looking back, we've not gotten reports except against nvidia/fglrx/vbox since 2:1.7.3.902-1ubuntu10 in early Feb, when the rethrow signals patch was re-enabled [05:42] bryceh: I think mvo noticed the same indeed :/ so that seems to be real [05:42] something to work on for meerkat I guess [05:45] kees, mdeslaur, jdstrand: it requires an authenticated attacker who also has the privilege to create and use new functions, and if you have that, you can screw over the server anyway [05:58] slangasek, cjwatson, jdong, ScottK: FYI, I just switched queuediff and sru-accept to default to lucid [05:58] Thanks. [05:58] cool, thanks [05:58] oh, that means I didn't commit my changes, oops :) [06:03] jdong: FYI, I caught up with all bug mail, and there are only two bugs left which need sponsoring; the rest is uploaded to the queue [06:04] jdong: (in case you want to delete your current load of SRU bug mail :) ) [06:04] pitti: ok awesome! I've been falling a bit behind this week :) [06:05] jdong: perhaps instead of a "needs attention" tag we need to have a landmark "all SRU mail until were processed" :) [06:05] pitti: hehehe that would be nice too :) [06:05] pitti: kinda like a google reader for SRU! [06:05] [06:05] jdong: I'll do the bulk of queue review now, but I also uploaded a few myself (which I can't process) [06:05] heh [06:06] jdong: we need cross-user offlineimap syncing [06:06] ooooh now that sounds like a good idea :) [06:06] actually, maybe this isn't such a crazy idea after all [06:07] even just a meta-sru-team IMAP account would do that [06:08] anyone have issues with a memory leak under ubuntu gnome? [06:09] i haven't determined whats causing it yet, but it seemed to be leaking a lot for me, had nearly filled my swap and actual ram with nothing running, logged out and back in, relaunched all my usual apps and only have about 800MB ram used and no swap [06:09] i saw someone earlier today complaining on the channel about what sounded similar to that [06:10] if it happens again i'll try to grab a process list with memory information and then log out and compare on a fresh login [06:11] I might have something similar. I’m running fglrx in case that matters. [06:11] ccheney: It's not the gem leak? [06:11] Subjectively the memory usage seems much higher than weeks (or something) ago. [06:11] RAOF: hmm? maybe is there info about that? [06:12] RAOF: if X was leaking that would certainly make sense since i closed all major apps and it didn't release the memory until I actually logged out [06:13] ccheney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak - but if you're up to date you should be running xserver-xorg-core 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7, which should not leak in that way. [06:14] RAOF: i don't log out that often so it might have been from the previous version [06:14] my uptime is 11 days on my laptop so i might have not logged out since before 2:1.7.6-2ubuntu7 was released [06:15] ion: You'd be seeing something else; maybe it's evolution+evolution-data-server tempting the OOM killer? :) [06:15] perhaps i should reboot to make sure i am completely up to date :) [06:16] ccheney: I'm pretty sure there's been a kernel upgrade in th elast 11 days, at least :) [06:16] RAOF: yea i think so too [06:23] raof: Nope, no evolution problem. Total memory usage is 1503 MB at the moment. The huge memory devourers are Firefox with a resident size of 220 MB, X.org with 210 MB and Vuze with 151 MB. The next worse process has only allocated 28 MB. I’d have to actually sum the amount of memory allocated by all processes, but it seems 1.5 gigabytes might be considerably more. I haven’t got around to investigating any further than this. [06:24] The first thing i probably should do would be to try with the free radeon driver. [06:26] * ccheney finished rebooting finally, fsck ran ugh === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [06:29] RAOF: thanks for the information about the gem issue :) [06:29] ccheney: wow, your machine lasted 11 days with this bug? [06:29] * pitti usually had to reboot after 6 hours [06:30] probably due to all the graphics intensive applications that I run [06:30] 4 gnome-terminals in parallel want their share! [06:32] pitti: well i don't know for sure how long i had been logged in but it was for a while [06:32] pitti: i am on x4500 so it might not have been as bad as for some [06:34] pitti: Don't tell me you don't use tabs.. [06:34] only 71MB now, not sure what it was before, heh [06:34] TheMuso: I do, why? :-) [06:34] You said 4 terminals. I thought you meant separate windows. :) [06:35] What’s wrong with separate windows? [06:35] TheMuso: it's still four separate windows, since I also like them to be side by side; and I have mutt running on another desktop [06:35] pitti: ah ok [06:36] Oh nothing. [06:36] To each their own. I have 6 terminals as tabs in one window and IRC in another window, so that tab switching doesn't clash with irssi's shortcuts for the first 10 windows. [06:37] s/10/19/ [06:37] I have only terminals as separate windows [06:37] one above the other [06:37] the other half of the screen is a vertically maximised emacs window [06:38] If i were to use a single maximized terminal window, its dimensions would be 274 columns by 76 lines. That’s a bit excessive. I find splitting the screen to multiple windows more useful. :-) [06:40] * ccheney has a terminal with screen running for 4 irc connections and a few other terminals for work [06:41] * hyperair always has byobu running. [06:41] when doing builds i login to my real system (non-laptop) and run screen on it instead of tabs, so never really use tabs for terminals [06:41] and irssi starts up with byobu [06:41] screen++ [06:43] what we really need is just a display engine that writes to the frame buffer [06:43] displays near-full screen vtes [06:43] with tabs along the top [06:43] and a button that lets you make a new vte tag [06:43] and a button that lets you make a new webkit tab [06:43] * Keybuk designs FUTURE UI [06:43] tabs waste space. [06:43] None of this messy X stuff! [06:44] keybuk: Add splitting the display to tiles and you have the basic tiling window manager. :-) [06:44] just open a vt and run byobu. problem solved. =D [06:44] ion: there's a window manager just like that for X [06:44] * Keybuk can't remember what it's called [06:44] ion: any ideas? [06:44] ion: ever heard of it? [06:45] good morning [06:45] morning dholbach [06:45] I used to use it, but then it became nonfree. :-P [06:45] hey ajmitch [06:50] jdong: if you have a minute, do you think you can review bug 562418 ? [06:50] Launchpad bug 562418 in pkg-create-dbgsym "empty ddebs when dh_strip is called twice" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562418 [06:50] pitti: sure [06:50] jdong: I'd really like to have this in -proposed/-updates soon, so that we get good ddebs as soon as we accept xorg [06:52] pitti: for a fix that'll go into -proposed that I'm sponsoring, keep the original person in the changelog, right? [06:52] ajmitch: sure, as usual [06:53] pitti: looked reasonable to me, ACKed :) [06:53] jdong: cheers [06:53] pitti: ok, will push a libsdl1.2 SRU soon then :) [07:03] pitti: I'll have a clamav SRU soon too, but the Debian changes in their next upload aren't quite doing what I'm expecting, so I need to try to talk to sgran about it. Unfortunately, I'm 3 hours further west than usual. [07:07] pitti: just passing through before bed, but if I create a user and db like so: createuser -DRS foo ; createdb -O foo foo_db ; then I can connect as 'foo' to the 'foo_db' database and use the following to crash the server 'select substring(B'10101010101010101010101010101010101010101010101',33,-15);' [07:07] Computers hate binary. [07:07] pitti: that seemed like a not so uncommon setup, so we decided to fix it [07:08] jdstrand: ok; it seemed a bit borderline to me [07:08] pitti: well, *you* fixed it, we decided to republish === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [07:09] pitti: we debated internally and thought better safe than sorry since the update was so lovingly prepared by you already :) [07:09] heh [07:10] it wasn't hard to imagine it snowballing if a crappy web app didn't filter its SQL [07:10] anyhoo, off to bed [07:10] sleep well! [07:11] thanks! :) [07:13] Hi, is there someone to poke to get a backport approved? Currently simutrans from karmic-backports is uninstallable due to a versioned dependency on a newer version of simutrans-pak64 (LP #550880) [07:13] Launchpad bug 550880 in karmic-backports "Please backport simutrans-pak64/102.2.2-1 from Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550880 [07:17] Looking [07:20] aburch: Did you test that your propose backport works? [07:21] jdong: You approved the simutrans backport. Would you please follow-up with getting it fixed? [07:24] ScottK: The PPA used for testing the simutrans backport did also include simutrans-pak64 which is why it was successfully tested at all (see LP #538897). [07:24] Launchpad bug 538897 in karmic-backports "Backport simutrans from Lucid" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538897 [07:24] OK. [07:25] jdstrand: Would you have a moment to process the backport in 550880 to fix an installability problem in backports? [07:46] jdong: I'm not done yet with the current queue, but I'll run out for an hour and continue then; I have some uploads in the queue (gdm, gvfs, gnome-keyring, totem) which need to be processed by someone else, I'll review the rest (feel free to purge your bug mail again from all the "plz test" stuff :) ) [07:46] jdong: gdm is debatable, the other three should be harmless [08:50] morning [08:55] are there any plans to have also debian-installer way of installing (so lvm/raid/crypto) available on normal ubuntu cd? [08:57] #ubuntu-motu === radoe_ is now known as radoe [08:57] bleh :) [09:32] hrw: not by way of putting d-i on it, but I do have plans to get raid/lvm/crypto support into ubiquity - just haven't yet had time to execute on them [09:33] * ogra_cmpc would love to have an in RAM mode for the live image that implements something similar to d-i netinst (install to the device you booted the installer from) [09:34] indeed that would require a lot of ram [09:34] cjwatson: I just did installation on my new laptop only to find out that I have to erase all and start from scratch [09:35] cjwatson: I want: /boot + crypto->lvm (rootfs, swap, /home, second rootfs) + 8MB vfat [09:35] cjwatson: I thought that I did such setup in d-i but it rebooted straight to desktop... [09:36] cjwatson: and I have such scheme on my old machine and found it great to use [09:36] * ogra_cmpc always wondered why people encrypt / [09:36] ogra_cmpc: wifi passwords? [09:37] vpn passwords? [09:37] aren't those on your user's keyring :P ? [09:37] isnt that all stuff stored in your home nowadays ? [09:37] heh, joaopinto beats me [09:37] not on my systems [09:37] ah, you are not using NM [09:37] yep [09:38] plain wpa-supplicant is enough for wifi [09:38] plain openvpn for vpns [09:38] and many times I land on text console instead of x11 [09:38] still a lot of hassle to encrypt the whole / for two passwords [09:39] ogra_cmpc: a lot? Debian does it in invisible way - just one pass on system start [09:40] and I have everything which my linux uses encrypted. only /boot/ is plain (and small vfat partition for bios flashers if I do such one) [09:44] * YokoZar wonders if his wine1.0 package will get in so he can rebuild dssi-vst [09:47] say... [09:47] "Configuring Checkbox" Default enabled. [09:47] exactly what is this checkbox? [09:47] hmm it's a package! [09:47] =O [09:48] i thought it was a checkbox that my terminal wasn't displaying for some reason or other. [09:48] formerly it was called the hardware database client ... nowadays its a full QA tool [09:48] cool [09:54] what is a name of alternate-cd install in launchpad? I want to report bugs [09:55] hrw: debian-installer package in Ubuntu [09:56] hrw, attach patches too ;) [09:56] ogra_cmpc: first need to reinstall ubuntu in really my way [09:56] and I cant make it remotely due to lack of ethernet driver [09:57] oh, what kind of card is that for which we dont have a driver ? [09:57] x86 should surely support the majority [09:58] note that sometimes it's just that the udebs generated by the linux source package for use in the installer don't contain some driver or other [09:58] those kinds of bugs would be straightforward to fix for 10.04.1 [09:58] cjwatson, yeah, i seem to have that issue on omap [09:59] ogra_cmpc: atl1c [09:59] there are atl1 and atl1e in installer [09:59] (sadly didnt catch it since my USb NICs are both supported by default) [09:59] i think.... that initramfs-tools is broken. [09:59] update-initramfs complains of a missing file /scripts/functions [09:59] it sounds like it should be checking in /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/functions instead. [09:59] no ... [10:00] it'll be more subtle than that [10:00] hmm? [10:01] /scripts/functions is normally what those scripts *should* be sourcing (that's the path when the initramfs is actually running) - the problem will probably be that it's sourcing /scripts/functions at all when invoked only to determine script ordering [10:02] wait, so if it's supposed to be running while initramfs is actually running, then why does upadte-initramfs call these? [10:02] to determine script ordering [10:02] hyperair: if you can put 'set -x' on the second line of /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs, rerun, and show me the output, I can work out where the problem is [10:03] gimme a moment, let me try running update-initramfs manually. [10:03] hrw: that's bug 557130 [10:03] Launchpad bug 557130 in linux "Kernel module atl1c missing from installer image" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/557130 [10:03] cjwatson: thx [10:03] have to learn launchpad bugtracking [10:10] cjwatson: it's /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/init-bottom/_apparmor. [10:11] underscore ? [10:11] cjwatson: is it supposed to chroot? [10:11] cjwatson: also, all my initrds fail to generate [10:11] oh wait, i read the message wrongly [10:12] hyperair: could I please have the unedited log? === rootusr is now known as TuTUXG [10:23] ArneGoetje, dpm: the jaunty-proposed langpacks (1:9.04+20090921) have been in -proposed for 218 days now; are they ok and should be moved to -updates, or should we delete them from -proposed? (I think we should stop providing langpack updates for jaunty, too) === TuTUXG is now known as TuTUX === TuTUX is now known as TuTUXG [10:35] bryceh: I've just stumbled across ubuntu-wilson. Amazing! You rock! :-) [10:38] I have a filesystem with this "tune2fs -l" output: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424494/ It's just been rebooted, and I don't understand why it's not being fsck'ed. [10:38] so, when ubuntu lucid final would be released? [10:40] wira_, ask in #ubuntu-release-party :) [10:40] ogra_cmpc, wow, thx [10:46] hey pitti good morning and happy release day ;), let me ask translators after the release, upload only those for which there has been feedback in a couple of days, and discard the rest. How does that sound? Calls for testing are still not working well, and even though we talked about it at the UDS in BCN, there hasn't been much change. A community member registered a session for it, and I'm leaning towards on-demand updates more and more. I'd like to di [10:46] scuss it there one and for all, and it'd be good to have someone from the release team there. Considering you've been doing the uploads until now and that you're the one that best understands langpacks, may I ask you to subscribe and participate in the session? [10:46] Here's the BP: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/fixed-schedule-for-translation-updates/ [10:46] ArneGoetje, ^ [10:46] dpm: can do [10:46] dpm: selective -updates sounds good [10:47] thanks pitti [10:57] superm1,Daviey,mr_pouit: we're respinning the Ubuntu desktop CDs for bug 570765 and doing emergency revalidation. You have the option of doing the same for Mythbuntu/Xubuntu if you choose (Edubuntu has already chosen to do so; Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are unaffected), and if you can get revalidation within at most a reasonable delay time. Speak now? [10:57] Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570765 [10:57] (or forever hold your peace etc. ...) [10:58] superm1,Daviey,mr_pouit: if you choose to respin, you'll have the option of taking either the current validated image or the new one [11:05] Does packages.ubuntu.com track the compile options used for an Ubuntu package? [11:06] darius_: no, 'apt-get source ' and look in debian/rules [11:06] cjwatson: thanks [11:06] cjwatson: what makes Kubuntu unaffected by the grub issue? [11:06] Riddell: no migration-assistant [11:07] ok thanks === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [11:07] the bug is that migration-assistant accidentally left a filesystem mounted in the installer filesystem namespace, which meant that os-prober running chrooted to /target was unable to bind-mount it [11:07] or at least such is the current diagnosis [11:13] pitti, hi [11:14] hello tkamppeter [11:14] I have a problem with compiling. When building Ghostscript I got this: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/424510/ [11:15] pitti, the file was not affected by recent changes and compiling Ghostscript on another Lucid box works perfectly. [11:15] urgh, WTH [11:16] The problem occurs on my 64-bit laptop and does not occur on my 32-bit laptop, both up-to-date Lucid. [11:16] I've never seen an error like that, I'm afraid [11:18] pitti, who could be of help here? [11:18] tkamppeter: not sure; perhaps try googling this error first? === bjf is now known as bjf[afk] === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [12:08] plymouth nicely integrates with cryptolvm question - good job [12:09] hrw: thanks :) [12:09] slangasek: you welcome [12:33] ogra: did you get a mailto for the magazine? [12:33] http://www.chip.de/cxo/b2b_artikel_10981369.html might help [12:35] nigelbabu, TA [12:35] :) [12:36] hopefully they can be firmly convinced not to prematurely post URLs :) [12:38] they didnt post urls [12:38] thats the bad part [12:38] they mirrored the iso to their own server [12:38] ugh [12:38] * ajmitch was just reading along in -release, I hadn't spotted that they were copies on their server [13:17] After i bring down an OpenVPN client tunnel Networkmanager lands in a state where its not connected, but doesnt seem to know about its state. Clicking it and then eth0 the connection goes online again. Is there a tool to tell NetworkManager to reinitiate its connections ? [13:17] nm-online , nm-tool and nmcli doesnt seem to be able to do so... [13:17] . [13:19] Heeelp! :) === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === 17SAAL2LM is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as 17SAAL2LM [13:41] Hi, does someone know how indicator-applet really works and could therefore answer a question i've been asking myself for some hours.. === 17SAAL2LM is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:45] hyperair: did you get that initramfs log? [13:45] cjwatson: sorry, i was asleep. i just woke up [13:45] ah [13:45] cjwatson: i've got a screen backlog of it though. let me just dump it out... [13:46] now how do i do that with screen without going into select mode and copying everything out? [13:47] nevermind i figured ito ut [13:48] bryceh: hi! so I am trying to get a bt following X/Backtracing with no luck [13:48] bryceh: this is for bug #571552 [13:48] Launchpad bug 571552 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X crashes with 32M radeon 7500 +kms with firefox and flash" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571552 [13:48] * hyperair kicks pastebinit for moving slowly [13:49] hyperair: I'd have thought 2>file would be easier :) [13:49] or >file 2>&1 [13:49] cjwatson: then i'd have to run the whole thing again. [13:49] bryceh: part of the problem is likely I have things like: warning: the debug information found in "/usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so" does not match "/usr/lib/dri/radeon_dri.so" (CRC mismatch). [13:49] hyperair: takes about a minute right? :) [13:50] cjwatson: eh i'm not sure. quite long. [13:50] I don't see why it would take significantly longer than that [13:50] it tries to generate each initramfs, fails, and then returns [13:50] jdstrand, did you install the -dbg or -dbgsym for it? [13:50] bryceh: even though the -dbg version matches the regular package [13:50] seb128: yes [13:50] jdstrand, it was a "or" question, "yes" is not a reply ;-) [13:51] xserver-xorg-video-ati: 1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5 [13:51] xserver-xorg-video-ati-dbg: 1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5 [13:51] cjwatson: because i'm still halfway upgrading and dpkg is taking all my i/o [13:51] seb128: -dbg [13:51] jdstrand: could have been a victim of bug 562418? [13:51] Launchpad bug 562418 in pkg-create-dbgsym "empty ddebs when dh_strip is called twice" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/562418 [13:51] jdstrand, this .so is not in that binary too btw, dlocale radeon_dri.so [13:51] jdstrand, try with the -dbgsym, it should be working, cf bug pitti pointed just now [13:52] jdstrand: although this bug is a problem of xorg-server; unless mesa is also double-dh_strip'ing, it's a different problem [13:52] seb128: I also have the libgl1-mesa-dri and libgl1-mesa-dri-dbg packages installed [13:53] I'll try with dbgsym [13:53] lamont: is pkg-create-dbgsym pinned as well in the buildd chroots, or does it just auto-upgrade? I recently uploaded a newer version to lucid-proposed to fix ddeb generation in some cases, and wonder if I/you need to do anything special now [13:54] apw: FYI, I just binNEWed linux-proposed kernel [13:54] apachelogger: erm, lucid-proposed of course [13:55] ok, let's try that again [13:55] apachelogger: sorry [13:55] # manual upgrades only for pkgbinarymanagler, until slangasek says otherwise [13:55] echo "echo pkgbinarymangler hold | dpkg --set-selections || true" [13:55] pitti: ^^ [13:55] cjwatson: http://people.ubuntu.com/~hyperair/initramfslog [13:55] apw: I binNEWed lbm now, linux went through in the morning [13:55] apw: so the way is free for -meta [13:55] lamont: thanks [13:55] I suspect that we may decide that package has been in the dog house for long enough, come maverick [13:55] and unhold it, too. [13:55] lamont: so pkg-create-dbgsym should Just Work? [13:55] but that's a post-release discussion [13:56] yeah [13:56] lamont: thanks [13:56] post-release ? post-release is pre-release ! [13:56] just you know, don't make me get deal with an emergency bootstrap need during non-core [13:56] because then I get cranky and throw great big roadblocks in your package's way [13:57] ogra: not until I upload chroot tarballs, it's not. :-p [13:57] heh [13:59] pitti: I think it was more the nature of the first failure and the time before the next failure that triggered my BOFH response in pkgbinarymangler's case. [13:59] lamont: oh, that was entirely plausible; I wasn't criticizing, I just wasn't sure if it applied to that other Bloody Hack From Hell, aka pkg-create-dbgsym, as well :) [14:00] while I certainly can't yell at people for not fully testing every upload with any degree of guiltless ire, please at least don't get caught on not testing critical packages [14:00] lamont: unlike pkgbinarymangler, p-c-d actually has a test suite, though [14:01] this is a good thing. hopefully run during debian/rules build, too [14:01] hyperair: seems empty [14:01] cjwatson: scroll downn.. [14:01] apw: ah, seems you actually beat me to it :) accepted [14:01] lamont: yes, and FTBFSing if it fails [14:01]