[00:01] <daker> still 1h
[00:01] <daker> OHO
[00:01] <godbyk> T minus 1 hour!
[00:02] <daker> try now
[00:02] <godbyk> k
[00:02] <daker> the struff are in includes/condif-db.php
[00:02] <daker> the struff are in includes/config-db.php
[00:02] <godbyk> okay
[00:05] <godbyk> humphreybc should be here in 20 minutes or so. He's just waking up.
[00:07]  * ubuntujenkins gets cake to celebrate with.
[00:08] <ubuntujenkins> has humphreybc got a speech i wonder?
[00:08]  * ubuntujenkins hehe
[00:08] <godbyk> lol
[00:20]  * daker will become crasy
[00:22] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[00:22] <daker> the countdown is fixed
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> no its not it says zero for me
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> unless its ment to
[00:23] <godbyk> it's still local time.
[00:23] <godbyk> so for me it says there's 5+ hours to go ('til midnight local time).
[00:24] <ubuntujenkins> I ahev loads of lectures tomorrow :/ I will not be much help in the channel uk time
[00:24] <ubuntujenkins> is anyone going to be around then? dutchie might
[00:25] <humphreybc> hello chaps
[00:25] <daker> hello
[00:26] <godbyk> hey, humphreybc.
[00:26] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc have you done a speech. we all want to hear it
[00:26] <godbyk> 'bout time you showed up. :)
[00:26] <humphreybc> hey! shush!
[00:26] <godbyk> You better have brought cake, too!
[00:26]  * ubuntujenkins has cake
[00:26] <ubuntujenkins> and pop please humphreybc
[00:26] <humphreybc> cake?
[00:27]  * humphreybc brought champagne
[00:27]  * godbyk wants cake!
[00:27] <ubuntujenkins> oooooooooooo champers
[00:27] <humphreybc> now get back to work team, we've still got 30 minutes before we can party!
[00:27]  * daker wants more time
[00:29] <godbyk> humphreybc: the book you ordered is obsolete now.  ubuntujenkins had to update the browser home page screenshot today.
[00:29] <godbyk> just thought I'd let you know. :)
[00:29] <ubuntujenkins> thats canoicals fault not mine
[00:29]  * humphreybc cries
[00:29] <godbyk> oh, and apparently canonical released some branding stuff today (finally).
[00:29] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: you will have a one off
[00:29] <godbyk> too bad we needed it yesterday -- literally!
[00:29] <humphreybc> mine's the special edition
[00:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: just think of it as a rare edition -- a collector's item. :)
[00:30] <godbyk> I think Ilya has a one-off, too. :)
[00:30] <humphreybc> haha
[00:30] <humphreybc> aw
[00:30] <godbyk> I think he snagged a copy after I removed a spurious comma.
[00:30] <godbyk> So you each have one-offs.
[00:31] <humphreybc> lol
[00:32]  * humphreybc is off to grab a coffee and toast
[00:32] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I'm don't understand the xindy thing. It's basically running a test and deciding that the test failed for some reason (though I don't know why).
[00:32] <godbyk> It looks to be adding some numbers.. and it does so correctly, but still doesn't like it.
[00:33] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: hmm is there another way to do it?
[00:33] <godbyk> I don't now.
[00:33] <godbyk> know.
[00:33] <godbyk> I just use the precompiled stuff. :)
[00:34] <ubuntujenkins> found a deb for xindy on launchpad
[00:35] <godbyk> ah, so it's packaged separated from texlive-*?
[00:36] <ubuntujenkins> it last successfully built in intrepid not hopefull
[00:37] <ubuntujenkins> it was in universe at one point
[00:39] <daker> godbyk, can you pls check the logs table ?
[00:39] <godbyk> daker: sure
[00:42] <ubuntujenkins> omg godbyk it made a manual we are missng two things. assuming people install texlive-full. I can make a dummy package that has all the dependcies we need and we just need to package two other things
[00:43] <godbyk> cool.
[00:43] <godbyk> check to make sure the index and glossary look right.
[00:43] <ubuntujenkins> do you want to double check the log as well
[00:44] <godbyk> sure, I can.
[00:46] <humphreybc> T minus 15 minutes
[00:46] <humphreybc> we need manualbot to do a countdown next time
[00:46] <ubuntujenkins> http://paste.ubuntu.com/424297/ godbyk  i will e-mail you the pdf to double check
[00:46] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I did ask dutchie
[00:47] <godbyk> ok
[00:47] <humphreybc> godbyk: the final PDF is up on the server? what's it named?
[00:47] <humphreybc> NOT ubuntu-manual.pdf I hope
[00:47] <godbyk> No, it's named "Getting Started with 10.04.pdf"
[00:47] <humphreybc> good man
[00:47] <godbyk> Er.. insert Ubuntu in there somewhere.
[00:47] <humphreybc> heh
[00:47] <humphreybc> good
[00:48] <humphreybc> and the download counter scripts are going?
[00:48] <godbyk> yep
[00:48] <humphreybc> good
[00:48] <godbyk> daker's polishing them now.
[00:48] <godbyk> but entries are being added to the database.
[00:48] <humphreybc> heh
[00:48] <daker> when i finished trunc the tables
[00:48] <godbyk> daker: will do.
[00:48] <humphreybc> do we have a way of storing peoples email addresses so we can email them when their language is available>
[00:49] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: the screenshots are not in the manual i built they are looking for them in en_Us not en. I will symlink them but are all the others ok?
[00:49] <alket> Is manual ready :D
[00:49] <godbyk> I'll truncate the tables at the same time as I push the button on lulu and make the site live.
[00:49] <godbyk> :)
[00:49] <godbyk> alket: Yep.  It'll be live in a few minutes.
[00:49] <godbyk> humphreybc: yes.
[00:49] <humphreybc> daker: Could you remove some of the website translations that aren't finished from the list please, like "Sinhalese"
[00:49] <alket> godbyk :D can;t wait to start translating in my language
[00:50] <godbyk> alket: You can start now!
[00:50] <godbyk> alket: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[00:50] <qwebirc5666> Hello World
[00:50] <humphreybc> doesn't look like many people knew how to translate "we have a version optimized for printing to save the trees" haha
[00:50] <daker> oki
[00:50] <humphreybc> hey guys!
[00:50] <ubuntujenkins> hello everyone
[00:50]  * humphreybc told everyone on facebook and twitter to come join us
[00:50] <qwebirc5666> Some Have translate the manual in Arabic ?
[00:50]  * ubuntujenkins more people
[00:51] <godbyk> qwebirc5666: An Arabic translation as been started, yeah.
[00:51] <humphreybc> qwebirc5666: I think there is a bit of work on the Arabic translation, but not a huge amount
[00:51] <ubuntujenkins> qwebirc5666: you can help here https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[00:51] <humphreybc> the website is in Arabic I believe
[00:51] <alket> godbyk: Can I translate it with Open Office because I don't think Rosseta is suitable
[00:51] <humphreybc> nope, no it's not
[00:51] <humphreybc> daker: what happened to the Arabic website translation?
[00:51] <daker> nothing
[00:51] <humphreybc> alket: unfortunately I don't think you can, you'll have to use Rosetta
[00:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: didn't you just tell daker to remove all the non-English translations from the site? :)
[00:52] <humphreybc> godbyk: no!
[00:52] <humphreybc> I meant remove the ones that aren't completed
[00:52] <daker> godbyk, incomplete translations
[00:52] <humphreybc> for example, Vietnamese is fine
[00:52] <godbyk> ah.
[00:52] <humphreybc> coz it's translated
[00:52] <humphreybc> Sinhalese is still all in english though :P
[00:52] <humphreybc> 8 minutes!?
[00:52] <godbyk> brb. need to refill my glass of water and use the bathroom.
[00:52] <godbyk> then I'll start pushing some buttons. :)
[00:52] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: yep
[00:53] <daker> godbyk, hurry up
[00:53] <daker> because i need you
[00:53] <humphreybc> our timing has to be perfect :)
[00:53] <humphreybc> yeah godbyk, hurry up!
[00:54] <BunixTux> No body can ask me ?
[00:54] <humphreybc> BunixTux: hmm?
[00:54] <daker> BunixTux, ubuntu-ma ?
[00:54] <humphreybc> hey Azelphur!
[00:55] <Azelphur> hi :)
[00:55] <humphreybc> !welcome
[00:55] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[00:55] <godbyk> back
[00:55] <DnaX> Hi at all
[00:55] <humphreybc> Hey, it's Bryan!
[00:55] <daker> waw 35
[00:55] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: have you mentioned the release in #ubuntu
[00:55] <ubuntujenkins> hello semioticrobotic
[00:55] <xfact> Hope I didn't miss anything spacial
[00:55] <humphreybc> nope xfact you're right on time
[00:55] <ubuntujenkins> nope xfact just in time very soon
[00:55] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: nope, on facebook and twitter
[00:56] <xfact> Feww! Great...
[00:56] <ubuntujenkins> I mentioned it on #ubuntu-uk
[00:56] <daftykins> :D
[00:56] <daftykins> hi all o/
[00:56] <ubuntujenkins> hello daftykins
[00:56] <xfact> so it's like 5 minutes left, right?
[00:56] <humphreybc> 4 minutes, even
[00:56] <daftykins> congrats on the hard work :>
[00:56] <semioticrobotic> hi ubuntujenkins!
[00:56] <h00k> the spam got me :(
[00:56]  * ubuntujenkins 40 people
[00:56] <humphreybc> hey h00k!
[00:56] <semioticrobotic> hey hey everyone!
[00:57]  * ubuntujenkins o this is exciting
[00:57] <h00k> hello, hello.
[00:57]  * xfact excited... 
[00:57] <humphreybc> everyone, eyes on daker and godbyk :P
[00:57] <daker> daker getting stress
[00:57] <humphreybc> they're the ones who are going to push the button to change the website over to show the download links
[00:57]  * semioticrobotic is focused
[00:57] <xfact> A whole new project finally going to see the light!
[00:57] <h00k> what are we lookin' for?
[00:57] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: should we tell #ubuntu-doc
[00:57] <alket> I think i will translate it with Open Office, Rosseta isn't suitable for book-like
[00:57] <h00k> ooooh
[00:57] <BunixTux> Two minutes
[00:57] <humphreybc> h00k: www.ubuntu-manual.org will flick over very soon
[00:57] <DasEi> oh, manuals for those who can read.. they really exist .. hehe,  need translation for german ?
[00:58] <d0od> oh hai when can i getting the manual guide hehe??
[00:58] <godbyk> Everyone has to promise not to break our new, wholly-untested site.  :)
[00:58] <semioticrobotic> no promises
[00:58] <daker> !welcom ubuntu-ma
[00:58] <manualbot> daker: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[00:58] <daftykins> godbyk: aww must i :(
[00:58] <xfact> hum
[00:58] <semioticrobotic> but I'll try my best not to
[00:58] <daker> !welcome ubuntu-ma
[00:58] <manualbot> daker: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[00:58] <humphreybc> !welcome
[00:58] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[00:58] <daker> f***
[00:58] <h00k> humphreybc: and by very soon, you mean 5+ hours?
[00:58] <crowd> daker: tu es la
[00:58] <humphreybc> h00k: nope, 1 minute
[00:58] <humphreybc> at midnight UTC
[00:58] <h00k> humphreybc: I see 5 hours 1 minute, here!
[00:59] <godbyk> Nah.. the countdown is set for midnight, local time, not UTC.  So it's a bit wrong for most people. :)
[00:59] <humphreybc> h00k: ah yea, the countdown timers are localized
[00:59] <semioticrobotic> yeah, four hours here
[00:59] <daker> crowd, speak english :)
[00:59] <h00k> bah! I was fooled!
[00:59] <humphreybc> for some weird reason
[00:59] <xfact> Will somebody count 10, 9, 8 >>> etc.
[00:59] <humphreybc> it's a big trick :P
[00:59] <alket> Where will it be published firstly in wiki https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual or www.ubuntu-manual.org
[00:59] <humphreybc> alket: our website
[00:59] <humphreybc> ubuntu-manual.org
[00:59] <humphreybc> godbyk, daker, ready to push buttons?
[00:59] <jeffreyf> says 4 hours for me...
[00:59] <humphreybc> ok
[00:59] <humphreybc> 20
[00:59] <humphreybc> 19
[00:59] <humphreybc> 18
[00:59] <humphreybc> 17
[00:59] <humphreybc> wait i'm behind
[00:59] <BunixTux> 5
[00:59]  * h00k begins drumroll
[00:59] <humphreybc> 10
[00:59] <humphreybc> 9
[00:59] <humphreybc> 8
[00:59] <humphreybc> 7
[00:59] <humphreybc> 6
[00:59] <humphreybc> 5
[00:59] <humphreybc> 4
[00:59] <humphreybc> 3
[01:00] <humphreybc> now ahead
[01:00] <humphreybc> 1
[01:00] <humphreybc> !
[01:00] <BunixTux> 0
[01:00] <humphreybc> yay!
[01:00] <semioticrobotic> !!!!!!!
[01:00] <h00k> it's still counting down :(
[01:00] <DnaX> Yeah!
[01:00]  * xfact !!!!!!!!!!!OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:00] <BunixTux> congragulation
[01:00] <ubuntujenkins> 1
[01:00] <webmasteryoda> -1
[01:00] <alket> RC ?
[01:00]  * semioticrobotic cheers
[01:00] <ubuntujenkins> 2
[01:00] <webmasteryoda> -2
[01:00] <humphreybc> OMG BATMANZ!
[01:00] <alket> congrats
[01:00] <webmasteryoda> -3
[01:00] <webmasteryoda> -4
[01:00] <webmasteryoda> -5
[01:00] <webmasteryoda> :D
[01:00] <h00k> it's counting down yet :(
[01:00] <xfact> Now if there anyone behind count by adding -
[01:00] <DasEi> hey, interesting , does the site resolve ip's for their country ?
[01:00] <humphreybc> so
[01:00] <jeffreyf> I have 3 hr 59 mins
[01:00] <xfact> webmasteryoda, ;)
[01:00] <humphreybc> hopefully the site will change in a second
[01:01] <semioticrobotic> 404 error!
[01:01] <themusicalduck> mine has just said 0, 0, 0 for a while
[01:01] <ubuntujenkins> the website gone down
[01:01] <humphreybc> if godbyk and daker have hit the right buttons
[01:01] <h00k> BAH THERE IT IS
[01:01] <ubuntujenkins> its up
[01:01] <humphreybc> YAY!
[01:01] <humphreybc> it's up!
[01:01] <webmasteryoda> -3
[01:01] <ubuntujenkins> yey
[01:01] <webmasteryoda> -2
[01:01] <alket> its old site now
[01:01] <semioticrobotic> and there we go!!!!!!!!
[01:01] <webmasteryoda> -1
[01:01] <webmasteryoda> 0
[01:01] <webmasteryoda> go!
[01:01] <humphreybc> download that mother!
[01:01] <jeffreyf> there it is
[01:01] <xfact> Yea, it's up
[01:01] <DnaX> awesome home page!
[01:01] <xfact> Now only Lucid is left
[01:01] <semioticrobotic> sucking bandwidth
[01:01] <ubuntujenkins> is lucid still not out?
[01:01] <xangua> party¿ :D
[01:01] <semioticrobotic> page looks great, everyone
[01:01] <h00k> it's true, it isn't
[01:02] <humphreybc> party!
[01:02] <xangua> ubuntujenkins: no
[01:02] <xfact> Yup, the page is smart looking
[01:02] <ubuntujenkins> xfact: wow
[01:02] <DasEi> semioticrobotic: http://www.ubuntu-manual.org is up for me, displays in my native (german) language
[01:02] <Alcor> give the page
[01:02] <Alcor> please
[01:02] <daftykins> cor it's only 4.6MB
[01:02] <DasEi> http://www.ubuntu-manual.org
[01:02] <ubuntujenkins> * xangua
[01:02] <DasEi> Alcor: ^
[01:02]  * ubuntujenkins has it
[01:02] <pleia2> congrats guys :)
[01:02] <Alcor> thx
[01:02] <semioticrobotic> yes, I'm on it
[01:02] <xfact> Downloading... 1.2 MB
[01:02] <godbyk> Working for everyone?
[01:02] <daftykins> yeah congratulations everyone \o/
[01:02] <humphreybc> daker: should we hide the "Downloads" page from the nav bar for now, since there are not many options? :P
[01:02] <daftykins> just downloaded
[01:02] <themusicalduck> looks really great
[01:02] <godbyk> (My webhost is probably freaking out about now.)
[01:02] <humphreybc> well done guys
[01:02] <semioticrobotic> \o/
[01:02] <DasEi> again, interesting , does the site resolve ip's for their country ?
[01:03] <daftykins> erk corrupted
[01:03] <humphreybc> couldn't have done it without ya!
[01:03] <godbyk> humphreybc: nah, I say leave it.
[01:03] <ubuntujenkins> well done to all this channel is going so fast
[01:03] <DnaX> there is a problem with the PDF download
[01:03] <humphreybc> heh
[01:03] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: many thanks to our fearless leader
[01:03] <humphreybc> my first download was corrupted?
[01:03] <godbyk> 'kay. lemme look into it
[01:03] <daftykins> yeah i'm downloading again, my first was corrupt
[01:03] <ubuntujenkins> mines fine
[01:03]  * xfact cheers *splattering wine* 
[01:03] <humphreybc> :)
[01:04]  * humphreybc pops open the giant champagne bottle
[01:04] <godbyk> daker's on it. no worries.
[01:04] <DnaX> ok, now 4.6Mb file
[01:04] <semioticrobotic> congratulations everyone
[01:04]  * humphreybc prepares the press releases
[01:04] <xfact> beer too
[01:04] <DasEi> the pdf is still english, though the starter appears in german to me
[01:04] <semioticrobotic> this is the first open source project on which I've had the pleasure of working, and it's been great
[01:04] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-1004-manual-released.html
[01:04] <humphreybc> good timing d0od
[01:04] <humphreybc> although you're missing a link :P
[01:05]  * ubuntujenkins 46 people at peak just for the notes
[01:05] <xfact> humphreybc, Just saw your last stable announcement tweet, yay! ...retweeting
[01:05] <humphreybc> daker: have we got that star in the works to point to lulu.com?
[01:06] <humphreybc> howcome my download of the manual keeps dying at around 600 kb?
[01:06] <godbyk> humphreybc: he's busy fixing things at the moment.
[01:06] <humphreybc> ah ha
[01:06] <humphreybc> okay
[01:06] <humphreybc> :P
[01:07] <godbyk> You can purchase a printed copy of the book from http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/10793559
[01:07] <godbyk> humphreybc: you should update the channel topic to something apropos.
[01:07] <xfact> Mine failed near 2.6 MB... :(
[01:07] <humphreybc> I should
[01:07] <daftykins> in the mean time, how different are these print/screen editions?
[01:07] <daker> xfact, yes sorry
[01:07] <xfact> now problem
[01:07] <xfact> *no
[01:07] <h00k> ubottu now has a factoid regarding the manual
[01:08] <xangua> !manual
[01:08] <manualbot> Factoid 'manual' not found
[01:08] <semioticrobotic> So we clocked in at 4.6 mb.  Not too shabby, really.
[01:08] <h00k> manualbot doesn't
[01:08] <manualbot> h00k: Error: "doesn't" is not a valid command.
[01:08] <manualbot> Factoid "doesn't" not found
[01:08] <h00k> heh
[01:08] <semioticrobotic> ha!
[01:09] <DasEi> hoho, 170 sites, no more excuses.. oo
[01:09] <daker> what this ?
[01:09] <DasEi> Brain > xangua
[01:09] <ubuntujenkins> !netsplit
[01:09] <manualbot> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[01:09] <DasEi> !brain > xangua
[01:09] <manualbot> xangua, please see my private message
[01:10]  * xangua ignores manualbot because he doesn't have it in his buddy list
[01:10] <DnaX> Thanks to everyone ;)
[01:10] <xangua> !brain > xangua
[01:10] <manualbot> xangua, please see my private message
[01:10] <DnaX> bye
[01:10] <xfact> Bye
[01:12] <DasEi> xangua: you can search factoids directly or message the bot for fishing
[01:12] <xangua> ok ;)
[01:13] <daker> where is humphreybc ?
[01:14] <semioticrobotic> darker: booted somehow ... in a 'split'?
[01:14] <semioticrobotic> what happens with those things?
[01:14] <godbyk> Back now.
[01:14] <godbyk> Not sure what happened there.
[01:14] <daker> !netsplit
[01:14] <manualbot> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[01:14] <semioticrobotic> godbyk: humphreybc left the chat room. (*.net *.split)
[01:15] <semioticrobotic> [8:09pm] godbyk left the chat room. (*.net *.split)
[01:15] <semioticrobotic> [8:09pm] issyl0 left the chat room. (*.net *.split)
[01:15] <godbyk> gotcha.
[01:15] <godbyk> thanks, semioticrobotic and daker .
[01:15] <semioticrobotic> darker: thanks for that
[01:15] <TMKCodes> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[01:15] <daftykins> aww i was really looking forward to looking through the manual :(
[01:15] <humphreybc> something funky happened there with my internet
[01:16] <daker> !netsplit
[01:16] <manualbot> netsplit is when two IRC servers of the same network (like freenode) disconnect from each other, so users on one server stop seeing users on the other. If this is happening now, just relax and enjoy the show. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit
[01:16] <semioticrobotic> site is already blitzed
[01:16] <humphreybc> heh
[01:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:16] <humphreybc> godbyk, can your server handle it?
[01:16] <DasEi> so I just overflew it, is it meant to get enlarged ? lucid will be lts..
[01:17] <godbyk> humphreybc: hard to say. we'll find out.
[01:17] <humphreybc> DasEi: there will be a second edition in July to cover some of the things we missed
[01:17] <godbyk> it's going up and down apparently.
[01:17] <godbyk> it's a shared server.
[01:17] <godbyk> I have no real control over it.
[01:17] <humphreybc> heh
[01:17]  * humphreybc still can't download the PDF
[01:17] <humphreybc> I keep getting corrupted PDFs cos the download stops at around 600 kb
[01:17] <daker> me too
[01:17] <DasEi> humphreybc: it would be nice to have the changes listed, like grub2, upstart plymouth and such, xorg.conf <>hardy
[01:18] <daftykins> does anyone have it via another method that it can be posted on some free file sharing site for now?
[01:18] <humphreybc> i'll put it on my server
[01:18] <DasEi> shall I mirror the pdf ?
[01:18] <humphreybc> even though that'll be real slow
[01:18] <humphreybc> DasEi: feel free
[01:18] <godbyk> I'll set up some mirrors, too.
[01:18] <humphreybc> kay
[01:18] <semioticrobotic> we could try a torrent, but that would circumvent humphreybc's attempt to calculate 10,000 downloads
[01:18] <humphreybc> yea
[01:18] <humphreybc> all the press releases have been fired off
[01:19] <DasEi> humphreybc: will do, I gtg soon for some time, will announce here later (small private line)
[01:19] <semioticrobotic> awesome
[01:20] <humphreybc> daker: godbyk, can we get the mirrors listed on the front page just for the time being, too?
[01:20] <DasEi> ... first "native lucid is installing in background, after some vm's done
[01:20] <daker> wait just a minute pls
[01:20] <humphreybc> I guess the fact the server is struggling is a good sign :P
[01:21] <h00k> I see you're hosted at dreamhost
[01:21]  * h00k mirrors
[01:21] <humphreybc> thanks h00k
[01:21] <semioticrobotic> yeah, humphreybc, a good sign indeed
[01:22] <h00k> http://anthonyrhook.com/Getting+Started+with+Ubuntu+10.04.pdf
[01:22] <DasEi> next time in ubuntu there are just answers like : http ... page six  line 48 lol
[01:22] <daftykins> :D
[01:22] <daftykins> if only
[01:22] <DasEi> daftykins: hexadecimal o'course, hehe
[01:25] <godbyk> h00k: yeah, I'm at dreamhost.
[01:25] <h00k> godbyk: yeah, I saw that :)
[01:25] <godbyk> You can grab a copy of the print PDF from here: http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/10793559
[01:26] <DasEi> that's really a nice job stated there, the inventory could be more detailed, like a subsection saying re-install grub, but I'm aware of the work already done
[01:26] <ubuntujenkins> ok screen version here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6544772/Getting%20Started%20with%20Ubuntu%2010.04.pdf
[01:26] <DasEi> started*
[01:26] <TMKCodes> http://www.crimasi.com/Getting_Started_with_Ubuntu_10.04.pdf
[01:26] <ubuntujenkins> print (ie the book) here http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6544772/Getting_Started_with_Ubuntu_10.04%20%28print%29.pdf
[01:26] <ubuntujenkins> *book version
[01:27] <ubuntujenkins> go go go
[01:27] <h00k> I 'dented a mirror pdf
[01:28] <semioticrobotic> Well, friends, I need to pack it in for the evening.  Good luck with your mirroring, and congratulations on a job well done.
[01:28] <ubuntujenkins> night se
[01:28] <humphreybc> godbyk, what's the direct download link from the site?
[01:28] <ubuntujenkins> night semioticrobotic
[01:28]  * xfact 's copy downloaded successfully *glancing* 
[01:28] <semioticrobotic> Tomorrow I'll probably pull lucid-e2 and begin my next round of edits!
[01:29] <semioticrobotic> night ubuntujenkins
[01:30] <godbyk> You can download/view it here, too: http://www.scribd.com/doc/30667167/Getting-Started-With-Ubuntu-10-04
[01:30] <humphreybc> daker, godbyk, get at least two mirrors up on the front page asap
[01:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: in progress.
[01:31] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: feel free to use the dropbox links account for this purpose only
[01:32] <godbyk> sure.
[01:32] <godbyk> I'm mirroring it on a couple other servers, too.
[01:33] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: did you e-mail enough lists?
[01:36] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: no :P
[01:37] <godbyk> http://www.vrac.iastate.edu/~godbyk/Getting%20Started%20with%20Ubuntu%2010.04.pdf is another mirror
[01:38] <ubuntujenkins> how did we crash it? there was only 46 people
[01:38] <godbyk> not sure.
[01:38] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: in the channel?
[01:38] <ubuntujenkins> yes
[01:38] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: yes
[01:38] <humphreybc> It got reposted everywhere
[01:38] <godbyk> I think one of daker's later updates did something funky.. it added some html to the top of the pdf.
[01:38] <humphreybc> Facebook, twitter (we have 1300 fans on facebook)
[01:39] <humphreybc> mailing lists, omgubuntu.co.uk had an article up straight away
[01:39] <humphreybc> anyway, i have to head off, meeting thumper for a coffee now
[01:39] <ubuntujenkins> he he popular
[01:39] <h00k> Peace
[01:39] <scouser73> humphreybc when is the omgubuntu podcast coming out?
[01:39] <humphreybc> scouser73: ahh good question. Ask d0od
[01:39] <humphreybc> he's on IRC atm
[01:39] <scouser73> okies
[01:39] <ubuntujenkins> I should probably go to bed. night team o/
[01:40] <humphreybc> blame him for not editing it in time :P
[01:40] <scouser73> lol
[01:40] <xangua> didn't d0od go to sleep¿¿
[01:40] <MenZa> \o
[01:40] <xangua> ooh that was thaco
[01:43]  * humphreybc is off
[01:43] <humphreybc> i'll be back soon
[01:43] <humphreybc> :)
[01:47] <godbyk> you better be!
[01:50] <joscht> did i miss the countdown?
[01:51] <godbyk> joscht: Yep.  We're already live.
[01:51] <godbyk> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[01:52] <joscht> oh ok then well thats still good news though i missed all the fanfare
[01:52] <godbyk> I think my server is panicking a bit, so if you encounter problems, let me know and I'll give a mirrored link to the PDF.
[01:52] <joscht> ok
[01:52] <joscht> thanks
[01:52] <godbyk> No problem.
[01:56] <DasEi> ftp://ubuntu@ftp.greuelheuler.dyn-o-saur.com   is giving the pdf ?
[01:56] <ubuntujenkins> omg the manual made it onto ubuntu fridge
[01:58] <DasEi> ahh, my bad I'm still running a blocking router, can't change it now , will come up later, sry
[01:58] <godbyk> No problem.
[02:05] <xfact> .
[02:54] <godbyk> Hey, IlyaHaykinson
[02:55] <godbyk> Two hours in and we have over 1500 downloads, and 10 copies of the book sold.
[02:56] <doctormo> Congratulations humphreybc on the release
[02:56] <godbyk> Hey, doctormo
[02:57] <sebsebseb> Right
[02:57] <sebsebseb> let's check out the
[02:57] <sebsebseb> Ubuntu Manual then
[02:57] <sebsebseb> and then bed soonish as well
[02:58] <doctormo> humphreybc: I _really_ wish you had asked me to do (or peer review) your open source definition, it's got loads of errors in it.
[02:58] <IlyaHaykinson> woohoo
[02:58] <godbyk> doctormo: With regards to the CC license?
[02:58] <doctormo> Page 141
[02:58] <IlyaHaykinson> hey, how's it possible that we ended up releasing before lucid? ;-)
[02:59] <IlyaHaykinson> doctormo, I agree, it's weak.
[02:59] <IlyaHaykinson> if you can file a bug, we'll fix it in lucid-e2
[02:59] <godbyk> Yeah, we'd definitely like to improve it for the second edition.
[02:59] <doctormo> I'm trying to find a good reaction service online so I can quickly show you all the errors.
[02:59] <epkugelmass> IlyaHaykinson, speaking of which, we need more releases for the e2 series
[03:00] <IlyaHaykinson> there are a lot of other factual errors in there, for sure -- some that we know about; some that we don't.
[03:00] <IlyaHaykinson> epkugelmass, you mean e1.1, e1.2, etc?
[03:00] <epkugelmass> basically
[03:00] <epkugelmass> a beta and rc at least
[03:00] <IlyaHaykinson> yes.
[03:00] <godbyk> I think we just haven't set up the e2 release stuff yet.
[03:00] <godbyk> We'll be doing that this coming week.
[03:01] <epkugelmass> ok. i've been dealing with bugs and targeting them to the only release available
[03:01] <daker> godbyk, when lucid e2 will be released ?
[03:01] <IlyaHaykinson> sure, i think that's fine. we'll triage all the bugs.
[03:01] <IlyaHaykinson> daker, July 1 i think
[03:02] <daker> good
[03:02] <doctormo> IlyaHaykinson: Actually what I'm more concerned about is that this open source definition is a perpetuation of the usual misinformed open source and free software understanding.
[03:03] <doctormo> We're trying to describe a political, social, technical and legal revolution with "It's charity and free" which is completely what it isn't.
[03:03] <IlyaHaykinson> doctormo, i see it as being mainly weak, incomplete, overly general in some places and very specific in others.
[03:03] <IlyaHaykinson> but it's not maliciously incorrect.
[03:04] <doctormo> Not maliciously.
[03:04] <epkugelmass> can someone please deal with lp:499657 ?
[03:04] <doctormo> Just incorrect, inversely so in parts.
[03:04] <IlyaHaykinson> i think that this is a touchy subject, and there's certainly a good way to write this section that is factually correct.
[03:05] <IlyaHaykinson> i would suggest that you file a bug, with some bullet points (or even suggested copy), if you have some time.
[03:05] <IlyaHaykinson> our goal for the second edition is "100% quality", so if something is wrong then we definitely need to fix it.
[03:08] <thumper> humphreybc: #nzpug
[03:11] <humphreybc> hi
[03:11] <humphreybc> thumper: you beat me home
[03:12] <thumper> :)
[03:12] <humphreybc> godbyk, daker: Why don't I see the mirrors on the website?
[03:12] <humphreybc> thumper: kk
[03:12] <humphreybc> and launchpad people?
[03:13] <epkugelmass> humphreybc, can you please address lp:499657 ASAP?
[03:13] <daker> because it works
[03:13] <godbyk> humphreybc: they're built in
[03:13] <humphreybc> godbyk: nice!
[03:13] <godbyk> just click the download button and it'll pick one automatically
[03:13] <godbyk> yeah, that's how we do things. :)
[03:13] <humphreybc> rock on :)
[03:14] <humphreybc> epkugelmass: hehe, on it
[03:14] <epkugelmass> thanks
[03:14] <humphreybc> "Fix released."
[03:14] <humphreybc> Rock on
[03:14] <epkugelmass> humphreybc, we need to change the download on launchpad and make an announcement
[03:14] <humphreybc> that we do
[03:14] <IlyaHaykinson> actually...
[03:14] <IlyaHaykinson> i woudl keep that bug open
[03:14] <IlyaHaykinson> i think our manual will be "incomplete" for a long time.
[03:14] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: it's open for ubuntu-manual but fix released for lucid
[03:14] <IlyaHaykinson> much like, say, bug 1
[03:15] <epkugelmass> i just deactivated the lucid-final-release milestone
[03:15] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1
[03:16] <IlyaHaykinson> alright, now just need to wait for Lucid itself to drop ;-)
[03:16] <epkugelmass> humphreybc, nominated lp:499657 for l-e2
[03:17] <humphreybc> thanks Elan
[03:17] <IlyaHaykinson> daker, http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors -- links to the quickshotdevs team in LP
[03:18] <humphreybc> godbyk: what's our guesstimate on the number of downloads including mirrors?
[03:18] <humphreybc> does the script count the mirror downloads too now?
[03:18] <godbyk> no clue on the mirrors
[03:18] <godbyk> yes
[03:18] <humphreybc> kk
[03:18] <humphreybc> what are we up to?
[03:18] <godbyk> current downloads through our site are 1700.
[03:18] <sebsebseb> !manual | h00k
[03:18] <manualbot> Factoid 'manual' not found
[03:18] <sebsebseb> oh yeah of course
[03:18] <sebsebseb> it won't be here
[03:18] <h00k> :D
[03:19] <godbyk> daker has this awesome stats site he wrote. I'm trying to get it set up.
[03:19] <godbyk> then you can see the stats, too.
[03:19] <humphreybc> nice
[03:19] <humphreybc> and the "star" for the lulu.com link is being worked on?
[03:19] <epkugelmass> one more technical item humphreybc: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/final-release-lucid/+status
[03:20] <daker> humphreybc, i don't have a star
[03:20] <humphreybc> daker: can you make one?
[03:20] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: shame about the cover, but good manual
[03:20] <humphreybc> or do you want me to create one for you
[03:20] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: shame about the cover?
[03:20] <godbyk> why don't we just add a button for now (below the download button)
[03:20] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah saw some really nice ones before in development,  and the cover is nothing like those
[03:20] <daker> humphreybc, yes
[03:21] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: the cover has to take in other requirements such as printer friendly-ness
[03:21] <sebsebseb> oh ok
[03:21] <humphreybc> and it has to be generated for each language, so it can't be overly complicated
[03:22] <humphreybc> hey look
[03:22] <humphreybc> http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[03:23] <epkugelmass> great!
[03:24] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: people in #ubuntu-release-party like it by the way
[03:25] <humphreybc> neat
[03:28] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: now a break I guess?  I mean won't know much about  10.10 untill after UDS,  and just after that I guess is a bit to early to start on the next one?
[03:28] <epkugelmass> sebsebseb, we have e2 coming out in just a few short months!
[03:28] <sebsebseb> what's e2?
[03:28] <godbyk> sebsebseb: Second edition.
[03:28] <epkugelmass> lucid-edition2
[03:29] <sebsebseb> oh the point release?
[03:29] <humphreybc> daker: the website is looking great
[03:29] <sebsebseb> 10.04.1  or the manual?
[03:30] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: it's not a point release, it's a second edition for Lucid that we're releasing
[03:30] <IlyaHaykinson> sebsebseb, second edition of the manual
[03:30] <humphreybc> mainly fixing bugs coz Lucid is an LTS
[03:30] <daker> humphreybc, thanks
[03:30] <sebsebseb> right except
[03:30] <humphreybc> and we didn't have much time this cyclc
[03:30] <humphreybc> cycle*
[03:30] <sebsebseb> I thought even with LTS they only do security updates?
[03:30] <sebsebseb> they won't  bring in new end user features for example
[03:30] <sebsebseb> some changes under the hood sure security updates
[03:31] <humphreybc> yeah
[03:31] <humphreybc> that's why we're not going to do point releases for the manual
[03:31] <humphreybc> nothing new to add
[03:31] <epkugelmass> sebsebseb, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e2
[03:31] <sebsebseb> right so Lucid Edition 2 is just some impovements to the manual after feedback or something~?
[03:31] <doctormo> humphreybc: Fixes to make!
[03:31] <humphreybc> doctormo: report them as bugs!
[03:31] <doctormo> http://www.co-ment.net/embed/2458/public_view/
[03:32] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: seems the first edition is being sold as a book as well, but that means it will be outdated in about two months
[03:34] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: technically, yeah
[03:34] <humphreybc> but it's only $9 USD, and it won't be a HUGE amount of changes, just bug fixing
[03:34] <humphreybc> it's not the end of the world
[03:34] <doctormo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/571524
[03:34] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 571524 in ubuntu-manual "Open Source definition is inaccurate" [Undecided,New]
[03:34] <sebsebseb> oh got
[03:34] <sebsebseb> thing on Launchpad as well
[03:35] <sebsebseb> for bugs for the manual
[03:35] <sebsebseb> sort of interesting
[03:35] <IlyaHaykinson> sebsebseb, the purpose of the printed version is not to make money (we take no cut), but to allow people to have a printed version if they so desire, without printing it themselves.
[03:35] <sebsebseb> or not really since, had a launchpad page anyway
[03:35] <IlyaHaykinson> obviously as soon as anything is printed it'd be out of date when we change it.
[03:35] <sebsebseb> who is getting the money for printed version, the publisher?
[03:36] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: by the way I hope the graphics for the manual weren't made on a Mac,  like the graphics for Ubuntu 10.04 are
[03:36] <sebsebseb> Mac OS X hrm
[03:37] <humphreybc> doctormo: I've confirmed your bug and assigned you
[03:37] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: nope, made in Inkscape on Ubuntu by thorwil
[03:37] <sebsebseb> ok :)
[03:37] <sebsebseb> anyway if  the manual has a wrong open source definition, that's not good
[03:38] <humphreybc> it's not *wrong*
[03:38] <humphreybc> it's just not perfect
[03:38] <sebsebseb> ah ok
[03:38] <humphreybc> and doctormo is very picky
[03:38] <humphreybc> :P
[03:38] <doctormo> Because hitler just *wasn't perfect* ;-P
[03:38] <humphreybc> lol
[03:38] <IlyaHaykinson> no, doctormo is right -- not just picky.
[03:38] <IlyaHaykinson> it's just a thorny subject.
[03:38] <humphreybc> godbyk: "More languages will be available next week: English UK, Galician, German & Greek. Other languages will be released over the next few weeks."
[03:39] <humphreybc> hear that?
[03:39] <godbyk> Heh.
[03:39] <godbyk> We'll see. :)
[03:39] <godbyk> We should really give them time to edit their stuff first.
[03:39] <epkugelmass> godbyk, is there anything i can do to help get the translated manuals at the door?
[03:39] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc, well, to be fair i don't think we'll release all 50...
[03:39] <IlyaHaykinson> i think if we get 20 out the door it'll be great.
[03:39] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: no we won't
[03:39] <humphreybc> yeah
[03:41] <humphreybc> okay now we need to go into feedback and research mode
[03:42] <humphreybc> then planning mode
[03:42] <humphreybc> We should encourage reviews of our manual
[03:42] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: Could you work with nisshh on developing a survey?
[03:43] <IlyaHaykinson> humphreybc: no, i don't think this is the right approach
[03:43] <IlyaHaykinson> i've got a meeting with a friend of mine who runs user research
[03:44] <IlyaHaykinson> i think we need to take a step back and design some qualitative research
[03:44] <IlyaHaykinson> user groups, etc.
[03:44] <doctormo> I introduced the manual to all my students today at the community center, they all seemed very interested and left with copies.
[03:44] <IlyaHaykinson> then, based on that, we will figure out what _quantitative_ research to do
[03:44] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. how to structure and administer surveys
[03:44] <humphreybc> okay
[03:44] <IlyaHaykinson> but i think the qualitative has to come first.
[03:44] <humphreybc> that sounds good
[03:44] <humphreybc> Can I leave it in your capable hands?
[03:44] <IlyaHaykinson> sure. i'll drive it for a while.
[03:45] <IlyaHaykinson> will let you know when i need help. i'll keep ppl updated, for sure.
[03:45] <humphreybc> okay, nisshh is keen to help
[03:45] <humphreybc> he's eager and motivated, you will be able to find something for him to do :)
[03:45] <epkugelmass> IlyaHaykinson, let me know if I can help. I'm a student--plenty of prospective users that I can focus group
[03:45] <IlyaHaykinson> sweet. i'll keep him in the loop after my meetings.
[03:45] <humphreybc> great
[03:45] <IlyaHaykinson> epkugelmass: thanks. we'll probably need all the help we can get for recruiting.
[03:46] <IlyaHaykinson> but i first really want to do the design work on the research
[03:46] <humphreybc> let's start work on that asap. We need to start thinking about what we can put into 2nd edition, because we don't have much time since we are trying to cram in two releases this cycle.
[03:46] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. figure out _how_ and _what_ we could do
[03:47] <IlyaHaykinson> i think all the research work will really end up targeting maverick, not lucid-e2.
[03:47] <IlyaHaykinson> it'll take a few weeks to get setup, then more time to get feedback.
[03:47] <IlyaHaykinson> meanwhile we know what we are missing in lucid-e1, and can start on that immediately
[03:48] <IlyaHaykinson> i think that for lucid-e2 we rely on our own knowledge of _problems_ - i.e. things that are not high quality enough
[03:48] <IlyaHaykinson> and on the community, in reporting bugs
[03:48] <IlyaHaykinson> for lucid-e2, we would keep the structure of the lucid-e1 manual mainly intact
[03:49] <IlyaHaykinson> but for maverick, we may end up reorganizing wide swaths of the book if that's what research recommends.
[03:49] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson: sounds good to me
[03:50] <humphreybc> godbyk: how many people have bought the book from lulu?
[03:50] <godbyk> humphreybc: 10 total including yours and Ilya's.
[03:53] <humphreybc> godbyk: not an overwhelming number but that's good
[03:53] <IlyaHaykinson> godbyk: can you check if the Listing & Reading Projects API at http://api.lulu.com/publication/python_tutorial.php returns the number of downloads?
[03:53] <IlyaHaykinson> er, purchases
[03:54] <godbyk> lemme look
[03:54] <godbyk> If so, it'll be another stat to go on the stats.ubuntu-manual.org site that daker and I are working on.  all our stats collected in one place.
[03:55] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: I'm not seeing anything on the particular page about sales/purchases.
[03:55] <godbyk> Looks like it's more for uploading stuff to their site and getting the results of the project's creation.
[03:56] <IlyaHaykinson> no, but i am wondering if list_projects() may output some stats
[03:56] <IlyaHaykinson> it probably doesn't. it's just a hope.
[03:58] <godbyk> Ah, I see.  Not sure. I'll try it.
[04:00] <IlyaHaykinson> better yet, call client.__submit('list', None, None)
[04:00] <godbyk> their code is horrible
[04:00] <IlyaHaykinson> because list_projects seems to only extract the list of content_ids, but the result of the list call may return more stuff than that.
[04:01] <IlyaHaykinson> yeah, the code is a bit, um, unhappy
[04:01] <godbyk> I can't even get their hello, world to run.
[04:05] <godbyk> oh!
[04:05] <godbyk> it's trying to connect to server 127.0.0.1
[04:05] <godbyk> wtf
[04:15] <arand> humphreybc: Is it too late for reporting petty errors in the manual?
[04:15] <humphreybc> arand: for this release, yes, but please do, we'll fix them in the next release
[04:16] <humphreybc> we own the planet: http://planet.ubuntu.com/
[04:18] <arand> Is bug reports the way to go? (Proposed change is one single ":")
[04:18] <humphreybc> arand: yes please
[04:18] <humphreybc> you could combine multiple small grammatical errors into one bug report if you like
[04:19] <arand> humphreybc: The little I've read. I've not found many :)
[04:19] <humphreybc> :D
[04:19] <humphreybc> that's good
[04:19] <humphreybc> we like to hear these things
[04:22] <godbyk> humphreybc: 2300 downloads.
[04:22] <humphreybc> :)
[04:22] <humphreybc> I think we'll reach our target
[04:23] <godbyk> You'll have to go back to the FCM podcast and say, 'Yeah, about that server issue you mentioned..'  ;-)
[04:24] <humphreybc> heh
[04:24] <humphreybc> give me wording for the lulu star thing
[04:25] <godbyk> Ugh.. "Buy the book!"
[04:31] <humphreybc> godbyk, daker: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/website-star.png
[04:32] <humphreybc> is that good?
[04:32] <godbyk> lol
[04:32] <humphreybc> or should it be gree?
[04:32] <humphreybc> green*
[04:32] <IlyaHaykinson> orange, and have dots spaced far apart ;-[
[04:32] <IlyaHaykinson> ;-p
[04:33] <humphreybc> dots spaced far apart? lol
[04:33] <humphreybc> is that good?
[04:33] <humphreybc> wording, colour, size etc?
[04:33] <daker> orange
[04:34] <humphreybc> refresh
[04:35] <humphreybc> or aubergine?
[04:35] <daker> it too big
[04:36] <daker> should be something this
[04:36] <daker> http://www.web20badges.com/images/badge-orange-web.jpg
[04:36] <humphreybc> is that colour okay?
[04:36] <humphreybc> I can make it a circle with jagged edges if you like
[04:36] <humphreybc> I tried that but liked the star shape more
[04:37] <daker> i mean the size
[04:38] <godbyk> http://www.web20badges.com/
[04:38] <godbyk> humphreybc: or you can just generate it: http://www.web20badges.com/
[04:38] <humphreybc> no!
[04:39] <humphreybc> refresh
[04:39] <godbyk> it's harder to read now
[04:39] <humphreybc> better?
[04:40] <daker> yes
[04:40] <daker> the problem is
[04:40] <daker> where should i put it ?
[04:40] <humphreybc> where it is in the mockup
[04:40] <humphreybc> can you do that?
[04:40] <humphreybc> sort of... on top of everything
[04:41] <humphreybc> refresh again
[04:42] <daker> there is the mockup ?
[04:42] <godbyk> still kind of hard to read.
[04:42] <godbyk> more contrast! :)
[04:42] <humphreybc> i'll make the colour a bit lighter
[04:42] <daker> we are at 2500 downloads
[04:42] <godbyk> daker: I was just about to point that out. :)
[04:42] <daker> \o/
[04:43] <humphreybc> kk fixing contrast, one se
[04:43] <humphreybc> refresh
[04:43] <godbyk> daker: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/571531
[04:43] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 571531 in ubuntu-manual "website detects locale/language incorrectly" [Undecided,New]
[04:43] <godbyk> humphreybc: better
[04:43] <humphreybc> god it looks so different between my two monitors
[04:44] <humphreybc> my laptop is REALLY dark orange, on my Dell 24" it's like... yellow
[04:46] <humphreybc> refresh agai
[04:46] <humphreybc> and again..
[04:46] <humphreybc> we happy?
[04:47] <humphreybc> daker: is that good?
[04:47] <daker> good
[04:47] <humphreybc> can we get it to sort of overlap the main content area, like in the mockup I did?
[04:47] <daker> where is the mockup ?
[04:47] <IlyaHaykinson> logging off, tty folks l8r
[04:48] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/manual-print.png
[04:49] <humphreybc> refresh manual print
[04:49] <humphreybc> ignore the facebook, twitter icons and stuff
[04:49] <humphreybc> wait a sec, i'll take a screenshot of the actual site
[04:49] <daker> oki
[04:50] <humphreybc> daker, you might have to make the "Download now" button a bit shorter
[04:50] <daker> oki
[04:51] <daker> Wow 107.88 downloads per hour
[04:54] <godbyk> plus another 200 total for the print version.
[04:54] <humphreybc> daker:
[04:54] <humphreybc> here: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/star-placement-1.png
[04:54] <humphreybc> or here: http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/star-placement-2.png
[04:55] <humphreybc> (depending on whether you can actually get the star to overlap the fading images
[04:56] <daker> at left
[04:56] <humphreybc> which one are you going to do? 2?
[04:56] <daker> yes
[04:56] <daker> 2
[04:57] <humphreybc> neat, can you make it overlap the fading images?
[04:57] <daker> i'll try
[04:57] <daker> but pls not now because i am very very tired, and it's 04:00
[04:58] <humphreybc> okay, go get some rest :)
[04:58] <humphreybc> you've done a great job :)
[04:58] <daker> godbyk, too :)
[05:00] <daker> night all and good counting :)
[05:00] <humphreybc> night daker! good work, have a good sleep!
[05:01] <daker> a 12 hours of sleep
[05:01] <daker> hhhhhhhh
[05:08] <arand> So it is planned to be sold in book format? Where and how much?
[05:08] <humphreybc> it's on lulu.com
[05:08] <humphreybc> let me find the link
[05:09] <humphreybc> http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/10793559
[05:12] <arand> Nice :)
[06:10] <humphreybc> so we had like, 46 people in here at one stage
[06:10] <humphreybc> new record?
[06:17] <arand> humphreybc: You should host the #ubuntu-release-afterparty in here ;)
[06:18] <humphreybc> :D
[06:18] <humphreybc> we can party
[06:34] <c7p> hello guys, congratulations :d
[06:35] <godbyk> Hey, c7p. Thanks!
[06:35] <IlyaHaykinson> c7p: thx!
[06:35] <godbyk> 3700+ downloads
[06:35] <c7p> oh cool
[06:35] <godbyk> (well, that's just the on-screen version)
[06:35] <godbyk> print version is another 280 downloads
[06:35] <c7p> very good
[06:35] <godbyk> 13 copies of the book sold, too
[06:38] <c7p> from what i see on facebook, you want editors for some languages (Galician, German, Greek)
[06:39] <godbyk> c7p: Yeah, we'd like a translator in each group (or at least someone who speaks the language well and has a critical eye) to enlist as the editor for that translation
[06:39] <godbyk> the translation editors are the ones who will clear the translated manual for release, basically.
[06:39] <godbyk> make sure the translations are good, and the formatting is good, etc., etc.
[06:40] <c7p> you mean correct any wrong translations etc ?
[06:40] <godbyk> help correct translations, help out with latex formatting, yeah.
[06:40] <godbyk> for instance, I edited the English version that was released today.
[06:40] <godbyk> most of the margin notes needed to be moved around a bit.
[06:41] <godbyk> .. so that they would line up with the part of the paragraph they referred to.
[06:41] <c7p> oh
[06:41] <c7p> so we'll merge some strings
[06:44] <godbyk> yeah, probably.
[06:44] <godbyk> you can also move the margin notes around by telling it to move it up or down X lines.
[06:45] <c7p> how we do this? with latex ?
[06:48] <godbyk> c7p: That's probably the easiest.
[06:48] <godbyk> I would wait 'til the translations are proofread.
[06:48] <godbyk> Once they're all correct, we can generate a .tex file and move things around as needed.
[06:49] <c7p> interesting
[06:49] <c7p> well g2g
[06:49] <c7p> we will talk sometime today, i hope
[07:08] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: you're up early!~
[07:08] <ubuntujenkins> morning all how are we doing
[07:08] <humphreybc> oh you know, just over 4000 downloads
[07:08] <humphreybc> 13 copies of the book sold
[07:09] <humphreybc> anyways, i best go!
[07:09] <humphreybc> exam time
[07:09] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc yes i have lectures. wow thats good plus the mirrors
[07:09] <ubuntujenkins> good luck
[07:10] <humphreybc> danke!
[07:11] <ubuntujenkins> ooo quickshot has a 3 more people who want to join
[07:13] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: maybe
[07:13] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: there was a bad link on the website
[07:13] <godbyk> that directed people to the quickshot team instead of the ubuntu-manual team
[07:13] <godbyk> the link's been fixed.
[07:13] <godbyk> I've emailed those 4 people to make sure they didn't mean the ubuntu-manual team.
[07:13] <ubuntujenkins> are makes sense thanks godbyk.
[07:13] <godbyk> I told them if they were interested in quickshot, they should pop into the irc channel and chat up either you or RedHamster_X.
[07:14] <ubuntujenkins> cheers
[07:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> godbyk: i don't think your website re-pull thing is working
[07:24] <IlyaHaykinson_> either that, or there's a caching layer
[07:25] <godbyk> I'll look
[07:25] <godbyk> I'm at revno 64, what are you at?
[07:26] <godbyk> oh! hey, make sure you're making your edits in the test/ dir.
[07:26] <godbyk> the main site is point at test/ now.
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> er, what?
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> really?
[07:30] <godbyk> yep
[07:30] <IlyaHaykinson_> so what's main?
[07:30] <godbyk> daker was testing up until the last second (literally) and so we just swapped out the symlink.
[07:31] <IlyaHaykinson_> i see. ok.
[07:31] <godbyk> main is has lagged behind testing for a few hours.
[07:31] <godbyk> we'll eventually set them straight.
[07:31] <godbyk> but we were under a bit of pressure, what with humphreybc's random countdown and all. :-)
[07:31] <IlyaHaykinson_> ok, pushed the change to test. thx.
[07:32] <godbyk> np
[07:32] <godbyk> I'm trying to figure out why the German translation is harping about a glossary entry now.
[07:32] <godbyk> It's claiming there's no description for the Wubi entry.
[07:32] <godbyk> But I'm staring right at it.
[07:32]  * godbyk is confused.
[07:34] <IlyaHaykinson_> bad character?
[07:34] <godbyk> Not really sure.
[07:34] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: may be he means the wubi sin't mentioned in the manaul
[07:37] <godbyk> here's the .tex file if you want to stare at it with me: http://paste.ubuntu.com/424427/
[07:37] <godbyk> I just made a fake wubi entry for now, and it doesn't like that either.
[07:37] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil!
[07:37] <thorwil> hi!
[07:38] <ubuntujenkins> hello thorwil
[07:38] <godbyk> We're at about 5000 downloads and 13 books purchased.
[07:38] <thorwil> wow
[07:38] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[07:38] <godbyk> all in 6.5 hours.
[07:39] <ubuntujenkins> I can't see a problem with the glossary entry
[07:40] <IlyaHaykinson_> could it be because it's the last one before the \begin{document}?
[07:41] <IlyaHaykinson_> and if you add another (fake) one after wubi, the thing would be complaining about -it- now?
[07:41] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: Maybe. I'll try.
[07:42] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: Nice call! I think you're on to something.
[07:42] <godbyk> It complained about the new one I added.
[07:42] <godbyk> Okay, Lemme do some binary searching and narrow this down.
[07:43] <IlyaHaykinson_> i think there are too few }s in the glossary section
[07:43] <IlyaHaykinson_> 161 {s and 126 }s
[07:45] <godbyk> probably.
[07:45] <godbyk> wow
[07:45] <godbyk> it's that unbalanced?!
[07:46] <thorwil> humphreybc: the announcement is already on the planet thanks to the fridge. do you really think i should repeat that?
[07:46] <IlyaHaykinson_> no, i must be mistaken. i don't see how though (script seemed correct)
[07:47] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: what script are you using?
[07:48] <godbyk> I used to have one that counted parens, braces, etc. like that, but don't know where it's gotten off to.
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson_> cat glossary-section | tr --complement '{' '\n' | egrep -v '^$' | wc -l
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson_> then the same thing with '}
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson_> '}'
[07:48] <IlyaHaykinson_> but clearly i'm wrong
[07:49] <godbyk> I'll just write up a quick python script. :)
[07:52] <IlyaHaykinson_> it's balanced
[07:52] <IlyaHaykinson_> fold --bytes --width=1 test | sort | uniq -c | egrep "\{|\}"
[07:53] <IlyaHaykinson_> where test has our text
[07:53] <IlyaHaykinson_> 161 for both { and }
[07:53] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: humphreybc is at an exam. I guess proabbely best not to spam it with reelases at least one other person has reposted it
[07:54] <thorwil> ubuntujenkins: yeah, that's what i think
[07:54] <ubuntujenkins> nope they have posted it twice. We have lost 30 faecboook fans from all the posts yesterday
[07:54] <godbyk> ok
[07:56] <IlyaHaykinson_> ah, but the whole documen is unbalanced
[07:57] <IlyaHaykinson_> lacking a }
[07:57] <godbyk> any idea where?
[07:57] <godbyk> brb
[07:58] <godbyk> usually latex's good about tell me that.
[07:58] <godbyk> but it's not getting past the glossary entries yet.
[07:59] <IlyaHaykinson_> run that script on the individual chapter files
[08:01] <godbyk> back now.
[08:01] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: there are no individual chapter files for the translations.
[08:01] <IlyaHaykinson_> ok hang on i have a system for it. gimme 2 min
[08:01] <godbyk> they're all merged into that one huge file.
[08:01] <ChrisWoollard> Well done for getting the manual out
[08:01] <godbyk> Thanks, ChrisWoollard
[08:02] <godbyk> whoa! major spike in downloads the last hour: http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=bvg&chs=550x320&chxt=x,x,y&chd=t:62,25,57,58,55,48,93,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0&chds=0,93&chxl=0:|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|01|02|03|04|05|06|07|08|09|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|00|1:|28/04|29/04|2:|0|23|46|62|93
[08:03] <godbyk> I think Europe is waking up. :)
[08:03] <IlyaHaykinson_> found it (default apps somewhere) hang on narrowing further
[08:03] <godbyk> k
[08:06] <IlyaHaykinson_> rhythmbox section. narrowing further
[08:07] <godbyk> try line 4614
[08:07] <IlyaHaykinson_> \subsection{Freigegebene Musik hören}
[08:07] <IlyaHaykinson_> it's in that section
[08:08] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson_: Yeah, that's where it is
[08:08] <godbyk> extra { before the \marginnote.
[08:08] <IlyaHaykinson_> nod
[08:09] <godbyk> right.
[08:09] <godbyk> let me try to recompile this whole thing again now.
[08:09] <godbyk> (so time-consuming, chasing down this little bugs.)
[08:09] <godbyk> I spent a few hours on it yesterday.
[08:09] <godbyk> cleared all but this one, I think.
[08:14] <godbyk> I think our site is getting more hits now than it did when we first released the manual.
[08:16] <IlyaHaykinson_> well, all the excitement of the Lucid release will buoy our site too
[08:17] <godbyk> yeah, especially since it's not out yet.
[08:17] <IlyaHaykinson_> i just spammed #ubuntu-release-party about the manual :)
[08:18] <godbyk> Heh. nice. humphreybc did earlier, too
[08:18] <IlyaHaykinson_> and spammed #ubuntu for good measure
[08:18] <godbyk> heh
[08:19] <godbyk> I'm running this http://code.google.com/p/logstalgia/ against my server life.
[08:19] <godbyk> (streaming the access.log file over ssh straight into the program)
[08:19] <godbyk> it's fun.
[08:19] <godbyk> when things settle down (tomorrow?), I'll take the access logs and run them through the program and generate a video of it.
[08:19] <IlyaHaykinson_> ah, cute.
[08:20] <godbyk> so we can see it go from a ghost town to being attacked all at once.
[08:20] <IlyaHaykinson_> though really, apart from all the hoopla today, it's the long term usage that counts... :)
[08:20] <godbyk> yep
[08:22] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: that video would be so cool
[08:23] <RPG-Master> I want to thank everyone who made this awesome little "for dummies" guide you've put together. My non-geek friends would thank you too :)
[08:24] <godbyk> RPG-Master: No problem.  Though it's not a for-dummies guide, as dummies don't use Linux. :)
[08:25] <RPG-Master> godbyk: Being compared to the for dummies series is a good thing! :D
[08:25] <godbyk> Ah, okay then. :)
[08:27] <RPG-Master> They're famous for being well written and plain worded. So, good for those who aren't geeky ;)
[08:36] <humphreybc> back
[08:37] <humphreybc> exam was rather easy
[08:37] <humphreybc> although i forgot a couple of things
[08:37] <humphreybc> how input() behaves in the interpreter
[08:37] <humphreybc> also what "%-5d" % n does
[08:39] <godbyk> humphreybc: we're almost at 6000 downloads
[08:39] <humphreybc> nice!
[08:39] <godbyk> there was a bit of a spike last hour
[08:39] <humphreybc> sweet
[08:39] <ubuntujenkins> probably because the uk got up
[08:39] <humphreybc> holy moly
[08:39] <humphreybc> 252.25 downloads an hour now
[08:39] <godbyk> http://chart.apis.google.com/chart?cht=bvg&chs=550x320&chxt=x,x,y&chd=t:10,1067,508,541,568,679,696,1167,814,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0&chds=0,1167&chxl=0:|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|00|01|02|03|04|05|06|07|08|09|10|11|12|13|14|15|16|17|18|19|20|21|22|23|00|1:|28/04|29/04|2:|0|291|583|778|1167
[08:39] <humphreybc> nice
[08:40] <humphreybc> nice URL
[08:40] <godbyk> yeah, thank google chart api for that one. :)
[08:40] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: I have found the xindy package in debian, so just got to get enoght info to upload it to a ppa
[08:41] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: nice
[08:49] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: got the needed stuff.
[08:49] <IlyaHaykinson_> all that's missing is the operating system
[08:49] <IlyaHaykinson_> that's the subject of our manual :)
[08:49] <ubuntujenkins> if anyone wants me i for quickshot ping me and i will get back to them
[08:50] <humphreybc> IlyaHaykinson_: ?
[08:50] <humphreybc> godbyk, latest comment: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-04-released/#comments
[08:50] <humphreybc> (about the fonts)
[08:53] <jaminday> hey guys, great to see the manual is out the door! Just ordered a print from lulu.
[08:54] <humphreybc> hey jamin!
[08:54] <godbyk> humphreybc: got it.  I replied.  there's a colophon at the back of the manual the gives urls and stuff about the fonts and other tools we used.
[08:54] <jaminday> humphreybc: hey, sorry haven't been around for a while!
[08:54] <humphreybc> godbyk: there is?
[08:54] <humphreybc> jaminday: that's all good
[08:54] <godbyk> 15 books sold, then.
[08:55] <godbyk> humphreybc: yep. I added that at the last minute along with a half-title page (for the print version only) and a bit more info on the copyright page.
[08:55] <jaminday> godbyk: great!
[08:56] <jaminday> sounds like the downloads are going well
[08:56] <humphreybc> nice
[08:56] <humphreybc> yeah they are jamin
[08:56] <humphreybc> craking way past 6000
[08:56] <jaminday> wow that's fantastic
[08:56] <humphreybc> we should easily reach 10,000 in the first 24 hours
[08:56] <jaminday> nice
[08:57] <humphreybc> http://techcrunch.com/2010/04/28/jon-stewart-rips-into-apple-over-lost-iphone-debacle-thats-going-to-leave-a-mark/
[08:57] <godbyk> which we only care about because humphreybc set that as some arbitrary goal. :)
[08:58] <jaminday> godbyk: hehe
[08:58] <humphreybc> haha
[08:58] <humphreybc> 100,000 downloads by UDS
[08:59] <godbyk> How many days between now and then?
[08:59] <IlyaHaykinson_> i don't think that is realisti c
[08:59] <humphreybc> 11
[08:59] <IlyaHaykinson_> we don't have consumer marketing
[09:00] <IlyaHaykinson_> existing linux users don't really need a manual generally
[09:00] <IlyaHaykinson_> and we aren't yet reaching non-users or new users effectively
[09:00] <Daviey> while do; do wget http://$MANULA_URL ; done
[09:00] <godbyk> lol
[09:00] <IlyaHaykinson_> heh
[09:00] <Daviey> erm, YKWIM
[09:01] <IlyaHaykinson_> hm. are we really having bandwidth issues?
[09:01] <humphreybc> Good to see Apple getting some serious negative press
[09:01] <IlyaHaykinson_> if we are, i can try reaching out to a few contacts at Akamai
[09:01] <IlyaHaykinson_> maybe i can get them to throw in their CDN service for free for our use
[09:01] <IlyaHaykinson_> but i don't want to ask unless we really need it
[09:02] <IlyaHaykinson_> and it's not just a temporary problem for the next few days
[09:02] <humphreybc> I think we're okay now
[09:05] <IlyaHaykinson_> if this changes, let me know.
[09:05] <godbyk> I don't think we have bandwidth issues.
[09:05] <godbyk> I think the original problem was due to CPU usage.
[09:05] <godbyk> And we've resolved that issue (I hope).
[09:05] <humphreybc> :)
[09:06] <humphreybc> I wonder if you'll get an email from Dreamhost being like "Why the hell did your bandwidth usage increase 1000% in an hour?!"
[09:06] <humphreybc> "What are you, releasing the new iPhone!?"
[09:08] <godbyk> heh
[09:08] <humphreybc> our downloads are still increasing
[09:10] <godbyk> yeah, we'll probably see them increase even more when the US wakes up.
[09:10] <humphreybc> heh
[09:11] <IlyaHaykinson_> i would wait about a day, and then approach the folks at lifehacker.com and try to get them to cover us.
[09:11] <IlyaHaykinson_> _after_ the OS drops
[09:11] <godbyk> we'll probably hit humphreybc's 10,000 downloads before the day's half over.
[09:11] <godbyk> that's a good idea, IlyaHaykinson_.
[09:12] <godbyk> I'll be back in a moment. Going to find something for supper.
[09:12] <humphreybc> I included a lifehacker editor's email in the original press release I sent out
[09:12]  * godbyk is still wrestling with this German manual and needs a break.
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson_> alright
[09:12] <IlyaHaykinson_> i'm off to bed; happy ubuntu day, everyone
[09:14] <humphreybc> night IlyaHaykinson_
[09:21] <thorwil> humphreybc: instead of just repeating the announcement, i'll prepare a post about the titlepage process, with examples of at least 3 translations. i might add a note about our stats there
[09:21] <godbyk> It's settled then: I'm having spaghetti for dinner. :)
[09:21] <godbyk> thorwil: that sounds like a great idea!
[09:21] <humphreybc> thorwil: that sounds good :)
[09:22] <godbyk> thorwil: also, get a dig in about how it took canonical too long to get their logo and colors to us. :)
[09:22] <thorwil> godbyk: yeah, planned that, too
[09:22] <popey> morning
[09:22] <thorwil> morning popey
[09:22] <humphreybc> sup popey
[09:22] <humphreybc> *g unit*
[09:22] <humphreybc> and all that
[09:22] <popey> just had someone tell me the screenshots look bad in evince..
[09:22]  * humphreybc is off to do dishes, back in a bit
[09:22] <popey> but okay in acroread
[09:22] <humphreybc> popey: that would be on karmic
[09:23] <popey> ahh
[09:23] <popey> no, lucid
[09:23] <popey> fixed in git, not in lucid
[09:23] <godbyk> thorwil: did you see the visual identity stuff posted yesterday?
[09:24] <godbyk> popey: should be fixed in lucid, too.  at least it was last time I looked on my laptop.
[09:24] <godbyk> we got the patch backported.
[09:24] <thorwil> godbyk: yes, before anyone else outside of Canonical, afaik
[09:26] <thorwil> godbyk: i pointed out an issue with the colors, had some notes on the pdf and some not so friendly words of how the process looks like from the outside
[09:27] <godbyk> popey: here's the bug where we (allegedly) fixed the issue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/debian/+source/poppler/+bug/248355
[09:27] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 248355 in poppler "Evince doesn't anti-alias graphics" [Low,Fix released]
[09:27] <thorwil> godbyk: if you take the "for web" color they specify, you end up with something that is more red than orange, so we are better off with our custom orange, anyway
[09:27] <godbyk> thorwil: nice!
[09:28] <godbyk> thorwil: print and web are two different animals, as well.  usually the colors have to be adjusted.
[09:30] <thorwil> godbyk: i know. but if you take one of the SVGs, export to PDF, you end up with something that is very different from the tone in the guidelines. on screen. will be about the same difference in print
[09:32] <thorwil> see here: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/d3dae3e88edce0d243dba8d7f5ccd113
[09:32] <thorwil> the design team got the same shot
[09:33] <godbyk> thorwil: wow!
[09:33] <godbyk> thorwil: what causes that?
[09:35] <thorwil> godbyk: any of: some color management vs no color management, working on macs, never testing with inkscape and co, getting the hex numbers wrong?
[09:37] <thorwil> the only thing i'm sure about is the result is not acceptable
[09:44]  * thorwil pushed Hebrew title page just to have an RTL example
[09:45] <godbyk> back now
[09:45] <godbyk> cool
[10:29] <humphreybc> thorwil: god that's awful
[10:29] <humphreybc> they had enough time to get it right, too
[10:29] <humphreybc> who'd you tell off?
[10:30] <thorwil> humphreybc: Iain and Kenneth
[10:34] <nisshh> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! PARTY TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[10:34] <thorwil> nisshh: i'm not sure i parse that correctly ... are you excited?
[10:36] <nisshh> thorwil: YEAAAA!!! what cant you tell?
[10:40] <nisshh> humphreybc: who put, manualbot in the cledits on the website, hehehe...
[10:43] <hemanth> i found a TeXLive2009 ppa in LP, would you guys recommend it ? https://launchpad.net/~aelmahmoudy/+archive/tl2009
[10:52] <godbyk> hemanth: I haven't tried it for a few months, but I'm not sure if it contains new enough version of files that we need. It's possible, though.
[10:57] <humphreybc> Looks like we're going to be stickyed in the Absolute Beginners thread
[10:57] <hemanth> godbyk, ok, cos from source i tried 3 time, getting few n/w issues
[10:58] <godbyk> hemanth: What issues are you having?
[10:58] <godbyk> humphreybc: awesome
[11:00] <hemanth> godbyk, it fails to fetch some file, and says its saved in some *.property file and i'm continue again, but again it says the same
[11:00] <hemanth> *i'm,i may
[11:01] <godbyk> hemanth: that's during the texlive installation?
[11:01] <hemanth> yes
[11:03] <hemanth> godbyk, on sudo ./install-tl
[11:03] <godbyk> Gotcha.
[11:03] <godbyk> That's odd.  Have you tried running it with a different mirror?
[11:04] <hemanth> nope!
[11:05] <godbyk> You might give that a shot.  It's possible the file is missing from that particular mirror.
[11:05] <nisshh> does anyone know how many downloads we have had yet?
[11:05] <nisshh> be interesting to know
[11:07] <godbyk> nisshh: 9,000.
[11:08] <hemanth> godbyk, what is the parameter to switch to new mirror?
[11:08]  * nisshh giggles like girl...
[11:09] <godbyk> hemanth: I think one of the menu options lets you choose a mirror.  It's been quite a while since I've run it.
[11:09] <nisshh> humphreybc: looks like we will hit 10k downloads easy
[11:09] <hemanth> godbyk, only cli is working for me here! install-tl --gui=wizard is not
[11:10] <humphreybc> nisshh: yeah!
[11:10] <godbyk> hemanth: the cli has a text-based menu, too.
[11:11] <godbyk> let me give it a shot real quick
[11:11] <hemanth> okies, me in text mode
[11:13] <godbyk> hemanth: ./install-tl -repository URL
[11:14] <godbyk> hemanth: you can find a list of mirrors at http://ctan.org/mirrors
[11:14] <hemanth> Partial download of bibleref.tar.xz found, removing it. URL by default is http://ctan.um.ac.ir
[11:14] <hemanth> godbyk, okies checking the mirror
[11:17] <humphreybc> http://madforubuntu.com/?p=24
[11:17] <hemanth> godbyk, TLDownload::get_file: response error:404 Not Found, for 3 url's in a row!  phew
[11:18] <godbyk> hemanth: you can also try http://mirror.ctan.org/
[11:18] <godbyk> and it'll choose one for you
[11:19] <hemanth> godbyk, 302 found and it selected http://ctan.um.ac.ir/
[11:20] <godbyk> lol
[11:20] <godbyk> of course
[11:20] <hemanth> same thing is broken
[11:21] <godbyk> hemanth: Okay. You may try emailing the tex-live mailing list and see if they can help more, too: http://tug.org/texlive/lists.html
[11:23] <hemanth> godbyk, done mail sent :)
[11:26] <godbyk> hemanth: cool.  let me know how it turns out.
[11:26] <hemanth> godbyk, sure
[12:07] <humphreybc> almost at 10,000 downloads!
[12:08] <nisshh> woooooo!
[12:09] <godbyk> 9984
[12:10] <godbyk> 10000
[12:10] <godbyk> w00t!
[12:11]  * nisshh screams far too loudly for this time of night
[12:11]  * nisshh is kidding!
[12:11] <humphreybc> yippers!
[12:14] <godbyk> humphreybc's so ecstatic, he fell of the internet!
[12:14] <humphreybc> hahaha
[12:17] <Daker> Yeah over than 10000 downloads \o/
[12:18] <godbyk> Daker: yep! It just rolled over.
[12:18] <godbyk> Daker: and the site seems to be holding up without any problems.
[12:19] <Daker> cool
[12:19] <godbyk> (even through 3+ hours of higher traffic than that first hour.)
[12:21] <Daker> Congratulations Guys
[12:21] <godbyk> You, too
[12:22] <godbyk> The US is just now waking up, so I think we're going to get a lot more downloads in the next few hours.
[12:22] <Daker> oki
[12:23] <Daker> brb breakfast time for me
[12:23] <humphreybc> yay!
[12:41] <godbyk> Okay, guys, I'm headed to bed.  Don't break anything while I'm gone! :-)
[12:41] <humphreybc> okay!~
[12:41] <humphreybc> night!
[12:41] <godbyk> Also, congratulations on a great first release!
[12:41] <humphreybc> :)
[12:41] <humphreybc> couldn't have done it without ya!
[12:41] <godbyk> 10,640 downloads and counting...
[12:42] <godbyk> I'll be back around in 8-9 hours, probably.
[12:42] <humphreybc> kay
[12:52] <c7p> hello
[12:55] <humphreybc> hey c7p
[12:56] <c7p> godbyk are you there?
[12:56] <humphreybc> he's asleeping
[12:56] <c7p> ah ok
[12:56] <c7p> i can imagine he had a long day
[12:58] <c7p> actually i read a post on fb "Different languages will be available next week, most likely English UK, Galician, German and Greek. Other languages will be released as the translations are completed over the next few weeks."
[12:58] <c7p> and i want to learn what can i do
[12:58] <c7p> *We will need editors for these languages too, so if you speak one of the above, please contact us ASAP in the channel: #ubuntu-manual on freenode.
[13:01] <c7p> my native language is greek, i have been translating the manual from the beginning (when it had 500 strings) till now, so i think i can help
[13:07] <daker> after 12hours we have 11257 downloads
[13:07] <c7p> great :D
[13:07] <nisshh> weeeee!
[13:08] <nisshh> they are coming in thick and fast now
[13:08] <daker> top 5 countries
[13:08] <daker> US (United States) : 1557 downloads
[13:08] <daker> CN (China) : 907 downloads
[13:08] <daker> ES (Spain) : 703 downloads
[13:08] <daker> GB (United Kingdom) : 624 downloads
[13:08] <daker> RU (Russian Federation) : 556 downloads
[13:08] <thorwil> humphreybc: uhm, the lulu edition isn't available, yet?
[13:09] <daker> thorwil, it's available
[13:09] <daker> thorwil, http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/getting-started-with-ubuntu-1004/10793559
[13:12] <daker> for the printed version: 909 downloads
[13:12] <daker> top 5 :
[13:12] <daker> CN (China) : 141 downloads
[13:12] <daker> US (United States) : 97 downloads
[13:12] <daker> GB (United Kingdom) : 50 downloads
[13:12] <daker> TW (Taiwan) : 46 downloads
[13:12] <daker> ES (Spain) : 43 downloads
[13:13] <humphreybc> thorwil: daker's going to add a link on the main site pointing to lulu soon
[13:13] <thorwil> daker: ah, thanks. couldn't find it via lulu search
[13:13] <humphreybc> thorwil: really? google "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 lulu"
[13:14] <thorwil> well, their own search sucks, obviously
[13:17] <c7p> on our website some languages aren't available from the drop-down list
[13:17] <c7p> can someone repair it?
[13:18] <daker> cause they are not translated completely
[13:19] <c7p> actually it is 100% translated in greek and there is no option on the list, that's why i mentioned it
[13:19] <daker> oki i'll check
[13:20] <c7p> ty
[13:31] <thorwil> http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/04/29/getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-04-title-page-design/
[13:36] <c7p> nice job thorwill
[13:36] <c7p> thorwil*
[13:37] <semioticrobotic> anyone else having trouble getting ubuntu.com load?
[13:37] <thorwil> c7p: ty
[13:37] <daker> me
[13:37] <semioticrobotic> okay, just checking
[13:37]  * thorwil edit to add a line about number of downloads so far
[13:37] <semioticrobotic> I'm sure the site's getting a major overhaul today, in addition to the 10.04 blitz
[13:58] <humphreybc>  those translated title pages look so kickass, thorwil
[14:04] <humphreybc> 12,500 downloads and the download rate is still increasing
[14:05] <hemanth> :)
[14:06] <semioticrobotic> so much for wondering whether we'll hit 10,000!
[14:06] <hemanth> is z.varallyay here? i saw the mailing list of advanced command line, i would be pleased to contribute to this sector of the manual, few of my scripts are https://launchpad.net/scripting and http://is.gd/bMZzK
[14:07] <thorwil> humphreybc: heh, thank you! coffee time!
[14:07] <hemanth> godbyk, still no response form the tex developers
[14:21] <humphreybc> Oo
[14:21] <humphreybc> lucky they catched this
[14:21] <humphreybc> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[14:21] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems" [Critical,Confirmed]
[14:22] <semioticrobotic> will that delay today's release, humphreybc?
[14:23] <humphreybc> it may do, but i believe they've got it sorted and are respinning the ISOs
[14:23] <semioticrobotic> okay
[14:23] <semioticrobotic> well, at any rate, I'm not able to perform my upgrade today
[14:23] <semioticrobotic> but just wondering
[14:24] <humphreybc> read the comments
[14:24] <humphreybc> they're an interesting insight into the stress of Canonical employees around release day :P
[14:25] <humphreybc> "Are you proposing slipping the 10.04 release for this? Do you realize it takes 2 days to respin ISOs, thus making this a 10.05 release?"
[14:25] <humphreybc> sounds like it's all go
[14:25] <humphreybc> "A third alternative is that if we get a fix into lucid-updates ASAP, then the "Update this installer" link at the start of the installer can be made active - that was designed for this kind of purpose."
[14:25] <humphreybc> "@Robbie: for me this is a release blocker so if I was allowed to chose, I would delay the release."
[14:25] <semioticrobotic> interesting
[14:25] <humphreybc> "We've decided to respin the 32bit and 64bit CDs of Ubuntu Desktop *ONLY*, as we feel this gives us the widest spread fix possible and allows us to still release today (April 29th). Unfortunately, this means other affected variants, such as Xubuntu, will not have this fix, and we deeply apologize for this."
[14:26] <semioticrobotic> I'm installing a 32-bit  version on my notebook, and it's my only OS, so I doubt this affects me
[14:26] <semioticrobotic> but I'm still glad I'm waiting
[14:26] <semioticrobotic> fewer updates to install
[14:26] <semioticrobotic> I never released Ubuntu had an "update this installer" feature
[14:27] <semioticrobotic> seems very handy for situations like this
[14:39] <humphreybc> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/fatal-flaw-in-grub-found-at-very-late.html
[14:47]  * humphreybc is busy writing articles to cover all the news that's flowing in
[14:48]  * daker is busy fixing bugs 
[14:55] <nisshh> everyone check your feed readers, about 50 posts have been put up about the manual
[14:55]  * nisshh is busy answering stuff on the mailing list
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> hello guys i am back again
[14:56] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: hey dude
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> you good nisshh ?
[14:56] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: yea, you?
[14:57] <ubuntujenkins> I am not lectures are over. may have fell asleep in the last one :/
[14:57] <nisshh> hehe
[14:57] <nisshh> boring eh?
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> were wer being told about the history of fatigue. all we need to know is how to work it out.
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> *we were
[14:59] <nisshh> wow, i would probably fall asleep too!
[14:59] <daker> we are at 14040 downloads
[14:59] <nisshh> daker: holy crap! that was quick!
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> nice I swear an hour ago it was alot less
[14:59] <nisshh> anyone know when humphreybc is coming back?
[15:00] <nisshh> yea
[15:01] <nisshh> anyone know if we are planning on an accessible version of the manual?
[15:01] <nisshh> for the visually impaired?
[15:18] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: no that i know of wouldn't the screen reader work well enough? I have not used it
[15:18] <nisshh> apparently the screen reader is difficult to use with pdfs
[15:19] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: check the mailing list, it has a post there
[15:19] <ubuntujenkins> we then thats something to look into.
[15:20] <ubuntujenkins> o see i hadn't read the list yet. hmm something to work on
[15:20] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: its difficult according to that persons opinion
[15:21] <nisshh> need to make sure humphreybc sees that...
[15:21] <ubuntujenkins> one of us will mention it to him
[15:21] <humphreybc> daker: how's it going?
[15:22] <ubuntujenkins> just in time :0
[15:22] <humphreybc> almost up to 15,000 downloads
[15:22] <humphreybc> just in time?
[15:22] <humphreybc> for?
[15:23] <epkugelmass> humphreybc: am I supposed to be able to see anything stats.ubuntu-manual.org ?
[15:23] <nisshh> humphreybc: check the mailing list, there is a post there about visually impaired
[15:23] <humphreybc> epkugelmass: nope
[15:23] <daker> epkugelmass, http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[15:24] <nisshh> humphreybc: plus a few more too
[15:24] <daker> screen version
[15:24] <daker> http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=9
[15:24] <daker> printe version
[15:24] <daker> print*
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> wow stats pages
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> omg these pages are great good work daker
[15:25] <daker> thanks
[15:26]  * humphreybc never expected so many downloads
[15:26] <ubuntujenkins> is there a country that hasn't downloaded it?
[15:26] <nisshh> has anyone from australia downloaded it?
[15:27] <nisshh> apart from me...
[15:27] <daker> AU (Australia) : 415 downloads
[15:27] <nisshh> daker: cool!
[15:27] <daker> click => "Traffic location"
[15:27] <nisshh> nice to know someone else uses ubuntu in au
[15:27] <daker> then click "Click for more details"
[15:27] <nisshh> daker: yea, i looked before but couldnt find any AU
[15:28] <daker> CTRL+F "AU (Australia)"
[15:28] <ubuntujenkins> 140 countries out of 195 that is so good
[15:28] <epkugelmass> ubuntujenkins: no hits from dprk
[15:28] <daker> dprk ?
[15:28] <epkugelmass> democratic people's republic of korea, daker
[15:28] <humphreybc> 113 downloads in NZ! woo!
[15:29] <humphreybc> not that many hits from the UK
[15:29] <nisshh> humphreybc: au is owning nz with over 400!
[15:29] <humphreybc> shutup nisshh :P
[15:29] <nisshh> coming 8th
[15:29] <nisshh> hehe
[15:29] <humphreybc> godbyk told me some stats for the email addreses we've been collecting
[15:29] <humphreybc> for people who want to hear about the manual in their language
[15:29] <nisshh> huh?
[15:29] <humphreybc> something like 100+ sign ups to hear more info on the Spanish version
[15:30] <daker> Woooow
[15:30] <nisshh> dang!
[15:30] <humphreybc> the most demanded translations are Spanish (130), Russian (103), Portuguese (15), German (13)
[15:31] <daker> French too
[15:31] <ubuntujenkins> daker: whats our google stats thing. how high up google we are
[15:31] <humphreybc> so... russian translators... deploy!
[15:31] <nisshh> well, spanish is spoken by ALOT of people around the world
[15:31] <humphreybc> WE MADE SOFTPEDIA!
[15:31] <humphreybc> http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-Ubuntu-10-04-Manual-Is-Now-Available-140895.shtml
[15:32] <nisshh> ooooh cool!
[15:32] <ubuntujenkins> where have we not made :)
[15:32] <humphreybc> it's a sponsored link on google
[15:32] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: meh!
[15:32] <humphreybc> http://www.google.co.nz/search?sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Ubuntu+Manual
[15:32] <epkugelmass> humphreybc: is there a launchpad team that we can contact about ES and RU?
[15:32] <humphreybc> at least for me
[15:32] <ubuntujenkins> do you think we will get more downloads than ubuntu
[15:32] <humphreybc> epkugelmass: not sure, you wanna find out? :P
[15:32] <epkugelmass> sure, humphreybc
[15:32] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: nope, no way
[15:33] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: how many do they get?
[15:33] <humphreybc> heh, Luke, Ubuntu gets millions
[15:33] <nisshh> yep
[15:33] <humphreybc> there are around 10 million ubuntu users
[15:33] <daker> ubuntujenkins, our pagerank is 4
[15:33] <humphreybc> with downloads + upgrades they'd have a shitload
[15:33] <daker> for google stats should ask godbyk
[15:33] <humphreybc> "The Ubuntu Manual is a great tool and the quality is on par with what you’d expect. It starts out with a brief overview of Ubuntu and Linux in general, but it quickly gets down to business with a step-by-step installation guide. Everything from choosing the right ISO to partitioning your hard drive is covered. "
[15:33] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks daker page rank is what i ment
[15:33] <nisshh> one for every "when is lucid final coming out?" thread on UF!
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> epkugelmass: I would gess the translation teams for those langauges would be a good place to start
[15:34] <daker> ubuntujenkins, we have wait til the pagerank get update
[15:34] <humphreybc> btw anyone who doesn't know, we will be stickied in the absolute beginner UF forum
[15:35] <ubuntujenkins> any one know how to turn off highlighting for this channel only?
[15:35] <ubuntujenkins> daker: any idea how often it is done?
[15:35] <nisshh> humphreybc: saw that when it was first posted thismorning
[15:36] <daker> ubuntujenkins, nop, may be in the next 2 days
[15:36]  * ubuntujenkins has manual highlighted in case people ask where to find it in other channels
[15:36] <humphreybc> daker: have we got html tags and stuff in our site? I googled for "Getting started with Ubuntu" and our site isn't even on the first page
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: the package in the next release of ubuntu can we have a converstion on how you want it to work please
[15:41] <daker> ubuntujenkins, yes
[15:41] <daker> h00k, , yes
[15:41] <daker> f***
[15:41] <daker> humphreybc, , yes
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[15:41] <nisshh> hehe
[15:42] <epkugelmass> humphreybc: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ru and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-es
[15:42] <humphreybc> what's happening!?
[15:42] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: package?
[15:42] <epkugelmass> humphreybc: I'll send an email.
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: you said you wanted the manual packaged in the next ubuntu release
[15:43] <humphreybc> epkugelmass: thankyou :)
[15:43] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: right
[15:43] <humphreybc> sort of like your PPA
[15:43] <humphreybc> but we get it in the Software Center
[15:43] <humphreybc> easy
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> ok how would you like it to deal with different langauges?
[15:43] <humphreybc> no idea
[15:43] <humphreybc> :)
[15:43] <ubuntujenkins> also do we include it in the ppa or download it after installing the packgae
[15:44] <nisshh> package for each language?
[15:44] <humphreybc> probably have a short installer type thing
[15:44] <humphreybc> nisshh: probably not, no
[15:44] <humphreybc> i'd say a little program written in python that we stick in the repo
[15:44] <humphreybc> you install that, it runs and you choose your language/version/whatever
[15:44] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea your right, that would be 195 packages eventually
[15:44] <humphreybc> it creates an "Ubuntu Manual" or something-a-rather folder in your home directory
[15:44] <humphreybc> and it basically runs wget to grab the PDF from our site
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: thats what i was thinking
[15:45] <humphreybc> easy
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: easy concider me on it
[15:45] <humphreybc> sweet! you've got 6 months to work on it :P
[15:45]  * ubuntujenkins goes back to trying to package laytex
[15:45] <nisshh> hehe
[15:46] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: any gui suggestions welcome
[15:46] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: i'll do some mockups as soon as i can
[15:46] <humphreybc> probably on the plane to UDS
[15:48] <ubuntujenkins> any advanced users who have done packaging before?
[15:48] <ubuntujenkins> I can package simple stuff but this is hard
[15:50] <epkugelmass> humphreybc: emails sent to the owners of the RU and ES teams. I'll forward their responses to our mailing list.
[15:51] <humphreybc> awesome, thanks
[15:51] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: is the omg ubuntu podcast out?
[15:51] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: nope, we've decided to scrap this release
[15:52] <humphreybc> we're recording a new one, will be out next tuesday
[15:52] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough
[15:52] <humphreybc> we didn't want to release a shit podcast (shit audio quality, the content was great) right on release week with a heap of new readers coming to the site
[15:53] <ubuntujenkins> makes sense
[15:54] <popey> if only all podcasters did that :)
[15:55] <humphreybc> popey: heh
[16:00] <ubuntujenkins> arrrgh all the packages that we need exists but I can't make the sources to put them in a ppa. currently they are all in different places . ( we haev to make one custom one)
[16:10] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, hi, i took a new branch as u suggested
[16:10] <ubuntujenkins> hello hemanth
[16:11] <hemanth> hi ubuntujenkins
[16:12] <daker> humphreybc, help !!
[16:12] <daker> daker@ubuntu:~/Projects/ubuntu-manual-website$ bzr push lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[16:12] <daker> bzr: ERROR: These branches have diverged.  See "bzr help diverged-branches" for more information.
[16:12] <humphreybc> bzr merge
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> no daker
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> don't do it
[16:13] <daker> oki
[16:13] <humphreybc> oh wait
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> daker: bzr uncommit
[16:13] <humphreybc> that's the website branch aint it
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> then pull
[16:13] <humphreybc> do what Luke said :)
[16:13] <ubuntujenkins> much cleaner way :)
[16:14] <daker> ah someone has done a push
[16:14] <ubuntujenkins> I think that may be ilya
[16:14] <nisshh> HOLY SHIT! has anyone tried out the new midori browser?
[16:15] <nisshh> its extremely fast at loading pages!!!!
[16:15] <nisshh> im talking faster than chromium!!
[16:15] <humphreybc> bopwnope
[16:15] <daker> nisshh, me
[16:15] <daker> really faster
[16:15] <nisshh> daker: is it fast for you too?
[16:16] <daker> yes
[16:16] <nisshh> its INSANE!
[16:16] <daker> use less cpu than FF
[16:16] <nisshh> even has its own adblocker built in
[16:16] <nisshh> daker: waaaay less!
[16:17] <daker> http://manpages.ubuntu.com/
[16:17] <daker> new look
[16:17] <humphreybc> how do I get midori?
[16:17] <humphreybc> oh wait it's on omg
[16:17] <humphreybc> we posted it :P
[16:17] <daker> sudo apt-get install midori
[16:17] <nisshh> humphreybc: try it out!
[16:17] <humphreybc> installing now
[16:18] <nisshh> the adblocker works ok too
[16:19] <humphreybc> woah
[16:19] <humphreybc> that is fast
[16:20] <nisshh> it also starts up just as fast as chromium
[16:20] <nisshh> meh ok the adblocking isnt perfect
[16:21] <nisshh> humphreybc: good eh?
[16:21] <humphreybc> how do I bookmark something?
[16:21] <daker> gmail.com doesn't work (with the 2.0 options)
[16:21] <daker> tells that i need to upgrade my browser
[16:22] <daker> humphreybc, http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[16:22] <daker> check out
[16:22] <humphreybc> in chrome it's not working :)
[16:22] <daker> what ?
[16:22] <humphreybc> and in midori it's overlapping the Features text :)
[16:22] <nisshh> daker: works great in chromium!
[16:23]  * humphreybc is screenshotting
[16:23] <daker> humphreybc, clear the cache
[16:23] <humphreybc> oh
[16:23] <humphreybc> d'oh
[16:23] <nisshh> humphreybc: your right it looks shit in midori
[16:23] <humphreybc> overlaps the features text in midori
[16:23] <nisshh> yea
[16:24] <daker> oki
[16:24] <nisshh> is it just me or does midoris icon look like safaris but green?
[16:25] <nisshh> humphreybc: bookmarks work fine in midori 0.2.2
[16:25] <humphreybc> midori is nice
[16:25] <humphreybc> but annoying in some ways
[16:25] <humphreybc> think i'll stick with chrome for now
[16:26] <nisshh> tell me about it
[16:26] <nisshh> missing craploads of stuff
[16:27] <humphreybc> it's fast
[16:27] <nisshh> im gonna keep an eye on it though
[16:27] <humphreybc> and the GTK implementation is nice
[16:27] <humphreybc> but no right click on bookmarks in the bar?
[16:27] <humphreybc> and the tabs are too thick
[16:27] <humphreybc> also, it doesn't seem to load favicons
[16:27] <nisshh> and the dark grey tab bar? yuck!
[16:27] <humphreybc> but yeah, promising
[16:27] <humphreybc> maybe default in Ubuntu 10.10 :P
[16:28] <nisshh> humphreybc: pfffft!
[16:28] <nisshh> :)
[16:28] <nisshh> your so funny!
[16:28] <humphreybc> I have my money that Firefox is going
[16:28] <nisshh> in favour of what?
[16:29] <humphreybc> Midori or Chromium
[16:29] <nisshh> do you think?
[16:29] <nisshh> maybe
[16:29] <humphreybc> just my hunch
[16:29] <nisshh> if midori, itll be a while
[16:29] <humphreybc> and hey, I'm going to UDS so I can push Midori :P
[16:29] <nisshh> and if chromium its too cutting edge
[16:29] <nisshh> lol, yea right!
[16:29] <humphreybc> no reason why Ubuntu can't fork either Chromium or Midori
[16:29] <humphreybc> Wouldn't take much to patch up Midori somewhat, make it a bit better
[16:30] <nisshh> yea
[16:30] <humphreybc> or to just freeze a stable version of Chromium and rename it
[16:30] <nisshh> it being simple and all
[16:30] <vish> humphreybc: expecting a Haka dance from you at the start ;p
[16:30] <humphreybc> vish: oh god
[16:30] <humphreybc> hey when do you arrive?
[16:30] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea gotta see that!
[16:31] <vish> humphreybc: on the 9th 8am ;)
[16:31] <humphreybc> vish: nice. Will you be at reception to greet me? I get in at about midday on the 9th
[16:31] <vish> humphreybc: no idea where i'd be at that time..
[16:32] <humphreybc> vish: in reception to greet me, do'h!
[16:32] <vish> pff!
[16:32] <nisshh> hehe
[16:33] <vish> ah righty.. its official.. #ubuntu-release-party has gone bonkers! 1100+ folks there o.0
[16:33] <nisshh> vish: gotta see that!
[16:33] <vish> hehe humphreybc got kicked ;p
[16:33] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: got kicked :)
[16:34] <humphreybc> I got kicked?
[16:34] <humphreybc> hahaha
[16:34] <humphreybc> really?
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> yep language
[16:34] <humphreybc> wholy moly batman?
[16:34] <humphreybc> who kicked me? :P
[16:34] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: ikonia
[16:34] <vish> humphreybc: * ikonia has kicked humphreybc from #ubuntu-release-party (control your language)
[16:34] <sebsebseb> the ops have been kicking a lot of people though
[16:34] <humphreybc> haha
[16:34] <humphreybc> i'm gonna ask him about it
[16:34] <sebsebseb> mainly when giving out fake links for Lucid
[16:35] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: did you see my message there?
[16:35] <sebsebseb> maybe not
[16:35] <nisshh> sebsebseb: lol!
[16:35] <sebsebseb> since you got kicked so soon after woulds
[16:35] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: also isn't it quite early for you?
[16:35] <humphreybc> lol
[16:35] <epkugelmass> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/570765
[16:35] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems" [Critical,Fix committed]
[16:35] <humphreybc> I only have 50,000 karma, maybe that's not enough
[16:35] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: yeah, 3:30am
[16:35] <epkugelmass> Good job to everyone working hard to fix the issue. The fix was released, the ISO was built and it's even syncing with the mirrors as we speak. I'm disappointed by the release management team though, I have my doubts on the amount of testing that was done on this... just a few hours between the release of Ubiquity 2.2.24 and the decision to put the ISO in the sync pool. Once again it looks like regression testing is bei
[16:36] <epkugelmass> quoted from the bug
[16:36] <nisshh> not even midnight for me yet
[16:36] <epkugelmass> quoted from the bug!
[16:36] <epkugelmass> it's coming soon
[16:36] <nisshh> awesome
[16:36] <sebsebseb> [16:33] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yep a lot of Ubuntu fan boys here, and your a major one yourself lol
[16:36] <nisshh> thatll make the windows dopes happy
[16:37] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: you stayed up I hope, not got up earlyish to find out if Lucid is released?
[16:37] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: nah, i'll go to bed soon
[16:37] <humphreybc> I know what Lucid is like, i'm running it lol
[16:37] <humphreybc> I wrote the book on it?
[16:37] <humphreybc> :P
[16:37] <sebsebseb> got to love some of the fan boys though in #ubuntu-release-party
[16:37] <sebsebseb> I mean the stuff they say
[16:38]  * ubuntujenkins may be getting some where with these laytex packages
[16:38] <sebsebseb> well some will be fan girls, anyway
[16:38] <sebsebseb> here's a good one from earlier :)
[16:39] <sebsebseb> 16:18] <Traveler> i woke up this morning like it was christmas
[16:39] <sebsebseb> [16:18] <Traveler> and then santa didnt bring any presents
[16:39] <nisshh> lol that is good
[16:39] <daker> humphreybc, http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[16:39] <ubuntujenkins> i don't see all the fuss i have had it for ages
[16:39] <humphreybc> heh
[16:40] <nisshh> same, had it, seen it.
[16:40] <sebsebseb> nisshh: indeed
[16:40] <ubuntujenkins> we all had to write on it so we had to use it :-)
[16:40] <nisshh> woopdefrigging-do!
[16:40] <humphreybc> that looks good!
[16:40] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: yea!
[16:42] <nisshh> im going to search for funny threads about lucid on UF!
[16:42] <ubuntujenkins> how many books purchased so far?
[16:43] <jrib> yep, it's quieter here
[16:43] <gotunandan> humphreybc: what is the plan for the 10.10 manual ?
[16:44] <ubuntujenkins> jrib: not as busy as last night but fairly noisy
[16:46] <ubuntujenkins> gotunandan: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/announcing-getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-10-quickshot-v1-0-and-the-ubuntu-quickstart-booklet/ is all the palsn for the next release
[16:47] <nisshh> lol, guy on UF: "I bet they can't get that damn Lynx out it's cage"
[16:47] <humphreybc> I got kicked again!
[16:47] <ubuntujenkins> lol what for? I don't have it open
[16:48] <humphreybc> trying to get people to download the daily build
[16:48] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: tut tut it does say you will get kicked for that
[16:48] <nisshh> hehe
[16:48] <ubuntujenkins> :P
[16:48]  * humphreybc didn't read that
[16:49]  * nisshh laughs his face off!
[16:49] <humphreybc> oh, now i'm banned
[16:49] <nisshh> humphreybc: yea you get that when your being a pest on another channel...
[16:49] <humphreybc> hahahaha
[16:49] <humphreybc> I bet you the guy who banned me doesn't have 50,000 karma
[16:49] <humphreybc> yeah, that's right
[16:49] <humphreybc> burn
[16:50] <nisshh> ooooh ouch!
[16:50] <humphreybc> hahaha
[16:50] <nisshh> wanna see something really cool?
[16:50] <humphreybc> sure
[16:50] <nisshh> ok hang on
[16:51] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: jono actsually suggested people got a recent RC and then upgrade to final later on
[16:51] <sebsebseb> I saw his tweet or whatever, in another channel, last night / this morning
[16:51] <nisshh> humphreybc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB0JodKgZ0A&feature=related
[16:51] <humphreybc> yeah
[16:51] <nisshh> extreme!
[16:51] <humphreybc> http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-10.04-desktop-edition
[16:51] <humphreybc> the release is pretty close
[16:51] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I mean RC download updates, and then wait untill final, since it won't change much between the RC and the final
[16:52] <sebsebseb> however I guess most of the people he has on  twitter or whatever,  are experienced users anyway
[16:52] <humphreybc> I have no idea why people wait
[16:52] <humphreybc> it's open source
[16:52] <sebsebseb> telling the newbies to get a recent one, and then upgrade, is still a bit hrm,  even though it probably won't do any harm.  except that Grub issue may be in there?
[16:52] <humphreybc> the code is always available in the form of daily builds
[16:53] <humphreybc> it's not like Apple where it's all secret right up till the time it's released
[16:53] <nisshh> noobs are scared of RC's and beta's
[16:53] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah, but things are buggy untill the final
[16:53] <sebsebseb> or  just before the final anyway
[16:53] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: not at all for an LTS
[16:53] <humphreybc> i've been running lucid since alpha and it's been fine
[16:53] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: altough most deveopment versions work quite well really
[16:53] <ubuntujenkins> ditto
[16:53] <ubuntujenkins> to humphreybc
[16:53] <humphreybc> it's just karmic + other shit during development
[16:53] <nisshh> iv run lucid since alpha 3 too its been great
[16:53] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I have been virtual machine testing it since alpha 1.  I did mess up one of those vm's
[16:53] <sebsebseb> then I did a daily
[16:53] <humphreybc> it's a rolling release, they don't write the code from scratch each time
[16:53]  * ubuntujenkins kicks humphreybc (bad langauge) :P
[16:54] <sebsebseb> ,but I have done all the isues since alpha 1  in a new vm.  all the alpha iso's, the betas, and the rc
[16:54] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: haha! we're allowed to swear in here :)
[16:54] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: uhmmm not quite sure about that
[16:54] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: my channel :)
[16:54] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah, but
[16:54] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: why? we could have people of all ages for all we know
[16:54] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: it follows the Ubuntu rules?
[16:54] <humphreybc> true
[16:54] <nisshh> the only bug i got hit by was that gnome-panel one back in beta 1
[16:55] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: i know everyone in here can handle the odd swear word, we're not babies :)
[16:55] <sebsebseb> well it's swear
[16:55] <nisshh> waaaa!
[16:55] <sebsebseb> warn
[16:55] <sebsebseb> continue swearing al ot
[16:55] <sebsebseb> kick
[16:55] <nisshh> now you cant swear!
[16:55] <sebsebseb> in #ubuntu
[16:55] <humphreybc> I wonder if manualbot has an entry for swearing
[16:55] <sebsebseb> come back and do it soon after the kick, and you will probably get banned
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: somthing to think about as we get bigger
[16:55] <humphreybc> !language
[16:55] <manualbot> Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
[16:55] <humphreybc> ah ha!
[16:55] <humphreybc> we should change that
[16:55] <humphreybc> :P
[16:55]  * ubuntujenkins is being boring ;)
[16:56] <sebsebseb> well I think that's how the swearing rules is for Ubuntu,  but I am not an op there, unlike jrib
[16:56] <humphreybc> sometimes, you know, you just have to swear
[16:56] <ubuntujenkins> I think its ubuntu conduct not to swear
[16:56] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: yes which is what I was saying
[16:56] <nisshh> humphreybc: i agree!
[16:56] <humphreybc> the worst I say is shit
[16:56] <humphreybc> which i happen to say quite a lot
[16:56]  * humphreybc says it on the podcast a lot
[16:57]  * nisshh knows that!
[16:57] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: apparantly that one isn't always a swear word in Ubuntu channels
[16:57] <sebsebseb> or something like that
[16:57] <humphreybc> I try to avoid dropping the f bomb though
[16:57] <nisshh> yea, thats a baddy
[16:57] <gotunandan> humphreybc: which podcast ? the omg!ubuntu! ?
[16:57] <humphreybc> site's looking great daker
[16:58] <nisshh> not good to say on irc
[16:58] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: anyway it has been decided that 10.04, will get released, when you go to bed  :D  so get to bed already so the newbies, can overload the servers
[16:58] <sebsebseb> heh
[16:58] <humphreybc> gotunandan: yup, and interviews
[16:58] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: hahahaha!
[16:58] <daker> humphreybc, yes
[16:58] <nisshh> sebsebseb: yea!
[16:58] <humphreybc> daker: how hard is it to have a rollover when you roll over the star? i can create a rollover image for you if you want
[16:58] <humphreybc> would only take 2 secs
[16:59] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: anyway as for development versions well yeah
[16:59] <sebsebseb> test in development
[16:59] <sebsebseb> and then by the  time the final is out, already bored of that release
[16:59] <daker> humphreybc, oki
[16:59] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: that's what it is like for me
[16:59] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: haha i'm a bit the same
[16:59] <humphreybc> i'm excited for maverick now
[16:59]  * ubuntujenkins can't decide if to upgrade to maverick now
[16:59] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I was disapointed that had to wait untill it was December 10th for alpha 1 of Lucid, and then it was rather much like Karmic as expected, untill uhmmm alpha 3 or whatever it was
[16:59] <nisshh> 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1....HAPPY DAY AFTER LUCID RELEASE DAY!
[17:00] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: maverick doesn't exist yet?
[17:00] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I am glad I was only vm testing this time round also :)
[17:00] <humphreybc> :P
[17:00] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: however that was since I put a distro that I much prefer to Ubuntu these days on here, instead :)
[17:00] <sebsebseb> for my useage
[17:00] <ubuntujenkins> ok then when it starts humphreybc
[17:00] <sebsebseb> I don't want social features,  rubbish top panel Gnome edits,  Ubuntu One, or the music store
[17:00] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: will probably start next week
[17:00] <sebsebseb> for my own useage
[17:00] <humphreybc> I know David has to have his design proposals for Maverick done by tomorrow
[17:01] <daker> humphreybc, what , what design ?
[17:01] <humphreybc> daker: proposed new designs for maverick
[17:01]  * nisshh is off to watch a movie, he will be back later...
[17:01] <humphreybc> the design team mock up some stuff and bring it along to UDS
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> bye nisshh
[17:02] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah
[17:02] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: your going to Belgium?
[17:02] <sebsebseb> for UDS aren't you
[17:02] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: im not leaving silly!
[17:02] <daker> humphreybc, for our website ? or for the OS ?
[17:02] <nisshh> im sitting in the channel!
[17:02] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: have a good movie then :P
[17:02] <nisshh> hehe cheers!
[17:03] <humphreybc> the design team mock up some stuff and bring them along to UDS
[17:03] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: yep
[17:03] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: First time to Europe?
[17:03] <sebsebseb> not that much goes on in Belgium really
[17:03] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: indeed it is
[17:03] <sebsebseb> altough the European Commission is there as well
[17:03] <humphreybc> lots of beer drinking
[17:04] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: how will you handle the cold summer heh heh
[17:04] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: well compared to New Zeland it will be
[17:04] <sebsebseb> I guess
[17:04] <humphreybc> daker: this should do the trick, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/star-rollover.png
[17:04] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: it'll be warmer in Brussels than it is where I live in May
[17:04] <sebsebseb> oh
[17:04] <sebsebseb> well yes
[17:04] <sebsebseb> since winter in New Zeland then
[17:05] <humphreybc> daker: it should be a slightly lighter colour
[17:05] <humphreybc> in theory
[17:05] <ubuntujenkins> 18524 downloads
[17:06] <ubuntujenkins> 713.83 an hour
[17:06] <humphreybc> wow
[17:06] <humphreybc> reckon we'll get to 100,000 by UDS?
[17:06] <humphreybc> it's in 10 days
[17:07] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: look forward to another interview on omgubuntu by the way,   also love that Ubuntu fan boy and girl site really.   good blog posts,   and loads of newbie fan boys and such replying :D  as a expereinced Desktop Linux user,  I find some of the comments funny or something.  When they like express their love for Ubuntu :D
[17:07] <humphreybc> haah
[17:08] <daker> humphreybc, is there any podcast ?
[17:08] <humphreybc> daker: not yet
[17:08] <humphreybc> next week
[17:08] <humphreybc> ubuntu.com is going to change any minute now
[17:08] <humphreybc> btw
[17:09]  * humphreybc preps the omgubuntu post
[17:16] <daker> humphreybc, could you make it as one image (the star and hover)
[17:16] <humphreybc> how can I make it one image?
[17:16] <daker> both in one image
[17:16] <daker> one under one
[17:16] <humphreybc> ?
[17:16] <humphreybc> in a png?
[17:16] <humphreybc> like overlapping?
[17:17] <daker> no no forgot about it
[17:17] <daker> :)
[17:17] <humphreybc> lol
[17:17] <humphreybc> sorry
[17:17]  * humphreybc is just waiting now
[17:19] <hemanth> humphreybc, omgubuntu is using which cms?
[17:19] <humphreybc> hemanth: blogger
[17:19] <hemanth> humphreybc, wow! ok
[17:19]  * hemanth now noticed the blogger icon 
[17:20]  * humphreybc loves knowing people inside Canonical
[17:24] <vish> humphreybc: its actually more fun keeping that to yourself ;)
[17:25] <vish> rather meant themselves*
[17:25] <humphreybc> vish: :P
[17:27] <hemanth> people search on people.canonical ? ;)
[17:28] <humphreybc> hemanth: hahaha, not quite
[17:29] <hemanth> humphreybc, RE on ~[a-z]+ ;)
[17:30] <humphreybc> maybe when i get my IRC ubuntu member cloak I won't get banned all the time
[17:30] <daker> hhh
[17:32] <hemanth> :)
[17:33] <daker> http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[17:48] <humphreybc> looks good daker
[17:49] <ChrisWoollard> Evening.
[17:49] <humphreybc> Hey Chris
[17:49] <ChrisWoollard> How well has the manual been received?
[17:50] <humphreybc> only a few downloads
[17:50] <humphreybc> 20,000 in fact
[17:50] <humphreybc> you know, just a few
[17:51] <ChrisWoollard> That is great
[17:53] <humphreybc> ha ha!
[17:53] <humphreybc> http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=ubuntu-release-party
[17:53] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: can we get project cloaks
[17:54] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: ha! i don't think so
[17:54] <ubuntujenkins> you can do them freenode says so
[17:54] <humphreybc> really?
[17:54] <ubuntujenkins> I read it somewhere
[17:55] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#gcrequest
[17:55] <humphreybc> cough
[17:55] <humphreybc> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[17:55] <ChrisWoollard> Is the manual on the iso?
[17:55] <humphreybc> nope
[17:55] <ChrisWoollard> that channel is really busy
[17:56] <humphreybc> indeed
[17:56] <humphreybc> full of people asking "is it ready yet?" and posting spam
[18:00] <epkugelmass> can someone help me find out why i'm +b from #ubuntu-release-party?
[18:00] <humphreybc> epkugelmass: banned?
[18:01] <epkugelmass> mhm
[18:01] <humphreybc> probably coz you linked to the download before it's been announced?
[18:01] <humphreybc> not sure
[18:01] <humphreybc> meh
[18:01] <ChrisWoollard> I believe the channal has also been muted
[18:02] <epkugelmass> humphreybc: didn't do anything. i logged out, and when i logged back in i was banned
[18:07] <IlyaHaykinson> ooh, what do you know! lucid is out ;)
[18:10] <IlyaHaykinson> hm, i don't think i like the "Buy the book!" star. Maybe "Get a printed copy!" star would be better -- the star right now makes it seem like the only version is the one you have to buy.
[18:13] <epkugelmass> agrred
[18:13] <epkugelmass> agreed*
[18:20] <humphreybc> FFS
[18:47] <daker> http://www.ubuntu.com/
[18:48] <daker> lucid is Out
[18:53] <ubuntujenkins> daker: I don't have humphreybc's design skills but if i send you some text/content for the quickshot website in a few days (3-5) will that be ok for you to make a start?
[18:53] <humphreybc> are we making a dedicated quickshot website
[18:53] <humphreybc> ?
[18:53] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot.ubuntu-manaul.org
[18:54] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I may send you the content to proof read. I would like to put some devloper info on there about the project
[18:54] <daker> ubuntujenkins, sure
[18:55] <ubuntujenkins> thanks daker, i will get thinking on what pages i would like
[18:59] <humphreybc> kay
[18:59] <humphreybc> i'll do a tonne of design on the plane to UDS
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[19:15] <daker> humphreybc, http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.ubuntu-manual.org
[19:15] <ubuntujenkins> we have a hit from VA (Holy See (Vatican City State)) :
[19:16] <humphreybc> hahahaha
[19:16] <humphreybc> daker:
[19:16] <humphreybc> we should stick ads on the site :P
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> daker: why are there Backlinks 427 ?
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins> sorry read it as blank not back
[19:20] <daker> 19270 downloads
[19:21] <ubuntujenkins> I make it 20873 using both stats pages
[19:21] <humphreybc> yup
[19:22] <humphreybc> "Ubuntu 10" is sitting at number four in twitter trends
[19:25] <dutchie> yay, released
[19:26]  * humphreybc is going to bed
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> night humphreybc
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> hello dutchie
[19:27] <hemanth> o/
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> hello again hemanth
[19:28] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, ha ha was waving humphreybc as he said he is going to bed
[19:28] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, did a  sudo update-manager -d ?
[19:28] <humphreybc> if we don't have 30,000 downloads of the manual by the time I wake up i'm gonna be so annoyed :P
[19:29] <humphreybc> the weird thing is that the downloads don't seem to be dropping off
[19:29] <humphreybc> they're actually INCREASING in rate
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: nope I just keep updating
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: i thought they were droping a bit
[19:29] <humphreybc> not really
[19:29] <humphreybc> http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[19:29] <humphreybc> look at the graph
[19:29] <hemanth> humphreybc, you will have a sleepless night :0)
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> on it now
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> wow it is increasing
[19:29] <humphreybc> we're only halfway through this hour and the bar for the hour is almost up to the max for last hour
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> more people are posting it etc
[19:30] <humphreybc> yeah
[19:30] <dutchie> christ, 20,000 downloads
[19:31] <humphreybc> dutchie: uh, yeah
[19:31] <humphreybc> crazy huh
[19:31] <humphreybc> i had no idea it'd be this much
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: the server crashed in 2 minutes of release
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> well "timed out"
[19:31] <dutchie> impressive
[19:31] <dutchie> or not ;0
[19:31] <ubuntujenkins> we had to mirror it like crazy
[19:31] <humphreybc> it was a CPU load thing
[19:31] <humphreybc> yeah
[19:31] <humphreybc> dutchie: where were you anyway!?
[19:31] <dutchie> in bed :(
[19:32] <ubuntujenkins> it was crazy \o/
[19:32] <daker> yeah
[19:32] <ubuntujenkins> I only got 5 hours sleep before this morning
[19:34] <daker> where are you the bug form ?
[19:34] <daker> dutchie,
[19:34] <humphreybc> 1 million downloads by the end of may?
[19:34] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: hmm we will have to see
[19:34] <daker> yes
[19:36] <dutchie> daker: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual-website/ubuntu-manual-website/bug-form
[19:37] <humphreybc> dutchie: is the bug form finished already?
[19:37] <ChrisWoollard> I wonder how many hits you would get if you got a link on www.ubuntu.com
[19:38] <humphreybc> ChrisWoollard: probably quite a few, that's the aim for Maverick
[19:38] <humphreybc> we're apparently going to become a "top level" project if we prove ourselves after this release
[19:38] <dutchie> humphreybc: no
[19:38] <dutchie> humphreybc: not far off
[19:38] <humphreybc> dutchie: lol, if it was i would be very impressed
[19:38] <humphreybc> when can we get it on the site, dutchie, daker?
[19:39] <dutchie> when it's ready
[19:39] <dutchie> week? 2 weeks?
[19:39] <humphreybc> okay good
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: what do we have to do to "prove" our selves.
[19:39] <humphreybc> one week would be good :)
[19:39] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: prove that we can put out more than one release :P
[19:39] <humphreybc> a lot of projects do one release then die
[19:39] <ubuntujenkins> are i see
[19:40] <ChrisWoollard> does that mean the 2nd edition
[19:40] <humphreybc> ChrisWoollard: yeah, probably
[19:40] <humphreybc> we'll hype that up too
[19:43] <ChrisWoollard> How long do you think it will be before the alternate languages will be available?
[19:43] <ChrisWoollard> Obviously the ones finished
[19:43] <dutchie> stupid lack of battery
[19:43] <humphreybc> We're aiming for the finished ones to be out in a couple of weeks, so English UK, Galician, German and possibly Spanish
[19:43] <dutchie> may disappear in 45 minutes or so
[19:43] <humphreybc> all depends whether we can get some editors from the translating teams
[19:44] <humphreybc> ChrisWoollard: would you like to work with godbyk to edit the UK manual?
[19:44] <ChrisWoollard> I would be happy to.
[19:44] <humphreybc> okay, when he wakes up, have a chat to him
[19:44] <humphreybc> :)
[19:44] <humphreybc> hopefully we'll get some translations out soon, coz that's one of our biggest selling points
[19:44] <ChrisWoollard> I just don't know how to do that yet.
[19:45] <ChrisWoollard> That is also an amazing achievment t have it available in multiple languages
[19:45] <humphreybc> coz it's mainly in english, he'll probably do all the latex formatting and just clarify any spellings with you
[19:45] <humphreybc> (i say "mainly" i mean all)
[19:46] <humphreybc> coz godbyk's american
[19:46] <humphreybc> yeah, we need more translators tho!
[19:46] <humphreybc> :D
[19:46] <humphreybc> http://www.engadget.com/
[19:46] <ChrisWoollard> I am fairly sure the spellings are pretty much ok.
[19:47] <humphreybc> great
[19:47] <humphreybc> you won't have much to do then :P
[19:47] <ChrisWoollard> I already did a search for everything i could think of
[19:48] <humphreybc> awesome
[19:48] <ChrisWoollard> but will still help with whatever
[19:48] <humphreybc> okay
[19:48] <humphreybc> i'm off to bed
[19:48] <humphreybc> night all
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> night humphreybc
[19:49] <sebsebseb> heh I am trying to get a not so technical woman to download the Ubuntu Manual
[20:44] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: ping
[20:46] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: pong
[20:46] <ubuntujenkins> where/what is manaulbot run on? concidering a quickshot bot
[20:47] <dutchie> supybot running on my vps
[20:47] <dutchie> !bot
[20:47] <manualbot> Hi! I'm #ubuntu-manual's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[20:47] <dutchie> !clone
[20:47] <manualbot> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « aptitude  --display-format '%p' search '?installed!?automatic' > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo xargs aptitude --schedule-only install < my-packages ; sudo aptitude install » - See also !automate
[20:47] <dutchie> !botclone
[20:47] <manualbot> Ubottu uses supybot, which is available in the main !repositories, with additional plugins that are available at http://ubottu.com/clone.html
[20:48] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie I had seen the bit pages. just need to think of factoids.
[20:48] <ubuntujenkins> *bot
[20:50] <andrew> [topic probably should be updated re: meeting]
[20:50] <ubuntujenkins> I think i will tackle it after i have packaged lytex
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> !topic
[20:52] <manualbot> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> hmm how do i see the topic?
[20:52] <andrew> ubuntujenkins: /t or /topic
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> thanks andrew I leave irc on for so long
[20:53] <dutchie> happy?
[20:57] <godbyk> I'm alive again.
[20:57] <godbyk> How are things going?
[20:57] <ubuntujenkins> hello godbyk over 20000 downloads
[20:57] <daker> 20498 hits
[20:57] <godbyk> awesome!
[20:59] <daker> http://www.ubuntu-manual.org
[21:00] <daker> godbyk, see lulu star
[21:01] <godbyk> daker: nice!  and you miraculously managed to get it placed just where humpreybc wanted it.  I'm impressed!
[21:01] <daker> :)
[21:02] <godbyk> It looks like there have been 16 copies of the book sold now.
[21:02] <daker> WWwwwOWWw
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> wow daker the star looks good there
[21:05] <hemanth> godbyk, got response for tex devl, he says its ok if it skips it must find an alternative by itself, but that doesn't seem to happen, giving it another shot and the ppa i found in LP has no tlmgr, so the script in pkgs bombs
[21:06] <godbyk> hemanth: okay, let me know how it goes.
[21:06] <godbyk> hemanth: yeah, they don't package tlmgr in the repositories because they want you to install everything via their repository.
[21:06] <hemanth> godbyk, okies, now its 1507/2071
[21:06] <ubuntujenkins> I am working on the packaging i need to talk to godbyk on it today i have also mailed the list
[21:07] <godbyk> hemanth: if everything we needed were available in the repository (and installed on your system), the install-pkgs.sh script will tell you that everything's there and you're good to go.
[21:07] <hemanth> Well, the Debian packages of TeXLive do not ship tlmgr.
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> I know
[21:07] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: you might be interested in the tldistro list I saw yesterday: http://tug.org/texlive/lists.html
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: thanks i have mailed the debian devs for the tex packages
[21:09] <hemanth> lucid has Package: texlive (2009-7) but not tlmgr
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: your install script can we go through what it does? I think i know.
[21:10] <godbyk> I think I'm going to have to give up on replying to OMG commenters. :)
[21:10] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: sure!
[21:19] <daker> ubuntujenkins, ImportError: No module named hivelib
[21:19] <daker> how do i install hivelib
[21:19] <daker> ?
[21:23] <daker> godbyk, no idea ?
[21:24] <godbyk> sorry.. on the phone.
[21:24] <ubuntujenkins> sorry daker also on the phone will look soon
[21:24] <daker> hhhh
[21:48] <c7p> hello, how many downloads do we have till now?
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> 22000
[21:49] <c7p> wow
[21:49] <c7p> plus the 3,000 of the softpedia (?)
[21:51] <daker> c7p, http://stats.ubuntu-manual.org/downloads/?id=8
[21:51] <daker> => Traffic source
[21:52] <c7p> oh nice, ty
[21:54] <c7p> ah, daker, I corrected some very bad translations, could you update the greek translations on site?
[21:54] <daker> sure
[21:55] <c7p> ok thank you :)
[22:34]  * ubuntujenkins is off the phone
[22:34]  * godbyk is too
[22:35] <godbyk> daker: what is it that requires hivelib?  something for the website, I presume?
[22:37] <daker> no :D
[22:37] <daker> forgot it
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> i can't find much on it's appears to be a weird package
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> you get it from a website
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> sebsebseb: pluging the manual in #ubuntu :-) i like it
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> !manual
[22:39] <manualbot> Factoid 'manual' not found
[22:39] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: !!!
[22:39] <daker> ubuntujenkins, https://launchpad.net/beeseek-bot
[22:40] <dutchie> uhoh
[22:40] <dutchie> teach it one
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> i don't know how
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> please tell me i would like to know this is the #ubuntu one
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[22:41] <ubuntujenkins> not that we need it here but its cool does #ubuntu-uk have it?
[22:41] <dutchie> hmm
[22:42] <dutchie> I've forgotten how to operate the bot
[22:42] <popey> heh
[22:42] <popey> loser! :)
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> ubuntu-uk has it
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> yey!!
[22:42] <c7p> doh
[22:43] <c7p> the type:comment string, are marked for removal ?
[22:43] <c7p> strings*
[22:44] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: heh I tried to
[22:44] <sebsebseb> and yes I will
[22:45] <godbyk> c7p: If that refers to text inside the \begin{comment} ... \end{comment} lines, then you can leave that text as-is.  It doesn't actually appear in the manual.  It's just an internal comment.
[22:45] <dutchie> !manual
[22:45] <manualbot> The Ubuntu Manual will help you become familiar with everyday tasks such as surfing the web, listening to music and scanning documents. With an emphasis on easy to follow instructions, it is suitable for all levels of experience. http://ubuntu-manual.org/
[22:45]  * ubuntujenkins needs to work out how to make highlighting of the word "manual" work for all but this channel
[22:46] <c7p> godbyk, for example check this string https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubuntu-manual/el/458/+translate
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie
[22:46]  * ubuntujenkins thinks of a quickshot one but doesn't have a link to use
[22:46] <godbyk> c7p: Yes, you can ignore that.
[22:47] <godbyk> I haven't had time to figure out how to convince po4a to leave the comments out of the translation template yet.
[22:47] <c7p> ah ok
[22:48] <daker> godbyk, can you update the website pot file in the manual branch ?
[22:48] <daker> put it in daker-test/includes/languages
[22:49] <daker> pull it form lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[22:49] <godbyk> daker: sure. give me just a couple minutes
[22:50] <daker> take your time
[22:50] <daker> c7p, the string will be up n few minutes
[22:50] <daker> the strings*
[22:50] <c7p> very nice :)
[22:51] <godbyk> If anyone wants to order a copy of the book on Lulu, you can try the coupon code FREESHIP for free shipping (at least in the US for their normal US mail rate).
[22:52]  * daker doesn't have a credit card :s
[22:53] <sebsebseb> ubuntujenkins: got the word manual on highlight or something? How did you know?
[22:54] <ubuntujenkins> sebsebseb: I do haev the word manaul on highlight i gives a lot off hits from this channel which can be anoying
[22:54] <sebsebseb> heh
[22:54] <sebsebseb> yeah I done it before
[22:54] <sebsebseb> put words on high light
[22:54] <sebsebseb> and then in Ubuntu...
[22:54] <sebsebseb> and the amount of high lights I got was annoying
[22:55] <ubuntujenkins> I put Ubuntu-manaul on but got loads fro "ubuntu"
[22:55] <godbyk> daker: You can also use paypal if that's available to you.
[22:56] <daker> i don't think so :s
[22:57] <godbyk> daker: I've updated the pot file for you.
[22:57] <godbyk> brb.. going to find something to eat.
[22:57] <daker> thanks
[22:58] <ubuntujenkins> I think FREESHIP makes the manaul 5.17 in the uk
[23:00] <godbyk> Nice.  It saved me $4 in shipping fees.
[23:01] <godbyk> So my total cost was < $10 for the shipped manual.
[23:04] <c7p> night all
[23:11] <ubuntujenkins> yep £5.17 fo the uk with that code book: £2.18 shipping £2.99 great price
[23:14]  * ubuntujenkins is off to bed night all o/
[23:14] <dutchie> night
[23:21] <godbyk> 21,000 downloads in the first 24 hours.  Not bad, guys.
[23:51] <popey> good work