=== nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [00:43] Trying to update a package in my PPA with a new upstream release and I'm getting "uupdate: a native Debian package cannot take upstream updates" [00:43] what did I do wrong? [00:59] hi [00:59] daftykins: whats the stable release of FF on 9.04 ? [01:00] whats the stable release of FF on 9.04 ? [01:01] kaushal: see packages.ubuntu.com [01:07] virtuald: where exactly [01:07] http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/ [01:07] i dont see browser section there [01:09] below the "browse" list on the front page there's a search box [01:09] it's in network anyway [01:10] or maybe not === arand_ is now known as arand === yofel_ is now known as yofel === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk === ScottK changed the topic of #ubuntu-motu to: Lucid frozen for release - lucid-proposed is open - get to work on SRUs! | Want to get involved with the MOTU? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Contributing | Sponsor queue: http://is.gd/2y76G | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/ftbfs | http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS | http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ | latest rebuild failures: http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi [03:25] * ajmitch hopes maverick will be open soon :) [03:27] ajmitch: 6th... ages away... [03:27] it is a long time [03:29] It will be open when it's ready. What's on the schedule is an estimate of when that will be. [03:29] evening ScottK [03:29] Heya imbrandon. Congratulations. [03:29] ScottK: ty ty [03:30] actually my main reason for wanting it open is to make sure that SRUs pushed to -proposed do get into maverick, unless there's a plan to copy from lucid-proposed to there [03:32] i dunno if it would copy from proposed, but -updates and and -security it does, so it might [03:34] usual SRU procedure is to fix in the development release first, I probably won't have enough fixes to land to end up forgetting them in maverick [03:34] RAOF: what do you think of putting a wrapper around gnome-shell for mozjs so we don't have to rebuild gjs every time xulrunner is updated? [03:36] wow i got to stop watching the -party , its exausting to say the least [03:36] imbrandon: yeah, quite a time-waster [03:38] hum so if i backport apt-mirror i would have to do a source-change backport ... the new packaging for lucid isnt backwords compatable even thgough the program is ... :( [03:39] rats [03:43] imbrandon: Install ubumirror. [03:44] jpds: for ? [03:45] IIRC the last time around, pitti copied packages from -proposed to lucid. === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away [03:46] jpds: apt-mirror is alot more flexable than ubumirror , plus i'm kinda upstream for apt-mirror ;) but in either case dosent help the backport issue [03:52] micahg: That's not a bad plan. Ideally it'd be ported to seed, which uses an actual javascript library, with an honest-to-goodness SONAME :). [03:53] RAOF: k, but until then, would you like me to make a wrapper proposal for an SRU? [03:54] micahg: Maybe not - I think our current state is not having to rebuild gnome-shell, just libgjs, right? [03:54] RAOF: right, but to avoid rebuilding gjs, we have to put a wrapper around what uses mozjs, right? [03:55] RAOF: the workaround is to use a wrapper with LD_LIBRARY_PATH set [03:55] Is it easy to set the right LD_LIBRARY_PATH across xulrunner upgrades? [03:56] I take it that xulrunner doesn't really believe in this binary compatibility thing? [03:56] Are we likely to have any xulrunner upgrades? [03:56] RAOF: yes :), every month [03:56] ajmitch: no :) [03:57] ajmitch: Correct. mozjs is an aggressively internal library. [03:57] RAOF: yes, setting LD_LIBRARY_PATH with a wrapper is easy [03:58] There's a nice pkg-config file, isn't there. [03:59] RAOF: there is, but I use xulrunner-1.9.2 --gre-version to decide which dir to use [04:00] If we're going to have monthly bumps of the xulrunner nano version, then I support an SRU for gjs and gnome-shell to strip the rpath and introduce wrapper scripts. [04:00] RAOF: k, I'll work on it once I finish my current stuff [04:01] next update is May 13 [04:01] hopefully, I can have an SRU ready before then [04:03] RAOF: what's going on? [04:03] Bah. ctrl-w is not the same as super-w [04:04] may we laugh quietly? [04:04] You may laugh uproriously for all I care. Particularly after I accidentally hit ctrl-w to tile my windows… [04:05] you should use "emacs" keybindings :p === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [04:07] * micahg suggests conkeror :) [04:08] virtuald: we dont have enough fingers for emacs keybindings ;) [04:10] gnome calls it emacs keybindings but it's more like readline keybindings [04:11] http://kb.mozillazine.org/Emacs_Keybindings_%28Firefox%29 [04:14] Intriguing. I now have two #ubuntu-motu tabs open, one of which is completely empty, and closing it closes the useful one. [04:14] RAOF: you have broken the internet [04:14] I'm good at that. [04:15] RAOF: which client? [04:17] Smuxi. [04:17] * micahg never heard of it, using Pidgin :) [04:18] im client for irc, never was my cup-o-tea [04:19] irssi + screen ( occasionaly quasail or gnome-xchat via irssi-proxy ) ftw [04:20] smuxi is like irssi+screen, but GUI. It's quite nice. [04:29] RAOF: but irssi+screen can use any gui you like :( [04:30] imbrandon: As long as it's a console interface? :) === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [04:30] RAOF: no i use the gnome-xchat interface all the time for it [04:31] It's also an irc proxy? Nifty. [04:31] * RAOF didn't know that, obviously. [04:31] RAOF: yes it has a proxy built in [04:33] i just connect to my irssi on my linode server instead of freenode with the gui client ;) [04:33] or i ssh in to the linode server and load up the screen session, what ever i'm in the mood for [04:34] ( or more times than not, both via diffrent computers ) [04:34] * ajmitch usually just uses irssi+screen [04:35] irssi has a very usable interface. [04:35] yea i'd say 80% of the time i got the ssh+irssi route, but i still use the gui for times like when i'm coding so i can get libnotify messages [04:39] somone posted on planet howto get local libnotify messages form irssi+screen via ssh a while back ( a year or two ago ) but i never implmented it, i might go back and look for it [04:39] might be useful [04:39] imbrandon: Just install quassel and quit worrying. [04:40] ScottK: hehe i have it installed , and gnome-xchat on mylaptop ;) [04:43] why can hardy-backports not have debhelper 7.0.50 installed :( makes me a sad panda [04:46] it's --with out it? [04:49] huh [04:50] imbrandon: No inherent reason. We backported debhelper once before. No reason we couldn't again. [04:56] ScottK: it would make my life MUCH easier, is there alot of rdepends and stuff to check , it seems it would have alot of room for breakage since most all packages depend on it at build time [04:56] if not, lets do it :) [04:57] imbrandon: But only stuff in backports, so it's ~safe. [04:57] then all these packages that use the new quilt 30 format can be backported without change [04:57] well assuming that would be the only change [04:57] imbrandon: No. That needs a new dpkg too. [04:57] That I won't backport. [04:57] oh sh*t really ? [04:57] damn [04:57] Switching those back isn't very hard. [04:58] Actually Soyuz won't allow it anyway [04:58] true, i just dident wanna bother if i dident have to, but i guess i will [04:59] Figure out what version of debhelper you want and then maybe do a test rebuild of a sampling of the packages currently in hardy-backports. [04:59] well if it needs dpkg too, then there is little point [04:59] but sure [05:01] imbrandon: I know all the main mozilla stuff is stuck using debhelper 6 conventions until hardy is EOL for Desktop [05:03] * micahg can't wait to move everything to use all the fancy stuff in Lucid debhelper [05:03] :) [05:03] it cuts the rules files in half usually or more (less to maintain) [05:03] * ajmitch can't wait until lucid is EOL & we have something new & shiny [05:04] ajmitch: lucid isn't out yet and you can't wait for it to be EOL? [05:04] micahg: sure, 5 years+1 day from now, things will hopefully be quite different [05:04] * micahg wondering what comes after light [05:05] Go back and work on packages on Dapper and then see how far we've come. It's got another year yet. [05:05] hahaha exactly [05:05] * ajmitch won't try & predict when ubuntu may be like in 5 years time [05:06] ScottK: I guess that's one of the advantages of working with desktop packages ;) [05:06] ScottK: some packages in lucid are still at the same version they were in dapper [05:06] ok so if i do packageing only changes to the version thats in lucid for hardy-backports ( on up for all the supported versions ) what do i version them ? [05:06] ajmitch: It will have no options at all, just one big button to click. [05:06] in 5 years, OEMs will still be screwing up audio hardware. Hooray? [05:06] ScottK: you must be talking about gnome [05:06] ajmitch: Yes. [05:06] crimsun: realist [05:06] ScottK: 0.4.7-0ubuntu1~backport1 ? [05:07] imbrandon: Where backport is the release, yes. [05:07] ScottK: yea $dist-backport is the release [05:07] ohh you mean 0.4.7-0ubuntu1~hardy1 [05:08] and such [05:08] kk [05:08] it should actually work out, given how release names progress these days [05:09] * ajmitch was only just in the last couple of days cleaning up some stuff left over from breezy development [05:10] It's funny, sometimes I feel like the new guy here and sometimes it seems like I've been here forever. [05:10] yeah [05:10] ScottK: heh yea exactly the same boat [05:10] * ajmitch feels the same way at times [05:11] only been a MOTU for a bit over 5 years now [05:11] i think back i am like damn i rember breezys release, then i rember that was nearly 5 years ago [05:11] then i'm like WOW, i'm old hahhahahaha [05:11] I remember discussing how MOTU could use malone with bradb at UDU [05:11] since everyone else was using bugzilla still [05:11] :) [05:12] just a tad before me [05:12] * ajmitch remembers fondly the days of bugzilla with its 1MB JS file containing all the package names, loaded over HTTPS [05:12] no caching, just pain [05:13] * imbrandon came around about midway through breezy dev cycle iirc [05:13] I remember that bugzilla. Man, launchpad has become much, much more awesome. [05:13] RAOF: it's a lot less painful to use than it used to be [05:14] If your claim to fame is > bugzilla, that's not much of a claim. [05:14] lol [05:14] ScottK: I never said LP was great, just less painful than it was [05:14] imbrandon: Next year, I will have been a DD for 10 years. [05:14] Well, I still see a lot of bugzilla instances :) [05:14] StevenK: you're old [05:14] ajmitch: Shush. [05:14] StevenK: wow, i dunno if to say sorry or congrats, lol , j/k gratz man [05:15] I don't think anyone else has to be old as long as I'm around. [05:15] moko excepted. [05:15] :) [05:15] ScottK: a pity that phil charles hasn't worked on ubuntu [05:15] he's probably one of the older DDs that I know of [05:16] * StevenK is waiting for ScottK to get "upgraded" from old to ancient. [05:16] it is nice to look back at all of this and as much as we hate it sometimes and as much as we love it mostly to say we had a hand in some of it , be it small or big, kinda cool imho === mdomsch is now known as mdomsch_zZzZ [05:17] you know there is one DD i wanna really meet someday , just from reading him on the planet, makes me wanna scrounge the money for debconf this year, is joey hess, dunno why really, just cuz [05:17] Joey is an awesome guy [05:17] yea he seems so [05:17] * ajmitch needs to find out how to get the mouse working again in X without restarting X - x2x seems to have given it issues [05:18] imbrandon: I met him at Debconf 5 [05:19] i really should go this year too, one of the few years its in the US and would be cheaper for me to go [05:19] * ajmitch hasn't been to it yet [05:20] me either, i came really close to going to what #7 i thinkl, the one in mexico [05:20] 7 or 8 [05:20] had funds and plans and such, but something else came up [05:21] i still vote for a UDS and/or ubucon in KC, dead middle of the US :) [05:22] might as well have one in NZ [05:22] that way everyone has to fly a long way [05:22] watch as soon as i take a job somewhere else ( just interviewed for a game company in vegas ) it will come to KC , LOL [05:23] ajmitch: Bandwidth is better in KC. [05:23] lol [05:23] Get Sprint to host it. [05:23] very true, all the fiber in the contry converges here, AND we're about to get a google fiber node [05:23] woot [05:24] i bet sprint really would host it too actualy thinking about it [05:24] i guess there is some things good about being in the middle , litterly [05:25] just sucks for me most of the time cuz i see all the cool tech stuff happening on the coasts and drool [05:25] ajmitch: we'd saturate NZ's internet. [05:25] :P [05:26] all 56k of it , lol j/k [05:26] The entire global infra of the world is about to saturate. [05:27] hahahah yea, in less than 24 hours [05:27] imbrandon: Wow, when did NZ get upgraded to 56k? [05:28] StevenK: they are bonding 2 14.4 lines + overhead [05:28] :) [05:28] err thats still not right [05:28] * imbrandon facepalms [05:28] 28k8? [05:28] yea [05:28] lol [05:28] imbrandon: Fail [05:29] i know, i was like ooh good joke, then realized what i typed and was like ugh, fail again [05:29] So it was a good joke, just not the one you planned. [05:29] :) [05:30] * ajmitch wishes he got those sort of speeds [05:30] heh seriously , what kinda connection do you normaly have to the greater globe ? [05:31] like 512k-ish at least ? [05:31] ( you not the country ) [05:31] lol [05:31] nominally 16Mbps at the DSL modem [05:31] that dosent seem bad, better than mine [05:32] * StevenK is currently on 64/64 3.5GHz crap [05:32] Fetched 531MB in 17min 57s (493kB/s) [05:32] that was fetching from nz.a.u.c earlier [05:32] ajmitch: ISP? [05:32] * wgrant is throttled to 64kbps at the moment :( [05:32] lifeless: snap.net.nz [05:32] not terrible, thats about what i get to us.a.u.c [05:32] wgrant: too many lp branches? [05:32] wgrant: ouch [05:33] imbrandon: us.a.u.c is London though. [05:33] wgrant: Same, but this connection is much worse. [05:33] lifeless: really ? heh [05:33] Although on the 1st we move from our current 10Mbps 12/24 to a new 20Mbps 85/85, so I can't complain too much. [05:33] last I heard, yes. [05:33] wow [05:33] lifeless: you still sorting out an ISP? [05:33] ajmitch: with telecom at this rental property [05:34] ajmitch: works okish but similarly shitty actual throughput [05:34] ajmitch: and the nasty intercepting cache too [05:34] imbrandon: Nobody wants to take on the full US load, apparently. [05:34] yeah [05:34] wgrant: nobody *can* [05:34] i have an advertised 10Mbs dn and 1Mbs up , but i rarely actualy get that [05:34] lifeless: Canonical can! :P [05:35] hopefully we'll have mirror syncing sorted for M [05:35] lifeless: are you going to be staying where you are for awhile? [05:35] ajmitch: 4 months [05:35] they could use a cdn or something , but that would be $$ [05:35] probably not worth switching to another ISP then [05:35] ajmitch: will sort stuff out in detail for next place [05:35] ajmitch: yeah, totally not worth it. Unless I get too pissed off :P [05:35] heh [05:36] you'll be staying in christchurch after the 4 months is up? [05:36] speaking of ajmitch you ping / round trip to the blizzard servers must suck in NZ [05:36] imbrandon: umm, yes [05:36] wow, never thought of that, sucks [05:37] ajmitch: probably, approximately. [05:37] iirc there is only US and EU servers too [05:40] it's a shame I didn't get around to cleaning up some of the zope/plone packages from lucid, I see they're even gone from debian now [05:48] I got some of them, but didn't get through them all. [05:53] http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=wmi-client [05:53] yeah I saw that zope2.10 was gone, but zope-plone3 remains. No big deal [05:53] wmi-client is in Hardy and Intrepid, and not in any later versions. Why is that? [05:53] I use the ‘winexe’ app out of that package all the time, and it’s really annoying not having it in the latest Ubuntu. [05:55] bug 359637 [05:55] Launchpad bug 359637 in wmi "Please remove wmi source and wmi-client, python-wmi binaries from jaunty" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/359637 [05:56] ajmitch: Is it there source and binary or just source? [05:56] ScottK: looks to be source+binary of zope-plone3, BUT it's listed on nz2.archive.ubuntu.com, which may be out of date [05:56] That’s funny. I’m running python 2.6 and it installs fine. [05:56] I can’t remember whether I needed to patch it or not. [05:57] ajmitch: Because I thought i got that removed. [05:57] ScottK: you probably did, and the info I've got is most likely outdated :) [05:57] There is currently no replacement packaged. [05:58] jayvee: if you can prove its still maintained upstream and builds installs and works as intened then it can get added, but it dosent follow those creteria per debian and ubuntu checks [06:02] right, okayu [06:13] man i sooooo want this, but not for $40k USD http://www.novelquest.com/emperor_200.html === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away [06:45] good morning [06:45] moins dholbach [06:45] hey imbrandon [06:45] morning dholbach :) [06:45] any ham radio operator here ? [06:49] piju: i would try #ubuntu-hams , ther is a whole community of them === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [06:49] piju: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-hams [06:50] imbrandon; yes. you can see im listed [06:50] Packaging Training: Fixing small bugs in Ubuntu: in 10 minutes in #ubuntu-classroom - http://is.gd/bLixO [06:51] imbrandon; im calling any ham radio to join #ubuntu-hams [07:07] is the debian BTS being problematic for anyone else? [07:12] /ws 27 [07:26] nigelbabu: :) [07:26] Ciemon: irssi and I are learning to get along well [07:27] I was smiling at your tweet [07:27] you've started using irssi? I have a google wave with some useful scripts n things if you want to get colours and split windows and things going [07:28] oh, and you get a mention in the podcast this week, along with dholbach [07:28] oh wow, which one is that? [07:28] dholbach: you're famous! :) [07:29] Ciemon: what? where? when? [07:29] http://podcast.ubuntu-uk.org/ [07:30] it's a long one this time, but you guys get a mention in the Debian Ubuntu relationship seg [07:30] Ciemon: my tweet, if you're in #ubuntu-release-party you'll understand about it ;) [07:31] Ciemon: ahah, I was about to come to folks to give a little bit of ad to patch day ;) [07:31] nice [07:32] nigelbabu: I did mention that as part of my intro to the seg.. but not with enough clarity. It's something we should do better [07:33] Ciemon: maybe next time you can talk about the outcome of patch day and how awesome it was! :D [07:35] Yeah, that's a good idea, we're always trying new things, "devs-bit" could be a new part where we talk about such things. Feel free to /msg me whenever you want something mentioning [07:36] sure :) [07:40] Ciemon: yea dev-bits would be good ;) [07:40] devs-bit* === traveller_ is now known as traveller [08:25] good morning [08:27] hi [09:06] off to sleep, gnight all [09:35] * Rhonda sighs at all the impatient people denting and tweeting about lucid not there yet. :/ [09:36] release madness :) [09:36] Rhonda: same thing every release :) [09:36] Rhonda: thanks for the tip about the other sdl patch on the BTS [09:36] You're more than welcome. :) [09:37] After all if it hinders fixing it for wesnoth, I'm with my users. ;) [09:37] heh [09:39] uff, I need to get some time to fix the virtualbox addons package [09:39] it will break vm upgrades for some people [09:40] joaopinto: how badly? [09:40] ajmitch, if you use the shared folders facility it will give an error on boot and will fail to mount the shared folder [09:40] * ajmitch has lucid in a VM & didn't see too many issues, except when it didn't play nice with one of the kernels [09:40] ah, I only started using the shared folders recently [09:40] because the vmwaresf kernel module is loaded after mountall [09:40] ops [09:41] * ajmitch is just upgrading his desktop to lucid now [09:41] vboxsf [09:41] I really do need a faster desktop box === noodles785 is now known as noodles775 === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away === nobawk|away is now known as nobawk [13:05] Hey all - is there a way to package an .sh file into a .deb? [13:05] Just write either a Makefile or the install target in debian/rules by hand. [13:06] And drop the .sh extension from the installed script, it's discouraged for files in /usr/bin and the likes. [13:07] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/School/PackagingWithoutCompiling is a transcript of a MOTU School session with a somewhat silly example case. === mdomsch_zZzZ is now known as mdomsch [13:07] anyone got a sever with fast access to lp api that I could use for sometime? [13:07] ajmitch: Just to get things straight: I can leave the sdl debdiff generation to you? Would be truly appreciated. :) [13:07] Rhonda: sure, I've got the day off tomorrow [13:08] Cheers :) [13:08] * Rhonda hugs ajmitch [13:08] MunkyJunky: The t-prot package is actually just a script (with some configuration files and manpage) and the debian/rules shouldn't be too complicated. :) [13:09] Rhonda: Cheers. Little confusing though, never done packaging before! [13:09] One time is the first time for everyone. :) === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === DreamThi1f is now known as DreamThief [14:13] is there a ubuntu live cd that includes packages from multiverse (I'm interestend in brother-*)? alternatively, is there a list of packages installed on the ubuntu live-cds? [14:16] carstenh: check the manifest for the ISO of your choice on cdimages.ubuntu.com [14:16] sounds good, thanks :) === mathiaz_ is now known as mathiaz [15:59] \sh: ping [15:59] How frequently is sponsor queue page updated? [15:59] dholbach: ^^ [15:59] slytherin: it shows the "last updated" at the bottom [15:59] <\sh> micahg, pong [15:59] and I think it's all every 10 minutes [16:00] slytherin: but I could imagine that launchpad for obvious reasons is a bit slow right now [16:00] \sh: I was wondering, since it'll be about a week before we can upload to maverick, if you want to package the latest ZF update and push to people.ubuntu.com, I can push to the PPA the backports [16:00] dholbach: The last I checked it few days ago, it was showing a bug which has been fixed for over two weeks. What could be reason? [16:01] <\sh> micahg, no..let's wait until maverick is open... [16:01] <\sh> it's not that critical ;) [16:01] \sh: k, I just know how anxious some people are for their zf crack [16:01] slytherin: lazr.restfulclient.errors.HTTPError: HTTP Error 503: Service Unavailable [16:02] hmm [16:02] slytherin: I'll find out what's happening, although it's a bit hard right now [16:02] with the is-it-out-yet masses out there :) [16:02] yes, right now the page does not load at all. [16:02] <\sh> micahg, I just need to add more crack to it ;) there is still an open issue on lp for it [16:02] \sh: k, no pressure, I can wait :) [16:03] * slytherin is tempted to ask the 'question'. :-) [16:03] slytherin: I'll dive into it as soon as the dust settles somewhat [16:03] <\sh> micahg, let us just relax...:) well you should...I have too much work @office ;) [16:03] slytherin: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/thread.html [16:03] slytherin: if this page doesn't say "it's out", it's not out :) [16:03] ha ha [17:08] I incorrectly created a native package when I meant to create a non-native package... where can I learn how to change that? [17:12] this happens when your .orig.tar.{gz,bz2} is wrongly named [17:14] or when you don't have an orig.tar.{gz,bz2} [17:16] project_version.orig.tar{gz,bz2} [17:16] stevecrozz: Just put the .orig.tar.{gz,bz2} there and build again. .bz2 though is only supported in source version 3.0 [17:17] thanks everyone, I'm going to try that [17:26] Rhonda: that appears to do something, but it apparently runs dpkg-source after the build and then fails because the binaries it already build aren't in the orig.tar.gz [17:28] What did you call? [17:28] debuild [17:29] it looks like maybe that happened because debian/rules was issuing the build in clean: [17:29] which seems wrong [17:30] Sounds like. :) === nobawk is now known as nobawk|away [17:31] Rhonda: do you have a sec to help me with some lintian warnings? [17:31] W: uwsgi source: diff-contains-substvars debian/substvars [17:37] stevecrozz: That should get cleaned by the debian/rules clean target. [17:37] stevecrozz: See output of "lintian -i" which should give extended description. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [17:44] crap, I forgot today is lucid release day, i wonder how long its going to take for launchpad to build out these PPA packages [17:46] stevecrozz, presumably, a long time [17:48] yeah, it claims 23 hours at this point [17:48] yeah, ~23 hours for i386, 5 days for amd64 ;) [17:55] is amd64 done with the archive test rebuild? if there are still jobs from it, they are low-scored, so normal PPA uploads come first [18:31] hey motus thanks for all the hard work during this release! [18:48] great job all on a great release!! thanks ScottK ajmitch StevenK dholbach persia geser and the MANY MANY MANY others that make MOTU flow [18:50] * slytherin is sad that MOTU team will fade away soon. [18:51] slytherin: Why would it fade away? [18:52] persia: With the concept of components being removed I thought team will go away. [18:52] Not at all, it's just transforming. [18:53] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/LucidMOTU has the new componentless description. [18:53] Essnetially, instead of being responsible for "universe", MOTU will be responsible for taking care of the many packages that have no dedicated team. [18:54] slytherin: yea its just a semantics change, very little will actualy change, basicly imho its like MOTU is becomming collab-maint and everything is in "main" [18:54] that's nice [18:54] thus packages without a direct maintainer or team will be unter MOTU [18:54] under* [18:55] Right. It's just a semantic adjustment because components are going away. Team does the same stuff. [18:57] persia: btw, now that I remember and you are nearby :) - should ppu rights make me a part of ~ubuntu-dev ? [18:58] kklimonda: Yes, it should. [19:02] kklimonda: I suspect it has something to do with load, but I can't stay logged into launchpad right now. [19:02] If you're not a member by this weekend, bug me about it, and I'll sort you. [19:03] right, launchpad has slowed down after release was whas been announced ;) [19:04] ok, it's time for me to get some sleep - the last sentence didn't make much sense.. [19:05] kklimonda: Before you go: do you happen to know a good doc I could use to make transmission-daemon mirror the Ubuntu torrents I have? [19:05] my amd64 ppa package is scheduled ahead of its i386 counterpart [19:06] stevecrozz: You might want to ask in #launchpad [19:06] stevecrozz: there's nothing wrong with that [19:07] yeah, its not really a question, just an observation [19:10] persia: do you mean a general documentation for daemon or something specific ? [19:10] stevecrozz: The scheduling depends on the load the PPA build daemons have. [19:10] Just a quick-start guide. I have ~20 torrents that I'd like to seed, and don't torrent much. [19:12] afaik just start the torrent, point it at the directory with your ubuntu torrents, let it scan, find that it's 100%, and then start seeding? [19:14] hyperair: Do you know how to do that with transmission-daemon? I've no GUI, and no desire to have ~20 separate screen instances for transmissioncli [19:14] persia: no idea. i use deluge. [19:14] persia: just open one CLI client, and let deluged do its job after adding all the torrents.. [19:15] but that's deluge. [19:15] hyperair: duluge has a CLI client? [19:15] persia: sure it does. deluge -u console [19:15] transmission ftw! [19:15] deluge ftw! [19:16] But that's in the deluge package, and I'm not installing that stack of dependencies on my server! [19:16] okay sebner you tell persia what to do =p [19:16] * sebner only uses GUI [19:16] * sebner is a GUI fanboy [19:16] * sebner is a GUI fanboy [19:16] * sebner is a GUI fanboy [19:16] persia: er what? [19:16] deluge-console: /usr/bin/deluge-console [19:16] deluge: /usr/bin/deluge [19:17] so it's just deluge-console and deluged [19:17] it seems deluge -u console is an artifact of the past, and i'm outdated. [19:17] * persia isn't that happy about installing boost and twisted, but tries it. [19:17] ugh, lost connection.. sorry about that [19:18] heheh [19:18] persia: Let me try on my machine and I will tell you. [19:18] persia: you can just run transmission-daemon -t -u user -v password -w /path/to/downloaded/files [19:19] persia: http://github.com/fagga/transmission-remote-cli <-- this screenshot says you can have multiple torrents open in one transmissioncli instance? [19:19] persia: and then add torrents either by using a web gui or transmission-remote [19:20] kklimonda: That won't interfere with the transmission-daemon started by the system? [19:20] persia: http://trac.transmissionbt.com/wiki/HeadlessUsage you can read more here. [19:20] The web gui and transmission-remte both failed for me. Never mind. Sleep well :) [19:20] Thanks. That looks helpful. [19:21] persia: the system deamon is a scary thing and has two ugly bugs in lucid that have to be fixed with updates :/ [19:21] Ah. That explains why it didn't work for me :) [19:23] persia: you can use it but (1) you have to edit /var/lib/transmission-daemon/info/settings.json and not /etc/transmission-daemon/settings.json and (2) change rpc-enabled to true in settings.json - then you could dump iso files in /var/lib/transmission-daemon/downloads/, change their owner to debian-transmission and use transmission-remote or webgui.. pretty easy, right? ;) [19:23]