[00:03] <chrisccoulson> time to get the party hats out in a few hours
[00:04] <micahg> chrisccoulson: you have an LWN subscription?
[00:04] <chrisccoulson> i don't, how come?
[00:05] <chrisccoulson> i probably should get one
[00:05] <micahg> oh, they published a paid article, Ubuntu members are entitled to a free paid account
[00:05] <micahg> chrisccoulson: http://lwn.net/Articles/384828/
[00:06] <cwillu_at_work> micahg, you should be able to give out links to those though
[00:06] <micahg> cwillu_at_work: yeah, I could
[00:06]  * cwillu_at_work gives micahg puppydog eyes
[00:06] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll give  you a link in PM if you want
[00:09] <chrisccoulson> micahg, that would be good :)
[00:23] <kaushal> hi
[00:23] <kaushal> can i use the mozilla build firefox for ubuntu in production ?
[00:23] <micahg> kaushal: ?
[00:24] <micahg> kaushal: are you asking which of our builds are for production?
[00:37] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is it ok if I create/push thunderbird-stable tonight with thunderbird, thunderbird-locales, and enigmail based on the Lucid packages?
[01:19] <chrisccoulson> ccheney, epiphany working without crashing now :)
[01:19] <chrisccoulson> got lots of compiler warnings and glib runtime warnings to clean up now though
[01:19] <chrisccoulson> but it's looking good
[02:04] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: yipee! :)
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> i've got most of the runtime warnings cleaned up now
[02:04] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: i don't know if you looked at the other packages yet but some of them might could be cleaned up a bit better esp with some of the bits you dropped
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i noticed there were some gtk changes
[02:04] <chrisccoulson> i'd like to try and avoid those
[02:05] <ccheney> yea
[02:05] <ccheney> iirc there were a few glib and gtk changes both, not sure if all of them can be dropped/changed so we don't need them directly in those packages or not
[02:06] <chrisccoulson> the GDK_BLANK_CURSOR addition in gtk can go now, as i've worked around that in epiphany (and it actually would need more changes in gtk to work correctly - it was the cause of one of the crashes)
[02:06] <ccheney> oh ok
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> and the addition of GTK_IMAGE_GICON can probably go as well, as i'm going to remove all the bits of that gtom EphyGtkEntry (epiphany doesn't use the GIcon images anyway)
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> s/gtom/gicon/
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> don't know what i was typing there ;)
[02:07] <ccheney> ok
[02:07] <ccheney> sounds like it should be much cleaner patch now :)
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> anyway, i'll carry on with that tomorrow. sleep time now :)
[02:07] <ccheney> have a good night
[02:07] <chrisccoulson> thanks, you too
[07:07] <fta2> Processor	Builders	Queue
[07:07] <fta2> amd64	3	 2903 jobs (five days)
[07:07] <fta2> oh my! :(
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey huckle barry
[11:13] <asac> fta2: does that mean that they will fix those and make linux stable?
[11:13] <asac> or just move on because its too tough
[12:43] <fta2> asac, we could expect a stable for linux in ~ a month, based on m5
[12:44] <asac> fta2: cool. thats very good news
[12:44] <fta2> but it will be the same release model as the beta i'm currently tracking
[12:49] <asac> fta2: right. but at least we can then garther data/experience on how stable maintenance really is
[12:50] <asac> e.g. we can track real security updates ... and see how we can update them and see how bad regressions are etc.
[12:54] <fta2> asac, well, it's done by the same people, so it will be exactly the same
[12:55] <asac> fta2: could be. but its easier to explain to everyone once we have data from stable
[12:55] <asac> and we actively track for security updates etc.
[12:55] <asac> but you are right. its probably the same
[12:58] <asac> fta2: what was the bash/sh option again to echo all commands run?
[12:58] <fta2> set -x
[12:58] <fta2> from inside the script
[12:58] <fta2> or sh -x script (from the outside)
[12:58] <asac> fta2: is that inherited for subscripts?
[12:58] <asac> fta2: whats the difference to -v ?
[12:59] <fta2> never used -v, it seems it just echoes the script
[12:59] <asac> yeah
[12:59] <asac> fta2: so can i make -x to be inherited easily?
[12:59] <asac> or can i set that as an env somehow? (so it gets inherited)
[12:59] <asac> ?
[13:00] <fta2> it should be inherited
[13:00] <fta2> use set +x to disable it (if you just want to debug parts of a script)
[13:01] <asac> fta2: i want it inherited ... cool
[13:01] <asac> let me try that
[13:01] <asac> fta2: set -e -x
[13:01] <asac> that ok too?
[13:01] <asac> or do i need  seceond line
[13:01]  * asac just tries ;)
[13:01] <fta2> i'd say you need two lines
[13:01] <asac> workd
[13:01] <asac> works
[13:02] <asac> hmm. let me check if -e is still honoured
[13:02] <fta2> but bash may be more permissive (it's certainly not portable though)
[13:02] <asac> yep
[13:02] <asac> ok i make a second line then
[13:03] <asac> ok seems its not inherited
[13:03] <asac> but i found a functions.sh that is sources everywhere
[13:03] <asac> so i will just set it there
[13:04] <asac> wow. thats a hell lot of output ;)
[13:04] <asac> but i guess i will figure where a file is removed
[13:18] <asac>   /win27
[15:34] <asac> chrisccoulson: can you try to run make buildsymbols on a built firefox tree next time?
[17:41] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, i can do that
[17:42] <chrisccoulson> asac - do we not have proper debug symbols then?
[17:55] <fta> amd64	3	 2935 jobs (five days)
[17:55] <fta> pfff
[18:15] <BUGabundo_remote> hahaahaha
[18:15] <BUGabundo_remote> 5 days!??!
[18:15] <BUGabundo_remote> LOL
[18:28] <BUGabundo_remote> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS released
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> \o/
 fta: yeah,all the DC machines get commandeered to push CDs out
[19:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I got the ok from RAOF to add a wrapper around gnome-shell until gjs is ported to seed and to remove rpath for seed, so I'll try to prepare the SRU before the next xulrunner release
[19:37] <micahg> *remove rpath from gjs :-/
[19:37] <chrisccoulson> micahg - thanks, i could have probably ok'd that though ;)
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> i don't think there's any plans to port gnome-shell to use seed
[19:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: he was maintaining so I thought I'd ask him
[19:38] <chrisccoulson> oh, ok, i didn't realise he was maintaining it
[19:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: idk maintaining, but did the last couple uploads
[19:40] <micahg> it would seem to benefit us if we can get gjs ported to seed so it's not a xul rdepend
[19:42] <fta> congrats for your work on lucid guys \o/
[19:43] <fta> i mean, thanks
[19:43] <chrisccoulson> micahg - seed is the webkit equivalent of gjs though, so it would be gnome-shell ported to seed rather than gjs being ported
[19:44] <micahg> chrisccoulson: oh? I didn't know that
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> but, the upstream gnome-shell developers don't have any interest in porting to seed
[19:44] <micahg> actually, I might have known that but I forgot
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> they don't seem to consider the xul dependency to be an issue
[19:44] <chrisccoulson> we should try to correct them ;)
[19:44] <micahg> I thoguht there was an option
[19:45] <chrisccoulson> gjs just provides a way to access gnome libraries when using spidermonkey, and seed does a similar thing when using webkit
[22:07] <BUGabundo> everning ppl of the intertubes! we came to conquer
[22:14] <asac> chrisccoulson: just want to see if it works
[22:14] <asac> chrisccoulson: e.g. run make buildsymbols
[22:14] <asac> on top of what ewe currently do
[22:14] <asac> at best we get -dbgsym still ... but also a .zip i nthe tree that we could check with launchpad folks how we can upload that to mozilla
[22:15] <asac> chrisccoulson: make a spec for that: use upstream crashdb for mozilla
[22:15] <asac> that was on our list for too long and now mozilla is ready for taking our debug symbols so we should try to get crashreporter enabled
[22:15] <asac> and the crash submission to launchpad disabled
[22:15] <asac> at least they have a real DB and not individual bugs for crashes ;)
[23:13] <chrisccoulson> hi asac, i will create a spec for that then, that would be good to get working
[23:14] <chrisccoulson> i won't be around tomorrow btw, i've taken some holiday tomorrow (long day travelling)
[23:16] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I have the upstream info for adding crash info if you want it
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, that would be useful
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> shall we talk about it at the start of next week? i shall be unavailable from this evening
[23:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: mozilla 447771
[23:17] <micahg> chrisccoulson: sure
[23:17] <chrisccoulson> excellent, thanks
[23:18] <asac> chrisccoulson: long day travelling?
[23:18] <asac> enjoy your trip ;)
[23:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: we need to submit a bug like mozilla 535947
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> asac - yeah, sadly i shall be driving for most of the day ;)
[23:18] <asac> hope the destination is worth the long travel :-P
[23:18] <micahg> chrisccoulson: enjoy your time off
[23:18] <chrisccoulson> i'm going to a wedding in scotland on saturday, and we are doing the travelling tomorrow
[23:19] <asac> bring a good scotch for me ;)
[23:19] <asac> or at least drink a good scotch for me :-P
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> heh ;)
[23:20] <chrisccoulson> i got my gf insured to drive the hire car, so i will be able to have a scotch ;)
[23:22] <asac> sounds like a plan then :)
[23:55] <micahg> the upgrade complaints have begun :)
[23:56] <BUGabundo> eheh
[23:56] <BUGabundo> took a while
[23:58] <micahg> BUGabundo: they were about an  hour ago
[23:58] <BUGabundo> any funny one?
[23:58] <BUGabundo> like asking for FF4 ?
[23:58] <micahg> BUGabundo: not yet :)
[23:59] <BUGabundo> ohh
[23:59] <micahg> just grumbling so far