[00:21] slangasek, I assume you will be asking superm1 for this http://www.mythbuntu.org/10.04/release [00:23] that page exists, just needs to be flipped to public when the time comes [00:26] (keep in mind that due to caching on the site, it requires a little bit of notice) [00:26] ah yea [00:26] that too [00:26] 15 minute cache [01:14] argh, finally got the last of the iscsi tests done. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [05:32] tgm4883: that's the url I'm looking for, yes. :) do I talk to you or superm1 about it when we're ready to go? [06:01] slangasek, probably ping us both, or Daviey one of us can flip it over [06:09] tgm4883: ok, thanks [07:25] good morning all! [11:03] tgm4883: hi, there's a last-minute decision to take a fix for bug #570765, which affects all desktop CDs except for kubuntu (i.e., anything that supports migration-assistant) [11:03] slangasek: Bug 570765 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/570765 is private [11:04] tgm4883: cjwatson has dropped a note to Daviey and superm1 already; each distro flavor has the option whether to take the current image or the pending one [11:05] * davmor2 quickly switches off his machine and strolls away nonchalantly in the knowledge he didn't just see that info [11:05] tgm4883: revalidating the pending one will most likely mean mythbuntu will not be ready to release by the time we push the release button for Ubuntu, whereas taking the current one as release leaves users with a pretty serious bug that they'll need the wisdom of the Internet to find their way out of - so neither is a great option, but it's the mythbuntu folks' choice to make [11:06] tgm4883: I realize you're probably not in a position to *make* this decision, so you may instead wish to focus on rallying resources to do the actual testing :) [11:07] slangasek: so you are going for a respin or are these iso's already up? [11:07] davmor2: not up yet [11:08] slangasek, mythbuntu is alternate, isn't it? [11:08] ara: mythbuntu is desktop-only; ubuntustudio is alternate-only [11:08] davmor2: ETA 1.5h for first images [11:08] slangasek, ah, ok, sorry [11:09] slangasek: so do you want a complete retest on the lives or just that m-a/auto-resize is functioning correctly? [11:11] slangasek, ara: I got my two releases out of the way yesterday so I'll have a bit of time I can throw your way [11:11] davmor2: we should have a complete retest if at all possible, but auto-resize is the priority [11:11] and if we can do that, we will probably be comfortable [11:12] cjwatson: okay so if we hit all the auto-resize and m-a tests first and then plod through the others and ensure they work on top then [11:14] (there is some debate about this line; for the time being assume that we'll need a complete retest) [11:14] (installation at any rate) [11:15] slangasek, cjwatson: I never hit that bug while doing my testing. Do you want me to focus in the rest of the tests and let people that hit the bug do the verification? [11:15] ara: that would be fine [11:15] ara: did you explicitly check? [11:16] I'm told it's not called out in the test plans right now [11:17] cjwatson, I'll double check with current ISOs, to see if I can reproduce [11:17] "Dooitze de Jong wrote 2 minutes ago: #44 [11:17] What about to release Ubuntu on 30th of April? [11:17] " [11:18] the suggestions... [11:18] bladernr: awake? :-) [11:18] cjwatson: I didn't have a look at m-a in the end I can run a quick test now if you want on hw rather than vm [11:20] have we explicitly tested that Kubuntu is unaffected by this bug? [11:20] the hypothesis is plausible, but I'd like to know that for sure [11:20] not that I've heard [11:21] can someone test the existing kubuntu ISO? [11:21] ev: have you? [11:21] I'll do it now for you [11:21] davmor2: thanks - can you reproduce the original bug? [11:21] we should make sure it's an apples-to-apples comparison [11:22] I hadn't but I didn't do any m-a/auto resize tests in FR [11:22] actually in some ways a VM test would be more certain since it would be possible to snapshot the original state and install each of Ubuntu and Kubuntu on top of the snapshot [11:23] I'm preparing an appropriate VM snapshot myself for another reason anyway so I can queue that up [11:24] ara: the suggestions that didn't bother reading all the comments before replying, more to the point :-/ [11:37] cjwatson: Right I'm running against xp and vista [11:52] kubuntu is showing up xp [11:53] cjwatson: boots into both okay [11:54] FTR I can't reproduce it either here [11:54] it's obviously a little more subtle than "happens to everyone" [11:54] trying to debug [11:55] cjwatson: do you want me to try a current ubuntu install against xp/vista too? [11:59] oh you installed kubuntu [11:59] ok, yes please try ubuntu against xp [12:01] cjwatson: no probs [12:18] cjwatson, reproduced here in a ubuntu - ubuntu configuration [12:20] current hypothesis is that it only happens if there's something to migrate [12:22] cjwatson, yes, it has only happened to me now that I migrated the bookmarks [12:23] cjwatson: I got stuff on both xp and vista, and ubuntu installing on both now with m-a enabled [12:24] and you had the relevant stuff there when installing kubuntu too? [12:25] cjwatson: yes but there is no m-a in kubuntu [12:25] cjwatson, reproduced again in HW (previous test was KVM) [12:26] davmor2: yes. what I'm trying to establish is that kubuntu does not suffer from this [12:26] cjwatson: yes kubuntu was fine [12:26] davmor2: the thing we need to establish this is that the bug is reproducible with ubuntu but not with kubuntu, while changing absolutely nothing else [12:26] ubuntu is running now [12:26] so if you reproduce it with ubuntu, then that should be sufficient to confirm that [12:27] cjwatson: should be [12:35] cjwatson: not showing up runing m-a [12:35] please expand [12:36] cjwatson: XP isn't showing up now that the m-a auto-resize has completed [12:37] ok, great [12:37] cjwatson: do you want me to try again this time skipping the m-a and see if it is m-a rather than auto-resize? [12:37] no, we've confirmed that here [12:37] cool [12:37] I can reproduce bug 570765 when there is something to migrate, and not when there isn't [12:37] Launchpad bug 570765 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[Lucid] no GRUB menu entry for other operating systems (affects: 6) (heat: 62)" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/570765 [12:38] how long for the new cd's [12:44] cjwatson: just as a confirmation, vista has no grub entry with m-a run either [12:44] so that is 32 and 64 bit's covered too [12:46] bbiab need to go do some stuff and then lunch. give us a ping when they are up I have 3 windows machines preped now waiting [12:50] I'm currently testing by way of 'sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' before starting the installer [12:50] in order to get a jump on it [12:51] looking ok so far [13:07] slangasek, netbook up, but timing out :( [13:07] oh good job, Internet [13:07] I am trying again [13:08] yes, perfect day for #ubuntu to be a trending topic in twitter [13:11] slangasek, weird, downloading the complete ISO works, but not using zsync [13:11] downloading it now (but hte complete one) [13:12] what about rsync? [13:12] also, we're doing a quick respin [13:12] of the ISO part only [13:12] it says LTS when it shouldn't [13:12] ok :) [13:16] Hi, I'm willing to help test if you can use an extra tester. I have a Dell D430 laptop and some blank CDs. Can test 32b or 64b. I don't want to format my whole drive but an make room for 20G or so. [13:16] Is that useful? I've never tested ISOs before. I've read the wiki page. [13:17] ok, new netbook posted [13:17] newz2000: never hurts, refer to iso.qa.ubuntu.com [13:18] * cjwatson is confirming the ubuntu vs. kubuntu distinction right now [13:31] confirmed that Kubuntu wasn't affected [13:31] phew [13:34] cjwatson, slangasek: what iso's are up now? [13:34] only ubuntu-netbook [13:34] ubuntu desktop will be up shortly [13:38] schwuk, ping [13:38] ara: hi [13:40] I'm getting network timeouts trying to sync netbook [13:41] Yeah, the server is apparently real busy ? [13:41] davmor2, me too [13:48] argh! slangasek if you want these testing we really need a connection :( [13:49] they're highly rsyncable, but I can't do much about the network [13:49] I guess you should talk to schwuk [13:49] slangasek, I already talked with davmor2 [13:49] ok [13:51] I'm downloading netbook using rsync and it's workign OK except the speed goes up and down. I'm at 93% with about 2min left [13:52] rsync speeds go up and down practically by definition, at least if you already had an older image [13:58] ubuntu desktop posted [14:02] ogasawara: I'm going to test manual partition install for desktop [14:03] oubiwann: cool, we're still getting them downloaded. we'll post here the tests we start tackling. [14:05] please mark whatever you're going to test on the tracker [14:07] * robbiew starting 64bit OEM Install [14:08] * charlie-tca starting 386 entire disk [14:08] how do you mark a test as started? [14:09] go to the same page where you'd enter the result for a test case, there's now an extra status that's "started" [14:09] why does the "Free Software Only" test case link to /Install/NetbookARM? [14:10] cjwatson: oh, weird, fixing that now :) [14:11] ara: ping [14:12] ara: was lp-integration.py fixed ? I notice quandong rebooted and so my screen session is gone, so I'm wondering if it got fixed or if I should start a new screen session with the script [14:13] cjwatson: fixed [14:14] thanks [14:18] is iso.qa.ubuntu.com down for anyone else? [14:19] ogasawara: no, but slow [14:21] we're starting the remaining Live Session and Install (auto resize) for Desktop i386 [14:22] also starting Install (entire disk) for Desktop amd64 [14:24] stgraber, it got fixed by is [14:26] ok, well, I'm having hardware probs or somethign and I'm not able to successfully test. [14:29] apw: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/20100429/MD5SUMS [14:29] ara: Is there something specific I can test? [14:30] bdmurray: I think we're pretty well saturated on the images that are currently ready, but xubuntu/mythbuntu desktop and edubuntu/ubuntu DVD are pending [14:31] bdmurray: so if you don't already have those mirrored and want to get a base downloaded for rsyncing, that's probably the best use of your bandwidth right now [14:31] for me, even resyncing a couple of MBs is being a pain :( [14:33] Mine is only 12 minutes for 200MB [14:41] slangasek, cjwatson : I've got une at 78% of the install using m-a [14:42] * slangasek nods [14:42] oh wow the iso tracker is really slow [14:43] db@quandong:~$ uptime 14:43:25 up 3 days, 6:22, 1 user, load average: 13.90, 40.20, 38.64 [14:44] perhaps I'll be posting the next ISOs via the db :P [14:44] slangasek, heheh [14:45] I don't see any specific process taking all of the CPU though the load is now up to 60. Might be some IOWAIT, might be worth poking someone from IS. [14:45] slangasek: royal mail might be faster :D [14:46] Now we know what would happen to the tracker if we build a bigger testing community [14:46] ara: it dies a horrid painful flaming death [14:47] cjwatson, slangasek: YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [14:47] I'll take it that's a success [14:47] works on une at least :D [14:48] ara: well, it seems like something is really slowing down quandong, seems to be I/O related. [14:48] bouncing up and down on your chair works better on the chairs in the office [14:48] 386 entire disk worked [14:51] cjwatson: it's the hydrolics they take the impact better :D [14:55] how is going it now [14:55] is every test being made at the moment? [14:56] the iso.qa.ubuntu.com is very slow, i wanted to help on a VM to test the isos fasters [14:58] fwiw, on amd64 with another lucid side-by-side (autoresize), both show up in grub [15:01] * fader_ is testing Free software only install on desktop amd64 but is unable to get to the tracker to mark it as started. [15:03] fader_: glad you can access tracker [15:04] I'll take all the m-a tests as I get the iso's [15:09] * ara is happy. she was able to mark a test as Started in the tracker [15:09] I just discovered the route to happiness: not timing out [15:14] ara: Lies chocolate is the route to happiness ask czajkowski she'll tell you [15:15] Yeah, I hate when my chocolate times out. [15:15] Wait, what? [15:15] :D [15:15] fader_: yeah you do have to eat it before the sell by date ;) [15:16] davmor2: It's much cheaper to buy once it's past though :P [15:16] czajkowski: how's the office? [15:16] fader_: That's just so wrong ;) [15:20] burns ubu i386 === oubiwann is now known as Wooster_ === Wooster_ is now known as oubiwann [15:32] ubu 64bit and 32bit m-a running [15:47] ubu i386 is working on m-a [15:48] davmor2: any more tests to run? [15:48] on ubu_i386? [15:49] marjo: all of them that was the first as far as I know [15:49] davmor2: huh? [15:50] AFAICT, all tests have been reported on? [15:50] non-english network + cjk input in optional is all that's left on ubu i386 [15:50] marjo: respin for bug [15:50] cyphermox: ack & yes, it's optional [15:50] davmor2: what's being respun? [15:51] sbeattie: [15:51] davmor2, any luck with m-a on amd64? I couldn't get it too see that there was data, but I may well have been doing it wrong [15:51] sbeattie: every live system that has migration-assistant [15:51] daily-live, netbook, edubuntu so far [15:51] edubuntu ISO still finalizing [15:51] ubuntu dvd also planned, plus mythbuntu and xubuntu [15:51] cyphermox: it's running now [15:51] ok [15:51] ^^ I don't think Mythbuntu is having a re-spin, i might be wrong. [15:51] davmor2: thx [15:52] Daviey: I asked you, you never responded? [15:52] 10:57 superm1,Daviey,mr_pouit: we're respinning the Ubuntu desktop CDs for bug 570765 and doing emergency revalidation. You have the option of doing the same for Mythbuntu/Xubuntu if you choose [15:52] cjwatson: Sorry, i thought me and superm1 both responded in -devel? [15:52] (Edubuntu has already chosen to do so; Kubuntu and Ubuntu Studio are unaffected), and if you can get revalidation within at most a reasonable delay time. Speak now? [15:52] 10:58 superm1,Daviey,mr_pouit: if you choose to respin, you'll have the option of taking either the current validated image or the new one [15:52] cjwatson: Bug 570765 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/570765 is private [15:52] oh, blah, now I see, it was in the middle of a pile of other stuff directed at me [15:53] cjwatson: i totally understand.. we honestly don't mind. [15:53] cjwatson: either way. :) [15:53] cyphermox, cjwatson: clean bill of health for ubu 32 and 64 using m-a [15:53] ok, so in that case belay mythbuntu [15:53] cjwatson: ok, great. [15:54] (which is easier, as it's landed on our mirrors already) [15:55] davmor2: ack th [15:55] thx [16:23] ubu32 full drive pass [16:23] * stgraber start edubuntu i386 (all tests) [16:27] stgraber: Is it helpful if I start on edubuntu amd64? [16:27] (Not sure if you've done those or not) [16:28] sorry for asking this yet again, but i was out and the iso tracker is down [16:28] what has been posted? [16:28] edubuntu is the latest up [16:28] fader_: it sure helps to get more coverage, though if you have another image to test that nobody has rsynced yet, then prefer that one. [16:28] ubuntu DVD will be up shortly, though I can't get it posted to the tracker yet, either [16:29] stgraber: Roger; I'll poke at it until the DVD is up [16:29] ok, thanks [16:32] ETA of 35min before Edubuntu i386 is fully tested [16:35] can i help? [16:35] rofl [16:36] omg [16:36] haha one person posts this channel name in #ubuntu-release-party and a flood of people join [16:36] lol [16:36] haha [16:36] MUST FOLLOW THE HORDE [16:36] SirVictory: tryue true [16:36] this is ubuntu horde [16:36] Brainz [16:36] we are the collective [16:36] We are actually try to work and coordinate ubuntu iso testing here [16:36] give us ubuntu otherwise we'll moan on forums or something [16:37] * HAL9K thought bill gates was the borg [16:37] All hail Ubuntu!!! [16:37] Mind if we quietly watch said testing? [16:37] quietly is great [16:37] ok [16:38] * Avasz (~Freenode@unaffiliated/avasz) has left #ubuntu-testing :P [16:39] are xubuntu or mythbuntu ready for testing? [16:39] * rae quietly watches [16:39] bdmurray: I don't think mythbuntu is being respun [16:39] xubuntu is not yet [16:39] fader_: cool, that wasn't entirely clear to me [16:39] We should have a progress bar for ubuntu [16:39] Ubuntu DVD ETA < 10 min; xubuntu eta < 30min [16:40] bdmurray: I saw something in #ubuntu-release but let me confirm [16:40] tracker ETA... dunno [16:40] bdmurray: we were planning to at one point, but it turns out it's unaffected [16:40] (mythbuntu) [16:40] cjwatson: thanks, saves me from trolling through logs :) [16:40] xubuntu isn't ready yet, it's building at the moment [16:41] Ubuntu DVD up - 20100429, not available from the tracker yet [16:41] i386 squashfs has built, amd64 is still going [16:41] fader_: Would it be wrong of me to say, if you are bored - feel free to test it anyway? :) [16:41] Daviey: Not at all, though I'd prefer to focus on the new images. Plus I ran all the test cases for that image already so I wouldn't expect any different results from me :) [16:42] * Daviey expects fader_ to be far from bored already :) [16:42] Hehe [16:42] Never a dull moment, etc. [16:46] ubu_32 pass on auto-resize and manual [16:46] iso tracker is back [16:46] ogasawara: ^^ [16:48] slangasek: thanks [16:49] but perhaps people should leave some bandwidth for me to use in posting the candidates... :) [16:49] Heh [17:00] tracker up-to-date, at last [17:01] slangasek: it might be but I stall can't access half of it how is netbook looking? [17:01] davmor2: netbook is done [17:02] xubuntu desktop up [17:02] and that's it for respins [17:03] ubuntu studio ? [17:03] * fader_ starts some DVD amd64 tests. [17:03] digitaloktay: only affects live cd's [17:04] I heard there was a tracker up? am I late to the party? heh [17:05] anyone have the tracker url [17:05] I don't think this is the tracker you're looking for [17:06] these aren't the trackers we looking for, move along, move along [17:06] move along...move along... [17:06] woo slangasek to much starwars [17:07] irc...ubuntu...linux...star wars...what do you expect? [17:08] so no tracker then? haha [17:11] * ara syncs ubuntu dvd i386, let see how it goes [17:11] the DVD i386 is not up yet? I'm getting 404 with the links of the tracker [17:12] pedro_: Worked for me [17:12] From cdimage [17:12] fader_, amd64 works here but no the i386 [17:12] fader_: from cdimage or the us mirror of cdimage [17:13] * charlie-tca rsynced the xubuntu 386 cd [17:13] davmor2: From the UK site... I'm in the Lex office so I "look like" I'm in the UK to the Internet today [17:13] they showed up now on cdimage [17:13] charlie-tca: I don't think it's up yet dude [17:13] it took a while [17:14] xubuntu desktop up [17:14] 10 minutes ago [17:14] charlie-tca: well spotted dude missed that in all the excitement [17:15] Yup, You're just slow today ;-) [17:15] "today"? [17:15] O:-) [17:16] * davmor2 stabs fader_ with an anvil if the pointy end don't kill you the weight will ;) [17:21] so, dvd i386 is not there? [17:21] ara: it is [17:21] I'm zsyncing it right now [17:21] +1; it showed up a few minutes after amd64 for me [17:22] takes forever to reach me, but it's syncing :) [17:22] * ara tries to zsync again [17:22] argh, zsync just aborted and toasted my xubuntu amd64 iso image. [17:28] so just to confirm, the i386 and amd64 isos are both respun before rls today? [17:29] anybody testing ubuntu dvd i386? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4170 [17:29] marjo, I am syncing it now [17:29] marjo: I have it sync'd and can hit it after the amd64 DVD if nobody else hits it first [17:29] ETA 12min [17:30] (for syncing) [17:30] Heh, it'll take me more than 12m to finish amd64 === geronimo is now known as yoda === yoda is now known as geronimo [17:33] I haven't sync'd since last week, so it'll take me some time before I can get the DVD ready from here [17:33] moustafa: Hey dude! [17:33] hey fader_ ! [17:33] Sorry I haven't been around much, I had some sorting to do [17:34] moustafa: welcome to the party! [17:34] In fact, if things go well, cr3 and I will be able to have lunch together, and this time I'll be paying it :D [17:34] Thank you, marjo :) [17:34] can you help out w/ some testing? [17:35] No probs [17:35] I'm syncing the images as we speak [17:35] nice [17:35] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested [17:35] Nice, I'm no longer getting squashfs errors after install [17:36] I had my sister install UNR on her new netbook, she likes it [17:36] moustafa: great to hear that [17:37] dvd i386 download eta 6min [17:37] please don't time out now... pretty please [17:38] marjo: Honestly, I wasn't sure what her reaction would be (she's a Ubuntu Desktop user already), but she likes it === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [17:41] Can anybody tell me when is lynx releasing? it was scheduled today, but still not available...!!!! [17:41] what's the final filesize of the amd64 image anyone? [17:41] pratik: anytime today [17:41] its still today here ;-) [17:41] pratik: The ISOs are being remixed, so it's been delayed a bit [17:41] Should still be out today [17:42] Thanx... I am eager to download it.... :) [17:42] We all are. Just gotta be patient === yofel_ is now known as yofel === Andre_Gondim-afk is now known as Andre_Gondim [17:53] There's no test case for it, but should we be testing resize installs with the DVD? [17:53] pratik lynx is in the repos...fantastic browser [17:54] itsdaveperdue: pratik left the room [17:55] oh...well I thought it was funny [17:55] that's the case with most of my humor [17:55] * charlie-tca thought it was funny too [17:56] lynx vs. w3m can be the vi vs. emacs of the future [17:57] w3m-img makes that a no-brainer choice. :-) [17:57] sbeattie, pfftt!!! then you still get all the ads! [17:58] cyphermox: that's fixed... elsewhere. [17:58] * ara syncs xubuntu i386 [17:58] still can't get at the tracker how's things looking [17:58] I prefer lynx simply because it's lighter [17:59] ara: done [17:59] charlie-tca, ok :) [17:59] davmor2: really ? it's very fast here [17:59] Thanks [17:59] working on the 64bit xubuntu now [18:00] folks: could use help w/ http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4171 [18:00] I'm syncing the DVD images. Reading the seed is long, though, but that's to be expected [18:01] marjo: Pulling down the image now; eta 15m [18:01] fader_ thx [18:02] ameetp, hggdh: have spare cycles on your amd64s? [18:04] marjo: guess so, what is needed? [18:04] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4171 [18:04] bladernr: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/4171 help? [18:06] marjo: zsync helpfully toasted that image for me; it'll require a full image download for me over my slow dsl line. [18:06] sbeattie: yeah i saw that earlier; sorry about that [18:07] marjo: I can do the second and fourth, cannot do the first and wubi [18:07] downloading xubuntu now [18:08] dling now [18:08] hggdh: ok; i've asked davmor2 to help out w/ wubi === Andre_Gondim is now known as Andre_Gondim-afk [18:10] Ok, fetching Xubuntu AMD64 at the same time [18:10] marjo I can try... I was trying to zsync the DVD images and hit those, but they appear to only be available on cdimages which is being roasted right now. [18:10] bladernr: ok thx for trying [18:10] Estimated time 27 minutes... [18:10] Less now [18:11] moustafa: for dvd? lucky... mine got stuck :( [18:11] * bladernr kills zsync and looks to xubuntu instead [18:11] * sbeattie is testing the ubuntu amd64 dvds right now. [18:11] bladernr: Actually, no I'm still zsyncing the DVD. I am, however, downthemall'ing Xubuntu, which is at around 14 minutes now [18:12] moustafa: ahh... heh... my zsync for DVD said 500 hours to go :( [18:12] lol [18:13] heh, it only takes me two hours to download it [18:13] 91.2% 1.4 kBps [18:13] marjo: xubuntu/daily-live and ./daily do not have images for today [18:14] Okay, managed to get xubuntu downloaded but I can't test wubi due to lack of windows here :) [18:14] hggdh: only daily-live should [18:14] I'll try the live stuff but persistence has never worked for me in vbox [18:15] fader_: persistence pays off in the end ;-) [18:15] hggdh: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/20100429/ [18:15] fader_: eh? persistence has worked for me in vbox; I just create a small 2nd disk image and partition/label it to taste. [18:15] I have winxp in a virtual install [18:15] sbeattie: Should it be a vfat partition or ext? [18:16] ext [18:16] sbeattie: Okay, thanks... I'll give it another shot. I haven't tried in a couple of releases :) [18:17] ah they just appeared [18:17] fader_: yeah, it's not an ideal test situation, as there may be differences in treatment by the kernel/installer of usb disks versus sata/ide. [18:17] * fader_ nods. [18:18] I figured that's the sort of thing that's generally better tested on real hardware [18:18] yeah [18:22] * davmor2 hits wubi [18:23] davmor2: go, man, go! [18:24] davmor2: Be gentle now === oubiwann is now known as Wooster_ [18:25] moustafa: NO! it should be strong enough to take a wailing from this sledgehammer :D [18:26]