[15:47] <cjohnston> mdke: ping
[15:47] <mdke> cjohnston: (In case I'm not around at the moment, please provide a bit of information about what you want and I will respond when I get back)
[15:48] <cjohnston> mdke: Is there any plan, or desire to localize help.ubuntu.com  - dpm is wondering if we should make a session at UDS about translating it, but I don't know if this is something that is planned or desired
[18:53] <newz2000> ofirk_: download iframe should be updated and ready to launch
[18:54] <newz2000> ryanakca: ^^
[18:54] <newz2000> ofirk_: I was not able to get the updated js version in but I will
[18:54] <ofirk_> newz2000: thanks! (you mean for new theme launch, right?)
[18:54] <newz2000> ofirk_: which part?
[18:55] <ofirk_> newz2000: will the download page be updated along with new kubuntu website theme?
[18:56] <newz2000> ofirk_: I don't know about the new theme. To make the download page work you've got to point it at the new iframe
[18:56] <newz2000> www.ubuntu.com/syndicated/kubuntu-lucid-iframe
[18:56] <newz2000> ofirk_: do you want the old page updated now or are you putting the new page in today?
[18:57] <ofirk_> \me just figured that they both not in the same place
[18:58]  * ofirk_ fills stupid
[18:58] <newz2000> ofirk_: I can do that
[18:58] <newz2000> I should have done that
[18:59] <ofirk_> I want the new iframe to be launched together with the new theme
[18:59] <ofirk_> so keep it under kubuntu-lucid-iframe
[19:00] <newz2000> ok, let me update the kubuntu iframe then (the old one)
[19:03] <newz2000> The mirrors are getting hammered so my testing is not going well
[19:03] <newz2000> ok, tested
[19:04] <ofirk_> I checked, it already points to 10.04
[19:04] <newz2000> I've updated the form...
[19:04] <newz2000> gotta get it live
[19:04] <ofirk_> ooh
[19:29] <ofirk_> newz2000: the choice between netbook and desktop is missing in the current iframe
[19:30] <newz2000> :-(
[19:36] <stas> hmm, who knows why .com website is not using new branding? :|
[19:36] <stas> i'm still excited to see it
[19:38] <newz2000> ofirk_: Do you know if kubuntu 10.04 is LTS?
[19:39] <ofirk_> newz2000: it is LTS
[19:39] <newz2000> ok, thanks
[19:47] <cjohnston> newz2000: what do you want to do with the bugs that are going to flood in.. like the two complaining that screenshots are out of date
[19:48] <cjohnston> stas: did you read something saying it would be released today?
[19:48] <stas> cjohnston: didn't, but thought it will target the release day
[19:51] <newz2000> cjohnston: can you give me an example?
[20:01] <newz2000> stas: we all wanted the branding to go live today but it just wasn't possible to get it done with a high enough quality for an LTS release.
[20:01] <newz2000> However, things are moving along nicely and we're making progress on it.
[20:02] <detrate-> hi, there appears to be a CSS bug on the homepage.  #ubuntulogo uses the following trick to hide the text inside the <a> tag (I guess for accessibility / SEO (though note, it's missing a title tag so it's not 508 compliant)) >> text-indent:-300px; << the problem is most obvious on a wide screen where this text is clearly visible off to the left.
[20:02] <stas> np great to hear that.
[20:02] <newz2000> detrate-: thanks for the report, let me check it
[20:03] <detrate-> a better way to resolve this in the CSS layer is to do the following >> #ubuntulogo { display:block; background:...; width:0; padding-left:202px; overflow:hidden; }
[20:03] <detrate-> that should work cross browser
[20:04] <stas> detrate-: what browser are you using, I got chrome on ubuntu and can't see any issues
[20:04] <detrate-> firefox
[20:04] <detrate-> do you have a widescreen?
[20:04] <newz2000> detrate-: I'll try it out.
[20:04] <detrate-> http://imgur.com/MxYpS.png
[20:04] <detrate-> look in the left of that screenshot
[20:04] <detrate-> verified it's present in chrome
[20:05] <detrate-> as well as opera
[20:05] <detrate-> it should be viewable by any standards compliant browser
[20:05] <detrate-> as it's just moving the text to the left -300px
[20:05] <newz2000> detrate-: actually, I'm fried. I think I may have to try this tomorrow
[20:05] <detrate-> really? just applying the css fix will work, I promise.
[20:06]  * knome orders some fried kwwii's
[20:06] <newz2000> I believe you. It looks like a good plan.
[20:06] <detrate-> actually... you can probably just use 'overflow:hidden'
[20:06] <newz2000> detrate-: it's very hard to get changes done on the website on release day because the server is hammered
[20:06] <newz2000> detrate-: no, overflow hidden won't work on that
[20:06] <detrate-> haha, fair enough
[20:06] <detrate-> I just verified that it did
[20:06] <newz2000> it will with your fix, not mine though
[20:07] <detrate-> using firebug
[20:07] <detrate-> damn... all these links are missing title tags
[20:07] <knome> :P
[20:08] <newz2000> title tags aren't needed if your link text is descriptive, which we try to do
[20:08] <detrate-> in 508 compliance they are
[20:08] <newz2000> check again
[20:08] <detrate-> and I doubt the page currently validates
[20:08] <detrate-> check 508 compliance again??
[20:08] <newz2000> only for common text like "read more"
[20:09] <newz2000> "download ubuntu" would not need it
[20:09] <newz2000> "click here" would
[20:10] <detrate-> fair enough
[20:10] <detrate-> I guess there is no need to be redundant
[20:11] <ofirk_> newz2000: thanks for the update to the iframe!
[20:11] <newz2000> my pleasure. Sorry it took an extra hour to get right. :-)
[20:11] <newz2000> ofirk_: when do you think your theme change will happen?
[20:12] <ofirk_> newz2000: hopefully, next week
[20:12] <newz2000> cool
[20:12] <detrate-> holy css hacks batman, this stylesheet injected content is causing validation to fail: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ubuntu.com%2F&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline&group=0
[20:12] <newz2000> detrate-: I test in multiple browser to ensure it's usable (including text only browsers like lynx)
[20:13] <newz2000> The inline css is a necessary evil and does hurt validation but the site works
[20:15] <detrate-> well I don't want to tell you how to do your job, especially on release day but if you want to bounce around ideas on how to have your cake and eat it to, let me know :)
[20:15] <newz2000> detrate-: the mailing list is a good way to start a discusion on it
[20:15] <detrate-> is there a forum or only mailing list?
[20:16] <newz2000> just a mailing list but it gets very little traffic
[20:19] <detrate-> have you dropped ie6 support?
[20:19] <newz2000> detrate-: I still test with IE to make sure the site is usable
[20:20] <newz2000> but I don't try to make it perfect
[20:20] <newz2000> We still have about 5% of our users on IE6 :-(
[20:20] <newz2000> (by test with IE I mean "test with IE6")
[20:21] <detrate-> it's borked for me in ie6, it's okay in 7
[20:21] <detrate-> http://imgur.com/cV8FD.png
[20:21] <newz2000> As long as they can click the download button… :-)
[20:22] <detrate-> :-P
[20:22] <detrate-> yeah, I wish I could drop support as well... started adding ie6 support as a service
[20:22] <detrate-> a large part of our market is involved with state/gvt -- so ~20-50% is ie :( :( :(
[20:23] <detrate-> and ~70% of that is ie6
[20:23] <newz2000> yuck
[20:23] <detrate-> I know :-\
[20:23] <detrate-> "we want it to do this, that and this"... "well... upgrade your browser, then we'll talk ;-P"
[20:23] <newz2000> I remember when IE6 rocked.
[20:23] <detrate-> yeah
[20:24] <newz2000> As bad as it is, supporting it is better than IE5.5
[20:24] <detrate-> yeah, it at least has _some_ idea of compliance
[20:24] <detrate-> less hair pulling bugs but still enough that make you wish the ie team would just stop developing
[20:25] <detrate-> bragging about ie9 having ~40% compatibility these days??? welcome to 5 years ago? hth
[20:25] <detrate-> "but we injected more of our proprietary AWESOMENESS into it."
[20:26] <cjohnston> newz2000: bug 571833
[20:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 571833 in ubuntu-website ""What is Ubuntu" page should use 10.04 login screen screenshot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571833
[20:26] <cjohnston> bug 151835
[20:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 151835 in ubuntu-website "Ubuntu Desktop Edition page uses out-of-date screenshots" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/151835
[20:26] <detrate-> I give webkit props for pushing CSS to the next level
[20:26] <cjohnston> bug 571837 bug 571845
[20:26] <newz2000> cjohnston: lets just sit on these for a bit.
[20:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 571837 in ubuntu-website "Server Edition page links to 8.04 brochure, should be 10.04" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571837
[20:26] <ubot3> Malone bug 571845 in ubuntu-docs "help.ubuntu.com claims 9.10 is current stable, 8.04 is current LTS" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/571845
[20:26] <cjohnston> how many more do you want
[20:26] <cjohnston> lol
[20:26] <newz2000> help.u.c shoud be assigned to ubuntu-docteam
[20:27] <cjohnston> ok
[20:27] <newz2000> that server edition link to 8.04 may be one to fix though
[20:27] <newz2000> Hmm… we'll have to sit on it too
[20:27] <cjohnston> ?
[20:28] <newz2000> the server brochure
[20:28] <newz2000> it won't be ready
[20:28] <cjohnston> ahh
[20:28] <cjohnston> would it be appropriate to send him an email and let him know that it will take time for everything to be updated, not to file a bug about everything
[20:29] <newz2000> cjohnston: I'm going to let you decide. My head hurts.
[20:30] <cjohnston> sorry to hear that... too much release fun?
[20:30] <newz2000> Yeah. Plus I'm sleeping on a coach. :-)
[20:31] <cjohnston> sell the house?
[20:31] <newz2000> (I'm moving from one house to another and have 3 weeks between)
[20:31] <newz2000> Close two week from tomorrow.
[20:32] <cjohnston> sweet
[20:32] <cjohnston> congrats
[20:32] <newz2000> Thanks. I think it's been long enough for any serious issues to surface so I'm going to sign off here in a moment
[20:33] <cjohnston> okie
[20:33] <cjohnston> have a good one
[20:33] <newz2000> thanks for your help cjohnston
[20:33] <cjohnston> np
[20:56] <skierpage> Twice now zsync http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso has ended with  'Bad line - not a zsync file? "" '.  Anyone else seeing this?  Is this the place to report the problem?
[20:56] <skierpage> md5sum reports a different checksum than in MD5SUMS, so the zsync error message is not a false alarm.
[20:58] <skierpage> I wound up with 731101184 2010-04-28 13:17 kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso, which may be the unchanged .iso from yesterday's release candidate.
[20:58] <Turl> hi all!
[21:01] <Turl> hm, no netbook iso bittorrent on ubuntu.com? :(
[21:23] <skierpage> I filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website/+bug/571877 about the apparent .zsync file corruption.
[21:23] <ubot3> Malone bug 571877 in ubuntu-website "error 'Bad line - not a zsync file? ""' from zsync of kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync" [Undecided,New]
[22:24] <billybobbigdong> is the alternate install iso needed to create software raid?
[22:33] <stas> billybobbigdong: did you check the http://releases.ubuntu.com/
[23:09] <vegaz> the orange banner on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown is still showing "coming soon...", thought you should know :) off for a fresh install, thank you for a great os!