[02:18] <BlueEagle> aquina: For file systems /etc/fstab is the place to look.
[02:44] <R3cur51v3> Wil Xubuntu 10.04 feature an updated theme?
[02:50] <_Techie_> R3cur51v3, i would think so
[02:50] <_Techie_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[02:53] <_Techie_> R3cur51v3, feel free to check for yourself, lucid is due to be released within 24 hours
[02:53] <zubuntz> Wouldn't RC have updated themes?
[02:54] <_Techie_> zubuntz, yes, being the release candidate it would most likely have the updated themes that wil be used in the final release
[03:08] <Presario2500> hi
[03:08] <Presario2500> why does my .doc file look different in various word processors?  I'm editing a document in Microsoft Word 2007 on one PC, and AbiWord on another PC
[03:11] <zubuntz> Presario2500, Abiword isn't very good in my experience.  Have you tried OO?
[03:12] <Myrtti> because .doc is a proprietary format that other editors can try to display the best they can
[03:12] <Presario2500> what format should I use instead of DOC that will look the same on all PCs?
[03:12] <Presario2500> RTF?
[03:13] <zubuntz> RTF won't have any of the formatting you might need.  ODF is better, methinks.
[03:13] <zubuntz> I think Office 2007 works with ODF files too.
[03:14] <Presario2500> ODF is nice, but the people that work with me don't use OpenOffice
[03:17] <zubuntz> Presario2500, I'm almost positive that there is a plugin for 2007 that allows them to view ODF files.
[03:18] <zubuntz> http://www.microsoft.com/Presspass/press/2008/may08/05-21ExpandedFormatsPR.mspx
[03:18] <Presario2500> I'm sure there is, but I need something that is going to work on the most computer illiterate peoples' computers
[03:18] <zubuntz> Just set their computers to use the ODF format by default.
[03:18] <zubuntz> But I hear you. :)
[03:19] <zubuntz> As a last resort, you could try using Microsoft Office with Wine.
[03:51] <Aquina> nite
[05:12] <mikubuntu> is the xubuntu lucid not released yet?
[05:13] <__Techie__> !isitout | mikubuntu
[05:13] <__Techie__> also when you get there
[05:14] <__Techie__> ask repeatedly "is it out yet?"
[05:14] <mikubuntu> hey, techie, wassup in nz
[05:14] <__Techie__> not much
[05:15] <__Techie__> sitting on my ass wrapped in a towel waiting for the release
[05:15] <mikubuntu> i need the new x for a desktop for my sister
[05:15] <__Techie__> why the new one?
[05:17] <mikubuntu> i upgraded to lucid ubuntu on my laptop and it makes me sign back in everytime i leave the computer for 5 minutes it makes me sign back in do you know where the settings are?
[05:18] <__Techie__> umm, should be with the screensaver or powersaving settings
[05:18] <__Techie__> !power
[05:18] <__Techie__> !powersaving
[05:18] <mikubuntu> 2 strikes
[05:18] <__Techie__> !swing
[05:19] <__Techie__> !energy
[05:19] <__Techie__> !energysaving
[05:19] <__Techie__> seriously
[05:19] <__Techie__> i woulda thought ubottu had factoids on atleast one of those entries
[05:19] <mikubuntu> !screenlock
[05:20] <mikubuntu> hmmmm
[05:20] <__Techie__> gimme a bit
[05:20] <__Techie__> im searching ubottu
[05:20] <mikubuntu> ubuto don't know s#%$
[05:21] <__Techie__> wow, there is absolutely no entries for power saving
[05:21] <__Techie__> !hate
[05:21] <mikubuntu> i put the rc of lucid on my laptop, i like it, but the screen lock is driving me nuts
[05:22] <mikubuntu> and regarding your question about why the newest, i'm just assuming the newest will be the lightest and most agile for the old box i'm giving her
[05:22] <__Techie__> also most likely the most buggy
[05:23] <__Techie__> !hotornot
[05:23] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[05:23] <mikubuntu> so you're saying the females are the most buggy?
[05:24] <mikubuntu> i knew that
[05:24] <__Techie__> lol
[05:24] <mikubuntu> unlike like the male operating system, the output seems variable
[05:25] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[05:25] <Sysi> lucid has been working well on me
[05:26] <mikubuntu> sysi, yeah, i like the quick boot up, but the truth is i haven't used it with anything more than browsers yet
[05:26] <__Techie__> when the release finally comes, i shall start torrenting
[05:27] <Sysi> school →
[05:28] <mikubuntu> lately, i've been using galeon for browsing, cause my chrome has gotten slow slow slow, and i have too many addons on firefox, so it's slow .. opera and galeon have been giving me the best perfomance lately
[05:30] <__Techie__> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/centrifugal_force.png
[05:31] <mikubuntu> hahaha
[05:32] <mikubuntu> open source os needs to form an alliance with open source building, see www.earthship.org
[05:33] <__Techie__> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/recipes.png
[05:41] <__Techie__> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/secretary_part_5.png
[06:26] <robertzaccour> is there a xubuntu netbook edition?
[06:28] <mikubuntu> i upgraded to lucid ubuntu on my laptop and it makes me sign back in everytime i leave the computer for 5 minutes it makes me sign back in do you know where the settings are?
[06:28] <mikubuntu> *does anyone know where the settings are?
[06:29] <robertzaccour> mikubuntu, not sure, but a complete fresh install took me only 6 minutes lol
[06:30] <robertzaccour> more than likely you'll get it installed before finding an answer lol but i may be wrong
[06:30] <mikubuntu> that's great, took me hours and hours to upgrade thru the manager with my slow att connection
[06:30] <robertzaccour> but thats on my dual core, which i'm trading tomorrow for a mini 9 and $200 :)
[06:30] <robertzaccour> ouch that sucks
[06:31] <mikubuntu> yes, it did
[06:31] <mikubuntu> but everythings fine now, except the pesky screenlock issue
[06:33] <mikubuntu> https://help.ubuntu.com/7.04/keeping-safe/C/lock-screen.html  but it doesn't say anything about disabling the feature
[06:35] <mikubuntu> ok, found the fix, it's on the screensaver settings
[08:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> which time will xubuntu Lucid be released? (timezone)
[08:42] <moetunes> I doubt an exact hour has been set for the release
[08:42] <moetunes> !isitout
[08:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> moetunes, I see
[08:45] <moetunes> Sachse_Siechtum: I'm waiting 'till late tomorrow when there'll be lots of seeders for the iso torrent
[08:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> moetunes, yeah I'll do too...
[08:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> when I got all my stuff backup'd I'll install Linux mint on my main partition :-)
[15:34] <tNetworking> hi
[15:56] <cody-somerville> Feel free to join #ubuntu-release-party folks
[17:02] <frnknstn> This has probably been asked a hundred times already, but is xubuntu going to be released at the same time as (k)ubunt?
[17:02] <cody-somerville> hopefully
[17:02] <cody-somerville> usually is
[17:02] <cody-somerville> but we just had to respin the image
[18:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> When will Xubuntu Lucid come out?
[18:09] <charlie-tca> Today
[18:09] <charlie-tca> utc time
[18:09] <Sysi> !isitout
[18:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> utc?
[18:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> sysi I'm in that channel
[18:09] <charlie-tca> It will be out sometime before the day ends, using UTC
[18:09] <Sysi> i'm not
[18:09] <charlie-tca> or GMT
[18:10] <Sysi> i think not *very* long wait anymore
[18:10] <charlie-tca> got about 7 hours yet to get it out
[18:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> I just came back from Judo.....I'm hungry...
[18:12]  * Sachse_Siechtum bites into charlie-tca 's arm *hmmm....flesssh*
[18:12] <charlie-tca> ouch!
[18:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> *g*
[18:12] <charlie-tca> now it's bleeding!
[18:13] <zombie_siechtum> *chrrrrrrr* *bite* *braaaaiiiins!*
[18:14]  * zombie_siechtum devours charlie-tca 
[18:14] <zombie_siechtum> *nomnomnom*
[18:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> afk eating *g*
[18:29] <flansuse> The download link gives me a 404 error: http://xubuntu.com/news/lucid/beta-2
[18:29] <charlie-tca> Because that is obsolete now. The final image will be released shortly.
[18:29] <flansuse> charlie-tca, that quickly?
[18:30] <flansuse> I thought Xubuntu usually lagged a month behind the Ubuntu release?
[18:30] <Sysi> no?
[18:30] <charlie-tca> No, it doesn't. It normally releases at the same time
[18:30] <flansuse> Well hot dog.
[18:30] <flansuse> <--- Someone's slow in the brain.
[18:31] <flansuse> Xubuntu makes for a fine netbook OS.
[18:34] <flansuse> Does the Alternate installer require a special initrd in order to install from a USB stick?
[18:35] <Sysi> i just used unetbootin and it worked
[18:35] <Sysi> darn, my broadband started working badly
[18:36] <flansuse> Sysi, for the desktop CD or alternate CD?
[18:36] <Sysi> flansuse: both
[18:36] <flansuse> Sysi, alright, cool. I remember on Jaunty and Karmic it gave me an error about "No CD drive found!"
[18:37] <flansuse> Sysi, and I had to grab a special initrd and throw it on the stick, or something. I don't remember exactly.
[18:37] <Sysi> i did something like that with debian
[18:38] <flansuse> Sysi, yeah, and the alternate CD uses the text installer as well. No problems with the desktop CD. The thing is, I want to use full disk encryption during installation, which the desktop CD cannot do.
[18:39] <flansuse> And there's no CD drive on a netbook.
[18:42] <flansuse> Sysi, when you used UNetbootin, did you point it to the .iso or use one of the available presets/downloads from within UNetbootin's list?
[18:43] <flansuse> Sysi, I see "Xubuntu 10.04_HdMedia" in the list.
[18:47] <Sysi> i used already downloaded iso
[18:48] <Rytis> why there is rat in xubuntu logo? :o
[18:48] <flansuse> Sysi, alright, thank you.
[18:48] <flansuse> Rytis, from Xfce's logo?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> Rytis: it is a mouse, because that is the xfce mascot
[18:49] <Rytis> oh.. that makes sense then
[18:49] <flansuse> I hope in Xfce 4.8 they reintroduce a menu editor, like how GNOME has alacarte.
[18:50] <charlie-tca> there is supposed to be one, but I don't know  how much like gnome it will be
[18:51] <flansuse> charlie-tca, as long as it's practical and uses a friendly GUI. Modifying .xml files isn't exactly appealing to desktop users.
[18:52] <charlie-tca> It isn't using xml anymore. It is now set up per freedesktop.org specs
[18:53] <flansuse> charlie-tca, 4.6.1?
[18:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[18:54] <flansuse> charlie-tca, oh cool.
[18:54] <charlie-tca> uses .desktop files now
[18:54] <flansuse> charlie-tca, I told you, I'm slow when it comes to this. I always seem to be behind the latest developements, lol.
[18:54] <charlie-tca> heh
[18:54] <flansuse> I can't wait for the 2.6.x kernel series to be developed!
[18:54] <charlie-tca> you will catch up
[18:59] <flansuse> Thank god there are menu icons in Xfce, unlike in GNOME 2.30. (Not only that, but the option to reenable them from the Preferences has also been removed. Only possible through gconf-tool2 now...)
[18:59] <charlie-tca> heh, Ubuntu is for the beginners. Don't want to confuse them with usefulness
[19:00] <charlie-tca> well, that is not what I wanted to say.
[19:01] <flansuse> LOL
[19:01] <charlie-tca> I think they are trying to keep from confusing people with icons that can change
[19:01] <flansuse> It's more specifically a GNOME issue. One comment said "Someday with GNOME you will only be able to change the wallpaper using gconf."
[19:02] <flansuse> That made me burst out in laughter because I wouldn't be surprised if it does eventually happen.
[19:03] <flansuse> charlie-tca, but it's random. Some menus are filled with icons, which look very nice and are usual for the visually impaired. Whereas other menus and context menus have NO icons which look extremely bland, and can be confusing for disabled users.
[19:03] <flansuse> *useful
[19:06] <Psilocybin_Elf> Anyone know when Xubuntu 10.4 is released??
[19:07] <charlie-tca> now
[19:07] <charlie-tca> ooops, the correct answer would be 'yes'
[19:08] <charlie-tca> unfortunately, our website appears to be getting hit real hard
[19:09] <flansuse> Is there a secret link to the torrents? I don't want to bog down the servers, I'll just seed.
[19:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> I can upgrade to 10.0 :-) over package manager :-)
[19:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> 10.04
[19:14] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> Shall I do it? :-)
[19:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> I'm kinda scared....its like christmas...
[19:16] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[19:17] <Sachse_Siechtum> woah I did it! :-)
[19:18] <charlie-tca> it works fine, near as I can tell on both my 386 system and 64bit system
[19:18] <Sachse_Siechtum> "distro update" :-)
[19:19] <Sachse_Siechtum> uuuhh....third party packages deactivated... hmmm
[19:20] <charlie-tca> ppa's
[19:21] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah
[19:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> should I close all programs when the OS gets updated?
[19:26] <charlie-tca> I normally do, since it will be updating many of them
[19:26] <forfolias_> hi, will you release a regular live cd in a while or will you only have the alternate install?
[19:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> I bet they will release a live cd
[19:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, ok cu in a while
[19:27] <bentkus> Dudes you are slow
[19:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, for you: http://www.wulffmorgenthaler.com/default.aspx
[19:27] <charlie-tca> We have both
[19:27] <bentkus> are the isos final at a60a2c8e3cf4cb20ba9ca4339bea92cb *xubuntu-10.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[19:27] <bentkus> o sorry
[19:27] <bentkus> at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[19:27] <bentkus> are the isos final there?
[19:28] <charlie-tca> yes, but the daily-live/desktop image hasn't made it there yet
[19:29] <bentkus> but its the final 10.04 release?
[19:29] <charlie-tca> yes
[19:29] <charlie-tca> It will take the final desktop image a bit longer to appear there
[19:29] <flansuse> Grabbing the torrent now.
[19:30] <flansuse> For the Alternate, that is.
[19:40] <Sysi> good seed for lucid?
[19:41] <forfolias_> charlie-tca can i found somewhere the regular live cd torrent by now? we have an install fest tomorrow and we are a bit hurry
[19:41] <forfolias_> nevermind, just updated :D
[19:42] <charlie-tca> I don't know where to find torrents. You can do a download from - http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[19:42] <forfolias_> yes :)
[19:43] <crow> is xubuntu 10.4 amd64 going to be re-spined?
[19:43] <charlie-tca> no
[19:43] <charlie-tca> all the images at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.04/release/ are final
[19:43] <charlie-tca> We did desktop respins already
[19:44] <crow> sorry i ment xubuntu 10.4 amd64 desktop
[19:45] <charlie-tca> It is 10.04, and the respins are finished. The xubuntu 10.04 has been released
[19:45] <dejot_> 10.4=10.04
[19:46] <crow> ok sorry
[19:48] <ochosi> yeah, punch him in the face for writing 10.4 :D
[19:48] <ochosi> s/him/him or her
[19:49] <schlaftier> "10.4", that's so Apple
[19:50] <ramengirl> The naming convention is based on the year and month of the release. :0
[19:50] <ramengirl> Whoops
[19:50] <ramengirl> :)
[19:50] <charlie-tca> Be nice
[19:51] <charlie-tca> just say it was wrong, and teach the right way. and try to smile
[19:51] <charlie-tca> :-)
[19:52] <Sysi> mmph, should i download all four images
[19:52] <dejot_> yeah, it's actuall 10x4 ;-)
[19:53] <ramengirl> I'm downloading alternate and desktop because I'm going to a release party tomorrow night at Penguicon.
[19:53] <ochosi> i downloaded alternate because i couldn't wait
[19:53] <ochosi> now i'm downloading desktop
[19:53] <Sysi> but both architechtures also..
[19:53] <ramengirl> I supposed I should download at lease one of the AMD images.
[19:53] <ochosi> but in the end i'll seed both
[19:54] <Sysi> but prolly i don't neet 64
[19:54] <ramengirl> My spelling is terrible, need caffeine.
[19:54] <Sysi> *need
[19:55] <ramengirl> I have an AMD processor in my desktop but I don't bother running 64 bit. Easier to deal with the media codecs that way, best way for me at least.
[19:55] <Sysi> i don't have too much RAM for x86
[19:55] <ochosi> ramengirl, i've been running 64bit over a year now and haven't had *any* troubles
[19:56] <dejot_> same here
[19:56] <dejot_> flashplayer was very nonfree, but that's about it
[19:56] <ramengirl> Hmm, I will think about that.
[19:56] <dejot_> and really damn blasting faster
[19:56] <ochosi> even skype works quite well in 64bit now
[19:58] <ramengirl> I mostly use Xubuntu on my laptop, desktop is my gaming machine. Usually put Ubuntu on it but I haven't gotten around to it from my reinstall.
[19:58] <ramengirl> Last reinstall of XP.
[20:01] <ramengirl> I have been dual-booting on my desktop for a long time. Karmic broke my Windows install so I've been hesitant to dual boot on my desktop machine.
[20:02] <dejot_> i have been dual-booting for a very long time as well, and also quit doing that a long time ago.
[20:02] <ramengirl> But, I found out I could have fixed it rather than reinstall. Found the solution eventually.
[20:02] <ramengirl> Two things keeping Windows on my machine for awhile, my parents and World of Warcraft.
[20:02] <ramengirl> lol
[20:06] <ramengirl> I've not had much luck getting WoW to run well in Wine and I won't pay for Cedega.
[20:10] <ramengirl> Lunch time!
[20:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> 8 minutes left...
[20:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[20:32] <charlie-tca> :-)
[20:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> #ubuntu-release-party is going nuts! *g*
[20:32] <charlie-tca> It was nuts before
[20:32] <charlie-tca> #ubuntu hit over 2000 users today
[20:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> saweet
[20:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> they show "Hulk" in TV *g*
[20:34] <Sachse_Siechtum> 12 seconds to go
[20:44] <kangarooo> somthing wrong with xunbuntu page css
[20:44] <charlie-tca> correct
[20:44] <kangarooo> i reloaded it many times in last minute and still not working correctly
[20:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> page css?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> It won't load properly right now. It is inwork, though
[20:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> is it an important part of Xubuntu?
[20:45] <charlie-tca> It is all of http://xubuntu.org
[20:46] <charlie-tca> which, being the main website for xubuntu, is pretty important.
[20:46] <kangarooo> will the new 10.04 xubuntu awailable today? i checked ubuntu page every 2h and it finally arived. when wll xubuntu 10.04 arrive?
[20:47] <charlie-tca> yes, kangarooo. It is available at http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/10.04/release/
[20:47] <charlie-tca> It will take it a long time to hit the mirrors for xubuntu, though
[20:47] <Sysi> torrent ♥
[20:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah ok
[20:48] <Sachse_Siechtum> sysi :-) yeah :-)
[20:48] <kangarooo> ok im dl it now. also informing all ppl to who i installed xubuntu to make update and upgrade
[20:49] <Sachse_Siechtum> LTS means updates for 18 months, right?
[20:49] <Sysi> !lts
[20:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> wow sweet
[20:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh they put bruce banner into a watertank....he's gonna get angry..
[21:00]  * Sachse_Siechtum gives charlie-tca 1 german beer
[21:00]  * charlie-tca drinkskjd beer. It only takes one, these days!
[21:00] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[21:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> german beer is stronger than american beer
[21:01] <charlie-tca> mighjt only ned half, theen
[21:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe yeah...are you bit drunk? *g*
[21:02] <charlie-tca> abit, from the german beer ;-)
[21:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[21:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> damn still 1 hour installing
[21:24] <xubuntu862> hello
[21:24] <knome> !hi | xubuntu862
[21:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> oh...in some minutes they show alien 4 in tv :-)
[21:37] <Sysi> have you tried to install CLi-lucid and xorg, gdm, xfce4 to that
[21:37] <Sysi> at beta it did complete different setup that xubuntu default
[21:38] <Sysi> different plugins and wallpapers and stuff
[21:38] <charlie-tca> Never tried it
[21:39] <charlie-tca> without the xubuntu package, it should install the xfce4 defaults instead
[21:40] <Sysi> i like those defaults maybe more :)
[21:40] <kangarooo> o ouh. im now installing upgrade. im in the middle. is it bad that i use programms while upgrading? couse i tryd to change icon of chrome and happened someting like this http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot673.php
[21:40] <Sysi> and there's more wallpapers, at least in default list
[21:40] <kangarooo> and this again when tryd changing icon. http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-195.php and again this http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-251.php
[21:41] <kangarooo> theese are screen shots when icon browser quit. will all be allright after update?
[21:41] <charlie-tca> kangarooo: yes, that would most likely cause issues
[21:42] <charlie-tca> The xubuntu.org website is working again
[21:43] <charlie-tca> kangarooo: I think wait until the upgrade is finished and see what it does
[21:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah now they show alien 4 :_)
[21:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> 2 minutes left....of installation
[21:51] <kangarooo> ok so better quit all programms? vlc chrome and pidgin witch i have now opened? but i still was finghint againsts system and managed to change icon :)
[21:51] <Viper550> I was at my cousin's last night, shame you didn't change Xubuntu much for Lucid visually (besides the upstream ubuntu improvements under the hood), but it works quite great for him
[21:53] <charlie-tca> kangarooo: the system will allow you make changes. But since it is in the middle of upgrading, those changes may not do what you want. during the upgrade, many files are being replaced. They may not all be compatible at each moment you change something.
[21:54] <Sachse_Siechtum> should I delete the old packages?
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Viper550: thanks. Circumstances change rapidly sometimes, which creates a situation requiring choices between function and visual appearance.
[21:55] <Viper550> and, wait til you hear the actual specs of it
[21:55] <Viper550> we upgraded from karmic to lucid last night
[21:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, ?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> Sachse_Siechtum: as far as I know, they are no use anymore. I always delete them
[21:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[21:56] <Viper550> 20 second boot up (most of it was with a flashing cursor, we only saw the xubuntu splash for a few seconds ... god its so minimal)
[21:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> brb in lucid :-)
[22:01] <jarnos> What would be the best way to download Xubuntu 10.04 desktop CD image using Xubuntu 9.10, when you have the release candidate?
[22:01] <charlie-tca> rsync or zsync it. It is pretty fast
[22:02] <Viper550> jarnos: go into /etc/apt/sources.lst
[22:02] <Viper550> change everything karmic to lucid
[22:02] <Viper550> then go apt-get update, apt-get dist upgrade
[22:02] <Viper550> *dist-upgrade
[22:02] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok...
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Seems like a lot of work. Update-manager will also let you upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 now
[22:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> well...nothing to see ..move along move along nothing to see *g*
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Sachse_Siechtum: made it!
[22:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah...
[22:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> nice boot screen :-)
[22:03] <charlie-tca> Now go into /etc/apt/sources.lst and change karmic to lucid for the third party stuff
[22:04] <Viper550> yeah, I barely got to saw it. It's just the logo in the middle
[22:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> wow....2 add. gigabytes
[22:04] <charlie-tca> knome gets the credit for the splash screen
[22:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-)
[22:04] <Sachse_Siechtum> reminds me of good old windows LOL
[22:04] <knome> wut?
[22:05] <charlie-tca> huh?
[22:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> the boot screen...the black and white one
[22:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> 16 colours *g*
[22:05] <charlie-tca> clean and simple. I thought it was fantastic!
[22:05] <Sachse_Siechtum> yeah :-)
[22:06] <Sachse_Siechtum> its like a hommage :-)
[22:06] <Viper550> why'd you drop xsplash?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> because it got replaced with plymouth
[22:06] <Viper550> I meant as in, why did it get replaced?
[22:06] <charlie-tca> !info plymouth
[22:07] <charlie-tca> !plymouth
[22:07] <charlie-tca> knome: why did we use plymouth?
[22:07] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah the ubuntu generic games are back *g*
[22:07] <charlie-tca> I can't remember.
[22:07] <knome> charlie-tca, i suppose it has something to do with the fact ubuntu was migrating to plymouth as well, and it was easier to migrate with them
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Viper550: ^ ^
[22:08] <charlie-tca> thanks, knome
[22:08] <Viper550> usplash was just fine
[22:08] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, with gigolo ...do I still need mount manager?
[22:08] <knome> at least nobody justified using xsplash good enough to make the effort to keep with it
[22:08] <Viper550> could have implemented KMS into it
[22:08] <charlie-tca> Sachse_Siechtum: I don't know. Never used gigolo
[22:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> knome, I really like your xsplash :-)
[22:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> hmm
[22:09] <knome> Sachse_Siechtum, thanks. i'm glad you like it.
[22:09] <Twitchblade> how's the processor and memory load on an old clunker?
[22:09] <charlie-tca> I do everything with ssh and fuse
[22:09] <Sachse_Siechtum> I dont really like mount manager....too loaded
[22:09]  * Sachse_Siechtum gives knome a bottle of german beer :-)
[22:09] <mv> any one familiar with installing xubuntu on a macbook1,1
[22:09] <mv> ?
[22:10] <Twitchblade> how far are you?
[22:10] <knome> Sachse_Siechtum, which beer? ;)
[22:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, thats the awesome thing with linux...you can directly communicate with the developers....try that on Windows LOL
[22:11] <mv> Twitchblade was that question directed to me?
[22:11] <Sachse_Siechtum> knome....well... I think Claustaler is a good one
[22:11] <charlie-tca> I did once upon a time...
[22:11] <Twitchblade> sorry mv, yes
[22:11] <knome> Sachse_Siechtum, haven't had that. what is it like?
[22:11] <mv> well I am in the install process and I've successfully installed it before but can't remember where to install grub
[22:12] <Sachse_Siechtum> knome, uhm well...I dunno? I'm not that much of a beer drinker..
[22:12] <knome> lol
[22:12] <knome> okay
[22:12] <knome> i am..
[22:12] <mv> it's a single boot system and when I did mbr and didn't change anything in the advanced setting it failed to load
[22:12] <knome> ;)
[22:12] <Viper550> http://epicalhosting.dyndns.org/files/Xubuntuscreens/Screenshot3.png what I helped make
[22:12] <Twitchblade> mv, that's beyond me.
[22:13] <charlie-tca> mv: Is that the image dated today?
[22:13] <Sachse_Siechtum> does on the bootloader always show "skip mounting /recover manually"?
[22:14] <mv> charlie-tca no its beta2 which I installed like 3 days ago but now the mactel support site references installing refit which is new for single boot
[22:14] <kangarooo> charlie-tca: i wasnt hoping to suprise with new not usual things to happen by not closing all programms but this is how changed xfce4-panel (in pic in down) http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-342.php interesting or maybe something that will help maybe or "just showing what happens when programms opened while upgrading"
[22:14] <kangarooo> :)
[22:15] <charlie-tca> Thanks. :-)
[22:16] <charlie-tca> mv: Can't help with that, sorry
[22:17] <mv> I appreciate the support I'll see what I can do
[22:18] <_Techie_> so, hows lucid working for everyone... buggy?
[22:18] <charlie-tca> not buggy
[22:19] <_Techie_> how many problems have people been having
[22:19] <charlie-tca> one, I think
[22:20] <_Techie_> cool
[22:20] <_Techie_> i may have to add a gig to my bandwidth and download it
[22:21] <_Techie_> now im faced with a dilemma
[22:21] <_Techie_> whether to switch to 64 linux
[22:22] <charlie-tca> there isn't much difference if you have 3GB or less memory. I run 64bit so I can use 32 and 64bit virtualbox machines
[22:27] <Sachse_Siechtum> What is akonadi?
[22:27] <knome> !info akonadi
[22:27] <charlie-tca> where?
[22:27] <knome> bah
[22:28] <knome> Akonadi is a storage service for personal information management (PIM) data and meta data. It is one of the “pillars” (core technologies) behind the KDE 4 project ...
[22:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> uhm.....tab under system...
[22:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> o_O
[22:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> kde on my desktop? eeeeeeek!
[22:29] <charlie-tca> Akonadi is a storage service for personal information management  (PIM) data and meta data. It is part of KDE 4
[22:29] <knome> charlie-tca, way too slow. :)
[22:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> charlie-tca, you're getting slow... *g*
[22:30]  * charlie-tca thinks some things never change...
[22:30] <Sachse_Siechtum> what is nepomuk strigi file index?
[22:31] <charlie-tca> heh
[22:31] <__Techie__> man, im getting better download speeds off the primary image server than i was getting from the torrent
[22:31] <Sachse_Siechtum> __Techie__, isnt it ironic.....dont you think? *g*
[22:31] <knome> Sachse_Siechtum, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=nepomuk
[22:32] <jarnos> charlie-tca:  I whish I could see some progress, when rsyncing from rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/daily-live/current/
[22:32] <Sachse_Siechtum> argh I just got a nerdgasm! *g*
[22:33] <JANOVITZ> does the download actually work now?
[22:33] <charlie-tca> jarnos: I get a line like this - 695.08M 100%    2.06MB/s    0:05:36
[22:33] <charlie-tca> the time at the end counts down
[22:33] <charlie-tca> JANOVITZ: yes
[22:34] <charlie-tca> see the topic
[22:34] <JANOVITZ> good :)
[22:34] <_Techie_> JANOVITZ, downloads work, im currently downloading it from the primary image server
[22:38] <kangarooo> ok now serius problem and i thinkthis will be problem for 90% of all users of the world who would be using one of linux like one of ubuntu distros. im not fammiliar with excakt statistics of ubuntu user knowledge about this problem but this would make a lot users (wtf?) who are persuaded by ppl like me (ubuntu distro users) to use ubuntu or less tower proceses using os like xubuntu and installing upgrade or some update of this programm grub-
[22:40] <kangarooo> grub-pc is asking me what i want and i dont know. install the package maintainers version or keep the local version currently installed?
[22:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> and my panels dissappeard yet again!
[22:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> uhm...what was the drill?
[22:41] <knome> !panels | Sachse_Siechtum
[22:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok got it already
[22:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> it was still in the alt f2 cache LOL
[22:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> how can I change the botscreen?
[22:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> this "skip mounting /manual recovery"
[22:45] <Sachse_Siechtum> bootscreen
[22:46] <_Techie_> please dont tell me that thepanles are still dissapearing in lucid lynx
[22:47] <_Techie_> panels*
[22:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> YES they do.
[22:47] <_Techie_> FFS
[22:48] <knome> that should be fixed on future xfce versions and i'm trying to work on that with the xfce developers.
[22:48] <charlie-tca> kangarooo: if you have modified the menu, you decide if you want to modify the new grub menus. Then if you are willing to lose any modifications you have made, you take the package maintainers version
[22:48] <charlie-tca> Mine haven't disappeared
[22:49] <charlie-tca> kangarooo: if you have not made modifications to the menu, use the package maintainers version.
[22:51] <jarnos> kangarooo: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes#GRUB%20menu.lst:%20install%20the%20maintainer%27s%20version%20vs.%20keep%20the%20local%20version
[22:51] <Sachse_Siechtum> whats the command for "places"? because mine disappeard...
[22:53] <kangarooo> aha yes. im thingieng about his grub that it needs some modification. i dont have any modification as i start laptop in mornigh in my morning routine while going for breakfast but for 2 my friend who like to sit at pc while it starts i modified it to start in 4 sec if not any movement. so after updates it would be good not to ask anything but to make latest changes and keef starting for them after 4 seconds.
[22:55] <charlie-tca> Sachse_Siechtum: add new items to panel. 'Places'
[22:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> nothing happens
[22:56] <charlie-tca> you should restart, probably.
[22:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok brb
[22:56] <charlie-tca> but I don't really know
[22:56] <Sachse_Siechtum> just have to deinstall some kde stuff
[22:57]  * _Techie_ needs to get a smart phone to put linux on
[22:57] <Sachse_Siechtum> hehe
[22:57] <charlie-tca> You running kde?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> ;-)
[22:57] <_Techie_> anyone care to buy me one?
[22:57] <charlie-tca> I have an older Razor here I could probably sell
[22:58] <_Techie_> model number?
[22:58] <Sachse_Siechtum> no...just have some kde programs....came with lucid
[22:58] <charlie-tca> Where do I find that?
[22:58] <charlie-tca> huh?
[22:58] <_Techie_> charlie-tca, look under the battery, thats where it usually is on GSM phones
[22:58]  * charlie-tca feels left out now. His lucid never came with kde programs
[22:59] <_Techie_> would it happen to be the motorola razr
[23:00]  * Sachse_Siechtum gives charlie-tca another beer
[23:00] <charlie-tca> yes, motorola razor
[23:00] <_Techie_> then im not really interested in it
[23:01] <charlie-tca> Now he tells me. I can't even see them numbers anyway
[23:01] <Sachse_Siechtum> I really like this software center.. :-)
[23:02] <charlie-tca> They make the numbers too small to read now, I think
[23:02] <Viper550> yeah. My cousin is happy its included now in lucid xubuntu
[23:03] <Sachse_Siechtum> do I need a screen keyboard? ....no...
[23:04] <_Techie_> http://pricespy.co.nz/product.php?e=396441 something like that would be right up my alley
[23:10] <Sachse_Siechtum> blubb
[23:11] <_Techie_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YClJQBq4qpU
[23:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> cant watch this video...
[23:15] <Sachse_Siechtum> here in communist Germany.. :-(
[23:15] <_Techie_> awww
[23:18] <_Techie_> is it blocked?
[23:19] <kangarooo> hello again charlie-tca i had restart. and all stange activities of xfce panels are gone. and also icon of chrome is saved. so my conclusion is - while updating user can start the fall programms and all will be be good but on next release ill have more computers on my new company and ill try to fthem up on updates just to confident :) bb now its night at my latvia i go zzz
[23:24] <Sachse_Siechtum> uuuuh one package is damaged....audacious-plugins
[23:25] <charlie-tca> lol
[23:25] <charlie-tca> ain't that kde too?
[23:25] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have no idea
[23:25] <_Techie_> charlie-tca, do you know how to tell a SSH tunnel to allow connections from remote hosts?
[23:25] <charlie-tca> install openssh-server
[23:25] <_Techie_> not what i mean
[23:26] <_Techie_> i want ot allow machines to connect to the tunnel from hosts other than localhost
[23:27] <_Techie_> or does anyone know of a good free standalone http proxy
[23:27] <charlie-tca> I just set up the sshd.conf file to allow incoming on port 22,
[23:27] <_Techie_> charlie-tca, you obviously havent worked with tunnels before have you?
[23:27] <charlie-tca> not much
[23:28] <_Techie_> ive already got an established ssh connection
[23:28] <charlie-tca> just with my local machines
[23:28] <_Techie_> ive thrown up an encrypted tunnel inside that connection
[23:28] <charlie-tca> oh, you're way over my head
[23:28] <_Techie_> i can access that tunnel from the machine im connecting from
[23:28] <_Techie_> !tunneling
[23:31] <_Techie_> found it -g
[23:32] <charlie-tca> I'm just a simple user...
[23:32] <_Techie_> sweet
[23:33] <_Techie_> i figured it out
[23:33] <_Techie_> sweet
[23:34] <_Techie_> Sachse_Siechtum, do you want to watch that music video?
[23:35] <knome> charlie-tca, less is more, simple can be better than complex...
[23:36] <Sachse_Siechtum> _techi_ yes I tried with proxy in firefox but it didnt work...couldnt connect anywhere
[23:37] <_Techie_> Sachse_Siechtum, would you like to try mine
[23:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[23:37] <_Techie_> set your firefox to manual proxy
[23:37] <_Techie_> make sure al are empty except for socks
[23:37] <_Techie_> socks should read
[23:37] <_Techie_> s0.blackmage.co.uk
[23:37] <Sachse_Siechtum> I have foxy proxy :-)
[23:37] <_Techie_> port 1680
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> sock v4?
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> socks
[23:39] <_Techie_> v5
[23:39] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok testing..
[23:40] <Sachse_Siechtum> there is a video from nixie pixel I cant watch..
[23:40] <_Techie_> some things may not work
[23:40] <Kwales> Hi - Just tried installing 10.04 on my Dell Inspiron 1150 but it just goes to a blank screen after the splash Ubuntu red n white dots
[23:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> uhm...youtube doesnt load
[23:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> :-(
[23:41] <_Techie_> hrmm
[23:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> *sob*
[23:41] <_Techie_> i guess youtube uses other streaming methods
[23:42] <_Techie_> wait
[23:42] <_Techie_> i just got a vid loading on youtube through it
[23:42] <Sachse_Siechtum> well...its a bit a way ahead...gotta try some other proxies...
[23:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> and speaking of which: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GgeckQfIt4&playnext_from=TL&videos=gbeLUJOnLK0
[23:43] <Sachse_Siechtum> aaah. she is so adorable :-)
[23:44] <_Techie_> while proxy redirects are good, proxies via encrypted tunnels are better
[23:44] <Sachse_Siechtum> is there a site which has several of those?
[23:45] <_Techie_> Sachse_Siechtum, no.. if you want to do it properly you really gotta source your own
[23:46] <_Techie_> i once was running a socks proxy, encrypted in a ssh tunnel... which was encrypted in a https tunnel
[23:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> so I have to know someone from the US who tunnels his ip...
[23:46] <_Techie_> no
[23:46] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, *my head is spinning*
[23:46] <_Techie_> youve just gotta have access to a decent shell server and have sufficient access for what you want to do
[23:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> shell server?
[23:47] <knome> _Techie_, Sachse_Siechtum: consider continuing that discussion at #xubuntu-offtopic. thanks!:)
[23:47] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok
[23:49] <_Techie_> Sachse_Siechtum, what OS are you using?
[23:50] <_Techie_> ill show you how to make a ssh tunnel with a socks5 proxy
[23:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> _Techie_, uhm...Xubuntu lucid?
[23:50] <_Techie_> ill even give you the password to my blackmage shell
[23:50] <_Techie_> easy as pie
[23:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> uuuuh shiny! :-)
[23:50] <_Techie_> ima pm you, that alright?
[23:50] <Sachse_Siechtum> copy