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qensetedg: There is this bug report that says that if an application using KNotify is running the Application Indicators will disappear after a while. Do you have any idea how such a thing could happen?19:06
qenseIt's bug #56826219:06
ubot4Launchpad bug 568262 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "programs disappear from the applet (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/56826219:07
tedgqense: No, that seems a little crazy.19:07
qenseYeah, that's what I thought.19:07
qenseBut the reporter did confirm that not running a KNotify user did make the problem go away.19:07
qenseThe last comments seem to be unrelated to the bug.19:08
tedgqense: So they're running GNOME and KNotify?19:08
tedgThey must be fighting over the dbus name...19:08
qenseThey're running an application that implements KNotify and therefore should have the advantage of a natively drawn Indicator.19:08
qenseQuassel19:09
qensee.g.19:09
tedgAh, okay.  I thought they were running the KDE display component.19:09
qenseCould it be possible that Quassel launches the KNotify daemon?19:09
qenseTake a look at the XSession errors file!19:10
qense"knotify(2798) NotifyByPopup::slotServiceOwnerChanged: "org.freedesktop.Notifications" "" "_""19:10
tedgqense: In theory, it shouldn't.  As it should start notify OSD.19:10
qenseThe line before that: "kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/knotify4"19:10
tedgHmm, we might need to ask agateau about this one.  I'm not sure what's going on there.19:10
tedgHe's unfortunately off this week.19:10
qensetedg: The AppInd equivalent for KDE is called KDE StatusNotifier?19:11
tedgqense: That's the API... I'm not sure how it all connects together.  I think that it might all be in Plasma19:12
tedgI think that Plasma does all the display.19:12
qensebut KNotify is the just for the notification bubbles?19:12
qenseEverything's Plasma in KDE.19:12
tedgYeah, so I wonder if notify-osd isn't installed?19:12
qenseBut how could notification bubbles disrupt the Application Indicators?19:13
tedgNot sure.  My guess is that it cause Quassel to do something silly like look for the KDE implementation, which is causing a bug in AppIndicators.19:14
tedgIt's basically sending something we don't understand and error out.19:14
tedg(which, of course, is an error -- even if it's a hard to reproduce one)19:15
qensetedg: We'll ask agateau once he shows up again.19:17
tedgqense: We're sprinting next week, so ping me and I'll throw something at him :)19:18
qensewill do!19:18
OmegaActivity!19:59
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NafaiSo a indicator design question21:25
NafaiI want to write something that uses the messaging indicator, but it's a little unorthodox, and I was wondering the opinion21:25
NafaiI want to write a little application that will randomly display affirmations or whatever (able to be set by the user)21:25
NafaiI've done this in the past, with windows popping up reminding me of things like "Remember, take a break, stretch, and get a drink of water" or stuff like that21:26
Nafaibut I don't want it to be so intrusive21:26
Nafaiso an indicator would fit, but a new indicator seems like a waste of space21:26
Nafaiso I thought it would fit in the messaging, but it's not really a message from another person the way the others (email, IM, twitter, etc) are21:27
Nafaiwould that be too weird?21:27
Nafai(personal project, btw)21:27
DanRabbit_Nafai: I would think it would be better to just do a nice notify-send and leave it at that22:06
DanRabbit_I don't know that it would be necessary to take up space in the panel for this or that would ever want to read these more than in passing.22:07
Nafaihrm22:07
Nafaigood point22:07
DanRabbit_just my personal opinion though ;)22:07
Nafaihey, that's why I asked :)22:07
OmegaBut, if it's a personal project, I don't see why you shouldn't.22:08
* hyperair thinks we should have added a padding for all notification area icons and panel applets as well to make them more consistent with app indicators23:21

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