[19:06] <qense> tedg: There is this bug report that says that if an application using KNotify is running the Application Indicators will disappear after a while. Do you have any idea how such a thing could happen?
[19:06] <qense> It's bug #568262
[19:07] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 568262 in indicator-application (Ubuntu) "programs disappear from the applet (affects: 3) (heat: 18)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/568262
[19:07] <tedg> qense: No, that seems a little crazy.
[19:07] <qense> Yeah, that's what I thought.
[19:07] <qense> But the reporter did confirm that not running a KNotify user did make the problem go away.
[19:08] <qense> The last comments seem to be unrelated to the bug.
[19:08] <tedg> qense: So they're running GNOME and KNotify?
[19:08] <tedg> They must be fighting over the dbus name...
[19:08] <qense> They're running an application that implements KNotify and therefore should have the advantage of a natively drawn Indicator.
[19:09] <qense> Quassel
[19:09] <qense> e.g.
[19:09] <tedg> Ah, okay.  I thought they were running the KDE display component.
[19:09] <qense> Could it be possible that Quassel launches the KNotify daemon?
[19:10] <qense> Take a look at the XSession errors file!
[19:10] <qense> "knotify(2798) NotifyByPopup::slotServiceOwnerChanged: "org.freedesktop.Notifications" "" "_""
[19:10] <tedg> qense: In theory, it shouldn't.  As it should start notify OSD.
[19:10] <qense> The line before that: "kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/bin/knotify4"
[19:10] <tedg> Hmm, we might need to ask agateau about this one.  I'm not sure what's going on there.
[19:10] <tedg> He's unfortunately off this week.
[19:11] <qense> tedg: The AppInd equivalent for KDE is called KDE StatusNotifier?
[19:12] <tedg> qense: That's the API... I'm not sure how it all connects together.  I think that it might all be in Plasma
[19:12] <tedg> I think that Plasma does all the display.
[19:12] <qense> but KNotify is the just for the notification bubbles?
[19:12] <qense> Everything's Plasma in KDE.
[19:12] <tedg> Yeah, so I wonder if notify-osd isn't installed?
[19:13] <qense> But how could notification bubbles disrupt the Application Indicators?
[19:14] <tedg> Not sure.  My guess is that it cause Quassel to do something silly like look for the KDE implementation, which is causing a bug in AppIndicators.
[19:14] <tedg> It's basically sending something we don't understand and error out.
[19:15] <tedg> (which, of course, is an error -- even if it's a hard to reproduce one)
[19:17] <qense> tedg: We'll ask agateau once he shows up again.
[19:18] <tedg> qense: We're sprinting next week, so ping me and I'll throw something at him :)
[19:18] <qense> will do!
[19:59] <Omega> Activity!
[21:25] <Nafai> So a indicator design question
[21:25] <Nafai> I want to write something that uses the messaging indicator, but it's a little unorthodox, and I was wondering the opinion
[21:25] <Nafai> I want to write a little application that will randomly display affirmations or whatever (able to be set by the user)
[21:26] <Nafai> I've done this in the past, with windows popping up reminding me of things like "Remember, take a break, stretch, and get a drink of water" or stuff like that
[21:26] <Nafai> but I don't want it to be so intrusive
[21:26] <Nafai> so an indicator would fit, but a new indicator seems like a waste of space
[21:27] <Nafai> so I thought it would fit in the messaging, but it's not really a message from another person the way the others (email, IM, twitter, etc) are
[21:27] <Nafai> would that be too weird?
[21:27] <Nafai> (personal project, btw)
[22:06] <DanRabbit_> Nafai: I would think it would be better to just do a nice notify-send and leave it at that
[22:07] <DanRabbit_> I don't know that it would be necessary to take up space in the panel for this or that would ever want to read these more than in passing.
[22:07] <Nafai> hrm
[22:07] <Nafai> good point
[22:07] <DanRabbit_> just my personal opinion though ;)
[22:07] <Nafai> hey, that's why I asked :)
[22:08] <Omega> But, if it's a personal project, I don't see why you shouldn't.
[23:21]  * hyperair thinks we should have added a padding for all notification area icons and panel applets as well to make them more consistent with app indicators