[00:23] Hi guys and girls, I wondering how do I call on Kickoff and/or Lancelot within Dbus or any similar protocol? [00:30] oxymoron: qdbus org.kde.plasma-desktop /kickoff [00:35] Riddell: Thanks, do you know how to hide as well? :) [00:35] and maybe how it works for Lancelot? [00:36] no idea [00:37] Riddell: Alright and one more thing, does that dbus command require plasma? [00:38] well yes, since kickoff is part of plasma [00:39] Riddell: Does it work as a plasmoid? The reason I wonder is that I am trying to explain how it works for Cairo dock devs so they can implement app launchers in Cairo Dock :P [00:39] yes it's a plasmoid [00:41] Riddell: Alright and then how do you change the x and y position where the plasmoid should be show when calling dbus command for Kickoff? :) [00:42] oxymoron: I don't think you can [00:43] oxymoron: you can use javascript as an init or upgrade script if you want to do that [00:45] Riddell: Its possible for Lancelot like doing like this: "qdbus org.kde.lancelot /MainApplication org.kde.lancelot.App.show 10 150" [00:45] x=10 and Y=150 [00:47] http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79931 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === bladernr is now known as bladernr_ === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [04:35] Great job everyone on Lucid, you all did a smashing job. Thus far feedback and comments are looking promising [04:40] nixternal: I concur, it is early still but kubuntuforums is pretty quiet atm :) [05:45] Tm_T: Did you get a chance to test the final powerpc ISOs? [06:27] Nice. Strigi decides to update it's index while I'm runnng a data analysis script on a 1.2GB data file. Perfect time to suck up an entire CPU. [06:28] It's trying to save battery time by not using your CPU when your machine is otherwise idle :) [06:31] lol [06:34] It is somewhat interesting that this processing script was I/O bound on my last laptop that had a 5400 rpm hard drive and a two year old CPU, but is CPU bound on the new machine that has an SSD. [06:36] So the limitation is more about the hardware than the coding style? [06:41] Yes. Same code. [06:41] Nice work :) [06:51] nixternal: ping [07:09] Daskreech: pong [07:29] !grub [07:29] grub is the default boot manager for Ubuntu releases before Karmic (9.10). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - GRUB how-tos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto - See !grub2 for Karmic onwards. [09:29] ScottK: will try, though having family party today [09:29] If I dont activate proprietary nvidia driver then I cannot activate desktop effects and use OpenGL for Cairo Dock (Required for transparency), but IF I do then plymouth resolution of logo and everything is going blurry and noisy, that didnt happen before when nouveau took care of my resolution and all. Why does this happen? :S [09:32] Tm_T: ? :$ [09:46] This is weird, if I enable XRender instead of OpenGL everything works. But with OpenGL in system settings => desktop => advanced I cannot enable composite xD [09:47] errr, [09:48] err, how plymouth can be disabled? I'm bit lost [09:50] Tm_T: No, I dont want to disable plymouth. [09:51] oxymoron: I do [09:51] Tm_T: Aha okay :P [09:52] Tm_T: I dont know what happens if you just uninstall the packages, but if not you can change kernel settings to disable usplash or whatever it calls. [10:06] oxymoron: ye, got it now, plymouth package cannot be removed, it's part of whole boot process too tightly [10:10] lovely, so now that I disabled plymouth splash, I cannot see at all what fsck does, nor cannot still cancel it [10:10] sillyness [10:12] oh well... [10:32] time to start maverick? :) [10:46] oh no, 4.4.3 time [10:46] fun boot issues in u-devel [11:10] archive servers seem to be running slowly for some reason today === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [11:57] apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nixternal, seele bloggers of kubuntu go forth and big up 10.04 LTS! [12:19] * apachelogger was trying to fly with a skateboard like spyro the dragon, but crashed and got the ouchy now :'( [12:19] Riddell: cool [12:20] * Riddell wraps apachelogger up in bandages [12:21] http://imagebin.ca/view/htvnUTp.html [12:22] doesnt look that awful, but hurts like a monster :( [12:25] * Riddell scared to look [12:27] hehe [12:31] bit of Savlon, big sticking plaster and a nice hot chocolate you'll be as good as new [12:32] if only I had such fancy stuff, usually I avoid almost killing myself ;) [12:32] * apachelogger could go out for ice cream though [12:32] kubotu: weather graz, austria [12:33] Weather info for Graz, Austria (updated on 1:20 PM CEST on April 30, 2010); Temperature: 81 F / 27 C; Humidity: 26%; Dew Point: 43 F / 6 C; Wind: SSW at 4 mph / 6 km/h; Pressure: 29.89 in / 1012 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Clear; Yesterday's Heating Degree Days: 7 approx.; Sunrise: 5:44 AM CEST; Sunset: 8:07 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 10:55 PM CEST; Moon Set: 6:24 AM CEST; Moon Phase: Waning Gibbous [12:33] there, insanely hot [12:34] apachelogger: u're from graz? i will come there to see that town in 2 months =) [12:35] * apachelogger never understood why tourists would come to graz ;) [12:35] nookie^: make sure to give me a poke, we can grab ice cream or something :) [12:36] apachelogger: sure! it's a deal :) [12:41] Riddell: btw, did you try increasing the akonadi startup timeout? [12:41] oh jings I started that but didn't finish [12:41] only had a netbook and it takes a long time to compile [12:41] let me try again [12:43] Good work on the release page :D [12:51] so when do we start on maverick? [12:52] 4.4.3 first [12:52] although I'm working on kdevelop now [12:54] hehe :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening [13:55] small fun [13:55] http://www.isnichwahr.de/r93669906-smart-phone-domino.html [14:02] !ninjas [14:02] Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening [14:02] KDE 4.4.3 needs packaging [14:02] :) [14:03] ~ninjas [14:03] apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave! [14:04] rgreening: want to do the honours and clean up https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging ? [14:06] * Riddell uploads kdevelop 4.0.0 to ppa backports [14:06] am tempted to upload to real backports too [14:08] * ScottK is travelling today, so won't be much help on packaging. [14:08] The way I see it, new packages in -backports can't hurt anything [14:09] Absolutely. [14:09] I shall make it sew [14:11] Riddell: For kdevelop I think waiving the "must be in the development release first" rule is reasonable. [14:19] Do we have anything in the specs regarding standalone QtWebKit ? [14:20] JontheEchidna: we have a qt packaging review spec for our special guest stars Thiago and Jorgen from Qt [14:21] ooh, celebs at UDS [14:21] Riddell: We should probably try to get fabo to particpate remotely in that one. [14:23] batcave wiki cleared out [14:25] are the upgrade serves bogged down? i've failed getting packages for upgrade twice now :( [14:25] quite probable [14:26] Not uncommon for the few days after release. You might be able to find a mirror that isn't too shabby. [14:27] In fact, I believe the "select best server" feature in the software sources editor works this release, thanks to amichair :) === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [14:27] JontheEchidna: what does "Upload to kubuntu-s with ~ppa1 " mean? [14:27] oops, that's a result of overaggressive text replacement in kate ;) [14:28] should be kubuntu-ninjas [14:28] and I'd edit it, but the wiki is being slow [14:29] JontheEchidna: I don't think we want to package it for karmic, so I'd remove that section [14:29] ok [14:29] though we don't really have anything to do for maverick yet, so it'd wouldn't be in the way [14:30] but I do suppose we want people to upgrade to 10.04 LTS ;-) [14:30] or call it "optional" [14:30] sounds good [14:34] My dad's office has pretty good pipes: 525.7KB/s [14:36] JontheEchidna: just what our torrents need [15:20] apachelogger, Nightrose: who's Robert Frießleben and do I want to be his friend? [15:21] Riddell: kubuntu.de guy iirc [15:23] Nightrose: how about David Watson ? [15:23] no wrong one [15:23] don't think i've heard of him [15:23] Nightrose: how about Leonardo Finetti ? [15:23] kde bugs guy [15:23] finex is his nick [15:23] not seen him around lately though === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:08] Hey, I've installed Kubuntu 10.04 and it seems that QGraphicsScenes no longer work in QT/C++ [16:09] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/G2UcS8u0 [16:09] There is some code [16:10] http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6if9d77b [16:10] That's the error message [16:12] That error message is unrelated to your problems, and should be fairly harmless. [16:13] The QGraphicsScene is created but the error message wasn't there in Kubuntu 09.10 [16:13] basically it's looking for the ibus input method (used to insert characters of other languges) but isn't finding it since you presumably don't have a need for ibus [16:17] Okay, thanks [16:18] a bit annoying that it has to give that message, but should be harmless otherwise [16:19] Yeah, if I install ibus-daemon and run it the error message doesn't appear [16:40] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/bluedevil/ new KDE bluetooth bits [16:41] neat [16:42] lots of cool things are cooking in kde playground [16:42] print-manager, libqapt and now bluedevil [16:58] Riddell: I was going to wait on the blog post originally, try to get it so we have at least 1 Kubuntu release post on the planet, but I was just thinking, if we flood the planet, ooh that would be fun :) [16:58] I will work up a post today on it, that way there I get it on p.u.c and pk.o [17:02] * JontheEchidna goes off camping for the weekend [17:02] was gonna tell him to have fun...camping sounds fun === vorian_ is now known as vorian === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:04] I luv working on Kubuntu... we get a new Lucid followed by an immediate upgrade for KDE :) haha [18:05] and this time we should be able to put in proper updates archive and not use PPA's! [18:05] * rgreening assumes [18:17] * rgreening thinks Riddell needs to remember to update bzr :) [18:17] * rgreening pokes him [18:17] :) [18:18] Riddell: do you have an uncommitted bzr for kdebase-workspace sitting on your system? Seems version 14 was pushed but not in bzr [18:25] is it me, or is the 'kubuntu 10.04 lts...is here!' image on the homepage look really blurry? [18:30] nixternal: it's got a shadowed/fuzzy edge for sure. [18:31] nixternal: almost like the ink is bleeding through paper [18:33] yeah, i can't look at it for long, my eyes start to cross :) [18:35] maybe its in Real3D, and you need the glasses nixternal. [18:41] Could someone explain to me why I got error message outputs in Konsole while I am using it? :S I got messages like this: "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-oxymoron" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." and "/usr/bin/dolphin(11568)" Error in thread 139996565296912 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files" [18:41] i have those glasses too...my dad was at NAB 2 weeks ago and brought back a few pair [18:42] oxymoron: did you fire off an app from within konsole? [18:42] nixternal: Nope [18:43] hrmm...you just started konsole from the menu or alt+f2 and it does that? [18:43] nixternal: Yes :S [18:43] wow, that is a weird deal... [18:43] * nixternal fires up konsole [18:43] nixternal: Its really annoying because it just output a lot of text randomly while I am using the terminal myself :S [18:44] I use Yakuake all of the time, which is just Konsole, but a quake style terminal emulator version of it [18:44] nixternal: Another weird and freaking weird thing is that not even apache2 works with permissions anymore. It seems all permissions got **************** up when changed /home to another partition :S [18:44] does it happen every time? does it happen when you first start it up, or do you have to use it for a while [18:44] nixternal: It happens randomly [18:45] hrmm [18:45] # /home was on /dev/sda2 during installation [18:45] UUID=ec515c21-a2be-4823-b861-1149f086a13f /home ext4 defaults 0 2 [18:45] Thats from fstab, is it correct? [18:46] nixternal: I must say I really hate permissions in Linux because they NEVER work as I want them. [18:46] ok then...the odd thing is the whole thing about dolphin...but if you are doing something, and say something is triggered in your ~/.bashrc and it isn't able to execute it and has an error, it does let you know, and in this case it is definitely file permission issue..which I guess you say might have happened when changing /home to another partition...as for the dolphin and nepomuk messages..i have no clue why those would be in there [18:47] UUID=cb114d5f-7db3-4064-b2a9-020423d37bc6 /home ext4 defaults 0 2 [18:47] yeah, looks like mine too [18:47] alright, goodie then its not anything with fstab or so. [18:47] And yes perimission issue thats for sure. [18:48] hwo did you go about moving /home to another partition? [18:48] nixternal: I choosed /home with a clean isntall of Kubuntu 10.04, so didnt move it. [18:49] nixternal: Something with groups or user permissions error, what permissions should / home have? [18:50] drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 2010-03-10 13:44 home [18:50] ---- /home is owned by me apparently, but hsouldnt it be userID 0 (root user)? :P [18:50] nixternal: Alright, how do I change /home to root:root? [18:50] do we package 4.4.3 in bzr? [18:50] drwx------ 71 nixternal nixternal 12288 2010-04-30 12:50 nixternal [18:51] nixternal: What command to check that btw? [18:51] ls -l / [18:51] for home [18:51] and [18:51] ls -l /home/ [18:51] to see for your user directory [18:51] nixternal: Hmm: "drwxr-xr-x 5 oxymoron oxymoron 4096 2010-04-29 22:19 home" [18:51] drwx------ 37 oxymoron oxymoron 12288 2010-04-30 19:10 oxymoron [18:52] ls -l /tmp [18:52] drwx------ 10 nixternal nixternal 4096 2010-04-30 02:33 kdecache-nixternal [18:52] nixternal: I am not sure but I think I might changed group for /home folder to myself before, but how to change back? :P [18:53] chown root:root /home [18:53] sudo chown root:root /home [18:53] can't forget that sudo :) [18:53] Hehe i forgot it to when doing the command xD [18:53] though, I don't think that is all that important, but I am not 110% positive on that...when you create users anyways, you use elevated priviledges, so it doesn't matter, I would think, who owns /home [18:54] is kdecache-oxymoron owned by you in /tmp? [18:55] drwx------ 9 oxymoron oxymoron 4096 2010-04-30 19:55 kdecache-oxymoron [18:56] and in /var/tmp I presume :P [18:56] err [18:56] yeah, my mistake there [18:56] nixternal: This is freaking annoying, whats left to try? :S [18:58] dunno, you might want to hop into either #kubuntu or #ubuntu...i think you might get better answers from someone in #ubuntu though concerning the file permission stuff...i haven't done much sys admin stuff in more than 10 years, so without googling left and right, i feel i am a bit useless here [18:59] nixternal: They never answer in #kubuntu anyway :P But I think I have correct permissions now, but still doesnt work :S [19:00] type this in konsole [19:00] id [19:00] what does it say? [19:01] nixternal: "uid=1000(oxymoron) gid=1000(oxymoron) grupper=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105(lpadmin),115(admin),116(sambashare),1000(oxymoron)" [19:01] ok, that is correct [19:01] you aren't starting konsole like: [19:01] sudo konsole [19:01] are you? [19:01] nixternal: Nope [19:01] or: sudo dolphin [19:01] sudo dolphin one time earlier. [19:02] muhahaha [19:02] don't use sudo with GUI apps [19:02] use kdesudo [19:02] why so? :P [19:03] I don't know the entire reasoning behind it, but i know that is how it is supposed to be [19:03] Hmm nobody answer in ubuntu either, its pure anarchy chaos in there :D [19:04] I try to reboot computer, helps sometimes in hard times .D [19:04] * oxymoron is brb [19:23] nixternal: why is because of things like your .kde getting screwed up permissions if you use sudo but not if you use kdesudo [19:39] maco: don't know the answer to that 100%...I don't ever fire off apps with kdesudo...i used to know back in the dapper days when we were dealing with kdesudo vs. kdesu [20:00] kdesudo can set proper env vars that sudo does not export. [20:01] without the export, you get screwed up files/permissions in your home dir === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [20:38] nixternal: i was giving you the "why" :P i wasnt asking a question [20:38] nixternal: cuz you said you didnt know why kdesudo was better === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [21:09] rgreening_: kdebase-workspace failed to build === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [22:02] rgreening_: sorry, was a bit confused, no problem there :) [22:06] * neversfelde just realized that there is a difference between kdepimlibs and kdepim-runtime [22:06] not my day, it seems [23:52] rgreening_: now it really failed :) [23:53] * neversfelde is a visionary [23:55] ooh it's out [23:55] congratulations everyone