[00:23] <oxymoron> Hi guys and girls, I wondering how do I call on Kickoff and/or Lancelot within Dbus or any similar protocol?
[00:30] <Riddell> oxymoron: qdbus org.kde.plasma-desktop /kickoff
[00:35] <oxymoron> Riddell: Thanks, do you know how to hide as well? :)
[00:35] <oxymoron> and maybe how it works for Lancelot?
[00:36] <Riddell> no idea
[00:37] <oxymoron> Riddell: Alright and one more thing, does that dbus command require plasma?
[00:38] <Riddell> well yes, since kickoff is part of plasma
[00:39] <oxymoron> Riddell: Does it work as a plasmoid? The reason I wonder is that I am trying to explain how it works for Cairo dock devs so they can implement app launchers in Cairo Dock :P
[00:39] <Riddell> yes it's a plasmoid
[00:41] <oxymoron> Riddell: Alright and then how do you change the x and y position where the plasmoid should be show when calling dbus command for Kickoff? :)
[00:42] <Riddell> oxymoron: I don't think you can
[00:43] <Riddell> oxymoron: you can use javascript as an init or upgrade script if you want to do that
[00:45] <oxymoron> Riddell: Its possible for Lancelot like doing like this: "qdbus org.kde.lancelot /MainApplication org.kde.lancelot.App.show 10 150"
[00:45] <oxymoron> x=10 and Y=150
[00:47] <oxymoron> http://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=79931
[04:35] <nixternal> Great job everyone on Lucid, you all did a smashing job. Thus far feedback and comments are looking promising
[04:40] <claydoh> nixternal: I concur, it is early still but kubuntuforums is pretty quiet atm :)
[05:45] <ScottK> Tm_T: Did you get a chance to test the final powerpc ISOs?
[06:27] <ScottK> Nice.  Strigi decides to update it's index while I'm runnng a data analysis script on a 1.2GB data file.  Perfect time to suck up an entire CPU.
[06:28] <persia> It's trying to save battery time by not using your CPU when your machine is otherwise idle :)
[06:31] <imbrandon> lol
[06:34] <ScottK> It is somewhat interesting that this processing script was I/O bound on my last laptop that had a 5400 rpm hard drive and a two year old CPU, but is CPU bound on the new machine that has an SSD.
[06:36] <persia> So the limitation is more about the hardware than the coding style?
[06:41] <ScottK> Yes.  Same code.
[06:41] <persia> Nice work :)
[06:51] <Daskreech> nixternal: ping
[07:09] <nixternal> Daskreech: pong
[07:29] <jussi> !grub
[09:29] <Tm_T> ScottK: will try, though having family party today
[09:29] <oxymoron> If I dont activate proprietary nvidia driver then I cannot activate desktop effects and use OpenGL for Cairo Dock (Required for transparency), but IF I do then plymouth resolution of logo and everything is going blurry and noisy, that didnt happen before when nouveau took care of my resolution and all. Why does this happen? :S
[09:32] <oxymoron> Tm_T: ? :$
[09:46] <oxymoron> This is weird, if I enable XRender instead of OpenGL everything works. But with OpenGL in system settings => desktop => advanced I cannot enable composite xD
[09:47] <Tm_T> errr,
[09:48] <Tm_T> err, how plymouth can be disabled? I'm bit lost
[09:50] <oxymoron> Tm_T: No, I dont want to disable plymouth.
[09:51] <Tm_T> oxymoron: I do
[09:51] <oxymoron> Tm_T: Aha okay :P
[09:52] <oxymoron> Tm_T: I dont know what happens if you just uninstall the packages, but if not you can change kernel settings to disable usplash or whatever it calls.
[10:06] <Tm_T> oxymoron: ye, got it now, plymouth package cannot be removed, it's part of whole boot process too tightly
[10:10] <Tm_T> lovely, so now that I disabled plymouth splash, I cannot see at all what fsck does, nor cannot still cancel it
[10:10] <Tm_T> sillyness
[10:12] <Tm_T> oh well...
[10:32] <Riddell> time to start maverick? :)
[10:46] <Riddell> oh no, 4.4.3 time
[10:46] <Tm_T> fun boot issues in u-devel
[11:10] <Riddell> archive servers seem to be running slowly for some reason today
[11:57] <Riddell> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nixternal, seele bloggers of kubuntu go forth and big up 10.04 LTS!
[12:19]  * apachelogger was trying to fly with a skateboard like spyro the dragon, but crashed and got the ouchy now :'(
[12:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool
[12:20]  * Riddell wraps apachelogger up in bandages
[12:21] <apachelogger> http://imagebin.ca/view/htvnUTp.html
[12:22] <apachelogger> doesnt look that awful, but hurts like a monster :(
[12:25]  * Riddell scared to look
[12:27] <apachelogger> hehe
[12:31] <Riddell> bit of Savlon, big sticking plaster and a nice hot chocolate you'll be as good as new
[12:32] <apachelogger> if only I had such fancy stuff, usually I avoid almost killing myself ;)
[12:32]  * apachelogger could go out for ice cream though
[12:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: weather graz, austria
[12:33] <kubotu> Weather info for Graz, Austria (updated on 1:20 PM CEST on April 30, 2010); Temperature: 81 F / 27 C; Humidity: 26%; Dew Point: 43 F / 6 C; Wind: SSW at 4 mph / 6 km/h; Pressure: 29.89 in / 1012 hPa (Steady); Conditions: Clear; Yesterday's Heating Degree Days: 7 approx.; Sunrise: 5:44 AM CEST; Sunset: 8:07 PM CEST; Moon Rise: 10:55 PM CEST; Moon Set: 6:24 AM CEST; Moon Phase: Waning Gibbous
[12:33] <apachelogger> there, insanely hot
[12:34] <nookie^> apachelogger: u're from graz? i will come there to see that town in 2 months =)
[12:35]  * apachelogger never understood why tourists would come to graz ;)
[12:35] <apachelogger> nookie^: make sure to give me a poke, we can grab ice cream or something :)
[12:36] <nookie^> apachelogger: sure! it's a deal :)
[12:41] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, did you try increasing the akonadi startup timeout?
[12:41] <Riddell> oh jings I started that but didn't finish
[12:41] <Riddell> only had a netbook and it takes a long time to compile
[12:41] <Riddell> let me try again
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Good work on the release page :D
[12:51] <shadeslayer> so when do we start on maverick?
[12:52] <Riddell> 4.4.3 first
[12:52] <Riddell> although I'm working on kdevelop now
[12:54] <shadeslayer> hehe :)
[13:55] <ghostcube> small fun
[13:55] <ghostcube> http://www.isnichwahr.de/r93669906-smart-phone-domino.html
[14:02] <rgreening> !ninjas
[14:02] <rgreening> KDE 4.4.3 needs packaging
[14:02] <rgreening> :)
[14:03] <Riddell> ~ninjas
[14:03] <kubotu> apachelogger, JontheEchidna, Lex79, neversfelde, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, nixternal and Quintasan ... to the Batcave!
[14:04] <Riddell> rgreening: want to do the honours and clean up https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging ?
[14:06]  * Riddell uploads kdevelop 4.0.0 to ppa backports
[14:06] <Riddell> am tempted to upload to real backports too
[14:08]  * ScottK is travelling today, so won't be much help on packaging.
[14:08] <JontheEchidna> The way I see it, new packages in -backports can't hurt anything
[14:09] <ScottK> Absolutely.
[14:09] <Riddell> I shall make it sew
[14:11] <ScottK> Riddell: For kdevelop I think waiving the "must be in the development release first" rule is reasonable.
[14:19] <JontheEchidna> Do we have anything in the specs regarding standalone QtWebKit ?
[14:20] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: we have a qt packaging review spec for our special guest stars Thiago and Jorgen from Qt
[14:21] <JontheEchidna> ooh, celebs at UDS
[14:21] <ScottK> Riddell: We should probably try to get fabo to particpate remotely in that one.
[14:23] <JontheEchidna> batcave wiki cleared out
[14:25] <seele> are the upgrade serves bogged down? i've failed getting packages for upgrade twice now :(
[14:25] <Riddell> quite probable
[14:26] <JontheEchidna> Not uncommon for the few days after release. You might be able to find a mirror that isn't too shabby.
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> In fact, I believe the "select best server" feature in the software sources editor works this release, thanks to amichair :)
[14:27] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: what does "Upload to kubuntu-s with ~ppa1 " mean?
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> oops, that's a result of overaggressive text replacement in kate ;)
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> should be kubuntu-ninjas
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> and I'd edit it, but the wiki is being slow
[14:29] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: I don't think we want to package it for karmic, so I'd remove that section
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> ok
[14:29] <JontheEchidna> though we don't really have anything to do for maverick yet, so it'd wouldn't be in the way
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> but I do suppose we want people to upgrade to 10.04 LTS ;-)
[14:30] <Riddell> or call it "optional"
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> sounds good
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> My dad's office has pretty good pipes: 525.7KB/s
[14:36] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: just what our torrents need
[15:20] <Riddell> apachelogger, Nightrose: who's Robert Frießleben and do I want to be his friend?
[15:21] <Nightrose> Riddell: kubuntu.de guy iirc
[15:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: how about David Watson  ?
[15:23] <Riddell> no wrong one
[15:23] <Nightrose> don't think i've heard of him
[15:23] <Riddell> Nightrose: how about Leonardo Finetti ?
[15:23] <Nightrose> kde bugs guy
[15:23] <Nightrose> finex is his nick
[15:23] <Nightrose> not seen him around lately though
[16:08] <kieren> Hey, I've installed Kubuntu 10.04 and it seems that QGraphicsScenes no longer work in QT/C++
[16:09] <kieren> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/G2UcS8u0
[16:09] <kieren> There is some code
[16:10] <kieren> http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/6if9d77b
[16:10] <kieren> That's the error message
[16:12] <JontheEchidna> That error message is unrelated to your problems, and should be fairly harmless.
[16:13] <kieren> The QGraphicsScene is created but the error message wasn't there in Kubuntu 09.10
[16:13] <JontheEchidna> basically it's looking for the ibus input method (used to insert characters of other languges) but isn't finding it since you presumably don't have a need for ibus
[16:17] <kieren> Okay, thanks
[16:18] <JontheEchidna> a bit annoying that it has to give that message, but should be harmless otherwise
[16:19] <kieren> Yeah, if I install ibus-daemon and run it the error message doesn't appear
[16:40] <Riddell> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/kdereview/bluedevil/  new KDE bluetooth bits
[16:41] <JontheEchidna> neat
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> lots of cool things are cooking in kde playground
[16:42] <JontheEchidna> print-manager, libqapt and now bluedevil
[16:58] <nixternal> Riddell: I was going to wait on the blog post originally, try to get it so we have at least 1 Kubuntu release post on the planet, but I was just thinking, if we flood the planet, ooh that would be fun :)
[16:58] <nixternal> I will work up a post today on it, that way there I get it on p.u.c and pk.o
[17:02]  * JontheEchidna goes off camping for the weekend
[17:02] <nixternal> was gonna tell him to have fun...camping sounds fun
[18:04] <rgreening> I luv working on Kubuntu... we get a new Lucid followed by an immediate upgrade for KDE :) haha
[18:05] <rgreening> and this time we should be able to put in proper updates archive and not use PPA's!
[18:05]  * rgreening assumes
[18:17]  * rgreening thinks Riddell needs to remember to update bzr :)
[18:17]  * rgreening pokes him
[18:17] <rgreening> :)
[18:18] <rgreening> Riddell: do you have an uncommitted bzr for kdebase-workspace sitting on your system? Seems version 14 was pushed but not in bzr
[18:25] <nixternal> is it me, or is the 'kubuntu 10.04 lts...is here!' image on the homepage look really blurry?
[18:30] <rgreening> nixternal: it's got a shadowed/fuzzy edge for sure.
[18:31] <rgreening> nixternal: almost like the ink is bleeding through paper
[18:33] <nixternal> yeah, i can't look at it for long, my eyes start to cross :)
[18:35] <rgreening> maybe its in Real3D, and you need the glasses nixternal.
[18:41] <oxymoron> Could someone explain to me why I got error message outputs in Konsole while I am using it? :S I got messages like this: "Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-oxymoron" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0." and "/usr/bin/dolphin(11568)" Error in thread 139996565296912 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"
[18:41] <nixternal> i have those glasses too...my dad was at NAB 2 weeks ago and brought back a few pair
[18:42] <nixternal> oxymoron: did you fire off an app from within konsole?
[18:42] <oxymoron> nixternal: Nope
[18:43] <nixternal> hrmm...you just started konsole from the menu or alt+f2 and it does that?
[18:43] <oxymoron> nixternal: Yes :S
[18:43] <nixternal> wow, that is a weird deal...
[18:43]  * nixternal fires up konsole
[18:43] <oxymoron> nixternal: Its really annoying because it just output a lot of text randomly while I am using the terminal myself :S
[18:44] <nixternal> I use Yakuake all of the time, which is just Konsole, but a quake style terminal emulator version of it
[18:44] <oxymoron> nixternal: Another weird and freaking weird thing is that not even apache2 works with permissions anymore. It seems all permissions got **************** up when changed /home to another partition :S
[18:44] <nixternal> does it happen every time? does it happen when you first start it up, or do you have to use it for a while
[18:44] <oxymoron> nixternal: It happens randomly
[18:45] <nixternal> hrmm
[18:45] <oxymoron> # /home was on /dev/sda2 during installation
[18:45] <oxymoron> UUID=ec515c21-a2be-4823-b861-1149f086a13f /home           ext4    defaults        0       2
[18:45] <oxymoron> Thats from fstab, is it correct?
[18:46] <oxymoron> nixternal: I must say I really hate permissions in Linux because they NEVER work as I want them.
[18:46] <nixternal> ok then...the odd thing is the whole thing about dolphin...but if you are doing something, and say something is triggered in your ~/.bashrc and it isn't able to execute it and has an error, it does let you know, and in this case it is definitely file permission issue..which I guess you say might have happened when changing /home to another partition...as for the dolphin and nepomuk messages..i have no clue why those would be in there
[18:47] <nixternal> UUID=cb114d5f-7db3-4064-b2a9-020423d37bc6 /home           ext4    defaults        0       2
[18:47] <nixternal> yeah, looks like mine too
[18:47] <oxymoron> alright, goodie then its not anything with fstab or so.
[18:47] <oxymoron> And yes perimission issue thats for sure.
[18:48] <nixternal> hwo did you go about moving /home to another partition?
[18:48] <oxymoron> nixternal: I choosed /home with a clean isntall of Kubuntu 10.04, so didnt move it.
[18:49] <oxymoron> nixternal: Something with groups or user permissions error, what permissions should / home have?
[18:50] <nixternal> drwxr-xr-x   5 root root  4096 2010-03-10 13:44 home
[18:50] <oxymoron>    ---- /home is owned by me apparently, but hsouldnt it be userID 0 (root user)? :P
[18:50] <oxymoron> nixternal: Alright, how do I change /home to root:root?
[18:50] <neversfelde> do we package 4.4.3 in bzr?
[18:50] <nixternal> drwx------ 71 nixternal nixternal 12288 2010-04-30 12:50 nixternal
[18:51] <oxymoron> nixternal: What command to check that btw?
[18:51] <nixternal> ls -l /
[18:51] <nixternal> for home
[18:51] <nixternal> and
[18:51] <nixternal> ls -l /home/
[18:51] <nixternal> to see for your user directory
[18:51] <oxymoron> nixternal: Hmm: "drwxr-xr-x   5 oxymoron oxymoron  4096 2010-04-29 22:19 home"
[18:51] <oxymoron> drwx------ 37 oxymoron oxymoron 12288 2010-04-30 19:10 oxymoron
[18:52] <nixternal> ls -l /tmp
[18:52] <nixternal> drwx------ 10 nixternal nixternal 4096 2010-04-30 02:33 kdecache-nixternal
[18:52] <oxymoron> nixternal: I am not sure but I think I might changed group for /home folder to myself before, but how to change back? :P
[18:53] <nixternal> chown root:root /home
[18:53] <nixternal> sudo chown root:root /home
[18:53] <nixternal> can't forget that sudo :)
[18:53] <oxymoron> Hehe i forgot it to when doing the command xD
[18:53] <nixternal> though, I don't think that is all that important, but I am not 110% positive on that...when you create users anyways, you use elevated priviledges, so it doesn't matter, I would think, who owns /home
[18:54] <nixternal> is kdecache-oxymoron owned by you in /tmp?
[18:55] <oxymoron> drwx------ 9 oxymoron oxymoron 4096 2010-04-30 19:55 kdecache-oxymoron
[18:56] <oxymoron> and in /var/tmp I presume :P
[18:56] <nixternal> err
[18:56] <nixternal> yeah, my mistake there
[18:56] <oxymoron> nixternal: This is freaking annoying, whats left to try? :S
[18:58] <nixternal> dunno, you might want to hop into either #kubuntu or #ubuntu...i think you might get better answers from someone in #ubuntu though concerning the file permission stuff...i haven't done much sys admin stuff in more than 10 years, so without googling left and right, i feel i am a bit useless here
[18:59] <oxymoron> nixternal: They never answer in #kubuntu anyway :P But I think I have correct permissions now, but still doesnt work :S
[19:00] <nixternal> type this in konsole
[19:00] <nixternal> id
[19:00] <nixternal> what does it say?
[19:01] <oxymoron> nixternal: "uid=1000(oxymoron) gid=1000(oxymoron) grupper=4(adm),20(dialout),24(cdrom),46(plugdev),105(lpadmin),115(admin),116(sambashare),1000(oxymoron)"
[19:01] <nixternal> ok, that is correct
[19:01] <nixternal> you aren't starting konsole like:
[19:01] <nixternal> sudo konsole
[19:01] <nixternal> are you?
[19:01] <oxymoron> nixternal: Nope
[19:01] <nixternal> or: sudo dolphin
[19:01] <oxymoron> sudo dolphin one time earlier.
[19:02] <nixternal> muhahaha
[19:02] <nixternal> don't use sudo with GUI apps
[19:02] <nixternal> use kdesudo
[19:02] <oxymoron> why so? :P
[19:03] <nixternal> I don't know the entire reasoning behind it, but i know that is how it is supposed to be
[19:03] <oxymoron> Hmm nobody answer in ubuntu either, its pure anarchy chaos in there :D
[19:04] <oxymoron> I try to reboot computer, helps sometimes in hard times .D
[19:04]  * oxymoron is brb
[19:23] <maco> nixternal: why is because of things like your .kde getting screwed up permissions if you use sudo but not if you use kdesudo
[19:39] <nixternal> maco: don't know the answer to that 100%...I don't ever fire off apps with kdesudo...i used to know back in the dapper days when we were dealing with kdesudo vs. kdesu
[20:00] <rgreening> kdesudo can set proper env vars that sudo does not export.
[20:01] <rgreening> without the export, you get screwed up files/permissions in your home dir
[20:38] <maco> nixternal: i was giving you the "why" :P i wasnt asking a question
[20:38] <maco> nixternal: cuz you said you didnt know why kdesudo was better
[21:09] <neversfelde> rgreening_: kdebase-workspace failed to build
[22:02] <neversfelde> rgreening_: sorry, was a bit confused, no problem there :)
[22:06]  * neversfelde just realized that there is a difference between kdepimlibs and kdepim-runtime
[22:06] <neversfelde> not my day, it seems
[23:52] <neversfelde> rgreening_: now it really failed :)
[23:53]  * neversfelde is a visionary
[23:55] <yuriy> ooh it's out
[23:55] <yuriy> congratulations everyone