/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/30/#kubuntu.txt

James147	yofel: think it was jsut before it was anounced	00:00
yofel	ah wait	00:00
yofel	we're talking about kubuntu (headdesk)	00:00
amichair	if I have karmic with binary from nvidia site, what do I need to do to upgrade? release notes say something about upstream drivers no longer working - ?	00:00
yofel	yeah, there were a few updates to the installer that shouldn't affect kubuntu much though	00:00
James147	muffin2: have you rebooted since the problems started?	00:01
yofel	x/ubuntu isos were rebuilt today to fix a grave grub/installer issue relevant for them, kubuntu seems to be unaffected by it	00:01
muffin2	James147 : I did it several times.	00:01
muffin2	It happens each time	00:01
benkevan	muffin: what's the problem?	00:01
yofel	muffin2: and you can login in a tty?	00:02
benkevan	I'm running Kubuntu right now.. but I have to say (honestly) I think openSUSE is the best KDE distro	00:02
muffin2	yofel : yes I can	00:02
benkevan	muffin2: What's the issue?	00:02
muffin2	benkevan : After I log out on kubuntu, there is no KDM but just a black screen.	00:02
muffin2	I have to press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to enter tty1.	00:03
muffin2	This is kubuntu 10.04 published today.	00:03
benkevan	That's quite retarded.. on a new installation?	00:03
yofel	muffin2: can you try 'sudo kdm restart' there next time to see if that helps, and save the /var/log/Xorg.0.log the moment it shows the black screen?	00:03
muffin2	benkevan : It's a new stable version of kubuntu published today.	00:03
benkevan	I know.. but is it a new installation? an upgrade?	00:03
muffin2	yofel : I better save /var/log/Xorg.0.log before typing sudo kdm restart	00:04
yofel	yes	00:04
muffin2	benkevan : It's a brand new installation	00:04
yofel	this shouldn't happen, but now that it does it would help to know why it happens	00:04
muffin2	man	00:06
muffin2	yofel : "sudo kdm restart" results in nothing.	00:07
yofel	argh, I should go to bed... 'sudo service kdm restart' - sorry man	00:08
benkevan	sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart :D	00:10
muffin2	Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting	00:11
muffin2	Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support	00:11
muffin2	at http://wiki.x.org	00:11
muffin2	for help.	00:11
FloodBotK1	muffin2: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	00:11
muffin2	oops	00:11
dominicdinada	.	00:11
muffin2	Is OpenSUSE better than ubuntu?	00:11
yofel	o.O	00:11
James147	!best \| muffin2	00:12
ubottu	muffin2: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.	00:12
yofel	muffin2: depends, kde should be the same, this sounds like a graphics driver issue or something like that	00:12
muffin2	yofel : It's sun virtualbox	00:12
yofel	benkevan: that's deprecated since karmic	00:12
dominicdinada	how do I add the command line run textbox to the taskbar ?	00:12
dominicdinada	what is the widget name ?	00:13
RnFstRuckHrd	Okay so laptop just finished its upgrade - did the reboot and now it will show the Kubuntu splash screen for a split second (with really grainy, pixelated graphics and colors) and then the screen goes black. Nothing after that. Any thoughts?	00:13
yofel	hm, we did have a bunch of issues with virtualbox during lucid testing, might be one of them	00:13
Ellhound`Laptop	is there any easy way to change primary display on kubuntu?	00:13
RnFstRuckHrd	upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 by the way and it is a Dell 700M with onboard graphics and 1Gb of RAM	00:13
muffin2	I should go back to ubuntu or to opensuse.	00:14
benkevan	oh.. haha.. new back to ubuntu since.. 7.10	00:14
benkevan	or was it 6.04 .. can't really remember.. been a while	00:14
yofel	benkevan: we're replacing sys-v-init with upstart, 'sudo service <servicename> <action>' can handle both types of init scripts	00:15
yofel	while the transition isn't finished	00:15
Zhenya	w00t upgrading to 10.04 :D	00:15
muffin2	Ot	00:15
Zhenya	i am really surprised that this was released the same day as ubuntu. I guess i misunderstood the relationship between Kubuntu and ubuntu	00:16
muffin2	It's time to try debian!!	00:16
yofel	actually /etc/init.d/kdm restart still works through a compatibility layer, dunno for how long though	00:16
benkevan	oooh.. about time.. :o) .. then i won't get confused if I'm on Ubuntu vs RedHat HAHA	00:16
Zhenya	benkevan: ahhahah thats the reason i went with Kubuntu cause it looked so much more modern :D	00:16
yofel	Zhenya: kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE, we can't release kubuntu with finished KDE but unstable base system ;)	00:16
muffin2	yofel : are you a kubuntu developer?	00:17
yofel	no, alpha tester	00:17
Zhenya	yofel: agreed. I thought that it would take y'all a while to push out K 10.04 after the U 10.04 was released	00:17
muffin2	yofel : And I'm a late adopter.	00:17
Sleeper	man its just linux, there are many cool things in life to do ( not win)	00:17
Zhenya	looks like the servers are getting HAMMERED with upgrades	00:18
Zhenya	i'm @ 42kBs	00:18
Sleeper	HAHA	00:18
smokealot	fuck yeah!	00:18
muffin2	:er	00:18
Sleeper	YOU BNET	00:18
Zhenya	Sleeper: WAT	00:18
smokealot	i was getting 4/MB then it bombed to 212kBs	00:18
smokealot	why!	00:18
yofel	Zhenya: just use a different mirror, using the main server on release day isn't a good idea :P	00:18
Sleeper	ok sorry its ql	00:18
tsimpson	!language \| smokealot	00:18
ubottu	smokealot: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	00:18
Zhenya	yofel: i have no idea how to swtich, i;m in the gui upgrade	00:19
smokealot	sorry	00:19
oxymoron	yofel: Sorry I didnt answer directly, my girlfriend called me on my phone and was afraid of something unlogical had happened with things falling down on the floor, some ghosts or something unlogical that couldnt be explained.	00:19
Zhenya	smokealot: you apologized to a bot	00:19
yofel	Zhenya: then you'll have to live with it, you can't switch in the middle	00:19
tew88	Hi fellas. I've no sound in Flash. Kubuntu 10.04 (64bit), installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and have no sound either in Chrome or FireFox.	00:19
yofel	oxymoron: hehe	00:19
oxymoron	yofel: That thing worked for Dragon to use "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 dragon %u"	00:19
smokealot	atleast i apologized (:	00:19
Zhenya	yofel: i am totally happy. Free is free my freind, and this is great software :D	00:19
Sleeper	ok was just surfing	00:19
Zhenya	smokealot: hahahah	00:19
Zhenya	i think im going to go for a bike ride	00:20
Zhenya	any riders in here?	00:20
Zhenya	sorry thats OT	00:20
smokealot	i will join you	00:20
Sleeper	ok ql have fun	00:20
Zhenya	if you're in dallas lets go riding :P	00:20
oxymoron	yofel: Btw, I am talking to cairo dock developer. He and I wonder, how do you call Lnacelot and Kmenu/kickoff with Dbus?	00:20
smokealot	but my ride will be on the magic dragon (:	00:20
Zhenya	smokealot: hhahahahah	00:21
yofel	oxymoron: no idea, I am totally clueless about how dbus works, should learn about that sometime I guess...	00:21
oxymoron	yofel: You know someone who knows then? Or maybe someone is here and see this? :P	00:22
James147	tew88: many ppl had this issue with karmic, you can try purging and reinstalling flashplugin-installer or purging it and installing the version from adobes site	00:22
Zhenya	later y'all :D	00:22
oxymoron	yofel: because he will apply a Lancelot/Kickoff applet for Cairo dock if he know how to interact with dbus or something like that	00:22
tew88	James147: Purging? apt-get remove?	00:22
yofel	oxymoron: the best place to ask if you have development questions is #kubuntu-devel I think	00:23
RnFstRuckHrd	Okay so laptop just finished its upgrade - did the reboot and now it will show the Kubuntu splash screen for a split second (with really grainy, pixelated graphics and colors) and then the screen goes black. Nothing after that. Any thoughts?	00:23
James147	tew88: apt-get purge (it will do the same as remove but also delete config files)	00:23
tew88	James147: ty, I'll give it a bash	00:23
yofel	well, I'm off to bed, gn8 folks	00:24
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oxymoron	yofel: Goodnight	00:26
RnFstRuckHrd	Okay so looking around on the ubuntu forums - found an article that says the Dell 700M is aparently blacklisted. Any version of kubuntu works fine up until 10.04 - then all you get is a black screen whether it is a fresh install, upgrade or LiveCD session. WTF? So if I cannot use this OS, how can I revert back to Karmic without formating my machine? I was told this would be a seemless upgrade... :-\	00:34
smokealot	wow	00:35
smokealot	that sucks	00:35
smokealot	im clueless	00:35
RnFstRuckHrd	I am pretty disappointed that the community was never made aware of these blacklisted machines...	00:35
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: I am afraid down grading is not supported	00:36
RnFstRuckHrd	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029	00:36
RnFstRuckHrd	WOW - great	00:36
RnFstRuckHrd	talk about being up $h1T creek with no paddle	00:36
smokealot	i never new a computer could be blacklisted for an install of linux	00:37
smokealot	tsk tsk tsk	00:37
RnFstRuckHrd	I know I am a minority case here but I feel REALLY short-sided	00:37
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: sorry, but there is not much that can be done at this stage execpt a reinstall	00:40
RnFstRuckHrd	man, I am irate. This is does nothing more then go against the whole idea of a free OS - blacklisted machines!?!?! The developers at Kubuntu have done A LOT of great things but they should absolutely ashamed of themselves for pulling something like this. I guess there is probably some convoluted reason for it that is far above my capabilities to comprehend but WHY WAS I NOT TOLD PRIOR TO TURNING MY LAPTOP INTO A PAPERWEIGHT (at	00:40
RnFstRuckHrd	least until I reformat and start from scratch)	00:40
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: unless you wait a few days and hope someone comes up with a workaround	00:40
RnFstRuckHrd	TY for the info James147, I gues I am just venting now and this is not the place, sorry	00:41
RnFstRuckHrd	I appreciate your advice	00:41
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: unfortinatly there are sooo many mechienes out there its hard for get it working for everysingle one (windows has it easier as mechienes tend to be built with it in mind)	00:42
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: Its also probally advisable from now on to try a live cd before upgrading :S	00:45
RnFstRuckHrd	I understand but Dell as a huge market share in household PCs, notebooks in particular. While the 700M is archaeic by todays tech standards it was a MASS produced, affordable and productive notebook. I ams ure there are more then a few of us with this issue. Unfortunately for me is the only laptop I have to use and do not have time to tinker, as much as I would liek to. Its moments like these when I have to admit my friends	00:45
RnFstRuckHrd	using windows are right, you get what you PAY for	00:45
RnFstRuckHrd	Oh I know better now! but after having the kubuntu almeighties in this very same channel say, your upgrade will be SEEMLESS, I figured I could take their word for it	00:46
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: they also have less of an issue because they dont upgrade their system as often (once ever few years vs twice a year)... and if your hardware dosnt work on a new windows mechiene i bet most ppl would buy a new mechiene	00:46
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: it will be seemless in `most` cases, unfortinatlly there is always one person that it wont work for	00:47
RnFstRuckHrd	I would too if I was not trying to get through med school - buying new hardware is not an option. Which is why Iw as so impressed with kubuntu	00:47
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: where as if you where on windows you would probally still be running xp rather then vista or win 7.... so they still do have the issue they just dont seem to care as much :S	00:48
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: heh, well that aint ood	00:49
James147	^^ good, looks like grub broak on mine with a fresh install	00:50
RnFstRuckHrd	I only ever ran WinXP, I was more then happy with it. True it did not have any cool eye-candy but the OS itself ran flawlessy for me. I switched because Kubuntu utilized my hardware more efficiently, looked and functioned nicer, and I no longer had to pirate the software that I needed	00:50
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: but my point is still there, you wouldnt upgrade windows so you ddnet encounter the hardship of upgrading an entire os to a new version :) Its just something you have to live with on a system that gets updated so often unfortinutlly (rather then waiting 10years for the next version)	00:52
RnFstRuckHrd	I was fine witrh how Karmic functioned and work - but I burned a day watching the upgrade creep in and now I have to do nothing but find a karmic .iso / burn it / and format my 700M and spend the next few hours making it look at work the way I need it. No ones fault but my own in the long run (as I did not try the LiveCD first) but still think I should have gotte some kind of headsup from Kubuntu Devs abotu blacklisting machines	00:53
RnFstRuckHrd	James147 - you are right	00:53
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: and now to install lucid again and hope it works this time :D	00:54
RnFstRuckHrd	I agree that the OS does not just magically work on all hardware but I cannot think of a reason to say, "we will design to NOT work on this one"	00:54
James147	although i really should go to bed	00:54
RnFstRuckHrd	James147 - GL!!!	00:54
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: its not so much deskging it not to work on your, but one project has changed the way they work which is now incompatable with your hardware...	00:55
* James147 hates mirrored screens, he dosnt know which one to look at even though it dosnt matter :S the differnet resalutions dosnt help		00:56
diabolical	How to add a command line text box to the taskbar?	00:58
RnFstRuckHrd	well according to the article linked at the forum (i linked earlier) it shows something they were aware of. It seems they triaged it. I know that these things MUST happen and that is why new releases are constantly made. But at the hand of the day I am still the guy with the busted computer	00:58
RnFstRuckHrd	which is no fun	00:58
LinuxGuy2009	Hello Im working on a buntu multiboot DVD on launchpad and needed to know if on the live CD if the initrd file found in /casper is named either "/casper/initrd.lz" or "/casper/initrd.gz"? Would someone be so kind as to verify this for me?	00:58
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: but on the other hand they cannot keep package held back because it breaks one old mechiene or packages would never advance and newer mechienes might not work	00:59
LinuxGuy2009	For Lucid I mean of course	01:00
RnFstRuckHrd	Like I said - I know why they did but it does not change the fact that I got the short end of the stick (no stick at all rather). As I said before, I am a minority case but still a kubuntu user and disappointed with my experience	01:01
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: and i am not sure how they could implment an elegent system to stop some people upgrading	01:01
diabolical	how do i add a textbox like backtrack4 to my taskbar "	01:01
RnFstRuckHrd	On the 10.04 overview page they link to known bugs, Why not link to known blacklisted machines?!	01:01
diabolical	?*	01:01
RnFstRuckHrd	I feel that has its place	01:01
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James147	RnFstRuckHrd: probally would have been a good idea, possibally through the developers a sugestion and it might change in future	01:02
dominicdinada	how do i add a textbox like backtrack4 to my taskbar ?	01:02
Typos_King	?	01:03
BiggFREE	Hi	01:04
RnFstRuckHrd	Not to worry I will - don't misinterpret me (easy in IRC) I am not pissed and demanding compensation. What is done is done and I can fix it, I am just disappointed that have to fix it and that I cannot partake in the new 10.04 release. I do want to make sure that other people, myself included do not find themselves high and dry like me after a "seemless" upgrade.	01:04
RnFstRuckHrd	Although next I am just going to test the LiveCD before going anywhere near that notification bubble asking if I want to upgrade ;-p	01:04
RnFstRuckHrd	time*	01:05
James147	dominicdinada: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/plasma-runner?content=75059 might be what you want, if not there might be somehting else on that site you could use	01:05
mvk	i was/am running the RC, with KPackageKit this automtically upgrades to LTS final right?	01:05
RnFstRuckHrd	mvk : yes	01:06
dominicdinada	ty James147	01:06
vadi01_	This is our first Long Term Support release featuring the KDE Plasma Desktop.???	01:06
MidGe	Just tried installing Lynx on a Dell Latitude D800... seems to be working OK, except that the display is a bit dodgy and the mouse pointer is sort of duplicated! Anyone else encountered this?	01:06
vadi01_	meaning there has never been a LTS for kubuntu?	01:06
James147	vadi01_: it is the first LTS with kde 4	01:07
RnFstRuckHrd	MidGe - others are having hardware "disagreements" too. Pray for a workaround	01:07
RnFstRuckHrd	or figure it out and share ;-P	01:07
James147	vadi01_: the last lts for kubuntu was 6.04 i think	01:07
markit	hi, 10.04 until recently recognized automatically my monitor resolution, now with recent updates does not anymore. Can someone confirm the bug and/or tell me how to solve? Google does not help (xrandr just does not see 1920x1080 res anymore among the available ones)	01:07
MidGe	RnFst.. ok... i'll start praying even if I don't believe in it! :)	01:08
cirillo	quick question: I just installed 10.04 after not having used Kubuntu for a couple years. The new KDE 4 is great, but I have one gripe: I made some frequently used applications as desktop shortcuts, but upon trying to resize them, they instantly go back to their original size. Is this a known bug? Or did I lock their sizes without knowing?	01:08
RnFstRuckHrd	I don't either - be glad you have graphics ata ll. The DEll 700M will not show a single thing - just black screen (whether its an upgrade, fresh install or livecd)	01:09
RnFstRuckHrd	^^^^ - MidGe	01:09
James147	cirillo: I have had a few widgets reset their posistion after movment, but they usually stick eventually (dosnt happen offten though)	01:10
MidGe	Yes.. it seems to be working.. with the display problems.. i'll wait until I upgrade my other boxes	01:10
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James147	MidGe: what graphics card do you have?	01:10
cirillo	James147: I'll assume it's a known bug then, I've found a little solution: I just resize, then hold on to the widget for a bit	01:11
markit	well, 9.10 to 10.04 on my netbook produced an empty desktop, apart from the "cashee" (or whatever is called) on the top right. Old procedure to make bar back fails. I'll try to take care tomorrow, but just to warn other people :)	01:11
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Typos_King	markit: reason why is most often recommended a full-install	01:12
markit	Typos_King: full install is a M$ thing ;P	01:13
James147	markit: but it is alot less buggy :)	01:13
RnFstRuckHrd	MidGe - just the onboard stock intel graphics that came in the Dell 700M (bought in 2005).	01:13
RnFstRuckHrd	markit - it is a cashew by the way :-p	01:13
MidGe	James147 NVIDIA	01:13
dante	Hey folks, I've got a MAJOR issue here, I can't even damn well boot into the new release! Anyone care to help? I'm a bit out of my league here...	01:13
James147	MidGe: try to enable the nvidia drivers if you havent already (kdesudo jockey-kde)	01:13
markit	RnFstRuckHrd: thanks, I don't even know if is an english word or not	01:13
markit	nor what means,so you imagin...	01:14
MidGe	Yes standard card for Latitude D800.. I'll try the jockey-kde	01:14
RnFstRuckHrd	markit : Cashew? its a nut. delicious too	01:15
RnFstRuckHrd	I think the little guy in the corner of your screenw as dubbed the Cashew by users simply because of how similar it looks to one	01:15
dante	So anyone have a clue why my machine freezes everytime I hit KDE's splash screen?	01:16
dante	I mean, has it happened to anyone else?	01:16
markit	RnFstRuckHrd: sorry, what do you mean? I've it doubled and one being my "bar" compressed?	01:16
dominicdinada	James147: Out of curosity when you have apache/php/mysql installed does it give you the option to run the script ?	01:17
James147	dominicdinada: the script?	01:17
RnFstRuckHrd	markit? I do not understand?	01:17
* James147 hopes grub works this time		01:17
RnFstRuckHrd	what are you asking?	01:17
markit	RnFstRuckHrd: my mistake.. lol... dubbed is not doubled, lol	01:18
dominicdinada	well run the file ?? basically when i install the packages am i able to run the files from anywhere or just the web folder?	01:18
markit	2.20am here	01:18
RnFstRuckHrd	break - James147 - where can I get the 9.10 i386 desktop iso?	01:18
James147	Noooo, dam grub :(	01:18
RnFstRuckHrd	James147 - sorry about the grub failure :-(	01:19
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: kubuntu.org should have it	01:19
dominicdinada	from ubuntu.com	01:19
dominicdinada	u mean ubuntu.com	01:19
James147	dominicdinada: probally :)	01:20
James147	its late i really should be in bed :S	01:20
RnFstRuckHrd	James147 - where? I cannot find "old" downlaods anywhere...	01:20
dominicdinada	RnFstRuckHrd: I am looking for the link now	01:21
James147	aww, typing "umm" at the prompt didnt work (unlike that one time)	01:21
RnFstRuckHrd	dominicdinada - TY	01:22
dante	Has anyone else experienced an inabilty to load Kubuntu at all?	01:23
James147	dante: my desktop is getting stuck at grub :S	01:23
dominicdinada	RnFstRuckHrd: http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/	01:23
dante	James147: Mine is getting stuck at the Splashscreen...something to do with the novoue driver or something sillly	01:24
dante	I have no idea how to disable it	01:24
RnFstRuckHrd	dominicdinada - TY!	01:24
dominicdinada	http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso	01:24
dominicdinada	thats the exact link to the download	01:24
dominicdinada	they buffed the download page so you cant find karmic haha	01:25
Typos_King	that wouldn't be kubuntu though, is it?	01:25
dominicdinada	no kubuntu is on kubuntu.com	01:25
dominicdinada	what are you looking for Typos_King i was answering RnFstRuckHrd's question	01:26
dominicdinada	hence the reply was addressed to him	01:26
RnFstRuckHrd	lol	01:26
Typos_King	dominicdinada: same here :P	01:26
* dante has a strong urge to throw his laptop out the window and cry in a corner		01:26
MidGe	ok, RnFstRuckHrd, enabling the proprietary driver worked! Still a bit concerned about upgrading existing boxes, as they ar Dell too...	01:26
dominicdinada	You are looking for karmic ? or lucid ?	01:26
RnFstRuckHrd	well this desktop I am on right now is about to reboot to finsih its upgrade: I will ge tback on and let you all know if it works. But after the epic failure with my dell notebook I will not hold my breath	01:27
dante	Good luck!	01:27
Typos_King	http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/	01:27
RnFstRuckHrd	MidGe - ya my 700M has no hope of running 10.04 (for the release that is out right now) my desktop is an Inspiron 530S. Like I said - if I reboot successfully after this upgrade in a few minutes I will get back on and report	01:28
RnFstRuckHrd	dante - TY :-P I am sure I will need it	01:28
RnFstRuckHrd	"searching for obsolete software..."	01:29
dante	Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this driver is in the kernal yes? So if it's the fault of everything, my laptop is basically as good as a doorstop?	01:29
dominicdinada	RnFstRuckHrd: He posted the kubuntu 9.10 I swore you asked about ubuntu 9.10 lawl	01:29
RnFstRuckHrd	Midge - glad you got the driver working - hopefully us Dell fanatics will not ALL be left high and dry	01:29
smithjd	is there anything special about the update from 10.04 beta?	01:29
smithjd	i don't see any new packages in the last few days.	01:29
RnFstRuckHrd	dominicdinada - its cool I figured you just forgot the "k" - no worries m8	01:30
James147	anyone know how to reinstall grub from live usb... never done it with grub 2 before :S	01:30
RnFstRuckHrd	eesh - GL James147. I cannot help you, I'm sorry	01:30
dominicdinada	!grub 2	01:30
dominicdinada	hang on	01:30
RnFstRuckHrd	"removing obsolete software..."	01:31
Typos_King	!grub2	01:31
ubottu	GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2	01:31
dante	Right folks, I'm gonna call it a night, night all! good luck!	01:31
RnFstRuckHrd	here we go... I really hope I see you guys soon!	01:31
Typos_King	a night? can't we call it a noon?	01:31
MidGe	RnFstRuckHrd, my main box is a Dell Studio 1735... And I have had issues with each of the last three upgrades.. so I am a bit reluctant to upgrade my main box. Will install a backup server on my now upgraded box and back up my main one before attempting the upgrade I think.	01:32
dominicdinada	Its 7:30pm here	01:32
dominicdinada	James147: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2	01:32
RnFstRuckHrd	okay time to click restart - see you on the side	01:32
RnFstRuckHrd	KAWABUNGAHHHHHHHHHH	01:32
MidGe	go dude!	01:33
dominicdinada	James147: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD	01:33
dominicdinada	Brb	01:33
James147	dominicdinada: thxs -- too tired to follow it now though think i should give up and try tomorrow before i do mor damage :D	01:34
RnFstRuckHrd	okay so, I am back....kind of	01:36
RnFstRuckHrd	I have a completely black screen AGAIN but I can at elast get Krunner to come up using Alt +F2 thus I got IRC cliient open	01:36
RnFstRuckHrd	am I to assume that plasma crashed?	01:37
RnFstRuckHrd	how can I get i back up?	01:37
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: "plasma-desktop"	01:37
RnFstRuckHrd	nothing comes up in krunner when I enter "plasma-desktop"	01:37
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: :S	01:38
RnFstRuckHrd	right?!	01:38
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: "plasma-netbook" if your running the netbook edition	01:38
RnFstRuckHrd	Once again - very disappointed	01:38
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: one of them should work	01:38
dominicdinada	okiedokie	01:38
James147	RnFstRuckHrd: but I am far too tired to think now, nght all	01:39
RnFstRuckHrd	not- desktop version. Searched anyways and nothing	01:39
dominicdinada	are you able to start into safemode ?	01:39
RnFstRuckHrd	Seems to be the general rule that if you have a Dell machine your 10.04 release date will be in a few months if at all	01:39
smokealot	whoohooo 3 hours and counting on the upgrade (=	01:41
Typos_King	3 hrs?	01:43
Typos_King	it has taken me 15mins to dl the .iso	01:43
dominicdinada	3 hours	01:44
dominicdinada	what you have dialup over there ?	01:44
smokealot	nope ):	01:44
smokealot	50mbit	01:44
dominicdinada	why so long dude ?	01:44
Typos_King	hehe	01:44
smokealot	im using the main mirror and its really slow i guess	01:44
smokealot	everyone is using it	01:44
smokealot	i should of just burned the cd	01:44
Typos_King	cuz he's upgrading, likely with no backup, so he can come back here saying 'I did and upgrade and such and such is broke now' and so on	01:44
chemisus	is there a way to add/edit the desktop window dock (dragging a window to the left/right edge of desktop)	01:44
chemisus	using 10.04	01:45
smokealot	it wont bug me if anything breaks	01:45
smokealot	i can always fix it	01:45
Typos_King	smokealot: you still have time to burn the .iso :P, it'll surely be less than 3hrs, download and install together	01:45
chemisus	would like to split desktop into four regions if possible	01:46
smokealot	its 55mins left now tho i duno lol	01:46
smokealot	not downloading anymore its updating packages and stuff	01:46
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smokealot	i just wanted to use the upgrade prompt atleast once (=	01:48
Typos_King	hehe	01:49
dominicdinada	I am having a problem on my laptop that when i am typing the cursor position jumps. sometimes back to the middle of the textbox and sometimes it goes to a whole new window is this a driver issue or a touchpad sensitivity issue or what could it be?	01:54
RnFstRuckHrd	is there a way to force plasma desktop to run - when I boot everything is black. Still can run apps through krunner though	01:55
dominicdinada	Not sure RnFstRuckHrd you might want to ask ubuntu considering there are more active people there	01:56
Typos_King	...	01:57
raj	guys is there anyone in here capable of reading logs and determining how to fix? its about a game smokin guns... I have the log file openAL refuses to open and i get errors while trying to run VM any ideas? i would really appreciate any help :( here is my log file ANYONE? I couldnt FIND anything online!!!! http://pastebin.org/193449 PLEASE HELP :) THANK YOU	01:57
Typos_King	RnFstRuckHrd: afaik, it does that by default, you can always add stuff at System Settings > Advanced > autostart	01:58
smokealot	raj: it could be its not executing q3config.cfg or autoexec.cfg	02:00
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dominicdinada	yikes	02:06
raj	smokealot: but the error shows vm.gvm	02:09
lucas-arg	hello, can we change the notifications theme?	02:10
RnFstRuckHrd	Typos-King - turned out the Plasma Desktop was not even installed	02:11
RnFstRuckHrd	Not sure how that came to be as I have had it running in 9.10 for the last few months!	02:11
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RnFstRuckHrd	I installed and ran plasma-desktop and all seems to be well for now. but the laptop is still bricked :-(	02:12
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thegeek0100	Installing virtualbox through apt-get the servers are just crawling. <<big surprise>>	02:14
saintly	my Mic isnt working	02:23
saintly	anyone able to help me?	02:23
saintly	hello?	02:27
saintly	raaaaaaaaaaa	02:30
saintly	anyone home	02:30
thegeek0100	I home	02:31
thegeek0100	so is this after installing lucid?	02:32
saintly	no i still have the 9.10	02:32
thegeek0100	have you seen your mic work in the past?	02:32
saintly	with Windows XP only	02:33
thegeek0100	were able to add the controls in to kmix?	02:33
saintly	let me see	02:33
thegeek0100	click on the speaker on the taskbar, click mixer	02:36
saintly	the mic is in mixer	02:36
saintly	its in the sound to	02:36
thegeek0100	volume is up and the mute is not checked.?	02:36
saintly	but im tryin to talk, and its all turned up but not working	02:36
thegeek0100	do you have more than one sound card reported buy the system?	02:37
saintly	yeah, so it would seem	02:38
saintly	right now what is listed is HDA Intel MID	02:38
thegeek0100	what does multimedia say for communcations	02:39
saintly	how do i find that?	02:40
thegeek0100	click on your start button and type multimedia	02:40
thegeek0100	in the search	02:40
thegeek0100	it should show in the list	02:40
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thegeek0100	its the sound adn video configuration tool.	02:41
saintly	HDA Intel MID (ALC269 Analog)	02:41
thegeek0100	do you have any additional entries?	02:42
thegeek0100	below it.	02:42
saintly	yes	02:42
saintly	let me get em	02:42
saintly	HDA Intel MID, INTEL HDMI (HDMI Audio Output)	02:43
saintly	Playback/Recording through the Pulsaudio server	02:44
saintly	and	02:44
saintly	PulseAudio	02:44
thegeek0100	I would try moving each one to the top and see if the mic starts working.	02:44
thegeek0100	my first one to the top would be pulse audio.	02:45
thegeek0100	you may need to reboot to get the change to take effect.	02:45
saintly	alright	02:45
saintly	brb then	02:45
thegeek0100	k	02:46
saintly	back	02:51
saintly	i have an update	02:51
thegeek0100	what'cha got	02:51
saintly	It said that the ALC269 one doesnt work.	02:51
saintly	like just said hey, were switching to this one	02:51
thegeek0100	one down.	02:52
saintly	lol	02:54
saintly	and now it looks like my sound doesnt work either?	02:54
thegeek0100	nice	02:55
saintly	lol	02:55
thegeek0100	I would go ahead and try the next one.	02:55
thegeek0100	when all else fails we can go back to the original config.	02:55
thegeek0100	I also found it helpful to install pavdevchoose from apt-get or how ever you prefer.	02:56
thegeek0100	it is the pulse audio device chooser. it can shed some light on what your sound devices are doing.	02:57
saintly	alright, ima reboot, then we can try pavdev choose.	02:58
saintly	what does it do, tell you which one works?	02:58
thegeek0100	it should in stall the pulse audio volume control which has an input devices tab that show a metter for sound.	02:59
thegeek0100	so evern if it is not connecting to the speakers you can ide the mic.	03:00
saintly	ide?	03:00
saintly	Starting KTTSD Failed this just popped up, any relevance?	03:01
thegeek0100	identify	03:01
Teknical	normal to have no software updates in kpackageget after fresh 10.04 install?	03:01
Teknical	kpackagekit*	03:01
thegeek0100	mine did not have any updates.	03:01
Teknical	hrmm ok	03:01
thegeek0100	immediately after install	03:01
thegeek0100	did pick up a few later on.	03:02
thegeek0100	may be related to high server usage.	03:02
Teknical	hrmm, wonder when ill get those .. i noticed my last reboot the kubuntu splash screen was in a low bit depth	03:02
thegeek0100	I was installing some other apps when it notified me. hower ever it was only for some encoders.	03:03
saintly	should i update? would that help this process at all	03:03
saintly	upgrade*	03:04
thegeek0100	hard to say, my sound is working, including mic but I have a different sound card.	03:04
K0HAX	btw, is it normal for me to be afraid of updating because I just "know" my sound will stop working? lol	03:04
thegeek0100	If it were me I would install clean with 10.04 and test the sound and mic upfont	03:04
NJL	is there a quick and easy solution to a "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127" error from kpackagekit?	03:05
thegeek0100	check system monitor	03:05
thegeek0100	search for pack, apt	03:05
thegeek0100	if you have any of those processes running and you package manager is not then they may have apt locked.	03:06
NJL	I don't	03:06
saintly	what do you mean by update clean?	03:06
NJL	just kpackagekit	03:06
saintly	wipe everything?	03:06
thegeek0100	install in a new partition on the hard drive.	03:07
saintly	so i cant install over 9.10	03:07
thegeek0100	really I mean dual boot you current install with a new one of 10.04	03:07
saintly	brb	03:08
thegeek0100	you can... but if things go bad, you will be worse off then you are now.	03:08
saintly	how so?	03:08
thegeek0100	if could kill your current install.	03:08
saintly	alright, so what if i just drag my mouse up there and hit tht lil upgrade button	03:08
thegeek0100	do you have the important stuff backed up?	03:09
saintly	all my important stuff is on a external HD	03:09
saintly	will tht work?	03:11
thegeek0100	yes	03:11
thegeek0100	be brave, click the upgrade.	03:11
thegeek0100	I make no garantees of the outcome.	03:11
NJL	I did the 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade and it worked flawlessly	03:12
NJL	prior to that release it never worked	03:12
NJL	hoping it works this time too :)	03:13
saintly	alright. im takin the plunge, ill bbs, hopefully on the same computer lol	03:13
thegeek0100	good luck!	03:13
NJL	it takes a while	03:13
NJL	so don't say "bbs" heh	03:13
saintly	lol bbl	03:13
thegeek0100	hehe	03:13
\|enigma\|	Hi guys	03:16
\|enigma\|	if I want to install kubuntu to my laptop which is 64bit do I have to download kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso ? is it	03:17
\|enigma\|	wonder whether it contain all the pkg like open office, and other stuff	03:18
\|enigma\|	any one out there??	03:18
NJL	\|enigma\|: that should be fine	03:18
NJL	I believe it does have OO	03:18
thegeek0100	you have the choice of 64 or 32 bit version.	03:19
thegeek0100	they both come with open office as part of the install.	03:19
\|enigma\|	usually now days all 4GB dvd size but this one is about 697MB	03:20
\|enigma\|	so wonder it lacks some pkg	03:20
thegeek0100	I would do 64 bit, <<cause I can>>	03:20
thegeek0100	that is correct.	03:20
thegeek0100	if you need to do and offline install you can download the dvd version	03:21
\|enigma\|	so if i want something ike mysql i have to apt-get is it?	03:21
thegeek0100	yes	03:21
\|enigma\|	cool	03:22
thegeek0100	the repositories are pretty deep and wide with applications	03:22
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\|enigma\|	okey	03:22
\|enigma\|	do i have to config. repositories or ?	03:23
cmcx_linux	sysinfo	03:23
cmcx_linux	System: Host Rabla8 Kernel 2.6.31-20-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic	03:23
cmcx_linux	CPU: Triple core Intel Core i5 M 430 (HT) clocked at 2267.00 MHz	03:23
cmcx_linux	Graphics: Card ATI Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1366x768@60.0hz	03:23
cmcx_linux	GLX Renderer ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series GLX Version 3.2.9704 Compatibility Profile Context	03:23
FloodBotK1	cmcx_linux: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	03:23
cmcx_linux	Disks: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (46.0% used)	03:24
thegeek0100	kubutu comes with default repositories alreaty setup	03:27
thegeek0100	you can add whatever you need.	03:27
thegeek0100	I add medibuntu to get the proprietary codecs.	03:28
\|enigma\|	okey	03:28
Cockaine	how do i update to 10.4?	03:30
Cockaine	cant find the updater and i dont rememer the command D:	03:31
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Cockaine	hmm	03:36
Cockaine	i get error 127 when i use the update manager :/	03:37
NJL	heh me too	03:37
NJL	Cockaine: do you have packages showing as being available for updates?	03:37
Cockaine	:(	03:37
Cockaine	yes	03:37
NJL	I think that might be the prob	03:38
Cockaine	im updating them now	03:38
NJL	I do too, so I'm doing them	03:38
Cockaine	oic	03:38
Cockaine	:D	03:38
NJL	I don't know if it's really the problem though	03:38
NJL	just a wild guess	03:38
Cockaine	well we will prolly need to update them anyways	03:38
NJL	it can't hurt	03:38
Zhenya	i think 127 is update already in progress, no?	03:41
Cockaine	hm i dont think so	03:46
Cockaine	its not showing	03:46
thegeek0100	you may want to check out this link	03:49
thegeek0100	http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108676.0	03:49
SilentDis	!upgrade	03:58
ubottu	For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - To upgrade to Karmic (9.10) directly from Hardy (8.04) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading	03:58
SilentDis	happy release day everyone :D	03:59
SilentDis	oh good, question answered, loop mounting the alt iso is fine. rock on :D	04:00
Teknical	any reason my splash screen for 10.04 looks horrible now, as if it werent in a good resolution/bit depth?	04:01
Teknical	first boot it looked fine, now its ugly mode	04:02
thegeek0100	mine did the same thing. live cd looked good but after install hdd looks ugly.	04:02
Teknical	strange	04:02
thegeek0100	yep	04:02
Teknical	where do i change the default startup programs so to speak, for example to stop the bluetooth and printer applet from loading on startup	04:03
thegeek0100	do you want to stop them from showing on the task bar, or stop them from running at all?	04:05
Teknical	running at all on startup, not needed on this box	04:05
thegeek0100	I think you stuck with the blue tooth as it is tied in to knetwork manager.	04:06
Teknical	well i can close it, so that seems silly .. i dont want to remove them compleatly just stop them from running at startup	04:07
thegeek0100	I tried uninstalling bluetooth and it still shows up in me system log.	04:07
thegeek0100	I don't have an answer.	04:07
Teknical	aye, ok	04:07
Qiller	kubuntu have gwibber installed ?	04:08
thegeek0100	not by default	04:09
thegeek0100	it can be added.	04:09
Qiller	hmm ok	04:10
Qiller	thegeek0100 and ubuntu? its include? or it can bee added too	04:10
Qiller	thank thegeek0100	04:12
thegeek0100	;)	04:14
Cockaine	k all packages updated	04:20
Cockaine	im gonna try the distro now	04:20
Cockaine	it works!	04:22
Cockaine	yay	04:22
dominicdinada	where is the battery status widget so I can add the battery indicator back to my desktop	04:30
thegeek0100	right click on desktop	04:32
thegeek0100	choose add widgit	04:32
thegeek0100	is search type battery	04:32
thegeek0100	then double click on it.	04:33
lcx	hello	04:37
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lcx	I have got kubuntu10.04 but i can't using it singing mp3	04:40
thegeek0100	do you here the startup sound?	04:41
lcx	yes	04:42
lcx	I don't know how i get plugn	04:43
thegeek0100	so the program is asking for a plugin?	04:43
thegeek0100	what program are you using.	04:44
lcx	no ,it doesn't	04:44
thegeek0100	what program are you using.	04:44
lcx	i think i must get it	04:44
lcx	Amarok	04:44
Alienarch	I just started playing with that program	04:45
thegeek0100	have you download the coedecs	04:45
Alienarch	not liking it at all so far	04:45
lcx	haha	04:45
thegeek0100	it took me a little while to become ok with it.	04:45
lcx	yes	04:46
thegeek0100	so you did download the codecs.	04:46
thegeek0100	you would have needed to get them from medibuntu.	04:46
lcx	what is the codesc	04:47
lcx	what is the codecs	04:47
thegeek0100	do you know how to open kate.	04:47
lcx	yes	04:47
Morydd	After upgrading to 10.04 my desktop appears to be gone.	04:48
thegeek0100	do you have a taskbar	04:48
Morydd	thegeek0100: no.	04:48
lcx	<Morydd>i don't think upgrade is a good idea	04:49
wizkoder	hy everybody	04:56
wizkoder	my plasmoid are jumping around all the time :-((((	04:56
wizkoder	the tray symbol for wireless networks always loos like connecting even when I am connected	04:57
bertmanphx	Question: Running Kubuntu 10.04 upgraded from RC, network-manager-kde and three other packages keep being held back. why?	04:57
wizkoder	when I hide quassel by clicking on the tray symbol and show it again it forgets its size	04:58
wizkoder	this version is really buggy :-(	04:58
wizkoder	when I click on the firefox install script it says its already installed but its not	04:59
wizkoder	when I want to install the kubuntu-restricted-extras with kpackagekit nothing happens	04:59
wizkoder	and this is lts? omg	05:00
Teknical_	i havnt had your first two problems, but i had restricted extras install problems with 9.10 as well in kpackage	05:02
wizkoder	okay, when I close quassel and restart it it remembers its size	05:02
Teknical_	try synaptic	05:02
wizkoder	I installed everything with the commandline	05:02
wizkoder	but kubuntu should be for normal users and not for freaks (imho)	05:02
Teknical_	lol whatever works imo	05:03
Pavel_S	Hi, I have too small /var for upgrade	05:03
Pavel_S	can i mount another /dev/sd?	05:03
Pavel_S	like /var	05:03
Pavel_S	make upgrade and then back to my old /var?	05:04
wizkoder	alright. I am off. first impression: still beta stage!	05:04
skierpage	https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu seems wrong. It says you can upgrade to 10.04 from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates , but I've been running that all day and it's not offered me "Distribution upgrade available".	05:05
Teknical_	!upgrade skierpage	05:06
Teknical_	on my laptop it offered it as soon as i booted	05:06
Teknical_	the upgrade that is^	05:06
skierpage	The system tray icon for the upgrade did appear half-way through the day.	05:06
Teknical_	i saw someone linking upgrade info with the bot earlier, unfortunatly i dont recall the command or if it was useful info	05:07
Teknical_	i know thats unhelpful but maybe someone else can recall	05:07
skierpage	Teknical_ glad to hear it, guess it's just me. Software Updates offered me a libpq5 update today, but not the 10.04 Distribution Upgrade.	05:08
Teknical_	my laptop running 9.10 has asked me twice, once each reboot	05:08
thegeek0100	upgrade	05:09
Teknical_	loading up the laptop to see if it has any relevant info that can help	05:10
skierpage	I know many ways to do the upgrade, I just thought I'd found a bug somewhere.	05:10
Teknical_	yes on the laptop a gear pops up in the system tray near the clock called Update Notifier (green and silver gear like icon) that asks to do a full upgrade to the new distro release	05:11
thegeek0100	did you try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"	05:12
thegeek0100	from terminal	05:12
skierpage	Teknical_ yup me too, but as I wrote what about System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates ?	05:12
Teknical_	oic	05:12
Teknical_	cant speak for that :) gl	05:13
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Kurzweil	Anyone here that could help me with wirless internet?	05:14
dan_	real quick what method is used to install nvidia drivers in kubuntu. its been a while	05:19
Landgraf_Chel	Kurzweil: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Network_manager&redirect=no	05:20
sjr	My upgrade crashed mid upgrade, on the installing packages, how should I resume it	05:20
thegeek0100	I would start with Hardware Drivers	05:20
thegeek0100	you can search for it in the start menu	05:20
thegeek0100	may have one that kubuntu will install for you.	05:21
dan_	thnx	05:21
thegeek0100	my pleasure	05:21
dan_	yep this is it ur the man	05:21
skierpage	!nvidia	05:22
ubottu	For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto	05:22
thegeek0100	!splash screen	05:25
Kurzweil	wireless is working.. but only intermittently.. Like, every 4th or 5th reboot it will connect	05:26
Kurzweil	otherwise it's stuck at configuring installation	05:26
Kurzweil	interface*	05:26
dominicdinada	!wireless	05:29
ubottu	Wireless documentation, including how-to guides and troubleshooting information, can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs	05:29
dominicdinada	!wireless \| kurzweil	05:29
ubottu	kurzweil: please see above	05:29
Kurzweil	thanks.. checking it now.	05:32
Cockaine	gah	05:35
Cockaine	i got error 1 now	05:35
Cockaine	FFS!	05:35
thegeek0100	!splash	05:35
ubottu	To change your KDE splash screen go to KMenu -> System Settings -> Splash Screen	05:35
dominicdinada	!restart plasma	05:36
dominicdinada	!plasma	05:37
calumayoo	!alternate	05:39
ubottu	The Alternate CD is a classical text-mode install CD. It supports a wider range of hardware than the !LiveCD, and can also be used as an upgrade CD. Look for the alternate checkbox on the Kubuntu download page - See also !minimal	05:39
calumayoo	!minimal	05:39
ubottu	The Minimal CD image is very small in size, and it downloads most packages from the Internet during installation, allowing you to select only those you want (the installer is like the one on the !Alternate CD). See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD	05:39
wllkmbll	I just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.04 and now my wireless signal range is signifigantly shorter. Does anyone know what happened?	05:44
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cockaine	dudes!!	05:58
cockaine	whats error 1 on the update?	05:58
Teknical	is there a specific way to farmat a storage drive so that i dont have to click on it in dolphin (or mount it i assume)	06:06
Teknical	format*	06:06
Landgraf_Chel	Teknical: now format is simple as in Win?	06:08
len_	Is there any way to limit neopmuk services/virtuoso/strigi cpu usage. My computer has been running at 90% all day and is getting warm. Is there anyway to tell how long strigi will take to finish indexing?	06:10
Landgraf_Chel	len_: my amd64 work automatic in eco mode	06:12
Landgraf_Chel	without any tuning	06:12
len_	In desktop search settings is says it is indexing my home hold, but that's about 80MB, and could take forever. I'd like to know how far along it is, and how much work it will take to maintain the index. It's going to be chugging around in the backround all the time pinning the cpu needle, I'll just disable it. You should be able to set the max cpu usage for it though. It should obviously be considered a very low priority activity.	06:15
len_	Landgraf_Ch, I'm using amd64 too. I'm not sure what that has to do with strigi though. My CPU is not "HOT" as it danger of overheating, it just running hot enough to cause the CPU fan to run fast enough to be annoying.	06:17
len_	Usually I don't hear it.	06:17
len_	80GB home directory, I mean :)	06:18
calumayoo	excuse me, im trying to install lucid using the alternative iso and im trying to mount it cause i dont have a blank cd right now. cant work	06:20
Landgraf_Chel	len_: mayby just clean up cpu fan?	06:20
calumayoo	it says that no medium found on /dev/sr0	06:21
Landgraf_Chel	len_: no, best case - disable desktop search	06:22
len_	CPU Fan is fine. It is running like it is supposed to at the given CPU usage for such an extended period of time. I'd just rather not allow strigi to take so much cpu.	06:23
Landgraf_Chel	why it for you?	06:23
thegeek0100	I see usb stick or cd. but not anything about just the iso	06:23
cjae	I have a geforce 6200 card and I was very happy to hear about nouveau, I have a tv hooked up via s video but the vertical hold on the tv is out. How may I fix this?	06:24
Landgraf_Chel	len_: desktop search - this is google soft?	06:24
cjae	also is there issues with blutooth keyboards and mice	06:25
cjae	running 10.04	06:25
len_	Indexing is set on by default in lucid--it's not something I chose.	06:25
calumayoo	thegeek0100: see thishttp://www.linux-support.com/cms/en/magazine/articles-by-category/4-howtos/137-upgrade-to-ubuntu-910-using-the-alternate-cd-dvd	06:26
Landgraf_Chel	len_: ok, i dont install still	06:26
Landgraf_Chel	still 9.10	06:27
Landgraf_Chel	today i going	06:27
calumayoo	ive been trying it as i deem it similar for upgrading form 9.10 t 10.04...	06:27
Landgraf_Chel	then will talking	06:27
len_	It didn't start indexing for me until after I upgraded to lucid.	06:27
Landgraf_Chel	len_: reinstall on clear hard	06:28
thegeek0100	I also found this one to install directly from iso "http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html"	06:28
len_	No need to do that. I can just turn off indexing if it comes to that.	06:29
len_	I'd rather allow indexing though, but just limit its allowed cpu usage.	06:29
kt	hi	06:31
kt	is it Idels channel	06:31
kt	where r u ppl	06:32
thegeek0100	been real, fun... I'm out of here...	06:33
Landgraf_Chel	kt: we are there	06:33
kt	I'm trying to update my OS	06:34
kt	it's taking time	06:34
kt	:s	06:34
kt	can u send ur PC to me after u update it?	06:35
Landgraf_Chel	kt: don't now	06:36
Landgraf_Chel	kt: don't know	06:36
kt	just send ur pc	06:36
kt	it's not so hard	06:36
kt	use DHL	06:37
Landgraf_Chel	kt: where u want sed your pc?	06:37
Landgraf_Chel	*send	06:37
Landgraf_Chel	from window your home?	06:37
kt	I want yours	06:37
kt	my pc very old	06:37
bazhang	!ot	06:38
ubottu	#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!	06:38
kt	I want to get your pc	06:38
bazhang	kt, please take chat to #kubuntu-offtopic	06:38
Teknical	ok im feelin stupid (probably so) but I have kubuntu 10.04 installed on my raid .. all is good there. I also have a 120 gig IDE in the mix somewhere that I use for storage and virtualbox's.. however at the moment I have no permission to create or do anything on the drive really? is there a proper way or a guide to show me how to set this up? I didnt have this problem in 9.10 it seemed to just work	06:38
kt	k	06:38
kt	:)	06:38
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FeasibilityStudy	Only 249 peeps on here. lol	06:39
kt	yeap	06:40
sunk8	Hi guys, just wanted to know the status of the kubuntu ubuntu one client. Does it really work for any1?	06:40
Landgraf_Chel	ops, don't anderstand first	06:40
kt	just to help you	06:40
FeasibilityStudy	Sux how Canonical doesnt care about KDE.	06:40
sunk8	Hello, any1 tried installing the Ubuntu One client for Kubuntu?	06:41
kt	I'm using Kubuntu now	06:42
sunk8	kt, u tried Ubuntu One client?	06:43
kt	I'm using Ubuntu, but I dont know about "Ubuntu One Client"	06:44
Landgraf_Chel	why Ubuntu One kontent is mp3? why not free ogg?	06:44
sunk8	Err. In GNOME I have ubuntuone-client named package that installed a beautiful application which helped me sync all my folders with Ubuntu One. Wondering if something similar is available for kde...	06:45
sunk8	I wanna switch to a fresh Kubuntu on my PC. And don't want to install the GNOME client.	06:45
kt	hmm, I don't know about that, I just came from MS OS :)	06:46
sunk8	lawl. It's been about 2 years since I saw the Windoze interface...	06:47
sunk8	kt, u atleast know about Ubuntu One services?	06:47
kt	:s	06:48
kt	yeah, it's good	06:48
sunk8	U use them online or sync with your desktop/apps too?	06:48
FeasibilityStudy	I am on suse now, but am thinking about Kubuntu.	06:48
sunk8	I believe they had a kubuntu client till some days back. And it seems to have vanished completely from the repos.	06:49
kt	I did not get you	06:49
sunk8	In Ubuntu, we just open the client app and click on connect. Log in and it synchronizes all files and folders from the 'Ubuntu One' folder in my home directory.	06:50
sunk8	We can just drag n drop folders there and they get syncd automatically.	06:50
kt	I c, I don't know about this thing	06:51
sunk8	It was installed by default in Ubuntu. Kubuntu had it in beta2 but now, it ain't here.	06:52
sunk8	removed from the repos	06:52
kt	do you want me to check main?	06:53
sunk8	Can you try to install the package 'ubuntuone-client', and let me know what happens?	06:54
kt	I have synaptic-kde	06:54
kt	is it the same?	06:54
sunk8	tell me if it tries to install the GNOME version or pulls the kde one...	06:54
moetunes	sunk8: this might help - http://linux.digitalsp.com/2009/12/installing-ubuntu-one-on-kubuntu-910.html	06:56
kt	I have "Ubuntu One client GNOME integration"	06:57
sunk8	moetunes. That's the issue. ubuntuone-client-kde existed in karmic, but is not there in lucid!	06:58
moetunes	o	06:58
sunk8	kt. It seems that we don't have a kde client yet for ubuntu one. It doesn't even show at the packages.ubuntu.com	06:59
kt	sunk8: I have this one, "Ubuntu One client GNOME integration" is it the same one?	07:00
sunk8	kt, na that one would install the GNOME client. It requires nautilus. Integrates with evolution, tomboy and rhythmbox. Seriously there's nothing similar available for KDE?	07:01
moetunes	sunk8: if you ask later there might be more folk with an idea - us and europe are sleeping atm	07:03
sunk8	moetunes. Perhaps you are right. Thanx a lot guys. I'll try later. ;-)	07:04
calumayoo	hello..how do you mount iso images in kubuntu 9.10?	07:15
calumayoo	!mount iso	07:18
calumayoo	!mount	07:18
ubottu	Partitioning programs: !GParted or !QtParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter	07:18
bazhang	!iso	07:19
ubottu	To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.	07:19
calumayoo	bazhang: the problem is that i dont know what <mountpoint> to assign	07:20
calumayoo	!isomount	07:20
ubottu	To mount an ISO disc image, type « sudo mount -o loop <ISO-filename> <mountpoint> » - There is a list of useful cd image conversion tools at http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/CD_Image_Conversion - Always verify the ISO using !MD5 before !burning.	07:20
moetunes	calumayoo: you make a dir then use it as a mountpoint	07:20
calumayoo	i see thanks	07:21
moetunes	e.g. sudo mkdir -v /mnt/mounpoint	07:21
ForgeAus	is there a network viewer/port scanner proggy for Kubuntu? something to discover IP's on on a lan/range?	07:22
dominicdinada	blah ark with the rar binaries wont let me extract rars what is a good gui front end for 7zip ?	07:22
ForgeAus	its not ark that is your rar problem its rar being a proprietary format	07:25
jotall	Is there no LyX in 10.04?	07:25
ForgeAus	you need a package like unrar-free but 7z uh, not sure...	07:25
ForgeAus	jotall: good question	07:25
ForgeAus	!info LyX	07:25
ubottu	Package LyX does not exist in karmic	07:25
ForgeAus	apparently not even in karmic?	07:26
maco	!info lyx	07:26
ForgeAus	(which is like 9.10)	07:26
ubottu	lyx (source: lyx): Document Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.4-1ubuntu1 (karmic), package size 3093 kB, installed size 7924 kB	07:26
jotall	It is available in 10.04 Ubuntu.. I did manage to install it there	07:26
jotall	But not in Kubuntu	07:26
maco	!info lyx karmic	07:26
ForgeAus	jotall? what do you mean	07:26
maco	ForgeAus: package names are all lowercase	07:26
ForgeAus	any ubuntu packages are available in kubuntu	07:26
maco	jotall: ubuntu & kubuntu share repositories	07:26
jotall	Hm, well, it was a while ago, so I might have taken it from their site, yeah..	07:27
jotall	Yeah	07:27
jotall	So is it not in the reps because it's still for 3 and not 4? Qt/KDE..	07:27
maco	it is in the repos	07:27
maco	lyx \| 1.6.5-1ubuntu1 \| lucid/universe \| source, amd64, i386	07:27
moetunes	ForgeAus: iirc nmap can scan the lan	07:28
ForgeAus	thx	07:28
ForgeAus	the ##linux pplz told me that :)	07:28
maco	!info lyx lucid \| jotall	07:28
ubottu	jotall: lyx (source: lyx): Document Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.5-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 3112 kB, installed size 7996 kB	07:28
jotall	oh universe	07:28
maco	it has always been a universe package	07:29
maco	at least as far back as dapper	07:29
maco	(i'm looking at the list-of-current-versions-of-this-package-in-all-supported-versions right now)	07:29
jotall	Ya, thanks for the simple "d'oh" answer.. it's been a while since I used Ubuntu :)	07:31
calumayoo	moetunes: can you really mount in KDE?	07:31
moetunes	ForgeAus: lots of network tools returned from apt-cache search nmap	07:31
moetunes	calumayoo: of course	07:31
calumayoo	:( why cant i? ok... ill try again	07:32
maco	if you want a gui to make nmap easier, zenmap is nice :)	07:33
moetunes	calumayoo: make sure you have the full path to the iso image and mountpoints and don't forget to sudo	07:33
calumayoo	ok	07:33
moetunes	luck	07:33
ForgeAus	uh, now I need to know how to use nmap, whats target exactly? can I specify an IP range there?	07:35
ForgeAus	ahh I think I figured it out	07:35
ForgeAus	instead of x.x.x.x-x.x.x.x its x.x.x.x-x	07:35
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moetunes	ForgeAus: from man nmap - nmap -v -sP 192.168.0.0/16 10.0.0.0/8	07:39
moetunes	so maybe nmap -v -sP 192.168.0.0/16	07:40
theuros1	is somewhere a virtual box image with kubuntu available for download	07:42
moetunes	theuros1: there's #vbox - they might know	07:44
bazhang	!info lyx	07:46
ubottu	lyx (source: lyx): Document Processor. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6.5-1ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 3112 kB, installed size 7996 kB	07:46
ForgeAus	moetunes whats the 16 mean?	07:47
ForgeAus	16 ips starting from .0 ?	07:47
ForgeAus	theuros1: you can always get a kubuntu.iso and install it in vbox...	07:47
moetunes	ForgeAus: I would think from .0 to .16 scan	07:48
moetunes	ForgeAus: -sP: Ping Scan - go no further than determining if host is online	07:49
theuros1	i found it here http://virtualboxes.org/news/ ..	07:52
eirikb	Hello. How do I enable nvidia drivers?	07:52
moetunes	!nvidia \| eirikb	07:53
ubottu	eirikb: For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto	07:53
eirikb	moetunes: Thanks	07:53
moetunes	np	07:54
eirikb	moetunes: It seems to be for ubuntu and gnome (settings)? And i thought 10.04 was released with new set of drivers for nvidia?	07:55
moetunes	eirikb: that's the extent of my knowledge on nvidia sorry :]	07:56
eirikb	And I can't see any "Restricted Manager" in system settings -> advanced tab :(	07:58
eirikb	moetunes: Ok	07:58
eagles0513875	hey guys is there an app which downloads videos from youtube native to kubuntu	08:02
eirikb	I do have a hardware-tab in System settings, but it does not mention nvidia	08:03
eagles0513875	eirikb: what issues are you having with nvidia	08:04
eirikb	eagles0513875: Can't enable the driver	08:04
eirikb	eagles0513875: (10.04)	08:04
eagles0513875	eirikb: O_O what errors are you getting	08:04
eirikb	eagles0513875: None, I don't know how to enable it, can't find any menu	08:04
eagles0513875	give me a vew to open my vm	08:04
eagles0513875	and ill help ya get it working :)	08:04
eirikb	Ah, cool thanks	08:05
eagles0513875	no problem	08:05
eagles0513875	eirikb: what kind of video card do you have	08:05
eirikb	01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)	08:05
eagles0513875	nice gpu btw	08:05
eagles0513875	:)	08:05
eagles0513875	do you do alot of 3d stuff like cad and what not	08:06
eirikb	Nope, I just want effects to make it look shiny	08:06
eagles0513875	lol	08:06
eagles0513875	eirikb: click on the k then applications then system then hardware drivers that will find any drivers you would need	08:06
eagles0513875	eirikb: did it find your video card ?	08:07
eirikb	System Settings -> Andvanced -> Hardware That is what I have tried, and there is no mention of nvidia or graphic cards at all	08:07
eagles0513875	O_O	08:08
eagles0513875	not in system settings	08:08
eagles0513875	see my step above	08:08
eirikb	Personal information manager? :/	08:08
eagles0513875	no no	08:08
eirikb	Found it	08:08
eirikb	Serached	08:08
eagles0513875	ok	08:08
eagles0513875	anything come up	08:08
eirikb	It wants me to edit sources for apt	08:09
eagles0513875	O_o	08:09
eagles0513875	open up kpackagekit and you can edit the sources from there	08:09
eagles0513875	and click on settings then hit edit sources	08:10
eagles0513875	eirikb: ^	08:10
eirikb	And then?	08:10
KeithWeisshar	do you have a link to the kubuntu release notes?	08:10
eagles0513875	!release	08:11
ubottu	Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases	08:11
eagles0513875	!releasenotes	08:11
ubottu	Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) release notes can be found here: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004	08:11
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: see above :)	08:11
eirikb	eagles0513875: The sources seems fine to me. But Settings only let me edit sources	08:11
eagles0513875	eirikb: is that what u said you needed to do edit the apt sources list	08:12
eagles0513875	!nvidia	08:12
ubottu	For Ati/NVidia/Matrox video cards, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto	08:12
eagles0513875	humm	08:12
eirikb	eagles0513875: Oh no I didn't mean that, I meant when I open the application called Settings (Searched) I get to KPackageKit	08:12
KeithWeisshar	is there a separate release note for kubuntu?	08:12
eirikb	eagles0513875: But the apps title is Settings - KDE Control Module	08:12
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: i am not sureu	08:13
eagles0513875	O_O	08:13
eagles0513875	hold on	08:13
* eagles0513875 thinks me needs to do a clean install as i upgraded from karmic		08:13
eirikb	:)	08:13
eagles0513875	eirikb: open up hardware drivers	08:13
eirikb	eagles0513875: aaah, it's a seperate app, I searched for it	08:14
KeithWeisshar	is it worth downloading the kubuntu cd for kde if i already have the stanard ubuntu cd	08:14
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: no need	08:14
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: to install kde just install the package kubuntu-desktop	08:14
eagles0513875	that will install the necessary apps that come with kubuntu as well as kde	08:14
eirikb	eagles0513875: That was kinda hidden for new users for KDE. And System settings just told me "Don't work, must enable drivers"	08:15
KeithWeisshar	why are there separate ubuntu and kubuntu cd's?	08:15
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: ubuntu is just gnome and kubuntu is kde xubuntu is xfce	08:15
eagles0513875	eirikb: restart after enabling	08:15
KeithWeisshar	does the kubuntu cd include firefox	08:15
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: ff can be downloaded	08:16
eagles0513875	and 2ndly its to save you from downloading large amounts of data thats why there is kubuntu	08:16
KeithWeisshar	what default broweser does kubuntu include	08:16
KeithWeisshar	ubuntu comes with firefox	08:16
eirikb	eagles0513875: Ah I understand it now. I was looking at favorites, I should be looking at Applications. Maybe the guide link on !nvidia should mention that?	08:17
eirikb	eagles0513875: Thanks for the help	08:17
eagles0513875	:) no problem	08:17
eagles0513875	also eirikb	08:17
eagles0513875	if you want to install restricted formats like flash java etc	08:17
syon	whohoo. a new LTS release. thanks everyone for their hard work!	08:17
KeithWeisshar	a web browser is still needed to download	08:17
KeithWeisshar	does it come wiht a default browser needed to download firefox	08:17
eagles0513875	on the terminal type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras	08:17
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: download it via commandline	08:18
eagles0513875	its in the repos	08:18
eagles0513875	KeithWeisshar: konqueror is the default browser	08:18
eirikb	eagles0513875: Ok, then I will get some as apt-get install sun-java6-jdk for java, instead of OpenJDK?	08:18
eagles0513875	eirikb: i believe kubuntu-restricted-extras installs openjdk	08:18
eagles0513875	i believe not sure	08:18
eagles0513875	if your not worried about that stuff for now you can leave it	08:18
eirikb	Oh, don't want that	08:19
eirikb	Yeah I checked it out, it's openjdk	08:19
eirikb	Is flashplugin-nonfree deprecated then? (Or only used in ubuntu)	08:19
TheAncientGoat	Ok, wifi card seems to be installed on my LG x130 netbook, but it isn't detecting either of my wifi routers :\	08:19
eagles0513875	eirikb: i saw it in the repos	08:19
eagles0513875	!flash	08:19
ubottu	To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - See also !Restricted and !Gnash	08:19
eirikb	flashplugin-nonfree is there though	08:20
eagles0513875	eirikb: look at that link. also there is a 64bit flash i just found out :)	08:20
eirikb	In ubuntu I've used flashplugin-nonfree for years, always worked. I'll look it up, thanks. Bye	08:21
eagles0513875	eirikb: ill be around for a while if you have any questions	08:21
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eirikb	Ok, thanks a lot :)	08:22
eagles0513875	eirikb: dont forget to reboot for ur vido driver to get workin	08:22
eagles0513875	:)	08:22
eirikb	Yeah I know, it's same app as ubuntu, just didn't know how to get to it :D As in ubuntu you will be prompted after install	08:22
eagles0513875	hehe	08:22
rob0917	I'm trying to decide between kubuntu 10.04 and pclinuxos 2010 ,are there any suggestions to which I should choose .	08:26
ikonia	rob0917: it's personal taste, try them out see what works best for you	08:27
rob0917	<ikonia> thanks I'll try both . I'm really starting to like kde4 over gnome	08:28
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MrKlown	has anyone had trouble installing 10.4 ?	08:33
syon	sorry for cross posting, but #kubuntu-netbook is still sleepy ;-)	08:34
syon	is there an easy way for testing out the NB-RMX? from a normal Kubuntu install?	08:34
MrKlown	when i try to install kubuntu it freezes after i choose english and the disc shows no errors, any idea?	08:34
eagles0513875	syon: what kind of testing do you want to do	08:35
MrKlown	man i wish someone has had this problem	08:36
syon	eagles0513875: just run it on my existing non-UNR Kubuntu install	08:36
neurre	hi	08:36
neurre	is there mini / net install cd image url for 10.04?	08:36
eagles0513875	syon: use virtual box then to setup a virtual machine to test before installing	08:37
syon	eagles0513875: thanks. i guess I could also use the Netbook Live Image	08:37
eagles0513875	:) ya	08:38
syon	so I assume that the answer to my original question is: No, there is not a simply installable (meta-) package to move from Kubuntu -> Kubuntu NR	08:38
eagles0513875	syon: not that i know of but for testing i usually use a virtual machine to test	08:39
syon	neurre: there used to be one hidden deep in the folders of the mirrors, let me double check	08:39
syon	neurre: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD ?	08:40
forge	no kubuntu-netbook-desktop?	08:41
neurre	syon, is it the same as ubuntu?	08:41
forge	its larger I know that much	08:41
Mamarok	syon: of course there is: install the kubuntu-netbook packages, then restart	08:41
syon	neurre: can't remember for sure, but I think you could chose which desktop flavour you wanted to install	08:42
forge	the iso for kubuntu netbook is 700+mb the normal kubuntu desktop iso is around 680mb	08:42
syon	Mamarok: That was too simple, thanks! :-)	08:42
neurre	whats different in netbook?	08:42
forge	!info kubuntu-netbook	08:42
ubottu	kubuntu-netbook (source: kubuntu-meta): Kubuntu Plasma Netbook system. In component main, is optional. Version 1.170 (lucid), package size 24 kB, installed size 52 kB	08:42
Mamarok	neurre: the workspace is oüptimized for netbook screens	08:42
Mamarok	optimized*	08:43
forge	neurre, essentially the screenres	08:43
forge	desktop is in 2 activities	08:43
Mamarok	forge: and it looks different	08:43
syon	forge: wow. that is great "!" magic	08:43
forge	1 for apps 1 for widgets or something like that...	08:43
neurre	what happens if i run it in proper desktop computer?)	08:43
forge	well Mamarok afaik the looks is... similar in style...	08:43
Mamarok	neurre: it will also work, just make your desktop look different	08:43
neurre	comparison screenshots would be great	08:43
Mamarok	there is no panel IIRC	08:44
syon	neurre: screenshots https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook	08:44
forge	neurre, not much you just get lower screenres, and a less usauble desktop	08:44
neurre	less usable in what ways?	08:44
neurre	cant i use the native screen resolution?	08:44
syon	forge: i was hoping for some different setup for the resource hogging background deamons ;)	08:44
Mamarok	forge: that is a matter of opinion	08:44
Mamarok	syon: install the kubuntu-netbook-default-settings so you can tweak	08:45
forge	syon I doubt it	08:45
forge	kubuntu netbook as I said is bigger, so theres more of it than the normal desktop	08:45
forge	oddly enough	08:45
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Mamarok	bigger? How that bigger? The screen resolution is different, else it is basically the same	08:46
ForgeAus	Mamarok: yeah same in concept, different in real-estate	08:46
syon	wicked. thanks guys for the quick help! maybe testing the Live ISO from a fast USB key will give me the cleanest experience	08:46
ForgeAus	(by that I mean screen real-estate, as in as much space on the screen as you would otherwise have to place apps/icons/etc...	08:47
Mamarok	syon: also, for help about the netbook edition there is #kubuntu-netbook	08:47
syon	and if I like it, I know how to transition.	08:47
* neurre thinks there is no such thing as fast usb key		08:47
syon	[09:34] <syon> sorry for cross posting, but #kubuntu-netbook is still sleepy ;-)	08:47
Mamarok	ForgeAus: why are you sonegative about? It is for small screens	08:47
ForgeAus	the netbook remix is about the only thing I think that might justify using mac-like menu's	08:47
Mamarok	if you don't like it, don't use it	08:47
ForgeAus	Mamarok: sorry I wasn't trying to sound negative	08:47
Mamarok	well, you do	08:47
ForgeAus	and yes I agree its designed for smaller screens	08:47
ForgeAus	(which netbook computers generally have)	08:48
Mamarok	so if you have a high screen resolution it is definitely not for you, it is for netbooks, remember?	08:48
neurre	well	08:48
Mamarok	not for normal laptops	08:48
ForgeAus	neurre you can try it nothing to stop you	08:48
syon	neurre: there definitly are. especially compared to a (fast) HDD that has to go through LUKS on an atom ;-)	08:48
neurre	cant i customize font sizes and desktop the way i want it?	08:48
ForgeAus	just be aware of the res thing, so you don't expect more out of it thats all...	08:48
neurre	syon, could you recommend me one?	08:49
neurre	syon, all i've tested have been a lot slower than HDD	08:49
syon	neurre: well, my comparison was not entirely fair... i was talkig about an unencrypted USB key vs. a LUKS-encrypted HDD through a rather slow atom	08:49
neurre	if i put smaller size fonts and icons and remove unnecessary desktop thingies i dont really use, what is there different then between netbook and normal?	08:49
Mamarok	neurre: that's the magic of KDE, you can make it look the same	08:51
neurre	my desktop (on xp) just some quicklaunch icons on the left (widescreen) and thats it, i dont need - or want - anything else on my desktop	08:51
neurre	in that sense, i dont understand "why netbook edition"	08:51
Mamarok	just be aware of the performance restrictions of a netbook	08:51
ForgeAus	neurre becuase a kde desktop isn't suitable for a netbook	08:51
Mamarok	neurre: it is for netbooks, not for normal laptops, how difficult is that to understand?	08:51
ForgeAus	so they sliced it down to netbook so it fits nicer and works better for that type of computer	08:52
syon	neurre: Price comparison pages usually have also some speed comparison: http://skinflint.co.uk/ http://geizhals.at/eu/	08:52
neurre	mamarok, it is difficult to understand because i dont use much at all any other features that the quicklaunch icons :D	08:52
ForgeAus	sorry I should say the normal default KDE desktop is designed for desktop pc resolutions, kubuntu netbook is customized for another comptuer type so it suits the screen res far better, and work more efficiently with less pixelspace	08:53
ForgeAus	Mamarok: that wasn't negative was it?	08:53
neurre	yeah i know but im just nitpicking :)	08:53
syon	:-D	08:53
neurre	ideally there would be just single edition which would automatically work in a good way in all resolutions	08:54
neurre	smaller resolution -> smaller fonts, less space wasted in gui things etc	08:54
syon	neurre: at least with KDE you can change things you want them. this is something I miss with GNOME, really.	08:54
ForgeAus	neurre, you should see the lengths the standard gnome-based ubuntu went to for its netbook remix	08:54
ForgeAus	using a completely different window manager...	08:54
neurre	oh dear	08:55
ForgeAus	(although I'm not sure if thats changed since then)	08:55
syon	ForgeAus: Are they? Wow. Didn't know that.	08:55
ForgeAus	forgot the name of it	08:55
ForgeAus	started with h	08:55
neurre	no wonder im looking for kubuntu instead of ubuntu / gnome :D	08:55
neurre	but ive only used kubuntu 9 a little on my home computer	08:56
* syon fist of all updates to 10.04 and hopes that there is not too much interference with the additional KDE PPAs he pulled in.		08:56
neurre	it got the font sizes really wrong when i booted it to tv :D	08:56
ForgeAus	Matchbox is the name of the Ubuntu desktop for Ubuntu netbook remix from memory..	08:56
ForgeAus	(its essentialyl alternatives for metacity and gnome...	08:57
ForgeAus	they're calling the window manager Maximus now I think, but it used to bee something else	08:57
neurre	3 mins left to download kubuntu-10.04 .. :)	08:58
metellius	after the upgrade my main panel has disappeared. the plasma desktop is still there, but the panel is not	08:58
neurre	im going to install kubuntu on vmware image..	08:59
neurre	i cant spare much more than maybe 50 or 60 GB	08:59
eagles0513875	hey Mamarok im connected to one of the mirrors via ftp where on the mirror would i find the iso available for download	08:59
eagles0513875	nm the mirror wont work :(	09:00
syon	eagles0513875: which ISO?	09:00
syon	mini.iso?	09:01
eagles0513875	no	09:01
eagles0513875	full iso	09:01
eagles0513875	of 64bit lucid	09:01
eagles0513875	damn school firewall blocking http iso downloads ftp works fine though	09:01
eagles0513875	syon: thing i found something hold on	09:01
eagles0513875	nm blocked :(	09:02
syon	eagles0513875: could you just prefix the download links with ftp instead?	09:02
neurre	10 secs left :)	09:02
eagles0513875	depends on the server/mirror if they support ftp	09:02
neurre	hmm	09:03
syon	http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors	09:03
syon	several of those have ftp in their URL, maybe try one of those?	09:03
eagles0513875	:)	09:03
eagles0513875	i got it now	09:03
eagles0513875	ftp into release.ubuntu.com as a guest :)	09:03
syon	then releases/kubuntu/arch/...	09:04
neurre	i need update my vmware first :/	09:04
FinnArild	... so - I started the update to 10.04 as I was requested yesterday and went to bed. This morning, the kde screenblanker was on, and I could not get it off with my bluetooth key/mouse. I rebooted, and now I only get the shell login. This leaves me with 2 immediate questions:	09:04
syon	hang on... 10.04 first :-)	09:04
FinnArild	1: How could a update be so royally f***ed up?	09:04
FinnArild	2: How can I fix it.	09:04
syon	FinnArild: What kind of GFX card do you have?	09:04
syon	does it need a special driver?	09:05
syon	such as newer ATI / NVidia cards?	09:05
FinnArild	eh ... whatsitcaled again - the acer REVOLUTION it is ... It ran fine on my previous Kubuntu	09:05
rethus	10.04 out now. Is an upgrade without problems possible? anyone try it?	09:05
FinnArild	syon: it's a ION	09:05
kaddi	is there are a list if known problems with 10.04 somewere?	09:06
syon	FinnArild: hmhm, htat might need nvidias drivers	09:06
syon	more information could be found from the shell through having a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log	09:06
FinnArild	syon: yes - it definitely does. But whyever should that be a problem?	09:06
FinnArild	syon: it ran fine just before the upgrade?	09:07
syon	i.e.: log in, then "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"	09:07
syon	and check for any errors	09:07
syon	maybe the driver was not properly installed through the update	09:07
syon	this is somewhat tricky with the closed-source drivers	09:07
ForgeAus	thats weird the default desktop for UNE (ubuntu netbook remix) looks kinda mac-like... purplish colour for the desktop anyway...	09:07
FinnArild	syon: failed to load module nvidia - module does not exist!	09:08
FinnArild	but	09:08
FinnArild	why does an upgrade fuck that up?	09:08
FinnArild	and	09:09
FinnArild	How do I fix it?	09:09
eagles0513875	!language FinnArild	09:09
FinnArild	sorry	09:09
FinnArild	forgot the ***	09:09
FinnArild	:)	09:09
eagles0513875	its ok	09:09
syon	you could try to do an online update	09:09
FinnArild	syon: how would I do this from shell?	09:10
syon	hang on.. if you did an update.. it should have all the newest packages already	09:10
syon	sudo apt-get update	09:10
* FinnArild had a perfectly running kubuntu system		09:10
syon	sudo apt-get dist-upgrade	09:10
neurre	now i guess i need to reboot a couple of times first in order to get vmware updated..	09:10
rethus	10.04 out now. Is an upgrade without problems possible? anyone try it?	09:10
FinnArild	ah	09:10
* neurre is going to make a fresh install..		09:11
FinnArild	dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.	09:11
syon	ah. that may explani things	09:11
syon	just do that	09:11
FinnArild	... which means that it wasn't quite finished when I turned off stuff	09:11
FinnArild	now - THAT was helpful :)	09:11
FinnArild	(but poor grandma trying to run her own linux ;) ...)	09:11
eagles0513875	lol	09:11
syon	hehe. tell her how to use IRC ;-)	09:12
syon	and that we're nice folks ;-)	09:12
* FinnArild is not the grandma - it was just an image popping into my head :)		09:12
FinnArild	I know you are nice. It is me who is frustrated :)	09:12
syon	FinnArild: if you were, you would have been the first grandma on IRC i know :)	09:13
FinnArild	syon: don't say that - my sister is actually on IRC and she's just become a grandma.	09:14
syon	now my upgrade just bailed out with a non-helpful error message. "Error 1: bla bla bla" I guess I need more control. from the terminal :)	09:14
14WAALGOI	hii guys.. i want to talk to someone who has done a fresh install of lucid and is free enough to help me with my naive questions/doubts :-)	09:15
syon	FinnArild: I did not say that were no grandmas in IRC ;-)	09:15
FinnArild	:)	09:15
syon	eagles0513875: is there a manual for the fancy "!" things somewhere?	09:15
ads	So, any known trouble upgrading from 9.10?	09:16
ads	Or should i risk taking a backup and hit the upgrade button?	09:16
kaddi	ads I think I'm gonna wake a little longer. Personally.. Not many seem to have upgraded yet	09:18
Dr_Euphonium	greetings	09:18
kaddi	ads you can check known issues in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes	09:18
Mamarok	kaddi: I am on Lucid since the last Alpha	09:18
Mamarok	ads: there should be no big problems	09:19
ads	kaddi: same for me, i think. Backup takes a day ...	09:19
Mamarok	but a good idea is to use a separate partition for your /home, so you ca do a fresh install very easily	09:19
Mamarok	can* do	09:19
ads	Mamarok: this laptop has a full encrypted harddisk, so i need a full backup anyway.	09:20
Mamarok	ads: yes, then you have no other choice	09:20
ads	question is, if i use the following weekend or the weekend after	09:21
floown	hello	09:22
ForgeAus	ok well nowerdays its metacity + maximus, formerly was Matchbox + Hildon	09:22
ForgeAus	sorry, lol old convo	09:22
ForgeAus	was looking for the name Hildon, took till now to find it!	09:22
oxymoron	Mamarok: "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or failed. The error code is 3. Check your install" That started to happen after I installed my /home partition on a new partition and mounted it, weird? :S	09:23
syon	ForgeAus: interesting!	09:23
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floown	I have upgrade too Lucid, quite perfect. The only things I have to notice is the ugly boot. How can I change the resolution for grub?	09:24
Mamarok	oxymoron: did you create the partition and then moved afterwards? That's not really a good idea, you should backup your /home and restor it on the new partition	09:24
ForgeAus	actually its not the netbook edition its the mobile remix... hmmm... maybe I got it confused...	09:24
Mamarok	ForgeAus: Hildon was a mobile phone desktop, not a netbook one	09:25
ForgeAus	kde also has a mobile desktop too, I wonder if its related to its netbook desktop?	09:25
oxymoron	Mamarok: No, I created my partition before a clean install of Kubuntu 10.04 LTS and then choosed it for my /home folder.	09:25
ForgeAus	Mamarok: yeah, I just noticed that...	09:25
Mamarok	oxymoron: that should work out of the box though	09:25
Mamarok	oxymoron: I guess it'ŝ not related to the separate partition, but something went wrong with your installation	09:26
ForgeAus	so the diff is Hildon (for mobile) vs Maximus (for netbook)?	09:26
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Mamarok	ForgeAus: I don't know about the Gnome netbook, I only know that Hildon is the maemo desktop for mobile devices	09:26
Mamarok	actually, was, it's quite old already	09:26
oxymoron	Mamarok: Then another annoying problem. If I dont activate proprietary nvidia driver then I cannot activate desktop effects and use OpenGL for Cairo Dock (Required for transparency), but IF I do then plymouth resolution of logo and everything is going blurry and noisy, that didnt happen before when nouveau took care of my resolution and all.	09:27
ForgeAus	yeah well its not gnome, its hildon, but Ubuntu used it for its mobile (and yes it is what maemo uses... )	09:27
Mamarok	oxymoron: I don't have a NIVDIA card, no problem here iwth the free Radeon driver on ATI	09:27
ForgeAus	I don't know what Kubuntu mobile (if there is such a thing) uses...	09:27
Mamarok	ForgeAus: maemo's Hildon is Gnome based, actually GPE based	09:27
oxymoron	Mamarok: There have been problem with nVidia since I dont know in 10.04 from alpha un upstreams.	09:28
Mamarok	ForgeAus: MeeGo I guess? So far there is no mobile version for KDE	09:28
ForgeAus	Mamarok: IC, thats probably why Ubuntu used it for its mobile vers since its Gnome based...	09:28
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Mamarok	oxymoron: I know why I avoid NVIDIA since quite some time :)	09:28
oxymoron	Mamarok: I know why I avoided ATI for quite some time xD And this wasnt the case :D	09:29
ForgeAus	http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=98312&PHPSESSID=cae ???	09:30
Mamarok	oxymoron: file a bug, not much I can do about that	09:30
Mamarok	ForgeAus: what is this about?	09:30
oxymoron	Mamarok: Youre just lucky because ATI choosed OpenSOurce and the team took care of the drivers fast xD And you should actually thank nVidia for that, I dont think ATI would go OpenSOurce if they didnt feel like they were going under, which they almost did.	09:31
ForgeAus	Mamarok: I dunno just... looking... learning, you know.. general knowledge I guess	09:31
Brick	Guys how is the new Lucid.. is nepomuk a pain .. i have heard it would be enabled by default... and it is actually a huge resource sucker	09:31
Mamarok	ForgeAus: have you seen the date? Also, this is by no means official, and it's apparently still Qt3, so totally obsolete anyway	09:31
oxymoron	Mamarok: And its not quite a bug, its a nvidia driver issue xD	09:31
Mamarok	oxymoron: which is a bug, or how else would you call that?	09:32
Mamarok	Brick: well, then just disable it	09:32
syon	Mamarok: You can't	09:32
Mamarok	if you don't rely on filtering by tags you don't need it anyway	09:32
syon	If you want to use KMail etc.	09:32
oxymoron	Mamarok: Incompetent programmers on nVidia team? :D	09:32
Mamarok	syon: rubbish, that is Akonadi, he is talking about Nepomuk	09:32
Brick	Mamarok: but is it really a resource hog in lucid too	09:32
syon	Mamarok: Isn't that the same? Or at least intertwined?	09:33
Mamarok	syon: Kontact needs Akonadi, not Nepomuk which is the Semantic Desktop	09:33
Mamarok	syon: not at all, Akonadi is the underlying database structure	09:33
Brick	syon: thanks but nepomuk and akonadi are nowhere related	09:33
Mamarok	Brick: as I said, don't activate it then	09:33
Mamarok	unless you want to be able to filter by tags, then you need it	09:34
Mamarok	but I bet you don't have tagged your text files yet :)	09:34
Brick	Mamarok: cool .... i asked "is it? " and not" it is?"	09:34
Mamarok	Brick: yes it is, since it needs to index files to be useable	09:35
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Mamarok	so either you reduce the number of files it indexes, which makes it pointless, or you live with the ressource drwaback, or you disable it	09:35
Brick	guys also please suggest me a cool efficient netbook.. I was thing of vaio but it is just not great and I seriously dont know if Kubuntu will work on it	09:35
Brick	Thanks Mamarok:	09:36
Mamarok	Brick: there is a Netbook edition for kubuntu	09:36
Mamarok	don't expect a netbook to run a full fledged KDE, netbooks are not as powerfull as a laptop	09:36
Brick	I know not the right forum to ask but still what would be a good netbook to have	09:36
Mamarok	if you want power, don't buy a netbook	09:36
syon	Mamarok: I remember I had to enable Nepomuk for sth when upgrading to the latest KDE PPA on 9.10	09:37
Mamarok	syon: certainbly not	09:37
Mamarok	-b	09:37
syon	Mamarok: well the whole thing was a pain. maybe I superflously activated it.	09:37
Brick	syon: noo not possible.. i did upgrade to kde 4.4.2 from karmic and no no nepomuk was needed.. i tried activating it once but it was like eating up the entire thing..	09:38
Brick	Mamarok: ok so what would be the most pwerful netbook.. although not the right forum to ask	09:38
syon	folks, just one fact. I just checked: it was activated. and I did not do it because i was a semantic desktopper ;-)	09:38
syon	well, maybe I felt lucky the other day :-)	09:39
Brick	syon: I give up...!	09:39
Brick	:-)	09:39
syon	Brick: With what?	09:39
Brick	syon: sorry multitasking error.. it was supposed to be typed elsewhere	09:40
Mamarok	Brick: indeed, this is not the right channel to ask for hardware	09:40
syon	Brick: No worries.	09:40
Brick	Mamarok: come one where else could i find the best geeks on earth , about a great netbook to run my Kubuntu(so does that make it seem like a Kubuntu question now.. i guess yes)	09:41
Mamarok	I no nothing about netbooks, but there are a lot of review sites out there, did you Google for it?	09:41
Brick	yes i did and no nothing much around...! by the way how is this new memenu thing	09:42
Brick	does gwibber run it here too or do we have choqok here	09:42
syon	Brick: As a sidenote: The slightly larger non-netbooks with VIA Nano and AMD CPUs have more power, maybe supporting a better KDE feel.	09:43
FinnArild	so I read something about the KDE screenblanker being gone from 10.04 - does this mean I loose my beloved ascii-aquarium?	09:43
Brick	syon: thanks will check that out	09:43
Mamarok	Brick: KDE uses Choqok	09:44
FinnArild	Also - one of the things reported missing was bluetooth - does this mean I will be in bluetooth keyboard/mouse hell again?	09:44
Brick	so you mean to say memenu in kde uses choqok Mamarok:	09:44
Mamarok	FinnArild: it's just not on the CD, you can still isntall it kscreensaver and kscreensaver-extras	09:44
FinnArild	Mamarok: I update online	09:44
Mamarok	Brick: memenu would be what? The microblogging client is Choqok	09:44
FinnArild	CD is SO 1998	09:45
oxymoron	Mamarok: This is weird, if I enable XRender instead of OpenGL everything works. But with OpenGL in system settings => desktop => advanced I cannot enable composite xD	09:45
Mamarok	FinnArild: well, you need it for a fresh install, that or a USB stick	09:45
Brick	FinnArild: and then you can feed all the fish there and possibly i can feed on them too	09:45
FinnArild	Mamarok: usb stick - now we're into this century, at least :)	09:45
Brick	now listening to mamarok's answer.. do we have something called the memenu in Kubuntu 10.04 like that in Gnome(Ubuntu)	09:46
syon	FinnArild: Asciiaquarium is amazing, didn't know about it.	09:46
Mamarok	Brick: what is the memenu in the first place? I never use Gnome, how am I suppoed to know what you are talking about?	09:47
Brick	syon: so you too are getting some fish fries for me	09:47
syon	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu	09:47
Mamarok	Brick: there is a Semantivc Desktop plasma widget	09:48
Brick	Mamarok: you never told me you never used Gnome , so how was i supposed to know you never knew about it....yes that link from syon: just might help you a little	09:48
Brick	Semantic Desktop plasma widget.. what is that	09:48
FinnArild	syon: so - now update finished, I get to the login screen - and it tries to log in, crashes and presents me with the login screen again.	09:49
Brick	syon: do we have it in kubuntu the memenu	09:49
FinnArild	syon: which logfile to check this time?	09:49
FinnArild	syon: (nvidia seems to work fine)	09:49
Mamarok	Brick: no, memenu is not needed, did you read what I told you?	09:49
Mamarok	it's called openDesktop	09:49
Brick	Mamarok: what has open desktop got to do with memenu	09:50
Mamarok	sigh	09:50
Mamarok	Brick: do you really want to use KDE?	09:50
Mamarok	check that widget out first	09:51
Brick	Mamarok: how old are you... you get tired so soon :-).. relax dude checking	09:51
syon	FinnArild: Mhmhm, that is very odd.	09:52
syon	FinnArild: I'd suggest to keep checking the Xorg.0.log	09:52
Mamarok	Brick: you are asking questions about Gnome stuff in a KDE related channel, that's the point	09:52
syon	but maybe this time the older one, I assume your Xserver is crashing after login	09:52
Mamarok	so if you want to use KDE, don't expect Gnome applications	09:52
FinnArild	syon: I'll tail -f it while logging in	09:53
syon	ok	09:53
syon	FinnArild: Anything interesting?	09:53
FinnArild	syon: not anything that pops out;: http://pastebin.com/Pum9yqvU	09:54
Brick	Mamarok: there is a difference between features and applicatiions...this memenu was designed by mark shuttleworth himself and Yes i would love to have that feature in KDE too .. and if you dont know please let others answer	09:54
FinnArild	syon: I have a feeling this is in KDE	09:55
FinnArild	s/in/with/	09:55
SandGorgon	in KDE 4.4.2 on Kubuntu 10.04, I see that almost every app throws this error on the cmdline (http://paste.ubuntu.com/425112/). is there something wrong with my install ?	09:55
Ender2070	the memenu is a gnome turd	09:56
Ender2070	go ask in #ubuntu	09:56
Mamarok	Brick: did you try to install it?	09:56
FinnArild	... tailing kdm.log	09:56
Mamarok	and wether it is designed by god himself or not, it is a Gnome app	09:56
FinnArild	oook	09:57
Mamarok	also, since there are apparently no packages for it, I guess it doesn't even exist yet	09:57
Brick	Ender2070: would be great if you could say cheese and not interfere if you dont want to answer.. and yes you can leave the channel toooooooooo	09:57
FinnArild	so now I got some errors, just not sure what they mean: http://pastebin.com/kipaYhSV	09:57
Brick	Exactly Mamrok: finally you answered what i wanted to know	09:58
Mamarok	Brick: you should maybe rethink that you are in a KDE related channel, so asking about theoretical Gnome apps is not the right place	09:58
Brick	why	09:58
Mamarok	Brick: also insulting others is not the right way to start with, seriously	09:58
FinnArild	besides, Gnome sucks ...	09:59
Mamarok	FinnArild: behave :)	09:59
FinnArild	.oO(was that out loud?)	09:59
Ender2070	Qt apps > gtk apps	09:59
Mamarok	OK folks, this is a support channel, not about what is better or worse, please remember that :)	09:59
Brick	i guess good things should be learnt although i too agree that gnome sucks	09:59
mavallad	Does someone know how to get the win key mapped?	10:00
FinnArild	... so - what is ibus anyway?	10:00
Mamarok	Brick: for off topic discussions like that I suggest #kubuntu-offtopic	10:00
Bucky	hingo, i'm trying to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu	10:00
Mamarok	Bucky: install the kubuntu-desktop package is a good start	10:00
Bucky	but basically i don't know anything about kde!	10:00
Mamarok	Bucky: well, what do you want to know?	10:01
Brick	Mamarok: I appreciate your suggestion but did i ask you to discuss this with me	10:01
Mamarok	Brick: please stay on topic	10:01
Brick	lol	10:01
Bucky	where i can get some info? for example:	10:01
Brick	@Mamarok:	10:01
Bucky	what is nepomuki? and akonadi??	10:02
Mamarok	Bucky: your example?	10:02
Mamarok	what exactly do you wnat to know?	10:02
Mamarok	want*	10:02
Bucky	what those 2 name means?	10:02
Mamarok	Bucky: Akonadi is the underlying database structure, used by Kontact mostly	10:03
Bucky	which is the equivalent of synaptic?	10:03
Mamarok	and Kontact is the PIM suite for KDE	10:03
FinnArild	do you think an "apt-get autoremove" and a reboot possibly could help?	10:03
Mamarok	Bucky: in the system settings, you have the option "Add/Remove software" for package isntallation	10:03
* FinnArild afks a bit		10:03
Mamarok	Bucky: Nepomuk is the base structure for the semantic desktop, used to creat an index allowing you to search by tags, not only by text or file names	10:04
syon	FinnArild: Could you start a different session?	10:04
Bucky	Mamarok, so they aren't run by the user, they are just a layer... right?	10:05
Mamarok	Bucky: indeed	10:06
Mamarok	if you don't use the Semantic Desktop though you should consider turning Nepomuk off, as it is using a lot of ressources	10:06
neure	VMware Easy Install	10:06
neure	hmm	10:06
neure	nice	10:06
Bucky	is possible to import mail and contacts from thunderbird to kmail?	10:07
syon	Bucky: http://nepomuk.kde.org/ and http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/	10:07
Mamarok	syon: I already asnwered that, no?	10:07
neure	what tools there are to make kde application user interfaces?	10:08
Mamarok	Bucky: you should have a look at http://userbase.kde.org	10:08
Brick	sorry guys am back!	10:08
neure	hmm	10:09
neure	now i got a black screen :/	10:10
neure	anyone else installed kubuntu to vmware?	10:10
GNU\colossus	use a better hypervisor	10:11
Ender2070	yeah	10:11
GNU\colossus	both virtualbox and qemu work fine	10:11
neure	better?	10:11
Ender2070	kvm +1	10:11
neure	virtualbox gave me bluescreens last time i tried it	10:11
neure	i wasnt impressed	10:11
Ender2070	bluescreens? get off windows	10:11
GNU\colossus	yeah, well, blame the inferior Host-OS then ;)	10:12
neure	:D	10:12
Brick	ya get off windows your bluescreens would go..lol	10:12
Bucky	Mamarok, thanks for the suggestions	10:13
Bucky	bye!	10:13
Mamarok	Bucky: you are welcome :)	10:13
neure	wtf	10:14
neure	after ctrl-alt-del i was able to boot to login	10:14
neure	but keyboard is not working :D	10:14
ubuntu	hey im about to install kubuntu right now and i want to decrypt my whole device with aes . have made already this commands but there is always an error with the dm tables http://nopaste.info/8cfea8d6f9.html	10:14
cv	how about kubuntu 10.04?	10:15
cv	is it really good?	10:15
BiggFREE	bbl	10:15
BiggFREE	tc	10:15
Mamarok	cv: what a strange question :)	10:16
Mamarok	of course it is, else I wouldn't use it ;)	10:16
cv	i've just join ubuntu community	10:16
neure	hmm	10:16
Brick	cv:It is good.. use a live cd . check out .. if you like it .. go ahead	10:16
cv	i have little exp	10:16
ubuntu	someone maybe an idea?	10:16
neure	if i get to console login, keyboard works	10:16
neure	how do i get back to graphical login from console login?	10:16
ubuntu	strg + alt+ f7	10:17
cv	can i have the application launcher as ubuntu in kubuntu?	10:18
neure	keyboard still not working :/	10:18
Brick	cv:hmmm i guess you wont need to have it as that in gnome.. the K menu is actually cooler and yes you can modify it as you want it	10:19
Brick	cv: well i suggest you have a look at the live cd first .. if you are totally new to it	10:19
neure	lets see if vmwares virtual keyboard can help at all.. :D	10:19
syon	Mamarok: I just thought that links to the upstream projects with loads of text, graphics and further reading might be helpful.	10:19
syon	Mamarok: Think of it as an addition to your helpful one liner.	10:20
Mamarok	syon: well, I guess http://userbase.kde.org is a better link then, since Nepomuk's website is not exactly helpful	10:20
Mamarok	cv: there is a widget called launcher you can add to the panel or the desktop	10:20
Mamarok	cv: else there is krunner: Alt+F2, then type the name of the app or the function you are looking for	10:21
cv	i know about them	10:21
Mamarok	cv: but you should have a look at the userbase.kde.org website, everything is explained there	10:22
cv	ok	10:22
cv	i'll do it	10:22
cv	tks	10:22
cv	:)	10:22
Mamarok	cv: you are welcome :)	10:22
syon	Mamarok: IC. Didn't know about that one.	10:25
Brick	bye guys got to go.....	10:28
ubuntu	can someone take a look at this? i have an problem while setting up an crypted install http://paste.ubuntu.com/425139/	10:34
ubuntu	cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 root works fine but then comes the error ....	10:35
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Clown_Knife	hey all	10:47
kieren	Hey, I KDevelop doesn't seem to be in the repositories for 10.04. Do I need to build it myself?	10:47
Mamarok	kieren: it is in a PPA, let me check which one	10:48
Mamarok	kieren: have a look here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-beta-9	10:49
kieren	Thanks	10:50
Mamarok	kieren: you are welcome :)	10:50
siriox	hi	10:52
Tesssa	upgraded to 10.4 installed Wine is a beta version of wine loaded corel printhouse magic.worked og in 9.10 not in 10.4 any advise	10:53
kieren	Tesssa: any error messages?	10:53
Tesssa	no	10:53
kieren	What happens when you try to run it?	10:54
Tesssa	it loads ok	10:54
Tesssa	but try to open corel it wo'nt	10:54
Tesssa	the corel logo comes on but then corel shuts down	10:55
caris_mere	with the new netbook edition, how do you make columns in the newspaper view? I only have one, but want 2	10:57
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=== denis_ is now known as ZeDeun
\|\|arifaX	how can I use polkit with kde or command line, what is the command?	10:58
kieren	man polkit?	10:59
kieren	http://linux.die.net/man/1/polkit-auth	11:00
kieren	http://linux.die.net/man/1/polkit-action	11:00
Mamarok	\|\|else have a look at the system settins -Advanced tab, there is a GUI frontend for it	11:00
ZeDeun	Bonjour	11:00
NermaN	Hi all	11:01
Mamarok	!fr \| ZeDeun	11:01
ubottu	ZeDeun: Ce canal est en anglais uniquement. Si vous avez besoin d'aide ou voulez discuter en francais, merci de rejoindre #ubuntu-fr, ou #ubuntu-qc pour les Quebecois	11:01
eagles0513875	hey guys :)	11:01
NermaN	please help me, kubuntu 10.04 show black screen (no signal) on my pc after boot	11:01
Ender2070	NermaN - is your pc plugged in?	11:02
ZeDeun	Sorry.... hi. I will try to connect to the french speaking server but anyway I may need your help.... Am I welcome for that ?	11:02
Mamarok	Ender2070: ...	11:02
Mahara	NermaN: You just installed it and rebooted the system ?	11:02
Mamarok	ZeDeun: yes, no problem, as long as you keep it in English :)	11:02
Mahara	ZeDeun: If you speak english, yes	11:02
NermaN	No i run install from disk	11:02
NermaN	I have not tried to run Linux after changing video card	11:03
Mahara	NermaN: Yes, you runned install from disk, and everything wen't fine during installation?	11:03
Mahara	*went	11:03
NermaN	installation dont start	11:03
Mamarok	NermaN: so you did hardware changes after the installation?	11:03
NermaN	no	11:03
NermaN	i cannot install	11:03
Mamarok	can you run the Live CD?	11:04
NermaN	no	11:04
NermaN	black screen	11:04
Mamarok	NermaN: maybe try another CD then, it might be faultxy	11:04
Mamarok	faulty*	11:04
\|\|arifaX	kieren: that does not help. I want to allow my user to create system wide connections in knetwork-manager and thererfor afaik I have to do something like polkit-auth --grant org.freedesktop.network-manager-settings.system.modifiy --user "username"	11:04
NermaN	all good with cd	11:04
Mahara	NermaN: Have you verified the .iso for with md5sum ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM	11:04
Tesssa	so any help with 10.4. Wine beta version and corel draw	11:04
Ender2070	nerman - you said you got a new video card, did you plug the monitor back in?	11:04
NermaN	yes	11:04
Mamarok	\|\|arifaX: have a look at the GUI frontend in the System Settings then	11:04
NermaN	i hear sound of kde starting	11:05
ZeDeun	Thanks. So, I ahve a stange problem with my sound card : Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01). I can play sounds with firfox and windows (via virtualbox). However, any trial with a KDE aplication krsh it straightforward. Strange isn't it ?	11:05
Ender2070	does your monitor have linux drivers?	11:05
NermaN	monitor do not require that	11:05
Ender2070	whats the word	11:05
NermaN	on previous video card everything worked	11:06
Mamarok	no, indeed	11:06
Ender2070	graphics chip	11:06
Mahara	NermaN: Please check the md5sum of the .iso or CD	11:06
NermaN	HD5770	11:06
Mamarok	NermaN: well, what Video card did you install? Also, did you try running the live CD after that hardware change?	11:06
Mamarok	and yes, check the md5sum of the CD iso	11:07
Mahara	ZeDeun: You hear the sound when Kubuntu is starting up ?	11:07
NermaN	Mamarok: already checked	11:07
SkEmO	ahhhhhhhhhhh	11:07
SkEmO	i get error 1	11:07
SkEmO	again	11:07
Mamarok	SkEmO: behave!	11:07
SkEmO	damn it!	11:07
SkEmO	Mamarok: uh?	11:08
Mamarok	!language \| SkEmO	11:08
ubottu	SkEmO: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.	11:08
ZeDeun	Mahara : No. Nothing. When I lunch Amarok, it krash. The same for the System config/Multimedia.	11:08
Mamarok	SkEmO: no swearing here, please	11:08
SkEmO	lol what did i do?	11:08
Torch	Tesssa: it's not unusual that support for a specific application breaks from one wine version to the next	11:08
Mahara	ZeDeun: Do you receive some kind of errors message ? or it just crashed without a warning, like Error encounter etc.	11:08
Mamarok	ZeDeun: whihc phonon backend do you use? And if Amarok crashes, do you get a backtrace? Else you should install the amarok-dbg package and try again, might not be sound related	11:09
Tesssa	i had a similar problem to Nerman i reloaded 9.10 and then upgraded to 10.4 and it works ok	11:09
Tesssa	ok thanks Torch	11:09
NermaN	I have long been used 9.04 with 8800GT, then I bought a hd5770 and install driver, everything worked fine, but after upgrading to 10.04 Linux completely broke and I deleted it for reinstall.	11:09
SkEmO	does any version of linux supports soft buttons?	11:09
NermaN	And now i cannot run installation	11:10
Mamarok	define soft buttons?	11:10
Ender2070	Skemo - 2.6.35	11:10
Mahara	NermaN: You should first remove the driver for the old card and also the new card, and try installing again within 10.04	11:10
Mamarok	Ender2070: try tab completion, else he is not highlighted	11:10
NermaN	Tesssa: thanks i will tru	11:10
SkEmO	Mamarok: my laptop has the wifi and bluetooth buttons, that i need to press to activate them, but i've tried all versions prior to 9.10, and non of them seem to be compatible	11:10
theuros1	is there a way to have gnome and kde together without mixing up applications between them ? .. i installed kde but i hate that all kde programs are visibler in gnome and vice versa	11:10
ZeDeun	Mahara : 5how do you get this color background ? ) No only krash report about segmentation fault. I coould send it to you but I think it might be too much text on this chat.	11:10
NermaN	Mahara: Live CD dont run	11:10
SkEmO	meaning, i cant use the wifi	11:11
Ender2070	SkEmO: 2.6.35	11:11
NermaN	and installation dont run	11:11
SkEmO	I see	11:11
Torch	theuros1: that is per design.	11:11
Mamarok	OK, food time, laters	11:11
NermaN	where i must delete driver?	11:11
Tesssa	your welcome Nerman	11:11
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Tesssa	hope it helps	11:11
Mahara	NermaN: Try Ubuntu maybe it will work..	11:11
Guest69464	how could i redirect output of command to variable	11:12
SkEmO	sigh i cant update to 10.4, keeps saying i need more space, and i have 12 gb of free space	11:12
SkEmO	:(	11:12
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Mahara	Guest69464: test=`comand`	11:12
Mahara	Guest69464: use backticks	11:12
spirov92	hi, I'm considering upgrading to 10.04, is the upgrade procedure good? I wouldn't want to spend the weekend fixing a broken system :)	11:13
Mahara	Guest69464: or test=$(command)	11:13
theuros1	Torch ... what you mean ?	11:13
Torch	theuros1: the kickoff menu in KDE will show installed applications, no matter if they are gnome or a kde apps. this is how it is meant to be.	11:14
Mahara	ZeDeun: use paste.ubuntu.com for the error report	11:14
=== christian is now known as Guest46538
=== 77CAALJWY is now known as spiegel
ZeDeun	spirov 92 : I had tried it this morning, it was working fine until it said I need 1go on /var end about 4Go on /usr	11:15
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Guest69464	Mahara: i did var= $(kdialog --menu "Select a option" 1 "Start" d "Stop" m "Usage" ) but it doesn't work	11:16
Torch	Guest69464: works for me	11:17
theuros1	is there a way to move all kde app in some submenu names KDE ? in gnome i mean ... and in kde to move all gnome app in some other submenu ?	11:17
Torch	theuros1: no.	11:17
ZeDeun	Mahara : Thanks for your answer. I do not the use of these things.... where and when or from which application can i send this command ? I did from konqueror and worked, is that correct ?	11:18
Mahara	ZeDeun: You said that when you start Amarok it crashes, I'm a corectly? If so report the bug and when you arrive at the step where you see the backtrace log copy/paste it to paste.ubuntu.com and post the link here	11:19
Mahara	ZeDeun: Don't actually send the bug the tracker just copy the backtrace	11:20
ZeDeun	All right.	11:20
Guest69464	Torch: do u know how to use kdialog to get menuentry in variable	11:21
Torch	Guest69464: the code you pasted is correct	11:21
ZeDeun	Mahara : I have to install the debug package. I will come back later on that topic. I have another one....	11:23
Guest69464	Torch: but it gives me error that ./2.sh: line 4: 1: command not found where 2 is name of my script and this command is at line 4	11:25
Torch	Guest69464: remove the space after the '='	11:25
eagles0513875	!paste \| Guest69464	11:25
ubottu	Guest69464: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com \| To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin \| !pastebinit to paste directly from command line \| Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.	11:25
ZeDeun	I had install LVM and use it. I did a resize of one lv. Worked fine. I did it on kubuntu and Fedora. In both case, the kernel seems to not recognise the new size of the disk. My kernel is this one :2.6.31-20-generic	11:25
ZeDeun		11:25
eagles0513875	^ so you dont spam urself outa the channel Guest69464	11:25
\|\|arifaX	why can knetworkmanager still not work with vpnc and openvpn? -its a shame	11:26
Guest69464	Torch: thankx	11:26
ZeDeun	Mahara : have a look here I think I did it with multimedia configuration system : http://paste.ubuntu.com/425160/	11:26
=== petr_ is now known as Guest48319
seicherlbob	Hi there! I'm having troubles with my nouveau driver. It freezed the Xserver. It pretty the same as described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/553789. My question is: as this bug seems to be unresolved, can i install the proprietary driver to circumvent the problem for now?	11:27
Guest48319	xxx	11:27
Guest48319	xxx	11:27
Guest48319	xxx	11:27
FloodBotK1	Guest48319: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	11:27
spirov92	lol it's interesting to see the download eta...10 hours/30 mins/7 hours...	11:27
Guest48319	hello guys	11:28
Guest48319	I am here	11:28
Torch	seicherlbob: sure, why not?	11:28
Guest48319	guuuuuys	11:28
Guest48319	pay me attantion	11:28
seicherlbob	Torch: dont know. I used to have ATI cards for the last... ever!	11:28
spirov92	Guest48319: yes?	11:28
Guest48319	install_flash_player_10_linux.deb	11:28
eagles0513875	!help \| Guest48319	11:28
ubottu	Guest48319: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)	11:28
Guest48319	I download --- I seem that I download this file install_flash_player_10_linux.deb	11:28
Torch	seicherlbob: if you have an nvidia card that is supported by their proprietary driver, you can install the driver.	11:28
spirov92	Guest48319: why not install the package?	11:29
Guest48319	how?	11:29
spirov92	I mean, it's available in repositories	11:29
Guest48319	how to instaalll it???	11:29
Guest48319	downloads$ install_flash_player_10_linux.deb	11:29
Guest48319	bash: install_flash_player_10_linux.deb: команда не найдена	11:29
seicherlbob	Torch: ok thanks, i'll see if i can make it. It su**s when your production computer hangs every 20 minutes or so ;)	11:29
Mamarok	Guest48319: behave!	11:30
Guest48319	????	11:30
Mamarok	Guest48319: activate the restricted repositories and get it from there	11:30
spirov92	Guest48319: you could just click on it in dolphin :) not sure about the command, but google knows for sure	11:30
Mamarok	else, to install a deb file, it's sudo dpkg -i *.deb	11:30
Guest48319	E: Для пакета flashplayer-mozilla NOT FOUND	11:31
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Guest48319	$ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla	11:31
Guest48319	NOT FOUND	11:31
ubuntu___	Kubuntu-10.04 does not show any partitions during installation setup...	11:31
Mamarok	!ru \| Guest48319	11:31
ubottu	Guest48319: Пожалуйста посетите #ubuntu-ru для получения помощи на русском языке / Pozhalujsta posetite #ubuntu-ru dlya polucheniya pomoshi na russkom yazyke	11:31
ubuntu___	On Disk setup window, there are no list of partitions	11:31
ubuntu___	:-(	11:31
Mamarok	the package name is not flashplayer-mozilla	11:32
Mamarok	Guest48319: the package name is flashplugin-iunstaller	11:32
Mamarok	installer*	11:32
Mahara	ZeDeun: The backtrace is not of much use; So you did a fresh install of Kubuntu 10.04 and only Firefox and some other apps have sound? Have you verified the .iso with md5sum before burning to a CD and installing? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM	11:33
ubuntu___	Seems to be one of the terrible in the history.	11:33
Guest48319	$ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer	11:33
Guest48319	not found	11:33
Mamarok	ZeDeun: could you give me the URL for the backtrace you got? Make sure you have amarok-dbg installed	11:33
Mahara	Guest48319: what architecture are you using? trype in a terminal : uname -m	11:34
Mahara	Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425160/	11:34
Guest48319	$ uname -m	11:34
Guest48319	i686	11:34
Torch	ZeDeun: you need to install debug packages or the backtrace is pointless	11:34
Mahara	Mamarok: this is for System Settings->Multimedia	11:34
Mamarok	ZeDeun: please install te phonon-dbg package, this seems to be a backend problem with phonon	11:34
Guest48319	kubuntu-8	11:34
Mamarok	that should give you a better backtrace	11:34
Mamarok	Guest48319: you use Kubuntu 8.04 or 8.10?	11:35
Mamarok	Guest48319: those are not supported anymore	11:35
Guest48319	I do not know	11:35
Mahara	Guest48319: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash	11:35
Guest48319	I use XP and Kubuntu with XP loader	11:35
Mahara	Guest48319: cat /etc/lsb-release	11:36
Guest48319	Kubuntu 9 is not installed under XP!!! and I use 8!	11:36
Guest48319	$ cat /etc/lsb-release	11:36
Guest48319	DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu	11:36
Guest48319	DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04	11:36
Guest48319	DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy	11:36
Guest48319	DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS"	11:36
FloodBotK1	Guest48319: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	11:36
Torch	...	11:37
seicherlbob	Can someone with nvidia driver experience confirm what i found in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/548362 and tell me, what driver i shall use if nouveau is broken for me aswell?	11:37
Mamarok	mahaou should tell him to use a pastebin before asking such commands...	11:37
Guest48319	Mamarok what?	11:37
ZeDeun	No no the fresh install did not work due to a lake of disk space. I am still running 9.10, upgraded with apt-get. Sorry I will not install that dbg package now because it takes some of my qupotas 5I am connecting via satellite and it is verry expensive). But I will do it around the 20th May.	11:37
Torch	seicherlbob: why can't you just install the restricted driver?	11:37
Guest48319	$ make adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm	11:38
Guest48319	make: Цель `adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm' не требует выполнения команд.	11:38
Mamarok	Guest48319: you are using an outdated version, you should upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04, 8.04 is not supported anymore since quite some time	11:38
seicherlbob	Torch: because i found that bug report about the nvidia-current package	11:38
ZeDeun	Tahnks a lot Mahara. Any idea to solve ny problem of LVM ?	11:38
Mamarok	Guest48319: your commands make no sense	11:38
eagles0513875	Guest48319: what language do you speak?	11:38
Guest48319	how to upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04???? without downloading disc of 10version and without reinstalling all system?	11:39
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Torch	seicherlbob: do you have two cards? do you run that kernel? why would you download the driver from nvidia.com?	11:39
Torch	seicherlbob: forget that bug report.	11:39
Mamarok	Guest38843: well, there is no direct upgrade from 8.04 possible	11:39
ubuntu	Life got worse when installing kubuntu through usb stick...	11:39
seicherlbob	Torch: damn, sorry. I didnt read about the two cards thing. my mistake	11:40
ubuntu	During installation process, it does not show any partitions = No further installation.	11:40
ZeDeun	Guest4831 : The system will ask you automatically if you want to. But anyway, I guess that if you want a new system, it is worth dowloading it.	11:40
eagles0513875	ubuntu: when it came to choosing partition format did you choose manual	11:40
seicherlbob	Torch: I'm just a bit ... pissed already, because the nouveau driver drived me crazy the last week	11:41
Mamarok	ZeDeun: no, not from 8.04, too old nad outdated, the Kubuntu version was never LTS	11:41
AssGuest	eagles0513875 russian but I was bunned on ru-kubuntu many time ago	11:41
ubuntu	I have no choice in Kubuntu, on partition it does not show anything even though fdisk -l does all the paritions.	11:41
ZeDeun	Mamarok : Yes you are right I did not notice he was still running a 8.04. Next time I'll shut up.	11:42
Mamarok	ubuntu: did you choose the manaul partitioning?	11:42
Mamarok	manual*	11:42
ubuntu	On kubuntu-10.04 there is no option for manual or automatic partitioning...	11:43
Traveler243423	test	11:43
ganesh_	I preapared one script and i want to put shortcut for it in panel how could i do this? I have made shortcut on desktop but i am not able to add it in panel.	11:43
AssGuest	how to get new flash-payer in my firefox???? I want to use one application that needs last 10 version of flash.... if I understand this application right	11:43
ubuntu	The fourth step is 'Disk Setup' tab, with prepare partitions as title...on which there are no partitions listed.	11:44
seicherlbob	Torch: one last question: do i need to uninstall anything prior to installing nvidia-current?	11:44
AssGuest	http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(YUM)	11:44
AssGuest	it is link from this application that offer to install new flash	11:44
AssGuest	I downloaaad it but how to install?>????	11:44
Mamarok	AssGuest: I already told you so: sudo dpkg -i *.deb	11:45
AssGuest	Mamarok sorry I change my nickname	11:45
AssGuest	I did no see	11:45
Mamarok	but the new flash player will not help, your system is too old, you really should update to 10.04	11:45
ubuntu	So, I conclude this is worst (kubuntu) release of all the releases...	11:45
AssGuest	Mamarok ok	11:46
Mamarok	ubuntu: you are a bit fast with conclusions, did you see that the USB installer does not offer partitioning?	11:46
AssGuest	sudo dpkg -i *.deb === debian packages generator?	11:46
Mamarok	no, it is the installer	11:46
Mamarok	you did download the deb file already, no?	11:46
AssGuest	YES!!!!	11:47
Mamarok	AssGuest: but again, it will likely not work well, since you are using an outdated system	11:47
ForgeAus	ubuntu its not Kubuntu's fault its the installer that needs work by the sound of it...	11:47
ForgeAus	Kubuntu's OS isn't defined by its installer, however... it can be one important step to placing it on a PC	11:48
ubuntu	I can make a screenshot of it, but I do not know where to post it	11:48
AssGuest	Mamarok !!!	11:48
AssGuest	$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb	11:48
AssGuest	(Чтение базы данных... на данный момент установлено 127843 файлов и каталогов.)	11:48
AssGuest	Подготовка к замене пакета adobe-flashplugin 10.0.42.34-1 (используется файл install_flash_player_10_linux.deb)...	11:48
AssGuest	Распаковывается замена для пакета adobe-flashplugin ...	11:48
AssGuest	Настраивается пакет adobe-flashplugin (10.0.45.2-1) ...	11:48
FloodBotK1	AssGuest: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	11:48
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ZeDeun	See you guys and thanks for being here.	11:48
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Mamarok	AssGuest: do not paste lines in the channel, send those to http://paste.ubuntu.com and give the URL	11:49
ForgeAus	you might want to let canonical or the developers know its a problem ubuntu...	11:49
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AssGuest	Mamarok installer gpkg said that all is fine	11:49
AssGuest	adobe-flashplugin (10.0.45.2-1) ...	11:49
Mamarok	also I don't sepak russian, you should ask the ubuntu-ru people for help, there is a forum I think, no?	11:49
ForgeAus	btw.. apologies again Mamarok I didn't mean to offend.. (it was just something I thought you might enjoy seeing)	11:49
ubuntu	ForgeAus: I have a *.png file to post.	11:49
Mamarok	AssGuest: it's dpkg, not gpkg	11:49
Anubis	hi there. how can i kill this process: [kded4] <defunct>. i've tried kill -9 process id, but nothing happen	11:49
ubuntu	ForgeAus: where can I post it.	11:50
Mamarok	ForgeAus: nvm, I just don't want any PM messages I did not ask for	11:50
Anubis	this is a zombie process	11:50
ganesh_	anybody how to add shortcut to run script in panel??	11:51
ganesh_	i have made shortcut on desktop	11:51
Anubis	it happen after i upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04	11:52
AssGuest	$ sudo dpkg -i *.deb this command say that all is fine and flash 10 is installeed from install_flash_player_10_linux.deb ..... but	11:52
AssGuest	when I click right button I see adobe 9 ?!!	11:53
karuru	hi i have a problem	11:54
karuru	my taskbar is divided into two parts	11:54
karuru	the left part is black and the right normal	11:54
karuru	yesterday it wasn't like this	11:54
karuru	i'm using the new kubuntu 10.04	11:55
AssGuest	is here guys who did not upgrade linux to 10 version	11:55
seicherlbob	do i need to uninstall anything prior to installing nvidia-current?	11:55
AssGuest	or I am alone who is old-trasher?	11:55
eirikb	How can I create a custom shortkey? I just want to press cltr+alt+t and get terminal (eventually other apps like ctrl+alt+f for firefox)	11:59
AssGuest	eirikb hi	12:00
eirikb	AssGuest: Hey	12:00
AssGuest	eirikb how are you?	12:00
seicherlbob	eirikb: run khotkeys	12:00
AssGuest	eirikb ))) sorry I want to talk	12:00
karuru	how to get my taskbar transparent? (kubuntu 10)	12:01
eirikb	seicherlbob: Works perfectly. Thanks	12:01
AssGuest	is here somebody why installed NEW LINUX 10 under Windows XP??? just start disk with XP installer and install second OS - OS Linux 10 ????	12:02
eagles0513875	hey guys has anyone worked with Creative SoundBlaster 5.1VX soundcard before	12:02
seicherlbob	eirikb: you're welcome	12:02
eagles0513875	hey eirikb is everythign ok	12:02
AssGuest	NOT WHY - WHO!!!	12:02
AssGuest	############# HOW!!!! HOW TO INSTALL NEW LINUX-10 Without destroying of MY bad-but necessory OS Windows XP? ###########	12:03
karuru	install kubuntu on a new partition ?	12:04
AssGuest	ONE DISK DRIVE!! and logical 5 disks	12:04
AssGuest	HOW?	12:04
karuru	dont shout here	12:04
seicherlbob	AssGuest: As long as you have a spare partition or hdd, just boot from CD, install on that partition/drive	12:04
seicherlbob	AssGuest: IIRC there is even an option when it comes to partitioning "install beside other OS" or something similar	12:05
AssGuest	NEW 10 can be installet like 8??? I install without trubles my 8 version!!!! BUT 9 version was not be installed like 8!!!	12:05
seicherlbob	karuru: I think you have to enable desktopeffects... but im not sure	12:05
karuru	i've enabled them already and installed the nvidia driver :/	12:06
kahuna	AssGuest: use PartedMagic to modify your partitions as you prefer. It's safer	12:06
karuru	but still no transparency	12:06
seicherlbob	karuru: nvidia-current?	12:06
karuru	yes	12:06
kahuna	karuru: did you rebooted?	12:06
AssGuest	Now I see that all guys tall me about 10!!! But I use now 8 (((((( I am not cool guy	12:06
seicherlbob	karuru: great, im doing it right now. did you have to unisntall anything before installing?	12:06
karuru	after the installation of the driver, yes	12:06
seicherlbob	karuru: ?	12:07
karuru	no	12:07
karuru	schleicherlbob: i didn't remove anything bevore i've installed the driver	12:07
seicherlbob	karuru: ah, sorry, that was a similar nickname writing aswell, hehe	12:07
karuru	all desktop effects are working but there is no transparancy in the taskbar	12:08
karuru	i cant find an option to enable it	12:08
mrafv	is anyone else having problems adding superkaramba widgets?	12:09
HuuGo	my kubuntu 10.04 boots to command line. I can start KDE with 'startkde' but keyboard and mouse won't work anymore. How to fix this?	12:09
AssGuest	FRIENDS!!! or Frands ))) Somebody know programm that can make movie from images collection? Like windows MovieMaker?	12:09
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mrafv	I've installed plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba, run plasmapkg --type superkaramba --install against the widget and when i add it to the desktop it says: "Could not locate the sk_krel package required for the krel widget"	12:10
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jussi	AssGuestCameBack: please change your nick to something more family friendly. andd you are looking for kdenlive ;)	12:10
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AssantialGuest	ok	12:11
Matisse	hi	12:12
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Matisse	is there a way to stop the system upgrade message to annoy you?	12:13
ct529	hi! I ahve some problems listening to mp3 under kubuntu 910 .... I use kaffeine, but I cannot navigate the file .... that is if I miss a bit I cannot go back a few seconds, I have to start from scratch	12:13
Matisse	ct529, dont use kaffeine for it	12:14
Matisse	ct529, amarok or audicious are much better	12:15
ct529	Matisse: what do I use then?	12:15
ct529	Matisse: but amarok has the same problem!	12:15
Matisse	audicious hasnt :)	12:16
Matisse	or maybe it isnt a mp3	12:16
Matisse	rather a stream or whatever	12:16
neure	HEH	12:17
neure	i managed to segfault plasma like after 1 minutes	12:17
spirov92	btw how do I start the distribution update again? I don't know what the program is called	12:17
* neure is not impressed		12:17
a_h_roth	I have a silly question: how do I fix my Kubuntu Lucid splash screen? It currently displays in VGA with 256 colors, instead of beautiful rich interpolated colors and sized to my screen, the way that it does off of the LiveCD. If it helps: my build of Lucid was upgraded from Karmic to one of the Lucid betas, and I've run apt-get upgrade ever since. The rest of Lucid is great, but this splash screen is mildly annoying. As silly as I feel	12:17
a_h_roth	about complaining about this: any tips?	12:17
tasslehoff	Any kind souls that could try to download http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/expat/expat-2.0.1.tar.gz and gunzip it? I suffer from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gzip/+bug/524366 and need to know if I'm the only one.	12:19
Matisse	!dist-upgrade	12:20
ubottu	A dist-upgrade will install new dependencies for packages already installed and may remove packages if they are no longer needed. Please see !upgrade for the proper way to upgrade to a new version of Ubuntu.	12:20
karuru	does anyone know why the sound in firefox doesn't work?	12:20
Matisse	which sound?	12:20
mrafv	tasslehoff: works for me	12:21
karuru	kubuntu 10, sound in flash	12:21
tasslehoff	mrafv: thanks. and you're on 10.04?	12:21
karuru	sound in amarok works	12:21
mrafv	yup	12:21
Matisse	karuru, tried another website/other vid?	12:21
tasslehoff	mrafv: that's just ... odd.	12:21
Matisse	!upgrade \| spirov92	12:21
ubottu	spirov92: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - To upgrade to Karmic (9.10) directly from Hardy (8.04) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading	12:21
karuru	Matisse: yes	12:22
a_h_roth	tasslehoff: it does NOT work for me, so you're not the only one.	12:22
Matisse	karuru, which flash plugin?	12:22
karuru	Datei: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so	12:23
karuru	Version:	12:23
karuru	Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45	12:23
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Matisse	karuru, try stopping other music programs and restarting firefox, if it works might be a sound server prob	12:23
Matisse	*and then	12:23
tasslehoff	a_h_roth: thx for checking. the gzip version is the same as in 9.10, so I wonder where the error could be. can't think of a workaround ..	12:23
karuru	i stopped amarok and restartet firefox but it still doesnt work :/	12:24
karuru	but i can hear the sound of multiple programs, if i run the dragon player and amarok at the same time i hear both soundstreams	12:25
karuru	so i think it's not a soundserver problem	12:26
Matisse	karuru, but the videos are working fine?	12:26
karuru	Matisse: yes videos are fine	12:27
a_h_roth	tasslehoff: this is ugly, but maybe you can load LiveCD of an earlier version of Kubuntu on a USB stick, and untar from there.	12:27
theuros1	why you use kde instead of gnome ?	12:28
a_h_roth	theuros1: more configurable.	12:28
a_h_roth	theuros1: Much easier to customize, and more things that you can customize.	12:29
theuros1	i'm using gnome at the moment .. i installed kde and try some features ... it's nice .. but i can't see any good reason to use it .... my forst impression was that is made for easy transaction from windows to linux	12:30
tasslehoff	a_h_roth: I have a server that I can do it on.	12:30
karuru	Matisse: i solved it :) the pcm adjuster was low	12:30
xrfang	It very strange that while using ubuntu 9.10 (with kubuntu-desktop installed) and kde 4.4 (got from ppa) there is no problem, but now when using kubuntu 10.04, dolphin keeps crashing especially while copying around large amount of files... is this a known bug?	12:31
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a_h_roth	tasslehoff: Good luck.	12:31
karuru	xrfang: i had the bug that dolphin crashes in debian testing, but now with kubuntu 10.04 it didn't crash anymore	12:32
xrfang	my problem is reversed, and in 910/1004, I both use kde 4.4.2	12:32
JuJuBee	Is it possible to have 9.04 and 10.04 point to different .kde folders on same /home/me folder? I have /home on server and my laptop uses 10.04 but my desktop uses 9.04...	12:38
saintly	update to 10.04 successful	12:38
Torch	JuJuBee: just set a different KDEHOME env var	12:40
JuJuBee	Torch: where do I set it?	12:40
Torch	JuJuBee: you could try ~/.xsessionrc, but off the top of my head i'm not sure if that would not come to late.	12:42
Torch	s,to,too,	12:42
Torch	JuJuBee: brute force is something like /etc/environment	12:42
\|\|arifaX	can I manually call the vpnc and openvpn helper scripts from the commandline?	12:42
Anubis	is anyone tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia on 10,04?	12:46
mrafv	Anubis: nvidia-current	12:46
shadeslayer	Anubis: just open jockey-kde and it should do the trick	12:47
Anubis	shadeslayer, mrafv: thanks	12:49
vadi01	can someone tell me how good 10.04 is?	12:50
vadi01	i plan to install it today	12:50
Anubis	vadi01: try it in a virtual machine.	12:51
JuJuBee	Torch: I will give it a try	12:51
mrafv	if you were using the ppa on karmic you won't notice much of a change	12:51
JuJuBee	shadeslayer: what is jockey-kde?	12:52
vadi01	ah yea virtual machine	12:53
JuJuBee	is it like envy?	12:53
vadi01	by the way whats the difference between kvm and virtual machine	12:54
a_h_roth	JuJuBee: jockey-kde detects your hardware that might need a non free driver to work properly. Like closed nvidia drivers.	12:54
pookito	Hi everyone, is ubuntuone working with the new release of kubuntu?	12:54
a_h_roth	JuJuBee: It also recommends which driver to use for full effect.	12:55
shadeslayer	!jockey \| JuJuBee	12:55
shadeslayer	meh...	12:55
mrafv	!superkaramba	12:55
ubottu	superkaramba is an application that gives you interactive eye-candy on your desktop. To get themes for it, head over to http://kde-look.org	12:55
mrafv	you lie ubottu: it's broken	12:56
JuJuBee	a_h_roth: thanks, I ran it and it is installing the drivers... I just installed 10.04rc 2 days ago. System settings did a good job with display, but it didn't seem to stick. I use twinview	12:56
Torch	JuJuBee: nvidias binary blob does not fully support xrandr. use their config tool for setup.	12:56
JuJuBee	Thats what I used with 9.x so will this grab that tool for me also?	12:57
JuJuBee	Wow, the install is verrrrrrryyyyyy slow.... running for 4 minutes and only 13% done...	12:58
JuJuBee	fsck is faster... :)	12:58
JuJuBee	Do I need to install mp3 support still for amarok to work on my mp3s out of the box?	12:59
shadeslayer	JuJuBee: how are you installing?	12:59
JuJuBee	shadeslayer: nvidia drivers? using jockey-kde	13:00
shadeslayer	JuJuBee: oh youre saying that installing the drivers is slow?	13:01
JuJuBee	yes	13:01
JuJuBee	at 27% now...	13:01
pookito	can someone tell if ubuntuone is working with the new release of kubuntu?	13:02
tsimpson	you need to use the ubuntu packages (as there is no KDE package yet)	13:02
pookito	I know, I installed all the packages but it comes up and then is gone	13:03
tsimpson	there should be an icon in the tray I think	13:03
pookito	well, thanks anyways	13:03
pookito	:D	13:03
shadeslayer	JuJuBee: oh itll take some time to download the drivers	13:05
JuJuBee	Why so long? just the number of people upgrading ?	13:05
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JuJuBee	I downloaded the kubuntu iso faster than this...	13:06
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moetunes	JuJuBee: the servers always are overloaded after a new release	13:06
JuJuBee	Oh, I thought they would come from nvidia servers... It's ok, I can wait... Thanks for the help.	13:07
shadeslayer	JuJuBee: um actually no,theyre from the ubuntu servers	13:07
shadeslayer	JuJuBee: i prefer doing sudo apt-get install nvidia-current...	13:08
Matisse	spirov92, did the links help?	13:08
JuJuBee	Im just glad I got 10 working. The live CD wasn't working and I tried installing alernate. that did not work initiially. Turns out my problem was related to a conflict with a bluetooth wireless adapter for my smartboard (classroom interactive whiteboard)	13:08
JuJuBee	shadeslayer: I know for next time.	13:08
shadeslayer	:)	13:09
saintly	Upgrade to 10.04 done	13:09
calumayoo	will sudo aptitude upgrade upgrade my 9.10 to 10.04?	13:09
shadeslayer	calumayoo: no	13:09
moetunes	!upgrade	13:09
ubottu	For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - To upgrade to Karmic (9.10) directly from Hardy (8.04) see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/KarmicUpgrades/Kubuntu/8.04 - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading	13:09
saintly	now i cant locate any of my drivers, i have no sound at all	13:09
spirov92	Matisse: yea, it's downloading stuff right now...sadly my connection is tragic, it's 50kbps and only works half of the time	13:10
calumayoo	okay	13:10
shadeslayer	calumayoo: if you want a command line upgrade do : do-release-upgrade	13:10
JuJuBee	Since I installed 10.04 rc, I don't need to reinstall the final release, correct? regular apt-get update/upgrades will bring me up to date?	13:10
saintly	can anyone help me with my sound issues?	13:10
ShishKabab	Hi. I'm having some Akonadi issues after distribution upgrade to 10.04 which make KMail crash. Here's the relevant part of the Akonadi self test. The rest of them are successful. http://pastebin.com/XpgDSWX6	13:11
Matisse	spirov92, stay tuned :)	13:11
shadeslayer	ShishKabab: this is a known issue,read the release notes :)	13:11
saintly	maybe i just need to reinstall the drivers? im lost	13:12
moetunes	saintly: does aplay -l list the card?	13:12
saintly	aplay?	13:12
shadeslayer	saintly: in a konsole do : aplay -l	13:12
moetunes	saintly: it is a command line app - open konsole and type aplay -l it should show the card	13:13
kramerstefan	hi, since my laptop did a suspend today, I can not reach the network any more	13:13
kramerstefan	knetworkmanager says that network management is disabled	13:13
ShishKabab	shadeslayer: You mean http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release ?	13:13
shadeslayer	ShishKabab: yes	13:14
kramerstefan	any idea how I could solve that problem?	13:14
shadeslayer	kramerstefan: yeah that happened to me too,i installed plasma-widget-networkmanagement	13:14
saintly	moetunes, how do i get tht last symbol, is it -\|?	13:14
moetunes	saintly: it is a lower case L	13:15
moetunes	l for list	13:15
kramerstefan	shadeslayer: and that did solve the problem?	13:15
shadeslayer	kramerstefan: yes :)	13:16
saintly	moetunes, card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 0: ALC269 Analog [ALC269 Analog]	13:16
saintly	Subdevices: 1/1	13:16
saintly	Subdevice #0: subdevice #0	13:16
saintly	card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 3: INTEL HDMI [INTEL HDMI]	13:16
saintly	Subdevices: 1/1	13:16
FloodBotK3	saintly: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.	13:16
saintly	Subdevice #0: subdevice #0	13:16
* shadeslayer downloads SRU updates		13:16
calumayoo	shadeslayer: do-release-upgrade only or sudo aptitude do-release-upgrade?	13:17
saintly	O.o	13:17
vadi01	has this bug been fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290	13:17
shadeslayer	calumayoo: sudo do-release-upgrade	13:17
kramerstefan	shadeslayer: ok, so i'll try :-)	13:17
shadeslayer	vadi01: its in lucid-proposed	13:18
moetunes	saintly: there is a website to help setting sound up - click on this link	13:18
moetunes	!sound \| saintly	13:18
ubottu	saintly: If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3	13:18
saintly	ok	13:18
ShishKabab	shadeslayer: I already tried to reboot the whole PC (which includes Akonadi), but KMail hangs now after popping up a KWallet dialog.	13:18
saintly	ty	13:18
moetunes	np	13:18
vadi01	shadeslayer: what does that mean? sorry am new in kununtu	13:19
shadeslayer	vadi01: ok,it means that it is in the repo named lucid proposed updates and will be moved to lucid updates after proper testing :)	13:19
shadeslayer	ShishKabab: hmm...its probably a akonadi bug...	13:20
calumayoo	shadeslayer: thanks... ill do it after the the upgrade...	13:20
shadeslayer	ShishKabab: http://launchpad.net/bugs/564263	13:21
vadi01	shadeslayer: can i just use it from the lucid-proposed repo then? if yes then all i have to do is just enable the updates testing repo right?	13:21
shadeslayer	calumayoo: uhh..	13:21
calumayoo	?	13:21
shadeslayer	calumayoo: that command upgrades you to 10.04	13:21
calumayoo	yeah... i have already keyed in the aptitude upgrade	13:22
shadeslayer	you can exit that...	13:22
calumayoo	gotta wait for at least 30 mins to do the do-release-upgrade	13:22
shadeslayer	press ctrl+C	13:22
calumayoo	really?	13:22
calumayoo	it wont do harm?	13:22
shadeslayer	calumayoo: nope	13:22
calumayoo	thanks	13:22
shadeslayer	calumayoo: what aptitude does is download the packages and THEN install them,you can safely exit during the download stage	13:23
calumayoo	i see. thanks	13:23
shadeslayer	np	13:25
JuJuBee	Should I install sun's java or open?	13:25
shadeslayer	JuJuBee: i would suggest open if you dont use java alot	13:26
shadeslayer	and it works for you perfectly	13:26
JuJuBee	I don't, but I use eclipse and it needs it.	13:26
tsimpson	the open java really should be able to do mostly everything the closed java can	13:26
ubuntu___	italiani?	13:26
tsimpson	and, you can even file bugs against the open version! ;)	13:26
shadeslayer	hehe	13:27
tsimpson	!it \| ubuntu___	13:27
ubottu	ubuntu___: Vai su #ubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie! (per entrare, scrivi « /join #ubuntu-it » senza virgolette)	13:27
JuJuBee	tsimpson: thanks	13:27
Matisse	After logging in there's always this upgrade-to-10.4-hint. how do i remove it permanently?	13:28
tsimpson	Matisse: not sure, maybe #kubuntu-devel knows	13:31
kramerstefan	shadeslayer: it works! thank you:)	13:32
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calumayoo	!ms office	13:36
calumayoo	!microsoft office	13:36
wtfplymouth	does somone know how to ignore mount errors during boot?	13:36
wtfplymouth	does somone know how to ignore mount errors during boot?	13:41
shadeslayer	wtfplymouth: i wouldnt do that...	13:41
wtfplymouth	shadeslayer: i need to do it. i added custom entries for usb disks and they arent always connected. (its ubuntu server)	13:42
shadeslayer	wtfplymouth: you mean in /etc/fstab ? well if it doesnt find them,does it not skip them>	13:43
wtfplymouth	the probelm is that the boot stops and i cannot login with ssh	13:43
wtfplymouth	yes in fstab. 9.10 booted with errors	13:44
wtfplymouth	in 10.04 you have to press s to skip	13:44
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shadeslayer	hmm	13:44
anj	Possibly stupid question follows: I've been using Lucid for a while... aren't there any upgrades now that 10.04 is released?	13:45
shadeslayer	wtfplymouth: well all i know is that mountall is responsible for mounting the disks	13:45
shadeslayer	anj: why would there be?	13:45
shadeslayer	anj: i think there is a day 0 update for grub...	13:46
anj	shadeslayer: because I would have thought the release version would be different from the RC	13:46
Pici	!final	13:47
ubottu	If you installed a Alpha/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 10.04 (Lucid Lynx) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Lucid. To make sure, type « sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade » in a console.	13:47
shadeslayer	anj: well it usually isnt :) , the archive is frozen just before RC	13:47
shadeslayer	ah nice, theres a factiod about it :P	13:47
anj	shadeslayer: oh, ok. so basically the Kubuntu I have now is "meant" to be more or less the Kubuntu I had a week ago.	13:47
anj	too bad, I was hoping for a final batch of fixes	13:48
shadeslayer	anj: yes,thats the point of freezing the archives,so that the devs dont upload any more fixes which might break more stuff than they fix :P	13:48
calumayoo	!repos	13:49
ubottu	The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories	13:49
anj	I see... may have to tinker more and/or file more bug reports after all.	13:51
Catchief	Hi everyoune =) I upgraded my Kubuntu yesterday and now i dont have any sound in flash videos like on youtube. Anyone has a clue how to fix it?	13:51
saintly	alright i need someoen who knows a lil somethin bout sound	13:56
FinnArild	So ...	13:56
FinnArild	KDE crashes after login - which logfile should I peek at?	13:56
saintly	my codec file online is missing the modules for ALC269, as well as all the other modules	13:56
saintly	i need this>>>>Codec: Realtek ALC269	13:57
saintly	without this it would appear sound wont come back.	13:58
saintly	Also within 10.04 i cant find the channels listing that will alow me to change the card order, as it was with 9.10	13:59
saintly	!sound	14:00
ubottu	If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3	14:00
saintly	still stuck	14:01
saintly	is ther anyone home amongst the 290 ppl online?	14:01
moetunes	saintly: it's a matter of being familiar with your prob - I'll have a quick google for you	14:02
saintly	oh okkies	14:02
saintly	i used ur sound truoble shooting, and this is where i got, so im enlightend on the issue, just now i know im stuck.	14:03
FinnArild	hm	14:04
FinnArild	I wonder - if I delete my .kde file after upgrading - maybe that will help?	14:04
moetunes	http://michaelminn.com/linux/toshiba-u505/ gives a how to for that card half way down	14:04
moetunes	saintly: ^^	14:04
saintly	alright tyy	14:04
* FinnArild can't try it out since this is on the media pc and his wife is currently hugging the TV		14:04
saintly	moetunes: will this file work for a Dell Mini too you think?	14:05
moetunes	saintly: if it is the same card the rest of the system doesn't matter	14:05
zus	where do i find the repositories? and stff for dvd and so on?	14:06
saintly	alright bbl	14:07
moetunes	luck	14:07
zus	where do i find the repositories for lucid, (reword mysefl)	14:09
Alienarch	Anyone know what program association I set for .apt files?	14:10
moetunes	zus: trying to upgrade by changing the sources.list file?	14:10
zus	moetunes, no fresh install of 10.4. i forgot to save my book marks but they were all ubuntu karmic links anyways..	14:11
moetunes	!repos \| zus this should have them	14:12
ubottu	zus this should have them: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories	14:12
zus	moetunes, thasnk	14:13
moetunes	np	14:13
basajaun	after upgrade to 10.04 windows do not cover all screen anymore ideas?	14:14
pookito	Not too long ago I finished downloading UNR, and the usb creator from kubuntu can not read the image file. It is a ".img"	14:18
pookito	Any reason why?	14:18
pookito	Anyone please?	14:19
moetunes	pookito: are you talking about unetbootin?	14:19
moetunes	!unr	14:20
ubottu	Ubuntu Netbook Remix is a slightly altered version of Ubuntu, optimised for small screens. For more information, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR - support in #ubuntu	14:20
pookito	thanks for answering. But no. I downloaded an .img file from ubuntu it was the netbook version. when I use the "usb creator" it does not work	14:20
moetunes	will have a link for using the .img	14:20
moetunes	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR	14:20
pookito	Thanks Moetunes, but I did that. for some reason the .img file does not want to be read by the "usb creator" that came preinstall with kubuntu	14:23
pookito	Moetunes: i tried it with unetbooting and still did not work. I did a little research before I got here. Is there anything else that I am not doing right? or missing?	14:24
moetunes	pookito: I've never tried the unr but believe there is an ubuntu app for putting the .img on usb	14:24
zus	moetunes, i guess what i meant to ask was will i be using the karmic ppa's and repositories or is there a lucid one? i found this https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu	14:25
pookito	moetunes: yes there is, I thought it was the "usb-creator" but it does not work? :(	14:25
moetunes	pookito: afaik there is an app solely for the unr .img	14:25
moetunes	zus: since lucid is released I thought that link would point you to lucids repos...	14:26
zus	moetunes, it jujst explained how to add them.	14:27
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Kriss3d	Hi. Has anyone had problems with black screen after showing kubuntu logo after upgrading to 10.04 ?	14:27
syon	finally the upgrad finnished. just one glitch so far: with LUKS (and LVM) there is no splash, but rather just a text mode prompt for my password input	14:28
syon	any pointers?	14:28
Kriss3d	syon, well i havent tried the new 10.04 yet but the login manager should give you an option for it	14:28
Kriss3d	for logging on via a gui	14:28
moetunes	zus: the upgrade should have changed the repos listed in the package manager for you and medibuntu is the same for all afaik	14:30
moetunes	!medibuntu	14:30
ubottu	medibuntu is a repository of packages that cannot be included into the Ubuntu distribution for legal reasons - See http://www.medibuntu.org	14:30
zus	thanks again	14:31
moetunes	Kriss3d: sounds like your missing drivers for your vid card	14:31
Kriss3d	yeah thats what i thought as well.. however the ubuntu 9.10 (kubuntu) worked out of the box..	14:32
Kriss3d	im not having much success with graphics drivers and how to install them.	14:32
moetunes	Kriss3d: you can login and check the X log to find out what;s up	14:32
moetunes	what's*	14:32
Kriss3d	well its not my computer and the computer is across the contry.. so im not sitting at it.. not making that easier either.. but aparently it shows the kubuntu logo then stops.. not freezing but just sorta hangs	14:33
Kriss3d	i need to find a way to at least get to a login screen in terminal	14:33
calumayoo	!palyonlinux	14:34
wtfplymouth	after trying 2 hours of skipping mountig errors during boot im giving up and using debian on my server	14:34
moetunes	Kriss3d: they could press ctrl+alt+f2 login and do cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log \| less to find the error	14:34
moetunes	wtfplymouth: something wasn't setup right?	14:35
Kriss3d	moetunes, ty. ill be sure to pass that along and see if it will let him go to that.. alt crtl F2.. isnt athat just switching to another terminal ? wouldnt crtl alt F1 work as well ? cause thats not working	14:36
wtfplymouth	moetunes: sure i have a wrong fstab entry but i want it to skip this one automatically at boot and not to stop the boot	14:36
Kriss3d	or did i miss somthing ? like the first terminal is the gui ?	14:36
moetunes	Kriss3d: f prob would be ok	14:36
moetunes	wtfplymouth: but /proc and /sys are mounted from fstab iirc	14:37
moetunes	Kriss3d: f1 prob would be ok I meant	14:37
wtfplymouth	moetunes: its just an entry for an usb disk which isnt connected	14:38
Kriss3d	well i was told that F1 didnt do anything..	14:39
wtfplymouth	moetunes: 9.10 booted anyway	14:39
moetunes	wtfplymouth: normally if an fstab mount isn't available it just gets skipped	14:39
Kriss3d	but ill just see what works.. hopfully i can get it into recovery mode.	14:39
moetunes	Kriss3d: sorry - f1 was short for ctrl+alt+f1	14:39
wtfplymouth	moetunes: normally, but not in 10.04	14:39
moetunes	o	14:40
Kriss3d	yeah.. i know what you meant.. but i was told earlier today that ctrl alt f1 didnt do anything..	14:40
Kriss3d	but ill see what works later when i talk to the owner again	14:40
moetunes	Kriss3d: maybe with kdm running and using its' internal xorg.conf the keyboard is borked	14:41
wtfplymouth	moetunes: the problem is that it stops the boot and i cnnot login with ssh	14:41
Kriss3d	well if it at least will boot up i should be able to get it working again without having to do a fresh install	14:41
moetunes	Kriss3d: try the recovery boot option - it is cli	14:42
Kriss3d	isnt ctrl alt f1 the recovery ?	14:42
Kriss3d	otherwise i dont know how to get it into that	14:42
moetunes	Kriss3d: no - just a tty/cli	14:43
moetunes	Kriss3d: hit shift at boot	14:43
Kriss3d	ah yeah.. im on a windows now.. sadly wine + this laptop + wow isnt really running well	14:43
Kriss3d	moetunes, ty ill tell him to do that	14:43
moetunes	wtfplymouth: don't know what else to say except bummer...:[	14:43
moetunes	Kriss3d: if the grub menu shows at boot it should be an option	14:44
wtfplymouth	moetunes: ill give this problem 1 more hour of trying but without skipping ubuntu is useless for me	14:44
Kriss3d	oh cripes.. im not good with grub..	14:44
joshjensen	hi all	14:45
Cookiekiller	hi, I am looking for a guy which attended at the clt 2010 in germany, is he here?	14:47
calumayoo	!canonical	14:49
ubottu	Canonical Ltd. is committed to the development, distribution and promotion of open source software products, and to providing tools and support to the open source community. It is the driving force behind the Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, and Edubuntu Operating Systems. Canonical's website is at http://www.canonical.com/	14:49
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spirov92	btw the upgrade procedure seems to be going well, except for the totally wrong remaining time (showing about an hour...for the last 2.5 hours)	14:51
spirov92	btw a n00bish question..what does TLS mean?	14:52
spirov92	LTS*	14:52
ForgeAus	hmmm...	14:52
ForgeAus	!lts	14:52
ubottu	LTS means Long Term Support. LTS versions of Ubuntu will be supported for 3 years on the desktop, and 5 years on the server. The current LTS version of Ubuntu is !Lucid (Lucid Lynx 10.04)	14:52
syon	Kris3d: I was talking about the plymouth splash	14:53
calumayoo	!aptitude	14:53
ubottu	aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT. Like other APT front-ends, it can install/remove packages and their dependencies. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide	14:53
syon	Kris3d: I doubt I can configure that in my login manager	14:53
mindspin	Hi,I'm running 9.10with kde3.x on sda1 and regular 9.10 un sda5, today I upgraded 9.10 on sda5 to have a look on the new release.	14:53
ForgeAus	hehe aptly named that aptitude survival guide :)	14:53
mindspin	I'd like to set kde 3.x on sda1 as default system, but /boot/menu.lst vanished :-(	14:54
calumayoo	the upgrades taking very long	14:54
fanti	hello, i just made a dist-upgrade (kubuntu) to lucid. all worked fine so far but the splash-screen at boot time looks very ugly. too large fonts, can't read the cryptsetup line to enter the disk password	14:55
mindspin	after installing Startup manager no change is done, the system boots 10.04 on default any hinds, how to set sda1 i.e. kde3.x as default boot system?	14:55
moetunes	!grub2 \| mindspin this is how it is done now	14:55
ubottu	mindspin this is how it is done now: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since Karmic. For more information and troubleshooting on GRUB2 please refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2	14:55
mindspin	very userfriendly ;-) on my old system I just had to set the number, or uncomment the system not needed	14:57
moetunes	mindspin: ubuntu is set up for linux newbies to be able to use - grub2 was an effort to help in that afaik	14:58
mindspin	adding and editing scripots sounds not userfriendly to me	14:59
mindspin	if startupmanageer would do its job, it would be nice for newbies...	15:00
moetunes	mindspin: I agree but those new to linux don't do that - and it really is just which files you edit that has changed	15:01
calumayoo	!upgrade time	15:03
\|\|arifaX	I need program kdcop and I cannot find it anywhere. I need a graphical dcop browser	15:05
calumayoo	!dcop	15:06
spirov92	yay, a minute remaining of the upgrade	15:07
calumayoo	lol, im in the unpacking phase, dunno when this would en	15:08
moetunes	\|\|arifaX: nothing in apt-cache search kdcop ?	15:08
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moetunes	!find kdcop	15:09
ubottu	File kdcop found in kdelibs4-dev	15:09
\|\|arifaX	ubottu: nothing	15:10
ubottu	Saying "It says nothing", "It does nothing" is generally not very useful for troubleshooting. Please be as specific as possible: if you see a black screen, say so, if you see a shell prompt, say so, if you see an !error message, say so - Also, most !CLI commands don't print anything when they succeed, but only when they fail.	15:10
\|\|arifaX	ubottu: will try the dev package	15:10
ubottu	Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)	15:10
\|\|arifaX	oh	15:10
moetunes	!bot	15:10
ubottu	Hi! I'm ubottu's favorite infobot, you can search my brain yourself at http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins	15:10
zus	how can i change the kmenu to display by the program name again?	15:11
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calumayoo	how do i know that the upgrade to 10.4 in the terminal is done?	15:26
calumayoo	will it automatically restart?	15:26
FOAD	Hi, how do I enable compositing (nvidia) in 10.04?	15:32
xrfang	is there any program in KDE to view overall hardware information? I am particularly interested in the video card model and driver I am using. thanks	15:33
tsimpson	xrfang: kinfocenter	15:35
xrfang	tsimpson: thanks	15:35
xrfang	my kubuntu is using a driver called radaeon (DRI R300 Project), and I am using ati Xpress 200M card. Is this the opensource driver or not?	15:39
genii	Is there some note in dmesg output like "taints the kernel" ?	15:40
tsimpson	yes, the "radeon" driver is the open source one	15:43
phoenix_	hello everyone	15:46
phoenix_	i have an problem when installing nvidia driver	15:46
phoenix_	here is the error log -->http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ynveBr7G	15:48
phoenix_	can anyone help me	15:48
tsimpson	I don't see the error	15:49
tsimpson	"Your X configuration file has been successfully updated. Installation of the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 (version: 195.36.24) is now complete"	15:49
phoenix_	tsimpson: i tried a command that override the default settings, it installs correctly, after i try to start xserver it says its not able to find the driver	15:51
moderndayzero	hello is anyone here familiar with console emulators for linux?	15:53
phoenix_	tsimpson: where can i find the xorg log	15:53
moderndayzero	isnt that in the 40_custom folder?	15:54
tsimpson	phoenix_: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old	15:54
phoenix_	tsimpson: check this out-->http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/2ssXZN0v	15:56
phoenix_	(EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)	15:56
calumayoo	yey, restart now	15:57
tsimpson	I've never tried to install the nvidia driver, so I can't really help	15:58
phoenix_	tsimpson: ok	15:58
tsimpson	phoenix_: you'll probably get more help in #ubuntu than here	15:58
phoenix_	tsimpson: ok i will try that	15:58
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vadi01	phoenix_: did you manually install the driver?	15:59
vadi01	phoenix_: by downloading it from nvidia site?	16:00
BluesKaj	howdy	16:00
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blendmaster1024	hey all ... is this (http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty) possible for 10.04?	16:06
blendmaster1024	or do i need to compile from source?	16:06
blendmaster1024	i would assume from experience that i can just use the karmic mirror and it will work for lucid	16:08
genii	blendmaster1024: Perhaps check out http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/	16:09
genii	blendmaster1024: Remember that KDE3 series is not supported after 8.04	16:10
blendmaster1024	yeah, i know	16:10
blendmaster1024	this is just an awesome hack :)	16:10
Kriss3d	moetunes, still here ?	16:17
zus	i would like to use a dock, can any one suggest a decent one for kubuntu?	16:18
blendmaster1024	zus: i like cairo dock, note that it needs a compositing window manager, aka desktop effects	16:19
blendmaster1024	works in all versions of ubuntu and very themeable	16:19
Kriss3d	Anyone had problems with graphics not working in kubuntu 10.04 but working out of the box in 9.10 ?	16:19
zus	blendmaster1024, with cairo dock i can still use kwin or will i need compiz?	16:20
blendmaster1024	zus: kwin is fine, as long as effects are enabled	16:20
ryrych	hi there!	16:20
blendmaster1024	Kriss3d: i've had that before, but with the upgrade from jaunty to karmic	16:20
moderndayzero	hello is anyone here familiar with gameconsole emulators for linux? or can direct me in the right direction?	16:20
Kriss3d	blendmaster1024, well since he got a pirate version of my disc. I know its 9.10 koala he was using before upgrading to 10.40	16:21
Kriss3d	10.04.	16:21
blendmaster1024	Kriss3d: pirate version????	16:21
blendmaster1024	of kubuntu? what!?	16:22
Kriss3d	well he copied my dis..	16:22
ryrych	I upgraded to 10.04 flawlessly but it tourned out I have no audio. I forgot the command to search for devices in alsa - can you prompt it?	16:22
blendmaster1024	oh that's not pirating	16:22
blendmaster1024	kubuntu is free, that's not jsut acceptable but encouraged	16:22
zus	thanks i used cairo on ubuntu but found i was using gnome do and docky much more	16:22
Kriss3d	well.. im too used to having to work with windows enviroment i guess. ( bloddy WoW wont run properly on this laptop)	16:22
blendmaster1024	zus: docky works on kde as well	16:22
Kriss3d	blendmaster1024, belive me.. i spread the linux wherever i go..	16:22
* blendmaster1024 has to migrate to another HD, this one is failing badly		16:23
blendmaster1024	later	16:23
moderndayzero	you try WoW through Playinlinux?	16:23
zus	blendmaster1024, im getting used to alt-f2 actually	16:23
Kriss3d	moderndayzero, i can run wow.. but after a while it crashes..	16:24
rackIT	JMG$1969	16:24
Kriss3d	and it takes me through the entire thing for recovering.. it crashes linux itself.. complete freeze	16:24
moderndayzero	im looking to put all my consoles on here using the linux versions instead of the windows versions myself and not having alot of luck	16:25
moderndayzero	what are you running it through	16:25
zus	it isnt being found when i use the terminal	16:25
Kriss3d	i used to run WoW i Wine	16:26
Kriss3d	Its basicly the only thing that keeps me from dumping even Windows 7 though its not that bad for a windows	16:27
dominicdinada_	dump wow save money and your social life	16:28
dominicdinada_	^^ souunds like a win win	16:28
pa1983	Is USB_Modeswitch included in the new Kubuntu 10.04 LTS? My friend wants to use a Huawei e1750. Just curious. I can set it up ither way but I know him. if he reinstalls he cant install anyting manualy and well i would like it to be idiot safe so to speak before I recomend that he uses the new ubuntu version on his new laptop.	16:29
kde185	I can't install 10.04 netbook, the installer keeps hanging at 47% where it says "Scanning Discs". anyone here having the same issues?	16:29
moderndayzero	mmo's arnt bad i use to play them on weekdays when i got home from work and party on the weekends	16:29
kde185	I'm on an eee 1000	16:30
mischdele	kde185: exact same problem here with the desktop/alternate 64 bit version - on a normal desktop pc	16:30
dominicdinada_	some people play it with bad results haha they had a show about it	16:30
moderndayzero	oh im sure lol	16:30
moderndayzero	and southpark LOL @ that episode	16:31
kde185	mischdele: I found a bug report outlining the issue, let me go find it...	16:31
moderndayzero	BAFFROOM BAFFROOM MOM! BAFFROOM!	16:31
dominicdinada_	it was more so talking about how WOW consumed their lives haha	16:31
dominicdinada_	nerd rage at its best	16:31
genii	<cough> !ot	16:32
kde185	mischdele: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/448316	16:32
Pici	!ot	16:32
ubottu	#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!	16:32
dominicdinada_	!nerd rage	16:32
dominicdinada_	:('	16:32
mischdele	kde185: ah thanks - will have a look	16:32
kde185	mischdele: I think the short of it is that you should use the alternate installation disc, unfortunately I don't think there is an alt image for the netbook remix	16:33
mischdele	kde185: hm, i already tried using the alternate disc - with no success either...	16:33
kde185	mischdele: are you on 64 bit?	16:35
mischdele	kde185: yap	16:35
mischdele	kde185: i'm currently testing if this also happens with a ubuntu-32-bit-version	16:36
ryrych	after upgrade to 10.04 audio stopped working; aplay shows nothing special - it's playing in "silence"; can you help me?	16:36
kde185	mischdele: do you have a wireless card?	16:37
saintly	has anyone had choppy vid issues with 10.04?	16:38
saintly	ryrych i want ur question answered too, having same issue.	16:39
mischdele	kde185: no, only a normal ethernet card - btw, the problems also occurs in ubuntu 32 bit :)	16:39
saintly	choppy vid issues anyone? suck as youtube, movie streaming...	16:39
saintly	such*	16:39
ryrych	saintly: uff... at least I'm not alone :)	16:40
saintly	lol right! i think my trouble MIGHT be a driver screwing up, but ALSA seems to be conviently missing my codec "Realtek ALC269"	16:42
kde185	mischdele: I'm looking through my dmesg output, but I don't see anything that really raises any flags. How bout you?	16:42
moderndayzero	so im not wasting anyones time, does anyone here have nes,snes,n64,gba,sega.psx,ps2,dolphin,etc...... on 10.4 or familiar with the install/setups?	16:42
saintly	Again, anyone have experience with Choppy vid issues...	16:43
saintly	it looks like its frame dropping almost	16:43
kde185	I've had plenty of experience with choppy video, standard linux feature	16:44
kde185	ducks	16:44
saintly	well capn howd ya fix it	16:44
kde185	in my experience you don't fix it	16:44
kde185	that's just life	16:44
saintly	ive seen places onlie where programs are uninstalled, and the vid detail has improved.	16:44
ryrych	saintly: my audio: Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)	16:45
ryrych	saintly: can't remember which Realtek it was	16:45
saintly	ryrych, do like i did and just make sure that 10.04 still supports your card.	16:45
saintly	!sound	16:45
ubottu	If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3	16:45
saintly	use the trouble shooting one	16:45
saintly	it takes like 8 min to run it thru and see whats the issue, if there is one	16:46
saintly	if you get stuck come find me ill help u thru it	16:46
mischdele	kde185: i had two cd/dvd drives connected to my pc and now disconnected the one with no disc in it - seems to have fixed it for me! :)	16:47
saintly	:D	16:47
ryrych	saintly: ah, it seems my upgrade wasn't complete! I did it with kpackage kit in night - went to bed; now run apt-get dist-upgrade and it shows it is not complete! :)	16:47
mischdele	kde185: but i've still no clue why ...	16:47
kde185	mischdele: wow nice, unfortunately I don't have any optical drives plugged in	16:48
saintly	hmm wonder if thatll help me	16:48
mischdele	kde185: hmm - seems to be a rather strange issue...	16:48
lusum	hi	16:49
saintly	E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)	16:49
lusum	how to manage upstart services in kubuntu??	16:49
ghoulsblade	hi all, just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 , but something went wrong, kde is all black background, no tasklist, no startmenu, no desktop/plasma etc. i already deleted my ~/.kde file, but it didn't help. i accidentally pressed ctrl+c during some config diff shown in the cleanup step, wanted to copy the output but ended up intererrupting it. not sure, maybe it was some kde config in etc ?. it went on rebooting afterwards. can i repeat/contin	16:49
ghoulsblade	ue that step somehow ? any help welcome =)	16:49
saintly	what!	16:50
zus	i can not get the magnifier square to pop up when i hit meta +/_ how do i get that back? in 10.4	16:50
saintly	sooo who wants to downgrade to 9.10 hehe...	16:50
adc	someone can help about grub boot ?	16:51
lusum	how to manage upstart services in kubuntu??	16:51
saintly	ryrych you still here?	16:51
ryrych	saintly yup	16:51
adc	i'm running kubuntu, have been customising lot of things, but i'm still trying to get the booting sequence showing the startup informations	16:52
saintly	my permission was denied to apt-get dist-upgrade	16:52
saintly	do i need to sudo apt?	16:52
adc	've been cleaning all splash quiet elements, but still nothing, the kubuntu works 2 minutes long with a black screen, or now my grub wallpaper	16:53
ghoulsblade	yep. or use sudo kpackagekit for nice graphical upgrade thingy	16:53
saintly	thats a yesss lol	16:53
adc	ideas ?	16:53
saintly	Calculating upgrade... Done	16:53
ghoulsblade	maybe add nosplash instead of splash ?	16:54
saintly	sso back to Vid, has anyone found a solution to fixing a choppy distorted vid quality?	16:54
adc	nosplash ?	16:54
adc	that will show all starting commands ?	16:55
pauru	Hey guys wats up? Is everyone ok?	16:55
saintly	hey pauru	16:55
Schmidt_	hi! )	16:55
saintly	lol sound issues, but nothin less to worry about	16:55
moderndayzero	hello	16:55
pauru	Thats the spirit! feels good to see that people are alright :)	16:56
saintly	sudo apt-get remove pulse-audio	16:56
saintly	this strikes me as a bad idea, suggestions?	16:56
Schmidt_	i tried to install ubuntu, but there were problems, so i installed kubuntu ) everything ok now )	16:56
pauru	Hey guys i have a problem with my input and my output	16:56
adc	if i'm not wrong, what i'm talking about is the verbose mode, so is nosplash the berbose mode, or some thing else can do that	16:56
pa1983	can any one tell me if usub_modeswitch is included in 10.04 LTS ?	16:56
saintly	pauru, whats ur trouble	16:56
saintly	no splash would REMOVE the splash entirely, revealing verbosity, adc ;)	16:57
adc	that is great	16:57
moderndayzero	well if no one know about the gaming consoles "NES,SNES,N64,GBA,SEGA,PSX,PCSX2,Dolphin,etc.... can anyone here point me in the right direction please.	16:57
adc	lol	16:57
saintly	:D	16:57
saintly	moderndyzer, one sec ill google	16:58
adc	ok gonna try that and will be back (or not LOL)	16:58
pauru	I am using Linux Mint now and i really like it but when i connect my guitar in the Line in The soud when i am playing doesn't come out, the thing is that if i record and the press play i can hear the soud	16:58
adc	oh just	16:58
adc	what is vga=789	16:58
adc	couldn't find out	16:58
moderndayzero	lol ive googled the crap out of these things and i cant seem to get them either installed or configured	16:58
saintly	i know right	16:59
saintly	Pauru, so ur saying you cant hear it at unless you use record?	16:59
genii	adc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers	17:00
adc	ok that explains a lot lol thank you	17:00
genii	adc: Yer welcome	17:00
saintly	lol	17:00
adc	and about this little ro ?	17:00
adc	linux/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic-pae root=UUID=1521da3c-1d08-4f62-b094-17c7d7e6a2fa ro splash vga=789	17:01
genii	adc: "read-only"	17:01
pauru	Yeah, and another funny thing is that If I right-click the speaker in the status tray and choose "Sound Preferences", and go to the Input tab, I can observe that the proper sound levels are being recognized	17:01
saintly	alright	17:01
pauru	the VU rises and falls properly	17:01
kde185	mischdele: got d/c'ed. any luck on finding the cause?	17:01
saintly	whoo knows if 10.04 removed PulseAudio?	17:01
adc	why should it be read only for bootking kubuntu ?	17:01
saintly	E: Couldn't find package pulse-audio	17:01
adc	booting ^^	17:02
kde185	saintly: I'm pretty sure PulseAudio is here to stay (unfortunately)	17:02
saintly	kde185 mine idssappeared	17:03
genii	adc: Not sure. It's not usually in there unless you're booting from something like cd or immutable media	17:03
adc	i'm on my external hard drive	17:04
pauru	What should i do to fix this (I have the Pulse Audio and now it runs in the tray)	17:04
kde185	saintly: that's very strange, you sure that the package is called pulse-audio?	17:04
adc	nevermind, everything is working fine, just gonna try the nosplash and that's gonna be alright ^^	17:04
mischdele	kde185: sorry, no idea - but honestly, i also didn't really search for the cause any longer now that it's working :)	17:04
saintly	E: Couldn't find package pulse-audio	17:05
kde185	mischdele: ah I see	17:05
saintly	im trying to uninstall acutalll	17:05
saintly	y*	17:05
Zhenya	guys i need some help, I am having a CRITICAL issue with 10.04	17:05
Zhenya	i will be using the machine and all of the sudden the screen will turn black and i can see a typing cursor just sitting there	17:06
Zhenya	the caps lock light is blinking and i can't do ANYTHING	17:06
Zhenya	this has happened 3 times this morning and I have a LOT of work	17:06
kde185	saintly: the PulseAudio package is named "pulseaudio"	17:06
saintly	ty	17:07
Zhenya	i upgraded last night bia the gui	17:07
Delemir_	Zhenya, you should start by checking your logs in /var/log/messages	17:07
Zhenya	ok let me see what i have there	17:07
Zhenya	Delemir_: would it helpif i pastebined it? i am a N00bster	17:09
Delemir_	sure let me take a look at it ill see if i can do something about it	17:10
Zhenya	http://pastebin.org/194987	17:11
Zhenya	Delemir_: http://pastebin.org/194987	17:11
Zhenya	i pasted in the last 2 hours or so since i started using the machine	17:11
Zhenya	(i hope it doesnt go do while we aredoing this!)	17:11
* oxymoron wonders if theres something better than Kopete, Pidgin, AMSN and KMess because all of them doesnt fit my needs which is a working MSN client xD		17:13
adc	i don't get it	17:13
Delemir_	lol hopefully not... and just so you know im in the process of upgrading kubuntu right now. Might have to restart pretty soon. If something happens and i dont come back. Tell my children that i love them....	17:13
adc	nothing's working lol	17:13
Zhenya	Delemir_: i know the feeling	17:13
adc	what ever i do/set, the grub boot is black/wallpaperimage 2 minutes long until kubuntu is started	17:14
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adc	can't get the verbose mode, any informations of the boot sequence	17:14
ghoulsblade	my black-desktop problem was solved by : apt-get install plasma-desktop + reboot	17:14
adc	terminal	17:14
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Zhenya	ghoulsblade: your having the same problem?	17:15
Zhenya	using the computer and then boom black screen with just a cursor and nothing else?	17:15
JuJuBee	Just did clean install of 10 with apache2 php5 and when I navigate to a php file, the browser wants to download it?	17:16
Kriss3d	ghoulsblade, ehmm did you get like nothing after installing 10.04 after it shows the logo ?	17:16
ghoulsblade	Zhenya, yes, it seems	17:16
Zhenya	ghoulsblade: when i did that i got 0 packages updated	17:16
saintly	No sound grrrrrrrrrr	17:16
ghoulsblade	i moved my ~/.kde to some other place as well	17:16
Delemir_	Zhenya, i didnt see anything wrong in your logs sorry	17:17
Zhenya	Delemir_: FARK thanks!	17:17
Zhenya	ghoulsblade: plasma-desktop is already the newest version.	17:17
Zhenya	plasma-desktop set to manually installed.	17:17
Zhenya	0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.	17:17
saintly	having sound issues from hell	17:17
saintly	anyone?	17:17
ghoulsblade	(during login with ctrl+alt+f1 console, ctrl+alt+f7 brigns you back tro graphics)	17:17
Delemir_	saintly	17:17
ghoulsblade	try running plasma-desktop in console	17:17
saintly	delemir	17:17
Delemir_	is it just not working at all?	17:17
Zhenya	ghoulsblade: i have no ideahow to do that!	17:17
saintly	not at all	17:17
Delemir_	or just some app not having sound	17:17
ghoulsblade	a restart might do as well	17:17
kde185	alright I can't install 10.04 netbook edition, the installer hangs at 47% where it is scanning the discs just prior to the Disk Setup screen. Anyone here able to help? I'm completely stumped and google isn't helping. I have an EEE 1000 (SSD disc version)	17:17
ghoulsblade	alt+f2 opens an input bar	17:17
saintly	nothing works	17:17
Zhenya	ghoulsblade: i've trid that	17:18
ghoulsblade	there you can start "konsole" to get a graphical terminal	17:18
Zhenya	ghoulsblade: i can'teven get to that ones it goes	17:18
Delemir_	ok nvm then i though you had the same issue as i did... but mine was just stuff like flash with no sound	17:18
ghoulsblade	maybe with ctrl+alt+f1 then ?	17:18
Zhenya	hmm ok	17:19
ghoulsblade	should open a non-graphical fullscreen console, you can get back to graphics using ctrl+alt+f7	17:19
saintly	flash with no sound you need to reinstall your flash delemir	17:19
Zhenya	ghoulsblade: it seems that it just locks up	17:19
saintly	or reinstall your browser all together	17:19
Zhenya	the weird part is that the capslock blinks!	17:19
ghoulsblade	hmm sounds bad, reboot maybe ?	17:19
Delemir_	isn't that a kernel panic?	17:20
ghoulsblade	i stumbled upon this thread while searching : http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=87227	17:20
ghoulsblade	found the plasma-desktop tipp there, maybe it has further infos	17:20
RnFstRuckHrd	Hello all - found this article yesterday, which explains why my upgrade to 10.04 yesterday killed my laptop. Apparently the Dell Inspiron 700M has been blacklisted? See article and link inside article ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029 ) Can anyone give me an idea if this is something that will change with future updates, or is my laptop stuck on Karmic for the remainder of its days?	17:21
ghoulsblade	Zhenya, it also says that if that doesn't work you should reinstall the kubuntu-desktop package	17:21
Zhenya	right	17:21
Zhenya	ok i'm going to work for a while	17:21
ghoulsblade	If when you reboot, there is no desktop, you may need to put plasma-desktop into your autostart list.	17:21
Zhenya	if it goes down i will be back and bother you	17:21
ghoulsblade	~/.kde/Autostart or so	17:21
Zhenya	i have something urgent i need to finish first!	17:22
ghoulsblade	or via system config	17:22
ghoulsblade	good luck !	17:22
Zhenya	thanks!	17:22
Delemir_	good luck Zhenya	17:22
Zhenya	i'm going to msg you so i can talk to you dirctly later	17:22
Zhenya	Delemir_: thanks!	17:22
Zhenya	i have a feeling i'll be back soon :P	17:22
Gerrit	Hi. I accidentally pressed some key or mouse butten that caused me to see thumbnails of all my windows, until I clicked one (new KDE on new Kubuntu). What key or mouse movement might that have been?	17:24
Gerrit	It's not alt+<Tab> because that shows only the active workspace	17:25
kde185	gerrit: if your mouse is in the top left then you can "push" into the corner to do that I think	17:26
Gerrit	kde185: indeed, thanks	17:29
Schmidt__	hi everyone!	17:32
Schmidt__	Why is it no sound after installation?	17:32
Schmidt__	(sorry for language , i'm from Russia)	17:33
Schmidt__	Why is it no sound after installation?	17:33
saintly	yes what shmidt said	17:33
saintly	NOOO soundd	17:34
Schmidt__	saintly u havn't too, bro?	17:34
Schmidt__	maybe sudo aptitude install pulseaudio can help?	17:35
pauru	Hey guys why isn't ardour working?	17:35
thegeek0100_	!no sound	17:35
thegeek0100_	!sound	17:36
ubottu	If you're having problems with sound see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3	17:36
saintly	audio issues STILL	17:57
muffin2	Hello	17:57
saintly	hi	17:57
muffin2	I put kubuntu 10.04 lucid on my usb drive.	17:57
saintly	give it here. lol	17:58
muffin2	And a blank screen appears after I enter either "install kubuntu" or "try without install"	17:58
cirillo	Quick question: My Windows 7 computer has no username/passwords on its network shares. As in, when I access the shares from another windows box, I simply set my workgroup to HOME (the workgroup of the PC) and it lets me browse the shares, free of any login credentials. When I try to use Dolphin, it asks for a username and password. I set my workgroup in /etc/samba/smb.conf to HOME, and restarted, but dolphin still wants me to authenticate with a	17:58
cirillo	username/password that I don't have	17:58
muffin2	The same happens when I boot it on cd.	17:58
muffin2	I have X1250 graphic card.	17:58
muffin2	Is it a problem?	17:58
saintly	dont know what to tell ya muffin2	17:59
muffin2	This thing never works well.	17:59
muffin2	Maybe I should stick to virtualbox.	17:59
muffin2	Linux hardware support sucks	17:59
cirillo	muffin2: have you tried different graphic configurations. I think it's F4 to set different graphics settings	18:01
muffin2	cirillo : I didn't try.	18:01
cirillo	muffin2: Try a different graphics setting. If that doesn't work, you may need to try the alternate CD, since that card requires proprietary ATI drivers which are not included with Kubuntu and must be installed manually	18:03
muffin2	damn	18:03
muffin2	radeonhd?	18:03
muffin2	I don't know how to make kubuntu use radeonhd driver on console.	18:04
muffin2	Anyway I try	18:04
cirillo	maybe try aticonfig? Sorry, I'm an nvidia guy	18:04
cirillo	sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg << set to use Vesa	18:05
cirillo	he left... well, anyone here with samba knowledge?	18:06
oxymoron	Could someone explain this for me: "You don't have permission to access / on this server." (HTTP 403 Error)? :S In error log it tries to access ~/.htaccess but that isnt the document root for my enabled site, my root is ~/projects. I HATE THIS, same freaking problem every single time installing apache and never remember what the problem is. Could be some kind of permission porblems with root folder, but I have access to it, not	18:09
oxymoron	sure what user group apache2 uses? :S	18:10
oxymoron	Is www-data used this days?	18:19
adc_	hey i'm back ^^	18:21
GNU\colossus	oxymoron: www-data:www-data is what the apache process effectively runs under, yes	18:21
rosco_y	testing	18:21
GNU\colossus	oxymoron: have a look at mpm-itk if you intend to change that.	18:21
adc_	been trying several things on my boot with grub, and finaly fixed something because i've get 10 secondes of intialisation text ^^	18:21
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: I dont intend to change that, but I am trying to change my freaking Document Root by "a2ensite" command but www-data only point to that /var/www	18:22
adc_	i have a question : who is using kubuntu here and has the whole startup time long the initialisation text instead of a black screen ?	18:22
GNU\colossus	oxymoron: if you're after serving some static files via HTTP only, apache might be overkill for you anyway	18:23
rosco_y	Why do I get 404 messages when I try to ask a question in the #mysql session?	18:23
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: No I am after a LAMP-server for developing my framework. I got this freaking 403 Access Denied everytime I install apache2 once again and I hate it. I want to know how to solve it?	18:24
adc_	http://www.yeap.de/blog2.0/uploads/kubuntu/startup.png	18:24
adc_	does some body see that while booting kubuntu from the hard drive ?	18:24
GNU\colossus	oxymoron: the apache error log should provide more info on the specific reason. it may either be a permission problem in your file system, or a configuration problem for the URI you're requesting.	18:24
adc_	because i did when i ran kubuntu from an usb key, and since i'm on hard drive, nothing while it starts	18:25
bjorn	kontact/kmail doesn't work at all for me on 10.04. it complains "kontact(8967)/libakonadi Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Connection refused""	18:25
adc_	it did	18:25
adc_	no one ?	18:25
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: I got this and cant understand what it means: "[Fri Apr 30 19:16:49 2010] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: /home/oxymoron/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable"	18:25
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: It shouldnt even check in /home/oxymoron for .htaccess files :D	18:26
GNU\colossus	oxymoron: is /home/oxymoron/.htaccess readable by www-data? is /home/oxymoron/ read- and executable for www-data?	18:26
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: It should NOT look inside /home/oxymoron at all for .htaccess files :S Thats not my DocumentRoot at all and its readable.	18:27
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oxymoron	GNU\colossus: I cant understand why it even look there at the first place, I havent configured it like that :S	18:28
GNU\colossus	oxymoron: apache2ctl -S might help you find out where it's getting that config from	18:29
Guest55142	is there something special that needs to be done to get my java working? doesnt work in firefox or konqueror and ive installed the bin from java.com still nothing	18:29
Guest55142	on my new 10.04 install^	18:29
GNU\colossus	Guest55142: install the java plugin via apt (synaptic)	18:30
GNU\colossus	Guest55142: you generally don't install random binaries. this is not windows.	18:30
Guest55142	can you tell me what its called, theres tons of java results	18:30
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: Everything seems okay when I runned command "apache2ctl -S"	18:30
adc_	ok let's try it again :	18:30
adc_	did someone here install kubuntu on an hard drive ?	18:31
Guest55142	i wouldnt call it random, after no success to get my java working i downloaded http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=39489 from sun java and installed as said per their website, yes im new to linux as well .. so call it my trial and error :)	18:31
GNU\colossus	I'm not running ubuntu myself, but I guess it's "sun-java6-plugin" what you're looking for	18:31
GNU\colossus	(for the _official_ Sun/Oracle Java Plugin)	18:32
fer_luck	hey guys!	18:32
fer_luck	good afternoon :)	18:32
adc_	hey	18:32
naftilos76	has anybody installed / upgraded from 9.04 to 10.04 ? How does it look?	18:32
adc_	yep	18:32
Guest55142	ive searched for that and all similar variants earlier and still find nothing, note im on kubuntu 10.04	18:32
adc_	i did	18:32
oxymoron	GNU\colossus: Seriously I got really pissed off soon, I have did like everything it feels like.	18:32
adc_	but i want an answer to my question before :D	18:32
fer_luck	I'm trying to set my kubuntu font configuration to 72 dpi, but there's only 96 and 128 available by default. is there a way to do that?	18:32
adc_	everyone's muted lol ? the fear of the chat :D	18:35
genii	adc_: It's often quiet in here for long periods.	18:36
Guest55142	is anyone else having problems with java in 10.04?	18:36
adc_	yeah i know lol	18:36
adc_	i don't	18:36
oxymoron	""/usr/bin/dolphin(11568)" Error in thread 139996565296912 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"" - Eh? :S	18:39
zatanicodoc	adc_ maybe is the hardware	18:42
ForgeAus	was KDE3.5.x better on Gutsy, Hardy or Intrepid?	18:43
genii	ForgeAus: Hardy	18:44
ForgeAus	thx	18:45
Schmidt__	kde 3 rulz	18:47
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dcorbin_wrk	I'm running kbuntu 9.x. When I go to upgrade to 10.x the release notes, etc. speak of unbutu, not kubuntu. Is this a concern? It won't leave me with a Gnome desktop will it?	18:50
ForgeAus	no dcorbin	18:51
ForgeAus	ubuntu is kubuntu essentially	18:51
ForgeAus	(in this respect anyway)	18:51
genii	dcorbin_wrk: An upgrade won't install any new Desktop Environment you didn't have before	18:51
ForgeAus	when you upgrade it will upgrade kubuntu-desktop (metapackage)	18:52
dcorbin_wrk	great. Thanks.	18:52
dcorbin_wrk	Seems like very few files... (only 40)	18:54
KenBW2	is it possible to have Wallet take the password from when I log in?	18:55
ForgeAus	hardy kde3 remix is harder to find than I thought!	19:04
genii	ForgeAus: Hardy came with both KDE3 and KDE4	19:06
genii	eg: There was no remix	19:07
ForgeAus	uh?...	19:07
ForgeAus	it only came with one that I know of... prolly the release where they replaced KDE3 with KDE4...	19:07
ForgeAus	(original may have been kde3 maybe kde4 is the remix?)	19:07
genii	ForgeAus: Yes it was during the transition period, 8.04 came originally with kde3	19:08
ForgeAus	I think its more likely the opposite way around	19:08
ForgeAus	kde4 was the normal kde3 was remix	19:08
genii	Nope	19:08
ForgeAus	genii? hmmm..	19:08
ForgeAus	your telling me if I get the basic hardy desktop.iso it has kde3?	19:09
ForgeAus	Kubuntu has come with two different releases, one is the stable KDE 3.5.9 and the other one is a Remix Featuring the latest release of KDE 4.0.	19:10
ForgeAus	3.5.9? wait there was kde3 after 3.5.9 why hardy then?	19:11
ForgeAus	wouldn't 3.5.10 (is there a later 3.5.x?) be better?	19:11
ForgeAus	Genii looks like kde4 was the remix... thats good news.. .	19:12
madura	the new release has a bug in the installer pressing whats this makes the installer crash	19:13
genii	ForgeAus: The kde3 version which shipped with Hardy was something like 3.5.8 which you could get up to 3.5.10 by normal updates. then if you wanted kde4 the package names all had "4" somewhere in them	19:13
ForgeAus	yeah like kmail-kde4	19:13
ForgeAus	and kpackage-kde4, etc...	19:13
genii	ForgeAus: Yes, exactly	19:13
ForgeAus	if you got the one without *-kde4 you had kde3 package...	19:14
madura	BTW is there any plugin for kopete for IRC?	19:14
ForgeAus	madura: not that I'm aware of	19:14
genii	madura: Did you file a bug on Launchpad for that installer bug?	19:14
madura	genii: not yet and i didnt recheck it	19:15
thegeek0100	I don't see IRC as an option in kopete am I missing something?	19:15
ForgeAus	hmmm 695mb...	19:15
ForgeAus	thegeek0100: I don't think kopete has IRC	19:16
ForgeAus	konversation or quassel has IRC	19:16
madura	thegeek0100: yes :P but u can use konversation	19:16
ForgeAus	(there is also java applets on the web, and other ways... like kvirc for example )	19:16
thegeek0100	that's weird as kopete calls out irc in its description in kpackagekit	19:17
ForgeAus	meebo I think its called is a multi-im page, can't remember if IRC is there or not tho...	19:17
ForgeAus	thats all assuming you want some kinda gui... you can always get irssi for a console-based IRC	19:17
madura	thegeek0100: it had but the maintainer for thee irc plugin has not upgraded it to kde4	19:18
genii	<-- quassel	19:18
thegeek0100	If id didn't gui I wouldn't be in this room.	19:18
thegeek0100	madura thanks	19:18
madura	thegeek0100: :)	19:18
ForgeAus	still havn't got to try out the kde4 vers of konversation yet...	19:18
ForgeAus	Quassel was interesting but far to X-chat-like for me	19:19
madura	ForgeAus: well im on it right now but konversation is much simpler looking	19:20
ForgeAus	yeah well the kde3 one was simple too	19:20
madura	how can i install mp3 codecs for xine ? amarok keeps sayin phonon cant play mp3s	19:21
Schmidt__	i think ununtu with gnome is way better )	19:22
ForgeAus	sorry Schmidt, Gnome makes me feel queasy...	19:23
Schmidt__	queasy - how is it?	19:23
ForgeAus	I don't mind fluxbox or e17 ...	19:23
ForgeAus	Schmidt ... pretty much same as nauseus	19:23
Schmidt__	i think kde is too laggy and big )	19:24
Schmidt__	ope	19:24
ForgeAus	first of all theres the default chocolate browns and oranges... although themes can always be modded...	19:25
madura	brb	19:25
howlymowly	hi poeple... short question: is there an easy way to get ubuntu one running on kubuntu lucid 10.04 ?	19:25
ForgeAus	but then theres nautilus (for that matter even Thunar) and their traversal bar ... (note:Dolphin extended on that to be much like Windows Vista/7's breadcrumbs bar)	19:26
Schmidt__	ubuntu one have web interface, so you can use it	19:26
ForgeAus	ubuntu one?	19:27
howlymowly	Schmidt__: that's right.. but I am rather atlking about easy synchronisation etc.... and not starting firefox to gett access to ubuntu ne every time I want to use it...	19:27
madura	omg boot time : 5 secs! :S	19:29
ForgeAus	thats awesome :)	19:29
madura	yeap	19:29
ForgeAus	hmm look slike Gnome-ubuntu has gone purple background looks very OSX-like	19:30
madura	i cam from gnome :P	19:30
James147	madura: lucky :) my desktop taks aobut 20 secs from button push till the bios window disapears :D	19:30
mvk	i was playing with google-earth a min ago, on kubu 64bit with radeon kernel driver, but it crashed - HARD, locked up, then rebooted	19:31
madura	James147: you might have POST on or something	19:31
mvk	what log in /var/log can i check to try, and traceback the problem?	19:31
ForgeAus	uh as for integration with ubuntu1 howlymowwly, there is probably some but not as much as ubuntu (the default gnome one)	19:31
madura	James147: there are ways in new motherboards to skip some tests	19:31
James147	madura: its a fairly old comp now	19:31
James147	madura: and i think it is set to skip most test, but i probally should check	19:32
madura	James147: anyways any oldie would do ok with a linux distro :)	19:32
howlymowly	ForgeAus: any hint on where to look for it :)?	19:32
ForgeAus	is there a way to skip age-based fscking for kubuntu?	19:32
mvk	anyone?	19:32
James147	madura: its not old enough to not run win7 :) but i prefure kubuntu	19:33
madura	James147: win7 is crap :P	19:33
James147	ForgeAus: I think you ahve to set someoptions on the paritions	19:33
ForgeAus	howlymowly https://one.ubuntu.com/features/ shows stuff thats integrated, you'd have to test out stuff like kubuntu equivs like kde-pim's mail/organizer instead of evolution ... for example	19:33
madura	well comparing to other MS OSes its better but still...	19:34
James147	madura: yeah, but i only have it for running games (and its a striped down version without all the blaot)	19:34
madura	James147: thats good, why dont u try urbanterror?	19:34
ForgeAus	uh howlymowly I'd be looking for a "contact us" link lol	19:34
cuznt	when one update via terminal is there a port to open to make it go faster?	19:34
ForgeAus	wait UbuntuOne has a client app...	19:35
James147	madura: not to into that type of fps :S to be honest i dont game on it much anymore so it mostly just sits there	19:35
madura	James147: :P then what would u prefer?	19:36
James147	cuznt: dont think opening a port would make it go faster.... keep in mind that the server are probally overloaded atm with everyone else trying to upgrade. If you can i suggest changing mirror	19:37
James147	madura: not really the place to discuss that :)	19:37
madura	eh	19:37
cuznt	ty	19:37
ForgeAus	howlymowly: there's a #ubuntuone channel	19:37
cuznt	i figured as such i was almost done after 8 hours of update and i lost power	19:38
* cuznt goes back to the apt-get drawing board		19:38
howlymowly	kewl!! ForgeAus great tip :) thx	19:38
Scunizi	What's a good client to use for VPN I tried KvpnC but it has unmet dependencies which I've installed but aren't recognized.	19:38
madura	James147: im busy downloading plasma themes :D	19:38
James147	cuznt: the packagemanagment system will fist dl all the packages then instal so if it gets intrupted during the dl it can continus where it left off without redownloading much (but 8 hours, that seems alot)	19:39
ForgeAus	howlymowly: I aren't looking to use it but it'll be interesting, the biggest problem is likely to be the dependancies of ubuntuone...	19:39
James147	Scunizi: got vpn over pptp to work with knetworkamanger today :p	19:40
ForgeAus	probably downloads lots of gnome bits for it to work	19:40
cuznt	i thought as much but it is just as slow with the manager. i figured with no front end it might complete faster	19:40
Scunizi	James147: yea.. I've got pptp installed and pppd but I switched out knetworkmanager for WiCD because WiCD allowed me to set a static IP on my machine where knetworkmanager wouldn't	19:40
James147	cuznt: the download speed wont change much via command line or gui front end... command line is just faster from start to finish :)	19:41
howlymowly	ForgeAus: the great thing about Ubuntuone in my opinion is, that it hold sthe promise of free contacts/notes/mail sync across many desktops including mobile phone (I have an android device for example) without compromising "data monster" effects like with google, facebook apple etc...	19:41
James147	Scunizi: dont know how to vpn with wicd then :S havent really used it much	19:42
rogersman1	hey all, how can make a bootable usb install from iso if I'm currently running another flavour of linux?	19:42
rogersman1	usb-creator only for kubuntu	19:42
James147	rogersman1: unetbootin	19:43
GNU\colossus	is there no java-plugin package on lucid any more?	19:43
James147	!unetbootin \| rogersman1	19:43
ubottu	rogersman1: For information about installing Ubuntu from USB flash drives, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick - For a persistent live USB install, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent	19:43
James147	!info unetbootin \| rogersman1	19:43
ubottu	rogersman1: unetbootin (source: unetbootin): installer of Linux/BSD distributions to a partition or USB drive. In component universe, is optional. Version 377-1 (lucid), package size 225 kB, installed size 664 kB	19:43
rogersman1	nice, okay thanx guys!	19:44
madura	hey anyone here use compiz with kde window decorator?	19:45
ForgeAus	madura, why?	19:46
ForgeAus	emerald isn't it?	19:46
ForgeAus	I've used it before	19:46
sandipnair	hi everybody	19:46
ForgeAus	(or aquamarine perhaps)	19:46
madura	ForgeAus: does compiz 0.8.4 work well with the kde decorator?	19:47
cuznt	crap my update is locked is there a command to fix that please?	19:47
* cuznt is having issue day		19:47
ForgeAus	uh, not sure I can answer that question specifically...	19:47
ForgeAus	I don't see why it wouldn't	19:47
ForgeAus	which kde are you using?	19:47
sandipnair	can anybody help me with WengoPhone installation?	19:47
rogersman1	madura: I know what you mean and compiz is working on this issue...but not yet :-(	19:47
ForgeAus	because kde3 reqs a plugin for the panel and compiz really isn't necessary on kde4	19:47
madura	ForgeAus: KDE 4.4	19:48
rogersman1	0.9 will support	19:48
James147	cuznt: close any packagemanagment system you ahve open (apt-get aptitude kpackagemanager)	19:48
madura	rogersman1: thanks, when will 0.9 come?	19:48
ForgeAus	you use (wm) -replace which reduces the functinality of the KDesktop because it replaces kwin	19:48
madura	kwin is ok but i prefer compiz	19:49
rogersman1	madura: hehe they hate that question! ... tho to be honest kde native effects are pretty good...sure you need compiz?	19:49
cuznt	i am trying to I get the error it can not get an exclusive lock. there is a command for that.	19:49
ForgeAus	not taht I don't like compiz but it sits ok wtih kde3 or gnome or some other window manger... but KDE4 has its own desktop effects, etc...	19:50
James147	cuznt: if you are sure no other packagmanament programs are running you can delte the lock file	19:50
James147	cuznt: (cant remember where it is, one sec)	19:50
madura	rogersman1: 1. i miss compiz :P 2. kwin doesnt have that reflex thing that we can attach a image and give the reflection from that..etc	19:51
rogersman1	madura: yeah, i spent ages trying this whole emerald, aurora, etc trying to get kde and compiz to work harmoniously with no joy...either wait for 0.9 or stick with kwin IMHO	19:52
rogersman1	0.9 is a complete reworking of compiz-fusion from the ground up...so might be a long while until stable	19:53
madura	rogersman1: yeap me too :P i even tried compiling 0.8.6 it loads up kde deco but theres a fat border :S	19:53
madura	on the mean time i want that reflex plugin for kwin lol	19:54
James147	cuznt: what was the full error message?	19:54
cuznt	Unable to get exclusive lock	19:55
cuznt	This usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) is already running. Please close that application first.	19:55
rogersman1	madura: put in a feature request for kwin group if u like!	19:55
cuznt	i got it thanks james147	19:56
James147	cuznt: :)	19:56
madura	yeap i should put one on	19:56
ForgeAus	I've been thinking of a few feature requests, like mostly for transparent window decorators, stuff like animation and/or filter-based stuff say colour-cycling ...	19:57
ForgeAus	(or magnify)	19:58
rogersman1	madura: compiz projects looks pretty dead actually...web page hasn't been updated since Feb 2009! :-(	19:58
madura	rogersman1: yea free project suffer that kinda non working periods	19:59
madura	i think someone will make a patch or something in the future	19:59
ForgeAus	lol I was checking out XFCE, compiz on that is a strange concept!	20:00
madura	lol	20:00
madura	low end desktop high end bling!	20:00
ForgeAus	apparently XFCE has its own compositing anyway	20:01
madura	i havent used it often	20:01
ForgeAus	madura I could go lower... like say fluxbox + compiz?	20:01
madura	ForgeAus: :P just get the new KDE	20:02
moetunes	ForgeAus: flux and compiz are both wms - so you can't run both	20:02
ForgeAus	doesn't look like Canonical are going to take in the Fluxbuntu team as official anytime soon... oddly enough	20:02
ForgeAus	they seem to be looking to a LXDE (Lubuntu) and possibly an Enlightenment (e17) ubuntu (something like elbuntu)	20:02
ForgeAus	good point moetunes I should have known better :)	20:03
howlymowly	hi everyone.. does anyone here know of a nice file sync service for linux and android?	20:03
* James147 hopes he fixed grub		20:07
* James147 is glad he can finally boot into lucid on his desktop :D		20:08
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zus	isnt KGpg installed by default in 10.4? if s where is it?	20:11
James147	zus: not seeing it here :s	20:12
zus	guess i got to install it then.	20:12
ADC	hey	20:12
ADC	does anyone have a problem by booting with the 2.6.32-21kernel	20:13
zus	James147, well it says i have it installed, i see an x but a lot of options for pgp	20:13
ADC	because by talking with other people, it seams that the 32 instead of 21 (by auto update of kubuntu) doesn't show anymore the booting sequence	20:13
ADC	everything's hided and i'm getting crazy to find a way to fix that ^^	20:14
rogersman1	madura: you still around?	20:15
madura	rogersman1: yes	20:15
madura	rogersman1: got any updates?	20:15
rogersman1	just finishing chatting to sum developers over at #compiz who say the recent version of compiz has been fixed for KDE4 windows decorations!	20:15
madura	rogersman1: yay	20:15
James147	zus: try running "sudo aptitude isntall kgpg"	20:16
madura	rogersman1: so they are talking about 0.8.6	20:16
madura	repos only have 0.8.4	20:16
rogersman1	standby	20:16
zus	James147, that would also take care of pgp as well then ?	20:18
rogersman1	madura: http://releases.compiz.org/	20:18
madura	rogersman1: thanks!	20:19
James147	zus: not sure	20:19
madura	rogersman1: u use bespin?	20:20
rogersman1	madura: bespin?	20:21
madura	http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net	20:21
madura	rogersman1: ^^ there its a window style for KDE	20:21
madura	has all those transculent effects and all	20:22
James147	:) just started to install bespin	20:22
rogersman1	madura: new to me...I'll have a lookee	20:22
James147	rogersman1: it is in the repos (kde-style-bespin and kwin-style-bespin)	20:23
madura	rogersman1: yea thats old	20:23
madura	:P	20:23
rogersman1	actually, I'm not using kubuntu ... just came on the channel to ask about live USB install :-[	20:24
rogersman1	the compiz things piqued my curiosity	20:24
madura	rogersman1: ah :D	20:25
rogersman1	today's new release caught my eye, so I thought I'de give it a look	20:26
rogersman1	along with a lot of other people probably :-)	20:26
rogersman1	holy crap , there's a lot of things called bespin!	20:27
K350	Where is the "Shutdown button " in Lucid Lynx (KDE) Can't see it in the kmenu	20:27
daicon	hello	20:27
James147	K350: KMenu > leave tab > shutdown	20:28
daicon	someone can help me?	20:28
James147	K350: or Alt+F2 > Type: shutdown	20:28
James147	!help \| daicon	20:28
ubottu	daicon: Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-)	20:28
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K350	James147: Well,k it's not there...uh?	20:29
daicon	I finished installing Kubuntu. But when I wanted to upgrade through the implementation KPackageit, downloads are very slow, mucho.No have any problem with another distribution. Can you help?	20:29
James147	K350: you loged in through kdm right?	20:29
K350	James147: yess..well started x form the terminal	20:30
punto	hi.. which process handles alt+tab? it stopped working	20:30
James147	K350: if you are running it from terminal then the shutdown buttons arent availble	20:30
madura	rogersman1: i just installed kubuntu 10.04 :D	20:31
K350	James147: ah, well I'll try to restart from termnal and see if it's there ...thanks a lot:-)	20:31
James147	K350: think its because you need to be root to shutdown (and your running it from user) where if you run from kdm, kdm can shutdown for you (as it is running as root)	20:31
James147	:(	20:31
James147	daicon: a new release cam out yesterday so the servers are very bussy atm and probally will be over the next few days	20:32
James147	daicon: you can try to use a different mirror to see if the speeds are any better	20:32
James147	punto: I think kwin handels alt+tab	20:32
punto	James147: can I kill it without bringing down the whole session, like plasma-desktop?	20:34
rogersman1	madura: compiling new compiz version now...	20:35
daicon	James147 :As I can configure the repository to connect to another server?	20:35
madura	rogersman1: you have KDE to test that with?	20:35
James147	punto: you can kill it, but you wont easaly beable to do much without it you can try "killall kwin; sleep 1; kwin" from the runner to kill it and restart it	20:35
rogersman1	madura: yeah..4.4.2	20:35
James147	punto: i would make sure you have konsole running and inview firs tthough	20:36
madura	ow rytt :P	20:36
James147	punto: dont think you can bring krunner up again once its down :S	20:36
punto	James147: actually I brought it back from the text-mode console, but it still doesn't respond to alt+tab	20:37
ulysses	Hello, how can I change the default IM client from Kopete to KMess in Systemsettings?	20:39
daicon	James147: As I can configure the repository to connect to another server?	20:39
James147	punto: System settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Global keyboard settings > "Kde compoent >> Kwin" > Search: "Walk through windows"	20:39
James147	punto: see if the shorcut key got reassigned by soemthing ^^	20:40
madura	rogersman1: brb :) restarting	20:40
James147	daicon: Kpacakgekit > Settings tab > Edit software sources > Download from:	20:41
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vadi01	guys any idea if nvidea driver is working ok in kubuntu?	20:42
James147	ulysses: System settings > Deafult Applications :)	20:43
ulysses	James147: there isn't an option to choose KMess	20:44
James147	vadi01: it was in karmic for me, haven enabled them yet on lucid but the opensource ones seems to be working fine (even have dual screen support now :D )	20:44
James147	ulysses: not sure then sorry	20:45
ulysses	James147: I could choose an application, but only Kopete is in the list:(	20:45
exalt	wich programming ide is best in kubuntu to code c++?	20:46
James147	ulysses: dont use kmess so i dont know how to get it in the list :S	20:46
James147	!best \| exalt	20:46
ubottu	exalt: Usually, there is no single "best" application to perform a given task. It's up to you to choose, depending on your preferences, features you require, and other factors. Do NOT take polls in the channel. If you insist on getting people's opinions, ask BestBot in #ubuntu-bots.	20:46
ulysses	James147: I'm also not, but someone asked me how can he does this thing	20:46
James147	exalt: but i tend to like qt creator or kdevleop	20:47
James147	exalt: or kate :)	20:47
James147	!ide \| exalt	20:47
ubottu	exalt: Programming editors/suites: Terminal-based: vi/vim, emacs - KDE: Kate, KDevelop, Quanta+, Umbrello - GNOME: gvim, gedit, anjuta, pida, monodevelop, geany - Others: eclipse, netbeans, qtcreator	20:47
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exalt	James147: i apriciate your reaction but please man... i dont know any ide so i cant do anything with your comment, ahh the thats some comment i can start with thanx	20:47
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madura	rogersman1: whats the latest?	20:48
exalt	are the c++ plugins for netbeans available in netbeans?	20:49
rogersman1	madura: currently in dependancy hell...I hate building from source	20:49
user__	opera.com	20:53
madura	rogersman1: im having other troubles :S cant install ATI binary drivers	20:53
madura	can install but the compositing isnt working	20:53
manuel_	hi, my hoster recently moved, and now my 8.04 installation does not have any /dev/pty* devices anymore. how can i recreate them?	20:55
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manuel_	screens fails to start and ends with:"Sorry could not find a pty"	20:56
rogersman1	madura: looks like this isn't going to be a smooth ride	20:58
madura	yea	20:59
swien	hi	20:59
madura	rogersman1: are u using the cmake tar files?	20:59
swien	Should kwin compisiting work with nouveau driver?	21:00
rogersman1	actually the pre-built packages are up in my current so I'm gonna upgrade my system	21:00
rogersman1	madura: but yes, thats where i started before	21:00
rogersman1	madura: should work fine if you had previous version running	21:00
rogersman1	if in doubt, head to #compiz ..they're pretty helpful :-D	21:01
madura	rogersman1: well now things are kinda worse :P i have to find a fix for ATI binary driver on ubuntu first	21:01
madura	rogersman1: k thanks	21:01
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doleyb	Hello, does the kubuntu lucid crash less than karmic? (karm crashes plasma-desktop about every 15 minutes for me)	21:02
James147	doleyb: its a newer version so 'should' be more stable (ie crash less) but sometimes something can break and it get worst (although not as often)	21:03
James147	doleyb: I havent noticed many problem with instability in it yet, but it hasnt been out for very long :)	21:04
amichair	if I use nvidia drivers from their website on karmic, will I have problems in upgrade to lucid? release notes mention something vague about this, but not details	21:06
* rogersman1 away to the gym ... bbl		21:06
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Sebas_	Installed 10.04 on eeepc 1000H but Wifi won't work... anyone ideas??	21:07
Sebas_	won't accept password..	21:07
Sebas_	such a downer	21:08
ryann	what kind of security is the access point using?	21:08
ryann	and what network manager are you using?	21:08
Sebas_	wpa	21:08
Sebas_	wpa2	21:08
Sebas_	default?	21:08
ryann	it worked previously?	21:08
Sebas_	yeah with 9.10	21:09
ryann	i've had my own problems using knetworkmanager, so i run wicd instead	21:09
Sebas_	wicd?	21:09
ryann	may be worth a shot for you as well, at least for troubleshooting	21:09
ryann	yea	21:09
ryann	are you able to get that machine online via ethernet?	21:09
Sebas_	yes	21:09
ryann	sudo apt-get install wicd	21:09
Sebas_	thanx will do now'	21:10
ryann	the install will remove the knetworkmanager and plasmoid	21:10
ryann	reboot, and the wicd client will run	21:10
ryann	service is /etc/init.d/wicd	21:10
boby	help?	21:10
boby	kubuntu freezes at boot	21:11
ryann	boby: you have any other information than that?	21:11
Sebas_	ryann: thanx i will reboot now :)	21:11
boby	no it is stack	21:11
boby	I red on net that the problem is some plymouth	21:12
ryann	stack?	21:12
boby	whatever it is	21:12
swien	@body does it stuck everytime you boot or just now?	21:12
ryann	you're not giving me anything close to enough information to help you with that	21:12
boby	stuck*	21:12
boby	ok...	21:12
n8w_	hey	21:13
boby	after install it freezes sometimes and sometimes offers me login	21:13
boby	and I choose during install to log in automaticaly	21:13
boby	in console I do : killall /etc/init.d/kdm	21:13
boby	and then startx	21:13
doleyb	amichair: I bet you would have problems at first, so its good to switch back to default nv drivers before the lucid upgrade. Then you can install nvidia again.	21:13
boby	and tan it boots	21:14
boby	than*	21:14
boby	I have ati card	21:14
n8w_	do u guys think that my db2 local server installation will b affected by an upgrade to 10.4 from 9.10?	21:14
amichair	doleyb: so run the nvidia --uninstall (or something like that), reboot, upgrade, then run nvidia installer again? any idea what they meant by having problems using the upstream nvidia drivers in lucid?	21:15
swien	@boby could you upload you Xorg.0.log from /var/log when kdm does not start?	21:15
boby	then I need to go	21:15
boby	will you be here	21:15
swien	@body if it does't take too long ;-)	21:16
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boby	ok back in minute	21:16
zus	how do one get ppa's from the programs installed through the cli and kpackagekit?	21:17
zus	i dotn have to visist every programs site and get them do i?	21:17
jaime_	hi	21:18
swien	Is anybody using nouveau with kwin here?	21:18
jaime_	can help me?	21:19
zus	jaime just ask the question some one might be able too	21:19
Sebas_	ryann: did the reboot wifi still not working.. wicd says bad password.. the same as knetworkmanager.. every time i install a new Kubuntu I have the same probs... :(	21:19
Sebas_	I really need this to work because tomorrow I will travel the world... so I need my netbook	21:19
boby	xorg.o.log is huge to paste it here	21:19
swien	@boby use pastebin or something like that	21:20
genii	!pastebin	21:20
ubottu	For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com \| To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin \| !pastebinit to paste directly from command line \| Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.	21:20
zus	damn youse type fast hahaha	21:20
Sebas_	ryann: windows netbook does connect instantly	21:20
jaime_	when im trying to update to the new version of kubuntu, i have a 127 code	21:21
zus	now about them ppa's i went and used the command line for getting kdenLive and stuff, but the ppa is still for karmic. am i going to have to get all the ppa's from each program i need it for ?	21:21
boby	how to use this pastebin?	21:22
swien	@boby you can just upload the file there and will get a short url	21:23
pidus	Does anybody know the keyboard shortcut to maximize a window (at least the terminal window) in kubuntu 9.10?	21:23
boby	nothing happends	21:25
boby	ok can I paste here part of xorg	21:25
boby	tell what to looking for	21:25
swien	Is there a line starting with EE?	21:26
zus	boby on the bottom there should be a button to submit	21:26
jaime_	im trying to update my kubuntu to lucide 10.04, but i cant because i have the 127 code	21:26
boby	yes when I pressed it askes me to do I want to transfer file and I say yes	21:27
boby	what ten	21:27
boby	then*	21:27
Neremor	hello!	21:27
zus	boby after you submit it then copy the url for the page	21:28
boby	I press submit, then I press ok when it askes me to transfer file, and then nothing happends	21:30
Neremor	I've installed kubuntu 10.04. When booting up, I got a black-screen, but i got rid of this through replacing "quit splash" in the boot entry with "nomodeset". Now I was able to boot, but I'm directly droped into tty1, X is not starting. There I don't have Internet also (simple ethernet-connection, should work automatically). VIa the netroot-shell in recovery mode i installed the nvidia-driver for my card. Now I'm able to start the X-Server via	21:31
boby	what to use for image?	21:31
boby	OK here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425470/	21:34
boby	I also instaled restricted driver	21:35
swien	@body this is the log when you don't get a desktop?	21:36
pidus	Sigh! how much longer will I need to envy my Fedora using neighbor who is able to expand his terminal using kyboards while I look around for the mouse :-(	21:37
boby	?	21:38
boby	ok what now?	21:39
exalt	kubuntu restricted extras wont install	21:39
exalt	is this commonly?	21:40
swien	@body the log does not show any error so X should be running. I'm not sure what could be wrong if X is running and kdm does not... How did you get this file?	21:40
boby	swien?	21:40
exalt	hund	21:41
boby	what do you mean?	21:41
pidus	Got it! it finally works.	21:41
swien	@body You started the computer. Then it either stuck or showed a desktop. Did you manually start X after it stuck?	21:42
swien	@boby before you grabbed the file?	21:43
boby	ok after boot (every time now happends) it offers me login	21:43
boby	after i type my user and pass	21:43
boby	it pffers me again login	21:43
James147	pidus: You can assign a shotcut key to windows so that they gain focuse and move to th frount when its pressed	21:43
boby	then I do console login	21:43
boby	and login succesefully	21:44
boby	do: killall kdm	21:44
boby	and then startx	21:44
James147	pidus: System settings > Window behaviour > Window spific	21:44
Henson_D	could someone help me with a dolphin problem I've been encountering for some time? I'm not sure if it's a bug or just a misconfiguration. In Dolphin's column view, you used to be able to navigate by typing in the first few characters of a directory and hitting enter to open it in the next column over. This used to work in 4.1, now with 4.2 it will work only for descending one directory level...	21:44
boby	that's it	21:44
Henson_D	then further enter presses have no effect.	21:44
swien	@boby what happens if you do restart kdm? Are you able to login then?	21:44
boby	didn't try	21:45
Henson_D	oops, sorry I meant it used to work in 4.0 through 4.3, but now in 4.4 it doesn't work.	21:45
boby	should I do now?	21:45
swien	just run sud restart kdm	21:45
swien	sudo	21:45
boby	ok	21:45
pidus	James147: I was looking for a shortcut to maximize/minimize a windows. Could configure it at System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse ->Global Keyboard Shortcuts->kwin->maximize window.	21:45
boby	be back in a minute	21:45
pidus	James147: though, what you suggest will also help :-) thanks for that.	21:46
James147	Henson_D: looks like a bug, getting the same behaviour here but noticed that if you move the mouse then press enter it works	21:46
Henson_D	James147: thanks for the confirmation. I get the same behaviour here. I can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet, it's been around for a long time and has persisted through many 4.4 updates.	21:48
boby	i'm back	21:49
Henson_D	James147: and I imagine it would drive anyone who uses column view mad :-)	21:49
James147	Henson_D: one quick question, what mouse focus policy do you use?	21:49
Henson_D	James147: ahh, very good question. I use focus strictly under mouse.	21:49
swien	@boby wb	21:49
boby	after sudo restart kdm offers me again login screen and when I enter my pass it offers login again	21:49
boby	I kill kdm	21:50
boby	and startx	21:50
boby	and here I am	21:50
swien	@boby do you have any non standard pam-settings?	21:50
boby	what is that?\	21:50
James147	Henson_D: have focus follows mouse :) try changing it to the default one and try it	21:51
swien	@boby is the tool ubuntu uses to manage you logins. If you don't know what it is you probably did not break it	21:51
James147	Henson_D: nop, same behaviour with click to focus	21:53
boby	one more thing: when system is starting my kubuntu screen is in low resolution	21:53
boby	those blue screen with kubuntu sign	21:53
boby	image is corrupted	21:53
Henson_D	James147: yeah, I'm getting the same behaviour with all of the others. Click to focus and Focus Follows Mouse seem worse in that you had to put the mouse pointer into the new column, instead of simply moving the mouse.	21:53
James147	Henson_D: Think you should submit a bug report :)	21:54
Henson_D	James147: will do :-) Thanks for your assistance.	21:54
boby	it is shown in very low number of colors	21:55
boby	what now?	21:57
swien	@boby I've got no idea what could be wrong	21:59
g0th	hi	22:01
robinking623	anyone here who has the problem with Fn key to change the backlight under kde 4.4?	22:02
boby	ok conclusion: when booting I can't boot when it offers me login screen, then I need to do console login and from there kill ldm and startx. It is clean instalation of 64 bit kubuntu. And my system has ati video card	22:02
g0th	how do I create a custom application launcher on the kde panel?	22:02
boby	if this helps	22:02
jschall	i'm getting audio from amarok and kopete, but not from wow in wine or flash.	22:04
g0th	I just want to add another application to the panel, how do I do that?	22:05
g0th	It is not in the "official" list	22:05
robinking623	g0th: miniprogram unlock	22:05
g0th	hmm?	22:05
robinking623	g0th: then add miniprogram	22:05
Henson_D	jschall: what sound output method is wine or flash using? Amarok and Kopete are probably using ALSA, but if Wine and Flash are using OSS then the audio device will be blocked by ALSA.	22:06
jschall	wine is using alsa and flash would be using alsa.	22:06
Henson_D	jschall: or perhaps your KDE audio system is using PulseAudio, in which case the same thing will happen.	22:06
jschall	no pulse.	22:07
Henson_D	jschall: hmmm, I don't have any more ideas, unfortunately.	22:07
g0th	robinking623: there is no package named miniprogram?	22:07
swien	@boby sry. I've got no idea what is wrong.	22:07
swien	bye	22:08
jschall	amarok and kopete have been running a while so i'm thinking it might be something stopping new programs from getting sound?	22:08
boby	ok thx anyway and sorry for my english	22:08
boby	bye	22:08
James147	g0th: Right click kmenu > edit menu (or run kmenuedit) and you can create a launcher for the menu... after that you cna drag it from kmenu to the panel	22:08
howard	hi	22:09
Henson_D	jschall: is it only wine and flash that is affected? Are you able to start another program that outputs sound?	22:09
g0th	ah so I first have to modify the menu before adding anything to the panel?	22:09
James147	g0th: its the easiest way i think	22:09
jschall	Henson_D: i can't think of another program	22:09
James147	g0th: althernitivly the widget "quick launcher" might be able to do it	22:10
g0th	thanks	22:10
jschall	dragon player works	22:10
Henson_D	mplayer, or aplay, or audacity?	22:10
g0th	hmm I didnt find quick laucher?	22:10
jschall	dolphin works	22:10
Henson_D	jschall: mplayer, or aplay, or audacity?	22:10
jschall	Henson_D: i can get audio apparently	22:11
James147	g0th: umm, quicklauncher seems to need a menu entry as well	22:11
jschall	Henson_D: just not in flash	22:11
jschall	Henson_D: or wow	22:11
James147	g0th: right click panel > panel settings > add widget > Type: quick	22:12
James147	jschall: not sure about wine but you could try purging flash and installing it from adobes site	22:13
Henson_D	jschall: open up a terminal and type lsof -n \| grep "/dev/snd/pcm" and see what shows up.	22:14
jschall	dolphin	22:15
jschall	closed dolphin and nothing	22:15
g0th	there is just quick access and quick launch	22:15
g0th	hmm and I don't find the menu anywhere	22:15
Henson_D	jschall: it reports that dolphin is using your sound device?	22:15
g0th	I mean I added my program to the menu but I dont find this menu anywhere	22:15
jschall	Henson_D: dolphin 24877 jschall 25u CHR 116,7 0t0 4028 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p	22:16
jschall	Henson_D: then i closed dolphin and it went away but wow still doesn't work	22:16
James147	g0th: to edit the menu run "kmenuedit" or right click kmenu and click edit menu	22:16
jschall	Henson_D: but wow is accessing it if i start it	22:16
Henson_D	well if you've closed dolphin, maybe you have to kill the dolphin process, because it seems as though process 24877 is still using your sound device.	22:17
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g0th	James147: I found this	22:17
g0th	James147: but I didn't find it to choose from in the panel	22:17
Henson_D	jschall: well if you've closed dolphin, maybe you have to kill the dolphin process, because it seems as though process 24877 is still using your sound device.	22:17
jschall	npviewer also accesses it	22:17
g0th	I can just edit it but not actually choose the stuff I edited	22:17
phrozen	hello I have a problem I can make a ping via terminal eq. google.com, but when I am trying to open site at webbrowser then I can not - it is offline ... how can i solve it? I am connecting to internet via router	22:18
James147	g0th: drag it from kmenu to the panel	22:18
g0th	it is not in kmenu?	22:18
jschall	Henson_D: amarok also accesses it and works, but nothing else does.	22:18
James147	g0th: it should be if you added it using kmenuedit	22:18
g0th	hmm but a lot of stuff is not there	22:18
jschall	Henson_D: http://pastebin.com/4g6SH8hi	22:18
g0th	that is in kmenuedit	22:18
g0th	I must be in the wrong menu somehow	22:19
jschall	Henson_D: amarok is working, nothing else is.	22:19
g0th	and everything is extremely slow	22:19
g0th	whenever I update the system configuration it takes several minutes	22:19
g0th	on my core7 computer	22:19
g0th	and it already crashed several times	22:19
Henson_D	jschall: I don't know what to suggest. Perhaps the volume level is down or mute is on. It looks like wow is able to use your sound device, but why sound is not coming out, I am not sure. Has sound worked in the past?	22:19
g0th	not the best experience so far ^^	22:19
James147	g0th: what version are you running?	22:20
jschall	Henson_D: you know, i'm not quite sure. i think it did.	22:20
g0th	lucid	22:20
jschall	Henson_D: it worked in ubuntu with pulse before i swapped to kubuntu	22:20
robinking623	g0th: my kubutu is really really stable	22:20
g0th	hmm now it restarts again from 0%	22:21
jschall	Henson_D: i'm pretty sure flash was working too	22:21
g0th	once it finnished it starts again from 0	22:21
g0th	already the third time now	22:21
James147	g0th: try disabling strigi (system settings > advanced > desktop search)	22:21
cjae	lucid fresh install anyone successfully have a tv set up via svideo without vertical hold loss?	22:21
jschall	Henson_D: i'll restart my computer and see if that fixes it, not that it'll keep it from coming back =/	22:21
Henson_D	jschall: so you just upgraded to kubuntu and now you're experiencing these problems?	22:21
g0th	the system is frozen at the moment	22:21
g0th	i cant do anything	22:21
jschall	Henson_D: yesterday i think i had it working in kubuntu	22:21
g0th	it just says "updating system configuration"	22:21
jschall	Henson_D: i'm restarting computer	22:21
Henson_D	jschall: ok	22:22
g0th	from 0% to 100% then again from 0% etc	22:22
robinking623	James147: i have forgoten to tell. i reinstall the my kubuntu, and the problem with usb is gone	22:22
g0th	I canceled it	22:22
James147	g0th: not sure why ti was doing that :S	22:22
g0th	javaws doesnt seem to be working either	22:23
g0th	what is the best jre?	22:24
g0th	there is gcj-4.4-jre and gcj-jre and openjdk-6-jre and default-jre	22:25
g0th	isn't there a "sun jre"?	22:25
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James147	g0th: they removed (or moved) suns jre from the repos as they thourght openjdk was stable enough	22:27
cjae	anyone know why my bluetooth kb and mouse doesnt work in lucid	22:27
g0th	hmm	22:28
James147	g0th: think it might have gotten moved to teh partener repositories	22:28
g0th	couldn't this cause problems with certain applications?	22:28
g0th	but I also have the partner repo and I dont see it	22:28
Guest60880	is there a repo for kdevelop 3.5.x or is compiling the source the only possibility to get the stable kdevelop working in kubuntu 10.04 :<?	22:30
James147	g0th: yuo, its in the partener repos, jsut enabled them refreshed and its there	22:30
James147	Guest60880: I think kdevelop is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta	22:30
James147	Guest60880: ^^ thats the 3.9.x version sorry :	22:31
g0th	ok thanks	22:32
James147	Guest60880: 3.10.x even :)	22:32
Guest60880	:>	22:32
jschall	Henson_D: still doesn't work.	22:33
Henson_D	Guest60880: just add one of the older repositories, like jaunty, and install the 3.5.x version from there. I've done it and it works.	22:33
cjae	anyone else have blutooth logitech devices working	22:33
Guest60880	hm i think the packetnames are the same - is a downgrade possible?	22:33
Henson_D	jschall: try completely removing pulseaudio from your computer (unless you need to use it). When I first installed kubuntu I had a similar problem. KDE was using pulse, so all of the KDE apps worked, but nothing else would. Once I got rid of pulse KDE started using alsa and things worked again.	22:34
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jschall	Henson_D: pulseaudio is not installed.	22:34
Henson_D	Guest60880: it should be. If you add the other repository, refresh the packages, and take a look in aptitude, then you'll be able to select the older version. Just de-install all of the 3.9.x packages first, then select the 3.5.x package and it will bring in all of the other 3.5.x dependencies.	22:35
jschall	Henson_D: pulseaudio: Installed: (none) Candidate: 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu14	22:35
Teknical	is there any way to install the nvidia driver without making my splash screen go ugly?	22:35
Henson_D	jschall: sorry, I don't know what else to suggest.	22:35
Teknical	should be more specific, is there any way to avoid the ugly splash screen bug with nvidia drivers on 10.04 fresh install	22:36
Henson_D	jschall: what if you exit KDE then start X using a failsafe mode. That way none of the extra KDE things will use your soundcard. Then try starting WOW and see what happens.	22:37
jschall	also my spash screen looks like this: http://challinger.net/photo.jpg	22:37
vadi01	https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290	22:38
vadi01	is it already in updates?	22:38
Henson_D	jschall: haha, so does mine :-(	22:38
jschall	Henson_D: the splash screen has never displayed properly for me.	22:38
jschall	Henson_D: it always screws up in a different way	22:38
Henson_D	jschall: ahh, it used to work properly for me. For some reason the colour depth or map must be wrong.	22:38
jschall	Henson_D: every release of ubuntu/kubuntu has had a messed up splash screen for me and they've all been different	22:39
Henson_D	jschall: hmm, my splash screens have always worked until 10.4	22:39
vadi01	so there seems to be a problem with the splash screen huh	22:39
Teknical	the screen going ugly is caused from the nvidia driver install, at least what i can tell from all the googling ive done	22:40
Teknical	i can confirm on this clean install my splash is still nice looking as on live cd, nvidia driver not installed yet	22:40
James147	Teknical: you mean the nvida logo screen?	22:40
Teknical	no, the kubuntu splash	22:40
vadi01	so has it been fixed when you run the update?	22:40
Teknical	this is a reported bug, google kubuntu 10.04 ugly splash	22:40
Teknical	fully updated last install then did nvidia drivers, then updates again .. still ugly splash	22:41
Henson_D	Teknical: if it's the boot screen, then it shouldn't be using the kernel's VGA driver.	22:41
James147	Teknical: does it happen for all spalsh screen or jsut the default one?	22:41
Teknical	default kubuntu splash, the blue with white dots	22:41
jschall	i don't care about the splash screen, but i want my flash audio to work =/	22:41
James147	Teknical: try other spalsh screen see if they work	22:41
vadi01	darn it means i cant install 10.04 now untill this one is fixed	22:41
Teknical	some fixes include modifying the grub settings, but they still dont look 100% right	22:41
vadi01	i cant believe why the developers missed this major bug	22:42
Teknical	before trying other splashes i was hoping to hear of some resolve before I put the nvidia driver in again	22:43
Henson_D	jschall: try starting X with a light-weight window manager, or the failsafe screen then starting WOW. Maybe KDE is doing something that's causing the sound device not to work.	22:43
jschall	Henson_D: i don't know how to do that.	22:43
vadi01	Teknical: anyway when you updated maybe the update mirror did not receive the update yet	22:44
Henson_D	jschall: at the login screen, there should be a menu that allows you to select a different type of login. One of the options should be "failsafe", which will give you only an xterm. Just remember to switch it back to KDE when you're done, otherwise you'll get the failsafe login next time you try to log in.	22:44
Teknical	i tested my last install not more than an hour ago, to no avail with no updates	22:45
vadi01	try updating from from a server in the us	22:45
Teknical	it would be logical to assume that an hour later the problem still exists	22:45
jschall	Henson_D: brb	22:45
vadi01	Teknical: well means its not reached your server repo yet	22:45
jschall	Henson_D: failsafe fails.	22:46
jschall	Henson_D: very safely.	22:46
jschall	Henson_D: it flashes white and goes right back to the login	22:46
Teknical	was on a us server, trying main server	22:47
vadi01	Teknical: sorry its been commited but not released	22:47
faissal	hi there, just installed kubuntu 10.04, i wanna get rid of the kde cashew, anyone knows how to do it ??? please ?	22:47
Teknical	fix pending?	22:47
vadi01	Teknical: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/lucid-updates	22:48
vadi01	says Fix Committed	22:48
James147	faissal: I think there is an application of kde-apps.org that can do that	22:48
faissal	yjx mate	22:48
faissal	thx	22:48
vadi01	Teknical: should be in the updates-testing repos then	22:48
Henson_D	jschall: maybe try installing a window manager like "fvwm" and logging in using that. I have to go for dinner now, so best of luck getting this straightened out.	22:49
K350	I've got a black screen after boot and after the bootsplash in Lucid Lynx. I ugraded from Karmic. Anyone?	22:49
DarkriftX	well, the upgrade didnt treat me very well	22:50
DarkriftX	video problems, apps crashing	22:50
DarkriftX	kicker panel size issues	22:50
Teknical	that fix is from Alessandro Ghersi and it replaces some files. I have tried this .. it makes the ugly splash go from bad to slightly better, the splash still shows up in likw 1024x786 rather than native res. this is more of a temporary workaround .. and not a great one	22:50
Teknical	it appears ive explored all my options for now	22:51
K350	DarkriftX: WElcome in the club	22:51
vadi01	Teknical: i think you better file a report then	22:51
* Henson_D chuckles		22:51
Teknical	thank you for your help and time though vadi01, looks like the end of the road for now. I know a few others still pushing this bug .. something will turn up	22:53
DarkriftX	I didnt know there was a club :(	22:54
DarkriftX	id have put off the upgrade	22:54
Teknical	clean install for best results imo, my laptop didnt like the upgrade .. but the clean install was fine	22:55
noor1	hello	22:55
Teknical	my only bug/issues at the moment are cosmentic	22:55
skierpage	Can anyone here still running 9.10 confirm a doc error for me? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu says you can upgrade to 10.04 from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Update , but it DOESN'T offer the upgrade to me.	22:55
Teknical	cosmetic*	22:55
Martiini	#kubuntu-devel	22:55
faissal	damn cashew !!	22:55
noor1	how could i install kubuntu desktoop on ubuntu 9.04 and what size it need on har	22:55
noor1	?	22:55
noor1	hard*	22:55
James147	skierpage: try refreshing the repos	22:56
skierpage	james147, so you tried the steps I gave and you got the upgrade offer?	22:57
James147	skierpage: it offered it to me when i was running karmic (although i did a fresh install... they tend to work better :) )	22:57
James147	skierpage: i just updated the repos and got it, dident follow any steps :S	22:58
skierpage	james147, interesting. I have the system tray upgrade offer icon and update-notifier-kde -u works, but Add and Remove Software doesn't.	22:58
James147	skierpage: did you click refesh on the updates page?	22:59
skierpage	james147 Oh yes, many times. I get bug fix updates (some pg library yesterday, another tzdata today), but not the "Distribution upgrade available".	23:01
James147	skierpage: hmm... did you update all the package?	23:01
James147	skierpage: upgrade ^^	23:01
zus	i can not play .avi files with dragon player,... dvd worked fine but i have TOO many avi files,.. can some one help?	23:02
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James147	zus: have you isntalled kubuntu-restricted-extras?	23:02
skierpage	james147, Ahh well, if it works for some people and the other options work for me, I'm not going to bother filing a bug. Maybe it's something in my Settings > Edit Software Sources. Thanks for checking.	23:03
zus	James147, i have.	23:03
James147	zus: have you closed and restarted dragon player since you installed it?	23:04
zus	James147, dragon player was already there, and i ve rebooted even	23:05
James147	zus: hmm... try installing kaffeine and see if that works	23:05
zus	James147, one sec	23:06
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skierpage	Full Upgrade to 10.04, here we come!	23:08
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James147	skierpage: good luck :)	23:08
skierpage	(I used usb-creator-kde to make a live USB of kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso to confirm it runs and my Firefox and Thunderbird pre-releases work)	23:10
zus	James147, same problem, audio plays but video is not, in fact the screen is not there i see my desktop but i see the window frame its self	23:10
K350	where do one install drivers in kubuntu lucid?	23:10
James147	K350: drivers for what?	23:10
James147	zus: not sure why its doing that... you could try purging and reinstalling kubuntu-restricted-extras (or maby just ffmpeg)	23:11
K350	James147: graphic-vard	23:12
zus	ok ill have a look into that then	23:12
James147	K350: jockey-kde should be able to install graphics drivers (at least for nvida and probally ati)	23:13
K350	James147: Ah, thanks a lot, Really appruciated:-)	23:13
K350	James147: well no rutins found...ah..well........	23:14
skierpage	Does the 10.04 upgrade log what it does? It's listing 1400 packages to remove/install/upgrade, I need to save that but I can't select the entire list :-(	23:15
das	Does Gnash work ?	23:21
wtfplymouth	i think i can stop the torrent now transmission says 32.93 share ratio for ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso	23:22
wtfplymouth	:)	23:22
das	wtfplymouth: check mb	23:22
das	wtfplymouth: and d ont forget md5 sum	23:23
wtfplymouth	a little bit over 22 gb ;)	23:23
James147	das: dosent the torrent client do a m5d sum check anyway?	23:24
das	James147: not sure i usually check anyway	23:25
James147	wtfplymouth: :) i am barly getting to a ration of 1, although ktorrent says there are 56 seeds and no peers	23:25
unholyskorn	Hello everyone	23:25
unholyskorn	I installed ATi drivers from thier website and restarted and I don't think it is working. Can someone help me?	23:25
das	anyone ever use gnash succesfully?	23:25
unholyskorn	No one? hmmm :(	23:27
das	unholyskorn: check hardware drivers and see if any proprietary drivers are active	23:27
unholyskorn	How do I do that?	23:27
unholyskorn	I typed in aticonfig --initial -f in terminal and it says no adapters found or whatever	23:27
unholyskorn	No supported adapters found	23:28
James147	unholyskorn: run jockey-kde and see if there are any drivers listed in there	23:28
das	unholyskorn: k-menu/applications/system/hardware drivers	23:28
James147	unholyskorn: (jockey-kde == "Hardware drivers")	23:29
unholyskorn	No proprietary drivers on this system	23:29
unholyskorn	I installed the ati drivers fine, and restarted, but when i run ccc:le it asks for my sudo pass and then just disappears	23:30
das	unholyskorn: havent had much luck with ati on linux but it does work and they are getting better	23:30
unholyskorn	ati-driver-installer-10-4-x86.x86_64.run was what I installed	23:30
unholyskorn	I have a ATi X800XT	23:30
logicode	Hi there, I'm having troubles trying to play audio using VLC, I'm running Kubuntu 10.04	23:31
logicode	anyone?	23:31
unholyskorn	Any ideas das or James147?	23:32
James147	unholyskorn: sorry, never used ati cards before :p	23:32
unholyskorn	arrg	23:32
unholyskorn	Is having no proprietary drivers on the system a good thing or a bad thing?	23:33
unholyskorn	the ati install said everything installed ok	23:33
skierpage	logicode, vlc works for me. I'm not sure what it uses for audio output by default, I don't think it uses System Settings >Multimedia	23:37
unholyskorn	This is incredible, having issues just installing a damn display driver...	23:37
skierpage	logicode, If I start vlc from the command line (vlc /usr/share/sounds/k3b_success1.wav) it prints some errors about pulseaudio (which isn't set up by default), but plays fine.	23:38
coreberserker	Hello all	23:40
vbgunz	anybody know how to enable desktop effects using nvidia-current on 10.04? the driver is working fine but not when it comes to effects.	23:40
coreberserker	Can someone tell me how to get my other partitions to mount with out asking for the password everytime. And I'm running Kubuntu 10.04	23:41
skierpage	What's the name of the 10.04 upgrade program for the purpose of filing bugs? It's running "python /tmp/tmpipXc12/lucid" but that's not it ;-)	23:42
coreberserker	Can anyone tell me how?	23:43
vbgunz	gonna try restarting	23:44
skierpage	coreberserker, I'm no expert but the file /etc/fstab lists what partitions should get mounted. You could as root edit that file and add an entry to it.	23:44
James147	coreberserker: just noticed that :S seems to only be on internal drives (well at least not usb flash drives)	23:44
coreberserker	Right	23:45
len_	If you do an upgrade to 10.04 on a 9.04 system using grub legacy will it convert it to grub 2? 9.04 changed to grub 2 for new installs, but kept grub legacy for upgrades.	23:45
James147	coreberserker: if it is an internal drive you want to mount i would suggest what skierpage said and add it to /etc/fstab	23:45
unholyskorn	Anyone know how to get ATi drivers to work?	23:46
skierpage	coreberserker , what partition are you trying to add? E.g. the program ntfs-config has some way of adding a Windows NTFS partition. There might be other UIs.	23:46
vbgunz	my desktop effects have been disabled and I cannot enable them. I have nvidia-current. am I missing something?	23:47
coreberserker	skierpage , its an NTFS partiton, but it mounts just fine, It just asks for a password to mount it every time but didn't ask for a password in 9.10	23:48
skierpage	BTW, to answer my own question it looks like the 10.04 program is dist-upgrade and it writes out a lot of info in /var/log/dist-upgrade.	23:48
James147	coreberserker: I would add an entry to /etc/fstab to auto mount it (or to not automount ir but allow user to)	23:48
vistakiller	anyone else have problems with suspend?	23:49
unholyskorn	Anyone know how to get ATi drivers to work?	23:49
panix_	how do i uninstall dolphin ?	23:49
skierpage	coreberserker maybe I'll run into that when I complete 10.04. The line that ntfs-config adds to /etc/fstab looks something like "/dev/sda1 /media/WindowsCdrive ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0"	23:49
James147	panix_: sudo aptitude remove dolphin not sure what depends on it though	23:50
panix_	i hate dolphin	23:50
panix_	why cant i have konquere like the good old days	23:50
unholyskorn	I hate this POS operating system that I can't even install video drivers on...	23:50
skierpage	coreberserker , try running `sudo ntfs-config` first, and back up /etc/fstab	23:50
panix_	what ATI card do you have ?	23:51
unholyskorn	X800 XT	23:51
panix_	they dont like proprietary drivers because it screws up theyr spyware	23:51
unholyskorn	So if you own an ati card you cant use kubuntu?	23:52
panix_	you cant install the driver from AMD ?	23:52
unholyskorn	That is what I did	23:52
unholyskorn	installs fine, restart and it's not working	23:52
unholyskorn	run the ccc program, asks for a password and then just exits	23:52
panix_	i bet it works fine with deabian stable	23:53
panix_	debian stable	23:53
vadi01	Teknical: u there?	23:53
unholyskorn	run aticonfig and it says no adapters are installed	23:53
skierpage	unholyskorn, I use the default free ati drivers (ati_drv.so, radeon_drv.so) from Ubuntu 9.10 and they work fine. To see what your system is using, search for '.drv' in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. I assume you rebooted.	23:53
panix_	i bet it works like charm	23:53
skierpage	cheers all.	23:53
vadi01	Teknical: any news on your nvidiea?	23:53
Teknical	nothing	23:55
Teknical	been googling, still havnt installed the driver	23:55
panix_	unholyskorn, you need to run lmod	23:55
unholyskorn	?	23:56
panix_	lsmod ?	23:56
panix_	modprobe to see if the module is installed	23:56
vbgunz	my desktop effects in 9.10 worked great. Now in 10.04 I can't even enable them. I downloaded nvidia-current. whats missing? will it help I get this message in the glx dialog of nvidia-settings "Fail to query the GLX server vendor."	23:56
panix_	they are trying to piss of the gamers i know the linux comunty	23:57
markit	I've a kubuntu 10.04 alpha3 that recognizes automatically my 1920x1080 screen, while last kubuntu does not :( xrandr does not show that resolution either. 9.10 does either. Is it a known issue? Did they broke somehting?	23:57
unholyskorn	This kubuntu is a pos	23:57
panix_	you cant have fun with games anything other then bashing at promp is forbiden	23:57
panix_	i think the proprietary driver dont like the aimbots work so good	23:58
panix_	whats a pos ?	23:58
unholyskorn	Ok, skierpage i looked in xorg.0.log and it has a whole bunch of crap about ati	23:58
panix_	pile of sith :)	23:59
coreberserker_	Thanks skierpage and James147 but I figured it out =]	23:59

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