[00:00] <James147> yofel: think it was jsut before it was anounced
[00:00] <yofel> ah wait
[00:00] <yofel> we're talking about kubuntu (*headdesk*)
[00:00] <amichair> if I have karmic with binary from nvidia site, what do I need to do  to upgrade? release notes say something about upstream drivers no longer working - ?
[00:00] <yofel> yeah, there were a few updates to the installer that shouldn't affect  kubuntu much though
[00:01] <James147> muffin2: have you rebooted since the problems started?
[00:01] <yofel> x/ubuntu isos were rebuilt today to fix a grave grub/installer issue relevant for them, kubuntu seems to be unaffected by it
[00:01] <muffin2> James147 : I did it several times.
[00:01] <muffin2> It happens each time
[00:01] <benkevan> muffin: what's the problem?
[00:02] <yofel> muffin2: and you *can* login in a tty?
[00:02] <benkevan> I'm running Kubuntu right now.. but I have to say (honestly) I think openSUSE is the best KDE distro
[00:02] <muffin2> yofel : yes I can
[00:02] <benkevan> muffin2: What's the issue?
[00:02] <muffin2> benkevan : After I log out on kubuntu, there is no KDM but just a black screen.
[00:03] <muffin2> I have to press Ctrl+Alt+F1 to enter tty1.
[00:03] <muffin2> This is kubuntu 10.04 published today.
[00:03] <benkevan> That's quite retarded.. on a new installation?
[00:03] <yofel> muffin2: can you try 'sudo kdm restart' there next time to see if that helps, and save the /var/log/Xorg.0.log the moment it shows the black screen?
[00:03] <muffin2> benkevan : It's a new stable version of kubuntu published today.
[00:03] <benkevan> I know.. but is it a new installation? an upgrade?
[00:04] <muffin2> yofel : I better save /var/log/Xorg.0.log before typing sudo kdm restart
[00:04] <yofel> yes
[00:04] <muffin2> benkevan : It's a brand new installation
[00:04] <yofel> this shouldn't happen, but now that it does it would help to know why it happens
[00:06] <muffin2> man
[00:07] <muffin2> yofel : "sudo kdm restart" results in nothing.
[00:08] <yofel> argh, I should go to bed... 'sudo service kdm restart' - sorry man
[00:10] <benkevan> sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart :D
[00:11] <muffin2> Caught signal 11 (Segmentation fault). Server aborting
[00:11] <muffin2> Please consult the The X.Org Foundation support
[00:11] <muffin2> 	 at http://wiki.x.org
[00:11] <muffin2>  for help.
[00:11] <FloodBotK1> muffin2: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[00:11] <muffin2> oops
[00:11] <dominicdinada> .
[00:11] <muffin2> Is OpenSUSE better than ubuntu?
[00:11] <yofel> o.O
[00:12] <James147> !best | muffin2
[00:12] <yofel> muffin2: depends, kde should be the same, this sounds like a graphics driver issue or something like that
[00:12] <muffin2> yofel : It's sun virtualbox
[00:12] <yofel> benkevan: that's deprecated since karmic
[00:12] <dominicdinada> how do I add the command line run textbox to the taskbar ?
[00:13] <dominicdinada> what is the widget name ?
[00:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> Okay so laptop just finished its upgrade - did the reboot and now it will show the Kubuntu splash screen for a split second (with really grainy, pixelated graphics and colors) and then the screen goes black. Nothing after that. Any thoughts?
[00:13] <yofel> hm, we did have a bunch of issues with virtualbox during lucid testing, might be one of them
[00:13] <Ellhound`Laptop> is there any easy way to change primary display on kubuntu?
[00:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 by the way and it is a Dell 700M with onboard graphics and 1Gb of RAM
[00:14] <muffin2> I should go back to ubuntu or to opensuse.
[00:14] <benkevan> oh.. haha.. new back to ubuntu since.. 7.10
[00:14] <benkevan> or was it 6.04 .. can't really remember.. been a while
[00:15] <yofel> benkevan: we're replacing sys-v-init with upstart, 'sudo service <servicename> <action>' can handle both types of init scripts
[00:15] <yofel> while the transition isn't finished
[00:15] <Zhenya> w00t upgrading to 10.04 :D
[00:15] <muffin2> Ot
[00:16] <Zhenya> i am really surprised that this was released the same day as ubuntu. I guess i misunderstood the relationship between Kubuntu and ubuntu
[00:16] <muffin2> It's time to try debian!!
[00:16] <yofel> actually /etc/init.d/kdm restart still works through a compatibility layer, dunno for how long though
[00:16] <benkevan> oooh.. about time.. :o) .. then i won't get confused if I'm on Ubuntu vs RedHat HAHA
[00:16] <Zhenya> benkevan: ahhahah thats the reason i went with Kubuntu cause it looked so much more modern :D
[00:16] <yofel> Zhenya: kubuntu is ubuntu with KDE, we can't release kubuntu with finished KDE but unstable base system ;)
[00:17] <muffin2> yofel : are you a kubuntu developer?
[00:17] <yofel> no, alpha tester
[00:17] <Zhenya> yofel: agreed. I thought that it would take y'all a while to push out K 10.04 after the U 10.04 was released
[00:17] <muffin2> yofel : And I'm a late adopter.
[00:17] <Sleeper> man its just linux, there are many cool things in life to do ( not win)
[00:18] <Zhenya> looks like the servers are getting HAMMERED with upgrades
[00:18] <Zhenya> i'm @ 42kBs
[00:18] <Sleeper> HAHA
[00:18] <smokealot> fuck yeah!
[00:18] <muffin2> :er
[00:18] <Sleeper> YOU BNET
[00:18] <Zhenya> Sleeper: WAT
[00:18] <smokealot> i was getting 4/MB then it bombed to 212kBs
[00:18] <smokealot> why!
[00:18] <yofel> Zhenya: just use a different mirror, using the main server on release day isn't a good idea :P
[00:18] <Sleeper> ok sorry its ql
[00:18] <tsimpson> !language | smokealot
[00:19] <Zhenya> yofel: i have no idea how to swtich, i;m in the gui upgrade
[00:19] <smokealot> sorry
[00:19] <oxymoron> yofel: Sorry I didnt answer directly, my girlfriend called me on my phone and was afraid of something unlogical had happened with things falling down on the floor, some ghosts or something unlogical that couldnt be explained.
[00:19] <Zhenya> smokealot: you apologized to a bot
[00:19] <yofel> Zhenya: then you'll have to live with it, you can't switch in the middle
[00:19] <tew88> Hi fellas. I've no sound in Flash. Kubuntu 10.04 (64bit), installed ubuntu-restricted-extras and have no sound either in Chrome or FireFox.
[00:19] <yofel> oxymoron: hehe
[00:19] <oxymoron> yofel: That thing worked for Dragon to use "XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1 dragon %u"
[00:19] <smokealot> atleast i apologized (:
[00:19] <Zhenya> yofel: i am totally happy. Free is free my freind, and this is great software :D
[00:19] <Sleeper> ok was just surfing
[00:19] <Zhenya> smokealot: hahahah
[00:20] <Zhenya> i think im going to go for a bike ride
[00:20] <Zhenya> any riders in here?
[00:20] <Zhenya> sorry thats OT
[00:20] <smokealot> i will join you
[00:20] <Sleeper> ok ql have fun
[00:20] <Zhenya> if you're in dallas lets go riding :P
[00:20] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, I am talking to cairo dock developer. He and I wonder, how do you call Lnacelot and Kmenu/kickoff with Dbus?
[00:20] <smokealot> but my ride will be on the magic dragon (:
[00:21] <Zhenya> smokealot: hhahahahah
[00:21] <yofel> oxymoron: no idea, I am totally clueless about how dbus works, should learn about that sometime I guess...
[00:22] <oxymoron> yofel: You know someone who knows then? Or maybe someone is here and see this? :P
[00:22] <James147> tew88: many ppl had this issue with karmic, you can try purging and reinstalling flashplugin-installer or purging it and installing the version from adobes site
[00:22] <Zhenya> later y'all :D
[00:22] <oxymoron> yofel: because he will apply a Lancelot/Kickoff applet for Cairo dock if he know how to interact with dbus or something like that
[00:22] <tew88> James147: Purging? apt-get remove?
[00:23] <yofel> oxymoron: the best place to ask if you have development questions is #kubuntu-devel I think
[00:23] <RnFstRuckHrd> Okay so laptop just finished its upgrade - did the reboot and now it will show the Kubuntu splash screen for a split second (with really grainy, pixelated graphics and colors) and then the screen goes black. Nothing after that. Any thoughts?
[00:23] <James147> tew88: apt-get purge  (it will do the same as remove but also delete config files)
[00:23] <tew88> James147: ty, I'll give it a bash
[00:24] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed, gn8 folks
[00:26] <oxymoron> yofel: Goodnight
[00:34] <RnFstRuckHrd> Okay so looking around on the ubuntu forums - found an article that says the Dell 700M is aparently blacklisted. Any version of kubuntu works fine up until 10.04 - then all you get is a black screen whether it is a fresh install, upgrade or LiveCD session. WTF? So if I cannot use this OS, how can I revert back to Karmic without formating my machine? I was told this would be a seemless upgrade... :-\
[00:35] <smokealot> wow
[00:35] <smokealot> that sucks
[00:35] <smokealot> im clueless
[00:35] <RnFstRuckHrd> I am pretty disappointed that the community was never made aware of these blacklisted machines...
[00:36] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: I am afraid down grading is not supported
[00:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029
[00:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> WOW - great
[00:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> talk about being up $h1T creek with no paddle
[00:37] <smokealot> i never new a computer could be blacklisted for an install of linux
[00:37] <smokealot> tsk tsk tsk
[00:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> I know I am a minority case here but I feel REALLY short-sided
[00:40] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: sorry, but there is not much that can be done at this stage execpt a reinstall
[00:40] <RnFstRuckHrd> man, I am irate. This is does nothing more then go against the whole idea of a free OS - blacklisted machines!?!?! The developers at Kubuntu have done A LOT of great things but they should absolutely ashamed of themselves for pulling something like this. I guess there is probably some convoluted reason for it that is far above my capabilities to comprehend but WHY WAS I NOT TOLD PRIOR TO TURNING MY LAPTOP INTO A PAPERWEIGHT (at
[00:40] <RnFstRuckHrd>  least until I reformat and start from scratch)
[00:40] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: unless you wait a few days and hope someone comes up with a workaround
[00:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> TY for the info James147, I gues I am just venting now and this is not the place, sorry
[00:41] <RnFstRuckHrd> I appreciate your advice
[00:42] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: unfortinatly there are sooo many mechienes out there its hard for get it working for everysingle one (windows has it easier as mechienes tend to be built with it in mind)
[00:45] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: Its also probally advisable from now on to try a live cd before upgrading :S
[00:45] <RnFstRuckHrd> I understand but Dell as a huge market share in household PCs, notebooks in particular. While the 700M is archaeic by todays tech standards it was a MASS produced, affordable and productive notebook. I ams ure there are more then a few of us with this issue. Unfortunately for me is the only laptop I have to use and do not have time to tinker, as much as I would liek to. Its moments like these when I have to admit my friends
[00:45] <RnFstRuckHrd>  using windows are right, you get what you PAY for
[00:46] <RnFstRuckHrd> Oh I know better now! but after having the kubuntu almeighties in this very same channel say, your upgrade will be SEEMLESS, I figured I could take their word for it
[00:46] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: they also have less of an issue because they dont upgrade their system as often (once ever few years vs twice a year)... and if your hardware dosnt work on a new windows mechiene i bet most ppl would buy a new mechiene
[00:47] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: it will be seemless in `most` cases, unfortinatlly there is always one person that it wont work for
[00:47] <RnFstRuckHrd> I would too if I was not trying to get through med school - buying new hardware is not an option. Which is why Iw as so impressed with kubuntu
[00:48] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: where as if you where on windows you would probally still be running xp rather then vista or win 7.... so they still do have the issue they just dont seem to care as much :S
[00:49] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: heh, well that aint ood
[00:50] <James147> ^^ good, looks like grub broak on mine with a fresh install
[00:50] <RnFstRuckHrd> I only ever ran WinXP, I was more then happy with it. True it did not have any cool eye-candy but the OS itself ran flawlessy for me. I switched because Kubuntu utilized my hardware more efficiently, looked and functioned nicer, and I no longer had to pirate the software that I needed
[00:52] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: but my point is still there, you wouldnt upgrade windows so you ddnet encounter the hardship of upgrading an entire os to a new version :)  Its just something you have to live with on a system that gets updated so often unfortinutlly (rather then waiting 10years for the next version)
[00:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> I was fine witrh how Karmic functioned and work - but I burned a day watching the upgrade creep in and now I have to do nothing but find a karmic .iso / burn it / and format my 700M and spend the next few hours making it look at work the way I need it. No ones fault but my own in the long run (as I did not try the LiveCD first) but still think I should have gotte some kind of headsup from Kubuntu Devs abotu blacklisting machines
[00:53] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - you are right
[00:54] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: and now to install lucid again and hope it works this time :D
[00:54] <RnFstRuckHrd> I agree that the OS does not just magically work on all hardware but I cannot think of a reason to say, "we will design to NOT work on this one"
[00:54] <James147> although i really should go to bed
[00:54] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - GL!!!
[00:55] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: its not so much deskging it not to work on your, but one project has changed the way they work which is now incompatable with your hardware...
[00:56]  * James147 hates mirrored screens, he dosnt know which one to look at even though it dosnt matter :S the differnet resalutions dosnt help
[00:58] <diabolical> How to add a command line text box to the taskbar?
[00:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> well according to the article linked at the forum (i linked earlier) it shows something they were aware of. It seems they triaged it. I know that these things MUST happen and that is why new releases are constantly made. But at the hand of the day I am still the guy with the busted computer
[00:58] <RnFstRuckHrd> which is no fun
[00:58] <LinuxGuy2009> Hello Im working on a buntu multiboot DVD on launchpad and needed to know if on the live CD if the initrd file found in /casper is named either "/casper/initrd.lz" or "/casper/initrd.gz"? Would someone be so kind as to verify this for me?
[00:59] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: but on the other hand they cannot keep package held back because it breaks one old mechiene or packages would never advance and newer mechienes might not work
[01:00] <LinuxGuy2009> For Lucid I mean of course
[01:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> Like I said - I know why they did but it does not change the fact that I got the short end of the stick (no stick at all rather). As I said before, I am a minority case but still a kubuntu user and disappointed with my experience
[01:01] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: and i am not sure how they could implment an elegent system to stop some people upgrading
[01:01] <diabolical> how do i add a textbox like backtrack4 to my taskbar "
[01:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> On the 10.04 overview page they link to known bugs, Why not link to known blacklisted machines?!
[01:01] <diabolical> ?*
[01:01] <RnFstRuckHrd> I feel that has its place
[01:02] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: probally would have been a good idea, possibally through the developers a sugestion and it might change in future
[01:02] <dominicdinada> how do i add a textbox like backtrack4 to my taskbar ?
[01:03] <Typos_King> ?
[01:04] <BiggFREE> Hi
[01:04] <RnFstRuckHrd> Not to worry I will - don't misinterpret me (easy in IRC) I am not pissed and demanding compensation. What is done is done and I can fix it, I am just disappointed that have to fix it and that I cannot partake in the new 10.04 release. I do want to make sure that other people,  myself included do not find themselves high and dry like me after a "seemless" upgrade.
[01:04] <RnFstRuckHrd> Although next I am just going to test the LiveCD before going anywhere near that notification bubble asking if I want to upgrade ;-p
[01:05] <RnFstRuckHrd> time*
[01:05] <James147> dominicdinada: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/plasma-runner?content=75059    might be what you want, if not there might be somehting else on that site you could use
[01:05] <mvk> i was/am running the RC, with KPackageKit this automtically upgrades to LTS final right?
[01:06] <RnFstRuckHrd> mvk : yes
[01:06] <dominicdinada> ty James147
[01:06] <vadi01_> This is our first Long Term Support release featuring the KDE Plasma Desktop.???
[01:06] <MidGe> Just tried installing Lynx on a Dell Latitude D800...  seems to be working OK, except that the display is a bit dodgy and the mouse pointer is sort of duplicated!  Anyone else encountered this?
[01:06] <vadi01_> meaning there has never been a LTS for kubuntu?
[01:07] <James147> vadi01_: it is the first LTS with kde 4
[01:07] <RnFstRuckHrd> MidGe - others are having hardware "disagreements" too. Pray for a workaround
[01:07] <RnFstRuckHrd> or figure it out and share ;-P
[01:07] <James147> vadi01_: the last lts for kubuntu was 6.04 i think
[01:07] <markit> hi, 10.04 until recently recognized automatically my monitor resolution, now with recent updates does not anymore. Can someone confirm the bug and/or tell me how to solve? Google does not help (xrandr just does not see 1920x1080 res anymore among the available ones)
[01:08] <MidGe> RnFst..  ok...  i'll start praying even if I don't believe in it!  :)
[01:08] <cirillo> quick question: I just installed 10.04 after not having used Kubuntu for a couple years. The new KDE 4 is great, but I have one gripe: I made some frequently used applications as desktop shortcuts, but upon trying to resize them, they instantly go back to their original size. Is this a known bug? Or did I lock their sizes without knowing?
[01:09] <RnFstRuckHrd> I don't either - be glad you have graphics ata ll. The DEll 700M will not show a single thing - just black screen (whether its an upgrade, fresh install or livecd)
[01:09] <RnFstRuckHrd> ^^^^ - MidGe
[01:10] <James147> cirillo: I have had a few widgets reset their posistion after movment, but they usually stick eventually (dosnt happen offten though)
[01:10] <MidGe> Yes.. it seems to be working..  with the display problems..   i'll wait until I upgrade my other boxes
[01:10] <James147> MidGe: what graphics card do you have?
[01:11] <cirillo> James147: I'll assume it's a known bug then, I've found a little solution: I just resize, then hold on to the widget for a bit
[01:11] <markit> well, 9.10 to 10.04 on my netbook produced an empty desktop, apart from the "cashee" (or whatever is called) on the top right. Old procedure to make bar back fails. I'll try to take care tomorrow, but just to warn other people :)
[01:12] <Typos_King> markit:     reason why is most often recommended a full-install
[01:13] <markit> Typos_King: full install is a M$ thing ;P
[01:13] <James147> markit: but it is alot less buggy :)
[01:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> MidGe - just the onboard stock intel graphics that came in the Dell 700M (bought in 2005).
[01:13] <RnFstRuckHrd> markit - it is a cashew by the way :-p
[01:13] <MidGe> James147 NVIDIA
[01:13] <dante> Hey folks, I've got a MAJOR issue here, I can't even damn well boot into the new release! Anyone care to help? I'm a bit out of my league here...
[01:13] <James147> MidGe: try to enable the nvidia drivers if you havent already (kdesudo jockey-kde)
[01:13] <markit> RnFstRuckHrd: thanks, I don't even know if is an english word or not
[01:14] <markit> nor what means,so you imagin...
[01:14] <MidGe> Yes standard card for Latitude D800..  I'll try the jockey-kde
[01:15] <RnFstRuckHrd> markit : Cashew? its a nut. delicious too
[01:15] <RnFstRuckHrd> I think the little guy in the corner of your screenw as dubbed the Cashew by users simply because of how similar it looks to one
[01:16] <dante> So anyone have a clue why my machine freezes everytime I hit KDE's splash screen?
[01:16] <dante> I mean, has it happened to anyone else?
[01:16] <markit> RnFstRuckHrd: sorry, what do you mean? I've it doubled and one being my "bar" compressed?
[01:17] <dominicdinada> James147:  Out of curosity when you have apache/php/mysql installed does it give you the option to run the script ?
[01:17] <James147> dominicdinada: the script?
[01:17] <RnFstRuckHrd> markit? I do not understand?
[01:17]  * James147 hopes grub works this time
[01:17] <RnFstRuckHrd> what are you asking?
[01:18] <markit> RnFstRuckHrd: my mistake.. lol... dubbed is not doubled, lol
[01:18] <dominicdinada> well run the file ?? basically when i install the packages am i able to run the files from anywhere or just the web folder?
[01:18] <markit> 2.20am here
[01:18] <RnFstRuckHrd> break - James147 - where can I get the 9.10 i386 desktop iso?
[01:18] <James147> Noooo, dam grub :(
[01:19] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - sorry about the grub failure :-(
[01:19] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: kubuntu.org should have it
[01:19] <dominicdinada> from ubuntu.com
[01:19] <dominicdinada> u mean ubuntu.com
[01:20] <James147> dominicdinada: probally :)
[01:20] <James147> its late i really should be in bed :S
[01:20] <RnFstRuckHrd> James147 - where? I cannot find "old" downlaods anywhere...
[01:21] <dominicdinada> RnFstRuckHrd:  I am looking for the link now
[01:21] <James147> aww, typing "umm" at the prompt didnt work (unlike that one time)
[01:22] <RnFstRuckHrd> dominicdinada - TY
[01:23] <dante> Has anyone else experienced an inabilty to load Kubuntu at all?
[01:23] <James147> dante: my desktop is getting stuck at grub :S
[01:23] <dominicdinada> RnFstRuckHrd:  http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/
[01:24] <dante> James147: Mine is getting stuck at the Splashscreen...something to do with the novoue driver or something sillly
[01:24] <dante> I have no idea how to disable it
[01:24] <RnFstRuckHrd> dominicdinada - TY!
[01:24] <dominicdinada> http://releases.ubuntu.com/karmic/ubuntu-9.10-desktop-i386.iso
[01:24] <dominicdinada> thats the exact link to the download
[01:25] <dominicdinada> they buffed the download page so you cant find karmic haha
[01:25] <Typos_King> that wouldn't be kubuntu though, is it?
[01:25] <dominicdinada> no kubuntu is on kubuntu.com
[01:26] <dominicdinada> what are you looking for Typos_King i was answering RnFstRuckHrd's question
[01:26] <dominicdinada> hence the reply was addressed to him
[01:26] <RnFstRuckHrd> lol
[01:26] <Typos_King> dominicdinada:   same here :P
[01:26]  * dante has a strong urge to throw his laptop out the window and cry in a corner
[01:26] <MidGe> ok, RnFstRuckHrd, enabling the proprietary driver worked!   Still a bit concerned about upgrading existing boxes, as they ar Dell too...
[01:26] <dominicdinada> You are looking for karmic ? or lucid ?
[01:27] <RnFstRuckHrd> well this desktop I am on right now is about to reboot to finsih its upgrade: I will ge tback on and let you all know if it works. But after the epic failure with my dell notebook I will not hold my breath
[01:27] <dante> Good luck!
[01:27] <Typos_King> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/9.10/
[01:28] <RnFstRuckHrd> MidGe - ya my 700M has no hope of running 10.04 (for the release that is out right now) my desktop is an Inspiron 530S. Like I said - if I reboot successfully after this upgrade in a few minutes I will get back on and report
[01:28] <RnFstRuckHrd> dante - TY :-P   I am sure I will need it
[01:29] <RnFstRuckHrd> "searching for obsolete software..."
[01:29] <dante> Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but this driver is in the kernal yes? So if it's the fault of everything, my laptop is basically as good as a doorstop?
[01:29] <dominicdinada> RnFstRuckHrd:  He posted the kubuntu 9.10 I swore you asked about ubuntu 9.10 lawl
[01:29] <RnFstRuckHrd> Midge - glad you got the driver working - hopefully us Dell fanatics will not ALL be left high and dry
[01:29] <smithjd> is there anything special about the update from 10.04 beta?
[01:29] <smithjd> i don't see any new packages in the last few days.
[01:30] <RnFstRuckHrd> dominicdinada - its cool I figured you just forgot the "k" - no worries m8
[01:30] <James147> anyone know how to reinstall grub from live usb... never done it with grub 2 before :S
[01:30] <RnFstRuckHrd> eesh - GL James147. I cannot help you, I'm sorry
[01:30] <dominicdinada> !grub 2
[01:30] <dominicdinada> hang on
[01:31] <RnFstRuckHrd> "removing obsolete software..."
[01:31] <Typos_King> !grub2
[01:31] <dante> Right folks, I'm gonna call it a night, night all! good luck!
[01:31] <RnFstRuckHrd> here we go... I really hope I see you guys soon!
[01:31] <Typos_King> a night?    can't we call it a noon?
[01:32] <MidGe> RnFstRuckHrd, my main box is a Dell Studio 1735...  And I have had issues with each of the last three upgrades..  so I am a bit reluctant to upgrade my main box.  Will install a backup server on my now upgraded box and back up my main one before attempting the upgrade I think.
[01:32] <dominicdinada> Its 7:30pm here
[01:32] <dominicdinada> James147: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2
[01:32] <RnFstRuckHrd> okay time to click restart - see you on the side
[01:32] <RnFstRuckHrd> KAWABUNGAHHHHHHHHHH
[01:33] <MidGe> go dude!
[01:33] <dominicdinada> James147: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD
[01:33] <dominicdinada> Brb
[01:34] <James147> dominicdinada: thxs -- too tired to follow it now though think i should give up and try tomorrow before i do mor damage :D
[01:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> okay so, I am back....kind of
[01:36] <RnFstRuckHrd> I have a completely black screen AGAIN but I can at elast get Krunner to come up using Alt +F2  thus I got IRC cliient open
[01:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> am I to assume that plasma crashed?
[01:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> how can I get i back up?
[01:37] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: "plasma-desktop"
[01:37] <RnFstRuckHrd> nothing comes up in krunner when I enter "plasma-desktop"
[01:38] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: :S
[01:38] <RnFstRuckHrd> right?!
[01:38] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: "plasma-netbook" if your running the netbook edition
[01:38] <RnFstRuckHrd> Once again - very disappointed
[01:38] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: one of them should work
[01:38] <dominicdinada> okiedokie
[01:39] <James147> RnFstRuckHrd: but I am far too tired to think now, nght all
[01:39] <RnFstRuckHrd> not- desktop version. Searched anyways and nothing
[01:39] <dominicdinada> are you able to start into safemode ?
[01:39] <RnFstRuckHrd> Seems to be the general rule that if you have a Dell machine your 10.04 release date will be in a few months if at all
[01:41] <smokealot> whoohooo 3 hours and counting on the upgrade (=
[01:43] <Typos_King> 3 hrs?
[01:43] <Typos_King> it  has taken me 15mins to dl the .iso
[01:44] <dominicdinada> 3 hours
[01:44] <dominicdinada> what you have dialup over there ?
[01:44] <smokealot> nope ):
[01:44] <smokealot> 50mbit
[01:44] <dominicdinada> why so long dude ?
[01:44] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:44] <smokealot> im using the main mirror and its really slow i guess
[01:44] <smokealot> everyone is using it
[01:44] <smokealot> i should of just burned the cd
[01:44] <Typos_King> cuz he's upgrading, likely with no backup, so he can come back here saying 'I did and upgrade and such and such is broke now' and so on
[01:44] <chemisus> is there a way to add/edit the desktop window dock (dragging a window to the left/right edge of desktop)
[01:45] <chemisus> using 10.04
[01:45] <smokealot> it wont bug me if anything breaks
[01:45] <smokealot> i can always fix it
[01:45] <Typos_King> smokealot:  you still have time to burn the .iso :P, it'll surely be less than 3hrs, download and install together
[01:46] <chemisus> would like to split desktop into four regions if possible
[01:46] <smokealot> its 55mins left now tho i duno lol
[01:46] <smokealot> not downloading anymore its updating packages and stuff
[01:48] <smokealot> i just wanted to use the upgrade prompt atleast once (=
[01:49] <Typos_King> hehe
[01:54] <dominicdinada> I am having a problem on my laptop that when i am typing the cursor position jumps. sometimes back to the middle of the textbox and sometimes it goes to a whole new window is this a driver issue or a touchpad sensitivity issue or what could it be?
[01:55] <RnFstRuckHrd> is there a way to force plasma desktop to run - when I boot everything is black. Still can run apps through krunner though
[01:56] <dominicdinada> Not sure RnFstRuckHrd you might want to ask ubuntu considering there are more active people there
[01:57] <Typos_King> ...
[01:57] <raj> guys is there anyone in here capable of reading logs and determining how to fix? its about a game smokin guns... I have the log file openAL refuses to open and i get errors while trying to run VM any ideas? i would really appreciate any help :( here is my log file ANYONE? I couldnt FIND anything online!!!! http://pastebin.org/193449   PLEASE HELP :) THANK YOU
[01:58] <Typos_King> RnFstRuckHrd:    afaik, it does that by default, you can always add stuff at System Settings > Advanced > autostart
[02:00] <smokealot> raj: it could be its not executing q3config.cfg or autoexec.cfg
[02:06] <dominicdinada> yikes
[02:09] <raj> smokealot:  but the error shows vm.gvm
[02:10] <lucas-arg> hello, can we change the notifications theme?
[02:11] <RnFstRuckHrd> Typos-King - turned out the Plasma Desktop was not even installed
[02:11] <RnFstRuckHrd> Not sure how that came to be as I have had it running in 9.10 for the last few months!
[02:12] <RnFstRuckHrd> I installed and ran plasma-desktop and all seems to be well for now. but the laptop is still bricked :-(
[02:14] <thegeek0100> Installing virtualbox through apt-get the servers are just crawling. <<big surprise>>
[02:23] <saintly> my Mic isnt working
[02:23] <saintly> anyone able to help me?
[02:27] <saintly> hello?
[02:30] <saintly> raaaaaaaaaaa
[02:30] <saintly> anyone home
[02:31] <thegeek0100> I home
[02:32] <thegeek0100> so is this after installing lucid?
[02:32] <saintly> no i still have the 9.10
[02:32] <thegeek0100> have you seen your mic work in the past?
[02:33] <saintly> with Windows XP only
[02:33] <thegeek0100> were able to add the controls in to kmix?
[02:33] <saintly> let me see
[02:36] <thegeek0100> click on the speaker on the taskbar, click mixer
[02:36] <saintly> the mic is in mixer
[02:36] <saintly> its in the sound to
[02:36] <thegeek0100> volume is up and the mute is not checked.?
[02:36] <saintly> but im tryin to talk, and its all turned up but not working
[02:37] <thegeek0100> do you have more than one sound card reported buy the system?
[02:38] <saintly> yeah, so it would seem
[02:38] <saintly> right now what is listed is HDA Intel MID
[02:39] <thegeek0100> what does multimedia say for communcations
[02:40] <saintly> how do i find that?
[02:40] <thegeek0100> click on your start button and type multimedia
[02:40] <thegeek0100> in the search
[02:40] <thegeek0100> it should show in the list
[02:41] <thegeek0100> its the sound adn video configuration tool.
[02:41] <saintly> HDA Intel MID (ALC269 Analog)
[02:42] <thegeek0100> do you have any additional entries?
[02:42] <thegeek0100> below it.
[02:42] <saintly> yes
[02:42] <saintly> let me get em
[02:43] <saintly> HDA Intel MID, INTEL HDMI (HDMI Audio Output)
[02:44] <saintly> Playback/Recording through  the Pulsaudio server
[02:44] <saintly> and
[02:44] <saintly> PulseAudio
[02:44] <thegeek0100> I would try moving each one to the top and see if the mic starts working.
[02:45] <thegeek0100> my first one to the top would be pulse audio.
[02:45] <thegeek0100> you may need to reboot to get the change to take effect.
[02:45] <saintly> alright
[02:45] <saintly> brb then
[02:46] <thegeek0100> k
[02:51] <saintly> back
[02:51] <saintly> i have an update
[02:51] <thegeek0100> what'cha got
[02:51] <saintly> It said that the ALC269 one doesnt work.
[02:51] <saintly> like just said hey, were switching to this one
[02:52] <thegeek0100> one down.
[02:54] <saintly> lol
[02:54] <saintly> and now it looks like my sound doesnt work either?
[02:55] <thegeek0100> nice
[02:55] <saintly> lol
[02:55] <thegeek0100> I would go ahead and try the next one.
[02:55] <thegeek0100> when all else fails we can go back to the original config.
[02:56] <thegeek0100> I also found it helpful to install pavdevchoose from apt-get or how ever you prefer.
[02:57] <thegeek0100> it is the pulse audio device chooser. it can shed some light on what your sound devices are doing.
[02:58] <saintly> alright, ima reboot, then we can try pavdev choose.
[02:58] <saintly> what does it do, tell you which one works?
[02:59] <thegeek0100> it should in stall the pulse audio volume control which has an input devices tab that show a metter for sound.
[03:00] <thegeek0100> so evern if it is not connecting to the speakers you can ide the mic.
[03:00] <saintly> ide?
[03:01] <saintly> Starting KTTSD Failed this just popped up, any relevance?
[03:01] <thegeek0100> identify
[03:01] <Teknical> normal to have no software updates in kpackageget after fresh 10.04 install?
[03:01] <Teknical> kpackagekit*
[03:01] <thegeek0100> mine did not have any updates.
[03:01] <Teknical> hrmm ok
[03:01] <thegeek0100> immediately after install
[03:02] <thegeek0100> did pick up a few later on.
[03:02] <thegeek0100> may be related to high server usage.
[03:02] <Teknical> hrmm, wonder when ill get those .. i noticed my last reboot the kubuntu splash screen was in a low bit depth
[03:03] <thegeek0100> I was installing some other apps when it notified me. hower ever it was only for some encoders.
[03:03] <saintly> should i update? would that help this process at all
[03:04] <saintly> upgrade*
[03:04] <thegeek0100> hard to say, my sound is working, including mic but I have a different sound card.
[03:04] <K0HAX> btw, is it normal for me to be afraid of updating because I just "know" my sound will stop working? lol
[03:04] <thegeek0100> If it were me I would install clean with 10.04 and test the sound and mic upfont
[03:05] <NJL> is there a quick and easy solution to a "Distribution upgrade process exited with code 127" error from kpackagekit?
[03:05] <thegeek0100> check system monitor
[03:05] <thegeek0100> search for pack, apt
[03:06] <thegeek0100> if you have any of those processes running and you package manager is not then they may have apt locked.
[03:06] <NJL> I don't
[03:06] <saintly> what do you mean by update clean?
[03:06] <NJL> just kpackagekit
[03:06] <saintly> wipe everything?
[03:07] <thegeek0100> install in a new partition on the hard drive.
[03:07] <saintly> so i cant install over 9.10
[03:07] <thegeek0100> really I mean dual boot you current install with a new one of 10.04
[03:08] <saintly> brb
[03:08] <thegeek0100> you can... but if things go bad, you will be worse off then you are now.
[03:08] <saintly> how so?
[03:08] <thegeek0100> if could kill your current install.
[03:08] <saintly> alright, so what if i just drag my mouse up there and hit tht lil upgrade button
[03:09] <thegeek0100> do you have the important stuff backed up?
[03:09] <saintly> all my important stuff is on a external HD
[03:11] <saintly> will tht work?
[03:11] <thegeek0100> yes
[03:11] <thegeek0100> be brave, click the upgrade.
[03:11] <thegeek0100> I make no garantees of the outcome.
[03:12] <NJL> I did the 9.04 to 9.10 upgrade and it worked flawlessly
[03:12] <NJL> prior to that release it never worked
[03:13] <NJL> hoping it works this time too  :)
[03:13] <saintly> alright. im takin the plunge, ill bbs, hopefully on the same computer lol
[03:13] <thegeek0100> good luck!
[03:13] <NJL> it takes a while
[03:13] <NJL> so don't say "bbs" heh
[03:13] <saintly> lol bbl
[03:13] <thegeek0100> hehe
[03:16] <|enigma|> Hi guys
[03:17] <|enigma|> if I want to install kubuntu to my laptop which is 64bit do I have to download kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso ? is it
[03:18] <|enigma|> wonder whether it contain all the pkg like open office, and other stuff
[03:18] <|enigma|> any one out there??
[03:18] <NJL> |enigma|: that should be fine
[03:18] <NJL> I believe it does have OO
[03:19] <thegeek0100> you have the choice of 64 or 32 bit version.
[03:19] <thegeek0100> they both come with open office as part of the install.
[03:20] <|enigma|> usually now days all 4GB dvd size but this one is about 697MB
[03:20] <|enigma|> so wonder it lacks some pkg
[03:20] <thegeek0100> I would do 64 bit, <<cause I can>>
[03:20] <thegeek0100> that is correct.
[03:21] <thegeek0100> if you need to do and offline install you can download the dvd version
[03:21] <|enigma|> so if i want something ike mysql i have to apt-get is it?
[03:21] <thegeek0100> yes
[03:22] <|enigma|> cool
[03:22] <thegeek0100> the repositories are pretty deep and wide with applications
[03:22] <|enigma|> okey
[03:23] <|enigma|> do i have to config. repositories or ?
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> sysinfo
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> System:    Host Rabla8 Kernel 2.6.31-20-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Distro Ubuntu 9.10 karmic
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> CPU:       Triple core Intel Core i5 M 430 (HT) clocked at 2267.00 MHz
[03:23] <cmcx_linux> Graphics:  Card ATI Manhattan [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series] X.Org 1.6.4 Res: 1366x768@60.0hz
[03:23] <cmcx_linux>            GLX Renderer ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series GLX Version 3.2.9704 Compatibility Profile Context
[03:23] <FloodBotK1> cmcx_linux: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[03:24] <cmcx_linux> Disks:     HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (46.0% used)
[03:27] <thegeek0100> kubutu comes with default repositories alreaty setup
[03:27] <thegeek0100> you can add whatever you need.
[03:28] <thegeek0100> I add medibuntu to get the proprietary codecs.
[03:28] <|enigma|> okey
[03:30] <Cockaine> how do i update to 10.4?
[03:31] <Cockaine> cant find the updater and i dont rememer the command D:
[03:36] <Cockaine> hmm
[03:37] <Cockaine> i get error 127 when i use the update manager :/
[03:37] <NJL> heh me too
[03:37] <NJL> Cockaine: do you have packages showing as being available for updates?
[03:37] <Cockaine> :(
[03:37] <Cockaine> yes
[03:38] <NJL> I think that might be the prob
[03:38] <Cockaine> im updating them now
[03:38] <NJL> I do too, so I'm doing them
[03:38] <Cockaine> oic
[03:38] <Cockaine> :D
[03:38] <NJL> I don't know if it's really the problem though
[03:38] <NJL> just a wild guess
[03:38] <Cockaine> well we will prolly need to update them anyways
[03:38] <NJL> it can't hurt
[03:41] <Zhenya> i think 127 is update already in progress, no?
[03:46] <Cockaine> hm i dont think so
[03:46] <Cockaine> its not showing
[03:49] <thegeek0100> you may want to check out this link
[03:49] <thegeek0100> http://kubuntuforums.net/forums/index.php?topic=3108676.0
[03:58] <SilentDis> !upgrade
[03:59] <SilentDis> happy release day everyone :D
[04:00] <SilentDis> oh good, question answered, loop mounting the alt iso is fine.  rock on :D
[04:01] <Teknical> any reason my splash screen for 10.04 looks horrible now, as if it werent in a good resolution/bit depth?
[04:02] <Teknical> first boot it looked fine, now its ugly mode
[04:02] <thegeek0100> mine did the same thing. live cd looked good but after install hdd looks ugly.
[04:02] <Teknical> strange
[04:02] <thegeek0100> yep
[04:03] <Teknical> where do i change the default startup programs so to speak, for example to stop the bluetooth and printer applet from loading on startup
[04:05] <thegeek0100> do you want to stop them from showing on the task bar, or stop them from running at all?
[04:05] <Teknical> running at all on startup, not needed on this box
[04:06] <thegeek0100> I think you stuck with the blue tooth as it is tied in to knetwork manager.
[04:07] <Teknical> well i can close it, so that seems silly .. i dont want to remove them compleatly just stop them from running at startup
[04:07] <thegeek0100> I tried uninstalling bluetooth and it still shows up in me system log.
[04:07] <thegeek0100> I don't have an answer.
[04:07] <Teknical> aye, ok
[04:08] <Qiller> kubuntu have gwibber installed ?
[04:09] <thegeek0100> not by default
[04:09] <thegeek0100> it can be added.
[04:10] <Qiller> hmm ok
[04:10] <Qiller> thegeek0100 and ubuntu? its include? or it can bee added too
[04:12] <Qiller> thank thegeek0100
[04:14] <thegeek0100> ;)
[04:20] <Cockaine> k all packages updated
[04:20] <Cockaine> im gonna try the distro now
[04:22] <Cockaine> it works!
[04:22] <Cockaine> yay
[04:30] <dominicdinada> where is the battery status widget so I can add the battery indicator back to my desktop
[04:32] <thegeek0100> right click on desktop
[04:32] <thegeek0100> choose add widgit
[04:32] <thegeek0100> is search type battery
[04:33] <thegeek0100> then double click on it.
[04:37] <lcx> hello
[04:40] <lcx> I have got kubuntu10.04 but i can't using it singing mp3
[04:41] <thegeek0100> do you here the startup sound?
[04:42] <lcx> yes
[04:43] <lcx> I don't know how i get plugn
[04:43] <thegeek0100> so the program is asking for a plugin?
[04:44] <thegeek0100> what program are you using.
[04:44] <lcx> no ,it doesn't
[04:44] <thegeek0100> what program are you using.
[04:44] <lcx>  i think i must get it
[04:44] <lcx> Amarok
[04:45] <Alienarch> I just started playing with that program
[04:45] <thegeek0100> have you download the coedecs
[04:45] <Alienarch> not liking it at all so far
[04:45] <lcx> haha
[04:45] <thegeek0100> it took me a little while to become ok with it.
[04:46] <lcx> yes
[04:46] <thegeek0100> so you did download the codecs.
[04:46] <thegeek0100> you would have needed to get them from medibuntu.
[04:47] <lcx> what is the codesc
[04:47] <lcx> what is the codecs
[04:47] <thegeek0100> do you know how to open kate.
[04:47] <lcx> yes
[04:48] <Morydd> After upgrading to 10.04 my desktop appears to be gone.
[04:48] <thegeek0100> do you have a taskbar
[04:48] <Morydd> thegeek0100: no.
i don't  think upgrade is a good idea
[04:56] <wizkoder> hy everybody
[04:56] <wizkoder> my plasmoid are jumping around all the time :-((((
[04:57] <wizkoder> the tray symbol for wireless networks always loos like connecting even when I am connected
[04:57] <bertmanphx> Question: Running Kubuntu 10.04 upgraded from RC, network-manager-kde and three other packages keep being held back.  why?
[04:58] <wizkoder> when I hide quassel by clicking on the tray symbol and show it again it forgets its size
[04:58] <wizkoder> this version is really buggy :-(
[04:59] <wizkoder> when I click on the firefox install script it says its already installed but its not
[04:59] <wizkoder> when I want to install the kubuntu-restricted-extras with kpackagekit nothing happens
[05:00] <wizkoder> and this is lts? omg
[05:02] <Teknical_> i havnt had your first two problems, but i had restricted extras install problems with 9.10 as well in kpackage
[05:02] <wizkoder> okay, when I close quassel and restart it it remembers its size
[05:02] <Teknical_> try synaptic
[05:02] <wizkoder> I installed everything with the commandline
[05:02] <wizkoder> but kubuntu should be for normal users and not for freaks (imho)
[05:03] <Teknical_> lol whatever works imo
[05:03] <Pavel_S> Hi, I have too small /var for upgrade
[05:03] <Pavel_S> can i mount another /dev/sd?
[05:03] <Pavel_S> like /var
[05:04] <Pavel_S> make upgrade and then back to my old /var?
[05:04] <wizkoder> alright. I am off. first impression: still beta stage!
[05:05] <skierpage> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu seems wrong.  It says you can upgrade to 10.04 from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates , but I've been running that all day and it's not offered me "Distribution upgrade available".
[05:06] <Teknical_> !upgrade skierpage
[05:06] <Teknical_> on my laptop it offered it as soon as i booted
[05:06] <Teknical_> the upgrade that is^
[05:06] <skierpage> The system tray icon for the upgrade did appear half-way through the day.
[05:07] <Teknical_> i saw someone linking upgrade info with the bot earlier, unfortunatly i dont recall the command or if it was useful info
[05:07] <Teknical_> i know thats unhelpful but maybe someone else can recall
[05:08] <skierpage> Teknical_ glad to hear it, guess it's just me.  Software Updates offered me a libpq5 update today, but not the 10.04 Distribution Upgrade.
[05:08] <Teknical_> my laptop running 9.10 has asked me twice, once each reboot
[05:09] <thegeek0100> upgrade
[05:10] <Teknical_> loading up the laptop to see if it has any relevant info that can help
[05:10] <skierpage> I know many ways to do the upgrade, I just thought I'd found a bug somewhere.
[05:11] <Teknical_> yes on the laptop a gear pops up in the system tray near the clock called Update Notifier (green and silver gear like icon) that asks to do a full upgrade to the new distro release
[05:12] <thegeek0100> did you try "sudo apt-get dist-upgrade"
[05:12] <thegeek0100> from terminal
[05:12] <skierpage> Teknical_ yup me too, but as I wrote what about System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Updates ?
[05:12] <Teknical_> oic
[05:13] <Teknical_> cant speak for that :) gl
[05:14] <Kurzweil> Anyone here that could help me with wirless internet?
[05:19] <dan_> real quick what method is used to install nvidia drivers in kubuntu. its been a while
[05:20] <Landgraf_Chel> Kurzweil: http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php?title=Network_manager&redirect=no
[05:20] <sjr> My upgrade crashed mid upgrade, on the installing packages, how should I resume it
[05:20] <thegeek0100> I would start with Hardware Drivers
[05:20] <thegeek0100> you can search for it in the start menu
[05:21] <thegeek0100> may have one that kubuntu will install for you.
[05:21] <dan_> thnx
[05:21] <thegeek0100> my pleasure
[05:21] <dan_> yep this is it ur the man
[05:22] <skierpage> !nvidia
[05:25] <thegeek0100> !splash screen
[05:26] <Kurzweil> wireless is working.. but only intermittently.. Like, every 4th or 5th reboot it will connect
[05:26] <Kurzweil> otherwise it's stuck at configuring installation
[05:26] <Kurzweil> interface*
[05:29] <dominicdinada> !wireless
[05:29] <dominicdinada> !wireless | kurzweil
[05:32] <Kurzweil> thanks.. checking it now.
[05:35] <Cockaine> gah
[05:35] <Cockaine> i got error 1 now
[05:35] <Cockaine> FFS!
[05:35] <thegeek0100> !splash
[05:36] <dominicdinada> !restart plasma
[05:37] <dominicdinada> !plasma
[05:39] <calumayoo> !alternate
[05:39] <calumayoo> !minimal
[05:44] <wllkmbll> I just upgraded to Kubuntu 10.04 and now my wireless signal range is signifigantly shorter. Does anyone know what happened?
[05:58] <cockaine> dudes!!
[05:58] <cockaine> whats error 1 on the update?
[06:06] <Teknical> is there a specific way to farmat a storage drive so that i dont have to click on it in dolphin (or mount it i assume)
[06:06] <Teknical> format*
[06:08] <Landgraf_Chel> Teknical: now format is simple as in Win?
[06:10] <len_> Is there any way to limit neopmuk services/virtuoso/strigi cpu usage.   My computer has been running at 90% all day and is getting warm.   Is there anyway to tell how long strigi will take to finish indexing?
[06:12] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: my amd64 work automatic in eco mode
[06:12] <Landgraf_Chel> without any tuning
[06:15] <len_> In desktop search settings is says it is indexing my home hold, but that's about 80MB, and could take forever.  I'd like to know how far along it is, and how much work it will take to maintain the index.  It's going to be chugging around in the backround all the time pinning the cpu needle, I'll just disable it.  You should be able to set the max cpu usage for it though.  It should obviously be considered a very low priority activity.
[06:17] <len_> Landgraf_Ch,  I'm using amd64 too.  I'm not sure what that has to do with strigi though.   My CPU is not "HOT" as it danger of overheating, it just running hot enough to cause the CPU fan to run fast enough to be annoying.
[06:17] <len_> Usually I don't hear it.
[06:18] <len_> 80GB home directory, I mean :)
[06:20] <calumayoo> excuse me, im trying to install lucid using the alternative iso and im trying to mount it cause i dont have a blank cd right now. cant work
[06:20] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: mayby just clean up cpu fan?
[06:21] <calumayoo> it says that no medium found on /dev/sr0
[06:22] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: no, best case  - disable desktop search
[06:23] <len_> CPU Fan is fine.  It is running like it is supposed to at the given CPU usage for such an extended period of time.  I'd just rather not allow strigi to take so much cpu.
[06:23] <Landgraf_Chel> why it for you?
[06:23] <thegeek0100> I see usb stick or cd. but not anything about just the iso
[06:24] <cjae> I have a geforce 6200 card and I was very happy to hear about nouveau, I have a tv hooked up via s video but the vertical hold on the tv is out. How may I fix this?
[06:24] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: desktop search - this is google soft?
[06:25] <cjae> also is there issues with blutooth keyboards and mice
[06:25] <cjae> running 10.04
[06:25] <len_> Indexing is set on by default in lucid--it's not something I chose.
[06:26] <calumayoo> thegeek0100: see thishttp://www.linux-support.com/cms/en/magazine/articles-by-category/4-howtos/137-upgrade-to-ubuntu-910-using-the-alternate-cd-dvd
[06:26] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: ok, i dont install still
[06:27] <Landgraf_Chel> still 9.10
[06:27] <Landgraf_Chel> today i going
[06:27] <calumayoo> ive been trying it as i deem it similar for upgrading form 9.10 t 10.04...
[06:27] <Landgraf_Chel> then will talking
[06:27] <len_> It didn't start indexing for me until after I upgraded to lucid.
[06:28] <Landgraf_Chel> len_: reinstall on clear hard
[06:28] <thegeek0100> I also found this one to install directly from iso "http://www.instantfundas.com/2007/08/install-any-linux-distro-directly-from.html"
[06:29] <len_> No need to do that.  I can just turn off indexing if it comes to that.
[06:29] <len_> I'd rather allow indexing though, but just limit its allowed cpu usage.
[06:31] <kt> hi
[06:31] <kt> is it Idels channel
[06:32] <kt> where r u ppl
[06:33] <thegeek0100> been real, fun... I'm out of here...
[06:33] <Landgraf_Chel> kt: we are there
[06:34] <kt> I'm trying to update my OS
[06:34] <kt> it's taking time
[06:34] <kt> :s
[06:35] <kt> can u send ur PC to me after u update it?
[06:36] <Landgraf_Chel> kt: don't now
[06:36] <Landgraf_Chel> kt: don't know
[06:36] <kt> just send ur pc
[06:36] <kt> it's not so hard
[06:37] <kt> use DHL
[06:37] <Landgraf_Chel> kt: where u want sed your pc?
[06:37] <Landgraf_Chel> *send
[06:37] <Landgraf_Chel> from window your home?
[06:37] <kt> I want yours
[06:37] <kt> my pc very old
[06:38] <bazhang> !ot
[06:38] <kt> I want to get your pc
[06:38] <bazhang> kt, please take chat to #kubuntu-offtopic
[06:38] <Teknical> ok im feelin stupid (probably so) but I have kubuntu 10.04 installed on my raid .. all is good there. I also have a 120 gig IDE in the mix somewhere that I use for storage and virtualbox's.. however at the moment I have no permission to create or do anything on the drive really? is there a proper way or a guide to show me how to set this up? I didnt have this problem in 9.10 it seemed to just work
[06:38] <kt> k
[06:38] <kt> :)
[06:39] <FeasibilityStudy> Only 249 peeps on here. lol
[06:40] <kt> yeap
[06:40] <sunk8> Hi guys, just wanted to know the status of the kubuntu ubuntu one client. Does it really work for any1?
[06:40] <Landgraf_Chel> ops, don't anderstand first
[06:40] <kt> just to help you
[06:40] <FeasibilityStudy> Sux how Canonical doesnt care about KDE.
[06:41] <sunk8> Hello, any1 tried installing the Ubuntu One client for Kubuntu?
[06:42] <kt> I'm using Kubuntu now
[06:43] <sunk8> kt, u tried Ubuntu One client?
[06:44] <kt> I'm using Ubuntu, but I dont know about "Ubuntu One Client"
[06:44] <Landgraf_Chel> why Ubuntu One kontent is mp3? why not free ogg?
[06:45] <sunk8> Err. In GNOME I have ubuntuone-client named package that installed a beautiful application which helped me sync all my folders with Ubuntu One. Wondering if something similar is available for kde...
[06:45] <sunk8> I wanna switch to a fresh Kubuntu on my PC. And don't want to install the GNOME client.
[06:46] <kt> hmm, I don't know about that, I just came from MS OS :)
[06:47] <sunk8> lawl. It's been about 2 years since I saw the Windoze interface...
[06:47] <sunk8> kt, u atleast know about Ubuntu One services?
[06:48] <kt> :s
[06:48] <kt> yeah, it's good
[06:48] <sunk8> U use them online or sync with your desktop/apps too?
[06:48] <FeasibilityStudy> I am on suse now, but am thinking about Kubuntu.
[06:49] <sunk8> I believe they had a kubuntu client till some days back. And it seems to have vanished completely from the repos.
[06:49] <kt> I did not get you
[06:50] <sunk8> In Ubuntu, we just open the client app and click on connect. Log in and it synchronizes all files and folders from the 'Ubuntu One' folder in my home directory.
[06:50] <sunk8> We can just drag n drop folders there and they get syncd automatically.
[06:51] <kt> I c, I don't know about this thing
[06:52] <sunk8> It was installed by default in Ubuntu. Kubuntu had it in beta2 but now, it ain't here.
[06:52] <sunk8> removed from the repos
[06:53] <kt> do you want me to check main?
[06:54] <sunk8> Can you try to install the package 'ubuntuone-client', and let me know what happens?
[06:54] <kt> I have synaptic-kde
[06:54] <kt> is it the same?
[06:54] <sunk8> tell me if it tries to install the GNOME version or pulls the kde one...
[06:56] <moetunes> sunk8: this might help - http://linux.digitalsp.com/2009/12/installing-ubuntu-one-on-kubuntu-910.html
[06:57] <kt> I have "Ubuntu One client GNOME integration"
[06:58] <sunk8> moetunes. That's the issue. ubuntuone-client-kde existed in karmic, but is not there in lucid!
[06:58] <moetunes> o
[06:59] <sunk8> kt. It seems that we don't have a kde client yet for ubuntu one. It doesn't even show at the packages.ubuntu.com
[07:00] <kt> sunk8: I have this one, "Ubuntu One client GNOME integration" is it the same one?
[07:01] <sunk8> kt, na that one would install the GNOME client. It requires nautilus. Integrates with evolution, tomboy and rhythmbox. Seriously there's nothing similar available for KDE?
[07:03] <moetunes> sunk8: if you ask later there might be more folk with an idea - us and europe are sleeping atm
[07:04] <sunk8> moetunes. Perhaps you are right. Thanx a lot guys. I'll try later. ;-)
[07:15] <calumayoo> hello..how do you mount iso images in kubuntu 9.10?
[07:18] <calumayoo> !mount iso
[07:18] <calumayoo> !mount
[07:19] <bazhang> !iso
[07:20] <calumayoo> bazhang: the problem is that i dont know what <mountpoint> to assign
[07:20] <calumayoo> !isomount
[07:20] <moetunes> calumayoo: you make a dir then use it as a mountpoint
[07:21] <calumayoo> i see thanks
[07:21] <moetunes> e.g. sudo mkdir -v /mnt/mounpoint
[07:22] <ForgeAus> is there a network viewer/port scanner  proggy for Kubuntu? something to discover IP's on on a lan/range?
[07:22] <dominicdinada> blah ark with the rar binaries wont let me extract rars what is a good gui front end for 7zip ?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> its not ark that is your rar problem its rar being a proprietary format
[07:25] <jotall> Is there no LyX in 10.04?
[07:25] <ForgeAus> you need a package like unrar-free but 7z uh, not sure...
[07:25] <ForgeAus> jotall: good question
[07:25] <ForgeAus> !info LyX
[07:26] <ForgeAus> apparently not even in karmic?
[07:26] <maco> !info lyx
[07:26] <ForgeAus> (which is like 9.10)
[07:26] <jotall> It is available in 10.04 Ubuntu.. I did manage to install it there
[07:26] <jotall> But not in Kubuntu
[07:26] <maco> !info lyx karmic
[07:26] <ForgeAus> jotall? what do you mean
[07:26] <maco> ForgeAus: package names are all lowercase
[07:26] <ForgeAus> any ubuntu packages are available in kubuntu
[07:26] <maco> jotall: ubuntu & kubuntu share repositories
[07:27] <jotall> Hm, well, it was a while ago, so I might have taken it from their site, yeah..
[07:27] <jotall> Yeah
[07:27] <jotall> So is it not in the reps because it's still for 3 and not 4? Qt/KDE..
[07:27] <maco> it *is* in the repos
[07:27] <maco> lyx | 1.6.5-1ubuntu1 | lucid/universe | source, amd64, i386
[07:28] <moetunes> ForgeAus: iirc nmap can scan the lan
[07:28] <ForgeAus> thx
[07:28] <ForgeAus> the ##linux pplz told me that :)
[07:28] <maco> !info lyx lucid | jotall
[07:28] <jotall> oh universe
[07:29] <maco> it has always been a universe package
[07:29] <maco> at least as far back as dapper
[07:29] <maco> (i'm looking at the list-of-current-versions-of-this-package-in-all-supported-versions right now)
[07:31] <jotall> Ya, thanks for the simple "d'oh" answer.. it's been a while since I used Ubuntu :)
[07:31] <calumayoo> moetunes: can you really mount in KDE?
[07:31] <moetunes> ForgeAus: lots of network tools returned from   apt-cache search nmap
[07:31] <moetunes> calumayoo: of course
[07:32] <calumayoo> :( why cant i? ok... ill try again
[07:33] <maco> if you want a gui to make nmap easier, zenmap is nice :)
[07:33] <moetunes> calumayoo: make sure you have the full path to the iso image and mountpoints and don't forget to sudo
[07:33] <calumayoo> ok
[07:33] <moetunes> luck
[07:35] <ForgeAus> uh, now I need to know how to use nmap, whats target exactly? can I specify an IP range there?
[07:35] <ForgeAus> ahh I think I figured it out
[07:35] <ForgeAus> instead of x.x.x.x-x.x.x.x its x.x.x.x-x
[07:39] <moetunes> ForgeAus: from man nmap - nmap -v -sP 192.168.0.0/16 10.0.0.0/8
[07:40] <moetunes> so maybe nmap -v -sP 192.168.0.0/16
[07:42] <theuros1> is somewhere a virtual box image with kubuntu available for download
[07:44] <moetunes> theuros1: there's #vbox - they might know
[07:46] <bazhang> !info lyx
[07:47] <ForgeAus> moetunes whats the 16 mean?
[07:47] <ForgeAus> 16 ips starting from .0 ?
[07:47] <ForgeAus> theuros1:  you can always get a kubuntu.iso and install it in vbox...
[07:48] <moetunes> ForgeAus: I would think from .0 to .16 scan
[07:49] <moetunes> ForgeAus: -sP: Ping Scan - go no further than determining if host is online
[07:52] <theuros1> i found it here http://virtualboxes.org/news/   ..
[07:52] <eirikb> Hello. How do I enable nvidia drivers?
[07:53] <moetunes> !nvidia | eirikb
[07:53] <eirikb> moetunes: Thanks
[07:54] <moetunes> np
[07:55] <eirikb> moetunes: It seems to be for ubuntu and gnome (settings)? And i thought 10.04 was released with new set of drivers for nvidia?
[07:56] <moetunes> eirikb: that's the extent of my knowledge on nvidia sorry :]
[07:58] <eirikb> And I can't see any "Restricted Manager" in system settings -> advanced tab :(
[07:58] <eirikb> moetunes: Ok
[08:02] <eagles0513875> hey guys is there an app which downloads videos from youtube native to kubuntu
[08:03] <eirikb> I do have a hardware-tab in System settings, but it does not mention nvidia
[08:04] <eagles0513875> eirikb: what issues are you having with nvidia
[08:04] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Can't enable the driver
[08:04] <eirikb> eagles0513875: (10.04)
[08:04] <eagles0513875> eirikb: O_O what errors are you getting
[08:04] <eirikb> eagles0513875: None, I don't know how to enable it, can't find any menu
[08:04] <eagles0513875> give me a vew to open my vm
[08:04] <eagles0513875> and ill help ya get it working :)
[08:05] <eirikb> Ah, cool thanks
[08:05] <eagles0513875> no problem
[08:05] <eagles0513875> eirikb: what kind of video card do you have
[08:05] <eirikb> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV43GL [Quadro FX 540] (rev a2)
[08:05] <eagles0513875> nice gpu btw
[08:05] <eagles0513875> :)
[08:06] <eagles0513875> do you do alot of 3d stuff like cad and what not
[08:06] <eirikb> Nope, I just want effects to make it look shiny
[08:06] <eagles0513875> lol
[08:06] <eagles0513875> eirikb: click on the k then applications then system then hardware drivers that will find any drivers you would need
[08:07] <eagles0513875> eirikb: did it find your video card ?
[08:07] <eirikb> System Settings -> Andvanced -> Hardware   That is what I have tried, and there is no mention of nvidia or graphic cards at all
[08:08] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:08] <eagles0513875> not in system settings
[08:08] <eagles0513875> see my step above
[08:08] <eirikb> Personal information manager? :/
[08:08] <eagles0513875> no no
[08:08] <eirikb> Found it
[08:08] <eirikb> Serached
[08:08] <eagles0513875> ok
[08:08] <eagles0513875> anything come up
[08:09] <eirikb> It wants me to edit sources for apt
[08:09] <eagles0513875> O_o
[08:09] <eagles0513875> open up kpackagekit and you can edit the sources from there
[08:10] <eagles0513875> and click on settings then hit edit sources
[08:10] <eagles0513875> eirikb: ^
[08:10] <eirikb> And then?
[08:10] <KeithWeisshar> do you have a link to the kubuntu release notes?
[08:11] <eagles0513875> !release
[08:11] <eagles0513875> !releasenotes
[08:11] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: see above :)
[08:11] <eirikb> eagles0513875: The sources seems fine to me. But Settings only let me edit sources
[08:12] <eagles0513875> eirikb: is that what u said you needed to do edit the apt sources list
[08:12] <eagles0513875> !nvidia
[08:12] <eagles0513875> humm
[08:12] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Oh no I didn't mean that, I meant when I open the application called Settings (Searched) I get to KPackageKit
[08:12] <KeithWeisshar> is there a separate release note for kubuntu?
[08:12] <eirikb> eagles0513875: But the apps title is Settings - KDE Control Module
[08:13] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: i am not sureu
[08:13] <eagles0513875> O_O
[08:13] <eagles0513875> hold on
[08:13]  * eagles0513875 thinks me needs to do a clean install as i upgraded from karmic
[08:13] <eirikb> :)
[08:13] <eagles0513875> eirikb: open up hardware drivers
[08:14] <eirikb> eagles0513875: aaah, it's a seperate app, I searched for it
[08:14] <KeithWeisshar> is it worth downloading the kubuntu cd for kde if i already have the stanard ubuntu cd
[08:14] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: no need
[08:14] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: to install kde just install the package kubuntu-desktop
[08:14] <eagles0513875> that will install the necessary apps that come with kubuntu as well as kde
[08:15] <eirikb> eagles0513875: That was kinda hidden for new users for KDE. And System settings just told me "Don't work, must enable drivers"
[08:15] <KeithWeisshar> why are there separate ubuntu and kubuntu cd's?
[08:15] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: ubuntu is just gnome and kubuntu is kde xubuntu is xfce
[08:15] <eagles0513875> eirikb: restart after enabling
[08:15] <KeithWeisshar> does the kubuntu cd include firefox
[08:16] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: ff can be downloaded
[08:16] <eagles0513875> and 2ndly its to save you from downloading large amounts of data thats why there is kubuntu
[08:16] <KeithWeisshar> what default broweser does kubuntu include
[08:16] <KeithWeisshar> ubuntu comes with firefox
[08:17] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Ah I understand it now. I was looking at favorites, I should be looking at Applications. Maybe the guide link on !nvidia should mention that?
[08:17] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Thanks for the help
[08:17] <eagles0513875> :) no problem
[08:17] <eagles0513875> also eirikb
[08:17] <eagles0513875> if you want to install restricted formats like flash java etc
[08:17] <syon> whohoo. a new LTS release. thanks everyone for their hard work!
[08:17] <KeithWeisshar> a web browser is still needed to download
[08:17] <KeithWeisshar> does it come wiht a default browser needed to download firefox
[08:17] <eagles0513875> on the terminal type sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[08:18] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: download it via commandline
[08:18] <eagles0513875> its in the repos
[08:18] <eagles0513875> KeithWeisshar: konqueror is the default browser
[08:18] <eirikb> eagles0513875: Ok, then I will get some as apt-get install sun-java6-jdk for java, instead of OpenJDK?
[08:18] <eagles0513875> eirikb: i believe kubuntu-restricted-extras installs openjdk
[08:18] <eagles0513875> i believe not sure
[08:18] <eagles0513875> if your not worried about that stuff for now you can leave it
[08:19] <eirikb> Oh, don't want that
[08:19] <eirikb> Yeah I checked it out, it's openjdk
[08:19] <eirikb> Is flashplugin-nonfree deprecated then? (Or only used in ubuntu)
[08:19] <TheAncientGoat> Ok, wifi card seems to be installed on my LG x130 netbook, but it isn't detecting either of my wifi routers :\
[08:19] <eagles0513875> eirikb: i saw it in the repos
[08:19] <eagles0513875> !flash
[08:20] <eirikb> flashplugin-nonfree is there though
[08:20] <eagles0513875> eirikb: look at that link. also there is a 64bit flash i just found out :)
[08:21] <eirikb> In ubuntu I've used flashplugin-nonfree for years, always worked. I'll look it up, thanks. Bye
[08:21] <eagles0513875> eirikb: ill be around for a while if you have any questions
[08:22] <eirikb> Ok, thanks a lot :)
[08:22] <eagles0513875> eirikb: dont forget to reboot for ur vido driver to get workin
[08:22] <eagles0513875> :)
[08:22] <eirikb> Yeah I know, it's same app as ubuntu, just didn't know how to get to it :D  As in ubuntu you will be prompted after install
[08:22] <eagles0513875> hehe
[08:26] <rob0917> I'm trying to decide between kubuntu 10.04 and pclinuxos 2010 ,are there any suggestions to which I should choose .
[08:27] <ikonia> rob0917: it's personal taste, try them out see what works best for you
 thanks I'll try both .  I'm really starting to like kde4 over gnome
[08:33] <MrKlown> has anyone had trouble installing 10.4 ?
[08:34] <syon> sorry for cross posting, but #kubuntu-netbook is still sleepy ;-)
[08:34] <syon> is there an easy way for testing out the NB-RMX? from a normal Kubuntu install?
[08:34] <MrKlown> when i try to install kubuntu it freezes after i choose english and the disc shows no errors, any idea?
[08:35] <eagles0513875> syon: what kind of testing do you want to do
[08:36] <MrKlown> man i wish someone has had this problem
[08:36] <syon> eagles0513875: just run it on my existing non-UNR Kubuntu install
[08:36] <neurre> hi
[08:36] <neurre> is there mini / net install cd image url for 10.04?
[08:37] <eagles0513875> syon: use virtual box then to setup a virtual machine to test before installing
[08:37] <syon> eagles0513875: thanks. i guess I could also use the Netbook Live Image
[08:38] <eagles0513875> :) ya
[08:38] <syon> so I assume that the answer to my original question is: No, there is not a simply installable (meta-) package to move from Kubuntu -> Kubuntu NR
[08:39] <eagles0513875> syon: not that i know of but for testing i usually use a virtual machine to test
[08:39] <syon> neurre: there used to be one hidden deep in the folders of the mirrors, let me double check
[08:40] <syon> neurre: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD ?
[08:41] <forge> no kubuntu-netbook-desktop?
[08:41] <neurre> syon, is it the same as ubuntu?
[08:41] <forge> its larger I know that much
[08:41] <Mamarok> syon: of course there is: install the kubuntu-netbook packages, then restart
[08:42] <syon> neurre: can't remember for sure, but I think you could chose which desktop flavour you wanted to install
[08:42] <forge> the iso for kubuntu netbook is 700+mb the normal kubuntu desktop iso is around 680mb
[08:42] <syon> Mamarok: That was too simple, thanks! :-)
[08:42] <neurre> whats different in netbook?
[08:42] <forge> !info kubuntu-netbook
[08:42] <Mamarok> neurre: the workspace is oüptimized for netbook screens
[08:43] <Mamarok> optimized*
[08:43] <forge> neurre, essentially the screenres
[08:43] <forge> desktop is in 2 activities
[08:43] <Mamarok> forge: and it looks different
[08:43] <syon> forge: wow. that is great "!" magic
[08:43] <forge> 1 for apps 1 for widgets or something like that...
[08:43] <neurre> what happens if i run it in proper desktop computer?)
[08:43] <forge> well Mamarok afaik the looks is... similar in style...
[08:43] <Mamarok> neurre: it will also work, just make your desktop look different
[08:43] <neurre> comparison screenshots would be great
[08:44] <Mamarok> there is no panel IIRC
[08:44] <syon> neurre: screenshots https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Netbook
[08:44] <forge> neurre, not much you just get lower screenres, and a less usauble desktop
[08:44] <neurre> less usable in what ways?
[08:44] <neurre> cant i use the native screen resolution?
[08:44] <syon> forge: i was hoping for some different setup for the resource hogging background deamons ;)
[08:44] <Mamarok> forge: that is a matter of opinion
[08:45] <Mamarok> syon: install the kubuntu-netbook-default-settings so you can tweak
[08:45] <forge> syon I doubt it
[08:45] <forge> kubuntu netbook as I said is bigger, so theres more of it than the normal desktop
[08:45] <forge> oddly enough
[08:46] <Mamarok> bigger? How that bigger? The screen resolution is different, else it is basically the same
[08:46] <ForgeAus> Mamarok: yeah same in concept, different in real-estate
[08:46] <syon> wicked. thanks guys for the quick help! maybe testing the Live ISO from a fast USB key will give me the cleanest experience
[08:47] <ForgeAus> (by that I mean screen real-estate, as in as much space on the screen as you would otherwise have to place apps/icons/etc...
[08:47] <Mamarok> syon: also, for help about the netbook edition there is #kubuntu-netbook
[08:47] <syon> and if I like it, I know how to transition.
[08:47]  * neurre thinks there is no such thing as fast usb key
[08:47] <syon> [09:34] <syon> sorry for cross posting, but #kubuntu-netbook is still sleepy ;-)
[08:47] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: why are you sonegative about? It is for small screens
[08:47] <ForgeAus> the netbook remix is about the only thing I think that might justify using mac-like menu's
[08:47] <Mamarok> if you don't like it, don't use it
[08:47] <ForgeAus> Mamarok: sorry I wasn't trying to sound negative
[08:47] <Mamarok> well, you do
[08:47] <ForgeAus> and yes I agree its designed for smaller screens
[08:48] <ForgeAus> (which netbook computers generally have)
[08:48] <Mamarok> so if you have a high screen resolution it is definitely not for you, it is for netbooks, remember?
[08:48] <neurre> well
[08:48] <Mamarok> not for normal laptops
[08:48] <ForgeAus> neurre you can try it nothing to stop you
[08:48] <syon> neurre: there definitly are. especially compared to a (fast) HDD that has to go through LUKS on an atom ;-)
[08:48] <neurre> cant i customize font sizes and desktop the way i want it?
[08:48] <ForgeAus> just be aware of the res thing, so you don't expect more out of it thats all...
[08:49] <neurre> syon, could you recommend me one?
[08:49] <neurre> syon, all i've tested have been a lot slower than HDD
[08:49] <syon> neurre: well, my comparison was not entirely fair... i was talkig about an unencrypted USB key vs. a LUKS-encrypted HDD through a rather slow atom
[08:49] <neurre> if i put smaller size fonts and icons and remove unnecessary desktop thingies i dont really use, what is there different then between netbook and normal?
[08:51] <Mamarok> neurre: that's the magic of KDE, you can make it look the same
[08:51] <neurre> my desktop (on xp) just some quicklaunch icons on the left (widescreen) and thats it, i dont need - or want - anything else on my desktop
[08:51] <neurre> in that sense, i dont understand "why netbook edition"
[08:51] <Mamarok> just be aware of the performance restrictions of a netbook
[08:51] <ForgeAus> neurre becuase a kde desktop isn't suitable for a netbook
[08:51] <Mamarok> neurre: it is for netbooks, not for normal laptops, how difficult is that to understand?
[08:52] <ForgeAus> so they sliced it down to netbook so it fits nicer and works better for that type of computer
[08:52] <syon> neurre: Price comparison pages usually have also some speed comparison: http://skinflint.co.uk/  http://geizhals.at/eu/
[08:52] <neurre> mamarok, it is difficult to understand because i dont use much at all any other features that the quicklaunch icons :D
[08:53] <ForgeAus> sorry I should say the normal default KDE desktop is designed for desktop pc resolutions, kubuntu netbook is customized for another comptuer type so it suits the screen res far better, and work more efficiently with less pixelspace
[08:53] <ForgeAus> Mamarok:  that wasn't negative was it?
[08:53] <neurre> yeah i know but im just nitpicking :)
[08:53] <syon> :-D
[08:54] <neurre> ideally there would be just single edition which would automatically work in a good way in all resolutions
[08:54] <neurre> smaller resolution -> smaller fonts, less space wasted in gui things etc
[08:54] <syon> neurre: at least with KDE you *can* change things you want them. this is something I miss with GNOME, really.
[08:54] <ForgeAus> neurre, you should see the lengths the standard gnome-based ubuntu went to for its netbook remix
[08:54] <ForgeAus> using a completely different window manager...
[08:55] <neurre> oh dear
[08:55] <ForgeAus> (although I'm not sure if thats changed since then)
[08:55] <syon> ForgeAus: Are they? Wow. Didn't know that.
[08:55] <ForgeAus> forgot the name of it
[08:55] <ForgeAus> started with h
[08:55] <neurre> no wonder im looking for kubuntu instead of ubuntu / gnome :D
[08:56] <neurre> but ive only used kubuntu 9 a little on my home computer
[08:56]  * syon fist of all updates to 10.04 and hopes that there is not too much interference with the additional KDE PPAs he pulled in.
[08:56] <neurre> it got the font sizes really wrong when i booted it to tv :D
[08:56] <ForgeAus> Matchbox is the name of the Ubuntu desktop for Ubuntu netbook remix from memory..
[08:57] <ForgeAus> (its essentialyl alternatives for metacity and gnome...
[08:57] <ForgeAus> they're calling the window manager Maximus now I think, but it used to bee something else
[08:58] <neurre> 3 mins left to download kubuntu-10.04 .. :)
[08:58] <metellius> after the upgrade my main panel has disappeared. the plasma desktop is still there, but the panel is not
[08:59] <neurre> im going to install kubuntu on vmware image..
[08:59] <neurre> i cant spare much more than maybe 50 or 60 GB
[08:59] <eagles0513875> hey Mamarok im connected to one of the mirrors via ftp where on the mirror would i find the iso available for download
[09:00] <eagles0513875> nm the mirror wont work :(
[09:00] <syon> eagles0513875: which ISO?
[09:01] <syon> mini.iso?
[09:01] <eagles0513875> no
[09:01] <eagles0513875> full iso
[09:01] <eagles0513875> of 64bit lucid
[09:01] <eagles0513875> damn school firewall blocking http iso downloads ftp works fine though
[09:01] <eagles0513875> syon: thing i found something hold on
[09:02] <eagles0513875> nm blocked :(
[09:02] <syon> eagles0513875: could you just prefix the download links with ftp instead?
[09:02] <neurre> 10 secs left :)
[09:02] <eagles0513875> depends on the server/mirror if they support ftp
[09:03] <neurre> hmm
[09:03] <syon> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/downloadmirrors#mirrors
[09:03] <syon> several of those have ftp in their URL, maybe try one of those?
[09:03] <eagles0513875> :)
[09:03] <eagles0513875> i got it now
[09:03] <eagles0513875> ftp into release.ubuntu.com as a guest :)
[09:04] <syon> then releases/kubuntu/arch/...
[09:04] <neurre> i need update my vmware first :/
[09:04] <FinnArild> ... so - I started the update to 10.04 as I was requested yesterday and went to bed. This morning, the kde screenblanker was on, and I could not get it off with my bluetooth key/mouse. I rebooted, and now I only get the shell login. This leaves me with 2 immediate questions:
[09:04] <syon> hang on... 10.04 first :-)
[09:04] <FinnArild> 1: How could a update be so royally f***ed up?
[09:04] <FinnArild> 2: How can I fix it.
[09:04] <syon> FinnArild: What kind of GFX card do you have?
[09:05] <syon> does it need a special driver?
[09:05] <syon> such as newer ATI  / NVidia cards?
[09:05] <FinnArild> eh ... whatsitcaled again - the acer REVOLUTION it is ... It ran fine on my previous Kubuntu
[09:05] <rethus> 10.04 out now. Is an upgrade without problems possible? anyone try it?
[09:05] <FinnArild> syon: it's a ION
[09:06] <kaddi> is there are a list if known problems with 10.04 somewere?
[09:06] <syon> FinnArild: hmhm, htat might need nvidias drivers
[09:06] <syon> more information could be found from the shell through having a look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:06] <FinnArild> syon: yes - it definitely does. But whyever should that be a problem?
[09:07] <FinnArild> syon: it ran fine just before the upgrade?
[09:07] <syon> i.e.: log in, then "less /var/log/Xorg.0.log"
[09:07] <syon> and check for any errors
[09:07] <syon> maybe the driver was not properly installed through the update
[09:07] <syon> this is somewhat tricky with the closed-source drivers
[09:07] <ForgeAus> thats weird the default desktop for UNE (ubuntu netbook remix) looks kinda mac-like... purplish colour for the desktop anyway...
[09:08] <FinnArild> syon: failed to load module nvidia - module does not exist!
[09:08] <FinnArild> but
[09:08] <FinnArild> why does an upgrade fuck that up?
[09:09] <FinnArild> and
[09:09] <FinnArild> How do I fix it?
[09:09] <eagles0513875> !language FinnArild
[09:09] <FinnArild> sorry
[09:09] <FinnArild> forgot the ***
[09:09] <FinnArild> :)
[09:09] <eagles0513875> its ok
[09:09] <syon> you could try to do an online update
[09:10] <FinnArild> syon: how would I do this from shell?
[09:10] <syon> hang on.. if you did an update.. it should have all the newest packages already
[09:10] <syon> sudo apt-get update
[09:10]  * FinnArild had a perfectly running kubuntu system
[09:10] <syon> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[09:10] <neurre> now i guess i need to reboot a couple of times first in order to get vmware updated..
[09:10] <rethus> 10.04 out now. Is an upgrade without problems possible? anyone try it?
[09:10] <FinnArild> ah
[09:11]  * neurre is going to make a fresh install..
[09:11] <FinnArild> *dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem. *
[09:11] <syon> ah. that may explani things
[09:11] <syon> just do that
[09:11] <FinnArild> ... which means that it wasn't quite finished when I turned off stuff
[09:11] <FinnArild> now - THAT was helpful :)
[09:11] <FinnArild> (but poor grandma trying to run her own linux ;) ...)
[09:11] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:12] <syon> hehe. tell her how to use IRC ;-)
[09:12] <syon> and that we're nice folks ;-)
[09:12]  * FinnArild is not the grandma - it was just an image popping into my head :)
[09:12] <FinnArild> I know you are nice. It is me who is frustrated :)
[09:13] <syon> FinnArild: if you were, you would have been the first grandma on IRC i know :)
[09:14] <FinnArild> syon: don't say that - my sister is actually on IRC and she's just become a grandma.
[09:14] <syon> now my upgrade just bailed out with a non-helpful error message. "Error 1: bla bla bla" I guess I need more control. from the terminal :)
[09:15] <14WAALGOI> hii guys.. i want to talk to someone who has done a fresh install of lucid and is free enough to help me with my naive questions/doubts :-)
[09:15] <syon> FinnArild: I did not say that were no grandmas in IRC ;-)
[09:15] <FinnArild> :)
[09:15] <syon> eagles0513875: is there a manual for the fancy "!" things somewhere?
[09:16] <ads> So, any known trouble upgrading from 9.10?
[09:16] <ads> Or should i risk taking a backup and hit the upgrade button?
[09:18] <kaddi> ads I think I'm gonna wake a little longer. Personally.. Not many seem to have upgraded yet
[09:18] <Dr_Euphonium> greetings
[09:18] <kaddi> ads you can check known issues in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes
[09:18] <Mamarok> kaddi: I am on Lucid since the last Alpha
[09:19] <Mamarok> ads: there should be no big problems
[09:19] <ads> kaddi: same for me, i think. Backup takes a day ...
[09:19] <Mamarok> but a good idea is to use a separate partition for your /home, so you ca do a fresh install very easily
[09:19] <Mamarok> can* do
[09:20] <ads> Mamarok: this laptop has a full encrypted harddisk, so i need a full backup anyway.
[09:20] <Mamarok> ads: yes, then you have no other choice
[09:21] <ads> question is, if i use the following weekend or the weekend after
[09:22] <floown> hello
[09:22] <ForgeAus> ok well nowerdays its metacity + maximus, formerly was Matchbox + Hildon
[09:22] <ForgeAus> sorry, lol old convo
[09:22] <ForgeAus> was looking for the name Hildon, took till now to find it!
[09:23] <oxymoron> Mamarok: "kstartupconfig4 does not exist or failed. The error code is 3. Check your install" That started to happen after I installed my /home partition on a new partition and mounted it, weird? :S
[09:23] <syon> ForgeAus: interesting!
[09:24] <floown> I have upgrade too Lucid, quite perfect. The only things I have to notice is the ugly boot. How can I change the resolution for grub?
[09:24] <Mamarok> oxymoron: did you create the partition and then moved afterwards? That's not really a good idea, you should backup your /home and restor it on the new partition
[09:24] <ForgeAus> actually its not the netbook edition its the mobile remix... hmmm... maybe I got it confused...
[09:25] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: Hildon was a mobile phone desktop, not a netbook one
[09:25] <ForgeAus> kde also has a mobile desktop too, I wonder if its related to its netbook desktop?
[09:25] <oxymoron> Mamarok: No, I created my partition before a clean install of Kubuntu 10.04 LTS and then choosed it for my /home folder.
[09:25] <ForgeAus> Mamarok:  yeah, I just noticed that...
[09:25] <Mamarok> oxymoron: that should work out of the box though
[09:26] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I guess it'ŝ not related to the separate partition, but something went wrong with your installation
[09:26] <ForgeAus> so the diff is Hildon (for mobile) vs Maximus (for netbook)?
[09:26] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: I don't know about the Gnome netbook, I only know that Hildon is the maemo desktop for mobile devices
[09:26] <Mamarok> actually, was, it's quite old already
[09:27] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Then another annoying problem. If I dont activate proprietary nvidia driver then I cannot activate desktop effects and use OpenGL for Cairo Dock (Required for transparency), but IF I do then plymouth resolution of logo and everything is going blurry and noisy, that didnt happen before when nouveau took care of my resolution and all.
[09:27] <ForgeAus> yeah well its not gnome, its hildon, but Ubuntu used it for its mobile (and yes it is what maemo uses... )
[09:27] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I don't have a NIVDIA card, no problem here iwth the free Radeon driver on ATI
[09:27] <ForgeAus> I don't know what Kubuntu mobile (if there is such a thing) uses...
[09:27] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: maemo's Hildon is Gnome based, actually GPE based
[09:28] <oxymoron> Mamarok: There have been problem with nVidia since I dont know in 10.04 from alpha un upstreams.
[09:28] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: MeeGo I guess? So far there is no mobile version for KDE
[09:28] <ForgeAus> Mamarok:  IC, thats probably why Ubuntu used it for its mobile vers since its Gnome based...
[09:28] <Mamarok> oxymoron: I know why I avoid NVIDIA since quite some time :)
[09:29] <oxymoron> Mamarok: I know why I avoided ATI for quite some time xD And this wasnt the case :D
[09:30] <ForgeAus> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?action=content&content=98312&PHPSESSID=cae ???
[09:30] <Mamarok> oxymoron: file a bug, not much I can do about that
[09:30] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: what is this about?
[09:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Youre just lucky because ATI choosed OpenSOurce and the team took care of the drivers fast xD And you should actually thank nVidia for that, I dont think ATI would go OpenSOurce if they didnt feel like they were going under, which they almost did.
[09:31] <ForgeAus> Mamarok: I dunno just... looking... learning, you know.. general knowledge I guess
[09:31] <Brick> Guys how is the new Lucid.. is nepomuk a pain .. i have heard it would be enabled by default... and it is actually a huge resource sucker
[09:31] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: have you seen the date? Also, this is by no means official, and it's apparently still Qt3, so totally obsolete anyway
[09:31] <oxymoron> Mamarok: And its not quite a bug, its a nvidia driver issue xD
[09:32] <Mamarok> oxymoron: which is a bug, or how else would you call that?
[09:32] <Mamarok> Brick: well, then just disable it
[09:32] <syon> Mamarok: You can't
[09:32] <Mamarok> if you don't rely on filtering by tags you don't need it anyway
[09:32] <syon> If you want to use KMail etc.
[09:32] <oxymoron> Mamarok: Incompetent programmers on nVidia team? :D
[09:32] <Mamarok> syon: rubbish, that is Akonadi, he is talking about Nepomuk
[09:32] <Brick> Mamarok: but is it really a resource hog in lucid too
[09:33] <syon> Mamarok: Isn't that the same? Or at least intertwined?
[09:33] <Mamarok> syon: Kontact needs Akonadi, not Nepomuk which is the Semantic Desktop
[09:33] <Mamarok> syon: not at all, Akonadi is the underlying database structure
[09:33] <Brick> syon: thanks but nepomuk and akonadi are nowhere related
[09:33] <Mamarok> Brick: as I said, don't activate it then
[09:34] <Mamarok> unless you want to be able to filter by tags, then you need it
[09:34] <Mamarok> but I bet you don't have tagged your text files yet :)
[09:34] <Brick> Mamarok: cool .... i asked "is it? " and not" it is?"
[09:35] <Mamarok> Brick: yes it is, since it needs to index files to be useable
[09:35] <Mamarok> so either you reduce the number of files it indexes, which makes it pointless, or you live with the ressource drwaback, or you disable it
[09:35] <Brick> guys also please suggest me a cool efficient netbook.. I was thing of vaio but it is just not great and I seriously dont know if Kubuntu will work on it
[09:36] <Brick> Thanks Mamarok:
[09:36] <Mamarok> Brick: there is a Netbook edition for kubuntu
[09:36] <Mamarok> don't expect a netbook to run a full fledged KDE, netbooks are not as powerfull as a laptop
[09:36] <Brick> I know not the right forum to ask but still what would be a good netbook to have
[09:36] <Mamarok> if you want power, don't buy a netbook
[09:37] <syon> Mamarok: I remember I had to enable Nepomuk for sth when upgrading to the latest KDE PPA on 9.10
[09:37] <Mamarok> syon: certainbly not
[09:37] <Mamarok> -b
[09:37] <syon> Mamarok: well the whole thing was a pain. maybe I superflously activated it.
[09:38] <Brick> syon: noo not possible.. i did upgrade to kde 4.4.2 from karmic and no no nepomuk was needed.. i tried activating it once but it was like eating up the entire thing..
[09:38] <Brick> Mamarok: ok so what would be the most pwerful netbook.. although not the right forum to ask
[09:38] <syon> folks, just one fact. I just checked: it was activated. and I did not do it because i was a semantic desktopper ;-)
[09:39] <syon> well, maybe I felt lucky the other day :-)
[09:39] <Brick> syon: I give up...!
[09:39] <Brick> :-)
[09:39] <syon> Brick: With what?
[09:40] <Brick> syon: sorry multitasking error.. it was supposed to be typed elsewhere
[09:40] <Mamarok> Brick: indeed, this is not the right channel to ask for hardware
[09:40] <syon> Brick: No worries.
[09:41] <Brick> Mamarok: come one where else could i find the best geeks on earth , about a great netbook to run my Kubuntu(so does that make it seem like a Kubuntu question now.. i guess yes)
[09:41] <Mamarok> I no nothing about netbooks, but there are a lot of review sites out there, did you Google for it?
[09:42] <Brick> yes i did and no nothing much around...! by the way how is this new memenu thing
[09:42] <Brick> does gwibber run it here too or do we have choqok here
[09:43] <syon> Brick: As a sidenote: The slightly larger non-netbooks with VIA Nano and AMD CPUs have more power, maybe supporting a better KDE feel.
[09:43] <FinnArild> so I read something about the KDE screenblanker being gone from 10.04 - does this mean I loose my beloved ascii-aquarium?
[09:43] <Brick> syon: thanks will check that out
[09:44] <Mamarok> Brick: KDE uses Choqok
[09:44] <FinnArild> Also - one of the things reported missing was bluetooth - does this mean I will be in bluetooth keyboard/mouse hell again?
[09:44] <Brick> so you mean to say memenu in kde uses choqok Mamarok:
[09:44] <Mamarok> FinnArild: it's just not on the CD, you can still isntall it kscreensaver and kscreensaver-extras
[09:44] <FinnArild> Mamarok: I update online
[09:44] <Mamarok> Brick: memenu would be what? The microblogging client is Choqok
[09:45] <FinnArild> CD is SO 1998
[09:45] <oxymoron> Mamarok: This is weird, if I enable XRender instead of OpenGL everything works. But with OpenGL in system settings => desktop => advanced I cannot enable composite xD
[09:45] <Mamarok> FinnArild: well, you need it for a fresh install, that or a USB stick
[09:45] <Brick> FinnArild: and then you can feed all the fish there and possibly i can feed on them too
[09:45] <FinnArild> Mamarok: usb stick - now we're into this century, at least :)
[09:46] <Brick> now listening to mamarok's answer.. do we have something called the memenu in Kubuntu 10.04 like that in Gnome(Ubuntu)
[09:46] <syon> FinnArild: Asciiaquarium is amazing, didn't know about it.
[09:47] <Mamarok> Brick: what is the memenu in the first place? I never use Gnome, how am I suppoed to know what you are talking about?
[09:47] <Brick> syon: so you too are getting some fish fries for me
[09:47] <syon> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeMenu
[09:48] <Mamarok> Brick: there is a Semantivc Desktop plasma widget
[09:48] <Brick> Mamarok: you never told me you never used Gnome , so how was i supposed to know you never knew about it....yes that link from syon: just might help you a little
[09:48] <Brick> Semantic Desktop plasma widget.. what is that
[09:49] <FinnArild> syon: so - now update finished, I get to the login screen - and it tries to log in, crashes and presents me with the login screen again.
[09:49] <Brick> syon: do we have it in kubuntu the memenu
[09:49] <FinnArild> syon: which logfile to check this time?
[09:49] <FinnArild> syon: (nvidia seems to work fine)
[09:49] <Mamarok> Brick: no, memenu is not needed, did you read what I told you?
[09:49] <Mamarok> it's called openDesktop
[09:50] <Brick> Mamarok: what has open desktop got to do with memenu
[09:50] <Mamarok> *sigh*
[09:50] <Mamarok> Brick: do you really want to use KDE?
[09:51] <Mamarok> check that widget out first
[09:51] <Brick> Mamarok: how old are you... you get tired so soon :-).. relax dude checking
[09:52] <syon> FinnArild: Mhmhm, that is very odd.
[09:52] <syon> FinnArild: I'd suggest to keep checking the Xorg.0.log
[09:52] <Mamarok> Brick: you are asking questions about Gnome stuff in a KDE related channel, that's the point
[09:52] <syon> but maybe this time the older one, I assume your Xserver is crashing after login
[09:52] <Mamarok> so if you want to use KDE, don't expect Gnome applications
[09:53] <FinnArild> syon: I'll tail -f it while logging in
[09:53] <syon> ok
[09:53] <syon> FinnArild: Anything interesting?
[09:54] <FinnArild> syon: not anything that pops out;: http://pastebin.com/Pum9yqvU
[09:54] <Brick> Mamarok: there is a difference between features and applicatiions...this memenu was designed by mark shuttleworth himself and Yes i would love to have that feature in KDE too .. and if you dont know please let others answer
[09:55] <FinnArild> syon: I have a feeling this is in KDE
[09:55] <FinnArild> s/in/with/
[09:55] <SandGorgon> in KDE 4.4.2 on Kubuntu 10.04, I see that almost every app throws this error on the cmdline (http://paste.ubuntu.com/425112/). is there something wrong with my install ?
[09:56] <Ender2070> the memenu is a gnome turd
[09:56] <Ender2070> go ask in #ubuntu
[09:56] <Mamarok> Brick: did you try to install it?
[09:56] <FinnArild> ... tailing kdm.log
[09:56] <Mamarok> and wether it is designed by god himself or not, it is a Gnome app
[09:57] <FinnArild> oook
[09:57] <Mamarok> also, since there are apparently no packages for it, I guess it doesn't even exist yet
[09:57] <Brick> Ender2070: would be great if you could say cheese and not interfere if you dont want to answer.. and yes you can leave the channel toooooooooo
[09:57] <FinnArild> so now I got some errors, just not sure what they mean: http://pastebin.com/kipaYhSV
[09:58] <Brick> Exactly Mamrok: finally you answered what i wanted to know
[09:58] <Mamarok> Brick: you should maybe rethink that you are in a KDE related channel, so asking about theoretical Gnome apps is not the right place
[09:58] <Brick> why
[09:58] <Mamarok> Brick: also insulting others is not the right way to start with, seriously
[09:59] <FinnArild> besides, Gnome sucks ...
[09:59] <Mamarok> FinnArild: behave :)
[09:59] <FinnArild> .oO(was that out loud?)
[09:59] <Ender2070> Qt apps > gtk apps
[09:59] <Mamarok> OK folks, this is a support channel, not about what is better or worse, please remember that :)
[09:59] <Brick> i guess good things should be learnt  although i too agree that gnome sucks
[10:00] <mavallad> Does someone know how to get the win key mapped?
[10:00] <FinnArild> ... so - what is ibus anyway?
[10:00] <Mamarok> Brick: for off topic discussions like that I suggest #kubuntu-offtopic
[10:00] <Bucky> hingo, i'm trying to switch from ubuntu to kubuntu
[10:00] <Mamarok> Bucky: install the kubuntu-desktop package is a good start
[10:00] <Bucky> but basically i don't know anything about kde!
[10:01] <Mamarok> Bucky: well, what do you want to know?
[10:01] <Brick> Mamarok: I appreciate your suggestion  but did i ask you to discuss this with me
[10:01] <Mamarok> Brick: please stay on topic
[10:01] <Brick> lol
[10:01] <Bucky> where i can get some info? for example:
[10:01] <Brick> @Mamarok:
[10:02] <Bucky> what is nepomuki? and akonadi??
[10:02] <Mamarok> Bucky: your example?
[10:02] <Mamarok> what exactly do you wnat to know?
[10:02] <Mamarok> want*
[10:02] <Bucky> what those 2 name means?
[10:03] <Mamarok> Bucky: Akonadi is the underlying database structure, used by Kontact mostly
[10:03] <Bucky> which is the equivalent of synaptic?
[10:03] <Mamarok> and Kontact is the PIM suite for KDE
[10:03] <FinnArild> do you think an "apt-get autoremove" and a reboot possibly could help?
[10:03] <Mamarok> Bucky: in the system settings, you have the option "Add/Remove software" for package isntallation
[10:03]  * FinnArild afks a bit
[10:04] <Mamarok> Bucky: Nepomuk is the base structure for the semantic desktop, used to creat an index allowing you to search by tags, not only by text or file names
[10:04] <syon> FinnArild: Could you start a different session?
[10:05] <Bucky> Mamarok, so they aren't run by the user, they are just a layer... right?
[10:06] <Mamarok> Bucky: indeed
[10:06] <Mamarok> if you don't use the Semantic Desktop though you should consider turning Nepomuk off, as it is using a lot of ressources
[10:06] <neure> VMware Easy Install
[10:06] <neure> hmm
[10:06] <neure> nice
[10:07] <Bucky> is possible to import mail and contacts from thunderbird to kmail?
[10:07] <syon> Bucky: http://nepomuk.kde.org/ and http://pim.kde.org/akonadi/
[10:07] <Mamarok> syon: I already asnwered that, no?
[10:08] <neure> what tools there are to make kde application user interfaces?
[10:08] <Mamarok> Bucky: you should have a look at http://userbase.kde.org
[10:08] <Brick> sorry guys am back!
[10:09] <neure> hmm
[10:10] <neure> now i got a black screen :/
[10:10] <neure> anyone else installed kubuntu to vmware?
[10:11] <GNU\colossus> use a better hypervisor
[10:11] <Ender2070> yeah
[10:11] <GNU\colossus> both virtualbox and qemu work fine
[10:11] <neure> better?
[10:11] <Ender2070> kvm +1
[10:11] <neure> virtualbox gave me bluescreens last time i tried it
[10:11] <neure> i wasnt impressed
[10:11] <Ender2070> bluescreens? get off windows
[10:12] <GNU\colossus> yeah, well, blame the inferior Host-OS then ;)
[10:12] <neure> :D
[10:12] <Brick> ya get off windows your bluescreens would go..lol
[10:13] <Bucky> Mamarok, thanks for the suggestions
[10:13] <Bucky> bye!
[10:13] <Mamarok> Bucky: you are welcome :)
[10:14] <neure> wtf
[10:14] <neure> after ctrl-alt-del i was able to boot to login
[10:14] <neure> but keyboard is not working :D
[10:14] <ubuntu> hey im about to install kubuntu right now and i want to decrypt my whole device with aes . have made  already this commands but there is always an error with the dm tables http://nopaste.info/8cfea8d6f9.html
[10:15] <cv> how about kubuntu 10.04?
[10:15] <cv> is it really good?
[10:15] <BiggFREE> bbl
[10:15] <BiggFREE> tc
[10:16] <Mamarok> cv: what a strange question :)
[10:16] <Mamarok> of course it is, else I wouldn't use it ;)
[10:16] <cv> i've just join ubuntu community
[10:16] <neure> hmm
[10:16] <Brick> cv:It is good.. use a live cd . check out .. if you like it .. go ahead
[10:16] <cv> i have little exp
[10:16] <ubuntu> someone maybe an idea?
[10:16] <neure> if i get to console login, keyboard works
[10:16] <neure> how do i get back to graphical login from console login?
[10:17] <ubuntu> strg + alt+ f7
[10:18] <cv> can i have the application launcher as ubuntu in kubuntu?
[10:18] <neure> keyboard still not working :/
[10:19] <Brick> cv:hmmm i guess you wont need to have it as that in gnome.. the K menu is actually cooler and yes you can modify it as you want it
[10:19] <Brick> cv: well i suggest you have a look at the live cd first .. if you are totally new to it
[10:19] <neure> lets see if vmwares virtual keyboard can help at all.. :D
[10:19] <syon> Mamarok: I just thought that links to the upstream projects with loads of text, graphics and further reading might be helpful.
[10:20] <syon> Mamarok: Think of it as an addition to your helpful one liner.
[10:20] <Mamarok> syon: well, I guess http://userbase.kde.org is a better link then, since Nepomuk's website is not exactly helpful
[10:20] <Mamarok> cv: there is a widget called launcher you can add to the panel or the desktop
[10:21] <Mamarok> cv: else there is krunner: Alt+F2, then type the name of the app or the function you are looking for
[10:21] <cv> i know about them
[10:22] <Mamarok> cv: but you should have a look at the userbase.kde.org website, everything is explained there
[10:22] <cv> ok
[10:22] <cv> i'll do it
[10:22] <cv> tks
[10:22] <cv> :)
[10:22] <Mamarok> cv: you are welcome :)
[10:25] <syon> Mamarok: IC. Didn't know about that one.
[10:28] <Brick> bye guys got to go.....
[10:34] <ubuntu> can someone take a look at this? i have an problem while setting up an crypted install http://paste.ubuntu.com/425139/
[10:35] <ubuntu> cryptsetup luksOpen /dev/sda3 root  works fine but then comes the error ....
[10:47] <Clown_Knife> hey all
[10:47] <kieren> Hey, I KDevelop doesn't seem to be in the repositories for 10.04. Do I need to build it myself?
[10:48] <Mamarok> kieren: it is in a PPA, let me check which one
[10:49] <Mamarok> kieren: have a look here: http://www.kubuntu.org/news/kdevelop-beta-9
[10:50] <kieren> Thanks
[10:50] <Mamarok> kieren: you are welcome :)
[10:52] <siriox> hi
[10:53] <Tesssa> upgraded to 10.4 installed Wine is a beta version of wine loaded corel printhouse magic.worked og in 9.10 not in 10.4 any advise
[10:53] <kieren> Tesssa: any error messages?
[10:53] <Tesssa> no
[10:54] <kieren> What happens when you try to run it?
[10:54] <Tesssa> it loads ok
[10:54] <Tesssa> but try to open corel it wo'nt
[10:55] <Tesssa> the corel logo comes on but then corel shuts down
[10:57] <caris_mere> with the new netbook edition, how do you make columns in the newspaper view? I only have one, but want 2
[10:58] <||arifaX> how can I use polkit with kde or command line, what is the command?
[10:59] <kieren> man polkit?
[11:00] <kieren> http://linux.die.net/man/1/polkit-auth
[11:00] <kieren> http://linux.die.net/man/1/polkit-action
[11:00] <Mamarok> ||else have a look at the system settins -Advanced tab, there is a GUI frontend for it
[11:00] <ZeDeun> Bonjour
[11:01] <NermaN> Hi all
[11:01] <Mamarok> !fr | ZeDeun
[11:01] <eagles0513875> hey guys :)
[11:01] <NermaN> please help me, kubuntu 10.04 show black screen (no signal) on my pc after boot
[11:02] <Ender2070> NermaN - is your pc plugged in?
[11:02] <ZeDeun> Sorry.... hi. I will try to connect to the french speaking server but anyway I may need your help.... Am I welcome for that ?
[11:02] <Mamarok> Ender2070: ...
[11:02] <Mahara> NermaN: You just installed it and rebooted the system ?
[11:02] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: yes, no problem, as long as you keep it in English :)
[11:02] <Mahara> ZeDeun: If you speak english, yes
[11:02] <NermaN> No i run install from disk
[11:03] <NermaN> I have not tried to run Linux after changing video card
[11:03] <Mahara> NermaN: Yes, you runned install from disk, and everything wen't fine during installation?
[11:03] <Mahara> *went
[11:03] <NermaN> installation dont start
[11:03] <Mamarok> NermaN: so you did hardware changes after the installation?
[11:03] <NermaN> no
[11:03] <NermaN> i cannot install
[11:04] <Mamarok> can you run the Live CD?
[11:04] <NermaN> no
[11:04] <NermaN> black screen
[11:04] <Mamarok> NermaN: maybe try another CD then, it might be faultxy
[11:04] <Mamarok> faulty*
[11:04] <||arifaX> kieren: that does not help. I want to allow my user to create system wide connections in knetwork-manager and thererfor afaik I have to do something like polkit-auth --grant org.freedesktop.network-manager-settings.system.modifiy --user "username"
[11:04] <NermaN> all good with cd
[11:04] <Mahara> NermaN: Have you verified the .iso for with md5sum ? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[11:04] <Tesssa> so any help with 10.4. Wine beta version and corel draw
[11:04] <Ender2070> nerman - you said you got a new video card, did you plug the monitor back in?
[11:04] <NermaN> yes
[11:04] <Mamarok> ||arifaX: have a look at the GUI frontend in the System Settings then
[11:05] <NermaN> i hear sound of kde starting
[11:05] <ZeDeun> Thanks. So, I ahve a stange problem with my sound card : Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01). I can play sounds with firfox and windows (via virtualbox). However, any trial with a KDE aplication krsh it straightforward. Strange isn't it ?
[11:05] <Ender2070> does your monitor have linux drivers?
[11:05] <NermaN> monitor do not require that
[11:05] <Ender2070> whats the word
[11:06] <NermaN> on previous video card everything worked
[11:06] <Mamarok> no, indeed
[11:06] <Ender2070> graphics chip
[11:06] <Mahara> NermaN: Please check the md5sum of the .iso or CD
[11:06] <NermaN> HD5770
[11:06] <Mamarok> NermaN: well, what Video card did you install? Also, did you try running the live CD after that hardware change?
[11:07] <Mamarok> and yes, check the md5sum of the CD iso
[11:07] <Mahara> ZeDeun: You hear the sound when Kubuntu is starting up ?
[11:07] <NermaN> Mamarok: already checked
[11:07] <SkEmO> ahhhhhhhhhhh
[11:07] <SkEmO> i get error 1
[11:07] <SkEmO> again
[11:07] <Mamarok> SkEmO: behave!
[11:07] <SkEmO> damn it!
[11:08] <SkEmO> Mamarok:  uh?
[11:08] <Mamarok> !language | SkEmO
[11:08] <ZeDeun> Mahara : No. Nothing. When I lunch Amarok, it krash. The same for the System config/Multimedia.
[11:08] <Mamarok> SkEmO: no swearing here, please
[11:08] <SkEmO> lol what did i do?
[11:08] <Torch> Tesssa: it's not unusual that support for a specific application breaks from one wine version to the next
[11:08] <Mahara> ZeDeun: Do you receive some kind of errors message ? or it just crashed without a warning, like Error encounter etc.
[11:09] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: whihc phonon backend do you use? And if Amarok crashes, do you get a backtrace? Else you should install the amarok-dbg package and try again, might not be sound related
[11:09] <Tesssa> i had a similar problem to Nerman i reloaded 9.10 and then upgraded to 10.4 and it works ok
[11:09] <Tesssa> ok thanks Torch
[11:09] <NermaN> I have long been used 9.04 with 8800GT, then I bought a hd5770 and install driver, everything worked fine, but after upgrading to 10.04 Linux completely broke and I deleted it for reinstall.
[11:09] <SkEmO> does any version of linux supports soft buttons?
[11:10] <NermaN> And now i cannot run installation
[11:10] <Mamarok> define soft buttons?
[11:10] <Ender2070> Skemo - 2.6.35
[11:10] <Mahara> NermaN: You should first remove the driver for the old card and also the new card, and try installing again within 10.04
[11:10] <Mamarok> Ender2070: try tab completion, else he is not highlighted
[11:10] <NermaN> Tesssa: thanks i will tru
[11:10] <SkEmO> Mamarok:  my laptop has the wifi and bluetooth buttons, that i need to press to activate them, but i've tried all versions prior to 9.10, and non of them seem to be compatible
[11:10] <theuros1> is there a way to have gnome and kde together without mixing up applications between them ? .. i installed kde but i hate that all kde programs are visibler in gnome and vice versa
[11:10] <ZeDeun> Mahara : 5how do you get this color background ? ) No only krash report about segmentation fault. I coould send it to you but I think it might be too much text on this chat.
[11:10] <NermaN> Mahara: Live CD dont run
[11:11] <SkEmO> meaning, i cant use the wifi
[11:11] <Ender2070> SkEmO: 2.6.35
[11:11] <NermaN> and installation dont run
[11:11] <SkEmO> I see
[11:11] <Torch> theuros1: that is per design.
[11:11] <Mamarok> OK, food time, laters
[11:11] <NermaN> where i must delete driver?
[11:11] <Tesssa> your welcome Nerman
[11:11] <Tesssa> hope it helps
[11:11] <Mahara> NermaN: Try Ubuntu maybe it will work..
[11:12] <Guest69464> how could i redirect output of command to variable
[11:12] <SkEmO> *sigh* i cant update to 10.4, keeps saying i need more space, and i have 12 gb of free space
[11:12] <SkEmO> :(
[11:12] <Mahara> Guest69464: test=`comand`
[11:12] <Mahara> Guest69464: use backticks
[11:13] <spirov92> hi, I'm considering upgrading to 10.04,  is the upgrade procedure good? I wouldn't want to spend the weekend fixing a broken system :)
[11:13] <Mahara> Guest69464: or test=$(command)
[11:13] <theuros1> Torch ... what you mean ?
[11:14] <Torch> theuros1: the kickoff menu in KDE will show installed applications, no matter if they are gnome or a kde apps. this is how it is meant to be.
[11:14] <Mahara> ZeDeun: use paste.ubuntu.com for the error report
[11:15] <ZeDeun> spirov 92 : I had tried it this morning, it was working fine until it said I need 1go on /var end about 4Go on /usr
[11:16] <Guest69464> Mahara: i did        var= $(kdialog --menu "Select a option" 1 "Start" d "Stop" m "Usage" ) but it doesn't work
[11:17] <Torch> Guest69464: works for me
[11:17] <theuros1> is there a way to move all kde app in some submenu names KDE ?  in gnome i mean ... and in kde to move all gnome app in some other submenu ?
[11:17] <Torch> theuros1: no.
[11:18] <ZeDeun> Mahara : Thanks for your answer. I do not the use of these things.... where and when or from which application can i send this command ? I did from konqueror and worked, is that correct ?
[11:19] <Mahara> ZeDeun: You said that when you start Amarok it crashes, I'm a corectly? If so report the bug and when you arrive at the step where you see the backtrace log copy/paste it to paste.ubuntu.com and post the link here
[11:20] <Mahara> ZeDeun: Don't actually send the bug the tracker just copy the backtrace
[11:20] <ZeDeun> All right.
[11:21] <Guest69464> Torch: do u know how to use kdialog to get menuentry in variable
[11:21] <Torch> Guest69464: the code you pasted is correct
[11:23] <ZeDeun> Mahara : I have to install the debug package. I will come back later on that topic. I have another one....
[11:25] <Guest69464> Torch:  but it gives me error that                          ./2.sh: line 4: 1: command not found            where 2 is name of my script and this command is at line 4
[11:25] <Torch> Guest69464: remove the space after the '='
[11:25] <eagles0513875> !paste | Guest69464
[11:25] <ZeDeun> I had install LVM and use it. I did a resize of one lv. Worked fine. I did it on kubuntu and Fedora. In both case, the kernel seems to not recognise the new size of the disk. My kernel is this one :2.6.31-20-generic
[11:25] <ZeDeun>  
[11:25] <eagles0513875> ^ so you dont spam urself outa the channel Guest69464
[11:26] <||arifaX> why can knetworkmanager still not work with vpnc and openvpn? -its a shame
[11:26] <Guest69464> Torch: thankx
[11:26] <ZeDeun> Mahara : have a look here I think I did it with multimedia configuration system : http://paste.ubuntu.com/425160/
[11:27] <seicherlbob> Hi there! I'm having troubles with my nouveau driver. It freezed the Xserver. It pretty the same as described in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-nouveau/+bug/553789. My question is: as this bug seems to be unresolved, can i install the proprietary driver to circumvent the problem for now?
[11:27] <Guest48319> xxx
[11:27] <Guest48319> xxx
[11:27] <Guest48319> xxx
[11:27] <FloodBotK1> Guest48319: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:27] <spirov92> lol it's interesting to see the download eta...10 hours/30 mins/7 hours...
[11:28] <Guest48319> hello   guys
[11:28] <Guest48319> I am here
[11:28] <Torch> seicherlbob: sure, why not?
[11:28] <Guest48319> guuuuuys
[11:28] <Guest48319> pay me attantion
[11:28] <seicherlbob> Torch: dont know. I used to have ATI cards for the last... ever!
[11:28] <spirov92> Guest48319: yes?
[11:28] <Guest48319> install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[11:28] <eagles0513875> !help | Guest48319
[11:28] <Guest48319> I download --- I seem that I download this file  install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[11:28] <Torch> seicherlbob: if you have an nvidia card that is supported by their proprietary driver, you can install the driver.
[11:29] <spirov92> Guest48319: why not install the package?
[11:29] <Guest48319> how?
[11:29] <spirov92> I mean, it's available in repositories
[11:29] <Guest48319> how to instaalll it???
[11:29] <Guest48319> downloads$ install_flash_player_10_linux.deb
[11:29] <Guest48319> bash: install_flash_player_10_linux.deb: команда не найдена
[11:29] <seicherlbob> Torch: ok thanks, i'll see if i can make it. It su**s when your production computer hangs every 20 minutes or so ;)
[11:30] <Mamarok> Guest48319: behave!
[11:30] <Guest48319> ????
[11:30] <Mamarok> Guest48319: activate the restricted repositories and get it from there
[11:30] <spirov92> Guest48319: you could just click on it in dolphin :) not sure about the command, but google knows for sure
[11:30] <Mamarok> else, to install a deb file, it's sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:31] <Guest48319> E: Для пакета flashplayer-mozilla NOT FOUND
[11:31] <Guest48319> $ sudo apt-get install flashplayer-mozilla
[11:31] <Guest48319> NOT FOUND
[11:31] <ubuntu___> Kubuntu-10.04 does not show any partitions during installation setup...
[11:31] <Mamarok> !ru | Guest48319
[11:31] <ubuntu___> On Disk setup window, there are no list of partitions
[11:31] <ubuntu___> :-(
[11:32] <Mamarok> the package name is not flashplayer-mozilla
[11:32] <Mamarok> Guest48319: the package name is flashplugin-iunstaller
[11:32] <Mamarok> installer*
[11:33] <Mahara> ZeDeun: The backtrace is not of much use; So you did a fresh install of Kubuntu 10.04 and only Firefox and some other apps have sound? Have you verified the .iso with md5sum before burning to a CD and installing? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[11:33] <ubuntu___> Seems to be one of the terrible in the history.
[11:33] <Guest48319> $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[11:33] <Guest48319> not found
[11:33] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: could you give me the URL for the backtrace you got? Make sure you have amarok-dbg installed
[11:34] <Mahara> Guest48319: what architecture are you using? trype in a terminal : uname -m
[11:34] <Mahara> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425160/
[11:34] <Guest48319> $ uname -m
[11:34] <Guest48319> i686
[11:34] <Torch> ZeDeun: you need to install debug packages or the backtrace is pointless
[11:34] <Mahara> Mamarok: this is for System Settings->Multimedia
[11:34] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: please install te phonon-dbg package, this seems to be a backend problem with phonon
[11:34] <Guest48319> kubuntu-8
[11:34] <Mamarok> that should give you a better backtrace
[11:35] <Mamarok> Guest48319: you use Kubuntu 8.04 or 8.10?
[11:35] <Mamarok> Guest48319: those are not supported anymore
[11:35] <Guest48319> I do not know
[11:35] <Mahara> Guest48319: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/flash
[11:35] <Guest48319> I use XP and Kubuntu with XP loader
[11:36] <Mahara> Guest48319: cat /etc/lsb-release
[11:36] <Guest48319> Kubuntu 9 is not installed under XP!!! and I use 8!
[11:36] <Guest48319> $ cat /etc/lsb-release
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_ID=Ubuntu
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_RELEASE=8.04
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_CODENAME=hardy
[11:36] <Guest48319> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 8.04.4 LTS"
[11:36] <FloodBotK1> Guest48319: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:37] <Torch> ...
[11:37] <seicherlbob> Can someone with nvidia driver experience confirm what i found in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/548362 and tell me, what driver i shall use if nouveau is broken for me aswell?
[11:37] <Mamarok> mahaou should tell him to use a pastebin before asking such commands...
[11:37] <Guest48319> Mamarok what?
[11:37] <ZeDeun> No no the fresh install did not work due to a lake of disk space. I am still running 9.10, upgraded with apt-get. Sorry I will not install that dbg package now because it takes some of my qupotas 5I am connecting via satellite and it is verry expensive). But I will do it around the 20th May.
[11:37] <Torch> seicherlbob: why can't you just install the restricted driver?
[11:38] <Guest48319> $ make adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm
[11:38] <Guest48319> make: Цель `adobe-release-i386-1.0-1.noarch.rpm' не требует выполнения команд.
[11:38] <Mamarok> Guest48319: you are using an outdated version, you should upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04, 8.04 is not supported anymore since quite some time
[11:38] <seicherlbob> Torch: because i found that bug report about the nvidia-current package
[11:38] <ZeDeun> Tahnks a lot Mahara. Any idea to solve ny problem of LVM ?
[11:38] <Mamarok> Guest48319: your commands make no sense
[11:38] <eagles0513875> Guest48319: what language do you speak?
[11:39] <Guest48319> how to upgrade to Kubuntu 10.04???? without downloading disc of 10version  and without reinstalling all system?
[11:39] <Torch> seicherlbob: do you have two cards? do you run that kernel? why would you download the driver from nvidia.com?
[11:39] <Torch> seicherlbob: forget that bug report.
[11:39] <Mamarok> Guest38843: well, there is no direct upgrade from 8.04 possible
[11:39] <ubuntu> Life got worse when installing kubuntu through usb stick...
[11:40] <seicherlbob> Torch: damn, sorry. I didnt read about the two cards thing. my mistake
[11:40] <ubuntu> During installation process, it does not show any partitions = No further installation.
[11:40] <ZeDeun> Guest4831 : The system will ask you automatically if you want to. But anyway, I guess that if you want a new system, it is worth dowloading it.
[11:40] <eagles0513875> ubuntu: when it came to choosing partition format did you choose manual
[11:41] <seicherlbob> Torch: I'm just a bit ... pissed already, because the nouveau driver drived me crazy the last week
[11:41] <Mamarok> ZeDeun: no, not from 8.04, too old nad outdated, the Kubuntu version was never LTS
[11:41] <AssGuest> eagles0513875   russian    but I was bunned on ru-kubuntu many time ago
[11:41] <ubuntu> I have no choice in Kubuntu, on partition it does not show anything even though fdisk -l does all the paritions.
[11:42] <ZeDeun> Mamarok : Yes you are right I did not notice he was still running a 8.04. Next time I'll shut up.
[11:42] <Mamarok> ubuntu: did you choose the manaul partitioning?
[11:42] <Mamarok> manual*
[11:43] <ubuntu> On kubuntu-10.04 there is no option for manual or automatic partitioning...
[11:43] <Traveler243423> test
[11:43] <ganesh_> I preapared one script and i want to put shortcut for it in panel how could i do this? I have made shortcut on desktop but i am not able to add it in panel.
[11:43] <AssGuest> how to get new flash-payer in my firefox????    I want to use one application that needs last 10 version of flash.... if I understand this application right
[11:44] <ubuntu> The fourth step is 'Disk Setup' tab, with prepare partitions as title...on which there are no partitions listed.
[11:44] <seicherlbob> Torch: one last question: do i need to uninstall anything prior to installing nvidia-current?
[11:44] <AssGuest> http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/thankyou/?installer=Flash_Player_10_for_Linux_(YUM)
[11:44] <AssGuest> it is link from this application    that offer to install new flash
[11:44] <AssGuest> I downloaaad it but how to install?>????
[11:45] <Mamarok> AssGuest: I already told you so: sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:45] <AssGuest> Mamarok   sorry  I change my nickname
[11:45] <AssGuest> I did no see
[11:45] <Mamarok> but the new flash player will not help, your system is too old, you really should update to 10.04
[11:45] <ubuntu> So, I conclude this is worst (kubuntu) release of all the releases...
[11:46] <AssGuest> Mamarok ok
[11:46] <Mamarok> ubuntu: you are a bit fast with conclusions, did you see that the USB installer does not offer partitioning?
[11:46] <AssGuest> sudo dpkg -i *.deb   [11:46] <Mamarok> no, it is the installer
[11:46] <Mamarok> you did download the deb file already, no?
[11:47] <AssGuest> YES!!!!
[11:47] <Mamarok> AssGuest: but again, it will likely not work well, since you are using an outdated system
[11:47] <ForgeAus> ubuntu its not Kubuntu's fault its the installer that needs work by the sound of it...
[11:48] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu's OS isn't defined by its installer, however... it can be one important step to placing it on a PC
[11:48] <ubuntu> I can make a screenshot of it, but I do not know where to post it
[11:48] <AssGuest> Mamarok  !!!
[11:48] <AssGuest> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb
[11:48] <AssGuest> (Чтение базы данных... на данный момент установлено 127843 файлов и каталогов.)
[11:48] <AssGuest> Подготовка к замене пакета adobe-flashplugin 10.0.42.34-1 (используется файл install_flash_player_10_linux.deb)...
[11:48] <AssGuest> Распаковывается замена для пакета adobe-flashplugin ...
[11:48] <AssGuest> Настраивается пакет adobe-flashplugin (10.0.45.2-1) ...
[11:48] <FloodBotK1> AssGuest: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[11:48] <ZeDeun> See you guys and thanks for being here.
[11:49] <Mamarok> AssGuest: do not paste lines in the channel, send those to http://paste.ubuntu.com and give the URL
[11:49] <ForgeAus> you might want to let canonical or the developers know its a problem ubuntu...
[11:49] <AssGuest> Mamarok  installer gpkg  said that all is fine
[11:49] <AssGuest> adobe-flashplugin (10.0.45.2-1) ...
[11:49] <Mamarok> also I don't sepak russian, you should ask the ubuntu-ru people for help, there is a forum I think, no?
[11:49] <ForgeAus> btw.. apologies again Mamarok I didn't mean to offend.. (it was just something I thought you might enjoy seeing)
[11:49] <ubuntu> ForgeAus: I have a *.png file to post.
[11:49] <Mamarok> AssGuest: it's dpkg, not gpkg
[11:49] <Anubis> hi there. how can i kill this process: [kded4] <defunct>. i've tried kill -9 process id, but nothing happen
[11:50] <ubuntu> ForgeAus: where can I post it.
[11:50] <Mamarok> ForgeAus: nvm, I just don't want any PM messages I did not ask for
[11:50] <Anubis> this is a zombie process
[11:51] <ganesh_> anybody how to add shortcut to run script in panel??
[11:51] <ganesh_> i have made shortcut on desktop
[11:52] <Anubis> it happen after i upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04
[11:52] <AssGuest> $ sudo dpkg -i *.deb       this command say that all is fine and flash 10 is installeed from install_flash_player_10_linux.deb ..... but
[11:53] <AssGuest> when I click right button I see adobe 9 ?!!
[11:54] <karuru> hi i have a problem
[11:54] <karuru> my taskbar is divided into two parts
[11:54] <karuru> the left part is black and the right normal
[11:54] <karuru> yesterday it wasn't like this
[11:55] <karuru> i'm using the new kubuntu 10.04
[11:55] <AssGuest> is here guys who did not upgrade linux to 10 version
[11:55] <seicherlbob> do i need to uninstall anything prior to installing nvidia-current?
[11:55] <AssGuest> or I am alone who is old-trasher?
[11:59] <eirikb> How can I create a custom shortkey? I just want to press cltr+alt+t and get terminal (eventually other apps like ctrl+alt+f for firefox)
[12:00] <AssGuest> eirikb  hi
[12:00] <eirikb> AssGuest: Hey
[12:00] <AssGuest> eirikb how are you?
[12:00] <seicherlbob> eirikb: run khotkeys
[12:00] <AssGuest> eirikb )))   sorry   I want to talk
[12:01] <karuru> how to get my taskbar transparent? (kubuntu 10)
[12:01] <eirikb> seicherlbob: Works perfectly. Thanks
[12:02] <AssGuest> is here somebody     why installed NEW LINUX 10   under Windows XP???   just start disk with XP installer and install second OS - OS Linux 10 ????
[12:02] <eagles0513875> hey guys has anyone worked with Creative SoundBlaster 5.1VX soundcard before
[12:02] <seicherlbob> eirikb: you're welcome
[12:02] <eagles0513875> hey eirikb is everythign ok
[12:02] <AssGuest> NOT WHY - WHO!!!
[12:03] <AssGuest> ############# HOW!!!! HOW TO INSTALL NEW LINUX-10   Without destroying of MY bad-but necessory OS Windows XP? ###########
[12:04] <karuru> install kubuntu on a new partition ?
[12:04] <AssGuest> ONE DISK DRIVE!!  and logical 5 disks
[12:04] <AssGuest> HOW?
[12:04] <karuru> dont shout here
[12:04] <seicherlbob> AssGuest: As long as you have a spare partition or hdd, just boot from CD, install on that partition/drive
[12:05] <seicherlbob> AssGuest: IIRC there is even an option when it comes to partitioning "install beside other OS" or something similar
[12:05] <AssGuest> NEW 10 can be installet like 8???   I install without trubles my 8 version!!!!  BUT 9 version was not be installed like 8!!!
[12:05] <seicherlbob> karuru: I think you have to enable desktopeffects... but im not sure
[12:06] <karuru> i've enabled them already and installed the nvidia driver :/
[12:06] <kahuna> AssGuest: use PartedMagic to modify your partitions as you prefer. It's safer
[12:06] <karuru> but still no transparency
[12:06] <seicherlbob> karuru: nvidia-current?
[12:06] <karuru> yes
[12:06] <kahuna> karuru: did you rebooted?
[12:06] <AssGuest> Now I see that all guys tall me about 10!!!   But I use now 8 ((((((     I am not cool guy
[12:06] <seicherlbob> karuru: great, im doing it right now. did you have to unisntall anything before installing?
[12:06] <karuru> after the installation of the driver, yes
[12:07] <seicherlbob> karuru: ?
[12:07] <karuru> no
[12:07] <karuru> schleicherlbob: i didn't remove anything bevore i've installed the driver
[12:07] <seicherlbob> karuru: ah, sorry, that was a similar nickname writing aswell, hehe
[12:08] <karuru> all desktop effects are working but there is no transparancy in the taskbar
[12:08] <karuru> i cant find an option to enable it
[12:09] <mrafv> is anyone else having problems adding superkaramba widgets?
[12:09] <HuuGo> my kubuntu 10.04 boots to command line. I can start KDE with 'startkde' but keyboard and mouse won't work anymore. How to fix this?
[12:09] <AssGuest> FRIENDS!!!  or Frands )))       Somebody know programm that can make movie from images collection?  Like windows MovieMaker?
[12:10] <mrafv> I've installed plasma-scriptengine-superkaramba, run plasmapkg --type superkaramba --install against the widget and when i add it to the desktop it says: "Could not locate the sk_krel package required for the krel widget"
[12:10] <jussi> AssGuestCameBack: please change your nick to something more family friendly. andd you are looking for kdenlive ;)
[12:11] <AssantialGuest> ok
[12:12] <Matisse> hi
[12:13] <Matisse> is there a way to stop the system upgrade message to annoy you?
[12:13] <ct529> hi! I ahve some problems listening to mp3 under kubuntu 910 .... I use kaffeine, but I cannot navigate the file .... that is if I miss a bit I cannot go back a few seconds, I have to start from scratch
[12:14] <Matisse> ct529, dont use kaffeine for it
[12:15] <Matisse> ct529, amarok or audicious are much better
[12:15] <ct529> Matisse: what do I use then?
[12:15] <ct529> Matisse: but amarok has the same problem!
[12:16] <Matisse> audicious hasnt :)
[12:16] <Matisse> or maybe it isnt a mp3
[12:16] <Matisse> rather a stream or whatever
[12:17] <neure> HEH
[12:17] <neure> i managed to segfault plasma like after 1 minutes
[12:17] <spirov92> btw how do I start the distribution update again? I don't know what the program is called
[12:17]  * neure is not impressed
[12:17] <a_h_roth> I have a silly question: how do I fix my Kubuntu Lucid splash screen?  It currently displays in VGA with 256 colors, instead of beautiful rich interpolated colors and sized to my screen, the way that it does off of the LiveCD.  If it helps: my build of Lucid was upgraded from Karmic to one of the Lucid betas, and I've run apt-get upgrade ever since.  The rest of Lucid is great, but this splash screen is mildly annoying.  As silly as I feel
[12:17] <a_h_roth> about complaining about this: any tips?
[12:19] <tasslehoff> Any kind souls that could try to download http://heanet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/expat/expat-2.0.1.tar.gz and gunzip it? I suffer from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gzip/+bug/524366 and need to know if I'm the only one.
[12:20] <Matisse> !dist-upgrade
[12:20] <karuru> does anyone know why the sound in firefox doesn't work?
[12:20] <Matisse> which sound?
[12:21] <mrafv> tasslehoff: works for me
[12:21] <karuru> kubuntu 10, sound in flash
[12:21] <tasslehoff> mrafv: thanks. and you're on 10.04?
[12:21] <karuru> sound in amarok works
[12:21] <mrafv> yup
[12:21] <Matisse> karuru, tried another website/other vid?
[12:21] <tasslehoff> mrafv: that's just ... odd.
[12:21] <Matisse> !upgrade | spirov92
[12:22] <karuru> Matisse: yes
[12:22] <a_h_roth> tasslehoff: it does NOT work for me, so you're not the only one.
[12:22] <Matisse> karuru, which flash plugin?
[12:23] <karuru>     Datei: npwrapper.libflashplayer.so
[12:23] <karuru>     Version:
[12:23] <karuru>     Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45
[12:23] <Matisse> karuru, try stopping other music programs and restarting firefox, if it works might be a sound server prob
[12:23] <Matisse> *and then
[12:23] <tasslehoff> a_h_roth: thx for checking. the gzip version is the same as in 9.10, so I wonder where the error could be. can't think of a workaround ..
[12:24] <karuru> i stopped amarok and restartet firefox but it still doesnt work :/
[12:25] <karuru> but i can hear the sound of multiple programs, if i run the dragon player and amarok at the same time i hear both soundstreams
[12:26] <karuru> so i think it's not a soundserver problem
[12:26] <Matisse> karuru, but the videos are working fine?
[12:27] <karuru> Matisse: yes videos are fine
[12:27] <a_h_roth> tasslehoff: this is ugly, but maybe you can load LiveCD of an earlier version of Kubuntu on a USB stick, and untar from there.
[12:28] <theuros1> why you use kde instead of gnome ?
[12:28] <a_h_roth> theuros1: more configurable.
[12:29] <a_h_roth> theuros1: Much easier to customize, and more things that you *can* customize.
[12:30] <theuros1> i'm using gnome at the moment .. i installed kde and try some features ... it's nice .. but i can't see any good reason to use it .... my forst impression was that is made for easy transaction from windows to linux
[12:30] <tasslehoff> a_h_roth: I have a server that I can do it on.
[12:30] <karuru> Matisse: i solved it :) the pcm adjuster was low
[12:31] <xrfang> It very strange that while using ubuntu 9.10 (with kubuntu-desktop installed) and kde 4.4 (got from ppa) there is no problem, but now when using kubuntu 10.04, dolphin keeps crashing especially while copying around large amount of files... is this a known bug?
[12:31] <a_h_roth> tasslehoff: Good luck.
[12:32] <karuru> xrfang: i had the bug that dolphin crashes in debian testing, but now with kubuntu 10.04 it didn't crash anymore
[12:32] <xrfang> my problem is reversed, and in 910/1004, I both use kde 4.4.2
[12:38] <JuJuBee> Is it possible to have 9.04 and 10.04 point to different .kde folders on same /home/me folder?  I have /home on server and my laptop uses 10.04 but my desktop uses 9.04...
[12:38] <saintly> update to 10.04 successful
[12:40] <Torch> JuJuBee: just set a different KDEHOME env var
[12:40] <JuJuBee> Torch: where do I set it?
[12:42] <Torch> JuJuBee: you could try ~/.xsessionrc, but off the top of my head i'm not sure if that would not come to late.
[12:42] <Torch> s,to,too,
[12:42] <Torch> JuJuBee: brute force is something like /etc/environment
[12:42] <||arifaX> can I manually call the vpnc and openvpn helper scripts from the commandline?
[12:46] <Anubis> is anyone tried to install the latest drivers from nvidia on 10,04?
[12:46] <mrafv> Anubis: nvidia-current
[12:47] <shadeslayer> Anubis: just open jockey-kde and it should do the trick
[12:49] <Anubis> shadeslayer, mrafv: thanks
[12:50] <vadi01> can someone tell me how good 10.04 is?
[12:50] <vadi01> i plan to install it today
[12:51] <Anubis> vadi01: try it in a virtual machine.
[12:51] <JuJuBee> Torch: I will give it a try
[12:51] <mrafv> if you were using the ppa on karmic you won't notice much of a change
[12:52] <JuJuBee> shadeslayer: what is jockey-kde?
[12:53] <vadi01> ah yea virtual machine
[12:53] <JuJuBee> is it like envy?
[12:54] <vadi01> by the way whats the difference between kvm and virtual machine
[12:54] <a_h_roth> JuJuBee: jockey-kde detects your hardware that might need a non free driver to work properly.  Like closed nvidia drivers.
[12:54] <pookito> Hi everyone, is ubuntuone working with the new release of kubuntu?
[12:55] <a_h_roth> JuJuBee: It also recommends which driver to use for full effect.
[12:55] <shadeslayer> !jockey | JuJuBee
[12:55] <shadeslayer> meh...
[12:55] <mrafv> !superkaramba
[12:56] <mrafv> you lie ubottu: it's broken
[12:56] <JuJuBee> a_h_roth: thanks, I ran it  and it is installing the drivers... I just installed 10.04rc 2 days ago.  System settings did a good job with display, but it didn't seem to stick.  I use twinview
[12:56] <Torch> JuJuBee: nvidias binary blob does not fully support xrandr. use their config tool for setup.
[12:57] <JuJuBee> Thats what I used with 9.x  so will this grab that tool for me also?
[12:58] <JuJuBee> Wow, the install is verrrrrrryyyyyy slow.... running for 4 minutes and only 13% done...
[12:58] <JuJuBee> fsck is faster... :)
[12:59] <JuJuBee> Do I need to install mp3 support still for amarok to work on my mp3s out of the box?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: how are you installing?
[13:00] <JuJuBee> shadeslayer: nvidia drivers?  using jockey-kde
[13:01] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: oh youre saying that installing the drivers is slow?
[13:01] <JuJuBee> yes
[13:01] <JuJuBee> at 27% now...
[13:02] <pookito> can someone tell if ubuntuone is working with the new release of kubuntu?
[13:02] <tsimpson> you need to use the ubuntu packages (as there is no KDE package yet)
[13:03] <pookito> I know, I installed all the packages but it comes up and then is gone
[13:03] <tsimpson> there should be an icon in the tray I think
[13:03] <pookito> well, thanks anyways
[13:03] <pookito> :D
[13:05] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: oh itll take some time to download the drivers
[13:05] <JuJuBee> Why so long?  just the number of people upgrading ?
[13:06] <JuJuBee> I downloaded the kubuntu iso faster than this...
[13:06] <moetunes> JuJuBee: the servers always are overloaded after a new release
[13:07] <JuJuBee> Oh, I thought they would come from nvidia servers...  It's ok, I can wait...  Thanks for the help.
[13:07] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: um actually no,theyre from the ubuntu servers
[13:08] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: i prefer doing sudo apt-get install nvidia-current...
[13:08] <Matisse> spirov92, did the links help?
[13:08] <JuJuBee> Im just glad I got 10 working.  The live CD wasn't working and I tried installing alernate.  that did not work initiially.  Turns out my problem was related to a conflict with a bluetooth wireless adapter for my smartboard (classroom interactive whiteboard)
[13:08] <JuJuBee> shadeslayer: I know for next time.
[13:09] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:09] <saintly> Upgrade to 10.04 done
[13:09] <calumayoo> will sudo aptitude upgrade upgrade my 9.10 to 10.04?
[13:09] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: no
[13:09] <moetunes> !upgrade
[13:09] <saintly> now i cant locate any of my drivers, i have no sound at all
[13:10] <spirov92> Matisse: yea, it's downloading stuff right now...sadly my connection is tragic, it's 50kbps and only works half of the time
[13:10] <calumayoo> okay
[13:10] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: if you want a command line upgrade do : do-release-upgrade
[13:10] <JuJuBee> Since I installed 10.04 rc, I don't need to reinstall the final release, correct?  regular apt-get update/upgrades will bring me up to date?
[13:10] <saintly> can anyone help me with my sound issues?
[13:11] <ShishKabab> Hi. I'm having some Akonadi issues after distribution upgrade to 10.04 which make KMail crash. Here's the relevant part of the Akonadi self test. The rest of them are successful. http://pastebin.com/XpgDSWX6
[13:11] <Matisse> spirov92, stay tuned :)
[13:11] <shadeslayer> ShishKabab: this is a known issue,read the release notes :)
[13:12] <saintly> maybe i just need to reinstall the drivers? im lost
[13:12] <moetunes> saintly: does   aplay -l   list the card?
[13:12] <saintly> aplay?
[13:12] <shadeslayer> saintly: in a konsole do : aplay -l
[13:13] <moetunes> saintly: it is a command line app - open konsole and type   aplay -l   it should show the card
[13:13] <kramerstefan> hi, since my laptop did a suspend today, I can not reach the network any more
[13:13] <kramerstefan> knetworkmanager says that network management is disabled
[13:13] <ShishKabab> shadeslayer: You mean http://www.kubuntu.org/news/10.04-lts-release ?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> ShishKabab: yes
[13:14] <kramerstefan> any idea how I could solve that problem?
[13:14] <shadeslayer> kramerstefan: yeah that happened to me too,i installed plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[13:14] <saintly> moetunes, how do i get tht last symbol, is it -|?
[13:15] <moetunes> saintly: it is a lower case L
[13:15] <moetunes> l for list
[13:15] <kramerstefan> shadeslayer: and that did solve the problem?
[13:16] <shadeslayer> kramerstefan: yes :)
[13:16] <saintly> moetunes, card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 0: ALC269 Analog [ALC269 Analog]
[13:16] <saintly>   Subdevices: 1/1
[13:16] <saintly>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[13:16] <saintly> card 0: MID [HDA Intel MID], device 3: INTEL HDMI [INTEL HDMI]
[13:16] <saintly>   Subdevices: 1/1
[13:16] <FloodBotK3> saintly: Please don't flood, use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste, don't use Enter as punctuation.
[13:16] <saintly>   Subdevice #0: subdevice #0
[13:16]  * shadeslayer downloads SRU updates
[13:17] <calumayoo> shadeslayer: do-release-upgrade only or sudo aptitude do-release-upgrade?
[13:17] <saintly> O.o
[13:17] <vadi01> has this bug been fixed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290
[13:17] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: sudo do-release-upgrade
[13:17] <kramerstefan> shadeslayer: ok, so i'll try :-)
[13:18] <shadeslayer> vadi01: its in lucid-proposed
[13:18] <moetunes> saintly: there is a website to help setting sound up - click on this link
[13:18] <moetunes> !sound | saintly
[13:18] <saintly> ok
[13:18] <ShishKabab> shadeslayer: I already tried to reboot the whole PC (which includes Akonadi), but KMail hangs now after popping up a KWallet dialog.
[13:18] <saintly> ty
[13:18] <moetunes> np
[13:19] <vadi01> shadeslayer: what does that mean? sorry am new in kununtu
[13:19] <shadeslayer> vadi01: ok,it means that it is in the repo named lucid proposed updates and will be moved to lucid updates after proper testing :)
[13:20] <shadeslayer> ShishKabab: hmm...its probably a akonadi bug...
[13:20] <calumayoo> shadeslayer: thanks... ill do it after the the upgrade...
[13:21] <shadeslayer> ShishKabab: http://launchpad.net/bugs/564263
[13:21] <vadi01> shadeslayer: can i just use it from the lucid-proposed repo then? if yes then all i have to do is just enable the updates testing repo right?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: uhh..
[13:21] <calumayoo> ?
[13:21] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: that command upgrades you to 10.04
[13:22] <calumayoo> yeah... i have already keyed in the aptitude upgrade
[13:22] <shadeslayer> you can exit that...
[13:22] <calumayoo> gotta wait for at least 30 mins to do the do-release-upgrade
[13:22] <shadeslayer> press ctrl+C
[13:22] <calumayoo> really?
[13:22] <calumayoo> it wont do harm?
[13:22] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: nope
[13:22] <calumayoo> thanks
[13:23] <shadeslayer> calumayoo: what aptitude does is download the packages and THEN install them,you can safely exit during the download stage
[13:23] <calumayoo> i see. thanks
[13:25] <shadeslayer> np
[13:25] <JuJuBee> Should I install sun's java or open?
[13:26] <shadeslayer> JuJuBee: i would suggest open if you dont use java alot
[13:26] <shadeslayer> and it works for you perfectly
[13:26] <JuJuBee> I don't, but I use eclipse and it needs it.
[13:26] <tsimpson> the open java really should be able to do mostly everything the closed java can
[13:26] <ubuntu___> italiani?
[13:26] <tsimpson> and, you can even file bugs against the open version! ;)
[13:27] <shadeslayer> hehe
[13:27] <tsimpson> !it | ubuntu___
[13:27] <JuJuBee> tsimpson: thanks
[13:28] <Matisse> After logging in there's always this upgrade-to-10.4-hint. how do i remove it permanently?
[13:31] <tsimpson> Matisse: not sure, maybe #kubuntu-devel knows
[13:32] <kramerstefan> shadeslayer: it works! thank you:)
[13:36] <calumayoo> !ms office
[13:36] <calumayoo> !microsoft office
[13:36] <wtfplymouth> does somone know how to ignore mount errors during boot?
[13:41] <wtfplymouth> does somone know how to ignore mount errors during boot?
[13:41] <shadeslayer> wtfplymouth: i wouldnt do that...
[13:42] <wtfplymouth> shadeslayer: i need to do it. i added custom entries for usb disks and they arent always connected. (its ubuntu server)
[13:43] <shadeslayer> wtfplymouth: you mean in /etc/fstab ? well if it doesnt find them,does it not skip them>
[13:43] <wtfplymouth> the probelm is that the boot stops and i cannot login with ssh
[13:44] <wtfplymouth> yes in fstab. 9.10 booted with errors
[13:44] <wtfplymouth> in 10.04 you have to press s to skip
[13:44] <shadeslayer> hmm
[13:45] <anj> Possibly stupid question follows: I've been using Lucid for a while... aren't there any upgrades now that 10.04 is released?
[13:45] <shadeslayer> wtfplymouth: well all i know is that mountall is responsible for mounting the disks
[13:45] <shadeslayer> anj: why would there be?
[13:46] <shadeslayer> anj: i think there is a day 0 update for grub...
[13:46] <anj> shadeslayer: because I would have thought the release version would be different from the RC
[13:47] <Pici> !final
[13:47] <shadeslayer> anj: well it usually isnt :) , the archive is frozen just before RC
[13:47] <shadeslayer> ah nice, theres a factiod about it :P
[13:47] <anj> shadeslayer: oh, ok. so basically the Kubuntu I have now is "meant" to be more or less the Kubuntu I had a week ago.
[13:48] <anj> too bad, I was hoping for a final batch of fixes
[13:48] <shadeslayer> anj: yes,thats the point of freezing the archives,so that the devs dont upload any more fixes which might break more stuff than they fix :P
[13:49] <calumayoo> !repos
[13:51] <anj> I see... may have to tinker more and/or file more bug reports after all.
[13:51] <Catchief> Hi everyoune =) I upgraded my Kubuntu yesterday and now i dont have any sound in flash videos like on youtube. Anyone has a clue how to fix it?
[13:56] <saintly> alright i need someoen who knows a lil somethin bout sound
[13:56] <FinnArild> So ...
[13:56] <FinnArild> KDE crashes after login - which logfile should I peek at?
[13:56] <saintly> my codec file online is missing the modules for ALC269, as well as all the other modules
[13:57] <saintly> i need this>>>>Codec: Realtek ALC269
[13:58] <saintly> without this it would appear sound wont come back.
[13:59] <saintly> Also within 10.04 i cant find the channels listing that will alow me to change the card order, as it was with 9.10
[14:00] <saintly> !sound
[14:01] <saintly> still stuck
[14:01] <saintly> is ther anyone home amongst the 290 ppl online?
[14:02] <moetunes> saintly: it's a matter of being familiar with your prob - I'll have a quick google for you
[14:02] <saintly> oh okkies
[14:03] <saintly> i used ur sound truoble shooting, and this is where i got, so im enlightend on the issue, just now i know im stuck.
[14:04] <FinnArild> hm
[14:04] <FinnArild> I wonder - if I delete my .kde file after upgrading - maybe that will help?
[14:04] <moetunes> http://michaelminn.com/linux/toshiba-u505/ gives a how to for that card half way down
[14:04] <moetunes> saintly: ^^
[14:04] <saintly> alright tyy
[14:04]  * FinnArild can't try it out since this is on the media pc and his wife is currently hugging the TV
[14:05] <saintly> moetunes: will this file work for a Dell Mini too you think?
[14:05] <moetunes> saintly: if it is the same card the rest of the system doesn't matter
[14:06] <zus> where do i find the repositories? and stff for dvd and so on?
[14:07] <saintly> alright bbl
[14:07] <moetunes> luck
[14:09] <zus> where do i find the repositories for lucid, (reword mysefl)
[14:10] <Alienarch> Anyone know what program association I set for .apt files?
[14:10] <moetunes> zus: trying to upgrade by changing the sources.list file?
[14:11] <zus> moetunes,  no fresh install of 10.4. i forgot to save my book marks but they were all ubuntu karmic links anyways..
[14:12] <moetunes> !repos | zus this should have them
[14:13] <zus> moetunes,  thasnk
[14:13] <moetunes> np
[14:14] <basajaun> after upgrade to 10.04 windows do not cover all screen anymore ideas?
[14:18] <pookito> Not too long ago I finished downloading UNR, and the usb creator from kubuntu can not read the image file.  It is a ".img"
[14:18] <pookito> Any reason why?
[14:19] <pookito> Anyone please?
[14:19] <moetunes> pookito: are you talking about unetbootin?
[14:20] <moetunes> !unr
[14:20] <pookito> thanks for answering.  But no.  I downloaded an .img file from ubuntu it was the netbook version.  when I use the "usb creator" it does not work
[14:20] <moetunes> will have a link for using the .img
[14:20] <moetunes>  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UNR
[14:23] <pookito> Thanks Moetunes, but I did that.  for some reason the .img file does not want to be read by the "usb creator"  that came preinstall with kubuntu
[14:24] <pookito> Moetunes: i tried it with unetbooting and still did not work.  I did a little research before I got here.  Is there anything else that I am not doing right? or missing?
[14:24] <moetunes> pookito: I've never tried the unr but believe there is an ubuntu app for putting the .img on usb
[14:25] <zus> moetunes,  i guess what i meant to ask was will i be using the karmic ppa's and  repositories or is there a lucid one? i found this  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[14:25] <pookito> moetunes: yes there is, I thought it was the "usb-creator" but it does not work? :(
[14:25] <moetunes> pookito: afaik there is an app solely for the unr .img
[14:26] <moetunes> zus: since lucid is released I thought that link would point you to lucids repos...
[14:27] <zus> moetunes,  it jujst explained how to add them.
[14:27] <Kriss3d> Hi. Has anyone had problems with black screen after showing kubuntu logo after upgrading to 10.04 ?
[14:28] <syon> finally the upgrad finnished. just one glitch so far: with LUKS (and LVM) there is no splash, but rather just a text mode prompt for my password input
[14:28] <syon> any pointers?
[14:28] <Kriss3d> syon,  well i havent tried the new 10.04 yet but the login manager should give you an option for it
[14:28] <Kriss3d> for logging on via a gui
[14:30] <moetunes> zus: the upgrade should have changed the repos listed in the package manager for you and medibuntu is the same for all afaik
[14:30] <moetunes> !medibuntu
[14:31] <zus> thanks again
[14:31] <moetunes> Kriss3d: sounds like your missing drivers for your vid card
[14:32] <Kriss3d> yeah thats what i thought as well.. however the ubuntu 9.10 (kubuntu) worked out of the box..
[14:32] <Kriss3d> im not having much success with graphics drivers and how to install them.
[14:32] <moetunes> Kriss3d: you can login and check the X log to find out what;s up
[14:32] <moetunes> what's*
[14:33] <Kriss3d> well its not my computer and the computer is across the contry.. so im not sitting at it.. not making that easier either.. but aparently it shows the kubuntu logo then stops.. not freezing but just sorta hangs
[14:33] <Kriss3d> i need to find a way to at least get to a login screen in terminal
[14:34] <calumayoo> !palyonlinux
[14:34] <wtfplymouth> after trying 2 hours of skipping mountig errors during boot im giving up and using debian on my server
[14:34] <moetunes> Kriss3d: they could press   ctrl+alt+f2   login and do   cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | less   to find the error
[14:35] <moetunes> wtfplymouth: something wasn't setup right?
[14:36] <Kriss3d> moetunes,  ty. ill be sure to pass that along and see if it will let him go to that.. alt crtl F2.. isnt athat just switching to another terminal ? wouldnt crtl alt F1 work as well ? cause thats not working
[14:36] <wtfplymouth> moetunes: sure i have a wrong fstab entry but i want it to skip this one automatically at boot and not to stop the boot
[14:36] <Kriss3d> or did i miss somthing ? like the first terminal is the gui ?
[14:36] <moetunes> Kriss3d: f prob would be ok
[14:37] <moetunes> wtfplymouth: but /proc and /sys are mounted from fstab iirc
[14:37] <moetunes> Kriss3d: f1 prob would be ok I meant
[14:38] <wtfplymouth> moetunes: its just an entry for an usb disk which isnt connected
[14:39] <Kriss3d> well i was told that F1 didnt do anything..
[14:39] <wtfplymouth> moetunes: 9.10 booted anyway
[14:39] <moetunes> wtfplymouth: normally if an fstab mount isn't available it just gets skipped
[14:39] <Kriss3d> but ill just see what works.. hopfully i can get it into recovery mode.
[14:39] <moetunes> Kriss3d: sorry - f1 was short for ctrl+alt+f1
[14:39] <wtfplymouth> moetunes: normally, but not in 10.04
[14:40] <moetunes> o
[14:40] <Kriss3d> yeah.. i know what you meant.. but i was told earlier today that ctrl alt f1 didnt do anything..
[14:40] <Kriss3d> but ill see what works later when i talk to the owner again
[14:41] <moetunes> Kriss3d: maybe with kdm running and using its' internal xorg.conf the keyboard is borked
[14:41] <wtfplymouth> moetunes: the problem is that it stops the boot and i cnnot login with ssh
[14:41] <Kriss3d> well if it at least will boot up i should be able to get it working again without having to do a fresh install
[14:42] <moetunes> Kriss3d: try the recovery boot option - it is cli
[14:42] <Kriss3d> isnt ctrl alt f1 the recovery ?
[14:42] <Kriss3d> otherwise i dont know how to get it into that
[14:43] <moetunes> Kriss3d: no - just a tty/cli
[14:43] <moetunes> Kriss3d: hit shift at boot
[14:43] <Kriss3d> ah yeah.. im on a windows now.. sadly wine + this laptop + wow isnt really running well
[14:43] <Kriss3d> moetunes,  ty ill tell him to do that
[14:43] <moetunes> wtfplymouth: don't know what else to say except bummer...:[
[14:44] <moetunes> Kriss3d: if the grub menu shows at boot it should be an option
[14:44] <wtfplymouth> moetunes: ill give this problem 1 more hour of trying but without skipping ubuntu is useless for me
[14:44] <Kriss3d> oh cripes.. im not good with grub..
[14:45] <joshjensen> hi all
[14:47] <Cookiekiller> hi, I am looking for a guy which attended at the clt 2010 in germany, is he here?
[14:49] <calumayoo> !canonical
[14:51] <spirov92> btw the upgrade procedure seems to be going well, except for the totally wrong remaining time (showing about an hour...for the last 2.5 hours)
[14:52] <spirov92> btw a n00bish question..what does TLS mean?
[14:52] <spirov92> LTS*
[14:52] <ForgeAus> hmmm...
[14:52] <ForgeAus> !lts
[14:53] <syon> Kris3d: I was talking about the plymouth splash
[14:53] <calumayoo> !aptitude
[14:53] <syon> Kris3d: I doubt I can configure that in my login manager
[14:53] <mindspin> Hi,I'm running 9.10with kde3.x on sda1 and regular 9.10 un sda5, today I upgraded 9.10 on sda5 to have a look on the new release.
[14:53] <ForgeAus> hehe *apt*ly named that aptitude survival guide :)
[14:54] <mindspin> I'd like to set kde 3.x on sda1 as default system, but /boot/menu.lst vanished :-(
[14:54] <calumayoo> the upgrades taking very long
[14:55] <fanti> hello, i just made a dist-upgrade (kubuntu) to lucid. all worked fine so far but the splash-screen at boot time looks very ugly. too large fonts, can't read the cryptsetup line to enter the disk password
[14:55] <mindspin> after installing  Startup manager no change is done, the system boots 10.04 on default any hinds, how to set sda1 i.e. kde3.x as default boot system?
[14:55] <moetunes> !grub2 | mindspin this is how it is done now
[14:57] <mindspin> very userfriendly ;-) on my old system I just had to set the number, or uncomment the system not needed
[14:58] <moetunes> mindspin: ubuntu is set up for linux newbies to be able to use - grub2 was an effort to help in that afaik
[14:59] <mindspin> adding and editing scripots sounds not userfriendly to me
[15:00] <mindspin> if startupmanageer would do its job, it would be nice for newbies...
[15:01] <moetunes> mindspin: I agree but those new to linux don't do that - and it really is just which files you edit that has changed
[15:03] <calumayoo> !upgrade time
[15:05] <||arifaX> I need program kdcop and I cannot find it anywhere. I need a graphical dcop browser
[15:06] <calumayoo> !dcop
[15:07] <spirov92> yay, a minute remaining of the upgrade
[15:08] <calumayoo> lol, im in the unpacking phase, dunno when this would en
[15:08] <moetunes> ||arifaX: nothing in   apt-cache search kdcop   ?
[15:09] <moetunes> !find kdcop
[15:10] <||arifaX> ubottu: nothing
[15:10] <||arifaX> ubottu:  will try the dev package
[15:10] <||arifaX> oh
[15:10] <moetunes> !bot
[15:11] <zus> how can i change the kmenu to display  by the program name again?
[15:26] <calumayoo> how do i know that the upgrade to 10.4 in the terminal is done?
[15:26] <calumayoo> will it automatically restart?
[15:32] <FOAD> Hi, how do I enable compositing (nvidia) in 10.04?
[15:33] <xrfang> is there any program in KDE to view overall hardware information? I am particularly interested in the video card model and driver I am using. thanks
[15:35] <tsimpson> xrfang: kinfocenter
[15:35] <xrfang> tsimpson: thanks
[15:39] <xrfang> my kubuntu is using a driver called radaeon (DRI R300 Project), and I am using ati Xpress 200M card. Is this the opensource driver or not?
[15:40] <genii> Is there some note in dmesg output like "taints the kernel" ?
[15:43] <tsimpson> yes, the "radeon" driver is the open source one
[15:46] <phoenix_> hello everyone
[15:46] <phoenix_> i have an problem when installing nvidia driver
[15:48] <phoenix_> here is the error log -->http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/ynveBr7G
[15:48] <phoenix_> can anyone help me
[15:49] <tsimpson> I don't see the error
[15:49] <tsimpson> "Your X configuration file has been successfully updated.  Installation of the NVIDIA Accelerated Graphics Driver for Linux-x86 (version: 195.36.24) is now complete"
[15:51] <phoenix_> tsimpson: i tried a command that override the default settings, it installs correctly, after i try to start xserver it says its not able to find the driver
[15:53] <moderndayzero> hello is anyone here familiar with console emulators for linux?
[15:53] <phoenix_> tsimpson: where can i find the xorg log
[15:54] <moderndayzero> isnt that in the 40_custom folder?
[15:54] <tsimpson> phoenix_: in /var/log/Xorg.0.log or /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old
[15:56] <phoenix_> tsimpson: check this out-->http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/2ssXZN0v
[15:56] <phoenix_> (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[15:57] <calumayoo> yey, restart now
[15:58] <tsimpson> I've never tried to install the nvidia driver, so I can't really help
[15:58] <phoenix_> tsimpson: ok
[15:58] <tsimpson> phoenix_: you'll probably get more help in #ubuntu than here
[15:58] <phoenix_> tsimpson: ok i will try that
[15:59] <vadi01> phoenix_: did you manually install the driver?
[16:00] <vadi01> phoenix_: by downloading it from nvidia site?
[16:00] <BluesKaj> howdy
[16:06] <blendmaster1024> hey all ... is this (http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Kde3/Jaunty) possible for 10.04?
[16:06] <blendmaster1024> or do i need to compile from source?
[16:08] <blendmaster1024> i would assume from experience that i can just use the karmic mirror and it will work for lucid
[16:09] <genii> blendmaster1024: Perhaps check out http://apt.pearsoncomputing.net/
[16:10] <genii> blendmaster1024: Remember that KDE3 series is not supported after 8.04
[16:10] <blendmaster1024> yeah, i know
[16:10] <blendmaster1024> this is just an awesome hack :)
[16:17] <Kriss3d> moetunes, still here ?
[16:18] <zus> i would like to use a dock,  can any one suggest a decent one for kubuntu?
[16:19] <blendmaster1024> zus: i like cairo dock, note that it needs a compositing window manager, aka desktop effects
[16:19] <blendmaster1024> works in all versions of ubuntu and very themeable
[16:19] <Kriss3d> Anyone had problems with graphics not working in kubuntu 10.04 but working out of the box in 9.10 ?
[16:20] <zus> blendmaster1024,  with cairo dock i can still use kwin or will i need compiz?
[16:20] <blendmaster1024> zus: kwin is fine, as long as effects are enabled
[16:20] <ryrych> hi there!
[16:20] <blendmaster1024> Kriss3d: i've had that before, but with the upgrade from jaunty to karmic
[16:20] <moderndayzero> hello is anyone here familiar with gameconsole emulators for linux? or can direct me in the right direction?
[16:21] <Kriss3d> blendmaster1024,  well since he got a pirate version of my disc.  I know its 9.10 koala he was using before upgrading to 10.40
[16:21] <Kriss3d> 10.04.
[16:21] <blendmaster1024> Kriss3d: pirate version????
[16:22] <blendmaster1024> of kubuntu? what!?
[16:22] <Kriss3d> well he copied my dis..
[16:22] <ryrych> I upgraded to 10.04 flawlessly but it tourned out I have no audio. I forgot the command to search for devices in alsa - can you prompt it?
[16:22] <blendmaster1024> oh that's not pirating
[16:22] <blendmaster1024> kubuntu is free, that's not jsut acceptable but encouraged
[16:22] <zus> thanks i used cairo on ubuntu but  found i was using gnome do  and  docky much more
[16:22] <Kriss3d> well.. im too used to having to work with windows enviroment i guess. ( bloddy WoW wont run properly on this laptop)
[16:22] <blendmaster1024> zus: docky works on kde as well
[16:22] <Kriss3d> blendmaster1024,  belive me.. i spread the linux wherever i go..
[16:23]  * blendmaster1024 has to migrate to another HD, this one is failing badly
[16:23] <blendmaster1024> later
[16:23] <moderndayzero> you try WoW through Playinlinux?
[16:23] <zus> blendmaster1024,  im getting used to alt-f2 actually
[16:24] <Kriss3d> moderndayzero,  i can run wow.. but after a while it crashes..
[16:24] <rackIT> JMG$1969
[16:24] <Kriss3d> and it takes me through the entire thing for recovering.. it crashes linux itself.. complete freeze
[16:25] <moderndayzero> im looking to put all my consoles on here using the linux versions instead of the windows versions myself and not having alot of luck
[16:25] <moderndayzero> what are you running it through
[16:25] <zus> it isnt being found  when i use the terminal
[16:26] <Kriss3d> i used to run WoW i Wine
[16:27] <Kriss3d> Its basicly the only thing that keeps me from dumping even Windows 7 though its not that bad for a windows
[16:28] <dominicdinada_> dump wow save money and your social life
[16:28] <dominicdinada_> ^^ souunds like a win win
[16:29] <pa1983> Is USB_Modeswitch included in the new Kubuntu 10.04 LTS? My friend wants to use a Huawei e1750. Just curious. I can set it up ither way but I know him. if he reinstalls he cant install anyting manualy and well i would like it to be idiot safe so to speak before I recomend that he uses the new ubuntu version on his new laptop.
[16:29] <kde185> I can't install 10.04 netbook, the installer keeps hanging at 47% where it says "Scanning Discs".  anyone here having the same issues?
[16:29] <moderndayzero> mmo's arnt bad i use to play them on weekdays when i got home from work and party on the weekends
[16:30] <kde185> I'm on an eee 1000
[16:30] <mischdele> kde185: exact same problem here with the desktop/alternate 64 bit version - on a normal desktop pc
[16:30] <dominicdinada_> some people play it with bad results haha they had a show about it
[16:30] <moderndayzero> oh im sure lol
[16:31] <moderndayzero> and southpark LOL @ that episode
[16:31] <kde185> mischdele: I found a bug report outlining the issue, let me go find it...
[16:31] <moderndayzero> BAFFROOM BAFFROOM MOM! BAFFROOM!
[16:31] <dominicdinada_> it was more so talking about how WOW consumed their lives haha
[16:31] <dominicdinada_> nerd rage at its best
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[16:32] <kde185> mischdele: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/448316
[16:32] <Pici> !ot
[16:32] <dominicdinada_> !nerd rage
[16:32] <dominicdinada_> :('
[16:32] <mischdele> kde185: ah thanks - will have a look
[16:33] <kde185> mischdele: I think the short of it is that you should use the alternate installation disc, unfortunately I don't think there is an alt image for the netbook remix
[16:33] <mischdele> kde185: hm, i already tried using the alternate disc - with no success either...
[16:35] <kde185> mischdele: are you on 64 bit?
[16:35] <mischdele> kde185: yap
[16:36] <mischdele> kde185: i'm currently testing if this also happens with a ubuntu-32-bit-version
[16:36] <ryrych> after upgrade to 10.04 audio stopped working; aplay shows nothing special - it's playing in "silence"; can you help me?
[16:37] <kde185> mischdele: do you have a wireless card?
[16:38] <saintly> has anyone had choppy vid issues with 10.04?
[16:39] <saintly> ryrych i want ur question answered too, having same issue.
[16:39] <mischdele> kde185: no, only a normal ethernet card - btw, the problems also occurs in ubuntu 32 bit :)
[16:39] <saintly> choppy vid issues anyone? suck as youtube, movie streaming...
[16:39] <saintly> such*
[16:40] <ryrych> saintly: uff... at least I'm not alone :)
[16:42] <saintly> lol right! i think my trouble MIGHT be a driver screwing up, but ALSA seems to be conviently missing my codec "Realtek ALC269"
[16:42] <kde185> mischdele: I'm looking through my dmesg output, but I don't see anything that really raises any flags.  How bout you?
[16:42] <moderndayzero> so im not wasting anyones time, does anyone here have nes,snes,n64,gba,sega.psx,ps2,dolphin,etc...... on 10.4 or familiar with the install/setups?
[16:43] <saintly> Again, anyone have experience with Choppy vid issues...
[16:43] <saintly> it looks like its frame dropping almost
[16:44] <kde185> I've had plenty of experience with choppy video, standard linux feature
[16:44] <kde185> *ducks*
[16:44] <saintly> well capn howd ya fix it
[16:44] <kde185> in my experience you don't fix it
[16:44] <kde185> that's just life
[16:44] <saintly> ive seen places onlie where programs are uninstalled, and the vid detail has improved.
[16:45] <ryrych> saintly: my audio: Audio device: ATI Technologies Inc IXP SB4x0 High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01)
[16:45] <ryrych> saintly: can't remember which Realtek it was
[16:45] <saintly> ryrych, do like i did and just make sure that 10.04 still supports your card.
[16:45] <saintly> !sound
[16:45] <saintly> use the trouble shooting one
[16:46] <saintly> it takes like 8 min to run it thru and see whats the issue, if there is one
[16:46] <saintly> if you get stuck come find me ill help u thru it
[16:47] <mischdele> kde185: i had two cd/dvd drives connected to my pc and now disconnected the one with no disc in it - seems to have fixed it for me! :)
[16:47] <saintly> :D
[16:47] <ryrych> saintly: ah, it seems my upgrade wasn't complete! I did it with kpackage kit in night - went to bed; now run apt-get dist-upgrade and it shows it is not complete! :)
[16:47] <mischdele> kde185: but i've still no clue why ...
[16:48] <kde185> mischdele: wow nice, unfortunately I don't have any optical drives plugged in
[16:48] <saintly> hmm wonder if thatll help me
[16:48] <mischdele> kde185: hmm - seems to be a rather strange issue...
[16:49] <lusum> hi
[16:49] <saintly> E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied)
[16:49] <lusum> how to manage upstart services in kubuntu??
[16:49] <ghoulsblade> hi all, just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.4 , but something went wrong, kde is all black background, no tasklist, no startmenu, no desktop/plasma etc. i already deleted my ~/.kde file, but it didn't help.   i accidentally pressed ctrl+c during some config diff shown in the cleanup step, wanted to copy the output but ended up intererrupting it. not sure, maybe it was some kde config in etc ?. it went on rebooting afterwards. can i repeat/contin
[16:49] <ghoulsblade> ue that step somehow ? any help welcome =)
[16:50] <saintly> what!
[16:50] <zus> i can not  get the magnifier square to pop up when i hit meta +/_ how do i get that back? in 10.4
[16:50] <saintly> sooo who wants to downgrade to 9.10 hehe...
[16:51] <adc> someone can help about grub boot ?
[16:51] <lusum> how to manage upstart services in kubuntu??
[16:51] <saintly> ryrych you still here?
[16:51] <ryrych> saintly yup
[16:52] <adc> i'm running kubuntu, have been customising lot of things, but i'm still trying to get the booting sequence showing the startup informations
[16:52] <saintly> my permission was denied to apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:52] <saintly> do i need to sudo apt?
[16:53] <adc> 've been cleaning all splash quiet elements, but still nothing, the kubuntu works 2 minutes long with a black screen, or now my grub wallpaper
[16:53] <ghoulsblade> yep. or use sudo kpackagekit for nice graphical upgrade thingy
[16:53] <saintly> thats a yesss lol
[16:53] <adc> ideas ?
[16:53] <saintly> Calculating upgrade... Done
[16:54] <ghoulsblade> maybe add nosplash  instead of splash ?
[16:54] <saintly> sso back to Vid, has anyone found a solution to fixing a choppy distorted vid quality?
[16:54] <adc> nosplash ?
[16:55] <adc> that will show all starting commands ?
[16:55] <pauru> Hey guys wats up? Is everyone ok?
[16:55] <saintly> hey pauru
[16:55] <Schmidt_> hi! )
[16:55] <saintly> lol sound issues, but nothin less to worry about
[16:55] <moderndayzero> hello
[16:56] <pauru> Thats the spirit! feels good to see that people are alright :)
[16:56] <saintly> sudo apt-get remove pulse-audio
[16:56] <saintly>  this strikes me as a bad idea, suggestions?
[16:56] <Schmidt_> i tried to install ubuntu, but there were problems, so i installed kubuntu ) everything ok now )
[16:56] <pauru> Hey guys i have a problem with my input and my output
[16:56] <adc> if i'm not wrong, what i'm talking about is the verbose mode, so is nosplash the berbose mode, or some thing else can do that
[16:56] <pa1983> can any one tell me if usub_modeswitch is included in 10.04 LTS ?
[16:56] <saintly> pauru, whats ur trouble
[16:57] <saintly> no splash would REMOVE the splash entirely, revealing verbosity, adc ;)
[16:57] <adc> that is great
[16:57] <moderndayzero> well if no one know about the gaming consoles "NES,SNES,N64,GBA,SEGA,PSX,PCSX2,Dolphin,etc.... can anyone here point me in the right direction please.
[16:57] <adc> lol
[16:57] <saintly> :D
[16:58] <saintly> moderndyzer, one sec ill google
[16:58] <adc> ok gonna try that and will be back (or not LOL)
[16:58] <pauru> I am using Linux Mint now and i really like it but when i connect my guitar in the Line in The soud when i am playing doesn't come out, the thing is that if i record and the press play i can hear the soud
[16:58] <adc> oh just
[16:58] <adc> what is  vga=789
[16:58] <adc> couldn't find out
[16:58] <moderndayzero> lol ive googled the crap out of these things and i cant seem to get them either installed or configured
[16:59] <saintly> i know right
[16:59] <saintly> Pauru, so ur saying you cant hear it at unless you use record?
[17:00] <genii> adc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VESA_BIOS_Extensions#Linux_video_mode_numbers
[17:00] <adc> ok that explains a lot lol thank you
[17:00] <genii> adc: Yer welcome
[17:00] <saintly> lol
[17:00] <adc> and about this little ro ?
[17:01] <adc> linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-21-generic-pae root=UUID=1521da3c-1d08-4f62-b094-17c7d7e6a2fa ro  splash vga=789
[17:01] <genii> adc: "read-only"
[17:01] <pauru> Yeah, and another funny thing is that If I right-click the speaker in the status tray and choose "Sound Preferences", and go to the Input tab, I can observe that the proper sound levels *are* being recognized
[17:01] <saintly> alright
[17:01] <pauru> the VU rises and falls properly
[17:01] <kde185> mischdele: got d/c'ed.  any luck on finding the cause?
[17:01] <saintly> whoo knows if 10.04 removed PulseAudio?
[17:01] <adc> why should it be read only for bootking kubuntu ?
[17:01] <saintly> E: Couldn't find package pulse-audio
[17:02] <adc> booting ^^
[17:02] <kde185> saintly: I'm pretty sure PulseAudio is here to stay (unfortunately)
[17:03] <saintly> kde185 mine idssappeared
[17:03] <genii> adc: Not sure. It's not usually in there unless you're booting from something like cd or immutable media
[17:04] <adc> i'm on my external hard drive
[17:04] <pauru> What should i do to fix this (I have the Pulse Audio and now it runs in the tray)
[17:04] <kde185> saintly: that's very strange, you sure that the package is called pulse-audio?
[17:04] <adc> nevermind, everything is working fine, just gonna try the nosplash and that's gonna be alright ^^
[17:04] <mischdele> kde185: sorry, no idea - but honestly, i also didn't really search for the cause any longer now that it's working :)
[17:05] <saintly> E: Couldn't find package pulse-audio
[17:05] <kde185> mischdele: ah I see
[17:05] <saintly> im trying to uninstall acutalll
[17:05] <saintly> y*
[17:05] <Zhenya> guys i need some help, I am having a CRITICAL issue with 10.04
[17:06] <Zhenya> i will be using the machine and all of the sudden the screen will turn black and i can see a typing cursor just sitting there
[17:06] <Zhenya> the caps lock light is blinking and i can't do ANYTHING
[17:06] <Zhenya> this has happened 3 times this morning and I have a LOT of work
[17:06] <kde185> saintly: the PulseAudio package is named "pulseaudio"
[17:07] <saintly> ty
[17:07] <Zhenya> i upgraded last night bia the gui
[17:07] <Delemir_> Zhenya, you should start by checking your logs in /var/log/messages
[17:07] <Zhenya> ok let me see what i have there
[17:09] <Zhenya> Delemir_: would it helpif i pastebined it? i am a N00bster
[17:10] <Delemir_> sure let me take a look at it ill see if i can do something about it
[17:11] <Zhenya> http://pastebin.org/194987
[17:11] <Zhenya> Delemir_: http://pastebin.org/194987
[17:11] <Zhenya> i pasted in the last 2 hours or so since i started using the machine
[17:11] <Zhenya> (i hope it doesnt go do while we aredoing this!)
[17:13]  * oxymoron wonders if theres something better than Kopete, Pidgin, AMSN and KMess because all of them doesnt fit my needs which is a working MSN client xD
[17:13] <adc> i don't get it
[17:13] <Delemir_> lol hopefully not... and just so you know im in the process of upgrading kubuntu right now. Might have to restart pretty soon. If something happens and i dont come back. Tell my children that i love them....
[17:13] <adc> nothing's working lol
[17:13] <Zhenya> Delemir_: i know the feeling
[17:14] <adc> what ever i do/set, the grub boot is black/wallpaperimage 2 minutes long until kubuntu is started
[17:14] <adc> can't get the verbose mode, any informations of the boot sequence
[17:14] <ghoulsblade> my black-desktop problem was solved by : apt-get install plasma-desktop + reboot
[17:14] <adc> terminal
[17:15] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: your having the same problem?
[17:15] <Zhenya> using the computer and then boom black screen with just a cursor and nothing else?
[17:16] <JuJuBee> Just did clean install of 10 with apache2 php5 and when I navigate to a php file, the browser wants to download it?
[17:16] <Kriss3d> ghoulsblade,  ehmm did you get like nothing after installing 10.04 after it shows the logo ?
[17:16] <ghoulsblade> Zhenya, yes, it seems
[17:16] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: when i did that i got 0 packages updated
[17:16] <saintly> No sound grrrrrrrrrr
[17:16] <ghoulsblade> i moved my ~/.kde to some other place as well
[17:17] <Delemir_> Zhenya, i didnt see anything wrong in your logs sorry
[17:17] <Zhenya> Delemir_: FARK thanks!
[17:17] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: plasma-desktop is already the newest version.
[17:17] <Zhenya> plasma-desktop set to manually installed.
[17:17] <Zhenya> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[17:17] <saintly> having sound issues from hell
[17:17] <saintly> anyone?
[17:17] <ghoulsblade> (during login with ctrl+alt+f1  console, ctrl+alt+f7 brigns you back tro graphics)
[17:17] <Delemir_> saintly
[17:17] <ghoulsblade> try running   plasma-desktop       in console
[17:17] <saintly> delemir
[17:17] <Delemir_> is it just not working at all?
[17:17] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: i have no ideahow to do that!
[17:17] <saintly> not at all
[17:17] <Delemir_> or just some app not having sound
[17:17] <ghoulsblade> a restart might do as well
[17:17] <kde185> alright I can't install 10.04 netbook edition, the installer hangs at 47% where it is scanning the discs just prior to the Disk Setup screen.  Anyone here able to help?  I'm completely stumped and google isn't helping.  I have an EEE 1000 (SSD disc version)
[17:17] <ghoulsblade> alt+f2 opens an input bar
[17:17] <saintly> nothing works
[17:18] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: i've trid that
[17:18] <ghoulsblade> there you can start "konsole" to get a graphical terminal
[17:18] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: i can'teven get to that ones it goes
[17:18] <Delemir_> ok nvm then i though you had the same issue as i did... but mine was just stuff like flash with no sound
[17:18] <ghoulsblade> maybe with ctrl+alt+f1 then ?
[17:19] <Zhenya> hmm ok
[17:19] <ghoulsblade> should open a non-graphical fullscreen console, you can get back to graphics using ctrl+alt+f7
[17:19] <saintly> flash with no sound you need to reinstall your flash delemir
[17:19] <Zhenya> ghoulsblade: it seems that it just locks up
[17:19] <saintly> or reinstall  your browser all together
[17:19] <Zhenya> the weird part is that the capslock blinks!
[17:19] <ghoulsblade> hmm sounds bad, reboot maybe ?
[17:20] <Delemir_> isn't that a kernel panic?
[17:20] <ghoulsblade> i stumbled upon this thread while searching : http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=87227
[17:20] <ghoulsblade> found the plasma-desktop tipp there, maybe it has further infos
[17:21] <RnFstRuckHrd> Hello all - found this article yesterday, which explains why my upgrade to 10.04 yesterday killed my laptop. Apparently the Dell Inspiron 700M has been blacklisted? See article and link inside article ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1461029 ) Can anyone give me an idea if this is something that will change with future updates, or is my laptop stuck on Karmic for the remainder of its days?
[17:21] <ghoulsblade> Zhenya,  it also says that if that doesn't work you should reinstall the kubuntu-desktop  package
[17:21] <Zhenya> right
[17:21] <Zhenya> ok i'm going to work for a while
[17:21] <ghoulsblade> If when you reboot, there is no desktop, you may need to put plasma-desktop into your autostart list.
[17:21] <Zhenya> if it goes down i will be back and bother you
[17:21] <ghoulsblade> ~/.kde/Autostart  or so
[17:22] <Zhenya> i have something urgent i need to finish first!
[17:22] <ghoulsblade> or via system config
[17:22] <ghoulsblade> good luck !
[17:22] <Zhenya> thanks!
[17:22] <Delemir_> good luck Zhenya
[17:22] <Zhenya> i'm going to msg you so i can talk to you dirctly later
[17:22] <Zhenya> Delemir_: thanks!
[17:22] <Zhenya> i have a feeling i'll be back soon :P
[17:24] <Gerrit> Hi. I accidentally pressed some key or mouse butten that caused me to see thumbnails of all my windows, until I clicked one (new KDE on new Kubuntu). What key or mouse movement might that have been?
[17:25] <Gerrit> It's not alt+<Tab> because that shows only the active workspace
[17:26] <kde185> gerrit: if your mouse is in the top left then you can "push" into the corner to do that I think
[17:29] <Gerrit> kde185: indeed, thanks
[17:32] <Schmidt__> hi everyone!
[17:32] <Schmidt__> Why is it no sound after installation?
[17:33] <Schmidt__> (sorry for language , i'm from Russia)
[17:33] <Schmidt__> Why is it no sound after installation?
[17:33] <saintly> yes what shmidt said
[17:34] <saintly> NOOO soundd
[17:34] <Schmidt__> saintly  u havn't too, bro?
[17:35] <Schmidt__> maybe sudo aptitude install pulseaudio can help?
[17:35] <pauru> Hey guys why isn't ardour working?
[17:35] <thegeek0100_> !no sound
[17:36] <thegeek0100_> !sound
[17:57] <saintly> audio issues STILL
[17:57] <muffin2> Hello
[17:57] <saintly> hi
[17:57] <muffin2> I put kubuntu 10.04 lucid on my usb drive.
[17:58] <saintly> give it here. lol
[17:58] <muffin2> And a blank screen appears after I enter either "install kubuntu" or "try without install"
[17:58] <cirillo> Quick question: My Windows 7 computer has no username/passwords on its network shares. As in, when I access the shares from another windows box, I simply set my workgroup to HOME (the workgroup of the PC) and it lets me browse the shares, free of any login credentials. When I try to use Dolphin, it asks for a username and password. I set my workgroup in /etc/samba/smb.conf to HOME, and restarted, but dolphin still wants me to authenticate with a
[17:58] <cirillo>  username/password that I don't have
[17:58] <muffin2> The same happens when I boot it on cd.
[17:58] <muffin2> I have X1250 graphic card.
[17:58] <muffin2> Is it a problem?
[17:59] <saintly> dont know what to tell ya muffin2
[17:59] <muffin2> This thing never works well.
[17:59] <muffin2> Maybe I should stick to virtualbox.
[17:59] <muffin2> Linux hardware support sucks
[18:01] <cirillo> muffin2: have you tried different graphic configurations. I think it's F4 to set different graphics settings
[18:01] <muffin2> cirillo : I didn't try.
[18:03] <cirillo> muffin2: Try a different graphics setting. If that doesn't work, you may need to try the alternate CD, since that card requires proprietary ATI drivers which are not included with Kubuntu and must be installed manually
[18:03] <muffin2> damn
[18:03] <muffin2> radeonhd?
[18:04] <muffin2> I don't know how to make kubuntu use radeonhd driver on console.
[18:04] <muffin2> Anyway I try
[18:04] <cirillo> maybe try aticonfig? Sorry, I'm an nvidia guy
[18:05] <cirillo> sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg << set to use Vesa
[18:06] <cirillo> he left... well, anyone here with samba knowledge?
[18:09] <oxymoron> Could someone explain this for me: "You don't have permission to access / on this server." (HTTP 403 Error)? :S In error log it tries to access ~/.htaccess but that isnt the document root for my enabled site, my root is ~/projects. I HATE THIS, same freaking problem every single time installing apache and never remember what the problem is. Could be some kind of permission porblems with root folder, but I have access to it, not
[18:10] <oxymoron> sure what user group apache2 uses? :S
[18:19] <oxymoron> Is www-data used this days?
[18:21] <adc_> hey i'm back ^^
[18:21] <GNU\colossus> oxymoron: www-data:www-data is what the apache process effectively runs under, yes
[18:21] <rosco_y> testing
[18:21] <GNU\colossus> oxymoron: have a look at mpm-itk if you intend to change that.
[18:21] <adc_> been trying several things on my boot with grub, and finaly fixed something because i've get 10 secondes of intialisation text ^^
[18:22] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: I dont intend to change that, but I am trying to change my freaking Document Root by "a2ensite" command but www-data only point to that /var/www
[18:22] <adc_> i have a question : who is using kubuntu here and has the whole startup time long the initialisation text instead of a black screen ?
[18:23] <GNU\colossus> oxymoron: if you're after serving some static files via HTTP only, apache might be overkill for you anyway
[18:23] <rosco_y> Why do I get 404 messages when I try to ask a question in the #mysql session?
[18:24] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: No I am after a LAMP-server for developing my framework. I got this freaking 403 Access Denied everytime I install apache2 once again and I hate it. I want to know how to solve it?
[18:24] <adc_> http://www.yeap.de/blog2.0/uploads/kubuntu/startup.png
[18:24] <adc_> does some body see that while booting kubuntu from the hard drive ?
[18:24] <GNU\colossus> oxymoron: the apache error log should provide more info on the specific reason. it may either be a permission problem in your file system, or a configuration problem for the URI you're requesting.
[18:25] <adc_> because i did when i ran kubuntu from an usb key, and since i'm on hard drive, nothing while it starts
[18:25] <bjorn> kontact/kmail doesn't work at all for me on 10.04.  it complains "kontact(8967)/libakonadi Akonadi::SessionPrivate::socketError: Socket error occurred: "QLocalSocket::connectToServer: Connection refused""
[18:25] <adc_> it did
[18:25] <adc_> no one ?
[18:25] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: I got this and cant understand what it means: "[Fri Apr 30 19:16:49 2010] [crit] [client 127.0.0.1] (13)Permission denied: /home/oxymoron/.htaccess pcfg_openfile: unable to check htaccess file, ensure it is readable"
[18:26] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: It shouldnt even check in /home/oxymoron for .htaccess files :D
[18:26] <GNU\colossus> oxymoron: is /home/oxymoron/.htaccess readable by www-data? is /home/oxymoron/ read- and executable for www-data?
[18:27] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: It should NOT look inside /home/oxymoron at all for .htaccess files :S Thats not my DocumentRoot at all and its readable.
[18:28] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: I cant understand why it even look there at the first place, I havent configured it like that :S
[18:29] <GNU\colossus> oxymoron: apache2ctl -S might help you find out where it's getting that config from
[18:29] <Guest55142> is there something special that needs to be done to get my java working? doesnt work in firefox or konqueror and ive installed the bin from java.com still nothing
[18:29] <Guest55142> on my new 10.04 install^
[18:30] <GNU\colossus> Guest55142: install the java plugin via apt (synaptic)
[18:30] <GNU\colossus> Guest55142: you generally don't install random binaries. this is not windows.
[18:30] <Guest55142> can you tell me what its called, theres tons of java results
[18:30] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: Everything seems okay when I runned command "apache2ctl -S"
[18:30] <adc_> ok let's try it again :
[18:31] <adc_> did someone here install kubuntu on an hard drive ?
[18:31] <Guest55142> i wouldnt call it random, after no success to get my java working i downloaded http://javadl.sun.com/webapps/download/AutoDL?BundleId=39489 from sun java and installed as said per their website, yes im new to linux as well .. so call it my trial and error :)
[18:31] <GNU\colossus> I'm not running ubuntu myself, but I guess it's "sun-java6-plugin" what you're looking for
[18:32] <GNU\colossus> (for the _official_ Sun/Oracle Java Plugin)
[18:32] <fer_luck> hey guys!
[18:32] <fer_luck> good afternoon :)
[18:32] <adc_> hey
[18:32] <naftilos76> has anybody installed / upgraded from 9.04 to 10.04 ? How does it look?
[18:32] <adc_> yep
[18:32] <Guest55142> ive searched for that and all similar variants earlier and still find nothing, note im on kubuntu 10.04
[18:32] <adc_> i did
[18:32] <oxymoron> GNU\colossus: Seriously I got really pissed off soon, I have did like everything it feels like.
[18:32] <adc_> but i want an answer to my question before :D
[18:32] <fer_luck> I'm trying to set my kubuntu font configuration to 72 dpi, but there's only 96 and 128 available by default. is there a way to do that?
[18:35] <adc_> everyone's muted lol ? the fear of the chat :D
[18:36] <genii> adc_: It's often quiet in here for long periods.
[18:36] <Guest55142> is anyone else having problems with java in 10.04?
[18:36] <adc_> yeah i know lol
[18:36] <adc_> i don't
[18:39] <oxymoron> ""/usr/bin/dolphin(11568)" Error in thread 139996565296912 : "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown - The name org.kde.nepomuk.services.nepomukstorage was not provided by any .service files"" - Eh? :S
[18:42] <zatanicodoc> adc_ maybe is the hardware
[18:43] <ForgeAus> was KDE3.5.x better on Gutsy, Hardy or Intrepid?
[18:44] <genii> ForgeAus: Hardy
[18:45] <ForgeAus> thx
[18:47] <Schmidt__> kde 3 rulz
[18:50] <dcorbin_wrk> I'm running kbuntu 9.x. When I go to upgrade to 10.x the release notes, etc. speak of unbutu, not kubuntu.  Is this a concern?  It won't leave me with a Gnome desktop will it?
[18:51] <ForgeAus> no dcorbin
[18:51] <ForgeAus> ubuntu is kubuntu  essentially
[18:51] <ForgeAus> (in this respect anyway)
[18:51] <genii> dcorbin_wrk: An upgrade won't install any new Desktop Environment you didn't have before
[18:52] <ForgeAus> when you upgrade it will upgrade kubuntu-desktop (metapackage)
[18:52] <dcorbin_wrk> great.  Thanks.
[18:54] <dcorbin_wrk> Seems like very few files... (only 40)
[18:55] <KenBW2> is it possible to have Wallet take the password from when I log in?
[19:04] <ForgeAus> hardy kde3 remix is harder to find than I thought!
[19:06] <genii> ForgeAus: Hardy came with both KDE3 and KDE4
[19:07] <genii> eg: There was no remix
[19:07] <ForgeAus> uh?...
[19:07] <ForgeAus> it only came with one that I know of... prolly the release where they replaced KDE3 with KDE4...
[19:07] <ForgeAus> (original may have been kde3 maybe kde4 is the remix?)
[19:08] <genii> ForgeAus: Yes it was during the transition period, 8.04 came originally with kde3
[19:08] <ForgeAus> I think its more likely the opposite way around
[19:08] <ForgeAus> kde4 was the normal kde3 was remix
[19:08] <genii> Nope
[19:08] <ForgeAus> genii? hmmm..
[19:09] <ForgeAus> your telling me if I get the basic hardy desktop.iso it has kde3?
[19:10] <ForgeAus> Kubuntu has come with two different releases, one is the stable KDE 3.5.9 and the other one is a Remix Featuring the latest release of KDE 4.0.
[19:11] <ForgeAus> 3.5.9? wait there was kde3 after 3.5.9 why hardy then?
[19:11] <ForgeAus> wouldn't 3.5.10 (is there a later 3.5.x?) be better?
[19:12] <ForgeAus> Genii looks like kde4 was the remix... thats good news.. .
[19:13] <madura> the new release has a bug in the installer pressing whats this makes the installer crash
[19:13] <genii> ForgeAus: The kde3 version which shipped with Hardy was something like 3.5.8 which you could get up to 3.5.10 by normal updates. then if you wanted kde4 the package names all had "4" somewhere in them
[19:13] <ForgeAus> yeah like kmail-kde4
[19:13] <ForgeAus> and kpackage-kde4, etc...
[19:13] <genii> ForgeAus: Yes, exactly
[19:14] <ForgeAus> if you got the one without *-kde4 you had kde3 package...
[19:14] <madura> BTW is there any plugin for kopete for IRC?
[19:14] <ForgeAus> madura:  not that I'm aware of
[19:14] <genii> madura: Did you file a bug on Launchpad for that installer bug?
[19:15] <madura> genii: not yet and i didnt recheck it
[19:15] <thegeek0100> I don't see IRC as an option in kopete am I missing something?
[19:15] <ForgeAus> hmmm 695mb...
[19:16] <ForgeAus> thegeek0100: I don't think kopete has IRC
[19:16] <ForgeAus> konversation or quassel has IRC
[19:16] <madura> thegeek0100: yes :P but u can use konversation
[19:16] <ForgeAus> (there is also java applets on the web, and other ways... like kvirc for example )
[19:17] <thegeek0100> that's weird as kopete calls out irc in its description in kpackagekit
[19:17] <ForgeAus> meebo I think its called is a multi-im page, can't remember if IRC is there or not tho...
[19:17] <ForgeAus> thats all assuming you want some kinda gui... you can always get irssi for a console-based IRC
[19:18] <madura> thegeek0100: it had but the maintainer for thee irc plugin has not upgraded it to kde4
[19:18] <genii> <-- quassel
[19:18] <thegeek0100> If id didn't gui I wouldn't be in this room.
[19:18] <thegeek0100> madura thanks
[19:18] <madura> thegeek0100: :)
[19:18] <ForgeAus> still havn't got to try out the kde4 vers of konversation yet...
[19:19] <ForgeAus> Quassel was interesting but far to X-chat-like for me
[19:20] <madura> ForgeAus: well im on it right now but konversation is much simpler looking
[19:20] <ForgeAus> yeah well the kde3 one was simple too
[19:21] <madura> how can i install mp3 codecs for xine ? amarok keeps sayin phonon cant play mp3s
[19:22] <Schmidt__> i think ununtu with gnome is way better )
[19:23] <ForgeAus> sorry Schmidt, Gnome makes me feel queasy...
[19:23] <Schmidt__> queasy - how is it?
[19:23] <ForgeAus> I don't mind fluxbox or e17 ...
[19:23] <ForgeAus> Schmidt ... pretty much same as nauseus
[19:24] <Schmidt__> i think kde is too laggy and big )
[19:24] <Schmidt__> ope
[19:25] <ForgeAus> first of all theres the default chocolate browns and oranges... although themes can always be modded...
[19:25] <madura> brb
[19:25] <howlymowly> hi poeple... short question:  is there an easy way to get ubuntu one running on kubuntu lucid 10.04 ?
[19:26] <ForgeAus> but then theres nautilus (for that matter even Thunar) and their traversal bar ... (note:Dolphin extended on that to be much like Windows Vista/7's breadcrumbs bar)
[19:26] <Schmidt__> ubuntu one have web interface, so you can use it
[19:27] <ForgeAus> ubuntu one?
[19:27] <howlymowly> Schmidt__: that's right.. but I am rather atlking about easy synchronisation   etc....  and not starting firefox to gett access to ubuntu ne every time I want to use it...
[19:29] <madura> omg boot time :  5 secs! :S
[19:29] <ForgeAus> thats awesome :)
[19:29] <madura> yeap
[19:30] <ForgeAus> hmm look slike Gnome-ubuntu has gone purple background looks very OSX-like
[19:30] <madura> i cam from gnome :P
[19:30] <James147> madura: lucky :) my desktop taks aobut 20 secs from button push till the bios window disapears :D
[19:31] <mvk> i was playing with google-earth a min ago, on kubu 64bit with radeon kernel driver, but it crashed - HARD, locked up, then rebooted
[19:31] <madura> James147: you might have POST on or something
[19:31] <mvk> what log in /var/log can i check to try, and traceback the problem?
[19:31] <ForgeAus> uh as for integration with ubuntu1 howlymowwly, there is probably some but not as much as ubuntu (the default gnome one)
[19:31] <madura> James147: there are ways in new motherboards to skip some tests
[19:31] <James147> madura: its a fairly old comp now
[19:32] <James147> madura: and i think it is set to skip most test, but i probally should check
[19:32] <madura> James147: anyways any oldie would do ok with a linux distro :)
[19:32] <howlymowly> ForgeAus: any hint on where to look for it :)?
[19:32] <ForgeAus> is there a way to skip age-based fscking for kubuntu?
[19:32] <mvk> anyone?
[19:33] <James147> madura: its not old enough to not run win7 :)   but i prefure kubuntu
[19:33] <madura> James147: win7 is crap :P
[19:33] <James147> ForgeAus: I think you ahve to set someoptions on the paritions
[19:33] <ForgeAus> howlymowly https://one.ubuntu.com/features/  shows stuff thats integrated, you'd have to test out stuff like kubuntu equivs like kde-pim's mail/organizer instead of evolution ... for example
[19:34] <madura> well comparing to other MS OSes its better but still...
[19:34] <James147> madura: yeah, but i only have it for running games (and its a striped down version without all the blaot)
[19:34] <madura> James147: thats good, why dont u try urbanterror?
[19:34] <ForgeAus> uh howlymowly I'd be looking for a "contact us" link lol
[19:34] <cuznt> when one update via terminal is there a port to open to make it go faster?
[19:35] <ForgeAus> wait UbuntuOne has a client app...
[19:35] <James147> madura: not to into that type of fps :S to be honest i dont game on it much anymore  so it mostly just sits there
[19:36] <madura> James147: :P  then what would u prefer?
[19:37] <James147> cuznt: dont think opening a port would make it go faster.... keep in mind that the server are probally overloaded atm with everyone else trying to upgrade. If you can i suggest changing mirror
[19:37] <James147> madura: not really the place to discuss that :)
[19:37] <madura> eh
[19:37] <cuznt> ty
[19:37] <ForgeAus> howlymowly: there's a #ubuntuone channel
[19:38] <cuznt> i figured as such i was almost done after 8 hours of update and i lost power
[19:38]  * cuznt goes back to the apt-get drawing board
[19:38] <howlymowly> kewl!! ForgeAus great tip :) thx
[19:38] <Scunizi> What's a good client to use for VPN I tried KvpnC but it has unmet dependencies which I've installed but aren't recognized.
[19:38] <madura> James147: im busy downloading plasma themes :D
[19:39] <James147> cuznt: the packagemanagment system will fist dl all the packages then instal so if it gets intrupted during the dl it can continus where it left off without redownloading much (but 8 hours, that seems alot)
[19:39] <ForgeAus> howlymowly:  I aren't looking to use it but it'll be interesting, the biggest problem is likely to be the dependancies of ubuntuone...
[19:40] <James147> Scunizi: got vpn over pptp to work with knetworkamanger today :p
[19:40] <ForgeAus> probably downloads lots of gnome bits for it to work
[19:40] <cuznt> i thought as much but it is just as slow with the manager. i figured with no front end it might complete faster
[19:40] <Scunizi> James147: yea.. I've got pptp installed and pppd but I switched out knetworkmanager for WiCD because WiCD allowed me to set a static IP on my machine where knetworkmanager wouldn't
[19:41] <James147> cuznt: the download speed wont change much via command line or gui front end... command line is just faster from start to finish :)
[19:41] <howlymowly> ForgeAus: the great thing about Ubuntuone in my opinion is, that it hold sthe promise of free contacts/notes/mail sync across many desktops including mobile phone (I have an android device for example) without compromising "data monster" effects like with google, facebook apple etc...
[19:42] <James147> Scunizi: dont know how to vpn with wicd then :S havent really used it much
[19:42] <rogersman1> hey all, how can make a bootable usb install from iso if I'm currently running another flavour of linux?
[19:42] <rogersman1> usb-creator only for kubuntu
[19:43] <James147> rogersman1: unetbootin
[19:43] <GNU\colossus> is there no java-plugin package on lucid any more?
[19:43] <James147> !unetbootin | rogersman1
[19:43] <James147> !info unetbootin | rogersman1
[19:44] <rogersman1> nice, okay thanx guys!
[19:45] <madura> hey anyone here use compiz with kde window decorator?
[19:46] <ForgeAus> madura, why?
[19:46] <ForgeAus> emerald isn't it?
[19:46] <ForgeAus> I've used it before
[19:46] <sandipnair> hi everybody
[19:46] <ForgeAus> (or aquamarine perhaps)
[19:47] <madura> ForgeAus: does compiz 0.8.4 work well with the kde decorator?
[19:47] <cuznt> crap my update is locked is there a command to fix that please?
[19:47]  * cuznt is having issue day
[19:47] <ForgeAus> uh, not sure I can answer that question specifically...
[19:47] <ForgeAus> I don't see why it wouldn't
[19:47] <ForgeAus> which kde are you using?
[19:47] <sandipnair> can anybody help me with WengoPhone installation?
[19:47] <rogersman1> madura: I know what you mean and compiz is working on this issue...but not yet :-(
[19:47] <ForgeAus> because kde3 reqs a plugin for the panel and compiz really isn't necessary on kde4
[19:48] <madura> ForgeAus: KDE 4.4
[19:48] <rogersman1> 0.9 will support
[19:48] <James147> cuznt: close any packagemanagment system you ahve open (apt-get aptitude kpackagemanager)
[19:48] <madura> rogersman1: thanks, when will 0.9 come?
[19:48] <ForgeAus> you use (wm) -replace which reduces the functinality of the KDesktop because it replaces kwin
[19:49] <madura> kwin is ok but i prefer compiz
[19:49] <rogersman1> madura: hehe they hate that question! ... tho to be honest kde native effects are pretty good...sure you need compiz?
[19:49] <cuznt> i am trying to I get the error it can not get an exclusive lock. there is a command for that.
[19:50] <ForgeAus> not taht I don't like compiz but it sits ok wtih kde3 or gnome or some other window manger... but KDE4 has its own desktop effects, etc...
[19:50] <James147> cuznt: if you are sure no other packagmanament programs are running you can delte the lock file
[19:50] <James147> cuznt: (cant remember where it is, one sec)
[19:51] <madura> rogersman1: 1. i miss compiz :P 2. kwin doesnt have that reflex thing that we can attach a image and  give the reflection from that..etc
[19:52] <rogersman1> madura: yeah, i spent ages trying this whole emerald, aurora, etc trying to get kde and compiz to work harmoniously with no joy...either wait for 0.9 or stick with kwin IMHO
[19:53] <rogersman1> 0.9 is a complete reworking of compiz-fusion from the ground up...so might be a long while until stable
[19:53] <madura> rogersman1: yeap me too :P i even tried compiling 0.8.6 it loads up kde deco but theres a fat border :S
[19:54] <madura> on the mean time i want that reflex plugin for kwin lol
[19:54] <James147> cuznt: what was the full error message?
[19:55] <cuznt> Unable to get exclusive lock
[19:55] <cuznt> This usually means that another package management application (like apt-get or aptitude) is already running. Please close that application first.
[19:55] <rogersman1> madura: put in a feature request for kwin group if u like!
[19:56] <cuznt> i got it thanks james147
[19:56] <James147> cuznt: :)
[19:56] <madura> yeap i should put one on
[19:57] <ForgeAus> I've been thinking of a few feature requests, like mostly for transparent window decorators, stuff like animation and/or filter-based stuff say colour-cycling ...
[19:58] <ForgeAus> (or magnify)
[19:58] <rogersman1> madura: compiz projects looks pretty dead actually...web page hasn't been updated since Feb 2009! :-(
[19:59] <madura> rogersman1: yea free project suffer that kinda non working periods
[19:59] <madura> i think someone will make a patch or something in the future
[20:00] <ForgeAus> lol I was checking out XFCE, compiz on that is a strange concept!
[20:00] <madura> lol
[20:00] <madura> low end desktop high end bling!
[20:01] <ForgeAus> apparently XFCE has its own compositing anyway
[20:01] <madura> i havent used it often
[20:01] <ForgeAus> madura I could go lower... like say fluxbox + compiz?
[20:02] <madura> ForgeAus: :P just get the new KDE
[20:02] <moetunes> ForgeAus: flux and compiz are both wms - so you can't run both
[20:02] <ForgeAus> doesn't look like Canonical are going to take in the Fluxbuntu team as official anytime soon... oddly enough
[20:02] <ForgeAus> they seem to be looking to a LXDE (Lubuntu) and possibly an Enlightenment (e17) ubuntu (something like elbuntu)
[20:03] <ForgeAus> good point moetunes I should have known better :)
[20:03] <howlymowly> hi everyone..  does anyone here know of a nice file sync service for linux and android?
[20:07]  * James147 hopes he fixed grub
[20:08]  * James147 is glad he can finally boot into lucid on his desktop :D
[20:11] <zus> isnt KGpg installed  by default in 10.4?  if s where is it?
[20:12] <James147> zus: not seeing it here :s
[20:12] <zus> guess i got to install it then.
[20:12] <ADC> hey
[20:13] <ADC> does anyone have a problem by booting with the 2.6.32-21kernel
[20:13] <zus> James147,  well it says  i have it installed, i see an x but  a lot of options for pgp
[20:13] <ADC> because by talking with other people, it seams that the 32 instead of 21 (by auto update of kubuntu) doesn't show anymore the booting sequence
[20:14] <ADC> everything's hided and i'm getting crazy to find a way to fix that ^^
[20:15] <rogersman1> madura: you still around?
[20:15] <madura> rogersman1: yes
[20:15] <madura> rogersman1: got any updates?
[20:15] <rogersman1> just finishing chatting to sum developers over at #compiz who say the recent version of compiz has been fixed for KDE4 windows decorations!
[20:15] <madura> rogersman1: yay
[20:16] <James147> zus: try running "sudo aptitude isntall kgpg"
[20:16] <madura> rogersman1: so they are talking about 0.8.6
[20:16] <madura> repos only have 0.8.4
[20:16] <rogersman1> standby
[20:18] <zus> James147,  that would also take care of  pgp as well then ?
[20:18] <rogersman1> madura: http://releases.compiz.org/
[20:19] <madura> rogersman1: thanks!
[20:19] <James147> zus: not sure
[20:20] <madura> rogersman1: u use bespin?
[20:21] <rogersman1> madura: bespin?
[20:21] <madura> http://cloudcity.sourceforge.net
[20:21] <madura> rogersman1: ^^ there its a window style for KDE
[20:22] <madura> has all those transculent effects and all
[20:22] <James147> :) just started to install bespin
[20:22] <rogersman1> madura: new to me...I'll have a lookee
[20:23] <James147> rogersman1: it is in the repos (kde-style-bespin and kwin-style-bespin)
[20:23] <madura> rogersman1: yea thats old
[20:23] <madura> :P
[20:24] <rogersman1> actually, I'm not using kubuntu ... just came on the channel to ask about live USB install :-[
[20:24] <rogersman1> the compiz things piqued my curiosity
[20:25] <madura> rogersman1: ah :D
[20:26] <rogersman1> today's new release caught my eye, so I thought I'de give it a look
[20:26] <rogersman1> along with a lot of other people probably :-)
[20:27] <rogersman1> holy crap , there's a lot of things called bespin!
[20:27] <K350> Where is the "Shutdown button " in Lucid Lynx (KDE) Can't see it in the kmenu
[20:27] <daicon> hello
[20:28] <James147> K350: KMenu > leave tab > shutdown
[20:28] <daicon> someone can help me?
[20:28] <James147> K350: or Alt+F2 > Type: shutdown
[20:28] <James147> !help | daicon
[20:29] <K350> James147: Well,k it's not there...uh?
[20:29] <daicon> I finished installing Kubuntu. But when I wanted to upgrade through the implementation KPackageit, downloads are very slow, mucho.No have any problem with another distribution. Can you help?
[20:29] <James147> K350: you loged in through kdm right?
[20:30] <K350> James147: yess..well started x form the terminal
[20:30] <punto> hi.. which process handles alt+tab? it stopped working
[20:30] <James147> K350: if you are running it from terminal then the shutdown buttons arent availble
[20:31] <madura> rogersman1: i just installed kubuntu 10.04 :D
[20:31] <K350> James147: ah, well I'll try to restart from termnal and see if it's there ...thanks a lot:-)
[20:31] <James147> K350: think its because you need to be root to shutdown (and your running it from user) where if you run from kdm, kdm can shutdown for you (as it is running as root)
[20:31] <James147> :(
[20:32] <James147> daicon: a new release cam out yesterday so the servers are very bussy atm and probally will be over the next few days
[20:32] <James147> daicon: you can try to use a different mirror to see if the speeds are any better
[20:32] <James147> punto: I think kwin handels alt+tab
[20:34] <punto> James147: can I kill it without bringing down the whole session, like plasma-desktop?
[20:35] <rogersman1> madura: compiling new compiz version now...
[20:35] <daicon> James147 :As I can configure the repository to connect to another server?
[20:35] <madura> rogersman1: you have KDE to test that with?
[20:35] <James147> punto: you can kill it, but you wont easaly beable to do much without it you can try "killall kwin; sleep 1; kwin" from the runner to kill it and restart it
[20:35] <rogersman1> madura: yeah..4.4.2
[20:36] <James147> punto: i would make sure you have konsole running and inview firs tthough
[20:36] <madura> ow rytt :P
[20:36] <James147> punto: dont think you can bring krunner up again once its down :S
[20:37] <punto> James147: actually I brought it back from the text-mode console, but it still doesn't respond to alt+tab
[20:39] <ulysses> Hello, how can I change the default IM client from Kopete to KMess in Systemsettings?
[20:39] <daicon> James147: As I can configure the repository to connect to another server?
[20:39] <James147> punto: System settings > Keyboard & Mouse > Global keyboard settings > "Kde compoent >> Kwin" > Search: "Walk through windows"
[20:40] <James147> punto: see if the shorcut key got reassigned by soemthing ^^
[20:40] <madura> rogersman1: brb :) restarting
[20:41] <James147> daicon: Kpacakgekit > Settings tab > Edit software sources > Download from:
[20:42] <vadi01> guys any idea if nvidea driver is working ok in kubuntu?
[20:43] <James147> ulysses: System settings > Deafult Applications  :)
[20:44] <ulysses> James147: there isn't an option to choose KMess
[20:44] <James147> vadi01: it was in karmic for me, haven enabled them yet on lucid but the opensource ones seems to be working fine (even have dual screen support now :D )
[20:45] <James147> ulysses: not sure then sorry
[20:45] <ulysses> James147: I could choose an application, but only Kopete is in the list:(
[20:46] <exalt> wich programming ide is best in kubuntu to code c++?
[20:46] <James147> ulysses: dont use kmess so i dont know how to get it in the list :S
[20:46] <James147> !best | exalt
[20:46] <ulysses> James147: I'm also not, but someone asked me how can he does this thing
[20:47] <James147> exalt: but i tend to like qt creator or kdevleop
[20:47] <James147> exalt: or kate :)
[20:47] <James147> !ide | exalt
[20:47] <exalt> James147: i apriciate your reaction but please man... i dont know any ide so i cant do anything with your comment, ahh the thats some comment i can start with thanx
[20:48] <madura> rogersman1: whats the latest?
[20:49] <exalt> are the c++ plugins for netbeans available in netbeans?
[20:49] <rogersman1> madura: currently in dependancy hell...I hate building from source
[20:53] <user__> opera.com
[20:53] <madura> rogersman1: im having other troubles :S cant install ATI binary drivers
[20:53] <madura> can install but the compositing isnt working
[20:55] <manuel_> hi, my hoster recently moved, and now my 8.04 installation does not have any /dev/pty* devices anymore. how can i recreate them?
[20:56] <manuel_> screens fails to start and ends with:"Sorry could not find a pty"
[20:58] <rogersman1> madura: looks like this isn't going to be a smooth ride
[20:59] <madura> yea
[20:59] <swien> hi
[20:59] <madura> rogersman1: are u using the cmake tar files?
[21:00] <swien> Should kwin compisiting work with nouveau driver?
[21:00] <rogersman1> actually the pre-built packages are up in my current so I'm gonna upgrade my system
[21:00] <rogersman1> madura: but yes, thats where i started before
[21:00] <rogersman1> madura: should work fine if you had previous version running
[21:01] <rogersman1> if in doubt, head to #compiz ..they're pretty helpful :-D
[21:01] <madura> rogersman1: well now things are kinda worse :P i have to find a fix for ATI binary driver on ubuntu first
[21:01] <madura> rogersman1: k thanks
[21:02] <doleyb> Hello, does the kubuntu lucid crash less than karmic? (karm crashes plasma-desktop about every 15 minutes for me)
[21:03] <James147> doleyb: its a newer version so 'should' be more stable (ie crash less) but sometimes something can break and it get worst (although not as often)
[21:04] <James147> doleyb: I havent noticed many problem with instability in it yet, but it hasnt been out for very long :)
[21:06] <amichair> if I use nvidia drivers from their website on karmic, will I have problems in upgrade to lucid? release notes mention something vague about this, but not details
[21:06]  * rogersman1 away to the gym ... bbl
[21:07] <Sebas_> Installed 10.04 on eeepc 1000H but Wifi won't work... anyone ideas??
[21:07] <Sebas_> won't accept password..
[21:08] <Sebas_> such a downer
[21:08] <ryann> what kind of security is the access point using?
[21:08] <ryann> and what network manager are you using?
[21:08] <Sebas_> wpa
[21:08] <Sebas_> wpa2
[21:08] <Sebas_> default?
[21:08] <ryann> it worked previously?
[21:09] <Sebas_> yeah with 9.10
[21:09] <ryann> i've had my own problems using knetworkmanager, so i run wicd instead
[21:09] <Sebas_> wicd?
[21:09] <ryann> may be worth a shot for you as well, at least for troubleshooting
[21:09] <ryann> yea
[21:09] <ryann> are you able to get that machine online via ethernet?
[21:09] <Sebas_> yes
[21:09] <ryann> sudo apt-get install wicd
[21:10] <Sebas_> thanx will do now'
[21:10] <ryann> the install will remove the knetworkmanager and plasmoid
[21:10] <ryann> reboot, and the wicd client will run
[21:10] <ryann> service is /etc/init.d/wicd
[21:10] <boby> help?
[21:11] <boby> kubuntu freezes at boot
[21:11] <ryann> boby: you have any other information than that?
[21:11] <Sebas_> ryann: thanx i will reboot now :)
[21:11] <boby> no it is stack
[21:12] <boby> I red on net that the problem is some plymouth
[21:12] <ryann> stack?
[21:12] <boby> whatever it is
[21:12] <swien> @body does it stuck everytime you boot or just now?
[21:12] <ryann> you're not giving me anything close to enough information to help you with that
[21:12] <boby> stuck*
[21:12] <boby> ok...
[21:13] <n8w_> hey
[21:13] <boby> after install it freezes sometimes and sometimes offers me login
[21:13] <boby> and I choose during install to log in automaticaly
[21:13] <boby> in console I do : killall /etc/init.d/kdm
[21:13] <boby> and then startx
[21:13] <doleyb> amichair: I bet you would have problems at first, so its good to switch back to default nv drivers before the lucid upgrade.  Then you can install nvidia again.
[21:14] <boby> and tan it boots
[21:14] <boby> than*
[21:14] <boby> I have ati card
[21:14] <n8w_> do u guys think that my db2 local server installation will b affected by an upgrade to 10.4 from 9.10?
[21:15] <amichair> doleyb: so run the nvidia --uninstall (or something like that), reboot, upgrade, then run nvidia installer again? any idea what they meant by having problems using the upstream nvidia drivers in lucid?
[21:15] <swien> @boby could you upload you Xorg.0.log from /var/log when kdm does not start?
[21:15] <boby> then I need to go
[21:15] <boby> will you be here
[21:16] <swien> @body if it does't take too long ;-)
[21:16] <boby> ok back in minute
[21:17] <zus> how do one get ppa's from the  programs installed through the  cli and kpackagekit?
[21:17] <zus> i dotn have to visist  every programs site and get them do i?
[21:18] <jaime_> hi
[21:18] <swien> Is anybody using nouveau with kwin here?
[21:19] <jaime_> can help me?
[21:19] <zus> jaime just ask the question some one  might be able too
[21:19] <Sebas_> ryann: did the reboot wifi still not working.. wicd says bad password.. the same as knetworkmanager.. every time i install a new Kubuntu I have the same probs... :(
[21:19] <Sebas_> I really need this to work because tomorrow I will travel the world... so I need my netbook
[21:19] <boby> xorg.o.log is huge to paste it here
[21:20] <swien> @boby use pastebin or something like that
[21:20] <genii> !pastebin
[21:20] <zus> damn youse type fast hahaha
[21:20] <Sebas_> ryann: windows netbook does connect instantly
[21:21] <jaime_> when im trying to update to the new version of kubuntu, i have a 127 code
[21:21] <zus> now about them ppa's  i went and used the command line for getting kdenLive and stuff, but  the ppa is still for karmic.  am i going to have to get all the ppa's from each program i need it for ?
[21:22] <boby> how to use this pastebin?
[21:23] <swien> @boby you can just upload the file there and will get a short url
[21:23] <pidus> Does anybody know the keyboard shortcut to maximize a window (at least the terminal window) in kubuntu 9.10?
[21:25] <boby> nothing happends
[21:25] <boby> ok can I paste here part of xorg
[21:25] <boby> tell what to looking for
[21:26] <swien> Is there a line starting with EE?
[21:26] <zus> boby on the bottom there should be a button to submit
[21:26] <jaime_> im trying to update my kubuntu to lucide 10.04, but i cant because i have the 127 code
[21:27] <boby> yes when I pressed it askes me to do I want to transfer file and I say yes
[21:27] <boby> what ten
[21:27] <boby> then*
[21:27] <Neremor> hello!
[21:28] <zus> boby after you submit it then copy the url for the page
[21:30] <boby> I press submit, then I press ok when it askes me to transfer file, and then nothing happends
[21:31] <Neremor> I've installed kubuntu 10.04. When booting up, I got a black-screen, but i got rid of this through replacing "quit splash" in the boot entry with "nomodeset". Now I was able to boot, but I'm directly droped into tty1, X is not starting. There I don't have Internet also (simple ethernet-connection, should work automatically). VIa the netroot-shell in recovery mode i installed the nvidia-driver for my card. Now I'm able to start the X-Server via
[21:31] <boby> what to use for image?
[21:34] <boby> OK here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/425470/
[21:35] <boby> I also instaled restricted driver
[21:36] <swien> @body this is the log when you don't get a desktop?
[21:37] <pidus> Sigh! how much longer will I need to envy my Fedora using neighbor who is able to expand his terminal using kyboards while I look around for the mouse :-(
[21:38] <boby> ?
[21:39] <boby> ok what now?
[21:39] <exalt> kubuntu restricted extras wont install
[21:40] <exalt> is this commonly?
[21:40] <swien> @body the log does not show any error so X should be running. I'm not sure what could be wrong if X is running and kdm does not... How did you get this file?
[21:40] <boby> swien?
[21:41] <exalt> hund
[21:41] <boby> what do you mean?
[21:41] <pidus> Got it! it finally works.
[21:42] <swien> @body You started the computer. Then it either stuck or showed a desktop. Did you manually start X after it stuck?
[21:43] <swien> @boby before you grabbed the file?
[21:43] <boby> ok after boot (every time now happends) it offers me login
[21:43] <boby> after i type my user and pass
[21:43] <boby> it pffers me again login
[21:43] <James147> pidus: You can assign a shotcut key to windows so that they gain focuse and move to th frount when its pressed
[21:43] <boby> then I do console login
[21:44] <boby> and login succesefully
[21:44] <boby> do: killall kdm
[21:44] <boby> and then startx
[21:44] <James147> pidus: System settings > Window behaviour > Window spific
[21:44] <Henson_D> could someone help me with a dolphin problem I've been encountering for some time?  I'm not sure if it's a bug or just a misconfiguration.  In Dolphin's column view, you used to be able to navigate by typing in the first few characters of a directory and hitting enter to open it in the next column over.  This used to work in 4.1, now with 4.2 it will work only for descending one directory level...
[21:44] <boby> that's it
[21:44] <Henson_D> then further enter presses have no effect.
[21:44] <swien> @boby what happens if you do restart kdm? Are you able to login then?
[21:45] <boby> didn't try
[21:45] <Henson_D> oops, sorry I meant it used to work in 4.0 through 4.3, but now in 4.4 it doesn't work.
[21:45] <boby> should I do now?
[21:45] <swien> just run sud restart kdm
[21:45] <swien> sudo
[21:45] <boby> ok
[21:45] <pidus> James147: I was looking for a shortcut to maximize/minimize a windows. Could configure it at System Settings -> Keyboard & Mouse ->Global Keyboard Shortcuts->kwin->maximize window.
[21:45] <boby> be back in a minute
[21:46] <pidus> James147: though, what you suggest will also help :-) thanks for that.
[21:46] <James147> Henson_D: looks like a bug, getting the same behaviour here but noticed that if you move the mouse then press enter it works
[21:48] <Henson_D> James147: thanks for the confirmation.  I get the same behaviour here.  I can't believe this hasn't been fixed yet, it's been around for a long time and has persisted through many 4.4 updates.
[21:49] <boby> i'm back
[21:49] <Henson_D> James147: and I imagine it would drive anyone who uses column view mad :-)
[21:49] <James147> Henson_D: one quick question, what mouse focus policy do you use?
[21:49] <Henson_D> James147: ahh, very good question.  I use focus strictly under mouse.
[21:49] <swien> @boby wb
[21:49] <boby> after sudo restart kdm offers me again login screen and when I enter my pass it offers login again
[21:50] <boby> I kill kdm
[21:50] <boby> and startx
[21:50] <boby> and here I am
[21:50] <swien> @boby do you have any non standard pam-settings?
[21:50] <boby> what is that?\
[21:51] <James147> Henson_D: have focus follows mouse :) try changing it to the default one and try it
[21:51] <swien> @boby is the tool ubuntu uses to manage you logins. If you don't know what it is you probably did not break it
[21:53] <James147> Henson_D: nop, same behaviour with click to focus
[21:53] <boby> one more thing: when system is starting my kubuntu screen is in low resolution
[21:53] <boby> those blue screen with kubuntu sign
[21:53] <boby> image is corrupted
[21:53] <Henson_D> James147: yeah, I'm getting the same behaviour with all of the others.  Click to focus and Focus Follows Mouse seem worse in that you had to put the mouse pointer into the new column, instead of simply moving the mouse.
[21:54] <James147> Henson_D: Think you should submit a bug report :)
[21:54] <Henson_D> James147: will do :-)  Thanks for your assistance.
[21:55] <boby> it is shown in very low number of colors
[21:57] <boby> what now?
[21:59] <swien> @boby I've got no idea what could be wrong
[22:01] <g0th> hi
[22:02] <robinking623> anyone here who has the problem with Fn key to change the backlight under kde 4.4?
[22:02] <boby> ok conclusion: when booting I can't boot when it offers me login screen, then I need to do console login and from there kill ldm and startx. It is clean instalation of 64 bit kubuntu. And my system has ati video card
[22:02] <g0th> how do I create a custom application launcher on the kde panel?
[22:02] <boby> if this helps
[22:04] <jschall> i'm getting audio from amarok and kopete, but not from wow in wine or flash.
[22:05] <g0th> I just want to add another application to the panel, how do I do that?
[22:05] <g0th> It is not in the "official" list
[22:05] <robinking623> g0th: miniprogram unlock
[22:05] <g0th> hmm?
[22:05] <robinking623> g0th: then add miniprogram
[22:06] <Henson_D> jschall: what sound output method is wine or flash using?  Amarok and Kopete are probably using ALSA, but if Wine and Flash are using OSS then the audio device will be blocked by ALSA.
[22:06] <jschall> wine is using alsa and flash would be using alsa.
[22:06] <Henson_D> jschall: or perhaps your KDE audio system is using PulseAudio, in which case the same thing will happen.
[22:07] <jschall> no pulse.
[22:07] <Henson_D> jschall: hmmm, I don't have any more ideas, unfortunately.
[22:07] <g0th> robinking623: there is no package named miniprogram?
[22:07] <swien> @boby sry. I've got no idea what is wrong.
[22:08] <swien> bye
[22:08] <jschall> amarok and kopete have been running a while so i'm thinking it might be something stopping new programs from getting sound?
[22:08] <boby> ok thx anyway and sorry for my english
[22:08] <boby> bye
[22:08] <James147> g0th: Right click kmenu > edit menu (or run kmenuedit)  and you can create a launcher for the menu... after that you cna drag it from kmenu to the panel
[22:09] <howard> hi
[22:09] <Henson_D> jschall: is it only wine and flash that is affected?  Are you able to start another program that outputs sound?
[22:09] <g0th> ah so I first have to modify the menu before adding anything to the panel?
[22:09] <James147> g0th: its the easiest way i think
[22:09] <jschall> Henson_D: i can't think of another program
[22:10] <James147> g0th: althernitivly the widget "quick launcher" might be able to do it
[22:10] <g0th> thanks
[22:10] <jschall> dragon player works
[22:10] <Henson_D> mplayer, or aplay, or audacity?
[22:10] <g0th> hmm I didnt find quick laucher?
[22:10] <jschall> dolphin works
[22:10] <Henson_D> jschall: mplayer, or aplay, or audacity?
[22:11] <jschall> Henson_D: i can get audio apparently
[22:11] <James147> g0th: umm, quicklauncher seems to need a menu entry as well
[22:11] <jschall> Henson_D: just not in flash
[22:11] <jschall> Henson_D: or wow
[22:12] <James147> g0th: right click panel > panel settings > add widget > Type: quick
[22:13] <James147> jschall: not sure about wine but you could try purging flash and installing it from adobes site
[22:14] <Henson_D> jschall: open up a terminal and type        lsof -n | grep "/dev/snd/pcm"      and see what shows up.
[22:15] <jschall> dolphin
[22:15] <jschall> closed dolphin and nothing
[22:15] <g0th> there is just quick access and quick launch
[22:15] <g0th> hmm and I don't find the menu anywhere
[22:15] <Henson_D> jschall: it reports that dolphin is using your sound device?
[22:15] <g0th> I mean I added my program to the menu but I dont find this menu anywhere
[22:16] <jschall> Henson_D: dolphin   24877    jschall   25u      CHR              116,7       0t0     4028 /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p
[22:16] <jschall> Henson_D: then i closed dolphin and it went away but wow still doesn't work
[22:16] <James147> g0th: to edit the menu run "kmenuedit"  or right click kmenu and click edit menu
[22:16] <jschall> Henson_D: but wow is accessing it if i start it
[22:17] <Henson_D> well if you've closed dolphin, maybe you have to kill the dolphin process, because it seems as  though process 24877 is still using your sound device.
[22:17] <g0th> James147: I found this
[22:17] <g0th> James147: but I didn't find it to choose from in the panel
[22:17] <Henson_D> jschall: well if you've closed dolphin, maybe you have to kill the dolphin process, because it seems as  though process 24877 is still using your sound device.
[22:17] <jschall> npviewer also accesses it
[22:17] <g0th> I can just edit it but not actually choose the stuff I edited
[22:18] <phrozen> hello I have a problem I can make a ping via terminal eq. google.com, but when I am trying to open site at webbrowser then I can not - it is offline ... how can i solve it? I am connecting to internet via router
[22:18] <James147> g0th: drag it from kmenu to the panel
[22:18] <g0th> it is not in kmenu?
[22:18] <jschall> Henson_D: amarok also accesses it and works, but nothing else does.
[22:18] <James147> g0th: it should be if you added it using kmenuedit
[22:18] <g0th> hmm but a lot of stuff is not there
[22:18] <jschall> Henson_D: http://pastebin.com/4g6SH8hi
[22:18] <g0th> that is in kmenuedit
[22:19] <g0th> I must be in the wrong menu somehow
[22:19] <jschall> Henson_D: amarok is working, nothing else is.
[22:19] <g0th> and everything is extremely slow
[22:19] <g0th> whenever I update the system configuration it takes several minutes
[22:19] <g0th> on my core7 computer
[22:19] <g0th> and it already crashed several times
[22:19] <Henson_D> jschall: I don't know what to suggest.  Perhaps the volume level is down or mute is on.  It looks like wow is able to use your sound device, but why sound is not coming out, I am not sure.  Has sound worked in the past?
[22:19] <g0th> not the best experience so far ^^
[22:20] <James147> g0th: what version are you running?
[22:20] <jschall> Henson_D: you know, i'm not quite sure. i think it did.
[22:20] <g0th> lucid
[22:20] <jschall> Henson_D: it worked in ubuntu with pulse before i swapped to kubuntu
[22:20] <robinking623> g0th: my kubutu is really really stable
[22:21] <g0th> hmm now it restarts again from 0%
[22:21] <jschall> Henson_D: i'm pretty sure flash was working too
[22:21] <g0th> once it finnished it starts again from 0
[22:21] <g0th> already the third time now
[22:21] <James147> g0th: try disabling strigi (system settings > advanced > desktop search)
[22:21] <cjae> lucid fresh install anyone successfully have a tv set up via svideo without vertical hold loss?
[22:21] <jschall> Henson_D: i'll restart my computer and see if that fixes it, not that it'll keep it from coming back =/
[22:21] <Henson_D> jschall: so you just upgraded to kubuntu and now you're experiencing these problems?
[22:21] <g0th> the system is frozen at the moment
[22:21] <g0th> i cant do anything
[22:21] <jschall> Henson_D: yesterday i think i had it working in kubuntu
[22:21] <g0th> it just says "updating system configuration"
[22:21] <jschall> Henson_D: i'm restarting computer
[22:22] <Henson_D> jschall: ok
[22:22] <g0th> from 0% to 100% then again from 0% etc
[22:22] <robinking623> James147: i have forgoten to tell. i reinstall the my kubuntu, and the problem with usb is gone
[22:22] <g0th> I canceled it
[22:22] <James147> g0th: not sure why ti was doing that :S
[22:23] <g0th> javaws doesnt seem to be working either
[22:24] <g0th> what is the best jre?
[22:25] <g0th> there is gcj-4.4-jre and gcj-jre and openjdk-6-jre and default-jre
[22:25] <g0th> isn't there a "sun jre"?
[22:27] <James147> g0th: they removed (or moved) suns jre from the repos as they thourght openjdk was stable enough
[22:27] <cjae> anyone know why my bluetooth kb and mouse doesnt work in lucid
[22:28] <g0th> hmm
[22:28] <James147> g0th: think it might have gotten moved to teh partener repositories
[22:28] <g0th> couldn't this cause problems with certain applications?
[22:28] <g0th> but I also have the partner repo and I dont see it
[22:30] <Guest60880> is there a repo for kdevelop 3.5.x or is compiling the source the only possibility to get the stable kdevelop working in kubuntu 10.04 :<?
[22:30] <James147> g0th: yuo, its in the partener repos, jsut enabled them refreshed and its there
[22:30] <James147> Guest60880: I think kdevelop is in ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta
[22:31] <James147> Guest60880: ^^ thats the 3.9.x version sorry :
[22:32] <g0th> ok thanks
[22:32] <James147> Guest60880: 3.10.x even :)
[22:32] <Guest60880> :>
[22:33] <jschall> Henson_D: still doesn't work.
[22:33] <Henson_D> Guest60880: just add one of the older repositories, like jaunty, and install the 3.5.x version from there.  I've done it and it works.
[22:33] <cjae> anyone else have blutooth logitech devices working
[22:33] <Guest60880> hm i think the packetnames are the same - is a downgrade possible?
[22:34] <Henson_D> jschall: try completely removing pulseaudio from your computer (unless you need to use it).  When I first installed kubuntu I had a similar problem.  KDE was using pulse, so all of the KDE apps worked, but nothing else would.  Once I got rid of pulse KDE started using alsa and things worked again.
[22:34] <jschall> Henson_D: pulseaudio is not installed.
[22:35] <Henson_D> Guest60880: it should be.  If you add the other repository, refresh the packages, and take a look in aptitude, then you'll be able to select the older version.  Just de-install all of the 3.9.x packages first, then select the 3.5.x package and it will bring in all of the other 3.5.x dependencies.
[22:35] <jschall> Henson_D: pulseaudio:  Installed: (none)  Candidate: 1:0.9.22~0.9.21+stable-queue-32-g8478-0ubuntu14
[22:35] <Teknical> is there any way to install the nvidia driver without making my splash screen go ugly?
[22:35] <Henson_D> jschall: sorry, I don't know what else to suggest.
[22:36] <Teknical> should be more specific, is there any way to avoid the ugly splash screen bug with nvidia drivers on 10.04 fresh install
[22:37] <Henson_D> jschall: what if you exit KDE then start X using a failsafe mode.  That way none of the extra KDE things will use your soundcard.  Then try starting WOW and see what happens.
[22:37] <jschall> also my spash screen looks like this: http://challinger.net/photo.jpg
[22:38] <vadi01> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/551290
[22:38] <vadi01> is it already in updates?
[22:38] <Henson_D> jschall: haha, so does mine :-(
[22:38] <jschall> Henson_D: the splash screen has never displayed properly for me.
[22:38] <jschall> Henson_D: it always screws up in a different way
[22:38] <Henson_D> jschall: ahh, it used to work properly for me.  For some reason the colour depth or map must be wrong.
[22:39] <jschall> Henson_D: every release of ubuntu/kubuntu has had a messed up splash screen for me and they've all been different
[22:39] <Henson_D> jschall: hmm, my splash screens have always worked until 10.4
[22:39] <vadi01> so there seems to be a problem with the splash screen huh
[22:40] <Teknical> the screen going ugly is caused from the nvidia driver install, at least what i can tell from all the googling ive done
[22:40] <Teknical> i can confirm on this clean install my splash is still nice looking as on live cd, nvidia driver not installed yet
[22:40] <James147> Teknical: you mean the nvida logo screen?
[22:40] <Teknical> no, the kubuntu splash
[22:40] <vadi01> so has it been fixed when you run the update?
[22:40] <Teknical> this is a reported bug, google kubuntu 10.04 ugly splash
[22:41] <Teknical> fully updated last install then did nvidia drivers, then updates again .. still ugly splash
[22:41] <Henson_D> Teknical: if it's the boot screen, then it shouldn't be using the kernel's VGA driver.
[22:41] <James147> Teknical: does it happen for all spalsh screen or jsut the default one?
[22:41] <Teknical> default kubuntu splash, the blue with white dots
[22:41] <jschall> i don't care about the splash screen, but i want my flash audio to work =/
[22:41] <James147> Teknical: try other spalsh screen see if they work
[22:41] <vadi01> darn it means i cant install 10.04 now untill this one is fixed
[22:41] <Teknical> some fixes include modifying the grub settings, but they still dont look 100% right
[22:42] <vadi01> i cant believe why the developers missed this major bug
[22:43] <Teknical> before trying other splashes i was hoping to hear of some resolve before I put the nvidia driver in again
[22:43] <Henson_D> jschall: try starting X with a light-weight window manager, or the failsafe screen then starting WOW.  Maybe KDE is doing something that's causing the sound device not to work.
[22:43] <jschall> Henson_D: i don't know how to do that.
[22:44] <vadi01> Teknical: anyway when you updated maybe the update mirror did not receive the update yet
[22:44] <Henson_D> jschall: at the login screen, there should be a menu that allows you to select a different type of login.  One of the options should be "failsafe", which will give you only an xterm.  Just remember to switch it back to KDE when you're done, otherwise you'll get the failsafe login next time you try to log in.
[22:45] <Teknical> i tested my last install not more than an hour ago, to no avail with no updates
[22:45] <vadi01> try updating from from a server in the us
[22:45] <Teknical> it would be logical to assume that an hour later the problem still exists
[22:45] <jschall> Henson_D: brb
[22:45] <vadi01> Teknical: well means its not reached your server repo yet
[22:46] <jschall> Henson_D: failsafe fails.
[22:46] <jschall> Henson_D: very safely.
[22:46] <jschall> Henson_D: it flashes white and goes right back to the login
[22:47] <Teknical> was on a us server, trying main server
[22:47] <vadi01> Teknical: sorry its been commited but not released
[22:47] <faissal> hi there, just installed kubuntu 10.04, i wanna get rid of the kde cashew, anyone knows how to do it ??? please ?
[22:47] <Teknical> fix pending?
[22:48] <vadi01> Teknical: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+milestone/lucid-updates
[22:48] <vadi01> says Fix Committed
[22:48] <James147> faissal: I think there is an application of kde-apps.org that can do that
[22:48] <faissal> yjx mate
[22:48] <faissal> thx
[22:48] <vadi01> Teknical: should be in the updates-testing repos then
[22:49] <Henson_D> jschall: maybe try installing a window manager like "fvwm" and logging in using that.  I have to go for dinner now, so best of luck getting this straightened out.
[22:49] <K350> I've got a black screen after boot and after the bootsplash in Lucid Lynx. I ugraded from Karmic. Anyone?
[22:50] <DarkriftX> well, the upgrade didnt treat me very well
[22:50] <DarkriftX> video problems, apps crashing
[22:50] <DarkriftX> kicker panel size issues
[22:50] <Teknical> that fix is from Alessandro Ghersi and it replaces some files. I have tried this .. it makes the ugly splash go from bad to slightly better, the splash still shows up in likw 1024x786 rather than native res. this is more of a temporary workaround .. and not a great one
[22:51] <Teknical> it appears ive explored all my options for now
[22:51] <K350> DarkriftX: WElcome in the club
[22:51] <vadi01> Teknical: i think you better file a report then
[22:51]  * Henson_D chuckles
[22:53] <Teknical> thank you for your help and time though vadi01, looks like the end of the road for now. I know a few others still pushing this bug .. something will turn up
[22:54] <DarkriftX> I didnt know there was a club :(
[22:54] <DarkriftX> id have put off the upgrade
[22:55] <Teknical> clean install for best results imo, my laptop didnt like the upgrade .. but the clean install was fine
[22:55] <noor1> hello
[22:55] <Teknical> my only bug/issues at the moment are cosmentic
[22:55] <skierpage> Can anyone here still running 9.10 confirm a doc error for me? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LucidUpgrades/Kubuntu says you can upgrade to 10.04 from System Settings -> Add and Remove Software -> Software Update , but it DOESN'T offer the upgrade to me.
[22:55] <Teknical> cosmetic*
[22:55] <Martiini> #kubuntu-devel
[22:55] <faissal> damn cashew !!
[22:55] <noor1> how could i install kubuntu desktoop on ubuntu 9.04 and what size it need on har
[22:55] <noor1> ?
[22:55] <noor1> hard*
[22:56] <James147> skierpage: try refreshing the repos
[22:57] <skierpage> james147, so you tried the steps I gave and you got the upgrade offer?
[22:57] <James147> skierpage: it offered it to me when i was running karmic (although i did a fresh install... they tend to work better :)  )
[22:58] <James147> skierpage: i just updated the repos and got it, dident follow any steps :S
[22:58] <skierpage> james147, interesting.  I have the system tray upgrade offer icon and update-notifier-kde -u works, but Add and Remove Software doesn't.
[22:59] <James147> skierpage: did you click refesh on the updates page?
[23:01] <skierpage> james147 Oh yes, many times.  I get bug fix updates (some pg library yesterday, another tzdata today), but not the "Distribution upgrade available".
[23:01] <James147> skierpage: hmm... did you update all the package?
[23:01] <James147> skierpage: upgrade ^^
[23:02] <zus> i can not play .avi files with dragon player,... dvd worked fine but i have TOO many avi files,.. can some one help?
[23:02] <James147> zus: have you isntalled kubuntu-restricted-extras?
[23:03] <skierpage> james147, Ahh well, if it works for some people and the other options work for me, I'm not going to bother filing a bug.  Maybe it's something in my Settings > Edit Software Sources.  Thanks for checking.
[23:03] <zus> James147,  i have.
[23:04] <James147> zus: have you closed and restarted dragon player since you installed it?
[23:05] <zus> James147,  dragon player was already there, and i ve rebooted even
[23:05] <James147> zus: hmm... try installing kaffeine and see if that works
[23:06] <zus> James147,  one sec
[23:08] <skierpage> Full Upgrade to 10.04, here we come!
[23:08] <James147> skierpage: good luck :)
[23:10] <skierpage> (I used usb-creator-kde to make a live USB of kubuntu-10.04-desktop-amd64.iso to confirm it runs and my Firefox and Thunderbird pre-releases work)
[23:10] <zus> James147,  same  problem, audio plays but video is not, in fact the screen is not there i see my desktop but i see the window frame its self
[23:10] <K350> where do one install drivers in  kubuntu lucid?
[23:10] <James147> K350: drivers for what?
[23:11] <James147> zus: not sure why its doing that... you could try purging and reinstalling kubuntu-restricted-extras (or maby just ffmpeg)
[23:12] <K350> James147: graphic-vard
[23:12] <zus> ok ill have a look into that  then
[23:13] <James147> K350: jockey-kde  should be able to install graphics drivers (at least for nvida and probally ati)
[23:13] <K350> James147: Ah, thanks a lot, Really appruciated:-)
[23:14] <K350> James147: well no rutins found...ah..well........
[23:15] <skierpage> Does the 10.04 upgrade log what it does?  It's listing 1400 packages to remove/install/upgrade, I need to save that but I can't select the entire list :-(
[23:21] <das> Does Gnash work ?
[23:22] <wtfplymouth> i think i can stop the torrent now transmission says 32.93 share ratio for ubuntu-10.04-desktop-i386.iso
[23:22] <wtfplymouth> :)
[23:22] <das> wtfplymouth: check mb
[23:23] <das> wtfplymouth: and d ont forget md5 sum
[23:23] <wtfplymouth> a little bit over 22 gb ;)
[23:24] <James147> das: dosent the torrent client do a m5d sum check anyway?
[23:25] <das> James147: not sure i usually check anyway
[23:25] <James147> wtfplymouth: :) i am barly getting to a ration of 1, although ktorrent says there are 56 seeds and no peers
[23:25] <unholyskorn> Hello everyone
[23:25] <unholyskorn> I installed ATi drivers from thier website and restarted and I don't think it is working.  Can someone help me?
[23:25] <das> anyone ever use gnash succesfully?
[23:27] <unholyskorn> No one? hmmm :(
[23:27] <das> unholyskorn: check hardware drivers and see if any proprietary drivers are active
[23:27] <unholyskorn> How do I do that?
[23:27] <unholyskorn> I typed in aticonfig --initial -f in terminal and it says no adapters found or whatever
[23:28] <unholyskorn> No supported adapters found
[23:28] <James147> unholyskorn: run jockey-kde  and see if there are any drivers listed in there
[23:28] <das> unholyskorn: k-menu/applications/system/hardware drivers
[23:29] <James147> unholyskorn: (jockey-kde == "Hardware drivers")
[23:29] <unholyskorn> No proprietary drivers on this system
[23:30] <unholyskorn> I installed the ati drivers fine, and restarted, but when i run ccc:le it asks for my sudo pass and then just disappears
[23:30] <das> unholyskorn: havent had much luck with ati on linux but it does work and they are getting better
[23:30] <unholyskorn> ati-driver-installer-10-4-x86.x86_64.run was what I installed
[23:30] <unholyskorn> I have a ATi X800XT
[23:31] <logicode> Hi there, I'm having troubles trying to play audio using VLC, I'm running Kubuntu 10.04
[23:31] <logicode> anyone?
[23:32] <unholyskorn> Any ideas das or James147?
[23:32] <James147> unholyskorn: sorry, never used ati cards before :p
[23:32] <unholyskorn> arrg
[23:33] <unholyskorn> Is having no proprietary drivers on the system a good thing or a bad thing?
[23:33] <unholyskorn> the ati install said everything installed ok
[23:37] <skierpage> logicode, vlc works for me.  I'm not sure what it uses for audio output by default, I don't think it uses System Settings >Multimedia
[23:37] <unholyskorn> This is incredible, having issues just installing a damn display driver...
[23:38] <skierpage> logicode, If I start vlc from the command line (vlc /usr/share/sounds/k3b_success1.wav) it prints some errors about pulseaudio (which isn't set up by default), but plays fine.
[23:40] <coreberserker> Hello all
[23:40] <vbgunz> anybody know how to enable desktop effects using nvidia-current on 10.04? the driver is working fine but not when it comes to effects.
[23:41] <coreberserker> Can someone tell me how to get my other partitions to mount with out asking for the password everytime. And I'm running Kubuntu 10.04
[23:42] <skierpage> What's the name of the 10.04 upgrade program for the purpose of filing bugs?  It's running "python /tmp/tmpipXc12/lucid" but that's not it ;-)
[23:43] <coreberserker> Can anyone tell me how?
[23:44] <vbgunz> gonna try restarting
[23:44] <skierpage> coreberserker, I'm no expert but the file /etc/fstab lists what partitions should get mounted.  You could as root edit that file and add an entry to it.
[23:44] <James147> coreberserker: just noticed that :S seems to only be on internal drives (well at least not usb flash drives)
[23:45] <coreberserker> Right
[23:45] <len_> If you do an upgrade to 10.04 on a 9.04 system using grub legacy will it convert it to grub 2?  9.04 changed to grub 2 for new installs, but kept grub legacy for upgrades.
[23:45] <James147> coreberserker: if it is an internal drive you want to mount i would suggest what skierpage said and add it to /etc/fstab
[23:46] <unholyskorn> Anyone know how to get ATi drivers to work?
[23:46] <skierpage> coreberserker , what partition are you trying to add?  E.g. the program ntfs-config has some way of adding a Windows NTFS partition.  There might be other UIs.
[23:47] <vbgunz> my desktop effects have been disabled and I cannot enable them. I have nvidia-current. am I missing something?
[23:48] <coreberserker> skierpage , its an NTFS partiton, but it mounts just fine, It just asks for a password to mount it every time but didn't ask for a password in 9.10
[23:48] <skierpage> BTW, to answer my own question it looks like the 10.04 program is dist-upgrade and it writes out a lot of info in /var/log/dist-upgrade.
[23:48] <James147> coreberserker: I would add an entry to /etc/fstab to auto mount it (or to not automount ir but allow user to)
[23:49] <vistakiller> anyone else have problems with suspend?
[23:49] <unholyskorn> Anyone know how to get ATi drivers to work?
[23:49] <panix_> how do i uninstall dolphin ?
[23:49] <skierpage> coreberserker maybe I'll run into that when I complete 10.04.  The line that ntfs-config adds to /etc/fstab looks something like "/dev/sda1 /media/WindowsCdrive ntfs-3g defaults,locale=en_US.UTF-8 0 0"
[23:50] <James147> panix_: sudo aptitude remove dolphin   not sure what depends on it though
[23:50] <panix_> i hate dolphin
[23:50] <panix_> why cant i have konquere like the good old days
[23:50] <unholyskorn> I hate this POS operating system that I can't even install video drivers on...
[23:50] <skierpage> coreberserker , try running `sudo ntfs-config` first, and back up /etc/fstab
[23:51] <panix_> what ATI card do you have ?
[23:51] <unholyskorn> X800 XT
[23:51] <panix_> they dont like proprietary drivers because it screws up theyr spyware
[23:52] <unholyskorn> So if you own an ati card you cant use kubuntu?
[23:52] <panix_> you cant install the driver from AMD ?
[23:52] <unholyskorn> That is what I did
[23:52] <unholyskorn> installs fine, restart and it's not working
[23:52] <unholyskorn> run the ccc program, asks for a password and then just exits
[23:53] <panix_> i bet it works fine with deabian stable
[23:53] <panix_> debian stable
[23:53] <vadi01> Teknical: u there?
[23:53] <unholyskorn> run aticonfig and it says no adapters are installed
[23:53] <skierpage> unholyskorn, I use the default free ati drivers (ati_drv.so, radeon_drv.so) from Ubuntu 9.10 and they work fine.  To see what your system is using, search for '.drv' in /var/log/Xorg.0.log.  I assume you rebooted.
[23:53] <panix_> i bet it works like charm
[23:53] <skierpage> cheers all.
[23:53] <vadi01> Teknical: any news on your nvidiea?
[23:55] <Teknical> nothing
[23:55] <Teknical> been googling, still havnt installed the driver
[23:55] <panix_> unholyskorn, you need to run lmod
[23:56] <unholyskorn> ?
[23:56] <panix_> lsmod ?
[23:56] <panix_> modprobe to see if the module is installed
[23:56] <vbgunz> my desktop effects in 9.10 worked great. Now in 10.04 I can't even enable them. I downloaded nvidia-current. whats missing? will it help I get this message in the glx dialog of nvidia-settings "Fail to query the GLX server vendor."
[23:57] <panix_> they are trying to piss of the gamers i know the linux comunty
[23:57] <markit> I've a kubuntu 10.04 alpha3 that recognizes automatically my 1920x1080 screen, while last kubuntu does not :( xrandr does not show that resolution either. 9.10 does either. Is it a known issue? Did they broke somehting?
[23:57] <unholyskorn> This kubuntu is a pos
[23:57] <panix_> you cant have fun with games anything other then bashing at promp is forbiden
[23:58] <panix_> i think the proprietary driver dont like the aimbots work so good
[23:58] <panix_> whats a pos ?
[23:58] <unholyskorn> Ok, skierpage i looked in xorg.0.log and it has a whole bunch of crap about ati
[23:59] <panix_> pile of sith :)
[23:59] <coreberserker_> Thanks skierpage and James147 but I figured it out =]