[02:37] <wolfant> hi?
[02:37] <persia> hey
[02:39] <wolfant> someone has installed 10.4 on an n900?
[02:40] <persia> I heard a bunch of folks announce they were going to do that.  I've not heard thay anyone did.  It *should* work, as long as you use Nokia's kernel, but no guarantees.
[02:42] <wolfant> I'll try and see what happens
[02:43] <persia> Good lcuk!
[02:44] <wolfant> thanks
[06:47] <orbarron|nb> not sure if you anyone can help... but is there a way to switch from ubuntu to UNR easy? I would also like to switch back to ubuntu as well...
[06:49] <persia> Different environments should be selectable as different sessions in the session manager.
[06:49] <persia> If they aren't, you may want to install more packages: for example, install "ubuntu-desktop" to get a desktop.
[06:56] <orbarron|nb> ahh found it.. thanks
[07:18] <Amit_Karpe> When will lucid-armel-omap will released ??
[07:19] <persia> about 12 hours ago.
[07:19] <persia> But it's not an official release, just frozen snapshot images.
[07:19]  * persia hunts a URL
[07:20] <persia> Which flavour did you want?
[07:21] <Amit_Karpe> Are you talking about this URL ??  http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/
[07:21] <Amit_Karpe> I want to test all :)
[07:21] <Amit_Karpe> u* or k* -- netbook
[07:21] <persia> Hrm.  Seems the images didn't get copied.
[07:22] <Amit_Karpe> Given site is down saying --> "The connection was reset"
[07:23] <persia> I suspect they need test reports and prompting of someone.  You can grab the "prerelease" images at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu-netbook/ports/daily-live/current/lucid-netbook-armel+omap.img
[07:23] <persia> Yeah, the server is *swamped* with people downloading it.
[07:24] <persia> Well, that and all the other images that are on cdimage instead of releases.ubuntu.com
[07:24] <persia> It should work if you're patient.  Alternately, wait a couple days for the excitement to calm down (although that's not as much fun)
[07:24] <ogra> persia, ports werent published yet
[07:24] <persia> ogra: Why not?
[07:24] <ogra> should happen soon
[07:25] <persia> ogra: imx51/dove netbook was published.
[07:25] <persia> http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[07:25] <ogra> yes, they are on releases.u.c
[07:26] <ogra> everything that stays on cdimage.u.c wasnt published under thge release directories
[07:26] <persia> Aha!  And now it all makes sense.
[07:27] <persia> Amit_Karpe: My apologies: instead of "About 12 hours ago", I should have said "Real Soon Now".
[07:27] <persia> Note that there is no specific time involved in "Real Soon Now", but it oughtn't be that long.
[07:27] <persia> (mostly a matter of copying files to the right places at this point, I believe)
[07:29] <suihkulokki> boohoo, LP #446552 was not fixed in lucid
[07:29] <ubot4> Launchpad bug 446552 in update-manager (Ubuntu Karmic) (and 3 other projects) "url_downloadable ignores proxy settings (affects: 24) (dups: 2) (heat: 138)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/446552
[07:31] <persia> It wasn't?  It says it was.
[07:32] <Amit_Karpe> persia: Thank You. Lets wait till "Real Soon Now".
[07:32] <persia> Amit_Karpe: If you like.  I'm absolutely sure the images will be bit-identical when someone gets around to copying them.
[07:32] <suihkulokki> persia: I still see it contacting without talking to the proxy and the buggy code is using httplib is still there
[07:32] <persia> suihkulokki: Please reopen the lucid task on the bug with documentation of your results.  It shouldn't do that.
[07:35] <Amit_Karpe> As of now I am playing with Prebuil Lucid image. I am able to run that on BB.
[07:35] <Amit_Karpe> And  I am going to install netbook-launcher.
[07:36] <ogra> install netbook-launcher-efl rather :)
[07:36] <Amit_Karpe> I had completed installation
[07:36] <persia> If you already have an image, you can upgrade to final with `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade`
[07:36] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[07:36] <Amit_Karpe> great.
[07:37] <persia> No point downloading *another* image and doing the installation again.
[07:37] <ogra> or do-release-upgrade :)
[07:37] <persia> ogra: Does that work from milestone to final?
[07:37] <Amit_Karpe> Let me try netbook-launcher and then I will update you my results
[07:37] <ogra> should
[07:37]  * persia has only done do-release-upgrade to get from one release to the next
[07:41] <Amit_Karpe> netbook-launcher required any gdm or lxdm ??
[07:42] <ogra> yes
[07:42] <ogra> also dont install netbook-launcher you want netbook-launcher-efl
[07:42] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[07:43] <Amit_Karpe> then now should remove  netbook-launcher and install  netbook-launcher-efl ??
[07:43] <Amit_Karpe> while running  netbook-launcher I got this error -->  http://pastebin.com/ZgjbWzJR
[07:45] <ogra> cannot open display means you have no X running
[07:45] <ogra> install gdm first
[07:45] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[07:52] <Amit_Karpe> ogra: Should I install lxdm instead of gdm ? I think lxdm is very light ?
[07:52] <ogra> no idea, i have never used lxdm
[07:53] <ogra> you surely could though
[07:53] <Amit_Karpe> or xdm ?
[07:53] <Amit_Karpe> ok
[08:31] <hrw> morning
[09:32] <slips> hi
[09:33] <slips> anyone tried building a lucid rootfs in rootstock and succeeded booting it in qemu?
[09:36] <slips> I keep getting an error during boot saying "ureadahead main process (275) terminated with status 5", then the screen goes black after a few seconds.
[09:36] <slips> I think plymouth has something to do with it...
[09:36] <hrw> let me fetch proper kernel
[09:38] <hrw> booting
[09:39] <ogra_cmpc> slips, status 5 is fine it just tells you it wont profile your disk
[09:42] <slips> hmm
[09:42] <slips> ok, then ureadahead is not part of the problem.
[09:42] <ogra_cmpc> right
[09:43] <ogra_cmpc> do you use any console= option on your cmdline ?
[09:43] <slips> i've tried a few. tty0, ttyAMA0,baud etc.
[09:43] <ogra_cmpc> that will make plymouth switch off the splash
[09:44] <ogra_cmpc> might cause the black screen you get
[09:45] <slips> ah
[09:45] <lool> morning hrw
[09:45] <lool> well morning all :)
[09:46] <ogra_cmpc> morning lool
[09:48] <slips> so it might not be plymouth either..
[09:49] <slips> strange this is that after the screen turns black, there's never any more output
[09:49] <slips> however, if I boot into runlevel 1, i get the console
[09:52] <DanaG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coyol_wine
[09:52] <DanaG> er
[09:52] <DanaG> wrong tab
[09:52] <DanaG> sorry, off-topic for here.
[09:58] <hrw> slips: black console here too
[09:59] <hrw> booting with console on stdio
[10:01] <hrw> with "console=ttyAMA0" and "-serial stdio" it boots properly to text console (my image does not have x11)
[10:04] <slips> nice
[10:04] <slips> that actually worked.
[10:05] <slips> thanks
[10:06] <hrw> add "quiet" instead
[10:06] <hrw> should also make plymouth happy
[10:06] <slips> i'll try
[10:10] <slips> worked like a charm.
[10:11] <hrw> cool
[10:13] <siji> mike^ u there
[10:28] <dmart> lool: hi there
[10:31] <dmart> asac: hi
[10:35] <dmart> apw: lool suggested to me that you know something about the packaging of the userspace perf tools--- do you have a moment to look at a blueprint draft?
[10:38] <lool> hey Dave
[10:38] <dmart> lool: hi, I thought everyone must be hung over / having a lie in / travelling ;)
[10:38] <asac> hi dmart
[10:39] <amitk> dmart: its back to work on maverick :)
[10:39]  * dmart seems to have woken everyone up
[10:39] <asac> right. thats the pace of ubuntu ;) ... no rest
[10:39]  * amitk is taking next week off
[10:40] <asac> lagger :-P
[10:40] <dmart> lool: Will had an initial stab at the profiling blueprint--- mind taking a look?
[10:40] <dmart> (Will = wildea01)
[10:40] <wildea01> hello
[10:46] <lool> dmart: sure
[10:47] <dmart> It would be good if someone from your end can add comments on the tool packaging and profiling frontends currently in use, would apw be the right person?
[10:47] <apw> dmart, i've packaged the kernel perf tool as its kernel version locked
[10:47] <lool> wildea01: heya
[10:48] <wildea01> lool: hi
[10:48] <wildea01> apw: currently it's only packaged for x86/amd64 afaict
[10:48] <lool> apw: So dmart is looking in what would need to happen to have it on armel as well I guess
[10:48] <apw> its not packages for armel cause its not supported on arm
[10:48] <apw> iirc
[10:48] <lool> apw: Also, there might be some kernel patches needed to get it working there
[10:48] <lool> yeah
[10:49] <wildea01> the patches are in 2.6.33 I think
[10:49] <apw> so likely we can enable it for M then
[10:50] <dmart> that's what the blueprint is about :)
[10:50] <dmart> apw: would you mind having a quick look at the current draft to see if there's anything you would add?
[10:50] <apw> url ?
[10:51] <wildea01> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Specs/M/ARMDebuggingWithOprofileAndPerf
[10:51] <wildea01> I only just wrote it, so feel free to change it :)
[10:53] <lool> apw: Is the change to packaging a 2 minutes job that we just need to ping you about, or will you want patches?
[10:54] <apw> if this is already enableable in 2.6.34 then its a bit flip pretty much
[10:56] <apw> wildea01, the spec looks fine for a draft, i suspect the kernel work is a slam dunk but best to list it in case it isn't
[10:57] <wildea01> apw: okey doke, thanks
[10:59] <dmart> lool, apw: are there frontend tools in place for perf yet?
[10:59] <lool> dmart: You mean graphical?
[10:59] <lool> dmart: there are commandline frontends
[10:59] <lool> the perf command in the perf-`uname -r` packages
[10:59] <lool> well the linux-tools-xxx rather
[10:59] <dmart> If there were gui frontends already available for other arches, we would want to ensure arm has them too
[11:00] <wildea01> lool: the only visual one I could see is perf timechart, and I didn't quite understand what I was looking at :)
[11:00] <apw> lool, right in linux-tools
[11:01] <Amit_Karpe> ogra, persia : Thanks a lot you help. Please check snap of my running netbook-launcher-elf http://amitkarpe.posterous.com/ and video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfdetzHGEcc
[11:01] <lool> wildea01: The spec looks ok, but keep the summary to a couple of sentences describing the goal e.g. "Providing perf and oprofile support for ARM"; move the list of work items to the Implementation section
[11:01] <lool> wildea01: But that's already more than you need for UDS, looks good!
[11:02] <wildea01> lool: thanks, I'll shift some of the summary down to the implementation
[11:03] <dmart> lool, apw, wildea01: ok, sounds like we have a blueprint.  Thanks for the help, guys
[11:10] <ogra_cmpc> Amit_Karpe, the images were moved, i updated the link on the wiki a while ago
[11:11] <ogra_cmpc> (and renames to the proper release names)
[11:11] <ogra_cmpc> *renamed
[11:11] <Amit_Karpe> thx.
[11:12] <Amit_Karpe> Should do it again or just `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` ?
[11:13] <Amit_Karpe> or or do-release-upgrade  ??
[11:13] <ogra_cmpc> i meant that your blog entry points to the daily images
[11:13] <Amit_Karpe> k
[11:13] <ogra_cmpc> your system should be up to date :)
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> the netbook image is now at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/releases/lucid/release/
[11:14] <ogra_cmpc> called buntu-10.04-netbook-armel+omap.img
[11:14] <Amit_Karpe> ok, I will update it.
[12:07]  * ogra_cmpc sighs
[12:08] <ogra_cmpc> netbook-launcher-efl pulls in half of gnome
[12:08]  * ogra_cmpc doesnt get why
[12:13] <ogra_cmpc> oh, silly recommends
[14:21] <langabe> Hi, trying to launch a rootstock built karmic rootfs with ubuntu-desktop seed but init stops with -- udevd[570]: failed to create queue file: No space left on device --, any ideas?
[14:26] <ogra> did you pick a proper imagesize in the options ?
[14:26] <ogra> oh, to slow :P
[15:46] <apw> ogra, yo ... does lsusb work on your arm platforms
[15:56] <hrw> apw: why it should not?
[15:57] <apw> have a machine here where it is not, but i think we have it nailed
[15:59] <hrw> works for me on beagleboard
[16:00] <hrw> worked for me on many other arm devices too
[16:05] <ogra> apw, usually works
[16:07] <ogra> asac, so my minimal system running X, fbpanel, metacity, xterm and efl launcher consumes 27MB according to htop
[16:07] <ogra> though its indeed very limited in functionality
[16:09] <amitk> ogra: on beagle?
[16:09] <ogra> yes
[16:10] <amitk> nice, I would be interested in that as dev environ. Do you have a seed?
[16:10] <ogra> i started off bootstrapping a minbase chroot and then only installed very few bits
[16:10] <ogra> no, but i can roll a tarball over the weekend
[16:11] <ogra> there is a ton of stuff thats still broken i surely miss a lot of bits
[16:12] <ogra> the complete system uses only 515M on disk currently
[16:12] <ogra> so i should be able to tar that to 2-300
[16:15] <amitk> ogra: just a package list would be great on the minimal chroot
[16:16] <amitk> no pressure though, after UDS is just fine :)
[16:16] <ogra> oh, right, you are gone next week anyway :)
[16:16] <ogra> i'll have something for you by uds for sure ...
[16:26] <hrw> ~curse loop device
[16:29] <ogra> ?
[16:31] <hrw> I got out of loop devices again
[16:32] <hrw> vm-builder uses loop devices and if it break then I need to umount that by hand
[16:32] <ogra> hrw, help me inplement my spec then :)
[16:32] <ogra> yeah
[16:32] <hrw> ogra: url to it?
[16:32] <ogra> <-- not a big fan of the bloated vm-builder
[16:32] <ogra> hrw, https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-arm/+spec/userspace-loop-mounting
[16:33] <hrw> ogra: fuse do not have isofs?
[16:33] <ogra> my initial goal was to hev rootstock not require root
[16:33] <ogra> fuse might have iso but nothing for loop
[16:34] <ogra> i want to be able to loop mount in my homedir without sudo/root
[16:34] <ogra> and even preferably without using a loop device :)
[16:34] <ogra> (not sure thats possible but i didnt start researching yet)
[16:35] <ogra> nbd could once do that, if you had started the nbd-server as a user you could mount an image as the same user
[16:35] <ogra> but sadly since it got deeper integrated in the kernel it has the same constraints as loop mounting